1 Love the cat, Monty

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

3 Okay, I'm still on the Perry Train, but now I really feel supporting him is like when I buy a lottery ticket- There's only the most miniscule of chances I'll win, but I certainly won't win if I don't play.

That was painful to watch on the news last night.

4 I'm gearing up for a major amateur prospecting expedition today. If the Doom comes I want my own source of gold (actually semi-precious gems, but still). Going to have free reign on a privately owned property all day. Big creek that hasn't been prospected in over a century, as well as a few acres of woods that have never, ever, been cleared. I've found bits of beryl and corundum in test buckets I've pulled out over the last month, so there is the real potential to find something worthwhile. Bonus, today I'll have a helper so I can bring back a crapload more material than usual to exsamine at home.

5 the president is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure amen allen

6 i didn't see the debate and didn't listen to it either.....too busy with driving one to and from baseball, the other to and from band, making deliveries, trying to have a sit down meal as opposed to grab and go from a drive thru....and negotiating the shut down freeway and helping a wayward truck driver who thought he could buy pass the traffic mess by driving on a dirt road thru the reservation......

7 I think the problem investors have with Italy is the same one they have with Spain, Portugal, and Greece: there are no prospects for GDP growth, and thus little hope of paying off the debt.

But have you seen the yields their bonds are paying?  My clients and I are all going to be rich !!1!

8 Robert Reich's Corporate Pledge of Allegiance- Real World Version:

"We Pledge to run our businesses into the ground to make Robert Reich fell better."

9 Stick a needle in Perry, he's toast!

10 every time i see a coyote i think of perry....and see a pack a day at least....so i think of perry a lot

11 Rick Perry is a stuttering clusterfark of a mentally impaired failure, but he's still better than Romney.

12 i didn't see the debate and didn't listen to it either

I only saw the one clip on the news- so maybe the rest of his performance made up for it (based on past experience, though, I'm not holding out much hope).  It was seriously, seriously painful.  I'm sure one of the anti-Perry's on the blog will take great delight in expounding upon it in great detail.

13

Just wanted to mention my informal unscientific poll of my conservative leaning coworkers:

Not a one gives a shit about the Perry flub. In fact after I showed the clip, the women folk even feel bad for him that people would pile on after what they seem to think wasn't that big a deal.

14 Democrats walk away from the Super Committee. It is a BS show pony, it was designed by the dems to be a BS show pony and that is all it will be. I can't believe the GOP leadership bought into this. I am beyond pissed at Mayor McCheese and Boner. They have one job. Put the brakes on SCOAMF until the next election. They are FKN that up too.

15 It sounds like they need two euros -- good euro and meh euro. Then let the exchange value float. Since not one of the PIIGS will join meh voluntarily, leave them no choice. This preserves much of the fiscal union. Until meh euros are looked upon like Confederate dollars.
 
But like honey badger, I really don't give a shit.

16 how old is Perry?? maybe it's early dementia.  I got it too, but that's because o' booze.

17 And now, I actually have to work (hey, it happens sometimes) so I probably won't be commenting as much as I usually do today.

18

Speaking of Doom - Perry doomed himself.

19 I feel bad for Perry b/c I'm like that a lot of the time! I just blank out and sputter . . .

20 I do wish one of the prospective Republican candidates would speak out about the Gibson guitar scandal.

Hell, I wish Congress would slam the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure for persecuting a company beyond any reason of legal justification, but that's asking too much.

21 Not a one gives a shit about the Perry flub.

Hope so, the RINO on the radio out here (Jeff Bolton) was fapping with glee all morning.

22

I don't remember which countries were doomed.  Herman, a little help please?

...

...

...

Oh year, Germany, that's what I was trying to say earlier.

23

Truer words have not been spoken:

"Democrats will die on the entitlement hill -- to the extent that the Democrat Party is about anything, it is about the continuation and growth of the welfare state."

24 I wish they'd let me do the debate prep. But then again, having your candidate visibly cringing when he's asked a question probably isn't good.

25 dagny that was me in school..........don't pick me......

26

@ 13 Not a one gives a shit about the Perry flub.

 Not surprising.  At this point, Perry is pretty much already a has been, so there's it's not like he can hurt himself to make his situation much worse.

27 For the first I've ever seen, Mitt looked like shit last night.  I saw someone on NRO suggest it was the lighting?  Who knows.  Bachmann on the other hand looked really good.  Crazy.

Re: Perry, what can you say, except that he's probably "more done" than he was before.  He's still the best we've got IMO, but he almost certainly isn't going to get the nod.  Likely to get smoked early on in fact.  Oh well, I'll hang with him as long as he's in though, you never know.

28

We're going to nominate Mitt Romney everyone. Just come to terms with it.

I really hope networks and websites don't overlook how much of an ass  Jim Cramer is and how inappropriate it was for CNBC to have him there.

I couldn't believe that he continued his schtick during the debate.

29 So is Berlusconi going to move back in with his mother? It would make it rather awkward as far as the teenage mistresses go... Like I said last night, not a good week for Italian males.

30 I really like Perry, and would love to see him pull this out, but the MFM will have a field day with him, especially now.  He'll be made out to be a bigger fool and bumbler than the result of merging Ford, Quale, and Bush's DNA.  It's a shame.  I think he's the most capable of the bunch and have no doubt that he'd be able to execute.  Looks like Newt's the only viable anti-Romney candidate now.  I was far from impressed with Cain's answers last night.  He's a good speaker, but doesn't have a clue.  It's a shame that so much rides on prose and posture.

31

Some people on the LiveStream last night were suggesting an AoSHQ hosted debate.

As fun as that debate would be, in the aftermath there'd be nothing left but a heap of battered, weeping candidates.

32 I feel bad for Perry b/c I'm like that a lot of the time! I just blank out and sputter

Yeah, not a major deal. Anybody can go blank and not be able to call up something they do actually know. The only real concern is how other people will perceive the flub instead of with the flub itself.

33

@ 13 Not a one gives a shit about the Perry flub.

 Not surprising.  At this point, Perry is pretty much already a has been, so there's it's not like he can hurt himself to make his situation much worse.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 10, 2011 09:06 AM (+inic)

Maybe I should also mention, these are all people who were tepidly to strongly supporting Perry before last night. No change today.

34

The list o slam The corrupt and inept Obama administration:

Solynadra

Fast and Furious

Trillions of debt

Endless wasteful spending

Unemployment

Crony capitalism & corruption

ObamaCare (shitty tax payer funded government run healthcare)

ObamaCare waivers that prove it's all sham anyway

Union/democrat "my state is broke" money laundering machine

 

35 We're going to nominate Mitt Romney everyone. Just come to terms with it.

Unfortunately that is indeed the case.  That being so, it may as well be Mitt because Cain would get his clock cleaned by Obama.  Mitt is at least a functioning, articulate adult (albeit the lying, weaselly kind) and can perhaps send Obama packing.

36

The list o slam can grow

37 I know of some other ways to bring the Greeks and the Italians to heel.

38

We're going to nominate Mitt Romney everyone. Just come to terms with it. Posted by: Ben at November 10, 2011 09:07 AM

This meme has to be shot down, and damn quick.

Just because the preppies at NRO want Their Boy nominated, and a bunch of blowhard "pundits" have decided Mutt is "inevitable," we're going to be stupid enough to put an unprincipled and probably totally insincere Pretty Boy up against Osama Obama?

That would be an incredible mistake, for both the party and the country.

Perry and Cain are far better than The Mutt. The Newt is (slightly) better. Shit, Crazy Michelle is better.

The only way I could ever support Mutt is if his only challengers were RON PAUL!!11!! and Norbert Huntsman.

39 Some people on the LiveStream last night were suggesting an AoSHQ hosted debate.

I'd love to be the moderator.

Monty: "Mr. Perry, can you tell me what the impact would be on commodities markets if Chilean bauxite futures continue their spike?"
Perry: "I--"
Monty: "Shaddap. You, Tardisil girl. Do you think the continuing debasement of higher education in this country will lead to further degradation in the labor market in years to come, especially as it pertains to the high-tech sector?"
Bachmann: "I--"
Monty: "Shut your cake-hole. Mitt.... I'm not even going to ask you a question. I hate you with such a fierce intensity that it's all I can do to keep from kicking you in the balls right now."
Romney: "Hey, I--"
Monty: "Quiet, you turd! You'll speak when spoken to!"
Cain: "You tell 'em, Monty!"
Monty: "Yeah, you shut up too, Mr. Touchie-Feelie."
Huntsman: "This is an outrage!"
Monty: "Yeah, that's what your wife says every day when you come home. You know what? I'm sick of looking at your stupid sheeplike faces. Get the fuck off my stage. I'll entertain the audience myself by making savage sport of you after you've slunk off to your lairs."

40 Perry's flub was unfortunate, but he is doing well in owning it, with his email last night and appearances this morning.  He needs to keep doing this.

It's not as bad as it looks to those of us on the right for several reasons:

1) We're hypersensitive to appearances after 8 years of Bush and relentless media bullshit.  What strikes us as devastating is either just funny or meh to a lot of people.  Many are looking for a candidate they can relate to.  EVERYONE can relate to a brain fart.  That's why the term "brain fart" exists.  He just needs to handle it well and put that face on it.

2) Many of us (not me) have picked a candidate other than Perry.  Those people are all too cheerful in blowing this out of proportion to eliminate competition.  That's part of the game, but they are blowing it out of proportion, nonetheless.

Resist we much. 

It's a bullshit "standard."

41 I didn't see the debate last night, but I understand Rick Perry turned in another stellar performance.

42 Can we stop pretending Perry is a viable candidate now and get down to some substantive selection?

43 Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 10, 2011 09:10 AM

You forgot:

Jew-hating pro-Muzzie;

America-hater;

Congenital liar.

44 Posted by: Monty at November 10, 2011 09:15 AM

Gawd!!

That debate would kill on Pay-TV! The DVD sales afterward would rock, too.

Monty FTW!

45 You can nominate Mittens, but that doesn't mean we'll vote for him.

As a matter of fact, the nomination of 'conservative' GOP Mittens Willard Romney, prophet of Zion, means that we need some more 'corrective treatment' via the libs.

Think of it as aversion therapy.

Here's to four more years of Drs. Barry and Michelle. We obviously haven't learned our lessons quite yet.

46 43 Can we stop pretending Perry is a viable candidate now and get down to some substantive selection?

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at November 10, 2011 09:16 AM (tazG1)

Yeah, let's examine actual candidate records, for a start, instead of relying on a bunch of bullshit debates.  How's that for substantive?

47 @ 27 Bachmann on the other hand looked really good.  Crazy.

Crazy but good, eh?

48 28
We're going to nominate Mitt Romney everyone. Just come to terms with it.
Posted by: Ben at November 10, 2011 09:07 AM (wuv1c)

So, what soothing words do you intend to offer us when Mittens bones us over cap-and-trade or he revisits Obamacare and decides he's down with it after all? The Clayton Williams rejoinder (Williams publicly made a joke likening rape to bad weather, having quipped: "If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it.")?

49 The next president of the United States is either going to be Mitt Romney, Herman Cain, or a repeat of Barack Obama. My advice is to start drinking heavily. I'd like to think that Perry can survive this, but I doubt it. Republicans have made it abundantly clear that we're no better than Democrats in preferring style over substance.

50

4 more years of Obama isn't a lesson - it's a disaster. Supreme Court anyone?

51 Can we stop pretending Perry is a viable candidate now and get down to some substantive selection?

Yes, and no.

There is no "substantive selection."  Who have we got? 

Mittens.-  Not "just" no.  Besides a terrible record as far as actual conservative governance, he still "likes" mandates.  No.
Perry- Couldn't talk his way out of a ticket.  If he actually had been pulled over wrongfully.
Cain- No meaningful record- and based on his quick-draw skill with the Race Card, I'm beginning to think that's the biggest disqualifier in the race.
Newt-  Baggage.  Plus more baggage.  Smart guy, though.
Bachman-  Tardisil.
RON!! PAUL!!- 'Nuff said
<Anyone else> "Who?"

The only ones of any "substance" are Mittens, Perry, and Newt, and all of them can be seen as "fatally flawed."  The real issue is that no Republican candidate will be able to do it on his own, he'll need lots of volunteers who are willing (as so many Barack Obama supporters were in '0 to accost random people on the street to explain why they should vote for our nominee- and none of ours inspire that kind of evangelism.

52 I like cats, and most other animals. Something about a somewhat overweight cat stretched out on his back with his head stuck in a box makes me want to reach down and grab that big belly and start a fight.

53 I'm afraid to watch the Perry clip. Can someone summarize?

54 Headline from Drudge in red: Chris Rock giddy for Obama 2nd term. "He's going to do some gangster shit." Anybody who sits this out if Romney is the nominee can go fuck themselves with SCOAMF's pencil dick.

55 I was thinking okay, its gonna be Romney, so what if he's backstopped by Newt? Can you imagine a debate between Gingrich and Biden? The refs would be jumping in and ending it early.

56 Posted by: Monty at November 10, 2011 09:15 AM (/0a60)
 
Monty has my vote as moderator. I can even scrounge up an extra dead person vote if Romney gets it in the balls.
 
You could fluster him just as much though by walking by and mussing his hair.
 
Overall, it would be the first R rated debate in history.

57

Public-sector employees also tend to undervalue their own (expensive) benefit packages, and don't include them in their base salaries.

Yup.  I've had multiple conversations with public sector employees where I have had to explain that private sector employees have to contribute fairly substantially to their health insurance and that there pretty much are no more defined benefit retirement plans and that defined contribution plans only match a very small amount.  I've had people stare at me like I suddenly sprouted a new head.  Oh, not to mention the getting fired at any time for no reason at all thing.  No, not everyone is like that but enough that it's infuriating.

58 Can someone summarize?

"Ummm...  uh... I just had it... right on the tip of my tongue... [uncomfortable pause]... ummm... uh..."

59 Newt has rehabilitated his image beyond comprehension, to the point that even in general election polls he's pulled close to Obama. But the problem is he's a technocrat, and we need someone who is more of a generalist than someone who's going to assign homework every night to all Americans. Santorum is my preference if Perry really is out of it - and I guess I should retain some hope - but he's probably even more of a long shot. Plus he lacks Newt's ability to sound smart without also sounding smarmy.

60 40 Some people on the LiveStream last night were suggesting an AoSHQ hosted debate.
I'd love to be the moderator.
Posted by: Monty at November 10, 2011 09:15 AM (/0a60)

Oh, hell, yes!

61 Some people on the LiveStream last night were suggesting an AoSHQ hosted debate.

I'd love to be the moderator.

Can I ask questions?  Pleeeeeaaassssseeeee?  I'll be good!  My good is still *a* good!  Pleeeeeeaaaaassssssseeee?

62

NLRB Lawyer:"We screwed up the US economy"

Ya think?

 

63 I watched the debate, I thought Perry was doing very well until his brain cramp. My wife laughed and said, well we have all done that, just not on TV. I thought the entire panel did well by not attacking each other. Santorum would be much farther ahead if he didn't act like a teenager that copped his first feel everytime he answered a question. I loved Ron Paul the economist, I hate Ron Paul the foreign policy expert. Bachmann looked really good. To bad she screwed it away months ago. Gingrich looked a little whiny bitching about having 30 seconds to answer a Health Care question after 3 other candidates already had. The libtard scrunt on the panel said "Fine, take all the time you need" he wasn't expecting that and kind of stumbled. I liked Herman Cain. He was his entertaining self. Lacked in-depth substance but in that format, he did what he needed to do with the weapons he brought to the fight. I can't remember a darn thing Huntsman said, prolly cause I got up to pee or get a refreshment when he spoke. Romney was pushed about his ever changing positions on the issues. He ducked and dodged but looked good doing it. It was pointed out to him that non of his 56 points addressed the Housing crisis. He side stepped that nicely. I still can't stand him. rons, I really like rick Perry, but I'm terrified there is not enough substance over style voters.

64 So, I was just thinking. Since the Occupiers love them some big government, and they're dedicated to the idea of living in parks downtown, why don't those municipalities send their collectors of revenue down there and starting collecting taxes on the Occupiers' dwellings? They're taking up some pretty expensive real estate.

65

Ugh. Now it's raining cats and dogs here in Central NC. Not exactly conducive to my plans for the day. I feel like I recently walked under a ladder while breaking a mirror after a black cat ran in front of me. Maybe I should be out looking for four-leafed clovers rather than rocks.

66 #34. Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 10, 2011 09:10 AM (O7ksG)


His big ass wife Chewbacca spends money like it's going out of print and lectures us on how and what to eat.

Barry lectures us on making sacrifices while the CSer is golfing or on vacation every other day

Weakening the US as a world power

67 Yes, I've decided that what I want as a nominee is someone who has, at one time or another, agreed with almost every policy that Obama has put in place.  I want someone who will lie to my face about his conservative ideas and then pander to the media and the left.  I want someone who will continue to grow government so that the toadies can continue getting richer off my earnings.  I want to leave my beloved country in a shambles for my children and to pray every day that I never get grandchildren because what's the fucking point.  Just so long as the nominee looks good in a debate that's watched by almost no one.

Go Romney!

68 I'm terrified there is not enough substance over style voters.

Me, too, OSP.

How about we, at least, agree to vote substance over style, and let the rest of the voters do what they'll do?

69 Debatin' ain't presidentin'.  (repeat mantra as often as needed)

70 Hey, where's Perry?

71 AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 09:28 AM Deal.

72 Gingrich looked a little whiny bitching about having 30 seconds to answer a Health Care question after 3 other candidates already had. The libtard scrunt on the panel said "Fine, take all the time you need" he wasn't expecting that and kind of stumbled. I had a bit of the opposite reaction. At first I agreed that he was starting to take this "attack the media" thing too far, but when Bartiromo kept screeching at him he reacted coolly and wound up answering the question very well. Agreed with you on all other accounts. I had watched the first hour of this debate at the gym and thought that all the candidates looked good, attacking Obama and not each other. So I missed the Perry gaffe, which is of course all anyone is talking about.

73 Can we stop pretending Perry is a viable candidate now and get down to some substantive selection?

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at November 10, 2011 09:16 AM (tazG1)

He forgot two words and you want to throw him overboard? 

Yeah, that's a substantive way to select a candidate.

74 #34. Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 10, 2011 09:10 AM (O7ksG)



Ignoring immigration laws and attacking states for trying to enforce immigration laws

Claiming that he's looking out for the average American while he's partying with Hollywood douchebags

75 rons, I really like rick Perry, but I'm terrified there is not enough substance over style voters.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 10, 2011 09:26 AM (ZDUD4)

There aren't.  You'd expect AOSHQ to have a higher quantity of substance-driven voters, but look at the commentary.  This community KNOWS that the style-based system is precisely what the media and elites want, because that allows them to continue to frame elections and guide who gets into office.  We, for the most part, wouldn't trust these assholes to choose a good Thanksgiving turkey for us, yet, at least half of the people who post HERE make their voting decisions that way regardless.

76 tami still no word from jane?

77 I for one welcome our new Mormon overlord.

78 72 I'm terrified there is not enough substance over style voters.

Me, too, OSP.

How about we, at least, agree to vote substance over style, and let the rest of the voters do what they'll do?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 09:28 AM (8y9MW)

I think you guys are backing a bull with a high sperm count that can't get an erection. Lots of potential, but no avenue of implementation.

79

MrScribbler

 

i hope you're right, but i think you aren't.

I'm still backing Perry, i thought it was his best debate last night except for that brain fart.

80 rons, I really like rick Perry, but I'm terrified there is not enough substance over style voters. Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 10, 2011 09:26 AM

I see "Poppin' Fresh" is already belching out his "Perry-is-dead" horseshit over at Tepid Air. The only thing missing (at least for now) is another plug for T-Paw.

I'm still waiting for someone to convince me that The Newt has actually done something substantively constructive for the country in all his years on the public teat, or his later years as a Great Thinker living off donations. At least Cain racked up some business success, while Perry has proven himself in politics.

81 82 maddogg ouch....now i am going to cry

82 Since I, like most Republican voters - not to mention voters in general, haven't watched these "debates" - nobody is out of this primary until FL. After FL, the field should be down to two.

83 tami

still no word from jane?

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 10, 2011 09:31 AM (SH3gZ)

Nope. 

84 Jane d'oh.......if you are lurking......we miss you....hope everything is ok

85 tami still no word from jane? Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 10, 2011 09:31 AM (SH3gZ) Nope. Posted by: Tami at November 10, 2011 09:34 AM Ace said he would try to E-mail her. Did he?

86 oldsailor i think so

87 Perry cannot handle a debate. He is terrible at it and he'll get 35% of the vote and Obama will walk away with it. I'm certain Perry would make a great conservative prez - and I'd certainly support him. Reality: He's toast.

88 I think you guys are backing a bull with a high sperm count that can't get an erection. Lots of potential, but no avenue of implementation. Posted by: maddogg at November 10, 2011 09:31 AM Our boy has a big throbbing erection. He just doesn't spend a lot of time talking about it.

89 About that John Stewart destroys Corzine thing.

Not once in the entire diatribe does Stewart mention that Corzine was a democrat.  and a heavy Obama supporter.

90

There are three things you need to invest in right now:  Gold, Silver, and .....uh...........ummm........uh....ya know......uh..........um.....I forgot the third.

91

Oh Yeah, NOW I remember the third one, it was bonds, yeah bonds, that was it!

92 Posted by: maddogg at November 10, 2011 09:31 AM (OlN4e)

That's what the primaries are for, though.  Primary- vote your principles.  General- vote your team.

93 >>>I think you guys are backing a bull with a high sperm count that can't get an erection. Lots of potential, but no avenue of implementation. Well put. All his supposed conservative cred is pretty much worthless if he hasn't a chance in hell of beating SCOAMF.

94

Somedays I get the feeling that we are on the Titanic, and some of us, with Monty leading the way, see the iceberg and are frantically trying to warn the others.

The others, meanwhile, are frantically trying to turn the band up to 11 to drown us out.  Heh.

95 Did anyone besides me want to slap the living shit out of Jim Cramer?

96 Resistance is futile.

97 Posted by: Boots at November 10, 2011 09:39 AM (neKzn)

Some days, I feel like we're on the Titanic, and I think my best bet is just to head down to Steerage and get it over with.

98 Did anyone besides me want to slap the living shit out of Jim Cramer?

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 10, 2011 09:39 AM (ZDUD4)

Slap him?  I was hoping Perry was carrying and would shoot him.  Gawd I hate that guy.

99 Perry = toast

100 We, for the most part, wouldn't trust these assholes to choose a good Thanksgiving turkey for us, yet, at least half of the people who post HERE make their voting decisions that way regardless.

Posted by: grognard at November 10, 2011 09:31 AM (NS2Mo)

Well said.  The appeal is strong to be in the camp of the favored, to identify with the presumable winner.  It is a marketing axiom.

101 Not only Cramer. Harwood was tossing out questions written by the op-research directorate of OFA (like the Gingrich taking cash from Fannie). Has Obama ever answered a single question like what they were tossing out? Ever?

102 Not once in the entire diatribe does Stewart mention that Corzine was a democrat.  and a heavy Obama supporter.

Not only that, it's like trying to sidestep the issue that Prince Charles is British.  Corzine's not a small, unknown Democrat, he's a major Democrat.

103 96 AllenG, that is a good point that reminds me of the '08 Dem primary. There were lots of libs claiming they wouldn't vote for the JEF if Shrillary didn't get the nod, but the vote totals sure don't suggest that.

104

I live in neighboring Shelby County (work in Jefferson).

Half expected to see little top had dudes like from Monopoly coming to take assets

Not really but it's an amusing thought.

105 It is a marketing axiom.

You know what else works well in marketing ending your sale price with 99. I threw in the other 9 for good luck.

106 ^{"Extreme Saving Strategies From Frugal Bloggers"}

107

1. Perry is toast

2. Perry is toast

3. ... I forget ...

Yeah I know it's been done, but I just had to get that out of my system.

108 The advantage of getting Romney on the ticket is that we can vote for him and see him as President without being emotionally attached to him. With W, many of us felt a connection, complete with hope and pride, which made the disappointments as well as his failure to defend himself all of the more frustrating. With Romney, we're getting the male version of Lilith...

109 Cramer - who admitted to manipulating markets - was asking the candidates what they would do to restore trust in the system. One of them should have said cancel your goofy show and put you in jail, Jim.

110 Posted by: Count de Monet, in the Perry tank for the duration at November 10, 2011 09:40 AM

What grinds most on me is the favoring of shininess over substance. That's what has Mutt Romney "winning" in the eyes of the Limousine Conservative crowd.

The president need not be a skilled debater. That so-called skill  is way over-emphasized. I'm comfortable that Perry would know what to do in a crisis, even if he wasn't as slick as we might like in the debates.

In an emergency, Osama Obama will sell us out and raise taxes; Mutt Romney will fluff his elaborate coiffure. Perry and Cain will act. The Newt will discuss the issues involved at great length.

111 blaster at November 10, 2011 09:49 AM (7vSU0) That answer could have won someone a primary.

112 You know, I don't condone violence on women, but I did like it when Gingrich told Bartiromo to bite the curb...

113 Perry needs to write the 3 departments on his hand and make a point of referring to them during an interview.
 
Hey, it sorta worked for Palin.

114  Not once in the entire diatribe does Stewart mention that Corzine was a democrat.  and a heavy Obama supporter.

Not only that, it's like trying to sidestep the issue that Prince Charles is British.  Corzine's not a small, unknown Democrat, he's a major Democrat.

Posted by: nickless at November 10, 2011 09:43 AM (MMC8r)

Political party affiliations are just not newsworthy!*

See:  Jon Corzine, Marion Barry, Kwame Kilpatrick, James McGreevey, Eliot Spitzer, Anthony Weiner et al ad nauseum ...

 

 

 

* _{Well, unless said newsmaker is somehow part of or can be linked, even by the slimmest of threads, to the Republican party or the Tea Party.  Then that is major news.}

 

/s (if needed)

115 "Ex-banker Papademos is new Greek prime minister"

"ok, ok, we've tried everything else....

hey, how about a banker?"

116 I had never actually heard the phrase "Money Honey" until last night.

117 Waterhouse at November 10, 2011 09:53 AM It's a song by the Bay City Rollers, Circa 1978.

118 @110  ^{"Extreme Saving Strategies From Frugal Bloggers"}

Posted by: surprised

Totally ridiculous.

119 "Bartiromo was nicknamed the "Money Honey" in the late 1990s due to her striking looks and for being the first woman to report live from the raucous floor of the New York Stock Exchange. She also received the nickname "Econo Babe".  In January 2007, Bartiromo filed trademark applications to use the term "Money Honey" as a brand name for a line of children's products including toys, puzzles and coloring books to teach kids about money."

120 Posted by: Mister Money at November 10, 2011 09:56 AM (wN82N)

I thought it was funny in a hipster sort of way.

121
In an emergency, Osama Obama will sell us out and raise taxes; Mutt Romney will fluff his elaborate coiffure. Perry and Cain will act. The Newt will discuss the issues involved at great length.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 10, 2011 09:50 AM (HkOAc)

Face it -- Perry and Cain have both been destroyed. They were my favorite "not Romney"s, but I won't go into a state of denial. It sucks. We're boned. Move on.

122 We have bigger fish to fry, anyway.  40% of the country thinks the SCOAMF is AOK.  120 million people in this country are SCOAMFs or SCOAMF enablers.

Conservatives should worry less about a brain fart and more about how to reverse that trend.  The real enemy to a healthy republic is pop culture.  Talk about an opiate for the masses!  Bread and circuses, bread and circuses.

Entertainment news, including sports news, has replaced real reporting for the vast majority of citizens.  The rest get what little info they have from the MSM, which is woefully biased.

We're quite lucky that any Republican polls close to the SCOAMF at all, and that's more because he's a SCOAMF than because the people like Republicans.

People don't care, and don't want to know the truth, until it marches up to their door, takes away everything they have, and turns them out into the street.  Even then, they will swallow any bullshit that offers them a semi-plausible scapegoat.

I'm starting to wonder if man really can self-govern.  It is far too easy for people to not pay attention and to use only emotional impulse to guide decision making.

123

OMG!  I smell cat pee.

124 As suspected, MF Global brazenly took liquid assets like Treasuries and warehouse receipts, but not cash which would have been more quickly missed, from customer accounts to post as illegal collateral for emergency funding with a lender who must have known that they were receiving stolen goods.
When things fell apart, the lender simply took the collateral and liquidated it, and kept the money. And now they are refusing to even acknowledge this transaction, and apparently the management of MF Global is not yet talking. Why? Because it was an insider deal, and they don't want to give back the
stolen moneyÂ…
This is a scandal of the first order, and a severe test for the Obama Justice Department, the regulatory agencies, and the exchanges. This is a great crime, undeniably premeditated, and possibly the tip of an iceberg that would shake the public confidence in a deeply corrupt financial system.



The Obama Justice Department? Yeah, they'll get right on that. Right after Solynadra and Fast & Furious

125 I don't know how toasted Perry will be over his 53 second flub, actually.  I didn't watch the debate, as per my usual, and I wonder how many did.  This morning's news is filled with Penn State stuff.  It'll pop up in commercials, obviously, but there's plenty of fodder for negative ads on the others as well.  That Huntsman ad about Romney running away is pretty juicy, but do people really base their votes on those sorts of things? 

One plus is that Perry will probably get a lot of interview offers from reporters eager to rub salt in the wounds. If he handles them as well as (it sounds like) he handled the Fox one this morning, he can use that to his advantage. 

126 Posted by: surprised at November 10, 2011 09:57 AM (k1rwm)

What the fuck makes you think I was talking to you?

127

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

OT I know, and a day early. To all the men and women who have served and are serving. Sincere thanks!

 

128 I'm starting to wonder if man really can self-govern. It is far too easy for people to not pay attention and to use only emotional impulse to guide decision making. Posted by: grognard at November 10, 2011 09:58 AM Well, maybe we could move to a Theocracy. I'm sure Mitt would shove the book of Mormon up our collective asses.

129 Cramer - who admitted to manipulating markets - was asking the candidates what they would do to restore trust in the system. One of them should have said cancel your goofy show and put you in jail, Jim.

CNBC would have to cancel half their programing. Squawk On The Street has turned in to "Kiss Cramer's Ass" since Mark Haines died.

130 There aren't.  You'd expect AOSHQ to have a higher quantity of substance-driven voters, but look at the commentary.  This community KNOWS that the style-based system is precisely what the media and elites want, because that allows them to continue to frame elections and guide who gets into office.  We, for the most part, wouldn't trust these assholes to choose a good Thanksgiving turkey for us, yet, at least half of the people who post HERE make their voting decisions that way regardless.

This x1000.  I can't believe how half of the people here are reacting to this Perry gaffe.  Forgetting some word is enough to sink a candidacy?  Really?  I guess conservatives are just as gullible as the rest when it comes to letting style and the MFM memes take the day.  Pretty sad.  Nonetheless, I'm still voting for Perry.  I'm really tired of all this superficial crap and its hold over most people.  And I'm completely done with listening to any "expert's" opinion on what I should think.

131 Posted by: Count de Monet, in the Perry tank for the duration at November 10, 2011 09:58 AM (4q5tP)

Laced with AstroGlide.

132 Posted by: surprised at November 10, 2011 09:57 AM (k1rwm)

Have you healed up from the glory-hole stint last weekend?

133 Someone, somewhere, in a more prominent position than you might think, has suggested handling actual elections like American Idol.

Do I have proof?  Nope.  I know that the body politic is just that rotten.

134 The Obama Justice Department? Yeah, they'll get right on that. Right after Solynadra and Fast & Furious

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 10, 2011 09:59 AM (1Jaio)

But before we can get to those, we're still working on the Philly Black Panther voter intimidation allegations.  Lotsa work still to do in Philly.  Lotsa work.  Usually requiring working lunches.  And takeout from both Pat's and Geno's.  Hard to decide which style cheesesteak our working group prefers more.  We'll get back to you after some more first hand, on the ground investigation.

135 TQM where is that from

136 CNBC would have to cancel half their programing. Squawk On The Street has turned in to "Kiss Cramer's Ass" since Mark Haines died. You say that like its a bad thing.

137 As I said this morning, Perry did not "forget" anything. He froze up because he didn't want to say on national TV during a debate that he wants to abolish the EPA. That is not the way to win. AFTER you win then you can say you want to abolish the EPA.

He named two, but think about this for a second. What would they have said if he gave a 30 second non-answer about "streamlining gov and making dollars" count which would have been the typical Romney or Newt answer.

The MFM is choosing our candidate once again. Perhaps EE is right, too many stupid voters. Even on our side.

138 Seriously, how awesome would Gingrich v Biden be?

139 137 Someone, somewhere, in a more prominent position than you might think, has suggested handling actual elections like American Idol.

Do I have proof?  Nope.  I know that the body politic is just that rotten.

Posted by: grognard at November 10, 2011 10:06 AM (NS2Mo)

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http://etec.hawaii.edu/proceedings/2011/Fanning.pdf

Not a suggestion, per se.  A study of how American Idol and reality TV influences civics. 

140 Vic, it was actually Department of Energy. Thing is that the DoE does stuff that has to be done - nuclear weapons, weapons complex cleanup. It really doesn't have much to do with "energy" - the big wastrel things that it is doing now are ARRA (stimulus) stuff - those loans to Solyndra were not DoE budget, they were ARRA programs. EPA is the one that should be gotten rid of, though, if we wanted to be more energy independent.

141 CNBC would have to cancel half their programing. Squawk On The Street has turned in to "Kiss Cramer's Ass" since Mark Haines died.


You say that like its a bad thing.

Yeah, I have a firm grasp of the obvious, don't I?

142 Vic, it was actually Department of Energy.

Was it? Because is actually suing EPA right now.

143 As I said this morning, Perry did not "forget" anything. He froze up because he didn't want to say on national TV during a debate that he wants to abolish the EPA. That is not the way to win. AFTER you win then you can say you want to abolish the EPA.

No, some of the other candidates suggested the EPA during his freeze-up, but he said that wasn't it. Then when he got his next question, he said the third department he'd get rid of was Energy.

144 EPA isn't even a Department. What do they fall under? Interior?

145 For Monty

I'm beginning to think that I'll have to write in "Zombie Nixon" on my ballot next year....

Nixon was actually more liberal than Romney. Where do you think we got the damn EPA from?

146 I'd like to see just one of these candidates, doesn't matter which one, spend a little time on Fast & Furious.   Ideally, it'd be Cain, Romney, or Perry, but since Romney never talks and Cain and Perry are too busy trying not to seem like lechers and idiots, this probably won't happen.

It sure would be a nice way for them to divert the subject, though.  Hold a presser, then change the subject to F&F while the cameras are rolling live.

147

Has anyone tried to read the Rolling Stone article (Tim Dickinson, "How the GOP Became the Party of the Rich")? I can't speak to the tendentious claims made against today's GOP Congressional caucus; I'm too flabbergasted by the author's fanatically spurious retelling of 30 years' of economic history. Here's where my jaw -- already on the floor -- went through the boards:

"With the nation still mired in the worst financial crisis since the 1930s, Republicans have categorically rejected the one financial policy with a proven record of putting the country back on a more prosperous footing..."

What's that financial policy, you ask? Tax increases. I s**t you not... TAX INCREASES. That line alone almost makes you forget that that author's go-to guy for quotes on the tax policy of the 80s and 90s and today is... Lincoln Chafee.

Please, someone needs to convince a writer/blogger with even the most tenuous grasp of, you know, economics to absolutely fisk the bejeebus out of this piece. Pease.

148 EPA isn't even a Department. What do they fall under? Interior?

They are not an official department but they operate just like one. (unconstitutional). Their "administrator" is considered "cabinet rank" and reports directly to the President.

149 Re Reich: That's what you get when you walk around with your nose at the level of everyone else's farts.

150

Attack the messenger. That's intelligent. Go Perry!  He'll lose, but it will be on principle!

151

>>>don't know how toasted Perry will be over his 53 second flub, actually. I didn't watch the debate, as per my usual, and I wonder how many did. This morning's news is filled with Penn State stuff. It'll pop up in commercials, obviously, but there's plenty of fodder for negative ads on the others as well. That Huntsman ad about Romney running away is pretty juicy, but do people really base their votes on those sorts of things? 

All the conservative sites are playing it up. Even drudge seems to be leaving it above the fold for as long as possible.

Everyone has gaffes, other candidates had gaffes last night, most of what came out of Cain's mouth was idiotic, but people have pegged perry as an idiot and therefore any mistake he makes is pounced on.

While people are willing to forgive Cain's sexual transgressions or lack of knowledge on most any subject, Perry gets no second chance.

That's why I've convinced myself we're stuck with Romney. Perry is the only other candidate who can make it in the long haul and has a great record for a general election run, but eveyone here is letting perfect be the enemy of good.

Fine, I can't change reality.  Newt, Perry and Cain will split the conservative vote in the early primary states and Mitt will sweep all four.   Then Newt and Cain will probably drop out because they lack funds to continue and at that point it'll be Paul, Romney and Perry and there won't be enough time to catch up.

The elections start in less than 2 months.

152 Anybody read this fool's Reich's book Supercrapitalism?  What a clusterschtupp of contrived garbage, thrown together like spaghetti against the wall in the vain hope the reader will come away believing that government is the end-all be-all of the economy.  Even Raul Castro admitted that not everyone can work for the government, for f**** sake, Reich!  

http://tinyurl.com/75v8nk2

153 Newt, Perry and Cain will split the conservative vote in the early primary states and Mitt will sweep all four.

Anybody that thinks Newt is a "conservative" is either stupid or two lazy to do an hour's worth of research.

154

Who does everybody think Drudge is pushing anyway? Cain? Romney? Doktor Paul?

It obviously ain't Perry

155 Commenting on blegs is net my strong suite.

156 43 Can we stop pretending Perry is a viable candidate now and get down to some substantive selection?

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at November 10, 2011 09:16 AM (tazG1)

If this is true for Perry, what make anyone think it is not the same for everyone else?

I can't recall if you're a Cain or a Romney supporter, either way: You need to be honest with yourself that the same standard by which you judge Perry not viable is the same things the rest of us see that will sink either of those two as well. Some will even go so far as to suggest that the flaws of Cain or Romney are sufficient to kill the GOP if they should get the nomination.

And I can't say they'd be too far off. One guy will ensure we are stuck with a national health care plan along with various compromises with the Dems to find a middle ground and the other is going to give away the store to the Dems through an ever-higher ratcheting brand new sales tax.

157

>>Who does everybody think Drudge is pushing anyway? Cain? Romney? Doktor Paul?

It obviously ain't Perry

Cain I think, based on what he puts up on his site. I think he was a Palinista and most Palinistas have moved to Cain.

158
EPA isn't even a Department. What do they fall under? Interior?

Posted by: mugiwara at November 10, 2011 10:16 AM (W7ffl)

IIRC Clinton made it a cabinet level agency.

159 And Perry said this morning on F&F he has scheduled the debate for this Sat in SC and after that his schedule has not been determined yet.

He has been catching a lot of flack over his intent to skip most of the rest of the gottcha sessions but perhaps he has a real plan.

If he skips and some more skip because he is actually running a campaign in the early primary States instead of traveling all over debates maybe some more of them will skip the debate; especially the ones with money.

If everyone drops out but the broke candidates who are never going anywhere anyway these debates will ALL be cancelled.

160 While people are willing to forgive Cain's sexual transgressions or lack of knowledge on most any subject, Perry gets no second chance.


Ben, I think what is frustrating with Perry is we Know He is good and has a good record of running a state, But we also know He must convince those that aren't there yet .
and when he flubs it's aggravating and disheartening. but i'd like to add, so He had that moment, overall wasn't he much better in this debate than previous debates?

161 IIRC Clinton made it a cabinet level agency.

Nah, they just operate like one.

162 >> "Ummm... uh... I just had it... right on the tip of my tongue... [uncomfortable pause]... ummm... uh..." OK, thanks for the synopsis!

163 Ben at November 10, 2011 10:24 AM I'm a Palinista, I have not moved to Cain. I think many Palinistas are wondering who the Queen will support. I think the Queen will base her support on Issues and who is likely to give her a cabinet position. If i'm SP i'm thinking WTF, I have this team of horses but which wagon do I choose?

164

Cain I think, based on what he puts up on his site. I think he was a Palinista and most Palinistas have moved to Cain.

Posted by: Ben at November 10, 2011 10:24 AM (wuv1c)

Yeah, I suspect he's gone Cainiac also. I just don't get the Palinista crowd though. I love Sarah and would vote for her in a heartbeat; as far as I'm concerned she's got a good (albeit short) record governing, is a great spokeswoman for conservatism, and oozes charisma.

Cain's got some charisma, but is lacking in every other aspect. I guess the Palinistas really are that superficial.

165 What's with The random UpPercase LetterS?

166

>>>Ben, I think what is frustrating with Perry is we Know He is good and has a good record of running a state, But we also know He must convince those that aren't there yet .
and when he flubs it's aggravating and disheartening. but i'd like to add, so He had that moment, overall wasn't he much better in this debate than previous debates?

I thought that brain freeze aside, it was his best debate. But as i mentioned before, it won't be rememeberd that way.

I'm still voting for him, but I'm not going to spend much time defending him. Either he wins people over or he doesn't.  I will however continue to point out my amazement of how all of his gaffes are considered campaign ending, but Cain's are swept under the rug.

 

167  So what happens if Romney does get nominated and someone shoves Masscare in his face, being sure to mention that Obama has said it was the basis for Obamacare? What's the rationale here?

168 Romney is Drudge's guy.  Drudge has a long standing relationship with Matt Rhodes, Romney's communications guy.

Drudge has been floating Cain to knock out Perry.  Now I expect Cain to get the bad Drudge treatment.  And Newt too if he makes inroads.

169 This 'Weak field' spanks CNBC article at American Thinker is good.

http://tinyurl.com/c474stc

170

How about instead of shutting down whole departments (which I would like to do) we ease up and say  -- we must streamline and reduce the federal work force's wasteful l bureaucracies.  

While the federal tax payer funded payroll grows without oversight, the private secotr is dying - a little more every day. At some point the gravy train runs dry.

 

171

>>If i'm SP i'm thinking WTF, I have this team of horses but which wagon do I choose?

She will back Romney. Cain will back Romney, Bachmann will back Romney.

In the end they all will back Romney. 

Republicans fall into line.

172 If the pass/fail of Presidentin' is the gift of flawless gab, look no further! He's already in office! Rally around the leader, people. Cain is not it. Mitt is not it.

173 #71 is my thread winner. I am staying with Perry, but will vote for anybody but Romney or Obama. As far as the SCOTUS vote goes, Romney is no more likely to appoint a conservative as he is to fight FOR the second amendment. He is Obama-lite, but not that lite. He is only barely a RINO.

174 I think the Queen will base her support on Issues and who is likely to give her a cabinet position.

I think Palin will follow DeMint's lead and not endorse anyone in the primaries. She will probably wait and see if Romney is going to come out in front and decide then.

Keep in mind it was the Romney staffers that stabbed her in the back. She will not forget that.

175 58 Headline from Drudge in red: Chris Rock giddy for Obama 2nd term. "He's going to do some gangster shit."

Anybody who sits this out if Romney is the nominee can go fuck themselves with SCOAMF's pencil dick.

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at November 10, 2011 09:23 AM (tazG1)

Why? Because Romney will make sure the ganster shit is only half-gangster? You really think Romney is the guy to roll back one single thing Obama has done? Just what the hell worse can be done? The economy is shit, the government runs health care and the auto industry, we've got more debt than our ability to repay it, the courts are already packed with Dems, etc. etc.

And Mitt has a 59 point plan to throw this lever, press that switch, jigger that dial and other wise lightly massage around the edges of the problem. While Cain's big idea is to maintain the current amount of revenue by giving them a sales tax.

The "ganster shit" is already in place, the machine is already humming along at top speed--electing a guy who is merely going to stop any additional "ganster shit" or who plans to keep most of it the same is no improvement.

176 Cain campaign: We're sticking with Block.

177 Well, on the plus side, if Romney is inevitable and everyone is out by February, I'll have a lot of free time to build my bunker.

178 On Romney and SCOTUS- I don't think he'll nominate terribly conservative justices, either.  His "reach-across-the-aisle" syndrome is too strong- he'll nominate "moderate" justices who are "acceptable" to "main-stream Americans."  That is- he'll nominate (at best) another Justice Kennedy.

179

I'm still voting for him, but I'm not going to spend much time defending him. Either he wins people over or he doesn't.  I will however continue to point out my amazement of how all of his gaffes are considered campaign ending, but Cain's are swept under the rug.

 Posted by: Ben at November 10, 2011 10:31 AM (wuv1c)

I don't think you can say that yet. There is still a lot of stuff on Cain to shake out. As for me, I have pretty much written Cain off. I think he's lying, and I think it is showing.

180 Well, on the plus side, if Romney is inevitable and everyone is out by February, I'll have a lot of free time to build my bunker.

Posted by: Y-not at November 10, 2011 10:36 AM (5H6zj)

Yeah, maybe since Spring will be coming I will be able to talk wifey into moving to WY and I can get away from the overpopulated East Coast.

181 Per Wiki:

The EPA is not a Cabinet department, but the administrator is normally given cabinet rank. The agency has approximately 18,000 full-time employees.

I believe this happened under Clinton.

182 If the pass/fail of Presidentin' is the gift of flawless gab, look no further! He's already in office!

For all his supposed rhetorical brilliance, Obama's a tongue-tied fucktard incredibly often. It just doesn't get media play, because the narrative is he's a genius, so Barky's mistakes are Understandable Gaffes, while with Perry, the narrative is he's a knuckledragging Cro-Magnon, so any mistake reveals his True Nature. It's infuriating.

183 Ben at November 10, 2011 10:32 AM I will have to disagree. Maybe you are right. Maybe Romney is smart enough to start promising Cabinet positions for support. Maybe I am wrong about SP's tough stance on Abortion. But I think her unofficial battle flag has a new born on it. Romney is not solid pro life. She will not tolerate that. In the end, the Candidates make up a total of 6 votes. Most conservative people do not like Romney, period.

184 Yeah, maybe since Spring will be coming I will be able to talk wifey into moving to WY and I can get away from the overpopulated East Coast.
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I'd recommend Utah but it should be pretty intolerable around here until Romney loses.

185   @ 187

   OSP, what bugs me is the antipathy toward Romney by the base, and I'll bet it will show in the general in the form of lowered turnout.  And that would be a disaster.

186 I'd recommend Utah but it should be pretty intolerable around here until Romney loses.

Posted by: Y-not at November 10, 2011 10:39 AM (5H6zj)

I do not want to leave one State essentially ran by the Baptist church and go to a State ran by the Morman church.

Doesn't Utah still have blue laws and block alcohol sales on Sun?  I was thinking SC and UT were the last two holdouts, with UT being the only one West of the big river.

187
I give a hearty "FU" to all those Perry supporters who jumped on the destroy Cain with innuendo bandwagon.

How's my ass taste now?

188 OSP, what bugs me is the antipathy toward Romney by the base, and I'll bet it will show in the general in the form of lowered turnout.  And that would be a disaster.

If the nominee is Romney I'm going to have to physically drag my husband to the polls. 

And I'm voting against anyone who endorses Romney before the summer.

189 OSP, what bugs me is the antipathy toward Romney by the base, and I'll bet it will show in the general in the form of lowered turnout. And that would be a disaster. Posted by: irongrampa at November 10, 2011 10:42 AM (SAMxH) That worries me also. he is NOT my candidate. Neither is Cain or Perry ot Yada Yada Yada. But whoever emerges as our candidate will get my 100% support. obama MUST GO

190 The Jefferson County bankruptcy was a big surprise to me. I was pretty sure I knew about it already. A couple months back there were stories about a small town in Alabama was having trouble meeting its pension. I wrongly thought it would be the same locale.

191 Romney is Drudge's guy.  Drudge has a long standing relationship with Matt Rhodes, Romney's communications guy.

Drudge has been floating Cain to knock out Perry.  Now I expect Cain to get the bad Drudge treatment.  And Newt too if he makes inroads.

IOW, there is practically nowhere one can go without the bias of any news source trying to shape opinion. 

192 This community KNOWS that the style-based system is precisely what the media and elites want, because that allows them to continue to frame elections and guide who gets into office. **** Add to that -it's about the only thing the media "elites" are good at-and therefore can feel smugly superior about. That's why the whole thing has devolved into a talking head's beauty contest .

193 I'll bet it will show in the general in the form of lowered turnout.  And that would be a disaster.

Where it will show is in the critical turnover States like NC, VA, FL, and OH. Only a small percentage will stay at home but in those States it will be enough.

194

Doesn't Utah still have blue laws and block alcohol sales on Sun?  I was thinking SC and UT were the last two holdouts, with UT being the only one West of the big river.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2011 10:43 AM (YdQQY)

You can't buy alcohol in Connecticut on Sundays.  Hell, you can't buy it after a certain time on Saturday night.

195 I don't know what to think.

I just. don't.

I know who I like. I also know the electorate is too ADD and they're only in to catching 30 second soundbites. That clip was all over my local news and talk (not am, btw) radio this morning.

I think it's too much for him to recover at this point.

Is it fair for someone with such a solid record? I can't say. It's his jobs to convince voters that he's the voice of conservative movement and that he's a superior choice to the SCOAMF. . That's hard to do when you freeze up like that.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Rick Perry is a stumbling mumblebuble with an impressive record.

196

Up until a few weeks ago, the landscape was Mitt or someone more conservative.  The smart money was on Perry, with Cain getting in the way with a temporary spike in the polls.

 

Perry started self-immolating with bad debates and ill-conceived attacks on Mitt that came off poorly.  Last night was supposed to be the new, prepared Perry.  That didnÂ’t work out too well.  Cain has been taking fire and has received growing support due to the publicÂ’s distaste for character assassination, but no serious observer of politics can conceive of him getting the nomination.

 

What would be interesting to know is what is happening behind the scenes with those who chose not run.  Is Jeb or Marco rethinking their position?  Palin seemed on the verge of endorsing Perry, but is she taking another look?  As mentioned previously, itÂ’s not too late for someone to jump in. 

197 irongrampa at November 10, 2011 10:42 AM I couldn't agree more. McCain part II. There are hundreds of thousands of people that for the first time in their lives have become involved in Politics. If they find out there hard work is usurped by an elitist GOP and a crooked media, you could hear a giant "FK IT" echo throughout the land.

198 The Jefferson County bankruptcy was a big surprise to me.

That's been brewing for a while. Look at the post I did in the news thread. Especially why they went bankrupt.

199 That worries me also. he is NOT my candidate. Neither is Cain or Perry ot Yada Yada Yada. But whoever emerges as our candidate will get my 100% support. obama MUST GO Posted by: nevergiveup at November 10, 2011 10:44 AM (i6RpT) **** Wait...who is your candidate?

200

>>>I give a hearty "FU" to all those Perry supporters who jumped on the destroy Cain with innuendo bandwagon.

How's my ass taste now?

Again, it appears some of the die hards live in an altered reality. Go back and read this site. We were savaging Cain on his awful 9-9-9 plan and his lack of knowledge on anything pertaining to foreign policy weeks before this whole harassment thing came up.

He was a shitty candidate before the harassment charges, he still is a shitty candidate.

 

201 TQM where is that from

Posted by: Jean at November 10, 2011 10:07 AM (WkuV6)

There's a Forbes article on  MF/Corzine and that piece I posted is from a blog that commented on the Forbes article. The Forbes article was from yesterday

202 @179 Sorry, but I think we have to be brutally honest with ourselves and not fall into willful delusion: There is NO transformational conservative candidate in this race. Not even Perry (yes, in my eyes his promise to eliminate Commerce, Education and Energy is PURE pandering). Our choice is amongst the lesser of evils. Politics is the art of the possible (as some dead Kraut once said). The transformation of the nation that we all seek will not be accomplished by electing a new president next year. It's far larger than that. But bouncing SCOAMF and his band of merry commies from the executive is absolutely essential to get the ball rolling... but it's only a start.

203 Demographics was mentioned several times in today's DOOM, but the question is how to get a free woman to have kids without infringing on her rights. We could take the lefty path and either import from the third world or just mandate women have children, but what if we killed two birds with one free stone. Do away with the welfare state and people will be forced to consider their own retirement, and the cheapest, easiest, and most reliable form of elderly support has always been children. Western demographics can only be saved by ending the welfare state.

204 Meanwhile Cain is sticking with Mark Block.

But he's whimsical and funny so it's all good, right?

205
I'll say it again:

I give a hearty "FU" to all those Perry supporters who jumped on the destroy Cain with innuendo bandwagon.

How's my ass taste now?

You have 53 seconds to reply.

206 Doesn't Utah still have blue laws and block alcohol sales on Sun?  I was thinking SC and UT were the last two holdouts, with UT being the only one West of the big river.

We allow exceptions for towns close to the state line, but that's it.

Do you really drink that much on a Saturday night?

207

If Perry does not win the nomination, I'll vote for the GOP nominee in the General Election.

If you don't vote for the GOP nomination in the general election, you are a supporter of Barak Hussein Obama.

It is that simple.

 

208 You can't buy alcohol in Connecticut on Sundays.  Hell, you can't buy it after a certain time on Saturday night.

7 pm here for liquor and midnight for beer.

209 As mentioned previously, itÂ’s not too late for someone to jump in.

Yes, it is.  But keep dreaming.  Someone around here needs hope.

210 That worries me also. he is NOT my candidate. Neither is Cain or Perry ot Yada Yada Yada. But whoever emerges as our candidate will get my 100% support. obama MUST GO Posted by: nevergiveup at November 10, 2011 10:44 AM (i6RpT) **** Wait...who is your candidate? Posted by: tasker at November 10, 2011 10:46 AM (14jKX) Well my first choice is "Somebody not on the ballot at the moment" but if you put a loaded gun to my head and make me choose I guess Newt out of a process of elimination.

211 Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid

"Destroy?"

Reading comprehension is key.

Criticizing how he ran his campaign is fair game in a primary.

Sorry you think the rules don't apply to The Chosen One^TM

Certified is right, apparently.

212 IIRC Clinton made it a cabinet level agency. So did George H. W. Bush. It's political eyewash that means nothing.

213

>>>The transformation of the nation that we all seek will not be accomplished by electing a new president next year. It's far larger than that. But bouncing SCOAMF and his band of merry commies from the executive is absolutely essential to get the ball rolling... but it's only a start.

 

I agree. That's the only reason I am taking a Romney candidacy a little better than I was a few weeks ago.

 

214 Doesn't Utah still have blue laws and block alcohol sales on Sun?  I was thinking SC and UT were the last two holdouts, with UT being the only one West of the big river.

Yep.  We have state liquor stores, no wine sales via a grocery store (we can get light beer via a grocery store), and rules about having to order food when you are at a place like sports "bar" in order to be served a drink. 

We also have a law called the Zion Curtain that prohibits places from visibly drawing beer from taps.  They have to hide the process from the customers. That got slipped in during the last legislative session without discussion. 

For a state that prides itself on being a Red State, they are pretty anti-business. 

There's a lot to like about this place -- it's lovely, it's traditional and "conservative", and the weather is very good -- but there is not a bright line between Church and State here.  It'll be interesting to see if that changes.  It really needs to if they are going to become a more competitive state. 

215 You have 53 seconds to reply.

Can he toss the question to Newt?

216 lacey, since He seems to do much better when on a talk show, maybe He should put a lot of effort into getting spots so the people can meet him and know where He stands, and hopefully he improves quickly. His debate was much better this time . even with the brain freeze.
i actually don't know.

Ben i was a sorta Palinista, my sorta was more on trying to defend her against what i believe were unwarranted and unfair attacks and lies, i do it with Cain. (a fault of mine perhaps), I just hate unjust attacks from our side, i want proof first i guess, maybe that isn't savvy politically on my part, but it's what it is.

217 Cain has been taking fire and has received growing support due to the publicÂ’s distaste for character assassination, but no serious observer of politics can conceive of him getting the nomination. Well...Mitt might have to take-in seriously...or he can keep playing patty cake with him. We know Gingrich didn't take Cain seriously during their debate...so either Gringrich doesn't want it bad enough or he thinks there is no risk to treating Cain like a trifle.

218 As mentioned previously, itÂ’s not too late for someone to jump in. Yes, it is. But keep dreaming. Someone around here needs hope. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 10:48 AM (8y9MW) I don't know this might just be the year where we have a convention surprise after the first round? yeah I know I'm dreaming, but what else do I got

219

You have 53 seconds to reply.

>>>Can he toss the question to Newt?

 

9-9-9

220 Alright, Fox Business has played this fucking Perry clip about 8 times this morning. Don't they have some Lingerie Football lesbian scandal they can report on? I'm ambivalent about Perry, but this media ass-probe is making me like him more.

221 laceyunderalls at November 10, 2011 10:50 AM LOL,You are quick.

222 You can't buy alcohol in Connecticut on Sundays.  Hell, you can't buy it after a certain time on Saturday night.

Can you purchase in Massachusetts border towns near you, or do they only open near New Hampshire?

223
 I've said this numerous times, it's nearly irrelevant who (Romney/Perry) prevails in the general, what's every bit as  vital is we achieve ironclad control of the House and Senate--to the extent that the Dems can't even play a spoiler role.  Such a majority would act as a restraint on liberal (Romney) impulse to "reach across", and an invaluable aid to further (Perry) conservative agendas.  Failing that--well, no more need be said.

224 and anyway abo. if it is romney i guess our job is work hard to get the senate and congress red. make him comply if he wanders.

225

191
I give a hearty "FU" to all those Perry supporters who jumped on the destroy Cain with innuendo bandwagon.

How's my ass taste now?

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at November 10, 2011 10:43 AM (7+pP9)

 

I would like to echo this sentiment to all those Perry supporters who couldnÂ’t post enough “Palin isnÂ’t ready for primetime” comments. 

 

You sure can pick ‘em.

226 Do you really drink that much on a Saturday night?

Depends and it normally isn't a problem for me. I usually stay pretty well supplied. Its the rest of the shit that aggravates me.

227

>>>I don't know this might just be the year where we have a convention surprise after the first round? yeah I know I'm dreaming, but what else do I got

 

No we won't. If I am not mistaken, the delegates are required to cast their votes for the people who won.

This isn't the early 20th century. There will be no brokered convention. Whoever wins the most delegates will win the nomination. The GOP will fall into line.

228 You can't buy alcohol in Connecticut on Sundays. Hell, you can't buy it after a certain time on Saturday night. Can you purchase in Massachusetts border towns near you, or do they only open near New Hampshire? Posted by: parochial fluffy at November 10, 2011 10:51 AM (4Kl5M) I think the liquor store on base at the Sub Base in Groton might be open, but unless you have a military ID, I guess you'd have to climb the fence and I don't suggest doing that

229 My dream scenario at this point.....

Gingrich inches up a bit as I do believe Perry is Texas Toast. Gingrich says "you know, I don't really want to do this for eight years but I love my country and I would be proud to be your placeholder until 2016. That's why I've selected Lt. Col. Allen West as my running mate.

Pass the smelling salts.

230

Cain deserved every bit of heat he took after his racist rock bullshit.

F him and his 999 bullshit. When does his Romney endorsement happen?

 

231

>>I would like to echo this sentiment to all those Perry supporters who couldnÂ’t post enough “Palin isnÂ’t ready for primetime” comments.  You sure can pick ‘em.

 

How did that work out again? With Palin?

232 How you feelin', Vic?

233 How's my ass taste now?

Like incompetence, exactly as before.

234 I bet Herman Cain slipped Rick Perry a roofie - because now that all the focus is on Perry's "uh-uh-uh-ooops" we have forgotten all about the "scandal."

235 Rick Perry on Laura Ingraham. He's being very good-natured about yesterday's, ahem, event. He seems like a great guy. I really hope he rises to the top, although that seems unlikely.

236

 jwest at November 10, 2011 10:52 AM

You mean Saint Sarah the Perpetual Victim? Half Term?

She never intended to run. I can back that up by referring you to her next book title, "How I Almost Ran for President as a Maverick Rogue".

237 And apologies if I screwed up the military abbreviations - I realize that's prob not right. Hope it's not disrespectful. Typing fast at work.

238 Gingrich could have decimated Cain during that debate and most of us know it-yet Gingrich made the choice not to do that. If you paid $200 to hear that "prize fight" you'd want your money back. Gingrich didn't go about it in an authentic matter-it wasn't a debate it was more like a colloquy.

239 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

240 what's every bit as  vital is we achieve ironclad control of the House and Senate

First: Not going to happen.  Gerrymandering works.

Second: if the base can't support whoever the nominee is (and, like others, I suspect it'll be Romney, as much as that makes me want to retch), then we won't get the turn-out necessary to take the Senate.

If, on the other hand, we have an energized base, then there is a chance (however slim) that we take the senate comfortably enough to make the Democrats there an afterthought.

241 Depends and it normally isn't a problem for me. I usually stay pretty well supplied. Its the rest of the shit that aggravates me. Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2011 10:52 AM I don't think the Gov. should have the right to tell any business owner when they should open and close or when they can or can't sell a legal product.

242

How did that work out again? With Palin?

Posted by: Ben at November 10, 2011 10:53 AM (wuv1c)

 

Not too bad.  Palin is still viable while Perry is Texas Toast.

243 Can you purchase in Massachusetts border towns near you, or do they only open near New Hampshire?

Posted by: parochial fluffy at November 10, 2011 10:51 AM (4Kl5M)

Don't know....I'm not near the Mass. border.  I'm close to NY border.

244 LOL,You are quick.

Well it was right there for the taking!

245

Doesn't Utah still have blue laws and block alcohol sales on Sun?  I was thinking SC and UT were the last two holdouts, with UT being the only one West of the big river.

Posted by: Vic at November 10, 2011 10:43 AM (YdQQY)

Not hardly. No booze on Sunday in Arkansas. At least from the liquor stores.

246

>>Not too bad. Palin is still viable while Perry is Texas Toast.

 

Uhuh. Tell yourself that.

247 I think the liquor store on base at the Sub Base in Groton might be open, but unless you have a military ID, I guess you'd have to climb the fence and I don't suggest doing that

I think my wife was born there. FIL was a career man in the Coast Guard.

I've got southern NH for all my alcohol shopping needs :--)

248 The most annoying thing about our liquor laws is the difficulty in buying wine.  I need it for cooking, and for drinking, and it's a royal pain to have to haul my carcass to the state liquour store to find it.  Also, a place like Cost Plus World Market, which was a terrific place to find fun, inexpensive bottles of wine, is not an option here.

249 Well my first choice is "Somebody not on the ballot at the moment" but if you put a loaded gun to my head and make me choose I guess Newt out of a process of elimination. Posted by: nevergiveup at November 10, 2011 10:49 AM Newt-oh okay...damn what was with him and that Lincoln Douglas debate-does he not take Cain seriously? Someone not on the ballot...

250 sigh, how to win friends and allies. page 9023463558

251 I don't think the Gov. should have the right to tell any business owner when they should open and close or when they can or can't sell a legal product.

Meh.  At the state level I'm more or less okay with "blue laws."  They're annoying and a relic of a time gone by, but they're not all that bad, IMO.  And, again, it's at the State and Local level where such things should be done (if they're going to be) because that gives the citizenry the best chance to change them if they so desire.

252 I don't think the Gov. should have the right to tell any business owner when they should open and close or when they can or can't sell a legal product.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 10, 2011 10:55 AM (ZDUD4)

I agree with that 100%. Unfortunately when the repealed prohibition they did it in a way that allows the States unlimited control over alcohol sales. But as I said, its the other stuff that bothers me. 

Don't know....I'm not near the Mass. border.  I'm close to NY border.

When I lived in NY in the early 70s they still had blue laws. I think they have eliminated them now.

253 209
I'll say it again:

I give a hearty "FU" to all those Perry supporters who jumped on the destroy Cain with innuendo bandwagon.

How's my ass taste now?

You have 53 seconds to reply.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at November 10, 2011 10:47 AM (7+pP9)

Because Cain is a perfect candidate otherwise? Just don't ask him a question that can't be answered 9-9-9.

So a hearty "FU" right back at ya'

I'm sure you've read it but don't want to believe it: While Romney and Perry have spent the last few days in IA, St. Cain was in--wait for it--Alabama and Arizona. Who have their primary's on March 13, 2012 and February 28, 2012. Neither states having any clout on the nomination. We're less than 60 days away from a vote in Iowa. And Cain is dicking around in states that don't count and don't vote for nearly 120 days.

Who's the serious candidates again?

But that's ok: Cain will--WILL--endorse Romney by March 31, 2012. Cain will never endorse anyone else. He has a history of splitting the conservative vote to allow the liberal to win, why should he change now?

254 I'm still voting for him, but I'm not going to spend much time defending him. Either he wins people over or he doesn't.  I will however continue to point out my amazement of how all of his gaffes are considered campaign ending, but Cain's are swept under the rug.

I can certainly see where your continued support for a flawed candidate is noble and just but someone else's support for their flawed candidate makes them an idiot and borderline lunatic. It's hard but I can do it.

255 does he not take Cain seriously? No he doesn't. He treats him like Corky the grocery bagger that broke his eggs.

256

 jwest at November 10, 2011 10:55 AM

Maybe you can help her sell enough books to get that desperately needed spine transplant then.

257 Don't know....I'm not near the Mass. border.  I'm close to NY border.

Are there New Yorkers flocking to CT convenience stores to stock up on tobacco in your area?

258

Again, it appears some of the die hards live in an altered reality. Go back and read this site. We were savaging Cain on his awful 9-9-9 plan and his lack of knowledge on anything pertaining to foreign policy weeks before this whole harassment thing came up.

He was a shitty candidate before the harassment charges, he still is a shitty candidate.

 

Posted by: Ben at November 10, 2011 10:47 AM (wuv1c)

You, Ben, and a few others were. Most of 'em, however, popped out of the septic tank after the sexual allegations.

Perry was actually my favorite "not Romney" candidate but I could never get really enthused by him because of how horrible his campaign is. I only supported Cain because I couldn't stand the vitriol from our side based upon innuendo. I'm no Newt fan but I do admire his chutzpah when it came to stupid debate questions.

For all you Perry supporters, admit it:

It's over. After last night's 53 seconds he wears the mark of Cain.

And I detest Romney. So to all you Perry supporters I hereby welcome y'all to my hell of the boned.

259 It's funny this turned into a liquor thread.

We're all going to need it. Desperately.

260

Morning rons... just skimming thru the comments.. yeah I have noticed Jane not here in quite awhile.  Hope someone can find out if she's okay.  Praying all is well. 

The Perry flub was unfortunate... but let's wait and see before we all start writing him off.  It WAS painful to watch though. 

I wanted to shove my fist in Bartiroma's face.  Or whatever that bitches name is.  God, she was annoying.

261 And I detest Romney. So to all you Perry supporters I hereby welcome y'all to my hell of the boned. Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at November 10, 2011 11:00 AM Will you be having Coffee and muffins?

262 Meh.  At the state level I'm more or less okay with "blue laws."

State liquor stores are asinine.  Our liquor board (or whatever the heck it's called) here just went through a big scandal because of corruption at the top, including nepotism in purchasing contracts.  Nepotism is a huge problem in Utah because everyone is related and they know they're related because geneaology is a huge preoccupation in the LDS community. 

263
Are there New Yorkers flocking to CT convenience stores to stock up on tobacco in your area?

Posted by: fluffy at November 10, 2011 11:00 AM (4Kl5M)

Probably....but from what I've seen CT towns close to the border have pretty high prices for tobacco products too maybe not as high as NY but still up there.

264 Newt is doing EXCEPTIONALLY well at keeping the message of attacking the Media and Obama. What good does it do him to put a shiv in someone else who carries a conservative message?

265

" What good does it do him to put a shiv in someone else who carries a conservative message? "

The GOP nomination.

266 I only supported Cain because I couldn't stand the vitriol from our side based upon innuendo.

That is kind of a bizarre reason for supporting a candidate. I couldn't stand the rush to judgement based on innuendo either, but it really doesn't make Cain any better a candidate.

267 I'm a Perry/Gingrich guy. I'll stick with them because I think they've got the most on the ball. I've been thinking about this "political process" , as it's so amusingly called, and I've come up with a couple of thoughts. American politics is not a meritocracy (see - Obama). It's merely entertainment and American Idol, wrapped up in identity politics and personal prejudice, er, preference. (see - Obama). I think tribalism is probably the controlling force in most cases. (see - Obama).
I've been a little butt-hurt about Perry because I really believe he's been good at his job, but he hasn't performed well on the show tour, but hey, whatever. When it's all over, he can just go back to his real job, and the others, they can just go, I guess.
The country can elect whoever they want for the reasons I think they use (see above, see - Obama). I'm done worrying about it. I can vote but I can't change the country. Pretty much a loss of faith in the place. This rant is not directed at any moron here, but at the damned process. We're not the process, we're just enveloped in it. I'll vote my own conscience, and screw the "polls".

268

>>>I can certainly see where your continued support for a flawed candidate is noble and just but someone else's support for their flawed candidate makes them an idiot and borderline lunatic. It's hard but I can do it.

I said I will support him, but I will not continue to defend him. He flubbed. Unlike supporters of other candidates, I'm not going to pretend that he's a snickers bar when he really just might be a swimming pool turd.

That's the difference. I'm not going to wish reality away because I back him.  He has to win people over on his own.

If people decide to speak poorly of him or point out his flaws, fine. He's deserving of it, but that door swings both ways.

However, it doesn't really matter now does it? All the Not-Romney's are tainted. It's going to be Romney.  Prepare yourself accordingly.

269 Newt is doing EXCEPTIONALLY well at keeping the message of attacking the Media and Obama. What good does it do him to put a shiv in someone else who carries a conservative message?

Posted by: blaster at November 10, 2011 11:03 AM (7vSU0)

a frkn men

270

The Perry flub was unfortunate... but let's wait and see before we all start writing him off.  It WAS painful to watch though. 

It is unfortunate that Perry doesn't have great debate endurance.  I thought he was doing fine until that point.  We should wait and see for a few days if this brain-fart is a fatal blow to Perry's campaign.  I would hope not, but who knows?

The one thing I did enjoy about this debate was that the panel weren't taking pot shots at other members, but at Obama and even the moderators (Newt, like a bad habit, I cannot quit you).   Surprisingly, Michelle Bachmann looked sane and I thought she had one of the best answers of all the debate questions wrt China.  Where were these people 2 months ago?

271 We're all going to need it. Desperately.

Now if only I actually drank...

Will you be having Coffee and muffins?

And will they be $16 muffins?

State liquor stores are asinine.

??? There are state liquor stores?  All of ours are local.  They do have to be licensed (just like bars) by the TABC, but they're local- and subject to local restrictions, too.  Which is why some cities/counties in Texas are still completely "dry."

272 I'll give him this, he goes right into the lion's den....

@ByronYork: Perry says he's going on Letterman tonight. @IngrahamAngle tries to warn him offÂ…

273 No he doesn't. He treats him like Corky the grocery bagger that broke his eggs. Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 10, 2011 10:59 AM LOL!

274 " What good does it do him to put a shiv in someone else who carries a conservative message? " The GOP nomination. That worked for Bachmann, right?

275 Prepare yourself accordingly.

/lays in a four-year supply of MacAllan

276

Tami at November 10, 2011 11:05 AM

I remember Dole went on Letterman after he lost to Clinton. He did a very good job, was funny, engaging, in short, not Bob Dole.

He should have done that two months before the general election.

 

277 For all you Perry supporters, admit it:

It's over. After last night's 53 seconds he wears the mark of Cain.

And I detest Romney. So to all you Perry supporters I hereby welcome y'all to my hell of the boned.
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at November 10, 2011 11:00 AM

I have three words for you: bullshit.

All this emphasis on debating skills has totally gone over the edge. It's a longstanding meme over at NRO and elsewhere: Mutt Romney and The Newt look like candidates, they talk nice, and they're From Our Crowd. Therefore, never mind what they have/haven't done, what their true positions are -- on any given day -- or what effect they might have on dismantling the Osama Obama regime's totalitarian machinery.

Yeah, sit on your ass and whinge and Perry is done. Ditto Cain. Acknowledge the All-Consuming Mastery of The Newt, or the Inevitability of Mutt Romney. And lose big in '12 to a traitor who should already be behind bars.

278 You know you want me.

279 The one thing I did enjoy about this debate was that the panel weren't taking pot shots at other members, but at Obama and even the moderators

Yeah, that was a pleasant change of pace.

280 OT/ For developer types- if anyone ever read's Ayende Rahien's blog- something seems to have broken it.  I mention this, because he runs his own custom blog software that he often brags about.

It's kind of funny to me.

Okay, back to DOOM!

281 Has Sarah Palin been on tv lately?  I don't watch much but someone told me both her and Pat Buchanan have been MIA.

Would be too funny if she has a secret grass roots organization and she's filed in every state and the press missed it or something.

282 Someday in the dark future, I expect there to be  post about Iran threatening to use their newly acquired nuclear weapons and when I read the comments it'll be Y-Not talking about Utah.

Off hand, other then chi-town jerri, I cant think of what state any of the rest of you live in.

283

Still on the Perry wagon. .....He has the best record of actually doing something, instead of talking about it.

I hate these dumbass debates.

Perry should show up in a leather kilt at the next one. .....All the women there would be in a trance and not even notice anything he said.

 

Oh, and:

Happy Birthday, Marines!

*tears open blouse.....flashes boobies for the Marines*

284 As if the Chicago Way wasn't bad enough, now Chris Rock thinks we need some ghetto-style Gangsta Shit?

I'm saying "Never," Chris.  Never.

285 Oh and 'Princess Nancy' was a laugh riot & it sent libs right over the edge on twitter last night. Not Presidential material but damn if I didn't get a good laugh from Herm on that one.

286

>>I remember Dole went on Letterman after he lost to Clinton. He did a very good job, was funny, engaging, in short, not Bob Dole.He should have done that two months before the general election.

 

It's funny you should mention that, because I thought the best speech Mitt Romney ever gave was his concession speech at CPAC.  For whatever reason, when candidates lose they are much more likeable and relaxed.

287 Newt is doing EXCEPTIONALLY well at keeping the message of attacking the Media and Obama. What good does it do him to put a shiv in someone else who carries a conservative message? Well...I was all for Conservatives doing their own debates till the Lincoln Douglas kabuki theatre. I'm beginning to think the reason Republicans do better in the general election debates is they get tested by the Liberal media-the same Liberal media that conducts the general election debates. Cain needs to be prepared for that and Gingrich did nothing to challenge Cain directly- I think it is because Gingrich does not take Cain seriously-and that might be a huge mistake.

288 Prior to the downturn, it was possible to get a high-paying job with pretty much any major as long as you had a degree; the degree itself and not the course of study was the important thing.

Say what? I don't think this has been true for at least 30 years. The baby boom generation inundated the colleges and the huge excess of graduates really diluted the market value of the 4-year degree.

If you're someone connected, such as Chelsea Clinton, you can graduate with a B.A. and then be offered a $100,000/yr. position at an East Coast firm, but this sort of thing is only for the elite few. Schlubs like us have to prove our worth again and again with a degree in something that the market is currently demanding, not to mention endless certifications and re-certifications.

289 For whatever reason, when candidates lose they are much more likeable and relaxed.

In that case, I look forward to the time when Obama is likeable!

290

 blaster at November 10, 2011 11:06 AM

She fouled up when she went along with the idea that a vaccine given to an 11 year old could cause DNA damage and Downs Syndrome.

291 Damnit! Have I missed it or am I the only one here who watches that show "Gold Rush?"

Fuck that Dakota Fred. If it was me, your ass would be sued for tortuous interference with a contract and I'd have the mine owner in court for quatum meruit. And then I'd file a lis pendens and shut the mine down. Even if you lose, they're out of business too.

'Course, the Hoffmans are near retarded too, not running any of their contracts by an attorney first. You mean to tell me you can get people to invest tens of thousands of dollars but you can't afford one hour of a good attorney's time?

292 ??? There are state liquor stores?

Yep, those are the only places you can buy wine, hard alcohol, or beer above a certain proof (like any Belgian beer!).  The wine regs are the biggest hassle for me because I cook with wine a lot. 

Because of the scandalous mismanagement they were losing money, so the state was/is threatening to close the (only) two in Provo/Orem (population 500,000).  The funny thing is that the locals didn't want to lose the revenue, even though Provo/Orem is something like 80 or 90% LDS (although admittedly there are a fair number of "Jack" Mormons in that figure) so the state relented, at least for now. 

293

" I thought the best speech Mitt Romney ever gave was his concession speech at CPAC."

Agreed.

294 FRANNKS AND BEANS!

295 I don't see the harm in Letterman at this point. It really was that bad.

He can only go up, right? Right??

296

Rub the paint off a so-called "progressive", and you usually find a totalitarian Statist underneath.

 

I was unaware of any difference between to two.

297 _{??? There are state liquor stores?  All of ours are local.  They do have to be licensed (just like bars) by the TABC, but they're local- and subject to local restrictions, too.  Which is why some cities/counties in Texas are still completely "dry."}

There may still be some dry towns left in Massachusetts. I grew up in a suburb of Boston that was slow to change over. Liquor stores are private, but heavily regulated and licensing is a pain. They sell everything, from beer to booze. In smaller towns, there are some exceptions, where general stores might sell beer & wine, but they are quite rare.

In NH, part of the Mass alcohol picture, the state runs liquor stores, selling wine & spirits, no beer. They sell beer & wine in grocery and convenience stores.

298 I imagine Limbaugh's going to open his show with a 1%bama's 3-minute montage of filler utterances. Like I said, I'm less and less bothered by Perry's gaffe and admire him for going on the offensive.

299
Will you be having Coffee and muffins?

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 10, 2011 11:01 AM (ZDUD4)

No. And break time is over -- back on your head.

300 304, LOL, I know that joke.

301

Ace must have hit the Val-U-Rite pretty hard last night after the debate.  ItÂ’s taking a long time to get a post up.

302 we need Friday Doom!!!!!!!!!!

303
I only supported Cain because I couldn't stand the vitriol from our side based upon innuendo.

That is kind of a bizarre reason for supporting a candidate. I couldn't stand the rush to judgement based on innuendo either, but it really doesn't make Cain any better a candidate.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 10, 2011 11:04 AM (SPC42)

That was a poor choice of words on my part. I should've said defend instead of support.

304 we need Friday Doom!!!!!!!!!! Monty does a great job and works hard. He deserves a day off.

305 A lib just told me that Perry did that deliberately because he is jealous of all the attention that herman cain and ron paul are getting.

I mean...I was speechless

306 He deserves a day off.

But DOOM never sleeps!

307 But DOOM never sleeps! Then it will still be there on Monday.

308 # 308 Same here. I defend him because I'm pissed at the Left, and somehow I wrap up batting him around like a cat-toy with those bastards. Projection, whatever.

309 Like I said, I'm less and less bothered by Perry's gaffe and admire him for going on the offensive.

Same here.  I'm worried though that this gaffe will be all that some people remember from the debate and judge Perry more harshly than what is really due because of it.  We'll see though. 

It's too bad we can't merge candidates together because Newt/Perry would make one hell of a team and they would complement each other.

310 What's the de-brief from last night... lessons learned? Never look at Ron Paul for more than 30 seconds. Never address Ron Paul during your answer to the moderators.... Never look at Ron Paul's fingers-and try to figure out what Ron Paul is saying before you say what you have to say. Try to get assigned a spot away from.... you guessed it.. Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the black hole the graveyard where all good answers go to die.

311 It's too bad we can't merge candidates together because Newt/Perry would make one hell of a team and they would complement each other.

Perry/Gingrich 2012:  We'll kick your @ss and then explain why.

312 Perry/Gingrich 2012: We'll kick your @ss and then explain why. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 10, 2011 11:22 AM Perfect. Got Shtuff to do, later rons.

313 Allen, does that mean Perry will do the kicking / and Newt will explain why?

314 I only supported Cain because I couldn't stand the vitriol from our side based upon innuendo.

And people call me crazy.

315 @310

Yea, I recall when Alvin Green appeared, and my far left facebook friends were convinced he was a republican plant.  Cleaned up my "friends" list after that.   You gotta be careful with stupid of that concentration,  minimal exposure well rinsed with mockery is safe but prolonged exposure is bound to have damaging effects.

316 However, it doesn't really matter now does it? All the Not-Romney's are tainted. It's going to be Romney.  Prepare yourself accordingly.

I fully expect we're going to get stuck with Romney. From my perspective, his response to Perry on Social Security put him firmly in the third tier candidates. That was the real old-style politicking and indicated to me that he hasn't got a clue on the financial hellstorm that's coming. I'll wind up voting for whoever is the GOP candidate (admittedly probably going to be Romney).  The future is looking very bleak.

317 Nobody thinks Newt might be our nominee? His ripping apart the media in all the debates is reason enough to forget his couch-sitting with Pelosi. Like it or not since our beginning we elect Presidents based on the debate process, just the way it is, you can complain all day long it is not fair to someone as substantial with their record as Perry. But the debates is the audition for the job, it will not change. Even Gore probably lost the election that was his by his horrible debate performances against Bush. I have been watching since Nixon and Newt is the best I have ever seen. His answer about the cost of college tuition was brilliant. His knowledge of Government is encyclopedic. If these moderators asked about some obscure little department in Government, Newt would give you the history, and then offer a link to an article he wrote 3 years ago on how to change or get rid of that department. I think Newt will continue to go up in the polls, Cain will freeze, and then drop. Romney will stay the same...it will ultimately be between Romney and Newt. Additionally Newt seems to be the only one actually aware that the MSM is part of the Democratic party and is an enemy of conservatives, America, and freedom. I enjoy his ruthless attacks on the moderators and their wrong-premise questions

318 Aw jeez -- they've got the PSU press conference on talk radio right now and it's dragging on and on...

Looks like it'll preempt the first hour of Rush at this point.

319 DOOM? So this is the Penn State thread?

320 Wasn't global warming going to kill us in 5 years 10 years ago?

321 OT (again- hey, we're past 300 comments, what did you expect?): http://bit.ly/tcaIPO

Lesson Kiddies: Don't tweet about criminal activity if the Cartels can track you down.

Better Lesson?: Drug Cartels should be treated as the terrorist organizations they are and every member should be hunted down and taken off the streets- one way or another.

322

"Update: The masochism. It hurts. Rick Perry tells Laura Ingraham this morning that heÂ’ll be appearing on the David Letterman show and possible the Daily Show with Jon Stewart."

I rarely go to Malkin's site but I'm guessing she isn't part of the perry cult.  wonder who she does support, anyone know?

323 This thread is starting to smell like stale booze.

324 Allen, does that mean Perry will do the kicking / and Newt will explain why?

Yes.  I really don't think it would work the other way 'round, do you?

325
    Nearly forgot---to all the Marines here--Happy Birthday from the Army.


   Well done.

326 This thread is starting to smell like stale booze.

No.  That's cat pee.

327 328 This thread is starting to smell like stale booze.

Not here in Utah!

328 mmmmmm. muffins.

329 Morning all, I have an OT thing that came up in our local paper yesterday, and I would appreciate your take on it. Eglin AFB and Hurlburt AFB are going to lose 451 civilian jobs in the Panetta cuts. The jobs are primarily engineering positions that deal with weapons and system development, and quite a few are being transferred to Edwards AFB in California. (46th Test wing, main test organization within the Air Armament Center.) Also the two star command billet of the Air Armament Center is being moved to Wright Patterson AFB, from Eglin. The area is looking at losing a minimum of 35 million dollars in jobs/salaries. What really struck me though, was the fact that the command and testing duties are being moved from a conservative voting area to two liberal voting areas. There is no real savings in moving these duties, since the infrastructure and support already exist at Eglin. It seems like a punitive decision against the voters/citizens of the region who the current Administration wants to shiv. If you can correct me on my theory, I would really appreciate it, because I am beginning to feel all conspiracy-minded, and I don't like foil hats. They mess up my hair.

330 It's going to be difficult to write a post today.  How many times can you rehash Cain.  the Perry thing is a "wait and see" kind of thing and it's be hashed and rehashed.  The Penn State thing has also been hashed and rehashed and just get people depressed.  I don't envy ace and the co bloggers, trying to come up with something that is funny and interesting on such a serious day after.

331 AllenG
allen it's possible Newt could do both.

but fine. yes it was obvious, but i'm slow.

332 Ok I have decided.

Bring back the 90's  NEWT 2012

333 If you can correct me on my theory, I would really appreciate it, because I am beginning to feel all conspiracy-minded, and I don't like foil hats. They mess up my hair.

I don't know enough about the subject matter to know if there is a reasonable explanation, but I will say that believing that a bureaucrat would be acting to punish one area and benefit another (for whatever reason) is not "conspiracy-minded."  That's actually fairly normal.

334 Well at least there is some good news: Noriega: Chávez cancer progressing faster than expected A former official in the Bush administration said in a column that President Hugo Chávez is in worse health than he has let on.

335 fluffs moki's hair, and shoves the hat back on.

336 Eglin AFB and Hurlburt AFB are going to lose 451 civilian jobs in the Panetta cuts. The jobs are primarily engineering positions that deal with weapons and system development, and quite a few are being transferred to Edwards AFB in California. (46th Test wing, main test organization within the Air Armament Center.) Also the two star command billet of the Air Armament Center is being moved to Wright Patterson AFB, from Eglin. The area is looking at losing a minimum of 35 million dollars in jobs/salaries. Holy...%$^ Ummm the only thing I can think of right now besides what you put up..... What is the "exercise area" around Eglin/Hurlburt did that get boxed in even further? I know at another area...it gets impeded by ironically enough- The Department of Energy...

337 I used to be irritated with watching rubber burn when Bush was talking. Perry does the same thing, is it the water in Texas? I know Perry would probably do a better job, is probably the real conservative up there, but a greater part of the job since Radio is to articulate and sell your program. Perry could not sell me an Air Conditioner in Death Valley. Newt could sell me a heater in Phoenix in July, and give me a history lesson on the life-cycle of Prickly Pear cactus and why and how we can end federal subsidies to cactus farms.

338

322....Additionally Newt seems to be the only one actually aware that the MSM is part of the Democratic party and is an enemy of conservatives, America, and freedom. I enjoy his ruthless attacks on the moderators and their wrong-premise questions.

Which is precisely why the MSM will go all out to vilify and destroy him....if he is our nominee.

Yeah, I know.....they will try to do that to whomever is nominee. But with Newt, it will be personal. It will be an all out jihad.

I love Newt. But people seem to be forgetting how badly the media ganged up on him back when he was Speaker. When he quit, they were insufferable smug about it. They will be even more vicious this time.

339 Additionally Newt seems to be the only one actually aware that the MSM is part of the Democratic party and is an enemy of conservatives, America, and freedom. I enjoy his ruthless attacks on the moderators and their wrong-premise questions Posted by: Jehu at November 10, 2011 11:26 AM

I ask you the same question I ask all those who are mesmerized by The Newt:

What has he actually accomplished while livin' large on the public teat, and later when he has relied on donations to keep him from having to take, you know, a real job?

Talking, no matter how well, doesn't count.

I fear we are going to lose in '12, for two major reasons: 1) We are seemingly accepting the inevitability of a faux "conservative" whose message is, to be charitable, inconsistent; and 2) we are going all "American Idol" with our politics, micro-analyzing debate performances and confusing them with substance.

It would be easy to say "we deserve what we get" for such stupidity. But that means the rest of us get boned along with the dummies.

340 moki, i hope you are feeling alright.

341 I think given the levels of disdain for Romney, a second look at Newt is absolutely necessary.

342 ok, so joe in pa just posted to the headline thread and I burst into tears.  I've had enough of this penn state story and it just keeps getting worse.

343

344 What has he actually accomplished while livin' large on the public teat, and later when he has relied on donations to keep him from having to take, you know, a real job?

He actually lead the Republican Revolution in the 90s pretty ably.  And you can complain that what the Contract with America accomplished wasn't nearly enough, but it (however briefly) was a step in the right direction.  On top of that, he's got a good head for policy- when he'll use it.

Mainly, though, I think you're probably right.  Which is why I'm still supporting Perry- even though I think that's a lost cause.

345 Between Newt and Romney, I'd go with Newt. 

I know he's flawed, but he's actually won battles at the federal level that Mitt would not even try to tackle. 

But I'm with Perry for the ride. 


O/T: Poor little old man Joe Paterno is worth roughly $20 million.  I swear if that man gets on tv and plays the victim for being fired at aged 84, I'm throwing a brick through the tv. 

346 349

Posted by: Rick Perry at November 10, 2011 11:39 AM (sqkOB)

Don't worry.  It'll come to you...

347

“In Britain we face the prospect of more frequent droughts and a rising wave of floods The extraordinary summer heatwave of 2003 in Europe resulted in over 35,000 extra deaths.”

-Gordon Shithead Brown,

October 2009

348
We risk floods AND droughts if we do not stop global warming.

349 We risk floods AND droughts if we do not stop global warming.

Not to mention blizzards an record heat-waves.


Of course- we risk all of those things anyway, so I'm not really sure what the problem is...

350

PerryDog was crossing Debate Road and was run over by a truck.

 

Now we have children gathered around the vet saying: “He’s gonna be OK, isn’t he Doc?”

 

ItÂ’s time for the adults to tell the kids that PerryDog is going away to big farm where he can run and play without worrying about Debate Road anymore.  TheyÂ’ll know deep down that heÂ’s dead, but at least the picture of him romping through the fictitious farm will sooth their minds.

351 Gee willow, that's kinda harsh. Actually, I have had a really, really bad week, healthwise, and have been out of the loop for a while. Some other complications have come up, and we are praying it's not metastasizing. As for the AFB's, I really hope it's just cuts, but ALL of the congressmen/ state representatives are R's, and Bill Nelson, our Senator, hates the area. The region was hit hard by the BP spill in 2010, and hasn't recovered. This will be another huge blow, and a swim in the Gulf by SCOAMF just won't work any miracles.

352 soothsayer, i thought with obamas election the oceans would recede and all that stuff? you mean that was only a hope?

353 Hang in there, moki.

354 (356 just joking with you, actually it was quite funny)

355 "

Ugh. Now it's raining cats and dogs here in Central NC. Not exactly conducive to my plans for the day. I feel like I recently walked under a ladder while breaking a mirror after a black cat ran in front of me. Maybe I should be out looking for four-leafed clovers rather than rocks.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 10, 2011 09:27 AM (Qjh0I) "

Maybe after the rain u'll get a rainbow and then a pot of gold

356 Moki, sorry to hear that news, will pray . fight , fight and fight some more!
afb_ i'm reminded of the car lots back in the day being shut down if they were in the wrong/right districts.
at this point i assume if a dem district wants money funds will head their way. i could be wrong, but that's what i believe these days (takes your tinfoil press's it into a nicer shape shoves it on my head)

357 Perry still turned in a better performance than Obama usually does without a teleprompter.

358 I remember watching some gerbil worming special with James Burke of Connections fame back in the late '80s or early '90s ... hey, it's on Google Video - After The Warming. It was done as a show from the future (2040 or 2050 or something), explaining all that had been done up to that point to mitigate the dreaded AGW menace. As I recall, the upshot was "we're fucked no matter what", so I'm not sure what exactly the point was. I may watch it again to see what other predictions were made.

359 "Looks like Newt is the only anti-Romney candidate now."
---------------

No, looks like Newt is the only Anti-Obama candidate left.

360 Willow and Y-Not, Many thanks y'all. Surgery is next Tuesday, so I hope I am clear on Wednesday. One of my friends lost their Chrysler dealership in Waco when SCOAMF closed the conservative ones. He had the highest sales in the country, never showed a loss, but was closed. If Romney gets the nomination, I hope to hell he starts fighting for all of us, and doesn't piss away the chance to put the country right, but I am not completely hopeful about that. But he's still got to be better than what we have now.

361 Some keep insisting that Presidents are elected based on substance. Really? Not with our media, especially our Dem Presidents. Now the media is so pervasive if you do not have someone that is trained and knows how to handle the media they will lose. Know why Palin was destroyed? She had NO awareness of how evil our media has become. Newt knows this as someone pointed out he suffered personally from their bias and attacks. Newt gets it and is taking the battle to the media. Perry is the wrong person, if he wins the candidacy he will be destroyed in the general, he seems not to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Want to know the secret of Reagan? His programs were not all that brilliant. Just control inflation and lower taxes. Economy rebounds naturally. Reagan knew to focus on one or two things and execute. Reagan was a trained actor, he knew the media, knew presentation, was nearly a genius in his use of the media. Liberals have been selling us slick media cardboard cut-outs since Kennedy...they instinctively know the packaging is the product. Conservatives, because we base things on substance and principle...we think everyone else does/should. Well they do not, or we would never have heard of Paris Hilton, or the Kardashians. We have got to accept that slow plodding accomplishments will not sell beyond the conservative base. Get wise, in this to win as much as we can, not to have our ideals confirmed. Some of the lasting damage done to us by Bush is that he never fought the media and the lies published about him...all above it, all a gentleman. Well he killed the Republican brand! We have to have a nasty in the trench gut-fighter, but one who smiles while he puts the knife to them. If you recognize the media as the enemy and take it to them, well the American people actually HATE the media, after the initial shock they will delight in what you are doing, like David against Goliath. Accept no fucking premise of the media, when they talk about how can you cut taxes the government will not be getting its accustomed share? Take that on, mention that there is no inherit right for the government to take some ever growing share, it is NOT their money! When they whine about the rich not paying their fair share, mention that 47% pay nothing, should they then vote? Is there representation without taxation? Turn it all on its head!

362 Stay strong and get well, Moki. You've got a ton of morons pulling for you!

_{Uhhh...that last sentence was meant to make ya feel better. Really....}

363 Jehu-very well spoken! Mr. Scribbler, it DOES make me feel better! The morons and the moronettes are some truly awesome people!!!

364 moki said :Willow and Y-Not,

Many thanks y'all. Surgery is next Tuesday, so I hope I am clear on Wednesday.

will keep the prayers going through-out .  you are getting in quickly. which is good

365

366 @349

Well said.

367 Jehu, +1

368 @370   

even better

369

 Rick Perry at November 10, 2011 11:39 AM

Threadwinner

370

Moki:

OXOXXOXOXO

371 The wailing and gnashing of teeth over the Perry stumble is over-the-top ridiculous.  Get a grip.  There's a lot of time left and if you don't pace yourselves you'll be hanging from the shower curtain rod by Spring.

372

Actually, O'barfy has had several brain farts on camera, hasn't seemed to hurt him. His folks stuck with him thru the embarrassing moments.

Cons who like Perry ought to do likewise...

373 #363

I remember that one. I was very disappointed to see how much he'd swallowed the Kool-Aid.

But then, Burke's specialty is hindsight, coming up with interesting relations between well documented historical events. He is apparently out of his depth when it comes to dealing with people who claim to know the future. He pretty much peaked with the second Connections series.

374 If you want to see a complete mental collapse on camera, look up some pressers from LA Mayor Tony Villar.

375 Shocka! Revenues are not streaming in to CA as hoped and prayed for expected !

Jerry Brown's budget is now totally in the shit. It's trigger time.

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