October 18, 2011

DOOM: It stays crunchy in milk!
— Monty

DOOOOM

It's a heck of a world that we're leaving our kids. The amount of debt we're saddling them with amounts to child-abuse, but you'll never hear anyone admit it.

Long live the Limited Liability Corporation (LLC)!

Empire State Fed's General Business Conditions index misses even the gloomy expectations of economists. It's yet another indicator that the economy is trending down rather than up.

Another reason why Europe is doomed.

You took a big pay cut this decade and probably weren't even aware of it.

Reality always wins. Always.

Has the dreaded double-dip begun? Things do seem to be getting worse rather than better.

What Schumpeter (of "Creative Destruction" fame) would say about the Occupy Wall Street people.

The man who has gone through a college or university easily becomes psychically unemployable in manual occupations without necessarily acquiring employability in, say, professional work. All those who are unemployed or unsatisfactorily employed or unemployable drift into the vocations in which standards are least definite. Â… They swell the host of intellectuals Â… whose numbers hence increase disproportionately. They enter it in a thoroughly discontented frame of mind. Discontent breeds resentment Â… righteous indignation about the wrongs of capitalism Â… Capitalism inevitably Â… educates and subsidizes a vested interest in social unrest.

Obama goes all in for the OWS socialists, but we shouldn't be surprised: he's an academic liberal who's never actually held a private-sector job. His antipathy to the business world is driven as much by ignorance as it is by ideological hostility.

Laying off tenured faculty? The horror! The horror!

Germany informs the rest of the world that the the check won't work unless they sign it, and they haven't signed it yet.

A certain smart military blog has some interesting stuff to say about the stinky hippies now infesting certain parts of Wall Street and points beyond -- specifically, that they happen to be overloaded with socialists, communists, and other unsavory types. Wall Street Communists. I hate Wall Street Communists!

The municipal bond meltdown predicted by Meredit Whitney has not yet come to pass, but I personally think that the financial pressures on American cities are only just beginning. Harrisburg, PA isn't an outlier; it's simply the vanguard.

Ending the discussion of "fair share".

Consider also that the Framers of the Constitution, with their views on the role of government, didnÂ’t even include an income tax. The 16th Amendment came 125 years later. What would they say about a system thatÂ’s capable of taking over half of a citizenÂ’s wages? Much is made about the Framers not abolishing slavery from the start, but we finally got it right. How many years will it take to abolish slavery to The State?
Funny how most of the people who natter on about "fairness" are the same non-contributing whiners who stand to gain most from taking from the producers.

http://www.businessweek.com/finance/hope-for-american-manufacturingmdashand-maybe-jobs-10142011.html

This is a DOOM-oriented column, so stories that show the strengths of American manufacturing may seem to be out of place. However, do note: an strong American manufacturing sector does not necessarily equate to more jobs in that sector. Automation is the key, not more expensive labor.

Ireland is not Greece. Ireland isn't out of the woods yet by any means, but the Irish are showing a firmness of spirit and a willingness to sacrifice that their erstwhile Greek compatriots have not shown so far.

Things fall apart; the center cannot hold. Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.

The Jobs economy. The Steve Jobs economy, that is.

Speaking of the death of Steve Jobs, the anguish at his death sometimes seems rather overdone. Might it be that we fear that men like him will not come our way again any time soon?

Did feminism kill nursing? In Britain, perhaps, though there are other issues at play there. The socialized medicine model has proven to be quite adept at killing the tenderness and solicitude that many caregivers feel for their patients -- State-run healthcare systems do not reward the "human touch" in any meaningful way, so the caregivers gradually lose it.

Dorian Electra: My date with Keynes.

More "green shoots": Lowes and Gap to close US stores, Best Buy to cut square footage in use. This is very grim news going into the holiday season.

Deadbeat state: Illinois owes billions in unpaid bills. Which in turn is putting the hurt on many small businesses in that state. At some point the long-suffering businesses in that benighted state will simply haul stakes and head out for greener pastures, and then the corrupt Illinois Democrat machine can explain the resulting economic crash to the voters.

Economist explains to Californians why it's unwise to allow collective bargaining for public employees. Californians shrug, say "Whatever, dude," and take another long bong hit.

Posted by: Monty at 05:00 AM | Comments (131)
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1 Yay!  My DOOM! Is Back!

Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 05:16 AM (8y9MW)

2 That cat has no bones!!! Anyway, just hoping Crying Boner doesn't cave on the "give moolah to Philly and Chicago's failing, crappy schools" bill. they'll just effing waste it while the schools still rot away

Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 18, 2011 05:19 AM (SB0V2)

3

Harrisburg is an outlier as has been explained to you already. Harrisburg built a massive incinerator ($300 million) expecting to bring in trash from neighboring communities for fees. Because they overspent on the trash-burner, they were not able to offer competetive rates. And yet the thing limped by for a decade before hitting the skids. This is going on nowhere else.

Sure, pensions and wages are a problem for states and localities, but Harrisburg has a very unique problem. As does JeffCo.

Posted by: spongeworthy at October 18, 2011 05:19 AM (puy4B)

4 From you according to your means to him according to his needs. We're only asking for a commission off the top.

Posted by: Democrat Party Platform, 2012 at October 18, 2011 05:20 AM (rJVPU)

5

If TOTUS is not recovered....

does that mean that Joe Biden becomes President?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 18, 2011 05:20 AM (b68Df)

6 Poor kitteh, just can't get caught up on his studies.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:21 AM (YdQQY)

7

At some point the long-suffering businesses in that benighted state will simply haul stakes and head out for greener pastures, and then the corrupt Illinois Democrat machine can explain the resulting economic crash to the voters.

 

No matter how bad things get the Democrats will get elected year in and year out in this corrupt state. There aren't enough people with brains or who don't live off of the govt. to vote them out

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2011 05:21 AM (1Jaio)

8 The amount of debt we're saddling them with amounts to child-abuse, but you'll never hear anyone admit it.

But we cut $38B from the spending this year! <snark>

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:22 AM (YdQQY)

9 However, do note: an strong American manufacturing sector does not necessarily equate to more jobs in that sector. Automation is the key, not more expensive labor.

Disagree, Monty.  It has been shown that automation creates even more jobs in subsidiary industries.  Maybe your qualifiers "necessarily" and "in that sector" implies that.. I don't know.

Bottom line is.. bring industry back here even if you automate the hell out of it.. it will create lots of jobs in support of it.  That "cheap foreign labor" excuse is just that.. an excuse to not not innovate and automate right here. 

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 18, 2011 05:22 AM (UTq/I)

10 What the hell is going on with Denninger? He's loving the OWS movement and doesn't see what we're seeing.

Posted by: mastour at October 18, 2011 05:22 AM (kTTiP)

11 The boning will continue until morale improves!

Posted by: Barry (Capone) Obama at October 18, 2011 05:23 AM (tf9Ne)

12 DOOM, a nutritious part of this complete breakfast!  OT, the 500-round ammo pack from the sidebar is teh awesome. 

Posted by: Insomniac at October 18, 2011 05:24 AM (v+QvA)

13

No matter how bad things get the Democrats will get elected year in and year out in this corrupt state. There aren't enough people with brains or who don't live off of the govt. to vote them out

Posted by: TheQuietMan
........
Unfortunately, you are correct.  Cook County has enough voters to keep us Democrat well into the future.  We're boned.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 18, 2011 05:24 AM (UTq/I)

14 The "Empire State" is not longer the Empire State. It is now the tax and regulate State and that has more to do wit its economy trashing than anything else.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:25 AM (YdQQY)

15 Cook County has enough voters to keep us Democrat well into the future.  We're boned.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 18, 2011 09:24 AM (UTq/I)

And those are just the dead ones!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 18, 2011 05:26 AM (v+QvA)

16 Another reason Europe is doomed???? Why not print a single reason why Europe is NOT doomed?

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:27 AM (YdQQY)

17 I'll believe laying off tenured faculty when I see it.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:28 AM (YdQQY)

18 OT, the 500-round ammo pack from the sidebar is teh awesome.

Iowa version of the I touch?

Our soldiers are our hope for the next Steve Jobs it appears.
Improvise, Adapt and Overcome

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 18, 2011 05:28 AM (tf9Ne)

19 13   OT, the 500-round ammo pack from the sidebar is teh awesome.

huh, all I get is women's clothes and shit...need more glocktalk cookies...

Posted by: jeanne at October 18, 2011 05:28 AM (r2vMO)

20 That "cheap foreign labor" excuse is just that.. an excuse to not not innovate and automate right here.

It's not exactly that (though it's close).  I'd say it's an unwillingness of businesses to experiment with automation when there is cheap labor available.  Why spend all that money (and it can look like a lot of money) to try new automation techniques that might not work?  It's easier, and cheaper (at least in the short run) to ship your labor off-shore.

If someone did make that leap, and was wildly successful, you'd see others copying the model as closely as possible.  The problem is that the biggest companies (that is: the ones that can afford to take that gamble) are all ossified, monolithic organizations too afraid of what their stock-holders will think to take the necessary chances.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 05:29 AM (8y9MW)

21 Hi folks.

Vic, Link to RedState re Perry and the flat tax (you were looking for one on the other thread). Forbes is one of Perry's economic advisors. 
How are you feeling, bud?

Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 05:30 AM (5H6zj)

22 18 I'll believe laying off tenured faculty when I see it.

California was closing entire academic department a couple of years ago.  IIRC CalPoly Pomona shut down whole programs.  (They also eliminated their entire fundraising staff, with the exception of the VP.  Stupid, stupid, stupid.) 

Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 05:32 AM (5H6zj)

23 97 Who could miss that Drudge link? Gotta luv the British snobs preaching failure to America. Misery loves company. There's plenty for the taking...

America must manage its decline
By Gideon Rachman

Financial Times, October 17, 2011 8:35 pm

Decline need not mean the end of peace and prosperity. But it does mean making choices and forging alliances. In an era of massive budget deficits, and rising Chinese power, the US will have to think harder about its priorities.


[And the EU choices and newly forged alliances with China determining priorities? Again, wtf with NATO thinking harder (not smarter) about its priorities, all about America mopping up as the maid, paying itself to be the maid at "allies" beck and call, in order for us to have our own way with agenda. Ironically, the US isolates itself within its own alliances through responsive military interventionism demanded/required by its allies. Given the principle of least interest, the party least interested wins because they don't care enough, leaving the burden entirely on the shoulders of the party that cares enough about the outcome to do the work. Ask the Little Red Hen what she'd have done had her membership in the barnyard alliance been met with isolation, allies targeting her efforts for piracy, whether to their mob violence plundering the fruits of her labor, or simply handing her over to Farmer China usurping her loaf and eating more chicken.]

Posted by: didn't take long at October 18, 2011 05:35 AM (lpWVn)

24 It's easier, and cheaper (at least in the short run) to ship your labor off-shore.

I know it aint easier because I have to support our overseas operations.

I question if it's cheaper too since we get subpar crap often that needs to be reworked. But the projected savings are put in the power-point and the costs are buried in the books.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 18, 2011 05:35 AM (tf9Ne)

25 I have my hands over my ears. NAH, NAH, NAH, NAH. I can't hear you! NAH, NAH, NAH

Posted by: State of California at October 18, 2011 05:36 AM (84oau)

26

Yo GOP candidates - Say it: "OBAMA'S DEBT = CHILD ABUSE".

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 18, 2011 05:36 AM (O7ksG)

27 I'll believe laying off tenured faculty when I see it.

Texas A&M Galveston campus, after building its coastal engineering wave research center, shut down that program for loss of funding.

Posted by: didn't take long at October 18, 2011 05:39 AM (lpWVn)

28 Y-Not responded on the other thread. Feeling good today.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:39 AM (YdQQY)

29 I question if it's cheaper too since we get subpar crap often that needs to be reworked. But the projected savings are put in the power-point and the costs are buried in the books.

It is easier.  From an active management standpoint, I agree with you: anything on-shore (even new labor, but especially automation) is easier to manage and support.  From a "design-to-deliverable" standpoint, however, whatever I have now is easier than anything new.

As for the costs: The CEO and the COO may be impressed with a nice .ppt deck.  The CFO says "Show me the books," and (a good one, at least) isn't fooled.  If the CFO says, "Yeah, all they just said [in the .ppt] is bovine scat," the CEO and COO (if they're also good) will listen.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 05:40 AM (8y9MW)

30 The reason the municipal bond meltdown hasn't occurred yet is because the feds are still bailing out the cities through stealth programs labeled something else but everyone knows money is fungible.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:41 AM (YdQQY)

31

Will Barry be putting up signs in the neighborhood like people do for missing dogs and cats for his teleprompter?

Have you seen this teleprompter goes by the name TOTUS. If so please call Barry or return it to the White House.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2011 05:42 AM (1Jaio)

32 31, Yep, the same thing is going on with the stock market.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 05:42 AM (ZDUD4)

33 Could TOTUS be in witness protection?

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 05:43 AM (ZDUD4)

34 At some point the long-suffering businesses in that benighted state will simply haul stakes and head out for greener pastures, and then the corrupt Illinois Democrat machine can explain the resulting economic crash to the voters.

Yeah, and it'll go like this: "JOIN THE OWS!  THESE EVIL CORPORATE FATCATS ARE ONCE AGAIN DESTROYING THE NATION!  TO THE GUILLOTINE!"

Posted by: Ranba Ral at October 18, 2011 05:43 AM (G99e4)

35 but everyone knows money is fungible.

Actually- they don't.  Or, at least, they pretend not to.

I don't know how many arguments I've had with people where I point out that Federal Money is being spent on X, and they say, "No, it's being spent on Y- the LAW says so!"

I restrain the urge to strangle them, and usually try (at least 2 or 3 times) to explain that all the money the City (or State) isn't spending on Y (because the Feds are) is being redirected to X.  Which means, functionally, the Feds are paying for X.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 05:44 AM (8y9MW)

36 On the Lowes and Gap layoffs, I firmly believe we are at depression level unemployment NOW. This lying set of shit-weasels can not be believed.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:44 AM (YdQQY)

37

OBAMA held a private job for 3 months. He described it in the book "Dreams of My Father" as "I FELT LIKE A SPY BEHIND ENENMY LINES."

This is what our president thinks of the entire private sector. But please, don't call him "radical".

What an embarrassment.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 18, 2011 05:45 AM (O7ksG)

38 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 09:44 AM (8y9MW)

It should be easy to tell people when the feds send 20% of the gasoline taxes to cities to support bus and subway runs it means the city doesn't have to spend that same amount of money on the buses and subway runs. Therefore they can spend more on other projects.

This is why it really pisses me off that NYC keeps clamoring for more and more money for homeland security so they can funnel it to the NYC PD. Then spend more money on socialism or paying off city employee unions.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:48 AM (YdQQY)

39 On the Lowes and Gap layoffs, I firmly believe we are at depression level unemployment NOW. This lying set of shit-weasels can not be believed.

Well, I have no idea about Gap (never shop there anyway), but Lowes may be experiencing difficulties disproportionately to Home Depot and Ace Hardware because, well, they suck.

When someone tried to kick in my front door a couple of weeks ago, Lowes couldn't promise anyone would show up even to measure for a couple of days.  Home Depot could at least promise a "measure and secure" the same day.

Can you guess which one got our business?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 05:48 AM (8y9MW)

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:50 AM (YdQQY)

41

FU*K socialized "single payer" tax payer funded health care. IT. IS. EVIL.

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 18, 2011 05:50 AM (O7ksG)

42 It should be easy to tell people when the feds send 20% of the gasoline taxes to cities

Yeah, but "should be" isn't "is," Vic.  People are willfully ignorant.  We've been trained- for a long time, many of us (honestly, I'm not sure why it never worked on me) to "trust the Government."  So people mostly do.

That why when the CDC comes out screaming about Swine Flu (which is... the Flu) people panic.  They ignore the perfectly good evidence that it's just the flu, and instead "trust the Government," and start panicking.  The same is true of food recalls (here's a hint: when the 'tainted' product is meat: cook it properly), 'safety' recalls, and all sorts of things.

I firmly believe the primary point of public education is to teach you not to think.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 05:52 AM (8y9MW)

43 When someone tried to kick in my front door a couple of weeks ago, Lowes couldn't promise anyone would show up even to measure for a couple of days.

I just went through Home Depot to get someone to put down linoleum in my upstairs bathroom after repairing the subfloor. Was not a good experience.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:52 AM (YdQQY)

44 ireland is not greece? Yeah I get that, but the food is better in Greece

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:52 AM (i6RpT)

45 AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 09:48 AM Agreed, that and they have just built a new lowes 20 miles from another one. We don't have the population center to support it. Those folks are not doing a lot of thinkin.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 05:52 AM (ZDUD4)

46 TOTUS is missing. Hang on America we are leaderless. Should see a jump in GDP real soon.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at October 18, 2011 05:53 AM (0M3AQ)

47 FU*K socialized "single payer" tax payer funded health care. IT. IS. EVIL. Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 18, 2011 09:50 AM (O7ksG) Well if your purpose is to reduce costs and kill of people, they don't call that evil, but efficient!

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 05:53 AM (i6RpT)

48

Judge Napolitano said that everything we buy right now is 25% higher in price.....than it was when Obama took office.

He said it was because Obama had increased our Debt more than any other president, ever.......and more than all the debt combined of all the other presidents. 

So this is what's causing that dull ache that just won't go away.

 

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 18, 2011 05:54 AM (H+8Ci)

49 Was not a good experience.

Not a good experience with Home Depot, or with their contractor?  I know it doesn't feel any different, but there is a difference there.  And, if it's the contractor who screwed up, complaining loudly enough (but civilly) to Home Depot will usually get you some concessions.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 05:54 AM (8y9MW)

50 Judge Napolitano said that everything we buy right now is 25% higher in price.....than it was when Obama took office.

He is being real conservative in that estimate as well. I think actual inflation is about 10% to 11% per year. Some items like food are running over 20%.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:56 AM (YdQQY)

51 AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 09:52 AM If they would allow meat packers to irradiate food they could end most of the food poisoning. However, people are afraid of anything that has radiate in it. 0 radiation stays in the meat, it just kills the bugs. More American irrationality brought upon by pure ignorance.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 05:56 AM (ZDUD4)

52 Not a good experience with Home Depot, or with their contractor?

The problem was getting Home Depot to schedule the thing. The contractor once he got there was outstanding.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 05:57 AM (YdQQY)

53

ireland is not greece? Yeah I get that, but the food is better in Greece

Ireland has excellent restaraunts. As long as you're not eating Irish cuisine.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at October 18, 2011 05:58 AM (7EV/g)

54 If they would allow meat packers to irradiate food they could end most of the food poisoning. However, people are afraid of anything that has radiate in it. 0 radiation stays in the meat, it just kills the bugs. More American irrationality brought upon by pure ignorance.

I don't know enough about that process to even tell you what I don't know, so I'll bow to your knowledge on that one.

The fact is though- it really doesn't much matter.  Simply not eating your meat rare is good enough to kill the bugs.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 05:58 AM (8y9MW)

55

OBAMA held a private job for 3 months. He described it in the book "Dreams of My Father" as "I FELT LIKE A SPY BEHIND ENENMY LINES."

This is what our president thinks of the entire private sector. But please, don't call him "radical".

What an embarrassment.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 18, 2011 09:45 AM (O7ksG)

 

It probably was brutal for him because it's the only time in his life that the lazy bastard has had to put in a full day of work

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2011 06:00 AM (1Jaio)

56 Ireland has excellent restaraunts. As long as you're not eating Irish cuisine. Posted by: somebody else, not me at October 18, 2011 09:58 AM (7EV/g) I'll drink to that!

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 06:00 AM (i6RpT)

57 The problem was getting Home Depot to schedule the thing.

Hmm.  Can't speak to that, then.  With their emergency installations, they basically just tell the contractor "The soonest you possibly can: this is an emergency" and they work you in ASAP.  I haven't had real contract work done through them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 06:00 AM (8y9MW)

58 I've had better luck at Lowe's than at Home Depot over the years, including here.  But if I need some sort of specialty thingy-a-ma-bob (funny fastener or problem with a lock or something like that) I go to Ace Hardware.  They actually do a really good job on referrals and trying to find solutions for you, not just point you to row 17 for the box of whatsits. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 06:00 AM (5H6zj)

59 The Jooos stole TOTUS?

Posted by: cherry pi at October 18, 2011 06:00 AM (OhYCU)

60 The fact is though- it really doesn't much matter. Simply not eating your meat rare is good enough to kill the bugs. Works on fruits and vegtables too. And I like my meat rare.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 06:01 AM (ZDUD4)

61 I like beef rare.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 06:01 AM (ieDPL)

62 Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 10:00 AM (i6RpT)

At least Ireland isn't England. 

Face it, the English Empire was nothing more than a quest for good take-out.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 06:01 AM (8y9MW)

63 Ireland, best food? Guiness

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 06:01 AM (YdQQY)

64 Simply not eating your meat rare

Sacrilege!  ;-)


Speaking of meat and Lowe's, just had a 15 cu ft chest freezer delivered by Lowe's yesterday (bought it Sunday).  I have a feeling this is the best investment we've made in quite some time. 

Posted by: Y-not, carnivore at October 18, 2011 06:02 AM (5H6zj)

65 Someone stole the precious.

Posted by: SCoaMF at October 18, 2011 06:02 AM (ieDPL)

66 The Jooos stole TOTUS?

Happened in Richmond, VA. Probably Johnny Reb.

Posted by: Retread at October 18, 2011 06:03 AM (K4w62)

67 64 Ireland, best food? Guiness

I haven't been yet, but I gather that you can get really fine seafood on the coasts. 

Posted by: Y-not, carnivore at October 18, 2011 06:03 AM (5H6zj)

68 Works on fruits and vegtables too.

Funny, that.  Raising something to a temperature where bacteria can't survive... kills bacteria.  I mostly like my fruit raw, though, so that would inconvenience me.  On the other hand, it would make a really good excuse for more pie...

As for rare meat: if you get to the upper end of rare (on to medium-rare) you're probably fine there, too.  Most people just don't cook it quite that long.  My personal preference is Medium, but that's just me.  I'm slowly weaning my wife off "hockey-puck."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 06:04 AM (8y9MW)

69 67 More precisely, Henrico. A good part of town even.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 06:04 AM (ieDPL)

70 65, Good for you, do you have one of those vacuum packagers. You can buy a half a cow or pig and split it with a neighbor or friend. Better cuts at a cheaper price.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 06:04 AM (ZDUD4)

71 I haven't been yet, but I gather that you can get really fine seafood on the coasts. 

Posted by: Y-not, carnivore at October 18, 2011 10:03 AM (5H6zj)

I have never been to Ireland but knew an Irish chick in CA.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 06:04 AM (YdQQY)

72 I'm slowly weaning my wife off "hockey-puck."

My wife and MIL both like "hockey puck". It is disgusting.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 06:06 AM (YdQQY)

73 My personal preference is Medium, but that's just me.  I'm slowly weaning my wife off "hockey-puck."

Mr Y-not was a hockey pucker (I believe partly in response to the fact that his mom, god love her, couldn't afford good cuts of meat so she tended to cook the heck out of stuff.  Her "specialty" were lamb pucks (ground lamb cooked to a cinder).), but now he's almost as carnivorous as me.  He'll tend to go medium rare for burgers, but for steaks he's a rare guy.  (Also for tuna steaks.)

Posted by: Y-not, carnivore at October 18, 2011 06:06 AM (5H6zj)

74 74, That's funny, my wife had to ween me off hockey puck.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 06:06 AM (ZDUD4)

75 My little brother is so terrified of food poisoning that he incinerates everything. I like burgers hot on the inside.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 06:07 AM (ieDPL)

76 Barry's going into full Captain Queeg mode over TOTUS. He's trying to find if someone had a duplicate key made to the truck and searching everyone for it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 18, 2011 06:07 AM (1Jaio)

77 Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 10:06 AM (YdQQY)

My wife is getting better.  She'll mostly Medium Well at restaurants now.  She'll eat Medium if it's on the high end of Medium, and she still prefers Well Done (yeck) so she orders MW on the theory (that I hold, too) that the guy cooking 20 stakes at a time at the restaurant may miss by a degree of done-ness on your stake.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 06:08 AM (8y9MW)

78 72 65, Good for you, do you have one of those vacuum packagers.

No, but I was thinking of getting one.  I'll look into it. Do you have a model that you recommend?

We are not hunters (yet), but there are a lot of them around here (as well as fishermen) so I hope we'll be picking it up soon (especially fishing) or perhaps benefit from other peoples' trips. 

Posted by: Y-not, carnivore at October 18, 2011 06:08 AM (5H6zj)

79 Y-not, carnivore at October 18, 2011 10:06 AM Mrs. Sailors B-Day was yesterday, we went to a restaurant called Blue Water on the intercoastal. Seared Yellowfin with Wasabe and pickled ginger. My gosh was that good.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 06:09 AM (ZDUD4)

80 67 More precisely, Henrico. A good part of town even.

I've got a nephew down that way, maybe he just couldn't bear the thought of listening to SCOAMF again. I'll have to see if he's got an alibi.

Posted by: Retread at October 18, 2011 06:09 AM (K4w62)

81 Where is the precious?

Posted by: SCoaMF at October 18, 2011 06:09 AM (ieDPL)

82

Irradiation.

From what I understand......it is done by exposing food to gamma rays, electron beams and x-rays. These pass through the food without cooking it. The process kills E.coli, salmonella and listeria and leaves no traces of radioactive materials.

But the idea of it still freaks people out.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 18, 2011 06:10 AM (H+8Ci)

83 Seared Yellowfin with Wasabe and pickled ginger. My gosh was that good.

Damn that makes me hungry. No good seafood restaurants here anymore. Closest is Red Lobster about 40 miles away and I don't know if I'll call it "good".

110 miles to the beach and seafood.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 06:11 AM (YdQQY)

84 Do you have a model that you recommend?

We use the FoodSaver at my house.  Didn't cost too much, and worked like a charm for about 5 years.  It's starting to die now, so we'll probably get a new one pretty soon, but even on its last legs, it's working well enough.

It's really nice for marinating, too, since it lets the marinade come into better contact with the food.

Also, I'd suggest going ahead and springing for the container attachment and some of their vacuum containers (in addition to the bags).  We've had several times that would have come in handy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 06:12 AM (8y9MW)

85 Vic at October 18, 2011 10:11 AM Vic, you ever want to come out to wilmington let me know, We will rock your seafood world.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 06:12 AM (ZDUD4)

86 Where is the precious?

In my pocket.

Posted by: Bilbo Baggins at October 18, 2011 06:13 AM (8y9MW)

87 Mrs. Sailors B-Day was yesterday, we went to a restaurant called Blue Water on the intercoastal. Seared Yellowfin with Wasabe and pickled ginger.

Mmmm, that sounds great!  We don't have many great seafood places around here (or we haven't found them yet).  You can get great trout - which is wonderful as it's local and I love trout - but in terms of ocean fish, they seem fixated on halibut.  I am not a fan of halibut and think it's incredibly over-priced, too. 

At home I have amazingly good luck with flash-frozen tuna (vacuum sealed) that you can get at places like Walmart and Target.  I pan sear it and serve it very rare over - don't laugh - arugula dressed with a light lemon-vinaigrette and topped with capers and shaved hard cheese.  Really good and very good for you. 

Posted by: Y-not, carnivore at October 18, 2011 06:13 AM (5H6zj)

88 What is the problem with irradiation then? Seems good to me. As long as big meat doesn't change their handling techniques because they can rely on nuking the meat.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 06:13 AM (ieDPL)

89 Vic, you ever want to come out to wilmington let me know, We will rock your seafood world.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 10:12 AM (ZDUD4)

I used to go up that way fairly frequently for work. LOL, but now my travel stuff is on hold until the Spring.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 06:14 AM (YdQQY)

90 We use the FoodSaver at my house.

Thank you!  I'll look into that.

Posted by: Y-not, carnivore at October 18, 2011 06:14 AM (5H6zj)

91 FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 10:13 AM Because anything with the word Radiation in it scares the hell out of people.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 06:14 AM (ZDUD4)

92 92, Yep, foodsaver, the industry standard.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 06:15 AM (ZDUD4)

93 What is the problem with irradiation then?

At a guess?  The China Syndrome.  Americans have been conditioned for ~50 years to believe Radiation = Bad.

And, sadly, even though we call it "nuking" most of them don't realize they have a radioactive device as their (statistically) most used kitchen appliance.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 06:15 AM (8y9MW)

94 At a guess? The China Syndrome. Americans have been conditioned for ~50 years to believe Radiation = Bad. Another reason to hate Hollywood, as if we needed one.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 18, 2011 06:17 AM (ZDUD4)

95 I read where OWS crowd has had their stuff stolen. Some kid complaining his $5,500 MAC was boosted. Who it the hell pays $5,500 for a laptop and then takes it to a protest rally? Metrosexuals are so confusing. As for the thieves, I applaud their redistributive morality. What does some metrosexual need a MAC when there are people starving somewhere or a union member got laid off? Jeebus - why do they cry when they are forced to redistribute their stuff? Its all for the collective - therefore it must be good.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at October 18, 2011 06:17 AM (0M3AQ)

96 96 The Sun would give you more radiation.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 06:17 AM (ieDPL)

97 What a lot of people don't know is that they are already eating food that has been irradiated. The people using it do not have to label it.

And what is the biggest problem with irradiation? It adds expense.

Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 06:19 AM (YdQQY)

98 64% of Americans blame the weak economy more on the federal government only 30% blame major financial institutions over the federal government.

This is winnable if we don't go wobbly.

Poll: http://tinyurl.com/43eoq7y

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 18, 2011 06:21 AM (PLvLS)

99 100 64% of Americans blame the weak economy more on the federal government only 30% blame major financial institutions over the federal government.

This is winnable if we don't go wobbly.

Poll: http://tinyurl.com/43eoq7y     Have you met Mittens lately?

Posted by: Sub-Tard at October 18, 2011 06:22 AM (0M3AQ)

100 >>This is winnable if we don't go wobbly.

I'm feeling quite pessimistic about our chances.  I think we've somehow lost momentum, even on the Congressional side, and will wind up losing the WH, electing/re-electing a lot of squishes in the Senate, and not making meaningful gains in the house.  My only hope is for State Houses. 

I'm for Perry 'til the bitter end - barring some truly weird occurrence or him dropping out.  It's disheartening to see the weight people are putting on one component of the campaign and to see how much traction the disinformation campaign by his opponents has gained, but I'm voting for POTUS, not making fantasy football picks.  So I'm going with the candidate that I think would make the best POTUS. 

Posted by: Y-not, carnivore at October 18, 2011 06:34 AM (5H6zj)

101

OBAMA held a private job for 3 months. He described it in the book "Dreams of My Father" as "I FELT LIKE A SPY BEHIND ENENMY LINES."

This is what our president thinks of the entire private sector. But please, don't call him "radical".

Thanks for the reminder, Lemon Kitten.  The armchair psychiatrist in me detects a very disturbed man in Barack Obama.  He believed it then, and he believes it now.  And he's the President of the United States.  Unbelievable. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 18, 2011 06:36 AM (ycuSb)

102 One of my first projects in radiation shielding was to help build a shield door for a food irradiation facility. Lots of lead and concrete in that puppy.
 
Irradiated food like vacuum packed meat or even a well sealed milk bottle can sit on your shelf at room temperature indefinitely. No refrigeration required. But the word radiation scares the crap out of most people. Ah well.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 18, 2011 06:47 AM (ENKCw)

103
One thing I've noticed in the meat section of grocery stores is a lot more beef that's rotten in the display case, smelling like cheese. I suspect that they're kicking up the temps on the refrigeration to save on the power bill, and keeping the packages in the case a lot longer, hoping for a sale.

I've pretty much sworn off beef for most of this year as a result. Breaks my carnivorous heart. Chicken has kind of fallen into the same situation, to a certain degree. I've pretty much gone over to ham, bacon, and fish.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 18, 2011 06:47 AM (o1ki4)

104

Ynot, we have to win unassailable majorities down ticket. Both house and Senate.

  If Romney gets the nom, and wins the general, a strong conservative base will keep his liberal tendencies in check. That same majority will be to Perry's advantage in furthering his agenda.

  Attaining neither would mean disaster.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 18, 2011 06:54 AM (SAMxH)

105 Here's a bit more of George Soros ties to OWS. 
From the economic policy journal, which are von mises type libertarians.
That said, this post indicates that Adbusters, a Tides foundation grant recipient, seems to be getting the protesters to march on October 29th for a Tobin tax,
A 1% transaction tax on all financial transactions world wide.  They're calling it the RobinHood tax (to appeal to the useful idiots) which is a pet project of Soros.

This is rather fascinating.
http://tinyurl.com/42dhalc

Posted by: Derak at October 18, 2011 07:02 AM (8tAhu)

106 97 Who it the hell pays $5,500 for a laptop and then takes it to a protest rally?
__________

M stands for mobile!

Posted by: Frank Burns eats worms at October 18, 2011 07:02 AM (6fER6)

107 Speaking of, how can ecoli get inside of a vegetable? Wash the vegatable. I`ve never had a problem with anything we`ve cooked.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at October 18, 2011 07:03 AM (3qZxU)

108 11What the hell is going on with Denninger? He's loving the OWS movement and doesn't see what we're seeing.

Posted by: mastour at October 18, 2011 09:22 AM (kTTiP)

=====

 Denninger sees what you see...but he also sees what you can't se through your ideological blinders.

 For example, wrt child abuse through debt...how much debt do you have? Credit cards? School loans? Car? Housing? All of those toys in the garage and back yard? Vacations? How many of your "possessions" are actually owned by the bank?

 Acknowleging the left's failures in rational thought (non-existent), the narrative on the right fails on points such as this. e.g. Debt is a very bad thing...unless it's the debt that you hold.

 Another example is The Criterion article referenced in the "Doom!" column above. The author seems to be saying that the pursuit of happiness in America is somehow evil. The right seems to be endorsing such un-constititonal principles.

But...you can't see any of that. Your ideology blinds you just as much as the ideology of the left blinds them.

 

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at October 18, 2011 07:03 AM (E7Z1r)

109 Is there anywhere you guys can point me to where I can get a real good critique of Cains 999 plan?  The more I hear the less I like but now hubby is warming to it.  I really need to learn more so when we fight I will be well armed. lol

Posted by: jewells45, teapartyterrorist at October 18, 2011 07:05 AM (l/N7H)

110 President Obama: If you want TOTUS back you must agree to the following demands: 1. You must resign effective immediately. 2. Vice president Biden must go on national TV and sing "Louie Louie" in between chugging a six-pack of Millwaukee's Best. 3. FLOTUS must cook spare ribs for the whole country. And macaroni and cheese. And serve it. 4. We demand that the month of November be designated National Valu-Rite guzzling month. 5. If these demands are not satisfied within the next 48 hours, we erase TOTUS's hard drive!

Posted by: The Moron Liberation Front at October 18, 2011 07:06 AM (RD7QR)

111 112 Is there anywhere you guys can point me to where I can get a real good critique of Cains 999 plan?

Malamutt is running numbers on the other (Cain) thread.

I think both NRO and Redstate have done some detailed analyses.  I'll tyr ot find the links for you.

Posted by: Y-not, feeling pessimistic at October 18, 2011 07:12 AM (5H6zj)

112

I sear both sides in a pan with olive oil and a little garlic, then cook on a wet cedar plank in the oven. It's a thick and juicy slice of just how good beef should taste.

That sounds divine.  I'm looking for an alternative to grilling outdoors now that winter will be here soon.  I still love a good steak but those indoor grills don't seem to cut it.

Posted by: jewells45, teapartyterrorist at October 18, 2011 07:25 AM (l/N7H)

113 Its best to know who you are standing with before you jump on board and the people behind the OWS are not good people, in fact they are evil people.
So if your a George Soros fan then by all means give them your support.



Posted by: MarkC at October 18, 2011 07:32 AM (yPPVC)

114 jewells

Ramesh Ponnuru dissects 999 in Bloomberg

Josh Barro at NRO

NRO editors on the plan

Posted by: Y-not, feeling pessimistic at October 18, 2011 07:39 AM (5H6zj)

115 and then the corrupt Illinois Democrat machine can explain the resulting economic crash to the voters.

Greedy Capitalists that don't want to acknowledge they success was only possible by stepping on the back of the 1%.

Posted by: Lizzie Warren at October 18, 2011 07:45 AM (ZMHGo)

116 Rick Perry has a new ad out featuring clips from his Pittsburgh jobs speech and touting a recent analysis by Bloomberg that puts Perry on top in jobs creation (Huntsman second, Mitt last). 

Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 08:01 AM (5H6zj)

117

Quick question - is there a way to send just the "DOOM" posts to my friends, without saying "scroll halfway down the page to look for it" - the headings aren't clickable.

Any help appreciated - thanks!

Posted by: Some random imam at October 18, 2011 08:20 AM (jbWs+)

118 the headings aren't clickable

They should be.  The ones on the left sidebar should bring up the post, sans comments.  (You can still access the comments by clicking on the link at the end of the post.)

Here's the URL that clicking on the sidebar brings: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/322706.php

Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 08:29 AM (5H6zj)

119 The permanent link is at the bottom of the DOOM post, it is the time of the post in red (today's is 09:00 AM). I really like that cat.

Posted by: motionview at October 18, 2011 08:37 AM (zRbkQ)

120

Send them the address at the top of the page in the address bar. Just copy and paste that.

I hope you have friends that will appreciate the information. I find it's very rare that I come across people that openly believe in the approaching DOOM. Back to work.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 18, 2011 08:38 AM (GKQDR)

121 Thanks, I feel foolish coming back to look at the kind answers only to realize that the URL is up there!

Posted by: Some random imam at October 18, 2011 08:52 AM (jbWs+)

122 Feminism has nothing to do with the decline of compassion in nursing.  There are many factors but that is not one of them.   First and foremost, healthcare is a calling; a vocation.   If you go into it because it's a good job or a path to wealth you create a soulless environment (not saying professionals shouldn't be well compensated for their efforts, they should, it's a tough calling).   As it is today, workers at all levels are burning out.  The average nurse lasts seven years before changing professions.  The problem has not been recruitment, it's retention.   Many physicians are frustrated and looking for the door.

Posted by: misty at October 18, 2011 12:52 PM (u0S3M)

123 Monty,

The problem with this Brit article (Things fall apart; the center cannot hold) is that the author confuses the economy with the state.  Traditionally in America, the two are separate.  In Europe, not so much.

This article is representative of the disconnect between the American economic model and the European.  Phrases like "low tax economy" and "high expenditure economy" display a basic misunderstanding of how our economy actually works.

In the very next paragraph the author's description of our political system is at odds with his previous statement; "The Republicans insist that taxes should not go up while the Democrats are adamant that government spending should not take all of the hit."

That summarizes his inability to grasp the very point he is trying to make; he mistakes the economy for the state.  Imagine how many years of university it took to convince Europeans that the economy equals the state.  (Or vice versa)

"The business of America is business."  Let's get back to that before it is too late.

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