1 Second?!?!

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

3

A government-run system of teacher compensation, based on test scores, would in some ways be the worst of all worlds. It would create incentives for teachers to "game" the system.

If they're gaming the system (like in Atlanta) just to improve test scores, can you imagine what they'd be doing when there is money on the table?

"No Mildred, you got the bonus last year.  This year I need 100% of my kids to max the test.  I'm putting on an addition to the house."

4 "The pre-post-employment economy. My friends and I used to ponder what people would do with their time if we ever achieved a Star Trek-like replicator technology -- would we spend our time creating art, expanding the frontiers of science, and advancing civilization; or would we sit around all day watching TV and eating Cheetos out of a big tub?" Isn't that why Al Gore created teh internet and why pudding was invented?

5 Merkel and Sarkozy assure the chumps that they have every intention of maybe having some kind of plan pretty soon, maybe.

That was a weird press conference, stating that they have a plan but now was not the time to reveal the details.

Very Pelosi-esque.

6 itÂ’s not easy to go from being a bricklayer or a truck-driver to being a database administrator or a software developer,

Hence, my belief that SmallTalk like tools are the future - lots of widgets written in India, with a former bricklayer providing the mortar to glue them together.

7

Retraining is rarely an option -- itÂ’s not easy to go from being a bricklayer or a truck-driver to being a database administrator or a software developer, and young people lack the experience that businesses seek. This kind of problem is deep-rooted, and will take many years to rectify. It's not a problem we can fix quickly.

I'll go further.

It's not going to be fixed period.  The real problem is the public education system.  Even if workers could retrain quickly, they lack the basic skills (written English, math, basic science) that would allow them to retrain quickly.

By the time these people get into a program, get up to speed on basic skills, and start re-training into a new field, two years have gone by and the hiring businesses have paid premiums to lure in qualified workers to the area.

Another reason it won't be fixed?  Walk the hallways around your State Labor Department (called the Commerce Department in some States) for an hour.  Tell me that organiztion isn't the most barnicle-encrusted bureaucracy you've ever seen.  Oh, and yes, the Federal Dept of Labor is worse.

8 From Monty's link: The report also underscores the delicate position some of the region's politicians find themselves in as anger at the financial industry takes the form of street protests like the Occupy Wall Street encampment. Many protests are backed by powerful constituencies like organized labor, but those politicians are heavily reliant on revenue from Wall Street to balance their budgets and avoid painful cuts and tax increases. The crap sandwich that you made, eat it Demotards! Hope you all choke on every last bite. Enjoy it fresh from your steaming assholes. Coming up next, "The Schumer Shit Waiver" that will exempt NYC residents from the Buffet tax. "Wall Street is on the defensive, having been painted as the villain in the overall economic scenario," Ms. Wylde said. "Unless we can figure out how to reposition the industry as a key to the solution for future growth, New York is going to suffer the results, suffer significant losses in both jobs and revenues."

9 I love my first taste of DOOM in the morning! Please keep it coming!!!! Cannot get enough DOOM!!!!

10 That'll teach kitteh to try to run away.

11 Dumb as a bag of hammers.

Watch what you say.

12 Posted by: runningrn at October 11, 2011 09:10 AM (Lbb9+)

A la the Star Trek technology bounty: a three letter word--PR0N

13 Economic Illiteracy, Thou Art Obama's Defense of Solyndra

Obama is a communist, therefore its not economic illiteracy, its choice of an insane economic model that is his problem.

14 Topeka, you said?

15 Waching the Brewers Game last night with the Misses. Actually I was and she was perusing the blogs on her I Phone. She says "I like Ace, but it's just so damn depressing. These doom post? God I just want to slit my wrists" .

16 lots of widgets written in India

The problem isn't that China or India will "take" all the IT jobs -- the problem is that there aren't enough IT workers to fill the demand anywhere.

Writing software is a highly-specialized job that takes years of study and experience to master. It requires a certain amount of natural talent, too: you can't just sit down any random person, put them through an M.A. program in Comp Sci, and get a good programmer out of the deal. (Any more than a lawyer or a doctor or an engineer or other specialized field.)

IT jobs are going begging because there aren't enough qualified applications, and IT programs in colleges are undersubscribed because many students either can't or don't want to shoulder the workload. This is a huge structural problem, especially in the American economy.

17

I hear Topeka is nice this time of year.

 

 

18 On Merit-Pay for Teachers:

Yes, some teachers will "game the system" as will people in every industry where qualitative judgments are forced to meet quantitative results (Customer Service "Quality" scores meet this requirement, too).  The fact is though, that far more will either just decide to continually do a better job to continue getting raises, or will be too incompetent to "game the system" and therefore be forced to actually raise their standards.

If you don't believe this, spend a year in a call center that uses "Quality" scores in their annual review process.  The ones who are good enough to game the system could easily be the best reps, but they're too lazy- so they use loop-holes and (yes) outright cheats to boost their scores.  The other good reps, who have some pride, step up their game and continually try to get better.  The ones you're most worried about "gaming the system" are too incompetent to do so- and therefore actually work to get better.

All-in-all, merit based pay for teachers is one of the easier ways to start getting better quality from our current education system.  Given that fully privatized schools are a pipe-dream, they may be the single best thing we can do.

19 Merit pay for teachers a bad idea?

When I dropped off my son to his elementary school today, parked in the Principal and Vice Principal parking slots - Mercedes S500s. Gaming the system? - that's pillaging. They don't even try to hide it....

20 I like Ace, but it's just so damn depressing. These doom post? God I just want to slit my wrists.

Another satisfied customer.

21

Here's a good example of how Obama's grand plans to revive the economy have failed: the $30 billion small-business loan package passed last year.

Most of us said when they first proposed it that it would never work. It did not attack the causes of the buisness depression. Businesses do not need to "borrow" money to expand into a market that does not exist.

In fact I would bet that any money disbursed out of this program did not really go to real businesses. It probably went to Dem cronies and was stolen.

22 Monty, I've never hired a CompSci major to program - always hard science guys who didn't want to or make the PhD cut.  I think programming basic need to be taught much earlier then they are.  I'm bangin my kids thru logo and lego stuff; and will hit them with smalltalk soon (squeak). 

They want me to come in a teach it a t their school, but i had to go sit thru virtus first, now my mind is pre-occupied with inventive way to kill child molesters.

23 IT jobs are going begging because there aren't enough qualified applications, and IT programs in colleges are undersubscribed because many students either can't or don't want to shoulder the workload. This is a huge structural problem, especially in the American economy.

Also because, of professionals, the IT set are the ones most likely (in my experience) to say "F-it, drive on" about college, and put out their own shingle somewhere.  If you're any good and have the time, you can make a decent living working on the code-for-hire sites (like RentACoder) and doing local "consulting" jobs.  You don't need a degree for any of those things, and good programmers are inherently lazy (if they're not, they're not looking for the easiest solution).

Most corporations, however, put too high a value on a college diploma- so they're disqualifying candidates who may well be superior in talent and ability to the ones they actually interview, just because the HR department thinks that a college transcript is shiny.

24 I suspect that this is a variant of the old “we’ll have to lay off firefighters and cops!”

LOL, CAC made fun of me this morning when I linked that Topeca stuff and said the socialist NEVER cut back on socialism first.

25

The fact is though, that far more will either just decide to continually do a better job to continue getting raises, or will be too incompetent to "game the system" and therefore be forced to actually raise their standards.

I love ya like a brother Allen, but I don't agree.  It only takes one miscreant to start agitating for his peers to game the system.  It's the Prisoner's Dilemma writ large.

Your theory might happen in states where folks haven't completely lost their pride or any sense of morality and fair play (Hmmm....Texas, Wyoming, Kansas, the Dakotas, Montana, the Carolinas and a few others.).  But here in the glorious Mid-Atlantic, the Northeast, and the Left Coast that's not going to play.

Unfortunately, that's where the bulk of the population is.

Sorry, for the good of the country eveyone is going to have to move to Texas.  I know you'll take one for the team.  ;-)

26 N.J. startup partners with largest solar manufacturer in Italy. Hey! It worked for Solyndra


http://tinyurl.com/4yc46ry

27

They want me to come in a teach it a t their school, but i had to go sit thru virtus first, now my mind is pre-occupied with inventive way to kill child molesters.

You too?  I did that so I could volunteer last summer.

The sessions you take to maintain your currency creep me out for days.

28 We stopped for the night in Topeka once, was a really nice town in a quaint, homesy way...

29 I tend to agree, mostly because it would inevitably be gamed by the teachers and their union. Arnold Kling has the right idea: get the government AND the unions out of the education business entirely, and let the competitive marketplace do its work.

With my little addition, I agree 100%.

30 There's a great rib joint just off the main drag in Topeka.

31 You spoiled my hot-cakes...

32 Sean, my list of "bad" agencies:

BIA
ATF
DoL
DoEd
HUD
State
USDA (less APHIS/ARS)
VA

33 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 11, 2011 09:26 AM (8y9MW)
One of my sons was too busy being rowdy to attend college; however, in his spare time as he settled down, he became a programming and networking guru and half owner of a small but very profitable company.  I often wonder what he could do if he had more formal training in CS.  But a key part of it (programming excellence) is motivation and comprehension.   Neither they nor English is taught in the public schools these days.

34 I just adore the Talbot's outlet in Topeka, the staff are so much fun!

35

Liberal thought process for ALL political decisions and positions:

http://tinyurl.com/3kdq3yl

36

So-called "Progressives" -- spreading the misery.

That is the only thing they have done since their inception in the early 1900s. People have to be insane because these "progressives" are like cockroaches. Every time you stamp out a colony of them in one country they emerge in another just as bad.

37

Posted by: Jean at October 11, 2011 09:31 AM (WkuV6)

Only (minor) changes.

DoL less BLS and EBSA

VA less VBA

38 Neither they nor English is are taught in the public schools these days.

39

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40 It only takes one miscreant to start agitating for his peers to game the system

Take a look at my parallel to a Customer Service call center in that same post.

Basically, what I'm saying is that you'll have about 10 - 25% who are both good enough to be able to, and lazy enough to desire to, game the system.  Of the other 90%, probably half (maybe a little more) will have the desire to game the system, but won't be good enough to do so.  The rest may or may not be good enough to game the system, but they're not interested in doing so.

It is a little easier with teachers- simply because so much rests on those standardized tests- but even that can be controlled-for.

The fact, though, is that poor (both in luck and money) students are just screwed.  They can't afford private school (and even otherwise sane teachers go rabid over the idea of vouchers) and public schools don't do them justice.  There is no way to "fix" public schools that will ever actually work- teachers don't get paid well enough to entice people who are capable of more to give that up and put up with 13 yr old punks.  So the people who teach are (rarely) those who are "called" to teach, and (more frequently) those who can't really do anything else productive (or believe they can't).

41 My interaction with BLS was with math guys who knew their stuff was wrong (or being misused) and did not care.

42 But a key part of it (programming excellence) is motivation and comprehension.

Having a CS/MS in Computer Science, I dragged about 15% of my knowledge into my job (Systems Engineering). The value of a college education is teaching you to think in a certain way. Some people, like your son do it naturally. For Engineering degrees it generates logical thinkers, for Liberal Arts it generates people who think dihydroxymonoxide is poisonous.

43

We are leveraging our alliance with other institutions who share our commitment to calling attention to the inequities in our system to provide even greater opportunities for those seeking to enter the exciting field of protest management. 

Yes, but do you award a graduate ertificate or a Masters?  Because I might be interested. 

See, I cannot seem to get hired with my Queer Studies degree with a Womyn Studies minor.  After all these years I thought that degree was a proxy for a career in grievance management, but I was misled.

44

Bloomberg should have already cracked down on the Poopstock squatters.

I feel sorry for all the small businesses and shops that have been impacted by this.....unless they are owned by liberals, then not so much.

The Stock Exchange should pick up its marbles and relocate to a friendlier location in a red state somewhere. ....Problem is, the people who would make that decision probably own NY real estate which they would have to take a bath on, if they did that.

45 I often wonder what he could do if he had more formal training in CS.  But a key part of it (programming excellence) is motivation and comprehension.

Not much, really.  Once you're on top, you're on top.  If he's part owner of a company, it doesn't get much better than that.

Honestly, that's the other reason so few people who are really, really good at IT finish college- why bother when they're already making 60 - 90K/yr and have only racked up 15K in student loans, so far?  The ones who really make it can make 6 figure salaries on nothing more than gumption and experience.

I flirt with the idea of doing some intro-to-real-life-programming stuff occasionally.  I'm not really sure how to find students or if I'd have time for it, though.

46

So the people who teach are (rarely) those who are "called" to teach, and (more frequently) those who can't really do anything else productive (or believe they can't).

And this has been true since time immemorial.

That's why when parents find a really good teacher, they cling to him/her like a liferaft.

47 AllenG - then you have the one percent, who can game the help desk job into a trading account, make multi-billion dollar bad calls on Asian currency trades, and screw all of the hot chicks in PR.

48 Only moments to go before he becomes just a bloody mass of fur, the cat like America, accepts his DOOM.

49 And this has been true since time immemorial.

The difference being that, in "time immemorial," if you were a bad teacher, you'd learn to be a stone-cutter or starve to death.  Now you just get shuffled to some other department, school, or "rubber room" to serve out your time until you can retire with a 60% pension.

50

make multi-billion dollar bad calls on Asian currency trades, and screw all of the hot chicks in PR.

Was that wrong?  Should I not have done that?  Because, if someone had told me that was wrong, well, I wouldn't have done that.

51 AllenG - then you have the one percent, who can game the help desk job into a trading account, make multi-billion dollar bad calls on Asian currency trades, and screw all of the hot chicks in PR.

Which is still better than that terrible 1% of teachers who commit actively criminal acts.

52 I flirt with the idea of doing some intro-to-real-life-programming stuff occasionally.  I'm not really sure how to find students or if I'd have time for it, though.

Hire them, put to task, profit.  They will learn along the way.

53

The internet is quietly in the process of revolutionizing the area of Teaching.

If you saw John Stossel's special on teacher's unions and teaching.....you know what I am talking about.

The 'good teachers' can now make videos on subjects that they excell at teaching. ....And those videos can teach millions. ....Home schooling is going to grow.

54

Stuttering in the midst of his clusterfuckuppery and failure, SCOAMF casts his lot with those with even less of a clue than himself.

55 Most corporations, however, put too high a value on a college diploma- so they're disqualifying candidates who may well be superior in talent and ability to the ones they actually interview, just because the HR department thinks that a college transcript is shiny.

You mileage may vary, but I would never hire a 20-year old kid without a degree for a software engineering position (unless he had industry experience, since that's better).  You have no idea what you are getting and I don't want to waste time explaining why nesting loops should be avoided to a script kiddie.

At the very least, a diploma indicates that the prospective engineer has some exposure to decent algorithm design and a background in math.  You'll get much better code that way.

However, if they've been in industry, all that goes out the window.  Five years industry experience trumps a diploma.

56 .Problem is, the people who would make that decision probably own NY real estate which they would have to take a bath on, if they did that.

Inside trading, they would sell high - then make the announcement.

57

The 'good teachers' can now make videos on subjects that they excell at teaching. ....And those videos can teach millions. ....Home schooling is going to grow.

Case in point: The Kahn Academy

This guy is going to bankrupt the public education kleptocracy.

To quote Insty, "faster please."

58 Ha.....love the K9 cop picture. Reminds me of my dog....the skunk jihadist.

59 At the very least, a diploma indicates that the prospective engineer has some exposure to decent algorithm design and a background in math.  You'll get much better code that way.

Both of which are unlikely to come from a base CS degree (some are good, most suck).  Get a physics MA who has been starving to death working on some experiment for years.

60 New Topeka tourism ad:

Wife acting a mite uppity?  Come to Topeka and put her in her place. Wife beating classes now offered by Topeka Muslims for 14th Century Values.

61 57 ...Yup! ....The teachers unions will prolly try to squash it somehow. Which is why we must retake the Senate next year.

62 You mileage may vary, but I would never hire a 20-year old kid without a degree for a software engineering position (unless he had industry experience, since that's better).  You have no idea what you are getting and I don't want to waste time explaining why nesting loops should be avoided to a script kiddie.

That's why I believe in working interviews and white-board interviews.  Make them show you that they know their stuff.

I also like the idea of hiring someone for a non-development position (say, support, or help-desk, or whatever) but send them the occasional low-priority/low-risk development assignment.  That will let them get their chops and some real experience.

If you're going to do that, though, you've got to follow through with a dev job once they're good enough- or be prepared to lose them.

63 Both of which are unlikely to come from a base CS degree (some are good, most suck).  Get a physics MA who has been starving to death working on some experiment for years.

Posted by: Jean at October 11, 2011 09:48 AM (WkuV6)

College programs may be different, but when I went to UMass I came out with a math minor without taking any extra courses.  The curriculum was probably about 50% math.  And nothing against physicists, but they rarely teach them about data structures.

64 Let's teach "Occupy WSJ" some strong communism, Comrades!

http://tinyurl.com/3zvnn3z

65

For your listening pleasure, music to DOOM rinos by.

66

http://tinyurl.com/3duuq5c

Queen of Your Diet shows her mortality:

"Well, I did a show with Michelle and I just loved being with her," Deen told Yeas & Nays. "She probably ate more than any other guest I've ever had on the show —she kept eating even during commercials." Deen taught Obama how to fry shrimp during a TV segment in September before the 2008 presidential election. "You know what their favorite foods are — it's hot wings, you know, those kinds of foods that are not necessarily top-of-the-list healthy foods, so she's no different than the rest of us," Deen said.

67 Bevel - they usually aren't "taught" it, they have to "do" it, in order to design and run experiments - same with geology, astronomy, and epidemiology (all of which have been good hires, completely out of their fields)

68

Diane Sawyer makes feeble attempt to make SCOAMF look like a genius (by comparison).

69 Target rich environment today is.  It's like the entire left has overdosed on stupid.

Loving it.

70 Cant tinyurl here, from Detroit News detnews dot com:

Highland Park— Most of the city's street lights have been repossessed because officials failed to pay a multimillion-dollar utility bill, giving rise to concerns about safety and crime in darkened neighborhoods.

DTE Energy crews have removed about 1,400 light poles from Highland Park as part of a settlement that allowed the city to avoid paying $4 million in unpaid bills going back several years. DTE, which says the work will be completed by Oct. 31, has replaced 200 lights with newer models on street corners, but most neighborhoods remain in the dark.

71 ....so basically michelle's weakness is making her ruin everyone elses life?

72 DTE Energy crews have removed about 1,400 light poles from Highland Park as part of a settlement that allowed the city to avoid paying $4 million in unpaid bills going back several years.

Cut back on socialism? Hell no, stiff the electric company instead. Except hat in Detroit what they would have to cut back on is the graft and corruption.

The best thing that could happen to Detroit would be to dis-incorporate the city government and tell everyone living there you are now part of the county. But make sure ALL city government workers are fired first and all past contracts are negated by declaring bankruptcy.

73 As a Teacher I have sat here and read your comments. I agree with most. The problem with Ed is the problem with every other Gov. run entity. Here in NC, 53% of all funds end up in the school. The rest supports a bureaucracy filled with Academics and political hires that either do nothing but Money suck, or work to justify their positions by coming up with ever increasing rules, regulations or programs that stifle teacher performance. The social programs are the worst. Forcing Teachers to deal with disruptive and sometimes violent students because of PC, destroys classroom continuity. Throw in 4 or 5 illegals that can't speak english. Oh yes, their scores count against you too. Clearly the answer is privatization and competition. But you need pols that are willing to relinquish control. As long as supporting the system is more important than supporting the children. Nothing will change.

74

Definitely OT - best wishes Vic, as a dedicated lurker I love your news updates - news from the US condensed for me late at night (here) and I hope all goes well with your chemo tomorrow

Bedtime for me in Sydney as it's after 1am Wednesday morning - and watch out everyone - it's full moon!

75 Tanks aussie

All, new Perry flame war thread up.

76 My friends and I used to ponder what people would do with their time if we ever achieved a Star Trek-like replicator technology and no one actually had to work for a living Occasionally in SF there's a story set in a post-scarcity economy. Here's an example (I think it won a Hugo) http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/ PLANCK/Complete/Planck.html What do they do? Explore a black hole!

77

"Is a trade war with China justified? Given our dependence on trade with China, I doubt it -- we can threaten and bluster all we want, but come down to it, we and the Chinese need each other. If we are serious about punishing China, then the solution is simple -- stop buying stuff from them."

I really don't meant to quibble here about symantix... but... how is "trade war" different from "stop buying stuff" to express our displeasure...

 Isn't that what a trade war IS?

And isn't the case for a trade war THIS: One country uses cheap labor costs to devastate another country's domestic industry.  As soon as the domestic industry under attack is destroyed, the other country then proceeds to jack up its labor and product costs, enabled by the fact the domestic industry is no longer around to compete with.  And since a major industry such as autos take years and huge amounts of capital to establish... it's not like the domestic industry can instantly rebound the moment the foreign companies raise prices.  ESPECIALLY when companies in the same industry from OTHER countries are using the same low labor tactics to establish a foothold in the domestic economy.

78 Off, robotic sock

79 Clueless Ignorance + Narcissistic Arrogance = OWS
Clueless Ignorance + Narcissistic Arrogance = BHO

I see the love match.

80 Monty, I just want to thank you for these posts. I rarely get to comment as I like to read through the red meat you provide; by the time I'm mostly done the thread is dead and the M&Ms are off chasing the next shiny butterfly.
 
Now I'm off to do some serious.......ooh, look, a shiny.

81 There was a caller on WMAL (DC) this morning who kept repeating that the OWS protests were about how it was impossible for hard-working people to get ahead in this economy because it was tilted toward "people who shuffle little pieces of paper with numbers on them" for a living. He used the "shuffle little pieces of paper" talking point like 8 or 9 times during the call, saying that these people got rich while people doing "meaningful, productive work" were shut out.

Finally, the host asked him, "What do you do for a living?"
He answered, "Media consultant."

Yeah, that's a real ... useful... line of work.

Coup de Grace: His solution was to return to the Eisenhower Era 70-90% tax rates because "Those rates encourage businesses to build factories and invest in technology instead of paying their executives exorbitant salaries."

82 Fell into a "prepper" site last night. By comparison Monty's post is one joyful thought after another. I can smell the sweet peas and lavender. Bliss, I tell you, sheer bliss.

83 I tend to agree, mostly because it would inevitably be gamed by the teachers and their union. Arnold Kling has the right idea: get the government out of the education business entirely, and let the competitive marketplace do its work.

I can already  hear the cries of health care education should not be "for profit".

84 I can already  hear the cries of health care education should not be "for profit".

Posted by: rockhead at October 11, 2011 10:42 AM (ZMHGo)

Right on! 

85
My friends and I used to ponder what people would do with their time if we ever achieved a Star Trek-like replicator technology and no one actually had to work for a living -- would we spend our time creating art, expanding the frontiers of science, and advancing civilization; or would we sit around all day watching TV and eating Cheetos out of a big tub?





You'd work in a replicator factory, assembling replicators......which would only be available via government license, with limits placed on the number and types of goods produced by the wonder machine.

86 When I dropped off my son to his elementary school today, parked in the Principal and Vice Principal parking slots - Mercedes S500s. Gaming the system? - that's pillaging. They don't even try to hide it....

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 11, 2011 09:21 AM (3gy1T)

Heh. We've got a retired LA cop up the street (N. Idaho) with the same.

87 Dumb as a bag of hammers, this guy.
__________

True story:

When I was doing the consulting engineering thing, I used to travel a lot. One day I was heading out of Salt Lake City. The security guys were crowded around something gaping at it. You know those hanging suit bags? Some idiot had tried to carry on one that will stuffed full of ball peen hammers.

That's how I came to know precisely how dumb a bag of hammers is.

88 the solution is simple -- stop buying stuff from them.

Been doing that for years at this point. I avoid Made in China as much as possible, especially with regards anything that might be food-related. I look for the Made in the USA label and buy that. It's usually better-quality anyway.

Failing that option, I buy used when I can. I try very hard not to send more money to the Chinese government.

89 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

90
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