1 I've got a hit of Doom for you.  http://tinyurl.com/3jefjw9
As with many things well-intentioned, this legislation is a multi-edged cutting tool that, in the wrong hands, might cut our throats. At a minimum it is a war-club where a fly-swatter would serve better. Internet censorship, initiated by just about anyone, is probably not what Rep. Lamar Hunt (R-TX) had in mind (or maybe it is!) but that is what this could lead us to. Do you want to trust that there are not folks on the left who might have a little dab of totalitarian in there DNA? Nah, me neither!

2 Lefty he can't sing the bluesGood Emmylou song.

3

I'll say it until i'm blue in the face:

Ohio not ready to take right steps but WISCONSIN is?!

Re-Aligning of state politics?

seriously to anyone living in OH when the taxes go up to pay for all that bs and things dont improve, give a nice middle finger to every fucker who starts complaining but voted for the repeal

4 Not the kind of numbers to throw a party over, but at least the line is moving in the right direction

The real question is, can you trust the numbers?

5 Here's more "actions have consequences" news:

Hamas boosting anti-aircraft arsenal with looted Libyan missiles

6 On the Greek default, and that is what 50% would be, keep in mind that the U.S. has guaranteed a lot of that damn debt though U.S.banks and we will be once gain in bailout BS hell.

7 Doom just makes me like ... uproared!!!!

8

Vic,

As much as like Emmy Lou, that's a Townes Van Zandt song.

Credit where credit is due, and all that.

9 Doom just makes me like ... uproared!!!!

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 27, 2011 09:01 AM (GvYeG)

you should see what Beck does when reading this post...

10 anything Obama does from now until the election is not intended to produce actual results, but simply to give the appearance of positive action.

As I said back when they first announced this, it only helps 3 States and two of those are swing States that Obama must have. CA, NV, and FL.

11 Earthquake in Berkley Ca. Will they notice?

12 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

13

As I said back when they first announced this, it only helps 3 States and two of those are swing States that Obama must have. CA, NV, and FL.

Obama has CA locked up

NV can go either way

Obama will have to fight extra hard to squeak out a win in FL

14 This clip is worth watching ...

That may be, but on my laptop running Firefox, all I get is a dude's mugshot with no playback controls.

15 As much as like Emmy Lou, that's a Townes Van Zandt song.

Pancho and Lefty has been done by a LOT of people. I just happen to like the Emmy Lou version. Next up the Merle Haggard/Willie Nelson version.

16

Too many people take on pets without realizing that there are significant expenses involved (both in time and money), and then simply abandon the pets when money gets tight.

This.  It frustrates and disgusts me no end.  I am hardly a PETA person, but the disregard many people have for their own pets is just... ARRGH! 

Here in NH we have a "Flying Chihauha" program.  The program flies chihauha's here for adoption from CA, which is overrun with the little dogs.  Why?  Because idiots see Paris Hilton carrying a puppy around in her shoulder bag and think, "Fashion accessory!"  Then they realize that chihauha's are hyper, yappy little dogs that need attention and activity and MONEY, and they dump them on the local shelters or out into the street. 

Are people so stupid they think having an animal is cheap? You think human healthcare is expensive, just wait until you have to pay the vet!

17 As much as like Emmy Lou, that's a Townes Van Zandt song.

People always attribute the tune to Willie Nelson (maybe because he did the most famous cover of it), but Townes Van Zandt actually did write it. TVZ was a terribly underrated artist, but he was also his own worst enemy in a lot of ways: a drunkard and an unreliable musician. Even so, I'm always amazed at how few people still listen to his stuff -- the Anthology 1968-1979 set is wonderful, if you can still find it. You can probably buy it used off of Amazon, but I'm too lazy to go look it up.

18 11 Earthquake in Berkley Ca. Will they notice?

Posted by: dagny at October 27, 2011 09:03 AM (rmDVL)

They'll blame it on frakking in the Bakken fields.

19 The markets, worldwide, are acting as though the Greek fire is under control. That smells like Doom smoke in the air, heh? So, can the Greeks pay back even half of what they owed yesterday. I just don't see it. They should bleed to death only half as fast now, I guess.

20 That cat is infested with pink brain slugs, and one is about to slip free of the spawning host. Quickly man, shoot it before they spread! .300 Win Mag oughta do the job.

21 The law thing is a nice sign of people coming around.  I've argued to friends for several years now that the bar exam should be open to anyone to take.  Actually, I'd be willing to compromise and require the same standards as accountants, which in most states is a bachelors and a certain number of hours of accounting classes. 

22 Posted by: Errol at October 27, 2011 08:53 AM (vewos)

Internet (really "any electronic") piracy is a tricky issue.  On the one hand, the entire point of intellectual property law is moot if the creators cannot protect their property.  On the other, this does open the door for massive abuses.

The thing is, though, that at least one of the premises on which the law is based is true: foreign websites do usually (or at least often) ignore take-down requests and such- so something has to be done about them.  Considering the amount of time it takes to get in front of a judge for a full hearing, that's a lot of time that some artist or writer is not being paid for a product they produced.

I don't know.  Maybe a better response would be to establish a special court specifically to review intellectual property claims, and to expedite hearings of fact in these kinds of cases?

23

I love her version as well.  Hell, she could cover a squeaky door hinge and make it sound good.

Anyway, just picking nits and giving credit to the songwriter.  I got my nic from one of his tunes (Mr. Mudd and Mr. Gold).

Back to DOOM! links.

24

Too many people take on pets without realizing that there are significant expenses involved (both in time and money), and then simply abandon the pets when money gets tight.

Most likely the same women and men who put their kids in daycare 6-7. They'd abandon them too if they could.

25 Everyday, a new tease of the EU DOOM.  Winners lately always get buggered for the losers, and DOOM means the winners get to win.

26 DOOM we much...and much DOOM we much...we must...DOOM much...

27 Most likely the same women and men who put their kids in daycare 6-7. They'd abandon them too if they could.

Or they work 12 hours a day.  One of the two.

Let's not paint with too broad a brush, hmm?

28 At least when children become inconvenient you can set them to work making wallets to earn their keep. 

29

then simply abandon the pets when money gets tight.

Had a new cat show up on my doorstep. Quite obviously an indoor dweller, she broke me down after 10 days of cleaning food plates to a shine. Now that she's inside, she doesn't want to leave. Sort of a long-haired Siamese with cross-eyes. Really sweet.

30 The whole problem with OWS and the media's constant drumming of the issue like a protestor's bongo is that THE left is trying to change the topic of the decade. Even if we were able to tighten the income gaps it would not change the real threats to our economy. Debt and unemployment are tearing down our economic structure every day, but the media and every democrat have deliberately taken America's eye off the ball. It's an election ploy that puts our country at peril. We are screwed unless we put the focus back on our debt.

31

The Epstein vid is great.  He repeatedly pwns the liberal interviewer, whose body language shows greater and greater agitation.  It's a thing of beauty.

32 The red, orange, and yellow autumn foliage reminds me: What's red, orange, and yellow and looks good on hippies?

33 Debt and unemployment are tearing down our economic structure every day, but the media and every democrat have deliberately taken America's eye off the ball.

They always have.  Democrats (crypto- or neo-Marxists, really) claim to believe that "income inequality" is the principle evil, and that everything else can be sacrificed to the cause of curing that evil.

Of course, in reality they just want the power that comes from making the population feel indebted to you.  It really is very much like Machiavelli's idea of letting a lion into a town just so you can drive it away and be the hero.

34 27 Most likely the same women and men who put their kids in daycare 6-7. They'd abandon them too if they could.

Or they work 12 hours a day.  One of the two.

Let's not paint with too broad a brush, hmm?

 

Like getting a pet, if you have to "store" it 12 hours a day it would probably be best not to bring it home.

35 32
The red, orange, and yellow autumn foliage reminds me: What's red, orange, and yellow and looks good on hippies?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 27, 2011 09:16 AM (p7SSh)

Tie-dye?

36

Like getting a pet, if you have to "store" it 12 hours a day it would probably be best not to bring it home.

Posted by: dagny at October 27, 2011 09:18 AM (rmDVL)

Yeah, but when the little buggers keep following you back, you eventually give in.

37 Tie-dye?

Tie-dye doesn't look good on anyone.

38 The red, orange, and yellow autumn foliage reminds me: What's red, orange, and yellow and looks good on hippies?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 27, 2011 09:16 AM (p7SSh)

The dripping remains of a hot dog with mustard and ketchup and a plate of nachos con queso thrown at said hippy from the window of a speeding F150.

39 Posted by: Vic at October 27, 2011 09:01 AM

I suppose the stock market will shoot upward today based on speculation that The Crisis Is Over, thanks to a lot of people taking only a 50% hit on Greece.

It's difficult when you despise the OWS people for their desire to destroy -- and steal from -- productive people and then see the Wall Street leeches playing silly-buggers with reality.

Oh, well. I bet Larry Kudlow is rubbing his hands with glee because his pals are getting rich(er) for no good reason.

40

Yeah, but when the little buggers keep following you back, you eventually give in.

Delay teaching them their last name, address or phone number as long as you can.

41

The law thing is a nice sign of people coming around.  I've argued to friends for several years now that the bar exam should be open to anyone to take.  Actually, I'd be willing to compromise and require the same standards as accountants, which in most states is a bachelors and a certain number of hours of accounting classes. 

I agree.  Heck, given the lack of actual education that goes on in most colleges today, I wouldn't even require a bachelor degree.  If you can pass it, you're in.  Really, law school is about learning the jargon and being trained (note I said trained, not taught) in the methodology of legal thinking.  At most, this would take three semesters and can be part of an undergrad program if desired.

I think the problems with legal education can be neatly summed up by the fact that nearly everyone takes a bar review course immediately after graduating law school in order to be sure they pass the bar. 

 

42   37 Tie-dye?

Tie-dye doesn't look good on anyone.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 27, 2011 09:19 AM (8y9MW)

Well, you got me there.

43

I think the problems with legal education can be neatly summed up by the fact that nearly everyone takes a bar review course immediately after graduating law school in order to be sure they pass the bar. 

 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 27, 2011 09:21 AM (VtjlW)

This.

44 The red, orange, and yellow autumn foliage reminds me: What's red, orange, and yellow and looks good on hippies?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 27, 2011 09:16 AM (p7SSh)

Nothing looks good on a hippie except for the dirt being shoveled onto his/her grave.

Btw, has it been confirmed that a cabal of Repuke cocksuckers here in Ohio set up Romney for a gotcha moment to use against Kasich?  Those quislings need to be rooted out and disposed of before next year.

45

Democrat utopia: Drain all private wealth (large and small) into the government and pay people to do nothing.

Drudge says it best - Obama is the candy man.

 

 

46 dagny lol

47 I suppose the stock market will shoot upward today based on speculation that The Crisis Is Over, thanks to a lot of people taking only a 50% hit on Greece.

Actually, I tend to agree with yesterday's assessment more.  Stocks (that is:private equities) and oil (probably all commodities) are up because people are fleeing from sovereign/government debt BEFORE the hammer falls.  No one wants to be the one to take that 50% (probably 100% in the long run) haircut.

48 Tool @ The Nation: The unholy alliance between the austerity class and supply-side conservatives, who talk a good game about deficits but in fact care principally about cutting taxes and government spending...

Which is, of course, how you reduce a Government deficit.

49 22 We do need really long-sharp fangs in these situations, no doubt about it, but I would rather be robbed, now and then, than enslaved. My paranoia meter bounces on the far peg when I start to think how quickly and easily we could be silenced. I agree with your proposed solution, expedited litigation, but I really think we need a "clean your own house" set of treaties, with consequences, nasty consequences, for countries that fail to keep their deals with us on piracy/theft.

50 productive people and then see the Wall Street leeches playing silly-buggers with reality

This crap is actually the government all the way. The world bank buys these bonds. The world bank is a collection of commercial banks. The U.S. government guarantees about 20% of these loans/bonds (IOW it is Fannie and Freddie for the world).

When the country defaults that 20% we guarantee has to be paid to the associated banks that take the hit. (the rest of the guarantees are mostly Europe and the Far East)

Of course the MFM will scream WS bailout again. If I had my way it would illegal for the U.S government to guarantee any loan to anybody. I have never seen that as a listed authority for the feds anyway.

51 Which is, of course, how you reduce a Government deficit.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 27, 2011 09:27 AM (PLvLS)

Everybody knows you reduce a government deficit by taking on more debt.  You Republicans sure are dumb!

52 I think the problems with legal education can be neatly summed up by the fact that nearly everyone takes a bar review course immediately after graduating law school in order to be sure they pass the bar.

It's pretty much universally acknowledged that law school does not prepare you to take the bar exam. 

Going to a bachelor degree + hours would keep law schools around, however they would have to start offering undergraduate programs.  To be honest, it would also give a lot of students currently in worthless majors a better direction.  At least when I was in school a lot of the philosophy/polisci/history majors were looking to apply to law school after graduation.  Let them go straight to a legal education path and stop wasting money and time elsewhere.

A lot of this can also be applied to the medical field.  We need to make PA programs undergraduate level and increase the number of programs available by ending the artificial restrictions placed by the government on the number of students.  An MD should be an administrator, supervisor and specialist.  PAs and RNs can handle probably 80% of the medical issues that walk through a door without anything but a regular record review.

53 OT:  Has anyone else heard the ads for "Get Out of Our House?" (goooh.com if you're interested).  Considering they seem to be pushing specifically third-party runs, I'm highly suspicious of their motives, but I haven't the time to do the research to find out who's really backing them.

54

It's nice to know it only took the crushing weight of wave after wave of negative public opinion to get the Occupy Baltimore idiots to revise their guidelines for reporting a sexual assault.

I find this rich, though.

Instances of sexual abuse and assault will be handled according to the expressed desires of the victim. The Security and Medical teams are equipped with a list of resources, including contact information for the police, hospitals, sexual assault hotlines, and womenÂ’s shelters. In these instances, #Occupy Baltimore welcomes the involvement of the Baltimore City Police and encourages victims to report crimes.

If it were me, I think my expressed desire would be to tie the naked rapist to a tree and sodomize him with a cactus (or her, in the rare instance it's a woman).  I think the do-gooder wusses at Occupy Baltimore wouldn't be willing to go along with that. 

55

"Drumming has been going on late at night," she said.

Other residents echoed Menin's complaints, CBS News station WCBS-TV in New York reports.

"There is drumming," resident Ro Sheffe said. "There are trumpets. There are bugles. There are tambourines. There's yelling and shouting and chanting late into the night."

More drumming issues. I thought the Supreme Soviet had resolved this

56

 The unholy alliance between the austerity class and supply-side conservatives, who talk a good game about deficits but in fact care principally about cutting taxes and government spending...

Wow.  I actually felt the brain cells dying from stupid while I read that. 

On the income inequality thing, I've gone from making just above poverty wages, to making very nice money indeed, to taking a massive paycut but still making a decentish salary and that's all just in the last ten years.  My life, my choices, my decisions all lead to those outcomes.  Did things outside my control affect those choices and decisions?  Of course.  But it's not like I was locked via some type of edict into being unable to move between income brackets.

 

 

57 but I really think we need a "clean your own house" set of treaties, with consequences, nasty consequences, for countries that fail to keep their deals with us on piracy/theft.

Good luck getting China and the NORKs (the principle foreign culprits, I believe) to agree to that.

58 Like getting a pet, if you have to "store" it 12 hours a day it would probably be best not to bring it home. I know WAY too many women whose salaries are a wash when daycare is taken into account - or even, they pay MORE for the care than they could possibly make. Not to mention all the "low-income" moms who are not working who use free daycare . . . so what is going on here? My friends mentioned above would NOT have been able to have children if they hadn't been able to stick them in daycare. To a woman they nearly lost it during their few weeks of mat leave. And some hired in-home care then too!

59 Just remember: anything Obama does from now until the election is not intended to produce actual results, but simply to give the appearance of positive action.


What? Barry's full of shit. The deuce you say!

60

On the pets, I love dogs and have always had one myelf, however I can understand people getting rid of their pets.

If you're in a position where you lose your house and have to move into an animal free apartment, or you can't barely afford food for your kids, what option do you have?

It's hard to foresee your own destitution.  

It's sad, really sad, but necessary because people and family members come first.

Pets are expensive and if you're in a position where you can't afford your families bills, you certainly won't be able to afford the pets bills

61 My friends mentioned above would NOT have been able to have children if they hadn't been able to stick them in daycare. To a woman they nearly lost it during their few weeks of mat leave. And some hired in-home care then too!

See, that's sad to me.  If you want a child as an ornament or some status symbol, I think that's selfish-bordering-on-evil.  But, with me and my wife, she was(is) making enough money over and above daycare expenses that it makes sense for her to work.  That is- we couldn't pay all our bills if she didn't.

That changes in January, God willing.  Then she'll stay home with them.  Until then, I drop them of around 6:30, and she picks them up between 6 & 6:30.  It sucks, but there it is.

62 Chihuahuas aren't dogs really.

63

More drumming issues. I thought the Supreme Soviet had resolved this

 

J.J. Sefton mentioned in the Headlines thread that the filthy hippies kept him up late last night. 

He was a bit irritated.

64 O/T:

Former UN weapons inspector to get jail time

Convicted sex predator, Scott Ritter, will spend the next 18 to 66 months in prison
...

He wanted his conviction overturned, arguing records from two previous incidents in New York should not have been used at trial. That includes an arrest in Colonie.   

Today, the judge denied that request, as well as a request for bail.

65 If you're in a position where you lose your house and have to move into an animal free apartment, or you can't barely afford food for your kids, what option do you have?

And certainly there is some of that, but I really get the sense there are a lot of people who take on pets because they like the idea of a pet.  Then the reality sets in and they don't want to deal with it, or they didn't plan properly and can't really afford a pet (regardless of any change in circumstances).

66

 At least when I was in school a lot of the philosophy/polisci/history majors were looking to apply to law school after graduation. 

I must say I find that hilarious since my undergrad program was a triple major in philosophy, polisci and history.  When asked what I was going to do with it, I said "um go to law school, what other possible use is there for those majors". 

On the Occupy Baltimore sexual assault thingy, I am going to guess that someone *koff*ACORN*koff* realized that uh oh we're gonna get sued for knowingly creating a hazardous situation by publicizing that police involvement in rape accusations would be discouraged.  My first thought when I read the prior position was "oh I could have so much fun with that in litigation". 

67 Which is, of course, how you reduce a Government deficit.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 27, 2011 09:27 AM (PLvLS)

Something stoopid coming from the publication of Katranny vanden Trustfund?  I didn't see that coming.....

68 To be fair (I'm in a sort of ritzy area of SE PA, I guess supposedly one of the richest counties) I also know a lot of moms who don't even work and have fulltime nannies - sometimes more than one! I don't mean to pile on moms who have to work!

69 On the income inequality thing, I've gone from making just above poverty wages, to making very nice money indeed, to taking a massive paycut but still making a decentish salary and that's all just in the last ten years.  My life, my choices, my decisions all lead to those outcomes.  Did things outside my control affect those choices and decisions?  Of course.  But it's not like I was locked via some type of edict into being unable to move between income brackets.

I'll repeat what I said last night: My sister graduated with a degree in linguistics.  She currently works at Fred Meyer.  She could easily teach Russian or German, or if she improved her fluency in Russian she could get a job as an interpreter.  Both of those things require effort, however, which she is not willing to put in.  She'd have to either get her teaching certificate (not that difficult, especially as our Aunt would no doubt be willing to help her) or take a few more Russian language courses and practice in her spare time.  Naturally, she is an OWS supporter big time.  The good news is that she's been able to find two jobs in the past year, because she does have a good work ethic and knows how to show up on time, dressed appropriately, and work hard without a sense of entitlement.

70 57 Yeah, okay, I am more depressed than I was before ... now. The NORK's are "bad" honey badgers, and the emerging super power can always say "yes" and do "no". This IS the Doom thread!

71

Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 27, 2011 09:32 AM (SB0V2)

I have a neighbor who recently decided to go to work early and pick her kids up at the end of the school day so she could manage the homework herself--apparently the quality of afterschool care homework help was no muy bueno.

Anyway, she now waves her overmanicured (tacky) 3 in nails around bemoaning her fate. Spending those extra hours with her now 15, 13 and 8 year olds is soooooo awful. She calls me at least once a day asking questions--she's so new to this parenting thing. She spends half that time on the porch smoking.

72 I also know a lot of moms who don't even work and have fulltime nannies - sometimes more than one!

I'm not sure what I think about those.  Again, it depends on circumstances.  I have a friend who rented a room from us for a while (before we had two kids), who was a rent-a-nanny.  Some of her clients were like that.  Sometimes there are legit reasons for it (mom sick, mom had a litter, whatever), so I'm okay with those.  For the ones -again- who wanted an ornament or status-symbol- they make me ill.

73

Posted by: dagny at October 27, 2011 09:40 AM (rmDVL)

LOL.  Dagny, you sure know some interesting people.

My end of town doesn't seem to have these types.

Or maybe I'm oblivious...which is a distinct possibility.

74 And certainly there is some of that, but I really get the sense there are a lot of people who take on pets because they like the idea of a pet.  Then the reality sets in and they don't want to deal with it, or they didn't plan properly and can't really afford a pet (regardless of any change in circumstances).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 27, 2011 09:37 AM (8y9MW)

Absolutely true.  They don't count on the amount of time, work, persistence, and attention it takes, and don't handle it well when those things become apparent. 

75 Yeah, okay, I am more depressed than I was before ... now. The NORK's are "bad" honey badgers, and the emerging super power can always say "yes" and do "no". This IS the Doom thread!

If there were an argument to be made for a single world government (and I don't believe there is: but if a legitimate one existed), it would be based in the existence of the internet, and what that means for commerce and intellectual property.

76 I must say I find that hilarious since my undergrad program was a triple major in philosophy, polisci and history.  When asked what I was going to do with it, I said "um go to law school, what other possible use is there for those majors".

A buddy of mine is a poli sci major looking to go get his masters degree.  Even he admits is pretty useless.  However, he is a very smart Army officer who knew what he wanted to do before he entered college, and he's going into strategic plans and policy so it may actually have some use for him. 

77

ha, i knew it stocks are going to blow up today.

 

i bought a bunch of dirt cheap stocks in the past few weeks. short term gains baby!

78

Even he admits is pretty useless.  However, he is a very smart Army officer who knew what he wanted to do before he entered college, and he's going into strategic plans and policy so it may actually have some use for him. 

Posted by: Alex at October 27, 2011 09:42 AM (VLSgZ)

Sounds like your friend is my doppelganger.

That's exactly what I did - right down the the 15th year switch to SP&P.

79

I love this.  Compare these two headlines between CNBC and CNN Money about the 2.5% GDP growth.

CNBC (from Monty's link):
Economy Posts 2.5% Growth; Jobless Claims Hold Steady

CNN Money:
GROWTH NEARLY DOUBLES

In-frigging-credible.

80 I don't get why anyone would even want to retire and cease being economically productive.

81 Dang, 'rons. Get some coffee in you. What's red, orange, and yellow and looks good on hippies? Fire.

82

My end of town doesn't seem to have these types.

Or maybe I'm oblivious...which is a distinct possibility.

Oh, you have them. I know them. Here's the key phrase to watch for, " I just have to get rid of the kids at _________. (Fill in the blank with golf, soccer, club, pool, nanny, playdate, extended day, youth group, cub scouts, etc.) If they think of the activities or home improvements as ways to "get rid" of the kids then there they are. BI and St Stephens are full of them.

83

I don't get why anyone would even want to retire and cease being economically productive.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 27, 2011 09:46 AM (PLvLS)

I don't either, and I have no idea whay there are so many more of that type around that when I was a kid.  My parents knew people who were working in their 70s, just because they liked working.

84

>>>And certainly there is some of that, but I really get the sense there are a lot of people who take on pets because they like the idea of a pet. Then the reality sets in and they don't want to deal with it, or they didn't plan properly and can't really afford a pet (regardless of any change in circumstances).

 

Yeah, you're probably right for the most part.

Then again, now is probably a great time to go down to the shelter and get that pure bred dog you couldn't afford.

Hopefully people are taking advantage of that.

 

85 16

Are people so stupid they think having an animal is cheap? You think human healthcare is expensive, just wait until you have to pay the vet!

I wish I could shop and compare for human health care way that I can for veterinary care.  A knee operation for a dog?  1500.00.   A knee operation for a person?  25K, if your lucky.

86 Anyone else trying to argue with OWS retards on Facebook and Twitter? There's less of a smell that way.

87 Doom schmoom -- I'm doing the Snoopy happy-dance:

Scott Ritter was ordered to serve at least five and a half years in prison Wednesday.  Ritter was convicted on sex charges in April.

88

If they think of the activities or home improvements as ways to "get rid" of the kids then there they are.

I know BI is.  Hell, St. Mary's too.

But I don't travel in those circles. 

89

A knee operation for a dog?  1500.00. 

$1,500?  Really?

I paid $3,500 for a TPLO on my Am Staf.  You must be well below the Mason-Dixon line.

90 Sounds like your friend is my doppelganger.

Heh.  Did you attend the Citadel?

91

Hermit crap escaped in the basement when I hid him down there during a dinner party. I was thrilled because there would have been no way to find the increasingly large creepy arachnid. Figured he'd die for lack of food and water. One month later I find him under a damp dishtowel in front of the washer. Sigh. He's fine and missed my sister's trip to the beach where he could have been "set free".

Everybody else's kids' hermit crabs and fish die. Not mine.

92 don't get why anyone would even want to retire and cease being economically productive.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 27, 2011 09:46 AM (PLvLS)

Its the best damn job I ever had. I had worked almost my whole life. And my last job the last 5 years I had got to where I hating to even go into work the shit was so bad. They offered an early retirement option and I jumped on it like Honey Badger on a bee hive.

93 I don't get why anyone would even want to retire and cease being economically productive.

You know, I've never known anyone for whom "retirement" meant ceasing to be at least marginally economically productive- until they absolutely could not work anymore.

My Grampa kept running his farm as a feed-growing operation (primarily hay for cattle) right up until my parents forced him to move closer to them.  Some friends from my home town (is it weird that I had friends who were in their 60s when I was in my teens?) "retired" to become master wood-carvers whose pieces (both statuary and furniture) sold for hundreds or thousands of dollars a piece.

94

 However, he is a very smart Army officer who knew what he wanted to do before he entered college, and he's going into strategic plans and policy so it may actually have some use for him. 

My vague impression is that for military officers a master's in political science is one of the preferred degrees.  That and management oriented degrees.  Why?  Because that's actual real world implementation of theory as opposed to me who prefers to play with my pretty little perfect theoretical pretend worlds in the clouds.  In my defense, I know that theory =/= reality and that reality will always, always win.

95 I feel like shit this morning. Didn't sleep a wink. Every time I closed my eyes, I kept seeing that... Thing that ace posted a picture of last night. It called itself "Rachel", but I think that's just because our human tongues can't pronounce its true name.

96

Heh.  Did you attend the Citadel?
Posted by: Alex at October 27, 2011 09:52 AM (VLSgZ)

No.  ROTC from a small Catholic college.  Retired in 2006, but I had the exact same career path.

As long as he's OK with never having a shot at flag rank, SP&P was an enjoyable 6 years.  It also has post-reirement value in the six figure range.

97

>>Then again, now is probably a great time to go down to the shelter and get that pure bred dog you couldn't afford

>>Depends on the pure breed. Six months.....still no Alaskan Malamute to be found.

 

I'm sure shelters have Labs and Goldens coming out the ass.

I'm an OES man myself.  They're never at shelters. Occasionally you can find one in a specialized rescue league as I didn't with my second one.

I'm sure the shelters have a bunch of the more common breeds

 

98 still no Alaskan Malamute to be found.

I would love a Malamute, but I'm not that mean.  Can you imagine a dog bred for cold weather like that forced to live through a Texas summer?  Even keeping them inside, they have to go out sometimes.

99 I see that Perry has found a solution to his debate problems. Good for him.

100 @ Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 27, 2011 09:48 AM (sbV1u)

I get that, at a certain point, I'll no longer be able to contribute professionally at my current level, but I have to believe I will be capable of contributing something well into my seventies.

101 Because that's actual real world implementation of theory as opposed to me who prefers to play with my pretty little perfect theoretical pretend worlds in the clouds.  In my defense, I know that theory =/= reality and that reality will always, always win. That's because you're not a politician. Not only are they able to defy, defer or redefine reality as a matter of course, it actually provides them with job security to do so. They're not smart, but they are cunning.

102 I see that Perry has found a solution to his debate problems. Good for him.

Oh good.  A flame war in the Doom thread.  It's chilly in Dallas anyway.
(kidding, kidding).

I presume you're referring to his staffer not committing to any debates after Michigan?

103 It called itself "Rachel", but I think that's just because our human tongues can't pronounce its true name. Posted by: Empire o' Jeff


Bwah ha hah hahahah ha ha. Good one.

104 My vague impression is that for military officers a master's in political science is one of the preferred degrees.  That and management oriented degrees.  Why?  Because that's actual real world implementation of theory as opposed to me who prefers to play with my pretty little perfect theoretical pretend worlds in the clouds.  In my defense, I know that theory =/= reality and that reality will always, always win.

It's that, but also there is an unfortunate attitude among a number of officers that an officer should have a 2.5 GPA and a 310 PT score. 

Criminal justice is pretty well over represented as well among officers, especially former enlisted as it is offered at a lot of schools with part-time/evening/online programs.  The goal is generally to just get the damn piece of paper and get the commission.

105

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 27, 2011 09:56 AM (PLvLS)

You're cut from a different cloth than most these days.

My Mom is 72, and she works at CVS for "something to do."  She doesn't need the money.  When I tell her to just take it easy because she's earned it, she looks at me like I have 3 heads.

"I wasn't raised that way, and I didn't raise you that way."

I'm still trying to figure out exactly when I became my parents.

106 They're not smart, but they are cunning.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 27, 2011 09:56 AM (vzFJV)

They are Slytherins.

...

*facepalm*  Sorry.  Sorry.  I'm still trying to get over my geek-out on the Trekkie threads yesterday.

107

>> don't get why anyone would even want to retire and cease being economically productive.

Me neither. I guess it depends on how much you love your work and consider it to be the main purpose of your life and whether or not you have any hobbies outside of work.

Joe Paterno is the perfect example. The man does nothing besides football.  I'm not sure if he still wants to coach or if he knows that when he quits he'll probably kill over because there is nothing else for him

108 Can you imagine a dog bred for cold weather like that forced to live through a Texas summer?

My brother had a Siberian Husky in middle GA. He would fill a number 2 washtub up with water in the summer and the dog would sit in it.

That was one of the nicest and kid-friendliest dog I have ever known. He got out one afternoon and got hit by a damn motor home.

109 OT - #occupyDS

110 That was one of the nicest and kid-friendliest dog I have ever known. He got out one afternoon and got hit by a damn motor home.

That sucks.  We had to put down our Rottweiler earlier this year- she was old and got a bunch of tumors in her stomach.  There were so many, they didn't even biopsy them.

111

It's that, but also there is an unfortunate attitude among a number of officers that an officer should have a 2.5 GPA and a 310 PT score. 

Oh dear God, I see that still hasn't changed.  What used to really bother me about those types was that they had zero common sense (but great PT!!!). 

You could see what was going to happen with their decisions, you could point it out to them, they'd do it their way anyway with predictable results, and then look at you later like it was all your fault.

My time as a Battalion XO sucked because of that.  Ops was fun though.

112 Everybody else's kids' hermit crabs and fish die.

My son had hermit crabs for years (yeah, I took care of them).  They never died and grew out of one shell after another.  I finally got tired of taking care of them.  I asked his grade school science teacher at the time if she wanted them for her classroom.  She was happy to have them. 

113
  Interesting about work and retirement. Having worked over 40 years in a career I absolutely loved, being told I was no longer required really hurt. At the beginning, learning they would actually pay me for something I'd do for free was exhilarating.

  Now, in "retirement", it's still fun to dabble at my discretion in my profession--on cars that hold far more interest than modern offerings. And the money ain't too shabby, either.

114 Alright!  Who left out the keys to the liquor cabinet again?  I told you not to do that! 

http://tinyurl.com/3s8kla5

115

No.  ROTC from a small Catholic college.  Retired in 2006, but I had the exact same career path.

As long as he's OK with never having a shot at flag rank, SP&P was an enjoyable 6 years.  It also has post-reirement value in the six figure range.

Good to hear.  He has no desire for flag rank as he has a soul.  Actually, he almost ended his career when a LTC told him that Afghans, Iranians and Iraqis where all the same people.  Luckily the helos arrived just then to take them back to base.

I was looking at a couple of tracks, including an ISR manager track.  Unfortunately, it would mean being desk bitch at Divisions for the rest of my life.  FAO might be nice, but I think everyone tries to get that.  Knowing my luck, I'd be stuck in some shit hole African country.

116 What's red, orange, and yellow and looks good on hippies?

Fire.

So, you'll be wanting those flamethrowers after all?

117 Insomniac at October 27, 2011 09:42 AM Morning rons. When I first met my wife she had a black lab, I hated that dog. Over time I fell in love with it. She contracted lupus and I had to put her down. I have buried a parent and many relatives and I had never experienced such inconsolable grief as I did when I had to put that dog down. We went for twelve years without owning another pet. We talked about it and finally got another one last year. If its possible, to have a dog and you have kids, I think you should have a dog. They teach empathy. We nic named her the social boat anchor. Much like a child, they figure into your plans for travel and day to day life planning. She is family, and if the situation arose I would sacrifice one of my meals to make sure she ate. Our problem for abandon animals is UNC Wilmington. Literally dozens of abandon dogs and cats every year. I don't know what kind of parents raise these narcissistic brain dead POS kids, but they can throw animals away like trash. We have three volunteer no-kill shelters that are at capacity. If you have a kid or relative going off to college, please talk to them about the difficulties of having pets. Like was said up thread. It seems like a good idea with good intentions, but in the end, it causes much suffering to our furry friends.

118 HuffPo reporting on people suggesting that Greece should leave the EU.  Oh yeah.  That'll work... for like a week.

119 You could see what was going to happen with their decisions, you could point it out to them, they'd do it their way anyway with predictable results, and then look at you later like it was all your fault.

And then there were my brother and Father (Army and Marines, respectively).  My Dad never made it above Corporal (in Vietnam) because he wasn't a huge fan of taking orders from people who were dumber than him, and my brother made a concerted effort never to rise above E-4, because he'd have to deal with officers more often, then.

He got in trouble once on his tour in Iraq (something stupid that shouldn't have gotten him in trouble) and his "punishment" was that he wasn't allowed to be sarcastic for the rest of his tour.

120 My wife received a call from some "group: telling her that she rated $7.000 from the guvment because she paid her mortgage and played by the rules. Funny, since I pay the mortgage, I was not offered $7K. I am not sure if this is a loan or a gift. Has anyone else received such a call lately? Seems to me we have a new incarnation of walking around money. Imagine the celebration in Obamaville when Obama's stash comes in just before November? Just askin.

121 Whoever it was asking about GOOOH, so far I've traced their domain registration to an Australian registry outfit.  That doesn't bode well.

122 This info is a terrific read. Thanks for the info.I am looking forward for more updates. ipad 3 converter  hulu converter  convert mts files

123 Sub-Tard at October 27, 2011 10:06 AM Did they need her SSN and banking info so they could deposit the check?

124 My wife received a call from some "group: telling her that she rated $7.000 from the guvment because she paid her mortgage and played by the rules.

That sounds like a fishy scam call. My MIL gets those kinds of calls all the time.

125 There's an old man who works for an exterminator company, comes by my house every quarter to spray for bugs. Turns out, he actually used to own two restaurants, sold them for seven figures and retired. But he got so bored he took the exterminator job just to keep busy.

I can't imagine being useless. The closest I'd come to retiring is buying a farm and growing pumpkins or something.

126

FAO might be nice, but I think everyone tries to get that.  Knowing my luck, I'd be stuck in some shit hole African country.

For some reason a lot of FA guys end up in FAO.  I had a buddy who was an FAO in Cameroon.  He loved it.  He was annoyed that his next job was in Paris.  I was dumbfounded. 

Third World shit holes are just not my thing.  A visit to Rwanda will tend to do that to a person.  Give me Paris any day.  Mocking cheese-eating surrender monkeys to their face is high entertainment.

127

Joe Paterno is the perfect example. The man does nothing besides football.  I'm not sure if he still wants to coach or if he knows that when he quits he'll probably kill over because there is nothing else for him

Posted by: Ben at October 27, 2011 09:58 AM (wuv1c)

I'm sure the Bear Bryant experience weighs heavily on him.  I think another factor is that his brother, who was about the only person he'd listen to that offered him good advice, died a few years ago so there went his major reality check.  His wife probably hectors him to stay on so that their son can be gainfully employed, knowing he'd be dumped as soon as Joe left.  I lurk at a Penn State Scout board and the attitude there has gone from blind adherence to everything Joe did to trying to wait him out.

128

That was one of the nicest and kid-friendliest dog I have ever known. He got out one afternoon and got hit by a damn motor home.

 

I have two Sibes.  They truly are sweet dogs.  They will run, though.  Damnest escape artists I've ever seen.

Left the young one in her crate the other day at 6:30.  When my wife came home to let her out at lunch time that damned dog had somehow managed to release the latch and was running around the house creating a ruckus with the older male.

I wish I had a video camera set up so I could see how she managed that.

129 That doesn't bode well.

Yeah, I was getting suspicious already.  Anyone who wants to run third-party candidates, instead of working through the primaries, first, concerns me greatly.

130 15 As much as like Emmy Lou, that's a Townes Van Zandt song.

Pancho and Lefty has been done by a LOT of people. I just happen to like the Emmy Lou version. Next up the Merle Haggard/Willie Nelson version.

Posted by: Vic at October 27, 2011 09:06 AM (YdQQY)

Jumping in late, I like Townes "Live at the Bluebird Cafe" best. Just him and a guitar.

131
Oh dear God, I see that still hasn't changed.  What used to really bother me about those types was that they had zero common sense (but great PT!!!). 

You could see what was going to happen with their decisions, you could point it out to them, they'd do it their way anyway with predictable results, and then look at you later like it was all your fault.

My time as a Battalion XO sucked because of that.  Ops was fun though.

They're still around.  Unfortunately they'll be making a comeback as the Army downsizes.  The guys who are smart enough to know how the world works and to be able to solve problems will get booted because they don't drink the kool-aid and because they're happy to get a 240 and go back to reading the news instead of watching ESPN.

And being a BN XO is simply a soul sucking job no matter what.  It's supposed to be that way.  It breaks young majors of their idealism and pride at being promoted to the field grade ranks by reminding them that they are the equivalent of a second lieutenant to a whole new group of officers.

132

He got in trouble once on his tour in Iraq (something stupid that shouldn't have gotten him in trouble) and his "punishment" was that he wasn't allowed to be sarcastic for the rest of his tour.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls

Beats an Article 15.

Of course if that were my my next question would have been, "Well, then may I be suitably ironic?

133 127 Sub-Tard at October 27, 2011 10:06 AM

Did they need her SSN and banking info so they could deposit the check?   She is too smart for that. I do believe they were asking for information, but she wisely told no.

134 More registry info for goooh.com.

135 Of course if that were my my next question would have been, "Well, then may I be suitably ironic?

He may have.  This is the same guy who said to his LT (after hearing some plan that wasn't) "I like this plan.  I'm glad to be a part of it."

136

I realized I haven't put in my .00000002 cents (inflation and value adjusted) on the important topic:  dogs.

I don't have a dog because a. I don't want to leave the poor thing home alone all day while I work and b. I can't bear the heartbreak when the doglet would pass on.  My mom's brittany spaniel just had to have a large growth removed which turned out to be cancerous but caught in time and just the thought of her being sick made me weep.  I do kind of have the best of both worlds though.  When I want to play with the dog, I stop by the 'rents, play with the dog, then leave.

That being said, I would love to have a pair of Irish wolfhounds.  Of course, I would also love to have the 100+ acres needed for them to run.  Boy BFF has a French bulldog that is so fugly she's adorable.  He and the wife are insane about that dog, to the point that I told them if this is how they're going to be with kids, for the love of all that's unholy, don't have kids.   

137

@52

Otter: Take it easy, I'm pre-law.
Boon: I thought you were pre-med.
Otter: What's the difference?

138

don't get why anyone would even want to retire and cease being economically productive.

In some cases it's just not possible to keep doing the job you're doing, so you have to stop.  My dad is close to seventy and he retired a couple of years ago.  He was a self-employed flooring installer for, oh, forty some-odd years.  But once you start getting into the mid-60s, it's hard to carry huge rolls of carpet or vinyl, move furniture, fend off homeowners' dogs, and deal with idiots all on your own.  He tried working with other people from time to time and couldn't do it.  "Hackers and slashers" he calls them; they didn't care about getting the job done right.  They just wanted to get the job DONE.  That's when you get sloppy joins, bubbles in your vinyl, seams down the middle of your kitchen floor.  A lot of the work my father got was when he'd be called in to fix other people's crappy jobs.

The few times he worked for various flooring businesses, rather than for himself, he sent more than one "assistant" off close to tears because they were incredibly stupid and/or lazy. 

Now picture my father trying to put up with some idiot snot-nosed kid of the OWS generation.  Or an illegal who barely speaks English.

He tried doing some janitorial work shortly after he retired, but he couldn't deal with his idiot bosses, all of whom were younger than him and figured, because he was older, it meant he was stupid.  Um, no.

That's why he retired.  It was that or end up in prison for involuntary manslaughter for hitting some moron on the head with a hammer for being a useless waste of life.

He does little improvements around the house now, and he's taken over doing the cooking.  And he LIKES it.  So power to him, that's my take!

139

For some reason a lot of FA guys end up in FAO.  I had a buddy who was an FAO in Cameroon.  He loved it.  He was annoyed that his next job was in Paris.  I was dumbfounded. 

Third World shit holes are just not my thing.  A visit to Rwanda will tend to do that to a person.  Give me Paris any day.  Mocking cheese-eating surrender monkeys to their face is high entertainment.

I feel sorry for FA guys, because the only real potential arty battle around would be across the DMZ, and that'll last all of two minutes total.  They end up becoming infantrymen, only with fewer numbers to do the same job.

Personally, I think the Army should have taken over all ICBMs and let FA run it.

140 130

FAO might be nice, but I think everyone tries to get that.  Knowing my luck, I'd be stuck in some shit hole African country.

For some reason a lot of FA guys end up in FAO.  I had a buddy who was an FAO in Cameroon.  He loved it.  He was annoyed that his next job was in Paris.  I was dumbfounded. 

Third World shit holes are just not my thing.  A visit to Rwanda will tend to do that to a person.  Give me Paris any day.  Mocking cheese-eating surrender monkeys to their face is high entertainment.

 

Paris is expensive and smells of piss. Try to get Chile.

141 I'll retire working for the man as soon as it's financially possible and won't miss a minute of it. Of course my job has every top ten causes of a stressful job.

142

>>>>My wife received a call from some "group: telling her that she rated $7.000 from the guvment because she paid her mortgage and played by the rules. Funny, since I pay the mortgage, I was not offered $7K. I am not sure if this is a loan or a gift. Has anyone else received such a call lately? Seems to me we have a new incarnation of walking around money. Imagine the celebration in Obamaville when Obama's stash comes in just before November? Just askin.

 

Sub-Tar, that sounds like a scam.

 

Also a bit of advice you for small business owners, the IRS never sends e-mails. So if you get an e-mail from the "IRS" ignore it.  They will only contact you via direct mail or occasionally telephone.

143

And being a BN XO is simply a soul sucking job no matter what.  It's supposed to be that way.  It breaks young majors of their idealism and pride at being promoted to the field grade ranks by reminding them that they are the equivalent of a second lieutenant to a whole new group of officers.

My best times were when the insignia I wore was gold.  The best.

I came to a battalion late in my majority.  I had done 3 years in the Pentagon (starting as a senior Captain) in the Chief's office before heading off to intermediate service college. 

Don't feel too bad for me though, my reward for that Hell was the Naval War College instead of a year at Leavenworth for the "short course."  Sometimes, there is justice. 

144

>>>I'll retire working for the man as soon as it's financially possible and won't miss a minute of it. Of course my job has every top ten causes of a stressful job.

Fluffing Mitt Romney can be tough.

 

I keeed I keed.

145  You could see what was going to happen with their decisions, you could point it out to them, they'd do it their way anyway with predictable results, and then look at you later like it was all your fault.

I see you've met my ex-wife and ex-in-laws.

146 Oh, and for those who might be curious, it's possible to pay extra for most domain registry services to have your domain info 'private', that is, not sniffed out in a minute or so like I just did to Mr. Tim Cox, owner of www.goooh.com in Texas.

Let this be a lesson to you all...

147 @139 - Okay, doing research resulting from that link, it looks like the guy is, at least, honest in his intentions.  He's been leading the same effort for a couple of years, from what I can tell, I just hadn't heard of them until now.

That said, I still think it's probably a bad idea.

148 @AllenG, Your brother needs to get out, then. The Army isn't designed to operate efficiently. It doesn't want soldiers who "know" they're smarter than everyone around them, and further, the system resents those who rail against the stupidity and inefficiencies. I suffered from much the same frustrations, but I was never going to purposely retard my own advancement for a such a ridiculous reason. I did turn down the E-6 board twice in my last year because I knew I'd be ETSing and didn't think it would be fair to take a slot someone else wanted (this was pre 9-11). When you become an NCO, though, you do get the ability to effect change over the day-to-day things that impact you daily. And it allows you to pass on your values and views to your troops. The Army doesn't work perfectly, but it DOES work. Part of growing up is learning to suck it the fuck up, change the things you can for the better, and keep your fucking mouth shut about the rest until it's Miller Time. Besides, what fun is soldiering if you don't have something to piss and moan about, hooah?

149 That being said, I would love to have a pair of Irish wolfhounds. Of course, I would also love to have the 100+ acres needed for them to run. Misconception! Irish Wolfhounds and Scottish Deerhounds (and Danes) do WONDERFULLY in small spaces! I knew lots of people who kept them in the city. I had two Chows as did my neighbor. All of these are great city dogs - they are sofa-hounds! Not high-energy, not loud, and surprisingly clean (well, all except Danes!). They need their walks (well, all except Chows!) and lots of love and food - and never free-feed a lot at once with these guys - but they are so wonderfully easy-going. These are my favorite of all dog breeds. Only downside is short life. THAT is the hardest thing with Deerhounds/Wolfhounds/Danes.

150 152:  Jibes with what I'm seeing, the domain's been in his name since '06 (interesting timing) and is set to expire next August.  Still odd he goes through an Aussie registrar, but maybe that's where he got the best deal.

151

Besides, what fun is soldiering if you don't have something to piss and moan about, hooah?

When I was a 2LT my 1SG used to say, "It's good when soldiers complain.  It's when they stop that you have to worry, because that means they've made up their mind about something."

Of course, he also used to say, "Well, there you go again Lieutenant - thinking.  Stop that."

152 Alex - icap?

153 They need their walks (well, all except Chows!) and lots of love and food - and never free-feed a lot at once with these guys - but they are so wonderfully easy-going.

You have to be careful with any large breed when you feed them. Allow them plenty of time to rest after eating. Do NOT exercise them after a big meal. They can get a twisted gut.

154 Sean Bannion at October 27, 2011 10:19 AM HaHa, We used to say "a bitchin sailor is a happy sailor, and we have the happiest ship in the navy".

155 Verum Serum not pulling punches on this anti-American scum sucking jackass:

http://tinyurl.com/3qcxxbb

156

and his "punishment" was that he wasn't allowed to be sarcastic for the rest of his tour.

Jeez. I would only last about 10 minutes. If that.

157 #159 Vic must have been on your ship.

158 158. yes, exactly Robot Devil. All of these breeds have a tendency to get Bloat. very deadly.

159 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 27, 2011 10:17 AM (XE2Oo)

He's not in anymore.  He was near the end of his term when his Nat Guard unit (xfer from Reserves) was sent to Iraq.

Actually, he said his time in the regular Army and then the Reserves was not nearly as bad as dealing with the National Guard.  Apparently his Company CO bragged about being "a small business owner."  Turns out the guy owned some vending machines.  Not exactly an employee-intensive company.

I think (think) they can still recall him for another year (?).  He used his GI Bill to get his Masters in Education Administration (yes, the former Army E-4 is a liberal educator.  sigh.  I'm not sure how my dad and I are the only conservative ones.)

160 160 Verum Serum not pulling punches on this anti-American scum sucking jackass:

http://tinyurl.com/3qcxxbb

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 27, 2011 10:21 AM (jx2j9)

I read it, that douche nozzle should be under arrest for treason.

161 162, Coffe through nose, Thanks for that.

162 Sub-tard - I had a recently divorced buddy speak highly of Bulgaria.

163 Jeez. I would only last about 10 minutes. If that.

When I heard, I asked my mom (who delivered the news), "Are they trying to kill him?"

I'm about half as good at sarcasm and insults as he is.  He might could give EoJ a run for his money.

164

When I was a 2LT my 1SG used to say, "It's good when soldiers complain.  It's when they stop that you have to worry, because that means they've made up their mind about something."

Of course, he also used to say, "Well, there you go again Lieutenant - thinking.  Stop that."

Heh.  I used to take a lack of bitching as a sign to search the barracks for the still.  Or meth lab.  Or to make sure the TVs were all still there.

165 158 When I was first married working full time and going to school full time with hubby in school full time and working part time, living in a one bedroom apt with one car and no cable our dog (who he had bought to protect me) got bloat while he was being boarded at a vet. We paid $2000 (in 1986) for the surgery $50 at a time. I wouldn't do that again in the same situation.

166 It's good when soldiers complain.

The saying in the Navy was "a bitching sailor is a happy sailor" The truth was if they were all quite there some serious shit wrong.

167 Jean,

No, another program.

168 I see old sailor beat me to it.

169 173, Yep, and you owe Polynikes one.

170

The truth was if they were all quite there some serious shit wrong.

Exactly right.

No bitching could conceivably mean a M-67 frag with no pin next to your sleeping bag.

171

So what's up with Chaz Bono? See his picture on Drudge and he don't look happy.

172 I avoid responding to him.

173 The men are just a little tired, Sir.

174 See his picture on Drudge and he don't look happy.

Apparently the Judges on DWtS were "mean" to her or something.  (Y chromosome: she's a her).

175

So what's up with Chaz Bono? See his picture on Drudge and he don't look happy.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at October 27, 2011 10:28 AM (0M3AQ)

"He" was the latest contestant voted off of Dancing With the Stars. 

176

Heh.  I used to take a lack of bitching as a sign to search the barracks for the still.  Or meth lab.

Still was my generation.  Meth lab is your generation.

Though, when I was a tanker my Bn CO used to talk about pulling SDO at the very same desk I sat at....just before he'd cock his .45 and start running down to the barracks to quell the latest race riot.

177

"The men are just a little tired, Sir."

Now a sexist and otherwise insensitive statement.

178

I read it, that douche nozzle should be under arrest for treason.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 27, 2011 10:23 AM (136wp)

He needs his shit handed to him - regularly.

179 "The right of soldiers to bitch, piss, moan, complain and gripe shall not be infringed, provided said sniveling be simultaneously performed while carrying out the orders giving rise to the aforementioned bellyaching, or otherwise deferred until such a time as sufficient quantities of distilled spirits may be procured to ameliorate the incurred 'Red Ass'."

180

Dogs.

We can only hope....that our children will love us as unconditionally as our dogs do.

181 The truth was if they were all quite there some serious shit wrong. Exactly right. No bitching could conceivably mean a M-67 frag with no pin next to your sleeping bag. Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 27, 2011 10:28 AM (sbV1u) Hardly any Sailors or Marines bitch to much when they sit in my chair!

182

He needs his shit handed to him - regularly.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 27, 2011 10:30 AM (jx2j9)

Doesn't the lack of Porta-lets in Zucotti Park mean that's literally happening anyway?

183 Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 27, 2011 10:30 AM (sbV1u)

All that dope shit started getting cleaned out in the mid 70s in the Navy after we left 'Nam. When we went to all volunteer people they got rid of the cat IV bums and the dope heads. Generals and BCDs were flowing like wine.

184

HaHa, We used to say "a bitchin sailor is a happy sailor, and we have the happiest ship in the navy".

THIS^^^

I'm former Navy, then spent years in the National Guard.  Had to settle down a few Company Commanders/Company XO's/1SG's freaking about some soldier who, while a good, ass-busting kid, constantly griped/pissed/moaned/bitched.  I'd use the bitching/happy quote and remind them the ones they had to worry about were the ones that weren't bitching.

Then I'd take said young mouthy PVT/PFC/SPC aside and tell them to stop bitching so much, retain in their memories everything they thought was F'd up, stick around, make rank and fix it when when they were PSG/1SG.  And I'd caution them that while a lot of things seemed F'd up from their vantage point, they'd make perfect sense when they had stripes and rockers.

185

"The men are just a little tired, Sir."

Wasn't Fletcher Christian aboard the HMS Raging Queen?

No wonder they were tired.

186 I spent 12 years in FA. After one too many trips to grafenwohr, all I wanted to do was get back to the farm.

187 Nobody noticed the Drudge story yesterday about SCOAMF giving $80,000 worth of Bill Ayers' Obama's Dreams from my Father book to some embassies. Talk about government kickbacks. Not even any middle men. Remember the Dems screaming about Newt's book? Corruption!! Profiting from your office!! they screamed. Nothing but crickets today.

188 172, shame sounds sane

189 Vic at October 27, 2011 10:32 AM I don't know about that Vic. We were still finding Navy Pen one hitters stashed all over the Carrier in the mid eighties. Although thngs did improve once they got rid of that Asshat Zumwalt.

190

Generals and BCDs were flowing like wine.

Ah....the BCD Special.  I loved those as a Company Commander.  Chapter 14s too.

Good times....good times.

191 (Y chromosome: she's a her).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 27, 2011 10:29 AM (8y9MW)

I tried to explain this to my mother the other day.  She enjoys DWtS, and we got to chatting about Chaz Bono.  "Of course, "he" is still a "she" genetically," I said.

"Really?"

"Yes, mom.  They can pump a person full of as many male hormones as they want, but there're still two X-chromosomes in the person's DNA."

"They can't change that?"

"No, mom.  That would require genetic manipulation of some sort, which is the stuff of zombie movies and apocalyptic fiction.  I don't think anyone wants to see a zombified Chaz Bono."

"Oh."

I love my mom, but sometimes I have to remind her of little things like that.

192 We were still finding Navy Pen one hitters stashed all over the Carrier in the mid eighties.

When I left the ship in 1977 we were peeing in the bottle. I thought that was standard.

193 Verum Serum not pulling punches on this anti-American scum sucking jackass:

http://tinyurl.com/3qcxxbb

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 27, 2011 10:21 AM (jx2j9)

I looked at the picture and thought "There is somebody who savors the taste of cock".

194 Yeah, well all of those shit house doctors believed they could beat the test. Saw a lot of them at Captains mast.

195 196 (Y chromosome: she's a her).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 27, 2011 10:29 AM (8y9MW)

I tried to explain this to my mother the other day.  She enjoys DWtS, and we got to chatting about Chaz Bono.  "Of course, "he" is still a "she" genetically," I said.

"Really?"

"Yes, mom.  They can pump a person full of as many male hormones as they want, but there're still two X-chromosomes in the person's DNA."

"They can't change that?"

"No, mom.  That would require genetic manipulation of some sort, which is the stuff of zombie movies and apocalyptic fiction.  I don't think anyone wants to see a zombified Chaz Bono."

"Oh."

I love my mom, but sometimes I have to remind her of little things like that.

 

You are a good son. Bless you. Telling your Mom about zombies and transexuals is a good thing.

196

You are a good son. Bless you. Telling your Mom about zombies and transexuals is a good thing.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at October 27, 2011 10:39 AM (0M3AQ)

Good daughter, actually.    And my mom is a sweet, 68 year-old former Brit.  Her reactions are priceless.

197 I'm gonna need a military acronym guide to read this thread.  This is like talking to my son....he speaks in letters.

198 I'm about half as good at sarcasm and insults as he is.  He might could give EoJ a run for his money. "Many men have tried." "They've tried and failed?" "They've tried and died."

199

Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 27, 2011 10:43 AM (X6akg)

You know you're a real military lifer when you can create a sentence composed entirely of acronyms with a single linking verb.

200 18 They'll blame it on frakking in the Bakken fields.
__________

I'd just like to point out that "frakkin' in the Bakken" has a nice sound to it.

201

You know you're a real military lifer when you can create a sentence composed entirely of acronyms with a single linking verb.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 27, 2011 10:45 AM (sbV1u)

LOL!

Well, he's not a lifer....he'll be out next May but he still speaks in acronyms.  I've stopped asking what they mean.

202

Good daughter, actually.    And my mom is a sweet, 68 year-old former Brit.  Her reactions are priceless.

She sounds sweet.

My mom (90), on the other hand, when told Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor, responded, "It's about time."

203

My mom (90), on the other hand, when told Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor, responded, "It's about time."

I love your Mom.

204

My mom (90), on the other hand, when told Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor, responded, "It's about time."

Posted by: dagny at October 27, 2011 10:50 AM (rmDVL)

LOL!  That sounds like my parents, too!  You haven't lived until you've heard my mother say, in her British accent, "What's that thing you call Obama?  A stuttering what?  Oh, yes.  He is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.  What a horrible, despicable little man."

She thinks "SCOAMF" is hilarious, btw. 

205 Hmm ... no word on the critically injured Iraq war veteran .... doesn't fit the meme, i suppose.

206 Clinton lost to Obama because the Dem nomination process is worse than ours. Clinton won NY,CA, FL, NJ, OH, PA and TX . How do you not secure the nomination winning the top seven electoral states. She also won Michigan that was not counted.

207 As an Ohio native and a public employee (university professor) it troubles me that Issue 2/SB5 is polling so poorly. My hope is that many of us who support it are keeping quiet. If you read what is actually in the bill, it may seem a bit extreme, but it's largely defensible. Regardless, Ohio has to do something. People are moving out in droves and it's going to take some drastic measures to stop it. As it stands, we in Ohio are paying taxes to educate the future workforce of South Carolina, Arizona, Texas, etc. Why no one around here but me is bothered by this, I don't know (nothing against those states, of course, as I may find myself moving to one of them myself in a few years, but why should citizens of one state subsidize the educations of employees in other states?). The lefties around here seem to think that we can keep and attract people to Ohio by spending even more on education. No thought is given to actually attracting businesses to come here so that people actually have jobs when they graduate. But, I digress.

If Issue 2 goes down, I can't wait to see the gnashing of teeth of Issue 2 opponents when massive layoffs of public employees ensue (some local communities even plan to implement some of the provisions of Issue themselves, even if Issue goes down). Fortunately, I think my job is reasonably secure, for the time being, but if not, I'll be looking at the South and Southwest for jobs, where unions have little or no power.

208 Monty, explain this "Haircut" they speak of, for the private investors?  Say I bought a $100 Greek Government Bond and promised to get $105 upon maturity.  So I'm not going to get the $5 return on investment, but just get $2.50?  OR, is it that I'm only going to get $50 when and if they decide to pay me?

209 Paladin:

If you're still reading....

The "haircut" is a 50% reduction in the bond itself, not the coupon rate. The bonds will never reach maturity, so the coupon doesn't come into play.

If your bond pays $100 at par, you'll only get $50 for it (since it will never actually mature). Or, alternatively -- and more likely -- you'll get a shiny new Greek bond at a $50 par value for your old $100 Greek bond in a straight swap. Good luck selling that bond even at the new par value.

I still think the ECB and EU are smoking crackrock on that whole "voluntary" default thing -- how this doesn't trigger CDS is beyond me.

210

The whole notion of “increasing income inequality” is specious.

Take a ten-inch rubber band. Mark “Poor” on one end, “lower 10%” about an inch from that end, and “top 1%” near the other end. Clamp the “poor” end in a vise — no matter what you do, some people are going to be broke — then stretch the rubber band until it’s 20 inches long.

The “poor” is still poor, the “lower 10%” moved only an inch, and the “top 1%” moved almost 10 inches!!!! What a shock!!!!

211 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

212 Thanks Monty!
I read  intermittenly at work, and I'm often posting on a dead thread.  I will come back from time to time to see if anything has changed.  I appreciate you checking the thread after it's gone dormant.

IF... I had bought those "Safe Guv'ment Bonds" I would be truly pissed.  I'm still in USA Treasuries, only on account of...I have idea where else to go.  Besides coffee cans in the back yard.

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217 Has a Eurozone deal been brokered at last? I sincerely doubt it.

I agree.  There is no possible way that this short-term effort by France and Germany is worth a 339 point rise in the Dow.  It doesn't fix anything.

Even if Greece went along with the whole austerity thing, what about the rest of the PIGS?  They are imploding.  And where is all that IMF money coming from?  Printing presses?

The dollar is down, silver spot is $35.48 (up two dollars in two days) and US funemployment is still running at 400,000 new filers per week.

I call BS on this "miracle."

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