September 22, 2011
— Monty
Another governmental shutdown looming? Republican Representatives rebelled against their leadership and killed a short-term spending measure.
The vote failed, 195-230, after Democrats pulled their support for the bill and Republican leaders were forced to scramble for enough votes entirely within their own ranks. Four dozen conservatives voted against the bill because it left spending levels for 2012 higher than the cap set in the House GOP budget.It sounds to me like the Donks left the dinner party early and the GOP didn't have enough money left to cover the bill.
I don't think Teh Bernank's "Operation Twist" announcement had quite the short-term effect he was hoping for. FT's Alphaville weighs in with this judgement: "Equities investors do. Not. Like." What is there to like? Teh Bernank basically just told savers to go fornicate themselves for an undetermined (but lengthy) period of time.
Spain may be the biggest threat to the Eurozone, not Greece. Though any of the PIIGS could fill that role, really. If any piece of the rickety contraption fails, the whole thing collapses.
Is unemployment really so bad, compared to previous recessions? Probably not so much...if you accept the Labor Bureau's numbers. I don't. The "official" numbers put the unemployment rate at around 9.1%, but since this number excludes those "not looking for work" (left the workforce entirely) and those who are underemployed or can only find short-term work, the real rate is probably closer to 13%, maybe as high as 15%. Our recovery is also terribly slow, which may mean that we face a chronically high unemployment rate -- which is to say that the unemployment rate may no longer be tied to the business cycle, but may in fact be structural.
USPS: "Help us, Obi Wan Kenobi! You're our only hope!"
There is evidence of the hand of Sauron in the Lightsquared imbroglio.
Median household incomes: dismal. Or...maybe not so much.
The plutocracy story forces us to confront another fallacy that is absolutely sacred to journalists: That there is a fixed group of people called “the rich” who are taking advantage of the rest of us.The composition of the rich keeps changing too. Anyone worried about the income disparities in America is worried about people like Michael Oher, the NFL player and star of the book “The Blind Side” who, five years ago, was a college student without much income and is today paid millions to block for the Baltimore Ravens. Should we be worried about the huge disparity in income that has cropped up in only five years between Michael Oher and himself?
Solyndra and the perils of industrial policy. When short term political gain and "optics" drive the policy (not to mention the quasi-religious cult of "green" that pervades this Administration), a lousy outcome is almost guaranteed. This is also what comes of letting academics and community organizers conduct the nation's business policy -- few of them have any actual experience running a private-sector business at a profit. They have no idea how the private-sector economy works. As Raymond Stanz so memorably said to Peter Venkman: "You've never been out of college! You don't know what it's like out there! I've worked in the private sector. They expect results."
Weekly jobless claims fall...a bit. Cynic that I am, I simply await the inevitable revision upwards.
In case you forgot, Rhode Island (member in good standing of the LOTB) is still on a rocket-sled ride to insolvency due to public-sector pension and healthcare costs.
Public-employee unions are ripping off taxpayers in Illinois, but you already knew that. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
UPDATE 1: I'm a space geek, and I firmly believe that letting NASA continue to drive our nation's efforts in space is a guarantee of DOOM, so here's Rand Simberg's "The Fable of the Shoes".
Like people who canÂ’t imagine life without a government post office, or air traffic control (itÂ’s private in Switzerland), or other things with which they have no experience, they canÂ’t conceive of space activities that donÂ’t consist of a few government employees on top of a really big rocket, with lots more government employees at desks in control rooms directing the show.
UPDATE 2: From Ben in the sidebar: Elizabeth Warren wants you to know that no one ever got rich on their own. Her basic error, which all leftists share, is that the rich are somehow taking advantage of everyone else, rather than using the commons as is their right (being taxpayers). Warren sees the capitalist using the commons; she does not see the wages they pay their employees, the taxes they pay, or the quality of life they bring to the community. Warren's viewpoint is made explicit when she says that businesses can "keep a big chunk" of their earnings -- all money belongs to Leviathan, don't you know, and they will graciously allow the business to keep some of their own money.
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Obama is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.
And awaiting the upward revision of the unemployment numbers isn't cynical. It's empirical.
If someone's up for doing some research, it would be interesting to know the last time the unemployment numbers were NOT revised up under the current Administration.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at September 22, 2011 05:08 AM (wnbjH)
What, did Obama already move out of the White House?
And I disbelieve today's DOOM! Kitteh. No kitteh is ever that industrious.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 05:08 AM (8y9MW)
"Umm... The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are always easily identifiable by their black hats, no one ever dies, and we always save the day."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 05:12 AM (8y9MW)
Its almost like they were praying for the Repubs to not pass it. Imagine that.
Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2011 05:13 AM (M9Ie6)
Actually I have seen some sites saying it is over 20% in the depression era range.
Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2011 05:14 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: gp at September 22, 2011 05:16 AM (B9rV2)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:16 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2011 05:17 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2011 09:14 AM (M9Ie6)
Trust no government issued parameter as the books have been well cooked before you ever get to see them!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 22, 2011 05:17 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:18 AM (UlUS4)
Let 'em. I'm firmly in the camp that says most of the Nation will actually be happy with a government "shut down." Especially when they realize how little of the government actually shuts down.
What'll drive me crazy is when the numbers come in (showing how popular the shut down is, how much money its saved, or both), and the Media will suddenly reverse it's tune and sing the praises of the noble, valiant Democrats who stopped the Republican Juggernaut.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 05:18 AM (8y9MW)
every once in a while i tune into Jim Cramer to see how he's spinning reality. Even Kudlow is losing his wide eyed optimism.
And how much longer do we and the media keep saying, "we might be entering another recession or downturn". I've been under the impression that we are going through one now.
Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2011 05:19 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 05:20 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:23 AM (UlUS4)
As a former Californioid, I have to give my ex-state props for giving Illinois a run for its non-money.
CA (especially Northern CA) could easily spawn another stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure. The only difference is that he/she would most likely have a Spanish/Mexican surname and would probably be LBGT.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 22, 2011 05:23 AM (YjjrR)
Good link.
It is true that those of us that habitually play "by the rules" (not the rules as re-written by blood-sucking lawyers for personal gain), cannot imagine the depravity of the criminal class. We are at a real disadvantage since the MFM is compliant in hiding those facts from us.
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 22, 2011 05:23 AM (i3+c5)
(Bloomberg) More Americans than forecast filed first-time claims for unemployment insurance payments last week as the labor market struggled to improve.
Applications for jobless benefits decreased 9,000 in the week ended Sept. 17 to 423,000, Labor Department figures showed today. Economists forecast 420,000 claims, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey. The average number of claims in the past month rose for a fifth straight week, to the highest level since July 16.
At least it wasn't unexpected. You know what will turn things around? More taxes. Yes, by golly. A few more trillion in new taxes will get this whole economy turned around.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 22, 2011 05:24 AM (1Jaio)
"My g-d, what have I done???!!!"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 09:23 AM (UlUS4)
Or not.
Posted by: Penile Epiphany at September 22, 2011 05:24 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 05:25 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: EC at September 22, 2011 05:25 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:25 AM (UlUS4)
Saw a handful of protesters last night on our way to dinner. Not one sign in support of the MacPhail family.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 22, 2011 05:26 AM (UOM48)
Bear this in mind the next time somebody (like that fuckwit Boehner) claims that caps and procedural changes are actual accomplishments.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 22, 2011 05:26 AM (FkKjr)
Did I miss the coup?
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 22, 2011 05:28 AM (OhYCU)
In (most parts of) America, I'm allowed to own my own gun. Several of them, in fact.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 05:29 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: George Soros at September 22, 2011 05:29 AM (rJVPU)
We must make Solyndra a central theme to the 2012 election.
Solyndra a festering boil of democrat corruption. Once again - the American Tax Payer is on the hook thanks to the democrats abuse of power.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 22, 2011 05:31 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:31 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:31 AM (UlUS4)
I think so!
http://nyp.st/qEklsg
Oh, and a Pro Tip for EC at September 22, 2011 09:25 AM: Massatwoshits loves it some Elizabeth Warren. It's the land of Bahney Fwank, John F'ing Kerry, Deval Patrick and any number of worthless Kennedys, you know.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 22, 2011 05:31 AM (YjjrR)
I didn't read the Suskind book about Obama, but I caught a few interviews and one of the things I noticed was that Suskind said when Obama was elected that he floated the Sweidish Model as a way to remake our economy.
Dear lord, this is what happens when you elect a useless academic.
Thank god it was shot down by his economic team
Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2011 05:32 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Retread at September 22, 2011 05:32 AM (BO5ap)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:32 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 05:33 AM (ZDUD4)
"Families are ready for change. According to polls, large majorities of Americans have welcomed the Obama Administration's proposal for a new Consumer Financial Protection Agency (CFPA)." AMERICA WITHOUT A MIDDLE CLASS Posted: December 3, 2009 By Elizabeth Warren, Chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel created to oversee the banking bailouts
Concerning CFPA and the establishment's noose around the middle class neck, distinguish each candidate's platform agenda.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 22, 2011 05:33 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:35 AM (UlUS4)
The U.S. started going socialist in the early 1900s when the progressives first started their shit. It accelerated in the 30s.
We are going communist now.
Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2011 05:35 AM (M9Ie6)
They're falling, too. The SCOAMF's economy has created too many of them.
Posted by: Retread at September 22, 2011 05:35 AM (BO5ap)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:36 AM (UlUS4)
What's the trend with Hobo pelts?
Buy.
Word on the street is that it's the next big thing in prêt-à -porter
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 22, 2011 05:37 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 22, 2011 09:31 AM (YjjrR)
Plus Scotty Centerfold votes like a commie dickhole over half the time.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 22, 2011 05:37 AM (7dMdC)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 05:38 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:38 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:39 AM (UlUS4)
Indeed, I was making the case the minute I noted Vanta Claus Jones was involved. Add in LightSquared as well. The public will not be in love with Bambi wanting to "control the rich" while also creating more of them from his backers.
This'll stick
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:40 AM (AEIYh)
Not sure about Brooks, but certainly Noonan is old enough to have been an employed taxpayer under Jimmy Carter. How many times does a pundit have to go through Keynesian purgatory before they understand that it is the policies, not the personalities, that matter?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 22, 2011 05:40 AM (ItDg4)
Dangerous TB spreading at ‘scary’ rate in Europe
Look for sanatoriums to become popular again.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 22, 2011 05:41 AM (9hSKh)
which is why I am going to run if it comes down to it and people like my sister in law empower the Ogabe types to go even faster.
Canada may be socialist beyond my liking but they are not commie.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:41 AM (AEIYh)
Well, this certainly adds to the fashionable warmth and charm of global DOOMiness. Lloyds of London thinks European debt may not be worth the paper itÂ’s printed and printed and printed and printed on.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 22, 2011 05:41 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 22, 2011 05:42 AM (i6RpT)
In "Radical in Chief", Kurtz ties Obama directly to a Professor at Northwestern, McKnight (? don't have the book handy to confirm name) who helped shape Obama's views. He is an advocate for Swedish socialism to the point that, when "over" taxing a populace starts producing negative returns, he's all for manditory volunteerism, meaning, forced labor for the public good.
Posted by: Derak at September 22, 2011 05:43 AM (8tAhu)
From WaPo:
Drones can clearly track down terrorists. But they can apparently boost an economy, too.
The U.S. militaryÂ’s deployment of MQ-9 Reaper drones to the Seychelles, a tropical paradise in the Indian Ocean, generated $3.1 million in revenue for local businesses during their first four months of operations, according to an unclassified U.S. diplomatic cable buried in the database of State Department cables obtained by WikiLeaks.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 22, 2011 05:43 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:43 AM (UlUS4)
Dangerous TB spreading at ‘scary’ rate in Europe
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 22, 2011 09:41 AM (9hSKh)
Lemme guess.
Mostly by and in immigrant neighborhoods, right?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 22, 2011 05:44 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Retread at September 22, 2011 05:44 AM (BO5ap)
Posted by: beerologist at September 22, 2011 05:44 AM (acA7t)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 22, 2011 09:42 AM (i6RpT)
Heh. You were holding a drill in your hand, weren't you?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 22, 2011 05:44 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 09:40 AM
You oughtta be right, dude. In fact, I'm really hoping you're right.
But I'm afraid you're wrong. Nothing has ever "stuck" to the stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure. Short of him actually committing murder on live TV, I think it's too late to be expecting any felony to mar his brilliant record as far as the media and 52%ers are concerned.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 22, 2011 05:44 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at September 22, 2011 05:45 AM (cAkLM)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 05:45 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 05:45 AM (ZDUD4)
Nah the argument makes itself and pass it around by word of mouth.
We need to stop adding to the mythology that if the newsies don't report on it it didn't happen.....
Samizdat brought down the Original Communists it'll bring down the new ones.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:46 AM (AEIYh)
As would any part of the American Economy. The Defense Budget CREATES jobs. Someone should tell obamaPosted by: nevergiveup at September 22, 2011 05:46 AM (i6RpT)
indeed Mr. Jones and the fact that gold is falling at the same time means the 'evil rich" are hiding their money
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:47 AM (AEIYh)
Now that elicited a hearty chuckle from me.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 22, 2011 05:47 AM (9hSKh)
Short of him actually committing murder on live TV, I think it's too late to be expecting any felony to mar his brilliant record as far as the media and 52%ers are concerned.
Let me me clear, I reject the false choice between first and second degree murder!
Posted by: Barky Zero at September 22, 2011 05:47 AM (sbV1u)
Remember he is going to stand on a bridge his ally moved down the list to sermonize about "fair shares" while Cramer is dying on air....
he is DONE Barry is a fired SCoaMF walking.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:48 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 05:48 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:49 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:50 AM (UlUS4)
He's speaking from the Brent Spence bridge.
One problem -- the bridge doesn't even qualify for the funds from said plan.
Posted by: lu at September 22, 2011 05:50 AM (pLTLS)
*swoon*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 22, 2011 05:50 AM (UOM48)
The 52%ers are done to about 40%. Things are building up over time.
The media on the other hand will stay with him until the end.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 22, 2011 05:50 AM (FkKjr)
I think it's time that we find some way to substitute the concept of "we're past raising taxes and into class warfare/ property confiscation" every time the left involks the phrase "fair share". We need to convey the concept that they're substituting an argument of "fair share" for rationalization of their overspending in the first place.
The concepts are simple but too wordy to be conveyed in only 2 words so that the jackass liberals can wrap their minds around it like they do "fair share". Let's face it: every time the lower classes hear the words "fair share" it involks the greed the left's class warfare verbage has been stoking for decades. And from that point on it's a visceral reaction with no rationalization for most of the voters that buy into it.
We can't force people to think or even to buy into our line of reasoning. But we need to at least control the conversation so that every underachieving looser doesn't react like Pavlov's dog and envision a future paid by other people's wealth every time the left involks the phrase "fair share". And that *IS* what's happening in the media right now in this discussion.
Posted by: MrObvious at September 22, 2011 05:51 AM (2uovW)
he is DONE Barry is a fired SCoaMF walking.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 09:48 AM (AEIYh)
Nothing short of a crushing 49-state, Mondale style landslide will convince his followers that he's out of his depth.
And even then, a rejection on that scale probably won't penetrate the mush that fills their skulls.
But on the up side, he will get the message loud and clear, even if he never admits it.
Nothing, nothing, will ever taste as sweet as Tears of JEF.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 22, 2011 05:51 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 05:51 AM (ZDUD4)
Not sure about Brooks, but certainly Noonan is old enough to have been an employed taxpayer under Jimmy Carter. How many times does a pundit have to go through Keynesian purgatory before they understand that it is the policies, not the personalities, that matter?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 22, 2011 09:40 AM (ItDg4)
Jeff B should be in shortly to scold you for badmouthing his cuddle partner, Nooner, who has the most intelligent grasp on what the dumbfucks in the country are thinking. You can pre-emptively denounce yourself if you wish.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 22, 2011 05:52 AM (7dMdC)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Team MacPhail Family at September 22, 2011 05:52 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 22, 2011 05:52 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:53 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 22, 2011 09:23 AM (YjjrR)
I see Lettuce, Bacon and Tomato, but what's the "G" stand for?
________
Guacamole, of course. It *is* California.
Posted by: Anachronda at September 22, 2011 05:53 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 09:43 AM (UlUS4)
He's campaigning on Bush's "Miss Me Yet?" sentiment. Even Jeb knows better than that for '12.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 22, 2011 05:54 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 05:55 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 22, 2011 09:52 AM (i6RpT)
There might be a schism in their ranks over this between the dogmatic fuckheads and the people that have a few functioning synapses left. Self preservation would dictate that these cocksuckers jettison El JEFe but some of them are barely able to read a fucking script. I'm thinking there's no way that MSNBC doesn't go down with the ship.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 22, 2011 05:56 AM (7dMdC)
Fewer people applied for unemployment benefits
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The number of people applying for unemployment benefits fell last week, though the decline isn't enough to signal improvement in the job market.
Weekly applications dropped by 9,000 to a seasonally adjusted 423,000, the Labor Department said Thursday.
Not only that comrades, but your chocolate ration increased as well
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 22, 2011 05:57 AM (1Jaio)
The one encouraging thing to keep in mind is that we intentionally do actively stupid things, and that our active stupidity springs from centralization. We make things even worse with stupid remedies to the problems caused by our active stupidity.
There is much to be said for the effeciency of centralized stupidity. Thats why Zero speaks every day.
Posted by: Penile Epiphany at September 22, 2011 05:57 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: lu at September 22, 2011 05:57 AM (pLTLS)
FIFY
Posted by: maverick muse at September 22, 2011 05:57 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 22, 2011 05:57 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 05:58 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 05:59 AM (ZDUD4)
I can dream, can't I?
Posted by: Retread at September 22, 2011 05:59 AM (BO5ap)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 22, 2011 09:52 AM (i6RpT)
I disagree. I think they're fanatic lefties. Obama is more than just a politician to them - he is the One. If he loses they will throw tantrums about how the nation is ungovernable and take their rage out on the next president.
Ratings and money are secondary to the ultimate dream of trying to change human thought. It's why Hollywood makes shitty anti-war films even though they tank at the box office.
I would not be surprised if in two years the average broadcast from network news or CNN and MSNBC will be a newscaster screaming near-incoherently at an America he hates.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 22, 2011 06:00 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 06:02 AM (ZDUD4)
I can dream, can't I?
Thanks, that's much better.
Posted by: beerologist at September 22, 2011 06:02 AM (acA7t)
Some sammich that is.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 09:36 AM (UlUS4)
Make me a sammich, bitch!
Posted by: Chaz Bono at September 22, 2011 06:04 AM (IzuWw)
Dude, are you watching TV now? It's Howard Dean level screeching 24/7.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 22, 2011 06:05 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at September 22, 2011 06:05 AM (j84s0)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 06:06 AM (ZDUD4)
Good news for the DNC chair – she’s a dem. Otherwise this news would probably spell her DOOM.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 22, 2011 06:06 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 22, 2011 06:07 AM (WUWb9)
I thought it would make more sense if I saw "Stocks rise at open on recession hopes."
Posted by: Chuckit at September 22, 2011 06:07 AM (Hc9Yd)
In this, Rick Perry aligns with the Bush agenda. And of course, Mitt stands to preserve the status quo of corruption stamped with his face for four years.
That Mitt would act and speak as though the Republicans have never tried to garner public support to reform the social security program for the younger adult generation is just so Romney. That applies to Flake and Issa, as well. So much for endorsements. Words, just words. "Promise anything, just get their vote."
Posted by: maverick muse at September 22, 2011 06:08 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 06:08 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2011 06:09 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 06:10 AM (UlUS4)
Even zombie W.C. Fields thinks Obama is a SCOAMF.
What? Not W. C. Fields? Clinton? Are you sure?
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 22, 2011 06:10 AM (jx2j9)
And if you think he is gonna be bitter, that will be nothing compared to how pissy and bitter Michelle Our Belle is gonna be.
You say this as if they are bad things.
I for one welcome the hectoring of our current Affirmative Action overlords. Every time either of them open their yaps, an increasing portion of Americans just roll their eyes. They've had it up to here with them. So the more they talk...the better it gets.
For us.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 22, 2011 06:11 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 06:11 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 22, 2011 06:12 AM (eOXTH)
pushing on a string is fun
Except I don't think it's being pushed, it's being pulled by the SCOAMF dead weight on the other end.
Posted by: Piñon Farmer at September 22, 2011 06:12 AM (IzuWw)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 06:12 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: maverick muse at September 22, 2011 10:08 AM (lpWVn)
Mitt lost me four years ago by pandering on every fucking thing and he's obviously learned nothing in the interim. If you treat voters like idiots, most of them will act that way; it's about time to expect people to act like adults and if they can't adhere to that standard, which maybe they can't, we're fucked anyway.
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 22, 2011 06:13 AM (7dMdC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 22, 2011 10:12 AM (eOXTH)
I'm pretty sure he meant the Obama is a SCOAMF. You know how "confused" Clinton can be with the meaning of words.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 22, 2011 06:14 AM (jx2j9)
Ah, back to the original context regarding the next likely politician from CA being LBGT /"Latin" catch-all/. Speaking of the Bono family, is Sonny's second wife still an elected politician in his former seat from CA, or retired?
Posted by: maverick muse at September 22, 2011 06:14 AM (lpWVn)
Too late, watch the Ed show
Indeed.
Posted by: Teal'c at September 22, 2011 06:16 AM (PLvLS)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 22, 2011 06:17 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Piñon Farmer at September 22, 2011 06:18 AM (IzuWw)
I believe she misspoke: "This is no one in this country who got stupid on their own."
Feckless teachers in thrall to corrupted unions, an entertainment industry racing to find the lowest of lowest common denominators for their product, and old school media from which any divergence of opinions was purged long ago all played major roles. Toss in her own willingness to embrace stupid and there you have it.
Posted by: No Whining at September 22, 2011 06:20 AM (Wqfrr)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 06:20 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 06:21 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Piñon Farmer at September 22, 2011 06:22 AM (IzuWw)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 10:21 AM (8y9MW)
The masterful thoughtfulness that permeates your words is captivating and elucidating.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 22, 2011 06:24 AM (jx2j9)
There now, try to get that image off your eyeballs.
Posted by: Retread at September 22, 2011 06:25 AM (BO5ap)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 22, 2011 06:25 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 22, 2011 06:27 AM (7dMdC)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 22, 2011 06:28 AM (z/Mo8)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 22, 2011 06:28 AM (AZGON)
And if you think he is gonna be bitter, that will be nothing compared to how pissy and bitter Michelle Our Belle is gonna be.
And I will drink the bile as if it was the sweetest nectar.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 22, 2011 06:28 AM (136wp)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 06:28 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 06:29 AM (UlUS4)
Think of Kal, think of Kal. think of Kal....
Posted by: Barack "Malcom-Y" Obama at September 22, 2011 06:30 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 22, 2011 06:31 AM (ycuSb)
Posted by: Jean at September 22, 2011 06:32 AM (3FXA5)
"Now therefore thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel... Behold, I will gather them out of all the countries, whither I have driven them, in mine anger... and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely: and they shall be my people and I will be their God..."
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 22, 2011 06:32 AM (136wp)
Posted by: George Orwell at September 22, 2011 06:33 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 06:33 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 06:34 AM (UlUS4)
And taxes are "mandatory contributions"? Or are they "justified repatriation of purloined monies"?
Posted by: No Whining at September 22, 2011 06:34 AM (Wqfrr)
Okay, given that such is true... Job Growth doesn't "come" from immigration (at least, not more than some minor amount). Job Growth comes from businesses making hiring decisions because they need more people (we say this every day here at the HQ). So- doesn't that just mean that 81% of the new jobs in Texas went to immigrants? And given that most of our population growth is due to immigration (remember- that stat includes people from other states immigrating to Texas), doesn't that just kind of go hand-in-hand?
So, really, isn't that just saying, "Hey, people who moved to Texas found jobs."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 06:34 AM (8y9MW)
SCOAMF gives zombie W.C. Fields title of do-gooder in chief. What? Clinton? You sure?
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 22, 2011 06:34 AM (jx2j9)
Even under favorable conditions I can't see this happening before mid 2013. I predict more pain at least until then.
Bernanke felt constrained about QE3 after the letter from the Republican Senators plus Perry's 'almost treasonous' crack. Also even the BS inflation number (the one without food and gas in it) has crept up to the 3.5% range, his stated inflation goal. So he cannot ease anymore. For now.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 22, 2011 06:34 AM (ENKCw)
I'll make a prediction, around Halloween 2012 - Obama does NOT get a treat.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 22, 2011 06:36 AM (136wp)
Homeowners Chuck and Stephanie Fromm, of San Juan Capistrano, were fined $300 earlier this month for holding what city officials called “a regular gathering of more than three people”.
Posted by: Piñon Farmer at September 22, 2011 06:38 AM (IzuWw)
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 22, 2011 09:23 AM (YjjrR) I see Lettuce, Bacon and Tomato, but what's the "G" stand for?
"Gubmint sauce". Don't ask.
Posted by: No Whining at September 22, 2011 06:40 AM (Wqfrr)
Seeing the Dow makes me glad not to be involved in the stock market anymore. IMHO, the risk of losing it ALL versus whatever profit short term, isn't worth it. Our income stream has taken a big hit, but we're still okay, even though we now need to practice frugality----again.
If the election goes as projected, how long do y'all think it will take to get out of this shitpile? Not rosy projection, but realistically, I mean?
Posted by: irongrampa at September 22, 2011 06:41 AM (SAMxH)
"My g-d, what have I done???!!!"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 09:23 AM (UlUS4)
Or not.
Posted by: Penile Epiphany at September 22, 2011 09:24 AM (OlN4e)
That's more likely than an Alec Baldwin epiphany when he says, "My God, what an unspeakable douche I am."
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 22, 2011 06:43 AM (Hx5uv)
2016
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 22, 2011 06:43 AM (136wp)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 22, 2011 06:44 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 22, 2011 06:47 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 06:48 AM (UlUS4)
If the election goes as projected, how long do y'all think it will take to get out of this shitpile? Not rosy projection, but realistically, I mean?
2016
I'm not counting on anything before 2020.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 06:48 AM (8y9MW)
So then how could you NOT justify their voting once MORE for this piece of Marxist trash? If the blindness was that wilful once, why not twice?
Posted by: irongrampa at September 22, 2011 06:48 AM (SAMxH)
Best case scenario, supposing we get a president who manages to undo the Regulation Orgy of the Obama years within a few months of gaining office, we could begin seeing some signs of recovery by 2014, at which point, the economy will be sitting on 6 years of suppressed consumer demand, which should spring back strongly.
More likely, we will be muddling through this for the rest of the decade.
Worst case scenario, Barky is re-elected. DOOM to the nth!
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 22, 2011 06:49 AM (PLvLS)
The masterful thoughtfulness that permeates your words is captivating and elucidating.
Shouldn't that be Hussein the Plumber ebook?
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 22, 2011 06:50 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 22, 2011 06:50 AM (AZGON)
Yes,
I have a Liberal friend, who, during the nomination process was pro-Clinton, and thought Slappy was a con-artist.. Yet, in the general, turned around and voted for the SCoaMF anyway.
Now, whenever I try to pin him down on it, his excuse it, "They're ALL con-artists."
Posted by: franksalterego at September 22, 2011 06:50 AM (7/sDI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 06:50 AM (UlUS4)
Clearly written so long ago it means nothing.
First: State Law (and possibly city ordnance), not Federal Law. We've had that part of this argument before. Second, this had nothing to do with the fact it was a religious gathering- it had do with the fact that neighbors complained regularly.
If you had a Monday Night Football gathering that brought in more than 50 people to your house, you would be fined, too.
There are plenty of things to be upset at California over. This isn't one of them.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 06:51 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 06:52 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Joffen at September 22, 2011 06:52 AM (EPcuy)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 22, 2011 06:53 AM (AZGON)
Note to purists: I do not care how big the horn is on Scott Brown's face, we do not want THAT OTHER THING in the U.S. Senate.
The stupid coming out of that Elizabeth Warren item in the sidebar would make even the moldering remains of ole Chappy himself blush.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 22, 2011 06:53 AM (B+qrE)
Considering it's hard to get enough Republicans in Rhode Island to man up a "barber shop quartet," it's going to be pretty hard to pin this on Bush.
Posted by: Grim Reaper at September 22, 2011 06:53 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 10:48 AM (8y9MW)
2016 would be the time to start re-investing. Buy gold, raw farmland, solid stocks.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 22, 2011 06:54 AM (136wp)
Watch us.
Posted by: The MFM at September 22, 2011 06:54 AM (8y9MW)
Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: shillelagh at September 22, 2011 06:55 AM (hRzu2)
Potentially, certainly. I'm virtually certain we won't see actual evidence of recovery until 2020- but there might be enough "ground work" being done to justify reinvetment by '16. As far as reinvesting early, '16 or '18 make a lot of sense.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 06:56 AM (8y9MW)
If it's anything like MA, just enough GOPers get elected by the "Victory uber alles!" branch of the party to make sure independents keep saying, "Both parties do it."
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 22, 2011 06:56 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 06:56 AM (UlUS4)
Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
I never forget that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure. But if I said it every time I thought it, we'd have a 200 comment thread of just me typing "Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure."
And, while that would be justified, it would be boring.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 06:57 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 22, 2011 06:57 AM (AZGON)
I think I read it at thisainthell... the estimates on the job losses range from a hard floor of 300,000 - 1 million jobs lost over the next 10.
Nice work hippies.
SCOAMF MFER
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 06:58 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 06:58 AM (cbyrC)
Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
I never forget that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure. But if I said it every time I thought it, we'd have a 200 comment thread of just me typing "Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure."
And, while that would be justified, it would be boring.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 10:57 AM (8y9MW)
it'd be screen-shot worthy, though.
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 06:59 AM (x3YFz)
My kids attend a great school that unfortunately has absolutely no schoolyard. It is a parking lot - a slab of asphalt with no playground or other redeemable value. The parent council is trying to raise grant money from private sources to renovate the schoolyard into an educational and fun place for the kids.
Our school, St. Mark in Etobicoke, ON, is a finalist for a $20000 Majesta grant for an outdoor classroom. This would completely cover one piece of our dream for the schoolyard. The catch is that the final award is determined by voting. These are elementary school kids in poor neighborhoods who don't have access to social media, so we're trying to round up as many votes as we can.
If Canadian based morons (that aren't already voting for another school) could help us out, we'd be so grateful. I'd ask US morons to help as well, but it doesn't seem to allow voting from US IP addresses.
Voting occurs every day until November 4th at majestatreesofknowledge.ca. Please vote for St. Mark early and often!
Posted by: grognard at September 22, 2011 06:59 AM (NS2Mo)
Well, here in Arlington, TX (not exactly a liberal hotbed), it's because the bums clogging up down-town (okay- our issues are different, but still) are harder to track down, and couldn't pay if you did fine them. The home owners are easy to track down and can pay.
Oh? You expected there to be some principle other than money behind selective enforcement?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 06:59 AM (8y9MW)
Agree. Plus, half of the population possesses an IQ < 100. Some of them are pundits. Others lead the three branches of government. I submit we have an overexpression of individuals educated well beyond their IQs in those institutions. Maybe those of us in the hinterlands have good reason to ignore them and their insights and more should start.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 22, 2011 06:59 AM (r4t7/)
From Washington Post, (couldn't add link for some reason)
"New cracks have begun to show in President Obama’s support amongst African Americans, who have been his strongest supporters. Five months ago, 83 percent of African Americans held “strongly favorable” views of Obama, but in a new poll that number has dropped to 58 percent. That drop is similar to slipping support for Obama among all groups."
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 22, 2011 07:00 AM (136wp)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 22, 2011 07:00 AM (eOXTH)
AllenG, I can see solid progress by 2016 ( assuming concerted, continuing effort), and a good platform for re-election for whichever Republican is in office. I agree 2020 or beyond is a realistic view.
If Obama is re-elected, then we're going full Galt not to be seen or heard for the forseeable future. I'll miss the blog and the posters, but.......
Posted by: irongrampa at September 22, 2011 07:00 AM (SAMxH)
So who's got a good IP Masker that will provide a Canadian IP?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 07:01 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: MrObvious at September 22, 2011 07:01 AM (2uovW)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 22, 2011 07:02 AM (AZGON)
I'm from Rexdale, living down in the US now. I'll see if I can vote from down using my 3733t intarwebz h4x0r skillz.
Posted by: EC at September 22, 2011 07:02 AM (GQ8sn)
Schaden. Boner.
Yes, we know he'll get 98% (or whatever) of the Black vote anyway. If the Black vote itself has dropped by 25% though, that's a victory for us.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 07:03 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 22, 2011 07:03 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:04 AM (UlUS4)
This truly is "not the hill to die on".
Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2011 07:05 AM (M9Ie6)
If we're to believe some of the black leaders, it's because Obama hasn't been doing much to help black people in particular. Never mind the fact that the Prezodent has a responsibility to all citizens of the US.
Nope, no fucking racism there.
Posted by: EC at September 22, 2011 07:05 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 22, 2011 07:05 AM (AZGON)
Here's one who has drunk the kool aid. Little Opie Taylor harkens back to the good old days when the rich were taxed a marginal rate of 90%.
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 22, 2011 07:06 AM (Hx5uv)
Schaden. Boner.
Yes, we know he'll get 98% (or whatever) of the Black vote anyway. If the Black vote itself has dropped by 25% though, that's a victory for us.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 11:03 AM (8y9MW)
That's probably closer to the truth. Demographically, blacks will vote for the nearest black person (see: William "cold cash" Jefferson, reelected despite being indicted for everything under the sun), regardless if it makes their lives better or not.
If they don't show up to vote, that's the best we can hope for. As a race, they vote stupid 95% of the time.
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:06 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:07 AM (UlUS4)
But robots are less romantic. I will give you that.
Posted by: navybrat at September 22, 2011 07:07 AM (5s4vr)
Posted by: maverick muse at September 22, 2011 07:08 AM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Zombie Jerry Garcia at September 22, 2011 07:08 AM (x3YFz)
Also, it's really hard to start a colony just with robots. If nothing else, you need people there to, well, colonize.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 07:08 AM (8y9MW)
Question for the morons and Monty:
Lately, everyone is saying that 47% or 50% of the country pays no income tax. Technically, that is correct. But is it REALLY correct?
I mean, everyone who works pays about 12.4% in payroll taxes for Social Security. But since that money goes straight into the general fund, isn't it really an income tax? I mean, I know it is called the Federal Insurace Contributions Act tax, but in reality, it's just an income tax, right?
Posted by: ed at September 22, 2011 07:08 AM (Y2WVW)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:09 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 22, 2011 10:13 AM (7dMdC)
Disillusionment is disheartening. Tough toenails. If candidates play on ignorance and bigotry, don't endorse with a vote.
It isn't as if any political party has existed as long in America as the Constitution has.
Parties come and go with the times and needs of voters. And loyalty to
either major political party today does not equate to loyalty to the
Constitution.
RNC take note that the tea party movement voters appreciate advice that George Washington gave the nation.
Don't trust a political party to perpetuate Constitutional Governance
when by its nature, the party will abuse authority in self perpetuation
at the demise of the Constitution.
Aside from representing the "last hope of the world", the US Constitution is centrist. On the right are elitist authoritarians enforcing feudalism aligned with monarchism protecting their own vested interest versions of establishment status quo, and on the left are authoritarians aligned in socialism's varied versions of establishment status quo usurping from others.
As Vic noted, America became socialist since the fiend W.Wilson a century ago.
It isn't simply the way that our federal government has unconstitutionally revised itself to function as omnipotent, as if omniscient as well. It's the value system inherent in the generations born after WWII that assume their version of socialism as "centrist" and the Constitution as something too inconvenient and outmoded to matter, no longer relevant, certainly no point of infraction being "a hill worth dying on." Alinsky acolytes don't exercise logic, so don't fall for their bigotry. Americans who still honor the Constitution seem radical to those whose sole purpose is being popular within a socialist establishment.
America's "Traditional Values" protect the US Constitution. If the candidates know more about economic viability than others, all the better for America. If they appreciate history and diplomatic understanding in different cultures, the better chance America prospers. If they value America's sovereign liberty, border security and strong national defense, great. If they are prepared to purge corruption, bravo.If you expect to hear a real debate tonight, don't hold your breath for the menu recycling regurgitated propaganda sound bites. DOOM: Lie to me.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 22, 2011 07:09 AM (lpWVn)
That's so dramatic that I do not believe it. I wonder what proportion think he isn't Progressive enough for their wallets? Congressional Black Caucus, I'm looking at you.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 22, 2011 07:10 AM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 07:10 AM (ZDUD4)
Question for the morons and Monty:
Lately, everyone is saying that 47% or 50% of the country pays no income tax. Technically, that is correct. But is it REALLY correct?
I mean, everyone who works pays about 12.4% in payroll taxes for Social Security. But since that money goes straight into the general fund, isn't it really an income tax? I mean, I know it is called the Federal Insurace Contributions Act tax, but in reality, it's just an income tax, right?
Posted by: ed at September 22, 2011 11:08 AM (Y2WVW)
they get back in refunds and EIC more than they pay in. The ONLY tax 45% of the nation pays are sales/property taxes (when they own homes they can't afford).
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:10 AM (x3YFz)
True, dat.
However robots can find the places suitable for colonization. So far the list is pretty darned short.
Posted by: navybrat at September 22, 2011 07:11 AM (5s4vr)
Zombie W.C. Fields compliments Rick Perry. Who? Bill Clinton? The hell you say.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 22, 2011 07:11 AM (jx2j9)
It's a complex issue. Since what the Libs are talking about is raising the Marginal income tax rate, not the FICA tax rate, it is both technically correct, and correct in context.
If, for some reason, we were talking about "Total Tax Burden" and someone claimed there were any people (except maybe the homeless) who pay 0 taxes, it would be incorrect.
Mostly, we say "47% (or whatever) don't pay income tax" because what everyone is talking about is the marginal tax rate. The very fact that Democrats have resorted to pointing out (as they have in several columns) that "the poor pay taxes on their income, too" just shows that the issue isn't about taxation so there's enough money, but taxation as a form of "Social Justice."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 07:12 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:12 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Joffen at September 22, 2011 07:13 AM (EPcuy)
If you expect to hear a real debate tonight, don't hold your breath for the menu recycling regurgitated propaganda sound bites. DOOM: Lie to me.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 22, 2011 11:09 AM (lpWVn)
I was going to watch the debate, but I have the option of beating myself over the head with a frying pan in that timeslot. I'll take option #2
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:13 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 07:13 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 22, 2011 07:14 AM (AZGON)
That's so dramatic that I do not believe it. I wonder what proportion think he isn't Progressive enough for their wallets? Congressional Black Caucus, I'm looking at you.
I can, it was a "Strongly Favorable" rating. The most likely changed to "Favorable"
Posted by: Habib the Terrorist at September 22, 2011 07:14 AM (136wp)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 07:14 AM (8y9MW)
Silver
ouch -- down 8+%
Posted by: soothsayer at September 22, 2011 11:14 AM (sqkOB)
yeah, but when the zombies come and I need to buy more ammo...
Didn't buy it to sell it 
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:15 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 07:15 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:15 AM (UlUS4)
The modern democrat party are just an army of corrupt Fidel Castros. they promise economic equality - but it will cost you your freedom. For the common good.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 22, 2011 07:16 AM (0fzsA)
SRLY.
The landscape from Fallout 3 reminds me of pics of Detroit that was posted on the sidebar not too long ago.
Posted by: Japanese at September 22, 2011 07:16 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:17 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 07:17 AM (ZDUD4)
Which goes to the issue of why should a billionaire pay more than a regular working stiff? Aren't we, in the eyes of the law THIS---> (in theory) all equal as citizens? If everyone paid exactly the same, then that would be fair. 10% of your income. No ifs, ands, buts or deductions. Everyone has the so-called "skin in the game." Never happen as it would effectively neutralize the statists and leftists.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 11:15 AM (UlUS4)
In theory, Keynesian economics works, too.
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:18 AM (x3YFz)
Everyone WHO WORKS.
And government employees.
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 22, 2011 07:18 AM (Hx5uv)
What do you think would happen in a nation where the stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure's regime kowtows to Muzzies with constant, unquestioning enabling from the media and the town (NYC) itself is run by a nanny asshole who will believe in "inclusion" right up to the moment when some terrorist comes after him with a knife?
P.S. it doesn't help that the Jews -- full disclosure: I am one -- in NYC and elsewhere in America are hell-bent on suicidally supporting "tolerance" and "diversity," even when the recipients of their support want to wipe them off the world map.
Ooooh, look...shiny!
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 22, 2011 07:18 AM (YjjrR)
Well, yes, that's absolutely true (I'm a Flat Tax guy myself). The big deal to me, though, about the progressive income tax system is that it punishes success- making success less attractive.
Why go make something of yourself and build your own wealth when the Government will just take from those who do, and give it to you who won't?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 07:18 AM (8y9MW)
Ponzi
Romneycare
Obamacare
Mandate
tax cut
Gardisil
That should put you in a FKN coma.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 11:17 AM (ZDUD4)
I'll get a bottle of 151 and have 911 on speed dial.
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:18 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 22, 2011 07:18 AM (AZGON)
Exactly. It's so much more than just about the money. It's about exerting control and modifying behavior via taxing authority.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 22, 2011 07:19 AM (r4t7/)
There's a house converted to a mosque about a block and a half from my parents' place in Minneapolis that gets crazy traffic. Unsurprisingly the zoning board and police refuse to do anything about it.
I suggest these Bible study peeps announce they've switched to Koran study, and see if the neighbors still complain.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 22, 2011 07:19 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:19 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 22, 2011 07:20 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 11:15 AM (x3YFz)
You're stockpiling the metal to make silver bullets?
Um, you don't need silver bullets to kill zombies, unless they are zombie werewolves!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 22, 2011 07:20 AM (9hSKh)
Sure enough, 10 minutes later, Fox News has banner headline that new claims dropped 9k.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 22, 2011 07:20 AM (jiVmv)
I was being semi-sarcastic. But I'd give up 10% if I knew everyone else did and I didn't have to pay another fucking dime to feed the Leviathan that is killing us.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 11:19 AM (UlUS4)
I know. I was humping your sarcasm with the monkey of doom.
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:21 AM (x3YFz)
subject: Jobs jobs jobs jobs
[redacted],
In DC, they're all talking about the deficit. However, the real crisis in America is the lack of jobs.
Last week, Senator Jeff Merkley had a simple idea to change the narrative: The Congressional Budget Office should score the deficit Super Committee's budget package for its impact on jobs.
Please join Daily Kos and Senator Jeff Merkley and call on the Super Committee to support two principles:
1. Independent review: Its budget package should be given an independent review by the Congressional Budget Office to measure how many jobs it creates or eliminates.
2. Do no harm: Reject any budget package that would cost more jobs than it creates.
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Posted by: soothsayer at September 22, 2011 07:21 AM (sqkOB)
Yeah, Minneapolis is nuts. Did the house actually get re-zoned to whatever the code is for a church/synagog/mosque? If so, there isn't much the City can do about it.
I suggest these Bible study peeps announce they've switched to Koran study, and see if the neighbors still complain.
LOL. I bet they'd at least complain quieter.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 07:21 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 07:21 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:21 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 22, 2011 07:22 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 11:15 AM (x3YFz)
You're stockpiling the metal to make silver bullets?
Um, you don't need silver bullets to kill zombies, unless they are zombie werewolves!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 22, 2011 11:20 AM (9hSKh)
And you, sir, know for a fact that there won't be zombie werewolves?!
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:22 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Warden at September 22, 2011 07:23 AM (KulgD)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:23 AM (UlUS4)
LOL
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 22, 2011 11:21 AM (136wp)
hill?
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:23 AM (x3YFz)
The smart money left a long time ago.
Oh, and notice how PMs are down along with the market. Smells like 2008.
Posted by: Warden at September 22, 2011 11:23 AM (KulgD)
yup. the (cough) strong dollar (gimme a sec... HAHAHAHAHA! ok back) is killing all the commodities at the same time.
The only place to put your money right now is in the fireplace. At least it'll be useful for a few minutes.
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:25 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:25 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:26 AM (UlUS4)
Unions or Islamic Rage (non-La-Z) boys?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 11:25 AM (UlUS4)
From my rigorous 30 second analysis, it looked like an attempted hit on a lawyer.
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:26 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 07:27 AM (ZDUD4)
Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 07:27 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 07:27 AM (UlUS4)
That was my point @23. Reading the post made me realize that the people who refused to see that Obama is a lazy, blame-shifting piece of shit either are themselves lazy, blame-shifting pieces of shit.
Believing the best of somebody when all evidence screams that he is evil is a moral failing.
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 10:58 AM (cbyrC)
This ...
Posted by: No Whining at September 22, 2011 07:28 AM (Wqfrr)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 11:27 AM (ZDUD4)
I was actually going to say that same thing lol. I volunteer to be a suspect!
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:28 AM (x3YFz)
The smart money left a long time ago.
Oh, and notice how PMs are down along with the market. Smells like 2008.
I'm trying to be a glass-half-full kind of guy. I mean, just how many DJIA points do we really need?
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 22, 2011 07:28 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 22, 2011 07:29 AM (i6RpT)
Does AmishDude have an alibi?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 07:29 AM (8y9MW)
Better yet, import the Chassids and their "Mitzvah Tanks" with the speakers that blare out "Hava Nagila" and "Am Yisroel Chai."
My mom has Israeli and US Air Force flags on the front door. For some reason when the imam did door-to-door outreach he skipped their place.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 22, 2011 07:29 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: navybrat at September 22, 2011 11:11 AM (5s4vr)
What about the outskirts of Detroit?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 22, 2011 11:12 AM (UlUS4)
Those poor buggers would be upended and stripped for recyclable metals so quickly it would make you head spin.
Posted by: No Whining at September 22, 2011 07:30 AM (Wqfrr)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 07:30 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: Spiker at September 22, 2011 07:30 AM (Z7vD/)
2) EAST WING BLING: MICHELLE O'S $42,000 DIAMOND CUFFS...
Gag me
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 22, 2011 11:29 AM (i6RpT)
Look, between his golf and my shopping... he's the hardest working guy who never does anything he was elected to do that I never see.
Posted by: M'Shell at September 22, 2011 07:30 AM (x3YFz)
Case in point, the media and libtard breast-beating over that scum Troy Davis. Thirty-four eyewitnesses and they still ignore the evidence. If they'd show 1/10 the heartbreak towards the officer's family...
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 22, 2011 07:31 AM (136wp)
All of them. I'm filling out my 2011-2012 brackets.
Posted by: SCoaMF at September 22, 2011 07:31 AM (r4t7/)
Posted by: DJIA 2 x 4 at September 22, 2011 11:30 AM (8y9MW)
Don't worry. I personally packed your chute.
Posted by: SCOAMF at September 22, 2011 07:32 AM (x3YFz)
If it is a problem I recommend finding out if they are in violation of the local zoning laws. If they are visit the local county or city council meeting to remind them that zoning laws are like deed covenants.
Failure to enforce any of them makes them ALL invalid. Let them know that since they have decided to abandon the zoning laws you intend to open an industrial pig farm. complete with waste lagoons.
Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2011 07:32 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 22, 2011 07:32 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at September 22, 2011 07:33 AM (npr0X)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 07:34 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 22, 2011 07:34 AM (jiVmv)
From a moral standpoint, many things that are related in reality are "independent" of each other. However, since they're related in reality- the "moral standpoint" is somewhat academic.
An income tax taxes productivity- It's not my favorite, but I'm not huge fan of consumption taxes (especially on necessities) either- so pick your poison there. A progressive income tax (where we not only tax the rich more, but we tax them relatively more) not only taxes productivity, but it also depresses success- and leads directly to the redistributive scheme we have today.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 07:34 AM (8y9MW)
If it is a problem I recommend finding out if they are in violation of the local zoning laws. If they are visit the local county or city council meeting to remind them that zoning laws are like deed covenants.
Failure to enforce any of them makes them ALL invalid. Let them know that since they have decided to abandon the zoning laws you intend to open an industrial pig farm. complete with waste lagoons.
Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2011 11:32 AM (M9Ie6)
Maybe it's just the moron in me but I'd opt for the strip club with bacon-covered boobies.
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 07:34 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at September 22, 2011 07:34 AM (j84s0)
Well, that almost goes without saying...
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 22, 2011 07:35 AM (136wp)
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 22, 2011 07:35 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 22, 2011 07:37 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 22, 2011 07:37 AM (ZDUD4)
See Shadowstats dot com for accurate unemployment numbers. Personally, I think his numbers are still low.
He doesn't include the under-employed or people who've finally given up and quit looking for a job.
At a minimum, unemployment is over twenty per cent.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 22, 2011 07:39 AM (E7Z1r)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 07:39 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 22, 2011 11:35 AM (Hx5uv)
How soon can we expect to read the glowing press releases touting the unprecedented success represented by Wreckovery Summer II?
Posted by: No Whining at September 22, 2011 07:40 AM (Wqfrr)
Posted by: SCOAMF at September 22, 2011 07:44 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 22, 2011 07:51 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: pajama momma at September 22, 2011 07:54 AM (nwTUT)
Posted by: grognard at September 22, 2011 10:59 AM (NS2Mo)
I got in and voted for you. Seems you just need to know a valid Canadian postal address and phone number.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 22, 2011 07:57 AM (ItDg4)
Clearly written so long ago it means nothing.
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Did someone point out that Congress was not the body that fined this couple?
And isn't it already well-established that government can regulate how we assemble via permits?
Posted by: Y-not hasn't read the comments at September 22, 2011 08:02 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 08:06 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: SFGoth at September 22, 2011 08:09 AM (dZ756)
Posted by: SFGoth at September 22, 2011 12:09 PM (dZ756)
got my "bling" last year! You won't be chewing hard candy on that side for the rest of your life, but it IS sexy.
Posted by: tangonine at September 22, 2011 08:19 AM (x3YFz)
MA(E)D: Mutually Assured Economic Destruction...isn't it grand? I want to go back to MA(N)D: Mutually Assured Nuclear Destruction. It had better results.
Posted by: halodoc at September 22, 2011 08:42 AM (gLiPk)
I got in and voted for you. Seems you just need to know a valid Canadian postal address and phone number.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 22, 2011 11:57 AM (ItDg4)
Awesome! Thank you!
Posted by: grognard at September 22, 2011 08:50 AM (NS2Mo)
In August, the official said, Solydra's investors informed the company and DOE that they would not loan Solyndra any more money unless DOE agreed to another restructuring that would have required significant concessions. It was determined that those concessions would have the government, and taxpayers, in a significantly worse position and DOE rejected the terms. DOE did offer to consider whether there might be other more mutually acceptable ways forward. But before those discussions could be completed, the company ran out of available cash.
The potential August deal and potential lifeline that the administration could have offered to Solyndra is certain to raise plenty of new questions about the final days of the company, but it does offer some explanation as to why company CEO Brian Harrison was in Washington as recently as late July telling members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee that the company was on solid financial footing.The good news here is that apparently DOE does have a threshold beyond which they won't proceed, but you've got to wonder how the terms could have gotten worse than losing it all ... guess taxpayers would lose even more.
Missing is how they ever got the load to begin with .. and those claims of "solid financial footing" OMG
Posted by: Grim Reaper at September 22, 2011 08:53 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Joffen at September 22, 2011 11:13 AM (EPcuy)
Thank you too!
Posted by: grognard at September 22, 2011 08:54 AM (NS2Mo)
Posted by: steevy at September 22, 2011 12:21 PM (fyOgS)
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 22, 2011 05:05 AM (8y9MW)