November 02, 2011
— Monty
ADP reports that the economy added 110,000 jobs in October. Nothing to be overjoyed about, but it could be a lot worse. (EDIT: However, the ADP number does show the continuing erosion in America's manufacturing employment. I don't think this means we're making less stuff; it just means that we need fewer people to do it.)
How American civilization can avoid collapse.
Are the Greeks preparing for a coup or trying to prevent one? Either way, this isnÂ’t good news.
Greece is finding out that when things go to s**t...they go to s**t fast. (Italy and Spain nod and say, “How true! How true!”)
Greece may discover that revenge tastes great, but is less filling. A note about this Greek “referendum”: it doesn’t matter whether it takes place or not. The damage is already done, the demons already set loose. The Greeks have already voted “no”, whether they know it or not.
Next up on the DOOM parade: Italy.
Peter Wallison gives a pretty good technical summary of the Eurozone's crisis. (The confusion over what banks are, what they do, what they're for, and how they're regulated is mind-boggling. I'm trying to find time to do an "Econ 101 at AoSHQ" post about it, because I think a lot of people really, really, really don't understand much about banking, especially modern fractional-reserve banking.)
B-b-b-but...didnÂ’t Teh Bernank tell us that inflation was nowhere to be seen? WhaÂ’ happen?
Two economists explain the NBA lockout.
Jon Corzine may be looking at a long vacation in the greybar hotel. Maybe he can bunk with Bernie Madoff. (Hey -- maybe there’s a sitcom in this! DIBS!) It also turns out that Jon Corzine is quite the fabulist. Who knew? This is another cautionary tale about how many financiers view “acceptable risk”. Which is to say, they totally ignore the downside and take the upside as a given. Which is great when the bet pays off -- you look like a genius. But when Dame Fortune frowns upon you...well, like I said, things can go to s**t with terrifying speed. A prudent man hopes for the best but prepares for the worst.
When is 50% really 22.5%? It's math like this that got the nations of the world into the fix they're in right now.
Katrina vanden Hooberjooberglooberdoober wants you to know that she doesnÂ’t like Republican obstructionism. Not one little bit. It reflects badly on her boyfriend Barack, and this makes her stamp her tiny little foot in rage.
Your bailout/tax dollars, hard at work: bankrupt (and bailed-out) firms Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac paying out more than $12 million in bonuses to 10 executives. I wonder when the “occupy” idiots will set up camp out on Fannie’s front lawn....
Keynes assumed that the initial deficient level of aggregate demand would remain unchanged until the stimulative (“pump-priming”) effect of additional government spending kicked in. In other words, increased government spending, or its anticipation, would not further diminish pre-existing levels of consumer demand and investment demand. However, Keynes’s failure to consider the possibility of an adverse effect from government spending—that it might lead to still further decay in the prior levels of consumption and investment—was a fundamental flaw in the theory.
UPDATE 1: Mister Corzine chose...poorly. And since this is the NYT, they prescribe the same medicine that has thus far totally failed to work: more regulation.
UPDATE 2: Via Insty, many of the "occupy" retards are pretty well-heeled retards. It stands to reason, I guess: most genuinely poor people can't afford to just stand around all day chanting nonsense. The rent's gonna come due whether you're outraged or not.
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Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at November 02, 2011 04:52 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Ben Bernanke, Ph.D. at November 02, 2011 04:53 AM (rJVPU)
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at November 02, 2011 04:54 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 04:57 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 02, 2011 04:58 AM (O7ksG)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 08:57 AM (8y9MW)
looks at approval ratings
44% disagree 51% agree and 5% need to make up their damn minds
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at November 02, 2011 04:59 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at November 02, 2011 05:01 AM (yAor6)
All former and current Fannie and Freddie executives must be required to pay that money back. THAT IS OUR MONEY.
I'm certain they are all good democrats, so their corruption won't be held to account.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 02, 2011 05:01 AM (O7ksG)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 02, 2011 08:58 AM (O7ksG)
CNBC just had a tease about Corzine....
'Where is John Corzine?....there is a stakeout at his apt. in NY.'
Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2011 05:04 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 02, 2011 05:06 AM (DrWcr)
'Where is John Corzine?....
you can thank that self-admitted hack Alicia Menendez and her daddy Senator Menendez for him NJ
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at November 02, 2011 05:06 AM (yAor6)
I agree with much of it, but I thought we'd dispelled this little gem some time ago: "Yet life expectancy in the U.S. has risen from 70 to 78 in the past 50 years, compared with leaps from 68 to 83 in Japan and from 43 to 73 in China."
The rest stands up (as far as I know) but I'm getting really tired of comparing the Apples of American Life Expectancy to the inorganic matter (a rock, maybe?) of anyone else's. When you don't count infant mortality, or don't count still-births (America counts both) your "average" climbs quite quickly.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 05:06 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 02, 2011 05:07 AM (Qjh0I)
The left want trickle down regulations. Regulations at all levels. No one will be able to start a new business or do anything without first paying the democrat government control machine.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 02, 2011 05:07 AM (O7ksG)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 02, 2011 05:09 AM (p7SSh)
Speaking of: did anyone else click over to that Moe Lane piece on Rick Perry? Whatever else you think of him, you can't claim he's not bold on de-regulation/de-subsidization. Going into Iowa and basically saying, "If you want fewer regs, you've got to accept fewer subsidies" is fairly gutsy.
I didn't have time to watch the clip at home this morning, was it as good as Moe was saying, or was he hyping it?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 05:10 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Bob Saget vs Matt Damon (no matter who wins we lose) at November 02, 2011 05:13 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 02, 2011 05:14 AM (Qjh0I)
Fixed.
Actually, they don't want regs at all levels. If they thought they could get away with a law that said "No law shall apply to any sitting member of Congress" they would pass it in a heartbeat. No, they only want regs at all levels below themselves. Which is a completely different proposition, and one that has not-too-pleasant connotations.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 05:14 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Truman North at November 02, 2011 05:15 AM (I2LwF)
Maybe, but not too terribly likely. He's embarrassed Teh Won, and must be made to suffer, after all.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 05:15 AM (8y9MW)
What does it say that CNBC is (in some areas, at least) more right-leaning than FoxNews?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 05:16 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Truman North at November 02, 2011 05:17 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: auscolpyr at November 02, 2011 05:19 AM (+KmL5)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 02, 2011 05:19 AM (Qjh0I)
(Bloomberg) Two U.S. lawmakers will introduce measures to impose a transaction tax on financial firms that resembles a proposal released by the European Union.
Senator Tom Harkin, an Iowa Democrat, and Representative Peter DeFazio, an Oregon Democrat, will introduce the bills tomorrow in their respective chambers. The bills will give the United States an increased role in the international debate over a transaction tax, which is likely to be discussed at the Group of 20 summit this week in Cannes, France.
“It’s a significant way to raise some needed revenue,”
Harkin said in an interview today in Washington. “Quite
frankly, I bet nobody would even feel it.”
Quite frankly, I'll bet Harkin's brain stop receiving oxygen decades ago. Yes, we need to be more like Europe, it's in such great shape
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2011 05:20 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 02, 2011 05:21 AM (SH3gZ)
That's disappointing.
I wish, oh how I wish, that some rich conservative would build an actual conservative news network, and then stick to his (or her, I suppose) guns and make it stay conservative.
No Sheppy Smith, no Bob Beckel, just a solid, conservative take on the news.
Don't give me "fair and balanced," give me "Conservative." One truly Conservative network will not tip the scales significantly.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 05:22 AM (8y9MW)
On the up-side, it's dead in the House. And it should be dead in the Senate, since it is absolutely not a "jobs bill."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 05:23 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Truman North at November 02, 2011 05:26 AM (I2LwF)
GermanyÂ’s Not a Good Role ModelÂ…Except When Compared to the Profligate U.S.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 02, 2011 05:26 AM (9hSKh)
Morning, all!
You know, I think the Danes may be onto something here:
World's Thickest Book Details Denmark's Unemployment Benefits and Regulations (link to the Copenhagen Post Online)
The worldÂ’s thickest book is about to be published here in Denmark. The book is 23,675 pages long, but its contents and publisher are as noteworthy as its length.
Unemployment insurance company “Min A-kasse” published the book, and in its voluminous pages you can read the entire legal framework around which the country's unemployment insurance funds are administered.
The purpose of publishing the book is to encourage debate about the growing bureaucracy surrounding unemployment benefits, explained Simon Bauer, a spokesperson Min A-Kasse.
“Our goal is to show how large the bureaucracy has grown in this area,” he said.
“Bureaucracy can be difficult to understand, but it becomes more concrete when there are so many regulations that it takes the world’s largest book to publish them all.”
Half a century ago unemployment benefits legislation filled only 421 pages. That number grew to 17,000 in 2000. And since then another 7,000 have been added....
Everyone here knows that over-regulation of the private sector is a job killer, but it's difficult for the average layman to really wrap their head around that. I bet if you published all the EPA regulations that companies have to abide by in a single volume, it would give this piece of bureucratic politospeak a run for its money in the size department. And if people still don't understand why too much regulation is a bad thing after seeing the size of such a publication, you can politely bludgeon them with it, because there's no hope for them anyway.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 05:28 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Still clinging and thumping, bitter- not so much at November 02, 2011 05:28 AM (yQ8fM)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 05:29 AM (4df7R)
Interesting. You mean, if you keep government smaller, and its burden on its people lower, an economy will grow faster. Hmmm... I'll need to think about this...
I wish that this wasn't news, but somehow I think there really are people who would be shocked at that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 05:30 AM (8y9MW)
RE: CDR M's sidebar piece about Colorado rejecting tax increases to fund "education" (ie, teacher unions).
"Does this mean the whole it's for the children ploy is dead?"
If it's not dead, it's at least starting to show signs of terminal leprosy.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 05:33 AM (4df7R)
ADP reports that the economy added 110,000 jobs in October.
Don't they say if the number is less than 300K you are losing ground?
Posted by: Vic at November 02, 2011 05:37 AM (YdQQY)
Emperor Barry hath spoken, yea verily:
“So we’re going to keep on looking for everything I can do without Congress to help families economically, help rebuild our middle class, strengthen the economy. But in the meantime, I want everybody to keep on putting pressure on Congress to, you know, put country ahead of party. Don’t worry about the next election, worry about the next generation and how we’re going to build an economy where the middle class and people who want to get into the middle class have a chance to succeed,” President Obama told KUSA-TV in Denver, Colorado.
If you legitimately care about the next generation, you should be worrying about the next election. Because getting Emperor SCOAMFOTUS out of the Oval Office is the only hope for salvaging this country for the next generation.
(link to WZ, quoting from RCP)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 05:38 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Tami at November 02, 2011 05:38 AM (X6akg)
I thought it was like 200K, but yes, 110K is "losing ground." But still better than any smaller (or negative) number.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 05:38 AM (8y9MW)
The Roman Empire didnÂ’t decline and fall sedately, as historians used to claim. It collapsed within a few decades in the early fifth century, tipped over the edge of chaos by barbarian invaders and internal divisions.
This guy has brown eyes so bad it is leaking out. He needs to get a big roll of toilet paper to clean his eyes with.
Posted by: Vic at November 02, 2011 05:41 AM (YdQQY)
I'm of two minds about this quote. I try to imagine it coming from a Reagan or a pre-2008 GWB, and I don't find it nearly so objectionable. Which means the stance itself is not the problem, the problem is the person saying it.
Of course that's a big problem. Because what Reagan or GWB would have done "without Congress" is reign in some of the Executive Branch bureaucracies and roll back some of the things that had been done by executive order. What Barack Obama (who is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure) wants to do is increase the power and activity of those agencies and issue more regulation-by-fiat via XO.
But let's not make too big a deal about the quote itself- because the President does actually have some power there. Let's make sure we're pointing out the problems with this specific President saying that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 05:42 AM (8y9MW)
The more inclusive inflation measure is at 3.9 percent and hammering at consumers, including the 14 million who remain unemployed.
These clown can help but lie. Real inflation is over 10% and getting higher.
Posted by: Vic at November 02, 2011 05:43 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: franksalterego at November 02, 2011 09:41 AM (9XykO)
where the fuck you been? w/ how backed up you are in your news it's no wonder ur backing hiding in the bushes, celebrating a serial killer's birthday, tardasil, pray the gay away, and God made the earthquake Bachmann.
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at November 02, 2011 05:45 AM (yAor6)
In a just world Corzine is wearing an orange jumpsuit before the year is out.
And to the bozos at NYT; we already have laws and regulations to stop what MFGlobal did, they just didn't bother to follow them. They need to be punished, not have more shit layered on.
Posted by: Don Quinine at November 02, 2011 05:45 AM (dB02l)
Hey, lookit! Colorado got it right! Of course, aren't they the ones who passed a "Taxpayers' Bill of Rights" some years ago, where all tax increases above population growth + inflation had to be approved by the voters?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 05:46 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Don Quinine at November 02, 2011 05:46 AM (dB02l)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 05:47 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Don Quinine at November 02, 2011 05:47 AM (dB02l)
Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 02, 2011 05:47 AM (SH3gZ)
(ABC News) The story of MF Global's downward spiral, with former New Jersey governor Jon Corzine at the helm, is only starting to unfold, though some may say it was a predictable one.
With news that federal regulators are investigating whether the
broker-dealer is missing customer money, the company's failure may have
larger repercussions to the financial system.
How much blame can be placed on Corzine is unclear, though he did have an "aggressive" plan during a volatile period, said Lurie.
Like Corzine's, the futures of the company's 2,900 employees are unclear, though the Financial Times reported employees in the office in London were told not to work but were not sent home.
It's a hell of a record Johnny's got there. And you'll be surprised to know that ABC never mentions his political party
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 02, 2011 05:48 AM (1Jaio)
Everything is moving to the left - that can't be good.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 02, 2011 05:49 AM (NJs1e)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 05:49 AM (4df7R)
That breaks it every time. You stupid kids need to stop that.
Posted by: dagny at November 02, 2011 05:49 AM (cAVkv)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 05:50 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 02, 2011 05:53 AM (Qjh0I)
It astonishes me that some economists do not take into account the fact that interventions in the economy change the economy, and that people change their behavior in reaction to changed circumstances. It's as if a physician didn't consider the side-effects of his treatments, and how they affect the patient's health.
Posted by: Brown Line at November 02, 2011 05:54 AM (VrNoa)
Israel Considers Pre-Emptive Attack On Iran
It's about to get real very soon, as this kind of public announcement would not be aired if there wasn't already a solid plan in motion. This kind of thing is a few years too late, but it must be done.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 02, 2011 05:54 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Heorot at November 02, 2011 05:55 AM (Nq/UF)
This guy has brown eyes so bad it is leaking out. He needs to get a big roll of toilet paper to clean his eyes with.
Yeah, oversimplified. It declined, then lurched off a cliff.
Not that it makes it any less pertinent.
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Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 09:57 AM (4df7R)
That'll mostly work if you put after your name. I think it'll screw up other formatting though it's not as bad. Best to just wait for cob logger to fix the tag.
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 06:03 AM (8y9MW)
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Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at November 02, 2011 06:08 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 02, 2011 06:09 AM (SH3gZ)
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Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 02, 2011 06:09 AM (SH3gZ)
I feeeeeeeeeeel diiiiiiizzzzzyyyyy....
Posted by: Insomniac at November 02, 2011 06:09 AM (DrWcr)
Domo arigatou gozaimasu, DiT!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 06:10 AM (4df7R)
Link needs no comment at all.
Posted by: franksalterego at November 02, 2011 10:07 AM (9XykO)
Yeesh, yearly dose more like
Posted by: Red Shirt at November 02, 2011 06:10 AM (FIDMq)
I accidentally deleted someone else's comment too, sorry about that.
Whoever's doing this, it was kinda funny, yeah, but please, no more. Thank you.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 02, 2011 06:11 AM (WvXvd)
Link needs no comment at all.
Posted by: franksalterego at November 02, 2011 10:07 AM (9XykO)
Of course, the fact that the SCOAMFOTUS has been blaming everyone and everything for the country's problems since he was elected is immaterial. When's the last time he blamed the Japanese earthquake and tsunami for something, actually? I'd say he's about due to throw that tragedy under the bus again.
What an arrogant bag-of-dicks our idiot Pre-snit is.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 06:12 AM (4df7R)
Regarding OWS update #2 ... I think they are uproared! ... not outraged ...
Posted by: Honey Badger at November 02, 2011 06:14 AM (GvYeG)
Regarding OWS update #2 ... I think they much are uproared! ... not outraged ...
Posted by: Honey Badger at November 02, 2011 10:14 AM (GvYeG)
FIFY.
(Gotta get as many memes in there as possible when the opportunity arises!)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 06:16 AM (4df7R)
http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/
Posted by: Shiggz undecided - weighing pros-cons-balls at November 02, 2011 06:16 AM (I9fXA)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at November 02, 2011 06:17 AM (jucos)
All right, I have to come clean on the marquee thing. I was trying to do a news ticker type deal in the name field, confirming Obama's continued SCOAMFness, but for some reason it applied the effect to everything that came thereafter. Completely unintentional, and I do apologize for temporarily breaking the blog.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 02, 2011 10:15 AM (v+QvA)
I forgive you, Insomniac. Like I posted in one my comments during the Scroll Event, that was probably the most fun I'll have all day. :-D
Now do try to get some sleep. Insomnia isn't healthy.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 06:17 AM (4df7R)
Thank you for taking responsibility- but it really is annoying even when it's done correctly. Please don't do that again.
Or we shall be force you to wear the Cone of Shame.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 06:18 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Honey Badger at November 02, 2011 06:19 AM (GvYeG)
I guess, we can always play a game of Your Candidate is Goofier Than My Candidate
Game on.
Posted by: franksalterego at November 02, 2011 06:19 AM (9XykO)
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 02, 2011 06:19 AM (ycuSb)
Okay, that's good. Nice to see them taking some action to say, "Hey, we're trying to fix things."
Of course, the problem we have with "jobs bills" is that the parties are fundamentally divided over what would "create jobs." Republicans (more specifically: Conservatives) believe that reduced regulation, more consistent enforcement, and a smaller tax burden will create jobs, while Democrats believe that increased regulation, capricious enforcement, and higher taxes create jobs.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 06:21 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: franksalterego at November 02, 2011 10:19 AM (9XykO)
i'm an undecided w/o a candidate right now so I can't play *shrugs shoulder* sorry, but I know i'm def. not voting for Bachmann unless it's against a Dem
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at November 02, 2011 06:21 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 06:22 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 10:22 AM (ZDUD4)
Hey, why's it only gotta be smart people? No fair!
Posted by: Joe Biden at November 02, 2011 06:26 AM (4df7R)
Okay, that's good. Nice to see them taking some action to say, "Hey, we're trying to fix things."
Agreed. Not that anyone outside of the Republican/conservative blogosphere will ever hear about it thanks to the cracker jack media.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 06:27 AM (4df7R)
This sounds like fun.
Vote Republican
The Party of the Least Goofy
Posted by: franksalterego at November 02, 2011 06:28 AM (9XykO)
On this day, November 2nd, in history...
1936: Mussolini + Hitler 4eva; the Axis Powers are born.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 06:30 AM (sqkOB)
November 2, 2004
Theo Van Gogh is murdered by followers of Islam, the religion of peace, for making a movie critical to Islamic practices.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 06:31 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 06:33 AM (ZDUD4)
The value of it, is that its a easy to grasp graphic for regular uninformed people who otherwise would be tricked a leftist liar about republican obstructionism. etc..
Posted by: Shiggz undecided - weighing pros-cons-balls at November 02, 2011 06:34 AM (I9fXA)
Posted by: Shiggz undecided - weighing pros-cons-balls at November 02, 2011 06:35 AM (I9fXA)
November 2, 2004
Theo Van Gogh is murdered by followers of Islam, the religion of peace, for making a movie critical to Islamic practices.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 10:31 AM (sqkOB)
Yep, because nothing says peace-loving like shooting and stabbing someone to death in public.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 02, 2011 06:38 AM (DrWcr)
I agree, and I said it was nice to see. My problem is that many (most) of those "uninformed people" are getting the majority of their "information" (propaganda might be a better word) from the major Networks. Forget MSNBC and CNN, we're talking ABC, CBS, and NBC. And their coverage will sound something like this:
"Republicans claim that their bills, currently stalled in the Senate, would create jobs. But many critics disagree [Cut to Dem politician calling Republicans Evil; then cut to Liberal Economist calling Republicans Evil]. Just what it will take to convince Republicans that they're being evil, Mr. So-and-so could not say."
So, while it's nice, and it's helpful for when you run into the truly curious, it's not going to gain much traction.
This was not a dig against House Republicans, but against the low-information voter.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 06:40 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at November 02, 2011 06:41 AM (MyByM)
Not only did the Democrats win in 1948, they stomped the GOP's ass.
They won back all their losses in 1946 and then some. Plus another term for that unpopular shithead Harry Truman.
1946
Republicans in the House +55
Republicans in the Senate +12
1948
Republicans in the House -75
Republicans in the Senate -9
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 06:42 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Honey Badger at November 02, 2011 06:42 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 06:45 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Honey Badger at November 02, 2011 06:48 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 10:42 AM (sqkOB)
i'd argue we're looking at more 1916 then 1948
in 1948 the economy was good, labor unions had MUCH more power, and Dewey only made 16 speeches oppose to Truman who went around the country speaking every day.
in 1916 Wilson was unpopular, prime for losing, and the Gop was on the ups
the GOP gained in both the house and senate as Wilson was re-elected, Wilson's foe had bad GOP base support and some progressive GOPers ended up flocking to Wilson. Wilson even won the women's vote even though it was considered a locked up GOP vote then. so if your looking for seomthing to compare a bad scenario next year to, look at 1916
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at November 02, 2011 06:48 AM (yAor6)
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Posted by: LC LaWedgie at November 02, 2011 06:54 AM (m8ARs)
Okay, but you're thinking the GOP is gonna gain seats in Congress, I do not.
In 1914 the GOP gained a lot of seats in the House, lost a few in the Senate. So it's not really comparable to 2010.
I say 2012 will be like 1948 because both 2010 and 2012 will mirror 1946 and 1948 perfectly.
In other words we're headed for complete election disaster.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 06:56 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 02, 2011 06:57 AM (1cUr7)
Posted by: twoslaps at November 02, 2011 06:58 AM (yBkGb)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 10:56 AM (sqkOB)
so your saying, and I dont mean this as trying to diss your position, that the American people are so stupid that after giving Obama's party an ass kicking they're gonna give them the power back admist bad approval ratings, bad unemployment numbers, bad economy, and mediocre GDP growth? because if that happens I officially declare this country stupid
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at November 02, 2011 06:58 AM (yAor6)
OT, but I saw this story linked at Moe Lane and it just screamed "HQ" to me.
Face discovered in testicular tumor
My first thought upon seeing the ultrasound in question was, "This is some weird, (even more) f'ed up version of The Fly, isn't it? I'd hate to see the other guy."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 02, 2011 07:03 AM (4df7R)
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Evan Bayh was on with Laura this morning and he summed it up perfectly regarding the presidential election. He said if you look at the macros, i.e., unemployment, etc., it favors the Republicans. But then, he said, you need to take into account the Republican field. Obama wins.
Our people suck. They are not winners. And they are not leaders.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 07:05 AM (sqkOB)
Barack Hussein Obama, a radical leftist who managed to win Indiana, by the way, is the worst president and he is surrounded by awful people.
Yet he enjoys a nice approval rating in the mid-40's.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 07:07 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 11:05 AM (sqkOB)
well I disagree with you but i'll take your view into account going into next year, if what you say happens does happen, i'll probably never vote again. It'll depress me how stupid the country is to do such a thing bad field or not.
Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at November 02, 2011 07:07 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 11:05 AM (sqkOB)
Fixed!
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Posted by: twoslaps at November 02, 2011 07:11 AM (yBkGb)
Man, you need to get some happy juice. You're making me seem like an optimist.
I think, more than 1 year out from the General Election, we're seeing the crumbling of the Obama Myth. Those who are really "plugged in" have know that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure for quite some time, but what with F&F finally getting at least a little attention, Solyndra, MF Global, and so forth, even the under-informed are starting to get a clue.
Add that to unrelenting high unemployment, real inflation around 10%, and a stock market that looks like it has Bi-Polar disorder (or at least ADHD), and the Democrats have a disaster in the making.
Can the GOP screw this up? Yes, but I still hold out hope that we won't.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 07:12 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 07:16 AM (ZDUD4)
If it happens, you may not have to worry about voting again.
At the moment, I don't know whether to go Full Tinfoil Hat or weep. One might say getting another term for the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure is what the entitlement-hungry, more-government-is-good-for-us loons (who seem to outnumber us at present) deserve, but the kicker is that we will be forced to suffer along with them.
Our worst candidate is better than the Traitor-in-Chief, but that's not saying a lot. We don't have a "best" choice right now, especially with the eating-our-own tactics we seem to be embracing.
Disgusting, but apparently unavoidable.
Posted by: Wayne Newton at November 02, 2011 07:16 AM (HkOAc)
"to separate retail and investment banking,"
They're the same thing. Why do the economically illiterate insist on trying to recommend economic policy? "Investment banking" is enabled by retail banking and, in fact, is the only reason modern banks have for continuing to offer basic Checking and Savings accounts.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 07:17 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 07:18 AM (ZDUD4)
We're on the right side of every issue.
We're good people.
You'd think we'd have a deep bench of candidates.
And you'd think we'd easily win every election.
But we don't.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 07:19 AM (sqkOB)
One of the greatest coaching meltdowns ever. Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 11:18 AM
You saying we need a presidential candidate from Arizona?
Second look at Joe Arpaio!!11!!eleventy!
Posted by: Wayne Newton at November 02, 2011 07:19 AM (HkOAc)
Posted by: Truman North at November 02, 2011 07:19 AM (I2LwF)
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Posted by: Errol at November 02, 2011 07:20 AM (vewos)
The Cardinals had them on the ropes. It was a definite W.
But the Bears said no. They refused to accept being beaten by a lesser team.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 07:21 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 07:21 AM (ZDUD4)
Exactly, O-p.
The Democrats are in the business of politics.
The Republicans are in the business of business.
Democrats aren't interested in leading the country towards prosperity. The Democrats only care about leading the country.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 07:24 AM (sqkOB)
The reality today that we have got to come to grips with is that our government has evolved, probably past the point of going back. The people we elect are, if we are honest with ourselves, chosen for us. We may vote, but we don’t select – a big difference. Over the last two years, collective congressional net worth has increased by 25%. Not bad in the worst recession since the great depression. Under these circumstances, why would we even ever dream that there would be major changes in Washington? The thought of it is insane. Even those we have come to delude ourselves as being worthy of our respect and admiration are, in the end, products of the current American political system. They’re politicians - politicians who will risk everything to preserve the current system, and that is the unvarnished truth. We can have our fun arguing politics, but in the end we the people – mean nothing.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 02, 2011 07:26 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Marybel at November 02, 2011 07:28 AM (Hic+o)
I'm afraid you're right, HtP.
For example, the Senate seat in MA will be sold for roughly $20M in 2012.
If you're part of the big special interest group who buys that seat, you win. If you're an ordinary independent citizen, you lose.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 07:28 AM (sqkOB)
It ain't daybreak, but it's 4 O'clock.
Oh, no, no, no, Pops, you know that ain't the play.
What you talkin' 'bout, it's the W.P.A.The W.P.A.
The W.P.A.
Sleep while you work, while you rest, while you play
Lean on your shovel to pass the time away
T'ain't what you do, you can die for your pay.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at November 02, 2011 07:31 AM (m8ARs)
I feel like John Edwards.
I live in two Ace of Spades HQ's.
This thread deals with the harsh reality.
The thread below entertains wishes and fantasy.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 07:31 AM (sqkOB)
Think about how much self-assurance you have to have to do that. I tremble at the thought of that kind of responsibility, and might well run away from it even if called upon to shoulder it. They actively seek it out. For years. Spending millions. Straining their families. Think about that.
So, since they are all fatally flawed by that very (necessary) trait, the only thing I can look at and trust (I certainly can't trust their words) is their record. Those three, in my opinion, have the best record of Conservatism and facing down Democrats.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 07:32 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Truman North at November 02, 2011 07:33 AM (I2LwF)
The thread below entertains wishes and fantasy
Both are necessary. If we don't deal with the reality, it will slap us in the face. But if we focus only on that, we may well become despondent, and reluctant to do what is necessary.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 07:33 AM (8y9MW)
To be fair, I slowed that increase.
Posted by: John Boehner at November 02, 2011 07:38 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 07:38 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 07:38 AM (ZDUD4)
If we don't deal with the reality, it will slap us in the face.
That is exactly what I tell Mrs. North bout my penis.
Posted by: Truman North at November 02, 2011 07:39 AM (I2LwF)
They also had a list of Federal buildings, politicians, judges and reporters (Yep, I like that one). I don't think the greatest generation will sit back and wait to die. We will see more of this. Yeah. Do we know who they were targetting and what they wanted to achieve?
Posted by: Truman North at November 02, 2011 07:40 AM (I2LwF)
I'm not sure if I'm more afraid that you're right, or that you're wrong.
Because, even if successful, this behavior just leads to anarchy- which is bad. But it does show an unwillingness to let us slide into the very tyranny our Founding Fathers so forcefully rejected.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 07:41 AM (8y9MW)
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Posted by: MPFS at November 02, 2011 07:43 AM (iYbLN)
As opposed to what we have now...?
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I'm both pre-revoolutionary and suicidal.
I intend to be the first one up against the ramparts. To take the first bullet.
Posted by: Truman North at November 02, 2011 07:44 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 07:45 AM (ZDUD4)
We need a shot of adrenaline.
Since 2006 I always think of that scene in Braveheart when Wallace pleads with Robert the Bruce to lead.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 07:46 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 07:47 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Truman North at November 02, 2011 07:47 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Paul at November 02, 2011 07:48 AM (DsHk0)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 07:49 AM (ZDUD4)
And in the meantime, there's leaves to be raked, equipment to service, ducks, geese, grouse, deer and squirrels to harvest.
Plus grandkids to spoil.
Not all of it is bad.
Posted by: irongrampa at November 02, 2011 07:49 AM (SAMxH)
Kinda reminds me of that King of the Hill episode when Cotton and his buddies try to get Hank to assassinate Castro so he can become a "real" Texan.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 02, 2011 07:50 AM (sqkOB)
From the headlines thread this morning:
Suspected U.S. Militia Members Charged in Plot to Attack Government Officials
Four suspected members of a fringe north Georgia militia group were arrested Tuesday by federal authorities and charged with plotting to buy explosives and trying to make a deadly toxin in a bizarre plot to attack unnamed government officials.
The four men in their 60s and 70s were part of a group that also tried to obtain an unregistered explosive device and sought out the complex formula to produce ricin, a biological toxin that can be lethal in small doses, according to a federal complaint.
Given what we know about F&F I don't have a lot of confidence in this case. Are these oldsters hardened fanatics or are they the victims of the government creating a crime so they can have some more "home grown" terrorism to fuel Janet Uglytono's PR machine?
Posted by: Vic at November 02, 2011 07:51 AM (YdQQY)
Not true. We're just busy tearing down all the ones who are. And, face it, they're all flawed, so it's kind of justified.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 02, 2011 07:51 AM (8y9MW)
Link to the veteran/terror story in my name. 30 year navy vet and friends. Undercover guy caught them saying some pretty stupid shit but it's hard to tell if these guys are flakes, dangerous, or just bored geezers play-acting like badasses and getting real authorities caught up in it.
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Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 02, 2011 07:54 AM (ZDUD4)
Note: To actual nitwits, killing a few or even a lot of Feds is not going to fix anything and the guy you met a few months ago who can get you silencers is an Agent. Go volunteer & teach kids not to be mooches.
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