August 24, 2011
— Monty

Economic desperation is on the rise. Our government's policy of "ignore, delay, deny, lie, and obfuscate" isn't working. The welfare state is killing us -- that's becoming so obvious that even many liberals can't deny it.
Democrats, the NLRB, Boeing, and jobs. Even liberals are beginning to notice the stink.
No long-term case for equities? Even IÂ’m not that much of a bear (yet), but there is a case to be made. But Treasuries are worse, so if the choice is between a pig and a turd, IÂ’ll take the pig. (See this for why stocks might still be a better bet long-term than bonds.)
Bob “The Bear” Janjuah: Hope is for suckers! We’re doomed!
Brazil has been “the country of the future” for my entire lifetime, but they never quite seem to get there.
It wasnÂ’t just the Philly Fed. The Richmond Fed agrees that the economy really, really sucks.
Goldman Sachs CEO Blankfein lawyers up. Re the regulation problem: it wasnÂ’t that banks were under-regulated. ItÂ’s that the regulators werenÂ’t doing their jobs.
Alan Greenspan: The Euro is breaking down. Greenspan's credibility isn't what it used to be (what with him totally missing the call on the downturn and all), but it doesn't take a Maestro to see what's going down in Europe. Also, he says that gold is not in a bubble:
The major thrust in the demand for gold is not for jewelry. ItÂ’s not for anything other than an escape from what is perceived to be a fiat money system, paper money, that seems to be deteriorating.Couldn't have said it better myself.
IÂ’m a fan of the Baltic Dry Index (BDI) as an indicator of world economic health, and this article may mean that fears of a recession may be overblown. I'm one of the people who think we're already in a recession, so this BDI number seems like pretty good news to me.
VDH: “Surreal Logic”.
‘The public finally elected a bad Congress to stop me from doing more of what I wanted and which did not work’ is not a rationale for a second term.
Central Falls, RI: The canary in the coal mine.
Brea, California, population 38,000 (give or take). Pension burden? $2963 for every man, woman, and child.
Barack Obama, supply-sider.
This doesn't exactly come as shocking news to me: many bankers do not take their own investment advice. They rarely look out for their clients' interests in the way that they should, but you can count on them to look after their own interests. If you want to know what a banker, broker, or investment adviser really thinks, ask him how he invests his own money.
California is doomed to the tune of $1 Trillion (and counting!).
UPDATE 1: Slower business spending spells trouble.
Economists expect [the durable-goods report from the Commerce Department] to rise about 0.5% in July. Any disappointment would point to a loss of momentum even before the debt-ceiling debacle and stock-market selloff. There have been other cautionary signs, including a slowdown in global demand. Exports peaked in April and have since slid by about 3%.
UPDATE 2: New Jersey, senior member of the LOTB. The Soprano state gets downgraded. Hey, even Chris Christie can't turn a turd into a tea-rose overnight.
UPDATE 3: "Washington needs to wake up to the jobs crisis." Somehow I doubt anything is going to happen until after the 2012 elections. That's bad because the situation is going to deteriorate, but the political parties are just too far apart -- it's going to take another election, and a voter mandate one way or the other, to break up the logjam.
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GGE, you're still banned? WTF?
As for Brazil, I think the Simpsons episode in Brazil tells you all you need to know about that country.
"Look at all that pink and purple, our money is so gay"
Posted by: Ben at August 24, 2011 04:56 AM (wuv1c)
Post your error msg. here.
Ben, maybe you can contact ace and give him GGE's IP address.
Posted by: Tami at August 24, 2011 04:59 AM (X6akg)
Worse: the regulators don't know how to do their jobs, and even the ones who do aren't capable of doing them in the time they're given.
The banking/financial industry was, at one time (it may have changed with HIPAA and ObamaCare to the Health Care industry) the most regulated sector in the country. The minutia that was regulated was insane, and most of the regulators didn't even know all of the regulations (this from my dad, a former FDIC inspector).
The regulators who did know all of the regs, or at least all of the effective regs, still only had 1 - 2 weeks (depending on the size of the bank) to inspect each bank. 1 - 2 weeks might be fine for your local bank or even a moderate sized State bank, but for a bank the size of, say, Chase or BofA, there's just no way.
Add to that the over officiousness of all-too-many regulators, and you have a recipe for disaster.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 04:59 AM (8y9MW)
It's All About Growth
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 24, 2011 05:00 AM (9hSKh)
Did anyone catch Marco's speech last night? I had to leave about 15 min into it.
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 05:00 AM (5H6zj)
Did anyone catch Marco's speech last night? I had to leave about 15 min into it.
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 09:00 AM (5H6zj)
If you have a static IP address, resetting your modem doesn't help.
Yes, I saw it...He was great!
Posted by: Tami at August 24, 2011 05:02 AM (X6akg)
Pull quote: ‘The free enterprise system has lifted more people out of poverty than all the government anti-poverty programs combined’
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 05:03 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at August 24, 2011 05:03 AM (iRlbA)
From the sidebar, you have to see this review to "The Idiot's Guide to Getting Government Jobs." Looks like the work of a moronette!
Posted by: Insomniac at August 24, 2011 05:03 AM (DrWcr)
Not that it's doing any good, but I set off the email bomb every morning.
Posted by: GGE of the Banned at August 24, 2011 05:04 AM (w2dHZ)
The intro for him last night was very glowing. I think it made him a little nervous because he started a bit slowly.
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 05:04 AM (5H6zj)
After his speech, there was a Q & A with previously submitted questions.
Posted by: Tami at August 24, 2011 05:05 AM (X6akg)
When will Americans in general realize that it's Amateur Hour in the White House, so we can finally put an end to this SCOAMF?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:05 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Insomniac at August 24, 2011 05:06 AM (DrWcr)
GGE, send me an email with your ip address and the error message you receive, I'll send it to Ace(as I'm sure you already have).
However, most of the time the problem isn't with Ace passing it along, it's with Pixy getting it fixed. From what I understand anyway
silentcal1929 at yahoo
Posted by: Ben at August 24, 2011 05:06 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 09:00 AM (5H6zj)
Tried it, no good. We've even lost power and cable (I have a cable modem) since then and it's still not working. FML.
Posted by: GGE of the Banned at August 24, 2011 05:06 AM (w2dHZ)
Morning all!
First off, just to comment on the earlier Biden story: I loathe the VP almost as much as I loathe the SCOAMFOTUS. That's actually quite a testament to how much I despise the SCOAMFOTUS, considering I find Biden's comments RE: China's one child policy utterly immoral and disgusting,
(Has anyone else noticed that "SCOAMFOTUS," when read aloud, sounds a lot like "Scum of the US?")
Also - to be filed under "Mother Nature thinks Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure" - when a magnitude 5.9 earthquake strikes in the D.C. area and causes damage to an iconic national landmark: SIGN.
(link to RCP)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 05:07 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: GGE of the Banned at August 24, 2011 05:09 AM (w2dHZ)
Posted by: Stink at August 24, 2011 05:10 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 05:10 AM (5H6zj)
Q: "If your mother asks you to accept the VP spot what will you say?"
A: "I love being in the Senate."
Posted by: Tami-UNBAN GGE! at August 24, 2011 05:11 AM (X6akg)
Yeppers!
JapanÂ’s sovereign credit rating cut one step to Aa3 by MoodyÂ’s
At least Japan doesn't have the pull required to make Moody's President resign...
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 24, 2011 05:13 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 24, 2011 05:14 AM (niZvt)
Actually, they were doing the exact job they were hired to do: selectively enforce the laws so as to reward the state's friends (Blankfein et al) and punish its enemies (just about everyone else).
Posted by: Ken at August 24, 2011 05:14 AM (ZnE3s)
I thought that was implied.
Trouble in mind, I'm blue
But I won't be blue always
Sun's gonna shine in my backdoor some day.
Posted by: Monty at August 24, 2011 05:16 AM (/0a60)
Posted by: GGE of the Banned at August 24, 2011 05:16 AM (w2dHZ)
Japan was just downgraded be Moody's I think
How long before the President of Moody's is fired, I wonder?
Posted by: Wodeshed at August 24, 2011 05:19 AM (LEcV+)
Where's FEMA? That quake shook my beer enough to make it flat. I demand federal funds!
Posted by: Retread at August 24, 2011 05:19 AM (BO5ap)
Washington doesn't need to "wake up to the jobs crisis." Washington needs to wake up to the regulatory crisis (you know, the one they created and control). If they would do that, and actually fix the regulatory mess, the job crisis would, by-and-large, fix itself.
Posted by: Ken at August 24, 2011 09:14 AM (ZnE3s)
See, I happen to know that's not true. Oh, some higher ups in the Regulation Industry might have been some bad actors, but there is really only so much they can do. The average FDIC inspector, however, is very, very tough on banks.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:19 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Bubba your cellmate at August 24, 2011 05:22 AM (qZb8X)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 24, 2011 05:23 AM (niZvt)
O/T Animals at the DC Zoo sensed the earthquake before it occurred.
The cockroaches went to Martha's Vineyard.
Posted by: Wodeshed at August 24, 2011 05:24 AM (LEcV+)
Best thing for us, really.
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 24, 2011 09:14 AM (niZvt)
I saw this "Never Forget" image on Kathy Shaidle's Five Feet of Fury blog and have to agree with her headline: "OK, I admit it. I laughed."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 05:24 AM (4df7R)
Nah, that's just the title of the linked piece. Myself, I'd prefer for the government to just close up shop entirely until 2012. Every time they do something, they make the situation worse.
But this is not to say that regulation and law-making can't have a positive impact. The role of the government in a free market economy (or at least what it should be) is to prepare the ground so that private-sector business can thrive and expand. The government's role is to enforce contracts, provide market transparency to investors, punish fraud, and protect the natural rights of the citizens who deal in the marketplace. When the government steps outside those boundaries, they tend to do more harm than good.
Posted by: Monty at August 24, 2011 05:24 AM (/0a60)
"China is leading the world with regards to the environment."
Really...
http://tinyurl.com/yly2v5r
Posted by: Hedgehog at August 24, 2011 05:24 AM (Rn2kl)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 24, 2011 05:24 AM (2ctbv)
Okay. I thought that seemed odd.
I agree that some regulation is both good and necessary. I just wanted to make sure we didn't have some pod-person in place of our Monty today.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:25 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 24, 2011 05:25 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 24, 2011 05:27 AM (UOM48)
I think we should all just Fuck Off and Die. And there's NOTHING like Juliet Huddy in a CMF Little Five Alarm Fire Red Dress to set the tone for a Proper DOOM...
Damn it CoolCzech, you hit upon my one weekness - Juliet Huddy.
DOOM indeed!
Posted by: Barney Frank at August 24, 2011 05:27 AM (sbV1u)
You know, I don't even need them to go that far off the reservation. How about one of them taking on one SCOAMFOTUS's "intractable Republicans" comments with the aside, "Republicans responded that Democrats had complete control of Congress and the White House for two years."
See? He could even throw it on the Republicans, but at least the real information would be getting out.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:28 AM (8y9MW)
In a trend that continues to worsen, more Illinoisans found themselves unemployed in the month of July.
Illinois lost more jobs during the month of July than any other state in the nation, according to the most recent Bureau of Labor Statistics report. After losing 7,200 jobs in June, Illinois lost an additional 24,900 non-farm payroll jobs in July. The report also said IllinoisÂ’s unemployment rate climbed to 9.5 percent. This marks the third consecutive month of increases in the unemployment rate.
We're number one! We're number one! There's a chart with this story that shows right after that brain dead douche Gov. Quinn raised business and personal taxes the employment rate in Illinois took a nose dive. And on top of it the jagbag is passing a version of the Dream Act like California did
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 24, 2011 05:28 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 05:29 AM (ZDUD4)
Oh yeah, huddy is hot, She is working on Liz Taylors record for divorces. You know if you lived with that, you could only take her ball gag out so she could eat.
Huddy, Ball gag.
Hmmmm, the possibilities. The mind reels.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 05:30 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: deadrody at August 24, 2011 05:31 AM (Gc1ql)
When Borders went all 'splody, I mentioned to some friends around here that what it would require for Barnes & Nobel to survive is to become, essentially, a private library; sort of the NetFlix of books.
Today, my B&N email came and included an offer for a Color Nook for $224 with a B&N membership. One of the benefits of a B&N membership is the ability to "try any title free for 14 days." So, while they probably had the idea long ago (corporate inertia and all), it proves that someone else thinks my idea is a good one.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:31 AM (8y9MW)
So comforting to know our media betters are unflappable in the face of the earf acting stupidly.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 24, 2011 05:31 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 05:31 AM (ZDUD4)
Brazil has some nice shanty towns.
If they are the future, I might think about going long on corrugated steel.
Posted by: garrett at August 24, 2011 05:32 AM (BWN5R)
Here's one that is perfect for the HQ
http://tinyurl.com/yrj6lj
Posted by: chemjeff at August 24, 2011 05:32 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 09:29 AM (ZDUD4)
She got divorced...again?
Posted by: Tami at August 24, 2011 05:32 AM (X6akg)
Today, my B&N email came and included an offer for a Color Nook for $224 with a B&N membership. One of the benefits of a B&N membership is the ability to "try any title free for 14 days." So, while they probably had the idea long ago (corporate inertia and all), it proves that someone else thinks my idea is a good one.
Wow, I'd actually sign up for that.
Is this for existing "members" only? Or can anyone get in on it?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 05:33 AM (sbV1u)
Damn it CoolCzech, you hit upon my one weekness - Juliet Huddy.
DOOM indeed!
Posted by: Barney Frank at August 24, 2011 09:27 AM (sbV1u)
yes that would indeed constitute true sexual DOOM
Posted by: chemjeff at August 24, 2011 05:33 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 05:33 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 09:33 AM (ZDUD4)
If your second one fails, the institution isn't for you.
Posted by: Tami at August 24, 2011 05:34 AM (X6akg)
yes that would indeed constitute true sexual DOOM
Only for Barney. I forgot to take my socks off.
Like Barney.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 05:34 AM (sbV1u)
Hey, nice with the title! March winds gonna blow all my troubles away!
Not if you're a Marine with a gas problem.
Posted by: Wodeshed at August 24, 2011 05:35 AM (LEcV+)
If one protected class is prejudiced against another protected class, will Liberals make a sound?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:36 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 05:36 AM (ZDUD4)
Only for Barney. I forgot to take my socks off.
Like Barney.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 09:34 AM (sbV1u)
I prefer leaving them on.
Posted by: Client #9 at August 24, 2011 05:36 AM (v+QvA)
Presumably you have to purchase a nook and a B&N membership ($25.00/yr, last time I purchased one).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:37 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 24, 2011 05:37 AM (+hB3s)
And on top of it the jagbag is passing a version of the Dream Act like California did
Hey! How many times do I have to tell you teabaggers that Immigration is a national...oh, wait. Illinois you say?
Yeah forget that.
Posted by: Eric Holder at August 24, 2011 05:38 AM (BWN5R)
If your second one fails, the institution isn't for you.
Posted by: Tami at August 24, 2011 09:34 AM (X6akg)
I wouldn't go quite that far.
I'm on #3. It's because I spent 21 years in the military that the Nos. 1 and 2 left. They couldn't handle it.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 05:38 AM (sbV1u)
I'm not a goldbug, nor do I play one on TV, but my guess is either a minor correction (even with general growth, that's going to happen some), or the same phenomenon that has seen the DOW gain for no readily ascertainable reason.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:38 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 09:37 AM (8y9MW)
Thanks for the tip, I'm going to check it out.
Come for the DOOM, stay for the shopping bargains.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 05:38 AM (sbV1u)
>>>So, what's up with gold, three day decline?
Shanghai is hiking gold and silver margins
That always seems to push the price down.
Posted by: Ben at August 24, 2011 05:38 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 09:36 AM (ZDUD4)
Doesn't count....you remarried the same woman. I don't count that as a third marriage. And you seem to have done what Huddy appears incapable of doing....reassessing.
Posted by: Tami at August 24, 2011 05:39 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 05:40 AM (ZDUD4)
I wouldn't go quite that far.
I'm on #3. It's because I spent 21 years in the military that the Nos. 1 and 2 left. They couldn't handle it.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 09:38 AM (sbV1u)
Ok, ok...there are exceptions to every rule!
I'm just going to change the rule so I don't insult anyone anymore....
If the 3rd marriage fails, the institution isn't for you.
Posted by: Tami at August 24, 2011 05:41 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 05:41 AM (ZDUD4)
You know what I love most about the spam-bots? I know (because I check to see if there are any small projects worth bidding on) that much (most?) of this goes through RentACoder.com, and I find it hilarious that one of the requirements for the spam message isn't "Fluent American English."
It's like a written version of Indian Tech Support.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:42 AM (8y9MW)
She made you buy her a new ring? Ouch. That's just salt in the wound, isn't it?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:43 AM (8y9MW)
If the 3rd marriage fails, the institution isn't for you.
Posted by: Tami at August 24, 2011 09:41 AM (X6akg
OK, that made me laugh.
But you're also right about the ability to reassess. If you're so full of yourself that you can't look in the mirror honestly, then you'll keep screwing up.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 05:43 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Wodeshed at August 24, 2011 09:24 AM (LEcV+)
FIFY
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 24, 2011 05:44 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 09:43 AM (sbV1u)
Paging Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama, please pick up the blue courtesy phone...
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 05:44 AM (4df7R)
I lik your massage and find yr blog infomative. Plese sends me yr newslettr
Posted by: Borders eBook at August 24, 2011 05:45 AM (2ctbv)
Paging Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama, please pick up the blue courtesy phone...
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 09:44 AM (4df7R)
Valerie? Find out who's on that phone. Then yank it out of the wall.
Can't a guy eat a pork chop?
Posted by: His Most Serene Highness Barack Obama the First at August 24, 2011 05:47 AM (sbV1u)
Well, I've never been divorced, but my wife has.
Does that make us a combined 2 for 3?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:47 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 05:47 AM (ZDUD4)
I try looking in my mirror but all I see is my dog crapping in the front yard..
Posted by: Joe "Gabby" Biden at August 24, 2011 05:47 AM (2ctbv)
I'll give one possible argument, asx we've been following the Japanese model in dealing with the credit crisis and later problems:
Nikkei Dec 1989: 39,500
Nikkei Aug 2011: 8,640
22 years, -78% return
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 24, 2011 05:47 AM (F5tJy)
I'm 0 for 0
Posted by: Ben at August 24, 2011 09:46 AM (wuv1c)
Well, statistically you make 100% of the shots you don't take.
So you go that goin' for ya.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 05:48 AM (sbV1u)
It is ridiculous. And purposefully opaque. There is no way to know if one has done everything correctly until that cease-and-desist letter arrives from the Department of Rectal Thermometer Storage Control.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 24, 2011 05:49 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Joe "Gabby" Biden at August 24, 2011 09:47 AM (2ctbv)
I *almost* blew hot coffee through my nose.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 24, 2011 05:49 AM (UOM48)
I'm 0 for 0
Posted by: Ben at August 24, 2011 09:46 AM (wuv1c)
Smart man learns from his own mistakes.
A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
Posted by: garrett at August 24, 2011 05:49 AM (BWN5R)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 24, 2011 09:49 AM (LH6ir)
That's exactly why I decided not to open my own business now.
When I see 5 years of stability, then I'll jump.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 05:50 AM (sbV1u)
This.
This is exhibit 1,1234,532 in the case that more regulation is good for big business. Does anyone think that, say, Merck (if they decided to get into the packaged foods business) would have any real trouble clearing the regulatory hurdles? They have a veritable army of lawyers who wade through that stuff every day.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:51 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 24, 2011 05:51 AM (UOM48)
Nikkei Dec 1989: 39,500
Nikkei Aug 2011: 8,640
22 years, -78% return
I miss the days of Japanese prosperity.
Those were the salad days for the guitar market..
Posted by: garrett at August 24, 2011 05:51 AM (BWN5R)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:52 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 05:52 AM (ZDUD4)
I feel like I'm the only moron who hasn't been divorced, or married for that matter.
I'm 0 for 0
Posted by: Ben at August 24, 2011 09:46 AM (wuv1c)
You're not alone, Ben. I've never been married, and thus never divorced. It just ain't easy to find a guy who's not a wacko liberal jagoff up here in New England.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 05:52 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 24, 2011 09:49 AM (LH6ir)
Don't forget the lemonade stands they keep shutting down. We're lucky, though. Without such dedicated regulators, we'd all be dead. Those little girls and their lemonade stands are known to have taken societies down. It was a little Roman girl with her lemonade stand outside of the gates that let the Visigoths in (as she had to open the gates to get some more paper cups). Alaric's men were very thirsty, and the greedy little capitalist chick was more worried about making some coin off the barbarians than protecting her beloved Rome.
That's what happens without proper regulations and enforcement.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 24, 2011 05:53 AM (F5tJy)
A major telecommunications company that rhymes with horizon has over 100 lawyers dedicated to circumventing the tax code. We have Turbotax©
Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 24, 2011 05:53 AM (2ctbv)
My wife (and Sister-in-Law, actually) both had to come to Texas to find suitable men.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:54 AM (8y9MW)
Myself, I'd prefer for the government to just close up shop entirely until 2012. Every time they do something, they make the situation worse.
Will Rogers said it best, the country is safe, Congress is in recess!
Doom doom doom doom. Doom doom doom doom. Have I mentioned I am now actively rooting for Yellowstone to blow?
Also, is it just me or does VDH sound increasingly despondent? I ask because one of the things I've always most admired about his is his ability to remain positive while still making clear eyed analysis of our situation. If he's gone all doomy, well, yeah, that's bad.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 24, 2011 05:54 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 24, 2011 09:51 AM (UOM4
Probably talking about them damn redneck Chinamen.
Posted by: Bob Beckel at August 24, 2011 05:55 AM (4df7R)
More to the point, how much is the membership? That may be going on my Christmas list...
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at August 24, 2011 05:55 AM (GBXon)
Forget Verizon. BlueCross BlueShield of Texas had (when I worked there) around 250 lawyers on staff.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:55 AM (8y9MW)
They have a veritable army of lawyers who wade through that stuff every day.
That's exactly right, and you could see in Barky's "explanation" to those farmers the other day that he's clueless about any of that shit.
He loves him some corporate America, precisely because there are fewer people to go after. Few targets equals more easily controlled.
And more easily shaken down for campaign cash.
Speaking of which....I finally waded through all that Ulsterman posts mentioned last night. Does that ring true to anyone? I thought it was all BS until I got to the part about JEF sitting upstairs watching ESPN in shorts, flip flops and a t-shirt. Because that image sings reality to me.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 05:55 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 05:56 AM (ZDUD4)
Well, he does live in California. Optimism can only live just so long there.
More to the point, how much is the membership? That may be going on my Christmas list...
Last time I bought one (2 or 3 years ago) it was $25/yr
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 05:56 AM (8y9MW)
The Membership fee is currently $25 for one year. When you enroll in Membership your one year term begins on the date of purchase.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 24, 2011 05:57 AM (2ctbv)
Posted by: alexthechick at August 24, 2011 09:54 AM (VtjlW)
I think he's had it. And unfortunately I think he's going to ride that farm of his all the way into the ground and get nothing in the end.
He's one of the good guys. I really want it to turn out well for him. But if you've driven through the Central Valley lately, it's like driving through a VDH post. It's ugly.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 05:57 AM (sbV1u)
The gold market is a scam driven up by moronic speculation which only works in the land of fairy tales where everyone is honorable and does what here supposed to in the end.
Posted by: Bill at August 24, 2011 05:57 AM (IlAiJ)
Old, old legal joke - the true name for the tax code is The Lawyer Full Employment Act Of [insert year here].
Posted by: alexthechick at August 24, 2011 05:57 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 09:54 AM (8y9MW)
If I could afford to move right now (and if I could survive the heat without bursting into flames), I'd be onboard for that myself.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 05:57 AM (4df7R)
You're not alone, Ben. I've never been married, and thus never divorced. It just ain't easy to find a guy who's not a wacko liberal jagoff up here in New England.
True, but they're more available in the Berkshires.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 05:59 AM (sbV1u)
First off, a great many people keep their very own gold, or have a local storehouse keep it. That makes it a lot easier to take possession when/if the SHTF.
Second, if it's only the currency that fails, gold will be worth a great deal- it will become defacto currency PDQ. It's only if the government itself falls that gold is no longer worth much; even then gold will be the first currency (if History is anything to go by) for whatever new government arises.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 06:00 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Instant Gator at August 24, 2011 06:00 AM (6N9HR)
D'oh and I went through a Cat 1 years ago that snuck up on the Virgin Islands. Our hotel was okay (the swimming pool disappeared), but we ended up letting strangers share our room, who had checked out not knowing the airport had closed. We played Trivial Pursuit for hours, and every time you missed a question you had to do a shot of 180 (?) proof rum.
The looting in Charlotte Amalie was a nice touch, too.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 24, 2011 06:01 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: USA at August 24, 2011 06:01 AM (6Cjut)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 06:02 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Paul Krugman at August 24, 2011 06:04 AM (mreN7)
Posted by: Jean at August 24, 2011 06:04 AM (WkuV6)
Everyone is waiting for QE3 from the Jackson hole meetings
Swear to Cthulhu, every time I see that I think they're building another cruise ship.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 24, 2011 06:05 AM (VtjlW)
Come on, be real. Bursting in flames only occurs for about 4 months out of the year (June, July, August, September). The other 6 you reference, you're just smoldering.
We have a joke, my friends and I:
Everyone else has 4 seasons. Texas has 7.
Fall
Winter (and we do, too, have winter. This year it was on a Tuesday)
Spring.
Early Summer
Summer
High Summer
Still Summer (you can tell this part of the year, because people are everywhere saying, "It's still summer!" I'm not sure why they're so enthused, though).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 06:05 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 06:07 AM (8y9MW)
If the river was whiskey, and I was a divin', baby...
Posted by: flashbazzbo, s.e. at August 24, 2011 06:07 AM (i0rVe)
I feel like I'm the only moron who hasn't been divorced, or married for that matter.
I'm 0 for 0
I'm right there with ya Ben
Posted by: chemjeff at August 24, 2011 06:08 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: USA at August 24, 2011 06:08 AM (6Cjut)
(we could use the stimulutive affects of a good natural disaster)
Forget the boarding up. We could use a few broken windows in this economy!
Posted by: Gaffin Joe, now wearing a helmet! at August 24, 2011 06:09 AM (LEcV+)
They are. It's called the Titanic. And this time there's 300 million passengers! Wheeeeeeeeee
Posted by: chemjeff at August 24, 2011 06:09 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 24, 2011 06:09 AM (niZvt)
http://tinyurl.com/3ftcq86
Posted by: Hedgehog at August 24, 2011 06:10 AM (Rn2kl)
Fall
Winter (and we do, too, have winter. This year it was on a Tuesday)
Spring.
Early Summer
Summer
High Summer
Still Summer (you can tell this part of the year, because people are everywhere saying, "It's still summer!" I'm not sure why they're so enthused, though).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 10:05 AM (8y9MW)
Okay, that made me laugh out loud.
In NH, I tend to tell people we have four seasons:
Mud season
Bug season
Hunting season
Winter
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 06:11 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Bill at August 24, 2011 06:11 AM (IlAiJ)
YMMV.
I swear, if I hear ONE more talking head on TV casually say that China is handling the economy better than America Because It Is a Communist-Run Totalitarian Central Planning Regime
I haven't even heard one talking head say that. Is that local market, or the cables? There's a reason I don't subscribe to those.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 06:11 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 06:11 AM (ZDUD4)
Reads like wish-casting to me.
People have gotten to know Palin and they've rejected her. A video added onto her book, bus tour, and movie is not going to change that.
The things that some of us like about Palin on a personal level, turn many people off.
And, for many of us who loved her as a VP choice who might be qualified to be President someday, the things she's done (or not done) since 2008 have not added to her readiness to be President now.
I would vote for Bachmann or Romney before I'd vote for Palin at this point. I don't think the author has gauged her support amongst Republicans well at all and he's delusional if he thinks she'd win the general.
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 06:11 AM (5H6zj)
And to Marco Rubio: Nice catch, kid.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 24, 2011 06:12 AM (4nfy2)
This x1000. Whenever I hear or read or see someone saying the Chinese are doing awesomely, I want to scream and tear my hair. It's like saying the NoKo's are a quiet, peaceful people because we never hear about them rioting. Of course they don't riot -- they're either too hungry, too cowed by oppression, too incarcerated, or too dead!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 06:13 AM (4df7R)
...until a certain point, when they turn into my father.
Every time I see evidence of the latter in Mr Y-not, I strap electrodes to his nads.
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 06:14 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 24, 2011 06:14 AM (4nfy2)
Posted by: In Exile at August 24, 2011 06:15 AM (HGm3l)
This x1000. Whenever I hear or read or see someone saying the Chinese are doing awesomely, I want to scream and tear my hair. It's like saying the NoKo's are a quiet, peaceful people because we never hear about them rioting. Of course they don't riot -- they're either too hungry, too cowed by oppression, too incarcerated, or too dead!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit
You people should emulate me! I'm having a wonderful trip so far, great view, no lines and it was free!
Posted by: jumper passing the 37th floor of the Empire State building at August 24, 2011 06:15 AM (6rX0K)
Posted by: USA at August 24, 2011 06:15 AM (6Cjut)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit
You people should emulate me! I'm having a wonderful trip so far, great scenery, no real opposition and vitctory is juuuuuust around the corner. Oh, and the weather's fine too.
Posted by: Napolean, heading east in 1813 at August 24, 2011 06:17 AM (6rX0K)
Posted by: In Exile at August 24, 2011 06:17 AM (HGm3l)
What are you, new here?
Sarah Palin is the second coming of Ronald Reagan, only with a really nice rack and a fine backside. Any criticism of her is tantamount to treason, and will not be tolerated.
I suggest you adjust your attitude young lady, before you are bounced out of here on your ass.
Posted by: Membership Committee of the Purity League at August 24, 2011 06:18 AM (LH6ir)
Every time I see evidence of the latter in Mr Y-not, I strap electrodes to his nads.
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 10:14 AM (5H6zj)
40W or 100W? I might be in the market for a new toy.
Posted by: Bwaney Fwank at August 24, 2011 06:18 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit
You people should emulate me! I'm having a wonderful trip so far; decent food, comfortable berths and we're making record time.
Posted by: Papist bograt in steerage, RMS Titanic at August 24, 2011 06:18 AM (6rX0K)
Posted by: Dang at August 24, 2011 06:18 AM (TXKVh)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 24, 2011 06:19 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Jean at August 24, 2011 10:05 AM (WkuV6)
Oh, there are a lot more stories about that storm.
Bottom line, a Cat 1 is pretty bad. I can't even imagine a 2, 3 or 4. A 2 would put our home under water just from the surge (and we've a raised foundation of about 8-10 feet).
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 24, 2011 06:19 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Membership Committee of the Purity League at August 24, 2011 10:18 AM (LH6ir)
Yeah, that's really funny dildo. Can we try to get through the doom thread without you turning it into a flame war please?
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:20 AM (6rX0K)
Posted by: In Exile at August 24, 2011 10:15 AM (HGm3l)
It's probably more in New York City.
Oh, wait, is there a difference? Because the New York Times seems to think that everything is better in China.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 24, 2011 06:20 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 24, 2011 06:20 AM (niZvt)
How's this?
You are a humorless turd. Go fuck yourself.
Better?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 24, 2011 06:21 AM (LH6ir)
Honestly, the best thing Palin could do for the country is announce her support for Perry, and then campaign for him the same way she did for Sen. McPain.
Posted by: CoolCzech
Second this. But I'd say turn her loose and let her fire up the base. McPains' creatures botched their handling of her.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:21 AM (6rX0K)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 24, 2011 06:21 AM (niZvt)
Car battery.
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 10:20 AM (5H6zj)
Well then I suppose my Prius just acquired a new use!
Thank you!
Posted by: Bwaney Fwank at August 24, 2011 06:22 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: In Exile at August 24, 2011 06:22 AM (HGm3l)
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 06:23 AM (5H6zj)
Yup! Works for me.
She is a tremendous asset -- but only on the outside. As part of the establishment she will fail.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 24, 2011 06:23 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 24, 2011 06:24 AM (0N5pL)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative))
Yeah, I don't want to see yet another thread ruined with flame wars and hatred for Palin. That makes me humorless. You're the font of funny. Keep telling yourself that.
and so, back to the thread.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:24 AM (6rX0K)
From the WaPo:
The first warnings of the earthquake may have occurred at the National Zoo, where officials said some animals seemed to feel it coming before people did. The red ruffed lemurs began “alarm calling” a full 15 minutes before the quake hit, zoo spokeswoman Pamela Baker-Masson said. In the Great Ape House, Iris, an orangutan, let out a guttural holler 10 seconds before keepers felt the quake. The flamingos huddled together in the water seconds before people felt the rumbling. The rheas got excited. And the hooded mergansers — a kind of duck — dashed for the safety of the water.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 24, 2011 06:24 AM (UOM48)
She is a tremendous asset -- but only on the outside. As part of the establishment she will fail.
Concur with that.
I understand why's she's keeping everyone guessing. This far out from November 2012 her value is determined by uncertainty.
But I really wish she'd throw all in with someone soon.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 06:25 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: lu at August 24, 2011 06:26 AM (pLTLS)
Honestly, though, anyone who doesn't recognize (LH6ir) by now kind of deserves what they get if they respond.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 06:26 AM (8y9MW)
I didn't realize that you are the arbiter of good taste, humor and decorum on this blog. Congratulations on your elevation to this vaunted position. My apologies if I have offended you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 24, 2011 06:27 AM (LH6ir)
Honestly, though, anyone who doesn't recognize (LH6ir) by now kind of deserves what they get if they respond.
Same with curious' hash.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 06:27 AM (sbV1u)
She is a tremendous asset -- but only on the outside. As part of the establishment she will fail.
Concur with that.
I understand why's she's keeping everyone guessing. This far out from November 2012 her value is determined by uncertainty.
But I really wish she'd throw all in with someone soon.
Posted by: Sean Bannion
Question: Are we eager for her to commit one way or another because we really believe that making a decision now is in the best interest of the party and country, or is our inclination based at least partly on wanting the uncertainty to be over?
I ask this because I sure as Hell want it over one way or another, preferable behind Perry.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:29 AM (326rv)
Speaking of, I wonder why it hasn't shown itself today.
Also: The wife and I are thinking of a new pet. We want a ferret, but that's not happening with two small (4 & 2) children. We've already got a 10 year old mutt (actually, he may be 12 now... that makes me sad) who doesn't really like other dogs.
So, which would be better: a cat (the dog is terrified of cats) or a puppy (and hope that he's mellowed with age)?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 06:30 AM (8y9MW)
One of each. I speak from 30 years of trial and error.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 24, 2011 06:31 AM (+KHIt)
Question: Are we eager for her to commit one way or another because we really believe that making a decision now is in the best interest of the party and country, or is our inclination based at least partly on wanting the uncertainty to be over?
I am more interested in the health of the party now, because I think the health of the party will determine the health of the country in 2012.
So the sooner you can build a groundswell behind one candidate, the better off we'll be. She's going to move a lot of votes and she's an effective voice for conservatism writ large. I'm OK with those votes being moved to Perry, but either way, she needs to start moving votes.
Maybe she has some grand master plan already and I can't see it because I am a moron.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 06:32 AM (sbV1u)
For me, it's a little of column 'A' and a little of column 'B'.
Right now, she takes up a lot of oxygen (and I have to spend time swatting conservative trolls when I'd rather swat liberal ones), so I think her making up her mind would clear things away so that our actual candidates could do some things.
And, dang it, I just want to know.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 06:32 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 06:32 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: In Exile at August 24, 2011 06:33 AM (HGm3l)
It's been mentioned, but not discussed at length (unless it was in an ONT).
Honestly, though, what can you say? S&P Caved to the Chicago Mob and SCOAMFOTUS.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 06:33 AM (8y9MW)
So, which would be better: a cat (the dog is terrified of cats) or a puppy (and hope that he's mellowed with age)?
I can't imagine not growing up with dogs. Get the pup, and do it for the CHEELDRANS.
But I am a biased dog person. But for good reason. Just check out the story in the sidebar about the SEAL, that pretty much sums up why I'm a dog person.
Posted by: yinzer at August 24, 2011 06:34 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 10:30 AM (8y9MW)
I doubt your dog would have a problem with a puppy. His nose might get out of joint because of the attention the puppy gets but I don't think he'd 'not get along' with a puppy.
Posted by: Tami at August 24, 2011 06:34 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 06:34 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 10:30 AM (8y9MW)
I have the exact same issue. I'd opt for the puppy since I can't see an older dog ripping a puppy to shreds. He'd be cranky with the pup, but would move on. I also think the older dog would help socialize the puppy.
Besides, if he's terrified of cats, it's not really fair to stress him out in his golden years.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 06:34 AM (sbV1u)
I didn't realize that you are the arbiter of good taste, humor and decorum on this blog. Congratulations on your elevation to this vaunted position. My apologies if I have offended you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Try reading my post again. I was hoping that we didn't have yet another palin flame thread break out. We manage to get them without effort. So why concoct one? No one said anything about the bullshit you listed.
If you just want to fling shit, try commenting on the animals at the national zoo.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:34 AM (326rv)
Posted by: In Exile at August 24, 2011 06:36 AM (HGm3l)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 24, 2011 06:37 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 10:29 AM (326rv)
Honestly? I don't know. Whatever your feelings about Palin, she draws a lot of media attention. In a way, the uncertainty is a boon for the other candidates. The "will she/won't she" whisper campaign uses up a lot of resources that would otherwise be turned full throttle on Perry, Romney, and Bachmann.
I want her to decide one way or the other by the end of October at the latest. But I don't know if I want her to back another candidate right off the bat, again because the media spotlight would follow her, and thus follow her "chosen" candidate.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 06:37 AM (4df7R)
If you just want to fling shit, try commenting on the animals at the national zoo.
Which one? The one on Connecticut? Or the one at 1600 Pennsylvania?
Was that racist?
I denounce myself.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 06:38 AM (sbV1u)
For me, it's a little of column 'A' and a little of column 'B'.
Right now, she takes up a lot of oxygen (and I have to spend time swatting conservative trolls when I'd rather swat liberal ones), so I think her making up her mind would clear things away so that our actual candidates could do some things.
And, dang it, I just want to know.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)
Ditto on your dang it. I'm trying to figure out whether this much diversity this far out helps us or hurts us. If it can be proven that it hurts, then I readily agree that she should gear down or run (and I prefer that she backs Perry).
She doesn't seem to be wrecking polling, and no one seems to be hurt (yet) by association), so that leaves funding. Is she depriving anyone of funding? My guess is yes, to some extent.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:38 AM (6rX0K)
If you just want to fling shit, try commenting on the animals at the national zoo.
Which one? The one on Connecticut? Or the one at 1600 Pennsylvania?
Was that racist?
I denounce myself.
Posted by: Sean Bannion
Yes.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:38 AM (326rv)
Posted by: Jean at August 24, 2011 10:15 AM (WkuV6)
But, on the bright side, you'll be able to pick up a whole ghost city for just 2 ounces of gold.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 24, 2011 06:39 AM (F5tJy)
I don't know if I want her to back another candidate right off the bat, again because the media spotlight would follow her, and thus follow her "chosen" candidate.
Yes, but then all that "vetting" will be done now and not one week before the general. The MFM will have run themselves out of ammo.
I still say the sooner the better.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 06:40 AM (sbV1u)
Both for me. Probably the former more than the latter.
One, I am tired of having to deal with the Palin factor on every thread about polls or politics. It's annoying to have people chime in with "what about Palin?" on polls of presidential candidates. It turns into a huge waste of time to talk about the hypothetical candidate and her hypothetical support. And, it's irritating to read the criticisms of ace (or whoever) if he posts one too many column about a declared candidate or if he fails to post something acknowledging her latest tweet.
But I also think it's better for the GOP cause for the big players (and she's really the last one at this point) to be hanging on the sidelines teasing about a run. It distracts the voters, it makes folks delay in committing to actual candidates, and it pulls air time away from the declared candidates. Yes, the voting is months away, but picking a candidate should be like buying a car, a relatively long process involving a test drive. Until a politician is "candidate mode" they really don't have to start to lock into a solid position.
Look at Romney. Who would predict he'd double-down on Masscare? Well some did, but many didn't. Many of us assumed that when he became a candidate he'd "refine" his position and move away from govt involvement in health care. I read many columns wherein people were interpreting Romney's past statements on Masscare as leaving wiggle room for him to back away from it. But he became a candidate and doubled down on it -- many times. That's when I knew I had to abandon him as anything but a stop-gap candidate.
Perry is going through this process now. Even though he's a very known quantity, having been in office for so long, he is now refining his positions on things. If he moves too far away from what I think he is (based on his record), I may have to reconsider supporting him.
So I really disagree with people who champion Palin as a known quantity. She's not. She was a half-term governor of a remote state and, more importantly, she's never run for President. I may think I know what her core values are, but I have no idea what he platform would be. (Not that it would matter much for me because I think she's simply not prepared to be President right now.)
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 06:40 AM (5H6zj)
But I'd say turn her loose and let her fire up the base. McPains' creatures botched their handling of her.
Yeah, botched. She could have been such an asset, otherwise.
Wake up. She's a celebrity first and she serves herself and mammon above all else.
Want to stop the flames? Give it up.
Posted by: garrett at August 24, 2011 06:41 AM (BWN5R)
Posted by: polynikes at August 24, 2011 06:41 AM (6N9HR)
It's growing by 3 million per minute.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 24, 2011 10:32 AM (9hSKh)
The Federal Reserve Bureau of Standards has just dealt with this problem by inflating the "minute" to be 180 seconds. Now, the national debt is only growing at 1 million per minute (or, as the Indonesian Imbecile would say, "1 million seconds and minutes").
Problem solved. You should be thanking them.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 24, 2011 06:43 AM (F5tJy)
Posted by: Jean at August 24, 2011 06:43 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 24, 2011 06:43 AM (eOXTH)
Yes, I read dailykos. If you forget they are serious it's funnier than The Onion.
Posted by: Tesla at August 24, 2011 06:43 AM (DPU1J)
Posted by: polynikes
Sure I did. I responded to someone's comment by invoking palin hatred and the purity slur. I started it. Okay.
And in other news, the Sun is the Moon.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:44 AM (326rv)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 24, 2011 06:44 AM (wo3+J)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 24, 2011 06:44 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Tesla at August 24, 2011 10:43 AM (DPU1J)
You poor thing. Even forgetting their utter sincerity, doesn't the level of stupidity hurt?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 06:45 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 24, 2011 06:45 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Jean at August 24, 2011 10:43 AM (WkuV6)
I have a standing bid in. I'm going to use mine for palestinians.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 24, 2011 06:45 AM (F5tJy)
¿Qué? How, pray-tell, are they doing that?
They don't seriously believe the Rosie O + Michael Moore comments there were going up here yesterday, do they?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 06:46 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 06:46 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 24, 2011 06:47 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 24, 2011 06:47 AM (eOXTH)
Dildo started it with #164, polynikes, using a sock.
Jesus. It was an obvious joke. About purity. At the HQ.
You don't need your decoder ring to figure that out.
Posted by: garrett at August 24, 2011 06:48 AM (BWN5R)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet
And so is a live fire training exercise. Especially when you're the fire-ee.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:48 AM (326rv)
Some scientician at dailykos is proving yesterday's quake was man made.
Let me guess. Underground nuclear testing? Too much frakking in the Dakotas? No one pushed the button in the underground bunker because Desmond wasn't around and Locke was busy?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 06:48 AM (4df7R)
Blue Hen,
I guess both. I want it to be over and I'm worried(a little bit) that the longer the primary drags on, the more damaged our candidates will get.
Then again, it could have the exact opposite effect. A long drawn out primary could result in every skeleton being outed so that when the chosen candidate starts the general election there will be no surprises.
As for Palin, I'm simply done talking about her. I like her, but not as a political candidate anymore. Mainly for many of the reasons ace has mentions: Quitting as Governer and the fact that she polls terribly with every constituency that is needed to win a general election.
If she gets in the race, then fine, she is a legitimate topic of discussion, however until she does I don't think it helps anyone to bring her up in relation to the primaries. It always devolves into flame wars between Palin Loyalists and People who either don't like Palin at all or People who like Palin but have moved on for the reasons mentioned above.
In the current field, I think only Romney and Perry have a chance to win the generals.
I know Obama is unpopular and there is little to no chance that the economy recovers in 2012, but he shouldn't be underestimated. If there is one thing he is good at it is campaigning. We saw that in 2008. He may be a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at all else, but his campaign machine was essentially a good Hollywood production.
Given the current makeup of the race, I'm backing Perry. However as I've said before. I will vote for the Republican candidate in 2012 regardless of whether it's Perry, Romney or even Ron Paul.
Posted by: Ben at August 24, 2011 06:48 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: yinzer at August 24, 2011 06:48 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 24, 2011 10:44 AM (eOXTH)
Phoenixgirl, with your permission I will start using scientologist. It rhymes with phrenologist. And phrenology is my most favorite science.
Posted by: Tesla at August 24, 2011 06:48 AM (DPU1J)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 06:49 AM (ZDUD4)
Yes, I read dailykos. If you forget they are serious it's funnier than The Onion.
Is it because of fracking? Or is it because there isn't enough oil to lubricate the tectonic plates? Inquiring minds want to know!
And you read DailyKos? Hope you have a Haz-Mat suit at the ready.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 24, 2011 06:49 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: polynikes at August 24, 2011 06:50 AM (6N9HR)
Given the current makeup of the race, I'm backing Perry. However as I've said before. I will vote for the Republican candidate in 2012 regardless of whether it's Perry, Romney or even Ron Paul.
Posted by: Ben
My concern right now is fundraising. Does anyone have any decent numbers on who is raising what? That's usually a leading indicator.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:50 AM (326rv)
It's growing by 3 million per minute.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 24, 2011 10:32 AM (9hSKh)
wow. just wow.
what I would do if I could just hijack the Treasury's computers for just 20 seconds...
Posted by: chemjeff at August 24, 2011 06:50 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 10:49 AM (ZDUD4)
I must admit that the term scientician was stolen from The Simpsons.
Posted by: Tesla at August 24, 2011 06:51 AM (DPU1J)
I like "scientician" as a term to describe people with scientific credentials who see their raison d'etre to be propping up the Big Government policies of the Progressives. Sort of like a "cosmetician," they put lipstick on the pig of Democrat programs.
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 06:51 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 10:49 AM (ZDUD4)
A professional pseudo-scientist.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 24, 2011 06:51 AM (F5tJy)
I predicted my enthusiasm would wane -- especially if she remained prominent on the national scene. That's because some of the slime, no matter who you are, ends up sticking if you stay close to the 'big boys'.
My enthusiasm for Palin has indeed waned for those reasons. I like Perry, because he's experienced (far more than Palin) and, again, hasn't had time to actually spend much time in the national level club.
I'm not sure if that makes me a traitor or not, and I really don't care much.
So, as far as Palin goes, I do like her, but resist I much.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 24, 2011 06:52 AM (+KHIt)
>>>My concern right now is fundraising. Does anyone have any decent numbers on who is raising what? That's usually a leading indicator.
Nope, but if I had to guess Romney is number one, Perry is number two and Paul is number three.
Ron Paul is always extremely successful with money bombs. He has a lot of appeal to people who normally eschew politics because they hate the two parties.
I think he just raised 6.25 million in one day last week
I don't think it matters two much. Whoever is the Republican candidate should have a fairly easy time of raising funds.
Posted by: Ben at August 24, 2011 06:52 AM (wuv1c)
Yeah. That we need to read on every fucking thread every time Palin is mentioned, as by Y-Not first even though she's not a supporter (without being a hater). So funny and original just like the COD stuff a year later.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 24, 2011 06:52 AM (wo3+J)
Scientician? WTF is a scientician? We have science, and we have scientists. Never heard of a scientician.
It's what you get when you take someone who took one course in Natural Science in college, got a C-, and then give them a blog.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 06:53 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Insomniac at August 24, 2011 06:53 AM (SKObg)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 06:53 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: polynikes
Yeah, that makes even more sense. People above say they don't want to discuss Palin because of what happens. Are they hall monitors too? Or are they just right in that it usually devolves into shit like this? Whatever.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:53 AM (326rv)
what I would do if I could just hijack the Treasury's computers for just 20 seconds...
Ever see Office Space?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 24, 2011 06:54 AM (9hSKh)
Oh, and choose well my early primary state friends, the next prez is in for a big job.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 24, 2011 06:54 AM (4nfy2)
Posted by: Tesla at August 24, 2011 06:54 AM (DPU1J)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 10:53 AM (ZDUD4)
It is serious. They aren't "scientists".
If the OED can claim that "eh" is an actual word, then "scientician" certainly is, too.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 24, 2011 06:55 AM (F5tJy)
mrp brought up Palin first with a link to a column by someone who thinks Palin can (will?) win the primary and general. (Not that I think you were criticizing me... were you?)
Anyway, I have been bad about thread-jacking with Perry links the past few days. I need to work on not doing that, but the morning open threads go so cold so fast.
Posted by: Y-not at August 24, 2011 06:55 AM (5H6zj)
The most celebrated scientician of this day and age is al gore. I hope this bring some light to the subject.
Christ. Time to set up the Val U Rite drip.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 24, 2011 06:58 AM (VtjlW)
And as I hadn't read all of the thread, yours was the first major Palin link comment I read, so I thought dildo was playing on it.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 24, 2011 06:58 AM (wo3+J)
Oh, and choose well my early primary state friends, the next prez is in for a big job.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes
Can we use Paul as the baseline? As in, if he can poll this well (nationally) then any of or leaders are poised to crush JEF? Or are the polling models being used too restrictive to suggest this?
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 06:58 AM (6rX0K)
Or, by staying aloof, she is preventing the MBM from focusing its full, malevolent attention on the others running. I don't think that Palin is doing damage -- yet.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 24, 2011 06:58 AM (LH6ir)
If the OED can claim that "eh" is an actual word, then "scientician" certainly is, too.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 24, 2011 10:55 AM (F5tJy)
Is there debate about the veracity of "eh" being a word? I've never thought otherwise, to be honest. I lump it in with other onomatopoeia interjections like "huh" and "um."
...Oh man, I must be bored. Someone save me from the paperwork sitting in front of me that I desperately don't want to deal with. *headdesk*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 06:59 AM (4df7R)
See that? And now everyone calls you 'dildo.'
Happy now?
That's what you get for disrespecting The Peanuts.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 24, 2011 07:00 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at August 24, 2011 07:00 AM (nRTou)
Posted by: polynikes at August 24, 2011 07:00 AM (6N9HR)
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 24, 2011 10:59 AM (O6l2
Give the Japanese a couple of months (and a bribe of some tentacle hentai), and they'll be able to hook you up.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 07:00 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 10:59 AM (4df7R)
Okay, here's what you're going to need.
A cross-cut shredder
1 Large, metal garbage can (an old metal oil-drum works as well)
Some gasoline (probably not much)
Matches
Get all that together, and then we'll go on with the instructions.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 07:01 AM (8y9MW)
NYT Sycophant Tom Friedman: Obama Should Play More Golf Because HeÂ’s Like Tiger WoodsÂ…
He doesn't play enough golf already? Hell, I think the only nation leader who plays more golf than Obama is Kim Jong Ill.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 24, 2011 07:01 AM (9hSKh)
Can we use Paul as the baseline? As in, if he can poll this well (nationally) then any of or leaders are poised to crush JEF? Or are the polling models being used too restrictive to suggest this?
Going that route we are, in essence, saying a mental patient can beat JEF.
That's not where the smart money will be. This guy is going to pull the race card like it's 1965 in Selma. They've already started.
The good news is the most vocal purveyors of said race card are demonstrably insane.
The bad news is the squishiest of the squishes will fall for it and either vote for JEF or stay home.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 24, 2011 07:02 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 07:03 AM (ZDUD4)
I feel like I'm the only moron who hasn't been divorced, or married for that matter.
I'm 0 for 0
I'm right there with ya Ben
Posted by: chemjeff at August 24, 2011 10:08 AM (s7mIC)
I'm in that category too. But my family tends to get married for the first time until really late, my dad was 42, my uncle 42, my aunt 44, another uncle 50.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 24, 2011 07:03 AM (GKQDR)
No, can't be. He doesn't have (never had) a hot wife. And he's still married.
Also, a 90 handicap does exactly describe Tiger. Yet.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 07:04 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 10:59 AM (4df7R)
Okay, here's what you're going to need.
A cross-cut shredder
1 Large, metal garbage can (an old metal oil-drum works as well)
Some gasoline (probably not much)
Matches
Get all that together, and then we'll go on with the instructions.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)
The place I'm at keeps changing policies on information security and retention of paper. They also keep coming up with idiotic teambuilding stunts. Since there is a reservoir behind the place, I suggest that we combine them and stage viking funerals for old paperwork.
They didn't go for it, What a pity.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 07:04 AM (6rX0K)
That we need to read on every fucking thread every time Palin is mentioned
The HQ is where memes and bad jokes go to achieve immortality.
Pull up your bloomers. You get your dick bent every time someone snipes at your patron saint.
I don't see you jumping in to stop the Ron Paul! or Matt Damon! jokes.
How about Charlie Gibson? Should we lay that to rest, too?
Posted by: garrett at August 24, 2011 07:04 AM (BWN5R)
It says something about how far off the deep end Krugman's gone if it's impossible to differentiate his real ideas from parody.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 24, 2011 07:04 AM (O6l28)
--Is there debate about the veracity of "eh" being a word?
Not to me.
--I've never thought otherwise, to be honest. I lump it in with other onomatopoeia interjections like "huh" and "um."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 10:59 AM (4df7R)
Utterances. Not words. Otherwise, you might as well include farts.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 24, 2011 07:04 AM (F5tJy)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 24, 2011 07:04 AM (cbyrC)
Posted by: The Media at August 24, 2011 11:01 AM (OWjjx)
And again I must say that I want to hunt down those 38% and smear them all with dodo guano. Why dodo guano? Because the effort it would take to FIND dodo guano in quantities sufficient to smear 38% of respondents would take a lot of effort, and thus prove how much I hate stupid people.
The SCOAMFOTUS should be at 0% approval, for heavens sake. Even the far left wingnut, hippy, Gaia worshipping, make-love-not-war-and-abort-the-resulting-fetus moonbats are unhappy with him.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 07:05 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 24, 2011 07:06 AM (9hSKh)
Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 07:06 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at August 24, 2011 11:00 AM (nRTou)
He should take solace in all the work that's going to have to be done to set the record straight that it wasn't him. Jobs for the folks.
What does he think stimulus is? Identity theft IS stimulus.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 24, 2011 07:06 AM (F5tJy)
I may steal that. "The Broken Window" for the 21st Century.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 07:08 AM (8y9MW)
How about Charlie Gibson? Should we lay that to rest, too?
You'll take my longbow from my cold, dead hands.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 24, 2011 07:09 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 24, 2011 11:08 AM (8y9MW)
I stole it from the Indonesian Imbecile.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 24, 2011 07:09 AM (F5tJy)
What's this?
Rachel "Ray" Maddow compares Mitt to Thruston Howell III.
John Kerry, the gigolo, is much much more like Mr. Howell than Mitt.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 24, 2011 07:10 AM (sqkOB)
A cross-cut shredder
1 Large, metal garbage can (an old metal oil-drum works as well)
Some gasoline (probably not much)
Matches
Get all that together, and then we'll go on with the instructions.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)
The place I'm at keeps changing policies on information security and retention of paper. They also keep coming up with idiotic teambuilding stunts. Since there is a reservoir behind the place, I suggest that we combine them and stage viking funerals for old paperwork.
They didn't go for it, What a pity.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 11:04 AM (6rX0K)
HAH! I would gladly take up both suggestions if I could. Good Lord, reading this stuff is painful. I was in the dentist's chair for two hours yesterday, and even when the drill swept past the nerve (which is only ever partially numbed for me, I swear to God - novacaine thumbs its nose at me) it wasn't as painful as this.
In one of my past jobs we actually DID stage a ritual burning of one particularly onerous book of rules and regulations that had expired and was in the process of being updated. It was very cathartic, I have to admit.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 24, 2011 07:10 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Moniker at August 24, 2011 07:14 AM (TN7KL)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 07:15 AM (ZDUD4)
I don't see you jumping in to stop the Ron Paul! or Matt Damon! jokes.
How about Charlie Gibson? Should we lay that to rest, too?
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at August 24, 2011 07:15 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at August 24, 2011 07:19 AM (ZDUD4)
In one of my past jobs we actually DID stage a ritual burning of one particularly onerous book of rules and regulations that had expired and was in the process of being updated. It was very cathartic, I have to admit.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit
I envy you; that would have been great.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 24, 2011 07:21 AM (6rX0K)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 24, 2011 07:28 AM (wo3+J)
I don't see any threads devolving into flamefests over those.
That's because the Paulbots don't cruise Blog Threads looking for refs to their leader. They are only interested in stacking the deck on Polls.
The C4P crowd, however, descends on all threads that mention Sarah more than 5 times and MUST defend their annointed saint.
Either get a sense of humor or apply some discretion and ignore those who like to rile up the Palinistas.
I'm not going to stop giving her supporters shit until she stops trying to grab the spotlight.
Posted by: garrett at August 24, 2011 07:38 AM (BWN5R)
You're in for a long 5 years
Posted by: mrp at August 24, 2011 07:42 AM (HjPtV)
You're in for a long 5 years
Posted by: mrp at August 24, 2011 11:42 AM (HjPtV)
Good luck with that.
The good thing is it will only take about a year before your Crow will be ready to eat.
Posted by: garrett at August 24, 2011 07:49 AM (BWN5R)
As long as things don't get personal I don't care if other commenters post links to their preferred candidate(s). I find the Perry-Norris type of posts amusing, for instance. As for posting, I try to wait until the comments drift before posting a comment or link. All subject to Ace's rules, of course.
Posted by: mrp at August 24, 2011 07:52 AM (HjPtV)
I wish I was a head light, on a north bound train....
I'd shine my light through that cool Colorado rain.
Posted by: COJohn Galt at August 24, 2011 08:25 AM (ygKbH)
The memo in the Seabees is: The first wife is for love, the second is for convenience, and the third (and lasting) is for money. Also, you have to have at least one divorce to be upwardly mobileÂ… However, I am happily married to the first (practice?) wife. It can be done. And I wonÂ’t change anything. (Except, of course, I would like to be around more.)
Posted by: lando034 at August 24, 2011 08:32 AM (Q4Y6M)
Posted by: t-bird at August 24, 2011 09:11 AM (FcR7P)
I wish I was a head light, on a north bound train....
I'd shine my light through that cool Colorado rain.
Shouldn't the DOOM thread quote "US Blues" though?
"I'll drink your health, share your wealth, run your life, steal your wife."
Posted by: Neil at August 24, 2011 11:26 AM (46TLK)
Posted by: The Most Dangerous Thing Audio Book at August 24, 2011 05:01 PM (Gr44r)
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