1 The Global Liquidity Bailout Arrives: ECB Announces Emergency Liquidity-Providing Operations In Conjunction With Fed, BoE, BOJ and SNB
link
so, we are bailing out the whole world yet the little guy, underwater, behind in his mortgage cause he lost his job, that guy, yeah they're going to take his house.

2

(CNBC) Applications for unemployment benefits continued to rise in the past week, while inflation pushed higher and a key manufacturing index weakened.

The weekly jobless claims number, which is closely watched as an indicator for employment trends, unexpectedly rose 11,000 to 428,000, well ahead of estimates of 411,000.

Consumers paid more for a range of goods and services last month, pushing up inflation and squeezing Americans' purchasing power.

 

It goes up almost every week that's why it's so unexpected. If Congress would just pass Barry's bill we would then have Utopia!

3

jimmeny jillikers things look bad

4 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

5 Here Is This Morning's Massive Econ Data Dump

6 Timmah is a f*cking joke.The Euros must be thrilled to get his advice.

7 5 "Dump" being the operative word?

8

Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Now to look at the links...

9 hoe to pay for obamacare? STOP THE WARS!!!eleventy!!1!1

10 The Slow Melting of Eurofudge.

I keep plagiarizing Revelations, but this deserves repeating - you cannot merge iron (Germany) with clay (Greece). 

11 Things look bad because they ARE bad.Interesting times y'all,we live in interesting times.

12

I'm not buying this lost decade.

2001-2007 were boom years. So what if it was a false boom. It's not like the money people made then wasn't real, the jobs they had weren't real, and the goods and services they aquired during that time weren't real.

The downturn has been 2008-2011. There is a good possibility that it goes until 2018, I don't think it's fair to call the past decade a lost decade

13 meh, photoshop kitteh...

14 @12

it wasn't money. it was credit.

15 Good news for prospective home buyers, prices for homes may get cheaper and interest rates are at rediculously low rates. I be thinking its time to buy a beach house for rental income sometime in the next 6 months.

16 Hahaha, they use a yellow line for Asian incomes in that "lost decade" link. I denounce somebody.

17

"Firefighters and police put their lives on the line every single day, they deserve their pensions and all the perks we can give them," Kraut said. "And I don't mind paying the taxes to fund it either."

This, from the Florida Police/Fire-Fighters article, really struck me.  I wonder if she still wouldn't "mind paying the taxes to fund it" if that meant she couldn't afford to buy her own groceries.  You know, if they really confiscated enough of her wealth to actually fund those pension plans correctly.

18 12 ben,

as jeanne says in 14 it was not money it was credit, the "boom" was a transfer of promise not any wild slightly improperly valued product.

I don't buy the loss decade crap either, but that is mostly because I suspect the political winds will change enough we will finally start to tap our resources, compete for efficiency on the global market and get growth in our manufacturing sector over the tag end of the next decade.  The US' genuine wealth creation is being stymied by a platitude fed activism that is an artifical cost to how well we do business here.  Gramps taught me "platitudes have a short half life on an empty tummy", and Captain Platitude of the USS Hope&Change is not filling the American economic belly.

19

>>it wasn't money. it was credit.

Oh I understand that, but you did use the money you earned then to buy food, consumer products, make investments, etc etc, right?

It's not like because off the downturn in 2008 that people came to your house and took away all the food you ate or things you bought(unless you bought them on credit)

I'm simply saying a bubble does eventually burst, but the money made during the the bubble by the average person was very real in terms of things they consumed

I'm not refering to the government, just the individual.

 

 

20 17 Allen G,

it depends...will the government allow her to plant a VICTORY! garden or will they fine her like they did in Detroit a few months back to another "urban farmer"

21 Good thing we've come to expect the unexpected as new jobless claims jump...
expectedly?

22

Posted by: sven10077 at September 15, 2011 09:29 AM (AEIYh)

She's 90 years old.  I don't think she would be doing enough gardening to see to her own needs anyway.

23 19 Ben,

the government is the individual, we have held the prime rate horribly low because of the political pressure to keep debt service low so there is little incentive for prudence.

God only knows how distorted the market for just about everything is right now because of ridiculously cheap credit.

24 22 AllenG,

with the proper application of electric shock and sensory deprivation torture the tyrant can work wonders.

25 Lord Almighty!  Maybe these goggles will work better if I crack open a fresh fifth of liquid whore.

26

(Bloomberg) The cost of living in the U.S. rose more than forecast in August as consumers paid more for food, energy and housing.

“There has been more momentum in underlying inflation than many had expected,” Jeremy Lawson, a senior U.S. economist at BNP Paribas in New York. Still, “inflation won’t be a constraint on Fed policy.

 

These guys don't have a clue or refuse to accept what's going on in the economy yet they're experts. No why things are a mess

27 26 The cost of living in the U.S. rose more than forecast" Unexpected??

28 Has Larry Dudlow, deep thinking conservative and economics expert, yet acknowledged that inflation is present or is he still flogging his low inflation, things aren't so bad nonsense?

29

DOOM: The goggles do nothing

 

LOL.  Thanks for opening with that - it took some of the sting out of the rest of the DOOM.

Re the inflation article, I can't say I'm on board.  When you ask the author where the inflation is actually hitting, or going to hit, his answer is "somewhere."    He seems to assert that the demand for dollars is inelastic - that each new dollar creates an exactly proportional dillution of each dollar in the existing pool.  I see no reason to believe that. 

So long as the banks feel the need to sit on massive reserves, and so long as there is still a massive glut of unused productive capacity, and record low real estate prices, I don't see where there's a lack of money sinks.  The only "inflation" we're seeing so far, that I've seen any good numbers on, is fuel and food.  Those are plainly due to increased demand and reduced supply.  That's not inflation in the sense that we usually think of it (currency debasement) - it's simply price increases.  Any Moron on this blog could devise policy changes that would fix both of those within the space of 6 months.

The real question, in my mind, is what the response will be IF the economy ever starts to recover.  Then the banks might start loaning.  Unemployment could drop.  These are good things, and worth some inflation, but there will need to be a plan to prevent overheating and a more harmful level of inflation.  A healthy interest rate increase might be enough - I don't really know with any certainty.  But all that activity will be taxed (and heavily) so I don't think the demand for dollars will drop much. 

Also, to the extent that it debased our currency relative to others, some inflation is good.  Help push down imports and push up exports.  Those drive greater US employment, and help weaken our enemies. 

 

30 We get our very own "lost decade". I think I'm turning Japanese! I really think so! Last time I checked, it was more like a Lost Quarter Century for Japan. And American Liberals would be down with that, they really would. After all, as each 5 Year Plan failed, they would merely double up and demand the NEXT one be even bigger, because - you see - the previous Plan WOULD have worked, Honest Injun... "If Only We Had Done It Right."

31 Doesn't Dudlow love Geithner and worship Bernanke?

32 Inflation is hidden? I just paid $1.89 for a can of cream of Mushroom soup. Hidden? I think I found it.

33 For Blue State perspective?
Louisiana is pulling itself out of a natural disaster BUT the democratic states are trying to pull themselves out of a man made liberal disaster,

34
www.forbes.com/2010/01/20/states-debt-pensions-interactive-map.html

35 Joe Kernan on CNBC asked a great question this morning.  He wanted to know if it results in a 2B gain is it a rogue trade?  link

36 The only good thing about the coming Hyperinflation will be that it will wipe out the national debt. Pity about wiping out personal retirement savings, of course... but what's an extra 20 years of hard labor in return for knowing we gave The One his chance, right?

37

Neal Boortz mildly skeptical about lefty idiotÂ’s claim we arenÂ’t DOOMed.

38 30 CoolCzech,

I see you read the back of their book first as well....?

39 Inflation is hidden? I just paid $1.89 for a can of cream of Mushroom soup. Hidden? I think I found it.

Next time you are at the market take a look at the cost of a box of cereal.

40

Broke American space program finds answer to lack of manned spacecraft: Legos!

41 Off Subeject. Perry now up on Romney in Florida by 9 points w primary voters after Monday's debate. 16 point swing in two weeks for Perry. Poll by Insider Advantage quoted by Hotair.

42

40 Inflation is hidden? I just paid $1.89 for a can of cream of Mushroom soup. Hidden? I think I found it.

Next time you are at the market take a look at the cost of a box of cereal.

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I've been looking. Ten bucks for the large bag of Pizza Rolls. Frickin Porterhouse is $12 each.

43 42 Dick Nixon,

I'd love to dig into the internals.  If the swing is across the age board it means the "third rail" has finally been broken and we can reform entitlements.  Good news maybe.

44 What a surprise, Soros calls for more top-down totalitarianism to "fix" the Euro. Once a fascist collabo, always a fascist collabo, huh, George.

45 You down with doom-er-y ... yeah you know me!!

46 Pity about wiping out personal retirement savings, of course... but what's an extra 20 years of hard labor in return for knowing we gave The One his chance, right?

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 15, 2011 09:41 AM (niZvt)

 

Hyperinflation is highly unlikely, but even if it comes you'll only be wiped out if your retirement assets are all/mostly cash.  If you own productive assets their value will climb along with inflation.  It may serve as a massive pay cut in your current job, though, so your ability to buy more productive assets will suffer. 

But why worry?  Even many conservatives think Americans are grossly overpaid as it is and live in too much luxury, so if we get a pay cut via inflation it's just us getting our just desserts.  (personlly I think that's BS, but you'll hear this theory from time to time)

 

47 I've been looking. Ten bucks for the large bag of Pizza Rolls. Frickin Porterhouse is $12 each.

I console myself with the price of gasoline. Yesterday it was at the bargain basement price of $3.57.

48

If you own productive assets their value will climb along with inflation. 

Can you define productive assets?

49 It's true, Ruthie got to ride the slide!

50 49 Christina Hendricks has two of them.

51 And yet the Dow is up more than 100 points this morning.

I'm a dimwit when it comes to this "economics" stuff -- the only reason I can balance my checkbook is those single-digit sums that fill it.

Monty, does Wall Street know something (good) we DOOM-followers don't, or are they stuttering clusterf***s of miserable failure in training?

52 @42
It sounds like Perry's Virginia swing went very well (link to NRO).

53

That blue state bailout shit really frosts my ass.  Our money, or better – the money from the half of the people in this country who actually pay any fucking income tax because the rest of the country is sponging and voting democratic which in some batshit insane peopleÂ’s estimation is somehow their fucking fair share – is being used once again, to cement blue state votes.  Qid Pro Quo is supposed to be illegal yet it is common as stupid on SCOAMF.  DOOMed is just barely scratching the surface.

54 I've been looking. Ten bucks for the large bag of Pizza Rolls. Frickin Porterhouse is $12 each.

My benchmarks are coffee (what is it now, something like $9-10 for a 12 oz bag?) and Jiffy corn muffin mix (used to be 33 cents, now over 70 cents).  Heck, I bought plain white bread the other day for nearly $4. 

55 Productive asset - Jason Bourne

56 49 Velvet Ambition,

stocks in food companies, rolling stock,

Productive assetsÂ… Generate cash flow now, appreciation later, or both.Are interests in businesses, real estate and/or intellectual property.Can be managed directly (hands-on) or indirectly (via a manager).Can be publicly traded (exchange-traded stocks, bonds, and funds) or privately-held (non-public stocks, bonds, partnerships, and other ownership interests).Can be equity interests (ownership) or debt interests (loan to another party)My personal fave I AM NOT ADVISING would be timber lands bearing tress for paper production....

Another common one is real estate held for rental income rather than flipping value......

Ideally you are free to maximize gain indexed to inflation, and have used your purchasing power gained during peak to acquire wealth.

57

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 15, 2011 09:50 AM (YjjrR)

No, they're just insane.

Really, at this point, I think the stock market has just completely decoupled itself from the rest of the world.  Maybe they'll re-couple later, maybe they wont, but I don't think the stock market is a good indicator of anything (though it's still fun to make fun of El JEFfe when it tanks).

58 My benchmarks are coffee (what is it now, something like $9-10 for a 12 oz bag?) and Jiffy corn muffin mix (used to be 33 cents, now over 70 cents).  Heck, I bought plain white bread the other day for nearly $4. 
Posted by: Y-not

Holy crap. Prices aren't nearly as high here, but I have no reason not to assume they soon will be. Sh*t, could I be any more stressed out this week?

59 If you track your expenses in QBooks, run a report of groceries spending per month -- you will find that missing inflation.

60

Posted by: sven10077 at September 15, 2011 09:55 AM (AEIYh)

Thanks - saved me a post, and said it way better than I would have.

61

Posted by: sven10077 at September 15, 2011 09:55 AM (AEIYh)

Thanks sven

62 52 Scribbler,

they played music as Titanic sank.....

Wall Street often falls prey to the frog in a pot being heated paradigm....

Monty I suspect there is no easy way to know what the EU will do with, to, or for Greece.  The entire situation exposes some deep institutional flaws in their entire political model.  The EU were it a true federal system would TELL Germany and the other states "this is what we're gonna do to help out Fredo over there." but because it is a non-elected chickenshit hybrid of a mess it can only ask other states to help.

If they force greece out how do they keep Italy and Spain in?

If they force Germany to aid Greece through coercion it exposes that the council is a bunch of unelected thugs how do they prevent domestic pressure by member voting populations to leave?

If they ignore the problem how do they avoid the perception that they are a paper tiger and cannot influence policy?

Greece made the choice to implode, and Germany thus far has the right to say no.

If I had insider info on Germany's reaction I'd buy up 15,000 bucks of Greek Junk Bonds tomorrow.

63 56 Productive asset - Jason Bourne

IDF women are also very productive.

64

Off Subject. Perry now up on Romney in Florida by 9 points w primary voters after Monday's debate. 16 point swing in two weeks for Perry. Poll by Insider Advantage quoted by Hotair

 

Gardasil rocks.

65

Deep corruption.  Not shallowÂ… deep.  Deep corruption. Say it with me slowly; Deeeep  Corr  upt shun. Notice how it seems to roll effortlessly off the tongue.  It is a good goddammed thing that SCOAMF is a democrat and the first black president or this would probably make the news.  Fortunately for us, weÂ’re spared this minutia because all it makes is the interwebs.

66 65 Off Subject. Perry now up on Romney in Florida by 9 points w primary voters after Monday's debate. 16 point swing in two weeks for Perry. Poll by Insider Advantage quoted by Hotair Gardasil rocks. Amen. I'm amazed it hasn't occurred to Romney and Bachmann that if they want to cast Perry as a rightwing extremist, it would probably be a good idea NOT to harp on Moderate/semi-RINOish positions he took on Gardasil and immigration. Posted by: Blue Hen at September 15, 2011 10:03 AM (6rX0K)

67 And yet the Dow is up more than 100 points this morning.

In the absence of actual growth, a rising "market" is inflation.

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The shitty coffee I buy has gone from $12/35oz to $17/25oz in...well, it happened instantly. One day. My overall grocery bill went from "What? That's suddenly a lot more than usual" to "Fuck it, I'll eat my own butt" over the course of about a year.

68 A UBS trader loses $2 billion. That's going to be some performance review at the end of the year.

69 So SS is no longer a third rail in FL?

70 I can still buy a loaf of white bread for $1.00.  Kroger uses it as a loss leader.  Coffee (I use instant mostly) I buy with coupons and pay attention to sales at CVS, where they use it as their loss leader. 

I buy family packs of steaks and cut and re-package them.  (I only need 1/2 of a rib-eye,  for example.)  I also buy certain staple items at Sam's CLub IF they are cheaper than Kroger.  Grew my own tomatoes this summer.

I now cook a lot of things from scratch.  I also have a couple of meatless meals per week.   For those who are suddenly confronting this rapid rise in food prices,  there are several sites on the internet that have strategies and recipes.

I am very grateful that my parents never lost their Depression mentality and that as the oldest daughter, I learned a lot of "make-do" skills from my parents.

71

These guys are feeling pretty good about themselves is my bet.  TheyÂ’ve each got a $4.8 million dollar job!  This must be part of SCOAMFÂ’s JobÂ’s For People With Self-esteem Issues program.

72

And American Liberals would be down with that, they really would. After all, as each 5 Year Plan failed, they would merely double up and demand the NEXT one be even bigger, because - you see - the previous Plan WOULD have worked, Honest Injun... "If Only We Had Done It Right."

 

I gotta wonder how many times Russia's Politboro ran that same play....???

73

Miss Marple at September 15, 2011 10:09 AM

I see this more and more from a lot of people I know. Couponing is taking off again, as well as bulk purchasing of lower cost items.

Obama has helped American learn how ot squeeze a dime again with his destruction of the economy.

74 72, Where did all of that FKN money go. If we get an honest man in the white house, the next jobs created will be construction jobs on the new Federal Penitentiaries.

75 I'm amazed it hasn't occurred to Romney and Bachmann that if they want to cast Perry as a rightwing extremist, it would probably be a good idea NOT to harp on Moderate/semi-RINOish positions he took on Gardasil and immigration.

Posted by: CoolCzech

I thought that they were trying to do the exact opposite. Since they're currently in a primary, they seemed to be trying to cast Perry as being to the left of them, that is, when Romney isn't trying to reenact the DNC ad of granny being pushed off the cliff, with Perry in a cameo role. Apparantly Romney has decided after his book was published that the leading man role in the ad wasn't for him.

Gardasil is gonna be the new wonder drug around here. Whether it replaces windex remains to be seen.

76 You might be able to hold out a few weeks longer than any of the rest of us, but for my money, the investment in extra gallon jugs of Val-U-Rite is well worth it.

77 64 Now see ... that's the way it should be here ... walk into a yogurt shop etc. with your M-16 or M-4 slung over your shoulder ... nice

78 Real inflation is around 11%

79

I console myself with the price of gasoline. Yesterday it was at the bargain basement price of $3.57.

When gas was $2/gal oil was $85/barrel. Now gas is $3.57 and oil is....$86/barrel? Methinks Exxon SHOULD be announcing record profits from this quarter....

80 OT for the doom thread, but I TOLD YOU SO

Perry's lead in Florida increased from 7 points to 9 points in the first poll taken after the debate.

Hot Air has a story up on it.

81

"So SS is no longer a third rail in FL?"

Based on Romney's plunge in Florida, apparently lying about your opponent's position is a third rail. And being a squish.

82 #74  I routinely use coupons,  and have for years.  One thing I have noticed,  though:  coupons expire more quickly than they used to.

Ten years ago I would go through my file every 3-4 months and weed out expired ones.  Now most coupons expire after a month,  and some in as little as 2 weeks.  I imagine this is because of the couponing shows on television, whose popularity is also a sign of the times.

83 A UBS trader loses $2 billion. That's going to be some performance review at the end of the year.

Posted by: Waterhouse

 

Congratulations! You are now qualified to be on the House Budget Committee

84 73 MrObvious,

72 years.

The Politburo is the biggest contretemp to leftist economic ideology.

The left accepts as gospel the notion that concentrating economic oversight into a small number of hands results in better judgement, higher standards of ethics, and better wealth distribution.

14 people effectively had 100% economic oversight of the largest nation on Earth that has arguably the greatest wealth potential.

They could never manage to get their 10% arable land to effectively feed their nation.

85 Doom?  Not always.  A small victory in grocery shopping with my wife on triple coupon Wednesday's for the 60+ crowd.  Combine that with a trip to the dented/sans label can cart at the back of the store guarantees a culinary adventure for the coming week. 
Also, watching the food stamp crowd roll their eyes gives a degree of satisfaction as the clerk scans our coupons. 

86 70 Vic,

at least....

87 OT -
My 90-year-old grandpa passed yesterday in his sleep.  He was a WWII vet, having flown, maintained, and manned a side gun in B-25s.  The world is a little darker today without him.

I know the Moron Horde would have some prayers for the old guy, and I know he'd smile knowing others are thinking of him.  Any thoughts or prayers would be very appreciated.

Oh, and he thought Obama was a SCOAMF.

RIP, Pops.

88

OT Barky's words from yesterday.   Beltway Confidential

Facing growing opposition to his economic proposals and dimming prospects that Congress will pass other parts of his agenda, President Obama told a Hispanic group in Washington Wednesday that when it comes to the issue of immigration, "I'd like to work my way around Congress."

"As I mentioned when I was at La Raza a few weeks back, I wish I had a magic wand and could make this all happen on my own," Obama told a meeting of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. "There are times where -- until Nancy Pelosi is speaker again -- I'd like to work my way around Congress."

89 @76: I think, quite honestly, that they are trying to cast him anyway they can. Right wing extremist when it comes to Social Security, anyway. Happily, it would appear the voters are astute enough to see through one guy with great hair who's primary reason for wanting the Presidency is because, He WANTS to be President, Darn it! And they can see through a woman that apparently will make up stories and embrace lunatic fringe positions worthy of a Tinfoil Cap anytime she thinks her polling numbers are in trouble. Here is the secret, IMO, of Perry's to-date success: he looks and talks like Ronald Reagan. People respond to that. They KNOW here is a guy that won't dump on the American Way of Life. After 4 years of Obama, that matters to them more than anything.

90 grognard,  will add your grandad to my prayers.  You, too.  It's hard to lose those anchors of our childhood.

91 My 90-year-old grandpa passed yesterday in his sleep.  He was a WWII vet, having flown, maintained, and manned a side gun in B-25s.  The world is a little darker today without him.

RIP, Pops.

Posted by: grognard

 

May God grant him rest. I hope that you and your family fare well.

92 Perry's lead in Florida increased from 7 points to 9 points in the first poll taken after the debate.

I figured this would happen.  The theory that Mitt had Perry completely surrounded by claiming Perry was gonna make old people eat dog food was pure nonsense.  People were gonna see the full quote.

Mitt's not very good at this.  It's probably why he's only won one election.

93

grognard at September 15, 2011 10:16 AM

Thoughts, prayers and condolences. They don't make them like your Grandpa anymore.

94 RIP, Pops
Grognard --

He'll be in my thoughts/prayers all day.
Last evening I made some dill pickles.  Excellent recipe.

"Pops pickles", they were titled.
Stupid reason to connect things, but I don't understand most of the things God gets me to do anyway.  I just do them, and things work out fine.

95 Condolences, grognard. It sounds like you can take comfort in the fact that your grandfather lived his life well.

96 Mitt's not very good at this.  It's probably why he's only won one election.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

 

My guess is that Romney and Bachmann were both advised to stem the tide, lest they be swept away. It's interesting to note that the attacks were very different, but are having virtually the same reaction, though Romney is experiencing less of a blowback, except in the polling.

97 @83 #74  I routinely use coupons,  and have for years.  One thing I have noticed,  though:  coupons expire more quickly than they used to.

Yeah, I did the coupon thing when I lost my job (while we were in California).  I had the time and at the particular store I went to, they worked well enough, especially for toiletries, paper goods, etc.  If you went brand name.  But I didn't find them that useful for food, because it seemed a lot of them were for brand-name processed foods -- things we would use anyway. Once we went on the diet (for Mr Y-not's health) we really didn't use the food coupons because I was cooking almost entirely from scratch.

Here in Utah we have tons of space (and entire room in the basement equipped for storage - thank you, Joseph Smith!) so the strategy is bulk buying, switching to store brands for most things (except toilet paper, tissues, and napkins, I can't stand cheap paper products for some reason!), and buying when things are on sale.  And Costco.  Costco is da bomb for household goods and meat. 

98 RIP, Pops.

Posted by: grognard

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Prayers for your grandpa and your family.

99 In other news, there is a freakish computer generated humanoid running in the background of an ad on our left. I suspect an obamabot.

100 It's interesting to note that the attacks were very different, but are having virtually the same reaction, though Romney is experiencing less of a blowback, except in the polling.

Well, his claim wasn't quite as off-the-wall as Bachmann's.  Mitt came off as slimy and pandering.  Bachmann came off as wild-eyed and crazy.

101

Dem lawmaker discovers novel way of working for home state jobs: Working to destroy them.  Fucking idiot dems actually have the stones to say negative shit against people on the right. 

102 When chicken gets to $50 each there's a chicken coop going up in this bitch.

103 88 Grognard,

you have my condolences...grandfathers are gold

104 My condolances and thoughts to you, grognard.  God bless you and your family.  

105 And a cow pen out in the parking space.

106 Any of you facebookers getting bombarded by Gore's 24 hours of spam?

107 grognard at September 15, 2011 10:16 AM

I wish there were words...  Deepest sympathies.

108

107Any of you facebookers getting bombarded by Gore's 24 hours of spam?
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Nope, but if I do, they're gone as friends. Not just unfriended, BLOCKED.

109 Thanks, everyone. 

He was a funny guy.  I lived across the road from him when I was growing up, and every now and then we'd hear a rifle shot.  About 10 minutes later, he'd saunter across the road with a cigarette in his mouth to tell us about the latest woodchuck he'd blasted out of his garden or water snake he shot in the trout stream.

He was a rock for our family and liked simple things in life. Fishing, hunting, farming.  That old man could do everything, too. Car repairs, carpentry, plumbing, woodworking. They definitely don't make them like him anymore.

He was a true member of the Moron community, even if he never used the internet. His 60th birthday cake was shaped like two boobs, complete with nipples. We have a pic of the dirty SOB eating the frosting nipple off the cake.

Thanks again, everyone.

110 Not a peep from my facebook friends, but I preemptively linked Drew's post about sending them a possum.

111 Any of you facebookers getting bombarded by Gore's 24 hours of spam?

When I heard about that, I advised everybody in my small circle to "unfriend" him at least temporarily.
Those affected would only be 3 or 4 people, and for some unknown reason, those moonbats typically follow my advice on computer matters.  Not so much on policy issues, though.

112 gronard...may the perpetual Light shine upon him.....

113

My mom is 90. She had me in her mid-40s, the baby (12 year gap) of the brood. It's amazing what that generation saw. She still walks 3-4 miles a day and keeps up with the latest styles. Wears heels when she feels like it. People think she's about 70. Anyway, I took her to the FDR memorial years ago. Asked her if she wanted a picture with eleanor. She said, no, never liked her.

This story made me think about the Mooshelle statue at the Obama memorial. Scary huh?

God bless Pops.

114 Only at the HQ would proudly proclaim their recently departed Grandpa a True Moron!

115 Any of you facebookers getting bombarded by Gore's 24 hours of spam?

When I heard about that, I advised everybody in my small circle to "unfriend" him at least temporarily.
Those affected would only be 3 or 4 people, and for some unknown reason, those moonbats typically follow my advice on computer matters.  Not so much on policy issues, though.

Posted by: jwb7605

 

Why? The only thing better than a goreworshipper being bombarded by spam would be for one to be bombarded by their buddha. Their god not only bleeds, he bloviates.

116 Gardisal may not cause mental retardation but former chief of staff lobbyists cause at least temporary retardation. It's been peer reviewed.

117 @jmartpolitico: Brutal - New Q poll has Obama fave/unfave among indies in VA at: 29/63

118 Posted by: grognard at September 15, 2011 10:27 AM (NS2Mo)

He sounds like a good guy.  Best wishes and prayers.

119

Environmental justice.  That term speaks for itself – and it speaks volumns.

120

My mother in law who liked Huntsman? Sent her the link to Michael Moore's endorsement. She dumped Huntsman instantly. Thanks, you ugly disgusting fat communist scrotum.

121 i don't have facebook.....i'm too political...and i'd end up defriending, being defriended....or not even friending them in the first place......so it would be phoenixgirl 0 friends.....besides this is where it's at

122 Gardisal may not cause mental retardation but former chief of staff lobbyists cause at least temporary retardation. It's been peer reviewed.

polynikes Texan for Romney

Strapping a dog to the roof of your car makes you pass a shitty healthcare bill.  It's science.

123 grognard, very sorry to hear about your loss.  It's very hard to lose those who mean so much to us and who are such a big part of who we are.  Sincere condolences.

124 Been reading the comments section to the NYT article re: Dems Race to Save Jewish Vote. First, the NYTs attempts to spin the impact - duh, they hired Krugman so their objectivity meter in reporting has been broken for awhile. Reading the comments, I noticed a trend where avowed Jews would strongly declare their support for teh won and attack the motivation of NY9 voters or any Jew questioning teh won's love of Israel. It almost seems that they are political minders sent in to ruff up or dirty up any Jew who would consider going Repug. Are these real people or just Head Capo Oven Jews? The NYT is a very icky place to dwell. I feel so dirty.

125 Why? The only thing better than a goreworshipper being bombarded by spam would be for one to be bombarded by their buddha. Their god not only bleeds, he bloviates.

The spam spreads to "friends", so the choice is either unfriend/block people, or put up with unwanted crap.
Just because I am at odds with somebody philosophically doesn't mean they're not decent human beings for the most part.

The friend list I'm down to has non-verbally agreed to shun politics.  That gets reserved for other 'meetings' -- possibly on this site.  I don't know.

126 Kratos, its Revelation, not Revelations. But I get the point, it does seem like end times

127

New living CMH hero.  I sure thereÂ’ll be a post up soon, butÂ…

128 123 Gardisal may not cause mental retardation but former chief of staff lobbyists cause at least temporary retardation. It's been peer reviewed.

polynikes Texan for Romney
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Strapping a dog to the roof of your car makes you pass a shitty healthcare bill.  It's science.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk, New Englander for Perry at September 15, 2011 10:34 AM (FkKjr)

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heh

129 If the European still love Obama so much, why don't they take him?!

130 130, President of the EU, How much more can he FK that up.

131 Another way to save is Restraint Depot - their prices can beat Costco. You just need a business license - got to your boss or head secretary and borrow it. You can justify it for the "cafeteria" - then leave the card at work for all to use. The real coupon change I have noticed is a drop off in the checkout coupons targeted at what you buy - those were the most useful.

132 Has anyone from the morons leaning Perry started working on the campaign yet?  I'm on the list, but I don't know if they will even try for Utah.  I think they should, because - setting religious affiliations aside for a moment - most of the Utahns I've met would be well-aligned with Perry's policies. 

133 Posted by: grognard at September 15, 2011 10:27 AM

Wish I could have shaken his hand and told him he was a good guy. And a capital-M Moron.

There aren't enough like him, and you were fortunate to have him in your life.

134 / ewwww, leave me icky sock

135 i don't have facebook.....i'm too political...and i'd end up defriending, being defriended....or not even friending them in the first place......so it would be phoenixgirl 0 friends.....besides this is where it's at ----- When I used to use Facebook a lot, I was always spouting off about something - I really turned it on during Climategate. When Obamacare passed, I changed my status to "R.I.P. 1776-2009". I got two angry notes from friends who said I'd "changed" and got defriended. They were both girls I screwed around with in college, so no biggie.

136 Sorry, Restaurant Deport, discussion of Restraint Depot are on the ONT

137 grognard, very sorry to hear about your loss also. My grandpa was in the battle of the bulge. He died very young in a coal mine in AL. Be thankful you had the time to know him and I will pray for you and him.

138 I'm fed up with all this porpoisin' -- now let me finish my waffle.

139

The Continuing Failure of AmericaÂ’s Welfare State

But our problems are all due to Bush's tax cuts for the rich and his useless wars of choice!!! 111ty, that is the Dem meme they keep repeating.

I even heard this from my BIL a couple of days ago.

140 @130: Wow, that article said a lot of Turks have negative feelings toward the USA. That's OK; personally I find I harbor negative feelings towards a country best defined as the Land of Prison Homosexual Rape. but hey... maybe that's just me.

141

Talk about your average everyday squandering of our moneyÂ…  The fact any countries attend the Jew Hate Fest should be reason enough to stop paying for membership in this worthless, corrupt, piece of shit organization.  You could count the number of countries that have halfway good things to say about America on one hand, not withstanding all of the money we hand out to them.

142 141, lol

143

grognard at September 15, 2011 10:16 AM

In the early years of my practice I thought that at some time along the way I would learn words appropriate to convey comfort and condolences under circumstances like this. In 30 years of practice I've learned that there are no such words of comfort. You have, however, my deepest sympathies. May God rest his soul in everlasting peace.

144 Oh, and allow me to brag on my my college kid Son... he spent the night before the election manning the phones at Turner's campaign headquarters in Queens. Good for him... I raised a true moron.

145 127 Kratos, its Revelation, not Revelations. But I get the point, it does seem like end times

Mea culpa . 

It has seemed this way at other times too.  Whether or not this is the "real thing" *shrugs*, only time will tell. 

146

You know what I think about the opinions of those in other countries about the USA?

Guess.

147 146 Not enough Tribulation.

148

What will the so-called “Supercommittee” be able to accomplish?

The committee? NOTHING. But the rules insure defense and SS cuts if only one RINO votes for tax increases. So we will get tax increases which congress will spend on more useless socialist stimulus.

149 32 Inflation is hidden? I just paid $1.89 for a can of cream of Mushroom soup. Hidden? I think I found it. Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 15, 2011 09:38 AM (ZDUD4) This what I don't get at all. Do not people go to the store any more? I know I can't afford to eat. The subject of sky-high grocery prices simply is not newsworthy? Heh, did you check-out Michelle's robust smile? Yeah, it was caught between the smirks and grimaces, but we got one and it's a spread all over Google and Yahoo and the N.Y.T.!

150

 Jiffy corn muffin mix  (used to be 33 cents, now over 70 cents)

I blame Romney for everything corn related.

151

And this slimy piece of shit wonÂ’t be happy until he starts a war either.  I want my strong country back, SCOAMF! 

152 To any of you who haven't tried the sugarfree Extra gum Key Lime Pie flavor......it's like having dessert. Swear.

153 he spent the night before the election manning the phones at Turner's campaign headquarters in Queens.

Did he meet Cat Pee Inc.?

154 @153
I miss Altoids gum.  I can't find it anywhere. 

I haven't been able to find a brand of gum I like.  Those ones in the round containers (which are convenient for the car), blow.  Stride loses its flavor in two chews. 

I blame Romney. 

155

Has the great Chinese bond sell-off begun?

Begun is the wrong tense. China sold off its T-Bills months ago. The only people buying T-Bills now are municipal retirement fund managers who are forced to by political rules and the fed who is buying most of them. (e.g. printing money)

156 151,I got it 3 for a dollar at food lion. Bought 12 boxes

157 155 @153 I miss Altoids gum. I can't find it anywhere. Posted by: Y-not, Utahn for Perry at September 15, 2011 10:51 AM (5H6zj) Just the other day a crying mother came up to me and told me that her little girl chewed Altoids gum and she's now mentally retarded!

158 <sub>Oh, and allow me to brag on my my college kid Son... he spent the night before the election manning the phones at Turner's campaign headquarters in Queens.

Good for him... I raised a true moron.</sub>

Group hug!

159

It is a mathematical certainty that the dollar will collapse.

 

160 Anyone else read the comments in the electric car article? Apparently, an electric car salesman showed up to proclaim the article was LIES! LIES! LIES!and a small brigade of sockpuppets joined in to claim how great electric cars were.

161 Can I just say how much I love "DOOM" and how much I look forward to it every day. THANKS for a great thread!

162 160 Jounolist,

maybe...but not for a bit yet as it is still the most efficient medium for transfers between markets in many cases.

Hell even the dollar imploding can be used for good if you have a good economic team and business philosophy to match it....

the issue is not some "dollar value" it is purchasing power of a buck....

if the US has business friendly policy investment preferably with foreign capital will happen this new capacity can then be bought at fire sale prices to meet US demand and the revaluation of price can begin.

163

Huff-Post has an article on AOL claiming on the part of the Dems that NY-9 "doesn't mean anything for Obama in 2012". I was trying to post it via tinyurl but even the smaller link triggers a length violation and won't post.

The entire article was pretty much a denial of reality with regards to the election results and any connection to Obama's performance. It comes across with all the credibility of a 9 year old screaming "I know you are but what am I?!?!?!"

164 Mr. Obvious: If the Democrats think NY-9 means nothing, good. It will make 2012 much easier.

165 I shall raise a glass and tell a dirty joke in your Grandfather's honor, grognard.  He sounds like a hoot.  It is my goal, as I age, to become the kind of cantankerous character he represented so the tradition will be maintained for the edification and delight of future generations.  Is that not the Moron Way?

166

My cousin just started his first year at University of Portland.  He was going to study architecture but received a scholarship that pays full tuition for both undergrad and graduate school.  Instead he's planning to go to medical school.

My aunt and uncle's timberframe business hasn't done well with the awful economy, and this scholarship was a lifesaver. 

167 The entire article was pretty much a denial of reality with regards to the election results and any connection to Obama's performance. It comes across with all the credibility of a 9 year old screaming "I know you are but what am I?!?!?!"

I looked for this article on Huff Post and AOl news and did not see it. Can one of ya'll quote the headline to make search easier?

168 Electric cars make no sense in other ways too.

If you were to come up with a charging system that allowed you to 'fuel' an electric car at the same rate that you pour energy into a conventional vehicle - how many cars could the average 500 megawatt nuclear reactor fuel at one time? This was a question which a physics professor asked his physics students. The answer as I remember was 85.

In other words to make electric vehicles reasonable you would need to ring every major city with nuclear power plants just to 'fuel' the cars.

The battery which Thomas Edison came up with for his electric car was the Nickel Iron battery; it was very difficult to damage - overcharging and short circuits don't hurt it - it had about the energy density of a modern Lithium battery - was inexpensive - lasted for at least 20 years - used a base liquid instead of an acid - all more or less perfect specifications. (By the way, you don't want to short a modern lithium battery - they can explode if you do; we had several of them blow up at NASA when I worked there.)

 You don't hear about Nickel-Iron batteries much today because they were victims of their own success; who as a manufacturer wants to build batteries that last 20 years? There is no aftermarket replacement need for a product that good. Modern electric vehicles would be substantially improved by using Nickel-Iron batteries.

Instead we get cars like the Toyota Prius which has to have its $10,000 dollar batteries replaced every few years. That battery replacement cost kind of sours the alleged economies of electric vehicles doesn't it? 

Pure electric vehicles make no sense - Edison's electric car worked about as well as any pure electric vehicle ever has. If hybrids were built using Nickel-Iron batteries they would make some sense - but of course they aren't.

I used to joke about the Yugo - "the peak of Serbo-Croation technology" (sadly it actually was just that) as being the finest vehicle that socialism ever produced, and it was that also. No more - with the inception of Government Motors I guess the Cadillac CTS  now holds that honor. Don't worry though, as Atlas Shrugs predicts GM will be back producing the Yugo before your head can spin - of course this time around it will be an electric Yugo. We do live in interesting times.
 

169 Anyone else read the comments in the electric car article?

I went back and read them. That Nissan dealer who wrote that is one shameless shill, and he got a lot of facts wrong too.

The Leaf is slower than the Versa. And he can deny it all he wants, but Car and Driver did see extremely short and variable range . It was so bad they had trouble getting people to sign out the car during their long-term test.

He lies about fracking causing groundwater problems (fracking occurs far below the water table). He claims 30% of Leaf owners charge their cars with solar energy, an interesting trick for a commuter vehicle which would be at work during the day when solar might actually work, and even if true, neglects the massive cost of the solar installation.

He ends off with the "external costs" of oil, steadfastly refusing to acknowledge that EVs could have any external costs, as if they spring fully-formed from Gaia's forehead.

170 via drudge, "President Obama's Tax On Soup Kitchens"

171 My 90-year-old grandpa passed yesterday in his sleep.  He was a WWII vet, having flown, maintained, and manned a side gun in B-25s.  The world is a little darker today without him.

I know the Moron Horde would have some prayers for the old guy, and I know he'd smile knowing others are thinking of him.  Any thoughts or prayers would be very appreciated.

Oh, and he thought Obama was a SCOAMF.

RIP, Pops.


The last of the heroes who saved the world are walking slowly into the light. Try to remember him not as the old man he became - but as the young man you never met. He paid dearly for our freedom with his sacrifices. My sincere thanks to your family for his service. May God enfold him in His love.

172 IDF women are also very productive.

Seriously, is there anything hotter than a young woman with a gun?

173 Seriously, is there anything hotter than a young woman with a gun?

A hot woman with a sammich???

174 One of the reasons I love this site: subtle introductions of lyrics from obscure rock groups like The Vapours into posts on financial doom. Monty, you are becoming a national treasure.

175 And for the women who don't understand why a woman with a gun is hot - an explanation.

Women are frightened of men they don't know. That is simply true - any guy who has the emotional sensitivity of a mollusc can sense that. Frightened women are not very approachable women; the last thing any quality man wants to do is frighten women. A girl carrying a loaded M-16 isn't nearly as afraid of men she doesn't know.   Such women are much more emotionally approachable. In addition you know that any man that talks to you has the required amount of physical courage. Openly carry a gun and you will find that the quality of men that approach you will go way up; it really filters the jerks and weasels out.

Does that make sense?

176 I think what is most upsetting about US bailing out europe is the fact that they mocked and lectured us in 2008.