1 good to see you this morn' Monty

2 Prayers for Vic and his family.

Today is feeling pretty Doomy.

3
This DOOM  thread would love to see me hanging from a tree.

4 You are in my thoughts and prayers, Vic.  Take care, and God bless.

5

Vic, get well--we do not wish to contemplate the HQ long without you.

Fossil.

6 Link failure on the pressure to make loans deal

7 1) Prayers for Vic.
2) Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure
3) All economic illiterates suck.

8 (Monkeys bite, you know, and they throw their own poop at people.)
___________

Would it make it better if they threw someone else's?

9 Let's get this out of the way...Obama is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

10 Monty trusting the current gurus with the global economy is a lot like letting your 5 year old change your plug wires in your muscle car....

they and the cult of AGW don't understand that it takes a big man to realize how small they are

11 Never enough pics of cats!  And get well Vic.  The pre-implementation of ObamaCare Medical treatment for your condition is excellent.  You'll be fine.  I'll light a candle for you anyway.

12 I just started reading Joe Kernen's "Your Teacher Said What?!"  So far, I'm liking it.  Among other things, since it started with some conversations he had with his daughter, it keeps it simple enough that I plan to use it when I'm teaching my own kid about the economy.

Though, I have to ask: Is CNBC still owned by NBC?  If so, how long do you think poor Joe will remain employed for going against the neo-marxist orthodoxy?

13 Well, I uh have to say I like this Obamer feller's approach to uh managing the economy. The man's heart is in the right place and Lord knows when a man's heart is in the right place heaven smiles down on him.

14 Fucking ASSHOLES! How the fuck is Obama a "Leftist" when he caters to big business and the banks? Listen shitbirds try for once to read something other than party talking points. Both goddamned parties drink from the same tainted trough of corruption. Maybe once in a while some one with the brains to do a bit of research will actually uncover the fact that the underlying policies of BOTH parties are the same. That rich banking wallstreet business folk are holding all the fucking strings. That they consider everyone else shit to be scraped off their heel. Leftist my ass!

15 6 Link failure on the pressure to make loans deal

Sorry about that. Should be fixed now.

16 @14

Ooooh kay....

17

Thanks Monty

18 Someone doesn't like it pointed out that the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure is a communist shithead.

19

@14

Everyone back away slowly and don't make eye contact. 

20 Though, I have to ask: Is CNBC still owned by NBC?  If so, how long do you think poor Joe will remain employed for going against the neo-marxist orthodoxy?

They'll keep him. He's their token.

He's almost the only reason CNBC is at all watchable in the morning. What a mess they made trying to make up for Mark Haines.

21 someone peed in your cranky flakes?

22 From Zerohedge:
Don't look know but Canada just confirmed the first signal of a recession, after its GDP printed negative

23 ah.......zerohedge.......

24 Posted by: POED at August 31, 2011 09:09 AM (CFhHo)

The URL you meant to type was "http://www.zerohedge.com". They're much more receptive to spittle-spewing fringe bibble-bibble than we are here. Just an FYI.

And I'm sure the local slackers layabouts louts "anarchists" have their own webpage somewhere too. Or you can just lay around your basement bedroom, or dorm room, or subsidized apartment, hit the bong, and mutter bitter imprecations to the society you leech off of.

25 Wow, I need some caffeine this AM, I read that as "anals of the boned in California" and thought, "What's San Francisco done now?"

26 BTW, let's all also pray for the nurses at Vic's hospital, IYKWIM!  ;-)

27 Posted by: POED at August 31, 2011 09:09 AM (CFhHo)

Oh goody.  A troll.

Let's try rational discussion first, and if that doesn't work, we'll release the proverbial Kracken.

Obama's economic policies are leftist (nay, Marxist) for a variety of reasons.  The most important, of course, are his self admitted desire to "spread the wealth" and his self admitted opinion that "at some point, you've made enough money."  Those are Marxist ideas.  But it goes further than that: he's attempting to establish a command-and-control economy (also Marxist) through the EPA, ObamaCare, and a variety of other initiatives.

Now, as to the fact he's catering to big businesses: 1) Inasmuch as big businesses have more money than small businesses, you are correct that all politicians attempt to cater to big business.  2) Big Businesses actually prefer leftist economic policies, because they benefit from them immensely, at least to a point.  More government regulation always disproportionately hurts mid-sized and small businesses.  Worse, more regulation often has the side effect of "putting the consumer to sleep" in that too many consumers expect that where there are regulations, there is compliance- something that isn't necessarily true.  So when there are more regulations, people are actually more likely to patronize large businesses on the theory that "they" wouldn't let "them" do anything wrong.

Now, I don't know if you're just a Paultard/tinfoil hat type, or if you're a liberal troll who is just trying to stir the pot.  In either case, maybe you should reconsider your life choices.

28

CFhHo

 

#14 has been here before. It goes by many names. Not sure if it's that asshole average joe.

29

If the very best economists in the profession cannot come to anything close to agreement about why the crisis happened almost four years after the recession began, how can we possibly address the problems?

I'd like to tweak this question a bit.  

If the "very best economists in the profession" cannot come to anything close to agreement about why the crisis happened almost four years after the recession began, why do we continue to consider them the best economists in the profession?  Indeed, why do we bother asking them anything at all?

30 How the fuck is Obama a "Leftist" when he caters to big business and the banks?

See NLRB-Boeing for just one example.

And get your fucking shine box.

31 20

@14

Everyone back away slowly and don't make eye contact. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 31, 2011 09:15 AM (4df7R)

Don't make any sudden movements, either.  They charge when startled. 

32 14 Maybe once in a while some one with the brains to do a bit of research will actually uncover the fact that the underlying policies of BOTH parties are the same.
_______

What I hear is someone yelling "I have no brains!" Let's see how it goes:

A) The underlying policies of BOTH parties are the same.
B) People with brains have not discovered this.
C) I *have* discovered this
Therefore, I am not a person with brains.

Logic is fun!

33

This will end up in a huge court fight if someone tries it, of course, and being California, the pensioners will "win". But if the money can't be paid out, it won't be, no matter what the courts say

Yup.  If the money isn't there, it won't be paid.  That's when things are going to get truly and utterly ugly. 

The situation in Greece reminds me a bit of some things I've been reading about the US housing market.  The bottom isn't close to being reached because of all the inventory that's being held back from the market, be it by the banks or by people who are not willing to understand the new reality of the market.  At some point that inventory is going to have to be cleared off the books.  Might as well rip off the bandage now.

34 @28
My money's on Paulbot.

This is their last gasp, folks.  Soon, but not nearly soon enough, they will have no leader.  Say it with me: Former Congressman Ron Paul.

35

Don't make any sudden movements, either.  They charge when startled. 

Posted by: Insomniac

 

Piss themselves more like.

36 Does Ezra Klein stutter? Because he's definitely a clusterfuck of a miserable failure. Borrowing "free" money is a good deal if you are going to pay it back AND if you are going to spend it on something that makes you more money. If you get a credit card with a 0% into rate then go buy a bunch of Vodka in plastic bottles, six months later that will seem like a bad idea. The US is never ever going to pay back it's debt we have made it clear. We can't even agree that reducing our borrowing by 30% isn't crazy extremist talk. We are not going to pay back the principle.

37 Say it with me: Former Congressman Ron Paul.

That does have a nice ring, doesn't it.  Maybe I'll have my kids record it and use it as my phone ring-tone.

I imagine it'll be even better said by a 4yr old and a 2yr old.

Maybe I'll just have them say, "Good-bye Congressman Paul."

38 14  My name is Legion for I am many.

39 used the names oh well wilfred fekkin

40 Is it too soon to go off-topic?!   ;-) 
Q-poll has Perry up. 

I imagine the first couple of debates will be pretty annoying as the "journalists" try to trip up the Rickster and make a name for themselves in the process.  Expect tons of questions about evolution, abortion, gay marriage... you know, the really pressing issues our country faces!

41 My name is Legion for I am many.

Anybody got a herd of pigs handy?

42 34 AtC,

you are of course counting on the courts not finding "original meaning" in jurisprudence that says they can print their own money

43 We're terribly sorry about the commenter at number 14.  He somehow escaped from our basement holding area and got ahold of a computer terminal.  He wasn't supposed to go on until the 3:00pm shift.  Our apologies. 

44

Don't make any sudden movements, either.  They charge when startled. 

Posted by: Insomniac

 Piss themselves more like.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 31, 2011 09:20 AM (6rX0K)

I think, in certain situations, they'll do both.  It's a defense mechanism to make up for their lack of actual muscle mass.  After all, what's more disconcerting than a spittle-flecked psychotroll charging at you while pissing himself? 

Which reminds me.  I haven't gone hobo hunting in a while.

45 Posted by: Y-not at August 31, 2011 09:22 AM (5H6zj)

Did anyone else see the humor in a Governor (1 term, I think) with at least one other failed run (for Senate, yes?) complaining about "career politicians," in his speech to the VFW?

46 35 Y-Not,

God I hope so the Paulnuts are an albatross around sanity's already feeble neck

47 42 My name is Legion for I am many.

Anybody got a herd of pigs handy?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 31, 2011 09:22 AM (8y9MW)

I just might, you f**king tosser.

48 POED the Paulbot forget to mention it's the Jooos in his little rant.

49 @48 ???

Did I miss a reference, there?

50 Did I miss a reference, there?

Brick Top is a villainous character from the movie Snatch who uses pigs to dispose of foes he's had eliminated.

51 And, on that WWPKD, link.  Let me just say, Paul Krugman makes our trolls look smart.

52 Maybe I'll just have them say, "Good-bye Congressman Paul."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 31, 2011 09:21 AM (8y9MW)

I assume this will be sung to the tune of "Goodbye, Yellow Brick Road" by Elton John?

So goodbye, Congressman Paul,
While your approval society howls.
You won't trap me in your nuthouse
With your anti-semitic, isolationist tendencies and nutbag foreign policy...

(that last lyric may need some tinkering) 

53 Posted by: Waterhouse at August 31, 2011 09:28 AM (OK/vv)

Ah.  Okay.

Still haven't seen that movie.  I guess I probably should, one of these days.

54 I think the liberals are starting to worry that the Kenyan is going to taint the legacy of FDR.  I present comment #14 as evidence.

Poor Vic, I spent 24 hours in a hospital a couple of years ago and can't imagine being stuck in one for an entire week.

55 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at August 31, 2011 09:29 AM (4df7R)

Or maybe "Candle in the wind."

56 50 @48 ???

Did I miss a reference, there?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 31, 2011 09:25 AM (8y9MW) 

Yep.  It's an allusion to Snatch. 

57 I think the liberals are starting to worry that the Kenyan is going to taint the legacy of FDR

You know, I read that book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History" (It's short, it took me about a day), and I came to realize that Obama isn't Wilson, or Roosevelt, or Truman, or LBJ, or Carter.  He's all of them.  Take the worst parts of each of those 5 presidents, and you pretty well have Barack Hussein Obama, who is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

58 54 Posted by: Waterhouse at August 31, 2011 09:28 AM (OK/vv)

Ah.  Okay.

Still haven't seen that movie.  I guess I probably should, one of these days.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 31, 2011 09:29 AM (8y9MW)

It's a good flick, you should check it out.

59

Damn...Wall Street holds ALL THE STRINGS.

Might as well climb up something tall and jump.

60

Monty, I know you said you picked up Steyn's new book. What do you think of it?

I normally eschew quasi political books, but I've found it to be a good read, insightful, and extremely depressing.

I feel as though we're on a permanent road to decline because we've lost what makes us Americans. Specifically the municpal based problem solving and the idea that when problems arise that we should be the ones to fix them instead of some government official on high.

It just seems like a losing battle. How can you compete with someone who is giving away "free shit"?

 

61 That rich banking wallstreet business folk are holding all the fucking strings. 

Posted by: POED at August 31, 2011 09:09 AM (CFhHo)

See, the corporations sit in their corporate buildings acting all corporation-y...

62 Did anyone else see the humor in a Governor (1 term, I think) with at least one other failed run (for Senate, yes?) complaining about "career politicians," in his speech to the VFW?
---

Yep.

Everyone here knows I don't hate Mitt, but this line of attack is ludicrous. 

Perry was a farm kid who wanted to be a vet when he grew up, but didn't have the grades (he was obviously in the wrong major).  He served his country in the military, then served his community in local government before becoming a very successful governor.  (Whatever I may think of politicians, at least the ones at the local and state level actually, you know, occasionally listen to their constituents and do something useful on occasion like keeping the street lights operating.)  He's now been essentially drafted to run for national office.

Romney was groomed from day one, as far as I can tell, for the presidency by his CEO turned politician father.  He went from no community service and a failed Senate bid to the governorship, undoubtedly largely because of the political connections of his dad.  From that one term he started running for the highest office in the land.  As someone pointed out (at HA) yesterday, the difference between Romney and Perry as more to do with who has been successful at winning elections.  Had Romney won more of his, he'd be a "career politician" too. 

63 corporation-y...

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

 

I thought that it was corporation-ish, like, kinda.

64

That rich banking wallstreet business folk are holding all the fucking strings. 

Does this include tampon strings?

65

Thanks for the doom, may I have another?

One thing that occurs to me is that government spending is included in GDP, dollar for dollar.  Government spending has gone up dramatically in the past three years, but GDP has been relatively flat.  Does it not follow that actual productivity has been negative every quarter, and that we have been in a continuous recession under the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure?*

* note there is no * in clusterfuck

66

>>>Did anyone else see the humor in a Governor (1 term, I think) with at least one other failed run (for Senate, yes?) complaining about "career politicians," in his speech to the VFW?

It should also be noted that he lost to Ted Kenndy by 17 points in 1994.  If you recall, 1994 was one of the biggest wave elections of the 20th century.

67 The 2 biggest economic idiots on the planet are Joe Biden and Paul Krugman. They should be laughed off the stage.

68

Did anyone else see the humor in a Governor (1 term, I think) with at least one other failed run (for Senate, yes?) complaining about "career politicians," in his speech to the VFW?

Romney is running as an outsider.  And I am Carmen Miranda.

69 God I hope so the Paulnuts are an albatross around sanity's already feeble neck



When I go down all that is left is chaos...

70 Odd to see the Euros doing marginally better than Canada, at least in the last quarter. Big drop in oil and gas exports partially to blame ...

71 Everyone here knows I don't hate Mitt, but this line of attack is ludicrous.

I know he's getting desperate, and he's hearing "You have to attack Perry" from all his advisers (and they're right, if he wants to win), but I think he's completely misunderstanding the country's mood, right now.

America never likes "career politicians" except at election time.  Then we seem to love them.  More importantly, despite being a "career politician" Rick Perry has far more Tea Party cred than Mittens will ever get.

72 Posted by: POED at August 31, 2011 09:09 AM (CFhHo)

Good, your anger has made you strong.

73 Look, making just a single drive by comment is no way to earn your troll 3rd class insignia, tenderfoot.  It takes a consistent and dedicated effort.  Go study your troll manual, ask Trollmaster Axlerod to clear up any points for you, and try again.

74

As more and more cities and municipalities are unable to pay the lavish pensions and perks that their liberal politicians have indebted them to.... Bankruptcy seems like the only inevitablity.

Even though many legal 'experts' are saying that it would be illegal for cities/states to declare bankruptcy.... A state of financial insolvency is just *that* --- insolvency.

Maybe we will see some semantic creativity going on, then:

Such as.... The Formerly Insolvent State of California d/b/a Caliphornia.

75 ""As most of you know, I consider the WaPo's Ezra Klein to be the equivalent of an organ grinder's monkey in a little red vest and a fez""


Thats being kind, I kinda consider him to be the contents of the monkey's little porta-potty. Not a great bucket of shit, but a really small insignificant bucket of shit.

eh... I'm from jersey, I really think he's a fucking idiot who can't count his balls and come up with the same number twice.

76 eh... I'm from jersey, I really think he's a fucking idiot who can't count his balls and come up with the same number twice.

Posted by: Berserker at August 31, 2011 09:48 AM (FMbng)

And really, how hard is it to count to zero?

77

If you go to the Australia link, and look at their next story on US foreclosures, you will find this gem:

The Foreclosure Pipeline in New York is 693 months (over 57 years) and 621 Months (over 51 years) in New Jersey!

78 The Formerly Insolvent State of California d/b/a Caliphornia.


Californicated?

79 @68: which is why "Paul Krugman" should *always* be preceded by "former Enron economic advisor".  Leftists go apeshit when they cite Krugman and you mention that.

80 eh... I'm from jersey

What exit?! 


^{_{Sorry, but I have to hit those hanging curves...}}

81 Bryan Caplan finally made a Pinocchio comparison. Don't forget the sucker village where opposites match Obama's revisionism. The court scene fits Holder.

82 Rick Perry has far more Tea Party cred than Mittens will ever get.

Which isn't to say that Rick Perry has Tea Party cred.

83 So, I heard today that part of Texas's new pre-abortion ultrasound law has been suspended by (I think) a Federal Court.  Do any of the other Texas Morons know more about this?  Under what pretext are they suspending the most important provision (that is: the mother has to listen as the doctor describes what the sonogram shows)?

84

"America never likes "career politicians" except at election time." [~AllenG]

It's crazy isn't it? If that were not true.....then guys like Herman Cain would have a chance.

Whenever someone who is not-a-career-politician tries to run for office.......there is this hue & cry about them having "no experience". But when someone runs who has more experience than anyone else in the race....they get slammed for being a "career politician"!

85 Posted by: maverick muse at August 31, 2011 09:52 AM (lpWVn)

Well, no.  It is a low bar.  But if you're trying to say that Rick Perry has no Tea Party cred, I think you need to look again.  He's beating Bachman (I know) and (I think) Palin even within those self-identified as "Tea Party."

Now, that's self-identification, but since that's the closest a pollster is going to be able to get, it's still fairly significant.

86 Under what pretext are they suspending the most important provision (that is: the mother has to listen as the doctor describes what the sonogram shows)?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 31, 2011 09:52 AM (8y9MW)

This sounds awfully invasive, especially coming from folks (conservatives) who generally want less government intrusion in their lives and businesses.  Just my opinion, and I'm pretty anti-abortion.

87 Monty, I know you said you picked up Steyn's new book. What do you think of it?

Steyn isn't really at his best at book-length. He is one of the world's great essayists and raconteurs, but his style -- breezy, pun-filled, punchy -- tends to wear a bit in the long-form. But this is a stylistic thing: he's good no matter what, and After America is vintage Steyn. He's one of the best op-ed writers now working.

I do prefer the English Theodore Dalrymple (Anthony Daniels), though. He has a more dab hand with the language, and is better in the long form. He has written some truly great books about the cultural demise of Great Britain, and his stuff at the City Journal is almost always excellent.

88 Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at August 31, 2011 09:54 AM (2Mtxm)

The fact is that there is a perception (not entirely unfair, either) that someone who has never held elected office lacks a certain set of skills specific to elected office.

I think the issue is that there are enough "career politicians" that we use that as a blanket statement, when what we really mean are "politicians who seek political office for its own sake."  But that's a mouthful, where "career politician" is not.

89

"Californicated?" [~NC Ref]

----------

The new synonym for "totally fiscally fucked".

90 20

@14

Everyone back away slowly and don't make eye contact. 

Hell with that- I'm gettin' my shotgun...

91 Shorter #14:

Jooooooooooooooos!

92

It just seems like a losing battle. How can you compete with someone who is giving away "free shit"?

Sever the umbilical cord and cut the apron strings. Make it obvious what no more means.

Direct the public wrath where it belongs and lay the pain at the door of the carnival barkers and medicine salesmen handing out pie in the falling sky, aka shrapnel.

93 A mother seeing a sonogram (which needs a "guide" or you don't always know what you're seeing) results in the most reconsiderations of the infanticide. It's not invasive at all if you consider that most of these women/girls have been taught that it's just "a pile of cells". They need decent information. If you were being encouraged to put your dog down wouldn't you want to talk to the vet?

94 This sounds awfully invasive, especially coming from folks (conservatives) who generally want less government intrusion in their lives and businesses.  Just my opinion, and I'm pretty anti-abortion.

The thing is, Doctors are already supposed to give the sonogram.  What isn't happening (mostly at PP offices) is they're not allowing (yep, not allowing) women to see and they're not allowing their doctors to describe what's seen.  This is, apparently, to maintain the fiction that the unborn infant is "just a bunch of cells."

If the law could have been written with "should" instead of "shall" and still carried any weight, they would have.  It's an unfortunately necessary "over-reach" if you're going to fight the dishonesty of abortion-mills like PP.

Also, the way to avoid that is, um, not to have an abortion.  So I'm fairly sanguine with this amount of "over-reach."  Also the fact that it is a state law (where I believe such things should be done, if they're going to be done), and I have absolutely no problem with enacting laws that prevent premeditated murder.  (Yep, I said it.)

95 The Foreclosure Pipeline in New York is 693 months (over 57 years) and 621 Months (over 51 years) in New Jersey!

Chain of passing ownership of titles was mismanaged when they bundled mortgages for CDS (Credit default swaps). They suspended foreclosures for a year in NJ, just recently lifted.

96 The fact is that there is a perception (not entirely unfair, either) that someone who has never held elected office lacks a certain set of skills specific to elected office. My concern isn't with their skills to do the job they were elected to ... it is - can they (the non-career politician) win the election in the first place. Electioneering is a skill and has to part of the calculus.

97 eh... I'm from jersey

""What exit?!  ""


Thats hysterical, because its so damn true.

98 Chain of passing ownership of titles was mismanaged when they bundled mortgages for CDS (Credit default swaps). They suspended foreclosures for a year in NJ, just recently lifted. So they fixed the chain of good title?

99 Posted by: Jean at August 31, 2011 10:02 AM (WkuV6)

That's certainly true, too.  It's why many people who "aim" for the Presidency start by doing something local (or even statewide, but with a local constituency).  You have to learn those skills.

100

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 31, 2011 10:01 AM (8y9MW)

Gotcha.  Knowledge is power.

101

This sounds awfully invasive, especially coming from folks (conservatives) who generally want less government intrusion in their lives and businesses.  Just my opinion, and I'm pretty anti-abortion.

Posted by: NC Ref at August 31, 2011 09:56 AM (/izg2)

What's so invasive about it?  If it's just a 'thing' that should be removed, what does it matter if the doctor describes it?  If it is a living being, describing it seems like the least you could do for it.

102 Hey Y-not, happy belated B-day!

Apologies if I already said something yesterday - I honestly don't remember.  The thesis writing is making my brain into the consistency of Swiss cheese...

Hope you had a great birthday!

103

My name is Legion for I am many.

Anybody got a herd of pigs handy?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 31, 2011 09:22 AM (8y9MW)

Now what did I ever do to you?

(*sniffle*...)

104 Globalist corporate raiders promoting investment frauds consider everyone shit to be scraped off their heel.

105 So they fixed the chain of good title?

From my understanding, they setup procedures to clear title, they have not cleared all titles.

106 Posted by: POED at August 31, 2011 09:09 AM (CFhHo) That's right, boy. There are large and terrible forces aligned against you, all conspiring to keep money out of your pockets. Because, of course, if there weren't some amorphous Evil Conspiracy afloat, why then money would just fall into your pockets, wouldn't it? Somehow, you would magically have job skills that commanded a high salary, instead of the wages due someone with your weed-whacker handling abilities. And since you're so powerless against such a wide-ranging and powerful conspiracy, why even bother trying? You can't get ahead no matter how hard you try, so you might as well smoke another fuckin' bowl, right, brah? Now replace "Big Corporations" and "Political Parties" with "Evil Dragons" and "Scary Sorcerers." Because it makes just as much sense. Because they're ALL fantasies your mind created to keep you from dwelling upon what a lazy, useless piece of shit you are. This is the Front Desk with your wakeup call, dipshit. The only common denominator in all your personal failures is YOU.

107 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

108 The thesis writing is ...

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 31, 2011 10:05 AM (9hSKh)

title?

109 When !!1!1RON PAUL!!11! leaves this mortal plane, the 'bots will have him stuffed and put under glass, just like Lenin.

110 Seeing my own sonogram made me burst into tears. [as in "Yay!]..... It is a very powerful thing. Liberals know this. That is why they are against letting women see them who are contemplating an abortion.

111 The only common denominator in all your personal failures is YOU.

We should email bomb the White House with this message and direct it at SCoaMF

112 109 Beautiful.

113 112 When !!1!1RON PAUL!!11! leaves this mortal plane, the 'bots will have him stuffed and put under glass, just like Lenin.

When our leader leaves this dimension, he will he transfigured into a pure being of light.

114 Thanks, Kratos!  We went out to dinner last night, but the big celebration is the sheepdog trials this weekend.  Yeah, I'm weird. 

Best of luck to you on your thesis.  Do you have to write one from scratch or are you allowed to insert publications as chapters?  I had to do the former and, being a dinosaur, I also had to print all of my electron micrographs the old-fashioned way, plus physically type the page numbers onto all of the figures.  Needless to say, it was a nightmare.  That and the fact that the Chicago Manual of Style was used by the on campus editor in charge of accepting or declining dissertation manuscripts.  The defense was nothing compared to formatting the friggin' manuscript! 

115 title?

It's about cleavage, .

No (Semi-safe for work), not this cleavage, deviants! 

116 "Greece will default at some point or another"

Yep.  Their problem is that their budget, minus interest payments, is still 5% in the hole.  If / when they default, no one's going to want to help them cover that 5%.

Don't feel sorry for the Greeks.  Feel sorry for the suckers who are "loaning" them the money to cover that 5% + interest payments.

117

Fuck.
Not Vic.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Take it easy. He is just starting treatment and they've made huge strides in the last 15 years. Back in the 80s they didn't even use chemo for it. By  the early 90s they did and have made progress. I'll keep this guy in my prayers but it is treatable and is very slow growing.

118 113 Seeing my own sonogram made me burst into tears. [as in "Yay!]..... It is a very powerful thing. Liberals know this. That is why they are against letting women see them who are contemplating an abortion.

THIS is the reason why. Even at 6 weeks you can identify the image on the sonogram as a baby. (personal note: we even knew the sex cause we saw his dink)

119 @109 - You know, EoJ.  Every so often someone mentions the fact that I can smack down trolls.  I really don't know what they're talking about, since, compared to you I'm a rank amateur.  I want to be you, when I grow up.

120 @121
I'm more worried for the nurses!  ;-)

121 95 Soap McTavish,

Stuttering ClusterFuck of a Miserable Failure and Eric "what voter intimidation?" Holder couldn't do it without a LOT of career civil servants hopping on board willingly....we need to defang the beast

122

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 31, 2011 10:06 AM (XE2Oo)

 

*golf clap*

123 Posted by: dagny at August 31, 2011 10:13 AM (P0l+a)

This is correct.  And, for radiation (not sure if they're going that route) there have been so many advances that just 10 years ago seems like the dark ages.

The very existence of cancer sucks, but we're getting better at dealing with it.

124 Best wishes, Vic. You strike me as a stubborn bastard, so I have no doubt that you will be chasing nurses around in no time Seriously, though, my prayers are with you.

125

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 31, 2011 10:04 AM (FkKjr)

I meant in terms of dictating the specifics of the doctor-patient relationship.  Would it be a "form letter" so that everyone gets exactly the same spiel, or would there be just basic guidelines etc.  Government is already in healthcare too much, that's whats invasive.

Providing information is not.

126 Ezra is awfully happy that the savers in this country are taking it in the ass, and would like to see them take another few inches of government pipe.
 
It's possible I'm paraphrasing a bit here.
 
My dad is convinced that Congress will refill the FEMA coffers so they can pump a bunch of billions into the Eastern seaboard. Sadly, I suspect he is probably right. Just the idea of people being responsible for their own care and cleanup horrifies DC; why, they might learn that DC isn't needed at all.

127 Well.  At least they didn't use "unexpectedly."

Reuters via FoxBusiness on the ADP jobs report: http://fxn.ws/rfyefE

128 Posted by: NC Ref at August 31, 2011 10:17 AM (/izg2)

I think the law just said "Shall describe," or "Shall accurately describe," or something like that.  I don't think they went in to exactly how it should be described.

129 Rick Perry comings and goings:

Myrtle Beach on Monday, Sept. 5.

Following the format of his previous town halls with presidential candidates, Rep. Scott will take questions from the live audience as well as from online Facebook followers, allowing as many voters as possible to ask Gov. Perry a question.

“I am proud to welcome Gov. Perry to Myrtle Beach to meet our voters,” said Rep. Scott.  “Since his announcement speech in Charleston just over two weeks ago, the governor has excited our electorate, and I look forward to continuing that conversation.”

SoCal morons: don't forget he'll be in your neck of the woods on Sept 8th.  Link to how to get tickets on yesterday's morning open thread. 

130 The Obama administration has severely compromised our DOJ and turned it into what is rapidly beginning to resemble the enforcement arm of a police state.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at August 31, 2011 10:00 AM

"Rapidly beginning" to look like Stalin-style repression?

You understate, friend.

One of the things that make me most certain we're headed for a total meltdown is the media's -- and the public's -- willingness to ignore everything that Eric Shabazz Holder (acting under the direct orders of the Traitor-in-Chief, I believe) has done -- and continues to do -- to destroy the rights of all but the protected classes.

What I fear -- but almost hope for -- is a vicious backlash against selective enforcement of the law. It won't be pretty, and some good people will inadvertently be swept up in the rush to clean things up.

131 It just seems like a losing battle. How can you compete with someone who is giving away "free shit"?

I know quite a few people on the "free shit" bandwagon. It's called "Unemployed due to lack of work." They have been working part time since the early 1980's, and supplement their income with -you guessed it- unemployment. Basically, their work is seasonal, and the rest of the year, it's free shit from Uncle Sugar. They don't want to work full time, don't want to get off unemployment and don't want their lives to change. The most successful among them have wives that support them.

Of course, they almost all drive newer cars than I do, several have boats, flat screen tvs and so on.

132 Glad to hear that, Y-not.

Best of luck to you on your thesis.  Do you have to write one from scratch or are you allowed to insert publications as chapters?  I had to do the former and, being a dinosaur, I also had to print all of my electron micrographs the old-fashioned way, plus physically type the page numbers onto all of the figures.  Needless to say, it was a nightmare.  That and the fact that the Chicago Manual of Style was used by the on campus editor in charge of accepting or declining dissertation manuscripts.  The defense was nothing compared to formatting the friggin' manuscript!

From scratch, but that is mostly because I started several projects that yielded negative data; the data from those projects are going in my thesis as appendices.  I think there was one grad student in my lab who used several publications as chapters in here thesis, but the norm here is that the thesis is written from scratch. 

I really feel for you "dinosaurs" who had to format and edit your theses/publications in the ways of the ancients.  Doing it electronically is demanding enough;  using the old fashioned way must have been frustrating to the point of madness. 

133 On the abortion bill being blocked.  Here's what I could find on it:
http://bit.ly/rfQz3j

Apparently, it violates their free-speech rights because describing the unborn infant is "politically motivated speech."  No.  I'm not kidding.

Have I mentioned that I kind of hate liberals?

134 I want to be you, when I grow up That is why you fail. Unneeded, this step is.

135

... Of course, they almost all drive newer cars than I do, several have boats, flat screen tvs and so on.

Posted by: shibumi at August 31, 2011 10:21 AM (z63Tr)

 

Yes, but they have no soul.

 

136 Posted by: shibumi at August 31, 2011 10:21 AM (z63Tr)

My in-laws in Michigan used to be like this.  They'd work seasonal construction jobs in late spring and summer, and the other 8 months of the year they'd do make-work jobs or nothing at all and collect unemployment.

They've since stopped doing that, but it really annoyed me when I found out about it.

137 BTW, when I was shopping yesterday I discovered that Macy's has their Christmas display up already. 

138 Good morning Vic,

I here to give you a sponge bath.

Ooopsie, my nurses uniform seemed to have slipped off...

BOW-CHICKA-WOW.-WOW

139 My in-laws in Michigan used to be like this.  They'd work seasonal construction jobs in late spring and summer, and the other 8 months of the year they'd do make-work jobs or nothing at all and collect unemployment.

They've since stopped doing that, but it really annoyed me when I found out about it.

And strangely enough, I am in Michigan.

Sigh.

140 141 BTW, when I was shopping yesterday I discovered that Macy's has their Christmas display up already. Posted by: Y-not at August 31, 2011 10:27 AM (5H6zj) For some reason that kind of thing just outrages me. At least have the decency to wait until the first of November!

141 "Good morning Vic,

I here to give you a sponge bath.

Ooopsie, my nurses uniform seemed to have slipped off...

BOW-CHICKA-WOW.-WOW"

"Oh, GOD!  You're Paul Krugman!  Get away from me! Help! Help!"

142 Vic, I offered prayers for you on the thread below.  Have a good friend who had the "c" thing a few years ago and is doing absolutely great now.

Take care, dear moron.

143
91K jobs added in August

uh oh, that's lower than expected!

144
I think the UE rate is going up a tenth. I dunno.

145 Posted by: shibumi at August 31, 2011 10:21 AM (z63Tr)

I knew a guy who did landscaping...actually he just cut grass...in the warmer months here...and then spent the rest of the year in Florida in a house he owned while collecting unemployment. He did this for years

146 Posted by: shibumi at August 31, 2011 10:28 AM (z63Tr)

My understanding is that it's very prevalent up there.  My Father-in-Law stopped because he just couldn't do that kind of hard labor anymore, so now he works in a granite shop cutting granite counter-tops.  That's a year-round thing.

My B-i-L stopped because he was getting married, and figured out he couldn't support himself and his in-school (then fiance, now wife) by doing that.  Now he does some kind of On-the-road delivery gig.  He uses his personal pickup truck for it, so I'm not sure what he actually does, but it apparently pays pretty well.

147 Oh damn, I hope Vic is all right....

148

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The pace of U.S. private sector job growth slowed in August for the second month in a row with employers adding 91,000 positions, a report by a payrolls processor showed on Wednesday.

Economists surveyed by Reuters had forecast the ADP National Employment Report would show a gain of 100,000 jobs. July's private payrolls were revised down to an increase of 109,000 from the previously reported 114,000.

August's gain was the smallest number of private jobs added since May's disappointingly small reading of 35,000.

 

Have no fear Barry's jobs plan will fix everything!!!

149 This article by Walter Russel Mead has a very topical title:
 
New Blue Nightmare: Clarence Thomas and the Amendment of Doom
 
It has some quite hopeful words in it though about how Thomas is pushing the Constitutional viewpoint back towards its original intent. It's worth a read.

150 If anybody wants to watch Petraus' retirement ceremony it's at http://www.defense.gov/live/

151 Have no fear Barry's jobs plan will fix everything!!!

That's right!  We won't have to worry about those additional jobs anymore!

Wait.

152

BTW, when I was shopping yesterday I discovered that Macy's has their Christmas display up already. 

That reminds me of when I was a little tyke back in the 1970's, when Sears had its Christmas "Wish Book" catalog printed and mailed in late August.

But at least Sears did not have the displays up that early.

153 @154
Yeah, I saw that.  Good article.

154
July's private payrolls were revised down to an increase of 109,000 from the previously reported 114,000.


No way, really?!?!?

155 Posted by: GnuBreed at August 31, 2011 10:32 AM (ENKCw)

Rush was talking about that yesterday.  His take actually seemed to be that it's aimed at liberals so they can try to drum up something to force him to recuse himself from the OCare case.

156 Defending your thesis is the easy part, Kratos. I found that once the first professor reaches for it, and you smash his/her head with a sock full of D-cell batteries, the rest of them are less anxious to attack your work. "Anyone else want to try?"

157

This sounds awfully invasive, especially coming from folks (conservatives) who generally want less government intrusion in their lives and businesses.  Just my opinion, and I'm pretty anti-abortion.

Posted by: NC Ref at August 31, 2011 09:56 AM (/izg2)

This seems to be well within the authority of the state under its "police powers" and the Tenth Amendment.  The licensing, oversight and regulation of doctors and other health care practitioners has long been within the purview of the state.  Doctors are routinely required to provide certain information to their patients as a matter of state law, and are similarly prohibited from having certain kinds of communications with their patients.  Considering that all medical procedures (the proper categorization of abortion as a medical procedure being a debate for anothr day) are supposed to take place only on the basis of informed consent, I don't see the problem with a state requiring that all the relevant information being provided.  

158
Obama was on the Tom Joyner show. Joyner asked, "What's the plan?"

Obama answered with excuses and obfuscation.

There. Is. No. Plan.

159 153 Dagny,

He'd make a good VP...love to watch Juggsy melt down over his "joining the dark side"

160 Did you folks see the latest smears on Bachmann?  Link to Patterico. 

161 He is neither a leader nor a technocrat in the usual sense, but a Simon-pure ideologue who will not let the mundane fact of failure prevent him from chasing his leftist dreams. He doesn't consider the various failures of his Administration his failures, but rather the ineptitude of his staff or the intransigent blindness of the American people.

Dead on, Monty.  And thanks again, 52 percenters.  And to the David Brooks -- David Frum -- Chris Buckley -- Peggy Noonan -- Colin Powell Axis of Stupid.

162
"Black America" is becoming frustrated with Obama and the Democrats.

So the Democrats are doing the only thing they can do: Pull the race card and blame whitey.

163 Rasmussen has the SCOAMF at -25 today, one point above his lowest reading. Just 6% think Congress is doing a good or excellent job. More people believe in UFOs and "Elvis is alive!" than that.

164 Really only moderately associated with doominess (ergo the lowercase DOOM):

TheyÂ’re complaining about a measly 125k foreign work permits every month?  Are they racist?  Xenophobes?

165 Oh damn, I hope Vic is all right....

Maybe he'll give She Who Must Be Obeyed instructions on how to leave us a message in a couple of days. A week is a looong time to go without his GLOOM ahead of the DOOM links.

166 167 GnuBreed,

I think the congressional rating has a lot to do with GOP frustration that Boner can't force "change" down Barry and Harry's throat

167 The only common denominator in all your personal failures is YOU.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 31, 2011 10:06 AM (XE2Oo)

14 is a juvenile sowing oats of disillusionment. No matter the dogma, it hardly matters which side of the boat to go overboard in order to maintain a fictitious purity. Recall the moat/beam running punchline here that the infidel is just like you/me except for one unforgivable point. Live and learn, POED.

But Jeff, that's your personal response to his personal response to the national and global economic DOOM? Sure, attack the disagreeable idea. But attack the individual "infidel" who dares mention the taboo? Meh.

As if all major political parties AND the monopolized merging of banking/investment/insurance industry haven't led us to this brink of a valueless Dollar.

As if our taxes being used to bail out the Ponzi globalists hasn't and isn't occurring while the sovereignty issue for both nation and individual is no longer recognized by governing authoritarians.

As if getting small business loans at high interest from a banking/investment industry that enjoys 0% interest from funds "produced" from taxation meant to be responsibly returned into the economy through affordable loans is a reflection of the small business owners' PERSONAL failure. 

168

I'm getting really fed up with all the cries of racism being spewed from the black left.  All the while it seems orchestrated that black gangs are running rampant attacking, robbing, and intimidating at will.  It almost seems that someone wants a race war. 

Also, Holder's "Justice" Dept is bullying banks to provide sub-prime loans to minorities to counteract discrimination. 

How long will discrimination and race be used as a crutch for a group of people who clearly are deficient in their ability to act like humans?  Go to YouTube and watch some videos of this sub-human trash flash-ganging in the streets.  It's utterly disgusting and repulsive.  Meanwhile, we dare not mention race, color, or ethnicity as a distingushing characteristic of these animals; just the same as we dare not call islamic savages by name.

Yes, there are scum and savages in all races - white very much included, but why does it seem so much more prevalent in some races and cultures?  Why is it that instead of expecting standards of behavior and ability, we have coddled the worse elements of society and even idolized them?  Look at professional sports and the rap music industry as an example - thugs that have not used their abilities to rise out of the ghetto, but rather have elevated their ghetto lifestyle into the mainstream of America.  We've been told that we shouldn't even expect blacks to speak English and that we should learn ebonics.  In other words, we should dumb down our well established societal and curtural standards to accomodate those who either refuse, or are incapable of, normality.  There's coming a time when people are going to have to face facts and deal with it.  "White guilt" is no different than the "blame Amercia first" guilt that's doing nothing but demonstrating our weakness and laying our heads on chopping blocks. 

169 I read an editorial by a young journo school intern in our paper yesterday and wanted to shoot myself in the face.

She was bitching about being unable to find permanent work as a "writer" and whining that she and her fellow college grads are considering going for advanced degrees since there's no work for them.

She complained about tech school grads getting jobs as skilled workers in welding, etc. and if people don't continue to attend four-year colleges and universities, our country will lose its intellectual power and we'll be dumbed down.

The fact that the local fishwrap gave her a column to bitch and moan pisses me off.  And I'd bet good money she's an Obamabot.

170 160 Defending your thesis is the easy part, Kratos.

I found that once the first professor reaches for it, and you smash his/her head with a sock full of D-cell batteries, the rest of them are less anxious to attack your work.

---

heh.

My thesis research went against a pretty widely held theory.  My evidence was solid, but limited.  (Basically I had pictures that directly refuted what was "supposed" to be happening.)  Anyway, I was nervous about the defense part (justifiably), but it went ok.  One thing in my favor was that the members of the committee started arguing amongst themselves about what my findings meant.  I had about 10 minutes where I didn't have to say a word... until one of them noticed!

171

My money's on Paulbot.

Honestly, I say Commiecrat dupe. While Ron Paul is someone upon which many bongsmokers have projected all of their wishes, this guy comes across as a fully leftist troll. The Paulians at least do support laissez faire.

172 "Anyone else want to try?" EoJ demonstrates the Dallas Korben method of negotiation as applied to academia.

173

I'm getting really fed up with all the cries of racism being spewed from the black left.  All the while it seems orchestrated that black gangs are running rampant attacking, robbing, and intimidating at will.  It almost seems that someone wants a race war. 

They do--and they expect their apparatchik media to cover for them. This has worked in the past, but I think people are fed up.

I am waiting for Bernard Goetz 2.0 to appear and turn a few "flash mob" members into rendering plant material.

174

I think that the remedy for DOOM is more religiously motivated peace.  Religiously motivated peace just gets things done.  Consider if you will, a sports analogy.  Look at how religiously motivated peace stack up against non-religiously motivated peace in these box scores.  And this was during an extended holiday.  These cats are productive, I tell you!  All stars!  (via Weasel Zippers)

175
As of July 2011:

"The share of the eligible population holding a job declined to 58.1 percent, the lowest since July 1983."

This is an interesting indicator I never knew of until now.

176 So the Democrats are doing the only thing they can do: Pull the race card and blame whitey.
Posted by: soothsayer at August 31, 2011 10:37 AM

The really sad part is that it will work.

Guilty white liberals, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will see to that, and the entitlement-fed, lazy percentage of the black population will find it easier to keep believing it than actually, you know, being productive.

177 My California-Is-Going-Down-The-Terlet story of the day (pretty sure it's a h/t HA):

How will parents react when they find out they will be expected to provide workers' compensation benefits, rest and meal breaks and paid vacation time forÂ…babysitters? Dinner and a movie night may soon become much more complicated.

LINK (Union.Com - not the Onion)

PS  Get Well, Vic

178 WTF is going on?  Via Twitter (and HA headlines):
BREAKING: Palin's participation in Saturday's Tea Party of America rally is "on hold," 2 sources close to Palin tell RCP

179 The truth is like heroin, - what we need is more heroin!

180 Aaack - sock off

181
Obama will be out today demanding Congress pass two "jobs" bills.

Shovel ready, of course.

One bill is for union workers to work on unnecessary pork-barrel projects at airports.

The other bill is a "roads" bill, which is another slush fund for the trade unions.

182 160 Defending your thesis is the easy part, Kratos.

I found that once the first professor reaches for it, and you smash his/her head with a sock full of D-cell batteries, the rest of them are less anxious to attack your work.

I will keep that advice in mind, EoJ.  Thanks!  And a tube sock full of batteries will be easier to sneak in on campus than a 6 foot blue-luminescent buster sword...

174 My thesis research went against a pretty widely held theory.  My evidence was solid, but limited.  (Basically I had pictures that directly refuted what was "supposed" to be happening.)  Anyway, I was nervous about the defense part (justifiably), but it went ok.  One thing in my favor was that the members of the committee started arguing amongst themselves about what my findings meant.  I had about 10 minutes where I didn't have to say a word... until one of them noticed!

Dissension amongst committee members is fun to watch during meetings. 

183

A class of 'activists' will rise up and make a living advocating for this newly minted victim-group.....

 

You talkin' to me?

184 -Obama thinks hes Richard Pryor from Brewsters Millions. Instead of a Rich uncle its money stolen from us at the point of a gun. -Last night I was robbed by a black guy and a white trash guy. With Democrats just its during the daylight hours. -Sorry not time to respond looking for a new place to live.

185 BREAKING: Palin's participation in Saturday's Tea Party of America rally is "on hold," 2 sources close to Palin tell RCP
Posted by: Y-not at August 31, 2011 10:45 AM

I can hear the Palinoids' heads exploding!

186 @189
I honestly have no idea how to interpret it, but it seems like the organizers are pretty clueless (based on their invite/disinvite fiasco with Christine O'Donnell). 

187 189 MrScribbler,

she's either joining Perry or Mittens

188 That seals it. The new hot career path for the ugly is babysitting in California. Mandated benefits and special class protections. Too bad the only Clownifornians who reproduce can't afford babysitters.

189 Defending your thesis is the easy part, Kratos.

heh. My German history professor called me in for a run through prior to the date with destiny. After his grilling, he asked how I felt. "Like D-DAY." 

190 @109

That was suh-weet!  Also, prayers going out to Vic.  I was too late on the morning thread to send prayers to him before he left. 

As if Eric Holder's DoJ doesn't have enough on its hands........

He's also apparently teaming up with ACORN for some fun 2012 voter fraud.

191

I can hear the Palinoids' heads exploding!

You prefer Mitt the Milquetoast or Perry the border squish?

192

 

"WTF is going on? Via Twitter (and HA headlines):
BREAKING: Palin's participation in Saturday's Tea Party of America rally is "on hold," 2 sources close to Palin tell RCP."
Posted by: Y-not at August 31, 2011 10:45 AM (5H6zj)

------------

Interesting.....Maybe she's trying to milk the suspense of it all? Who knows, at this point. 

 

193 she's either joining Perry or Mittens
Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2011 10:49 AM

Could be. Or maybe she's decided to take some time off. Or she has decided to run for president. Or she's in negotiation for a new TV series.

No way of knowing, until she says something or the Palinoids -- all of whom talk as if they have a direct pipeline into her thoughts -- let us know.

BTW: If she throws in with Mutt Romney, she is dead to me. She would go instantly from "not-my-first-choice" to "never, ever."

194 Dissension amongst committee members is fun to watch during meetings.

Those competitive personality conflicts really do flair.

195 @195

Let's see, that's such a difficult choice.  To pick a governor who is actually having to deal with illegals or one who doesn't know how many there are in her state.  Hmmm...


----
Governor, let me ask you about immigration. How many undocumented immigrants are there in Alaska?
I don't know, I don't know. That's a good question.

As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?
There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?
No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They've got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great  country provides. 

To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

196 Interesting.....Maybe she's trying to milk the suspense of it all? Who knows, at this point. Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at August 31, 2011 10:52 AM (2Mtxm) Eh, we're beyond "suspense" and heading rapidly toward "annoyance." She really needs to shit or get off the pot.

197 BTW: If she throws in with Mutt Romney, she is dead to me. She would go instantly from "not-my-first-choice" to "never, ever."
Posted by: MrScribbler

That would be her dumb choice since she went out of her way to disavow the TX Tea Party to endorse Rick Perry's last run. Logically, she'd stick with Rick.

198 182 WTF is going on?  Via Twitter (and HA headlines):
BREAKING: Palin's participation in Saturday's Tea Party of America rally is "on hold," 2 sources close to Palin tell RCP
Someone on Palin's staff booked Christine O'Donnel to speak before Sarah. A bunch of teapartiers had a cow. Then some of Palin's staff tried to backtrack and say they hadn't read the schedule. So there is now a tiff amid the teaparty over Christine O'Donnell (who should suddenly get the stomach flu IFYKWIM)

199

"I honestly have no idea how to interpret it, but it seems like the organizers are pretty clueless (based on their invite/disinvite fiasco with Christine O'Donnell)." 

Posted by: Y-not at August 31, 2011 10:49 AM (5H6zj)

--------

But this morning there were reports that they 're-invited' Christine O'Donnell. It's all very curious.

 

200 197 MrScribbler,

I support her as a force in the GOP, and there are reasons she may go with Mittens.  As is most always the case in politics there is no candidate I support wholesale, but at least all are an improvement over McCain at this stage of the game.  The newsies will go jihadi jim on Sarah or Bachman so IMHO they need to set up a VP or high cabinet run as the payoff for their backing.....

201

Back when I was an undergrad (and dinosaurs roamed the earth) I made some really lovely cash typing and formating grad student theses.  I believe I mentioned yesterday that I hated The Bluebook with clown spider hate.  I hate the Chicago Manual of Style with that times the hatred of Michael Moore with a heaping of what I feel for my Bastard Ex.  It was an utter, utter bitch to do that stuff. 

I do prefer the English Theodore Dalrymple (Anthony Daniels), though. He has a more dab hand with the language, and is better in the long form. He has written some truly great books about the cultural demise of Great Britain, and his stuff at the City Journal is almost always excellent.

Yeah, Steyn makes me want to down the pills while Dalrymple makes me want to slit my throat.  Dooooooooooomed. 

 

202

You prefer Mitt the Milquetoast or Perry the border squish?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 31, 2011 10:52 AM

It's obvious who you support. Wrap nearby things in plastic so they're easier to clean when your head explodes, mmmmmkay?

I haven't decided who I'll support yet, though among the current declared choices it will most likely be Perry.

Part of the reason I'm considering Perry is that the Paulbots and Palinoids have joined the Democrats in trashing him. If they all think he's that awful, I'm guessing he's a pretty good guy.

203 Saturday's Tea Party of America rally...

Evangelical?

204
**incoming transmission from Moonbat One**

205
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206 201 MM,

my guess as well...

contrary to media meme Sarah was relatively moderate as a Pol in Alaska she is an anti-corruptocrat not really a theocrat like Chris Tingle thinks....

it is why Liza mukanski and her pals were filing frivolous suits along wwith the donks.

207

Let's see, that's such a difficult choice.  To pick a governor who is actually having to deal with illegals or one who doesn't know how many there are in her state.  Hmmm...

Like Perry honestly knows how many there are either?

I do like Perry way more than Mitt, and he may be the most electable candidate we have, but I'm not going to be haciographic about him.

208 @202
I thought I read that O'Donnell had been re-invited.

I think COD was an odd choice, but it was incredibly tacky for the organizers to publicly un-invite her.  All they had to do was say, "Oops, our schedule is packed, but we have asked Christine O'Donnell to lead the Pledge of Allegiance" or some other scripted (and short) thing and everyone could have saved face.  So I really fault the organizers the most.

I would think that Palin would not feel threatened by COD given how firm and loyal her support is, but who knows. 

209

Please chip in $6 to Fire Rick Snyder and Daily Kos.

???

210 206 MM,

hear hear....

if you piss of Je$$e Jack$on and the Paultards it is an endorsement not a detriment

211  Obama targets GOP for fall offensive

"When GOP lawmakers return, the president and his team are ready to deliver a flurry of attacks, castigating Congress for inaction on jobs, being on the wrong side of taxes and eager to destroy social safety net programs. If Obama and his team have their way, Americans will come to see every Republican as a Tea Party extremist. "



PS: Thoughts and prayers for Vic. Best wishes.

212 If "they" all think "he" is that awful, I'm guessing he's a pretty good guy.

Fill in the blanks at will. No logic necessary.

213
wouldn't you love to audit Kos' books?

214 Posted by: soothsayer at August 31, 2011 10:58 AM (G/zuv)

In Michigan, the Democrats have taken out billboards that basically claim that Republicans are stealing food from the mouths of children to help "big business."

I really wish the Michigan GOP would take out billboards that simply said "Democrats: Because that's worked so well for the last 40 years."

215 >>Let's see, that's such a difficult choice. To pick a governor who is actually having to deal with illegals or one who doesn't know how many there are in her state. Hmmm... I'm not sure that's going to be Perry's strongest pillar. He has been much more like McCain and Bush on immigration than Jan Brewer. He also wants a guest worker program with IDs for illegals because he doesn't know how many illegals are in Texas.

216 211 Curmudgeon,

NONE of the candidates are willing openly to say what they really feel on "the hardest working 'almost' Americans"....

I will blindly support the first candidate that openly says he will engage in Mexican style immigration enforcement in reverse.

217 215 Miss 80's Baby,

yeah "attack" sure has worked for bambi hasn't it....

no seriously I WANT him to "come out swinging" shrill don't sell babe

218
The Democrats sink to a new low...every passing day.

219 Posted by: maverick muse at August 31, 2011 11:01 AM (lpWVn)

Well, when "they" is: Democrats, the ACLU, La Raza, and Paulbots (we'll ignore the Palinistas, at the moment, but I don't think particularly highly of them, either) you're pretty well right.  If all those people hate someone, I'm predisposed to like them.

220 218 Allen G,

or "Democrats: because the entire state REALLY should be as well ran as detroit"

221
uh oh, but what if Gov Snyder's jobs-plan works?

oops, I mean "jobs plan."

222 he may be "the most electable" candidate we have,

Don't rile Vic while he's under.

223
They're mocking Gov Snyder's ""jobs plan"" while Obama has one "plan" for everything: Blame Bush and Spend, Spend, Spend.

224 He also wants a guest worker program with IDs for illegals because he doesn't know how many illegals are in Texas.

Primary source on that, please.  I know he's said he wouldn't mind a "path to citizenship" after securing the border.  I'd not heard he actively wants an ID'd guest worker program.

225

It's obvious who you support. Wrap nearby things in plastic so they're easier to clean when your head explodes, mmmmmkay?

No, you condescending asshole, it's not obvious who I support. But I do believe in the 11th Commandment--not speaking ill of a fellow republican--unless a candidate does something that is so wretchedly RINO (Romney) or so moonbat (Paul). Those who join in the smearing Sarah fest are liberal media stooges.

I haven't decided who I'll support yet, though among the current declared choices it will most likely be Perry.

At this point it probably *is* Perry. I just want him -- and the whole GOP -- to tell their Wall Street Journal greedhead wing to shut up. (And Lindsey Graham, fuck you too).

226 219 >>Let's see, that's such a difficult choice. To pick a governor who is actually having to deal with illegals or one who doesn't know how many there are in her state. Hmmm...

I'm not sure that's going to be Perry's strongest pillar. He has been much more like McCain and Bush on immigration than Jan Brewer.

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He's been somewhere in between, I agree.  We probably disagree about what end of the spectrum Perry is on. 

Jan Brewer is not running.  Which candidate is running who has an immigration policy that would satisfy you?  To my knowledge, none of them are perfect on immigration.  Certainly none of the viable candidates are. 

Romney points to vetoing in-state tuition in Massachusetts but that's one thing, it's not a strategy or plan.  Perry had a veto-proof bill presented to him.  Sure, I wish he had not signed it, but it would not have changed the outcome. 

227 Hmmm...Berkshire Hathaway owes one billion in back taxes. 

228 221 215 Miss 80's Baby,

yeah "attack" sure has worked for bambi hasn't it....

no seriously I WANT him to "come out swinging" shrill don't sell babe


His only reason to hope this time is that people love him more than they do Congress. This is how he'll frame it:

"One White House official cautioned that ObamaÂ’s jobs speech will not be a 'fire-breathing' partisan speech. But the official said the president will be putting Congress on notice: Help him create jobs or get hammered as extremists more interested in playing politics."

229
209

My Spidey-sense tells me part of that has been altered.

230 >>Primary source on that, please. I know he's said he wouldn't mind a "path to citizenship" after securing the border. I'd not heard he actively wants an ID'd guest worker program. The primary source is Rick Perry. http://tinyurl.com/44nh9l5

231 Well, it hasn't been said for a while, but Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. 

232

Well, when "they" is: Democrats, the ACLU, La Raza, and Paulbots

Which of these things is not like the other on immigration? As moonbatty as the Paul foreign policy is, he is no open border greedhead or immigration romantic. If anything, his isolationism is "Fortress America" Pat Buchanan like.

233 Hmmm...Berkshire Hathaway owes one billion in back taxes. 

Lemme see what I've got in between the couch cushions.

234
Call that bluff!

Obama is the one imposing thousands of job-killing regulations, not to mention Obamacare.

235 Perry is a career politician with no business background. That another candidate who is not a career politician and is foremost a businessman points that out is not outrageous. If Perry points out that other candidates don't have his military background is that out of bounds? You guys feed on your hate.

236
Waterhouse,

fake but accurate.

237 232 Miss 80s baby,

"good luck SCoaMF"

all it takes is Boehner explaining that the last time Bambi got a blank check he swore that the trillion would put it below 8% and it is 9.1 and climbing.....

then highlight shit like bambi's EPA wanting to outlaw farming and restrict any new industrial growth with insane precautionary principle based hypochondrial overregulation.....

give HARD examples of EPA and DoI and DoJ overreach....

if bambi runs against congress we gain more seats I'll lay money on it

238 Last week we speculated here whether Barry asked Warren Buffet to invest in BofA in order to prop it up since failure of BofA would more than likely cause the economy to plummet.  I wonder what Buffet thinks of this news.  Untimely to say the least.  I wonder if he is as much of a DOOM connoisseur as we are?  Maybe heÂ’ll become a moronÂ… you knowÂ… instead of an idiot.  

239 Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2011 11:08 AM (TMB3S)

Okay, can't watch at work.  I'll have to try to remember to do so at home tonight.

As I recall, he'd changed his tune by 2008, because (again) the Texas voters said "Oh hell no."  He certainly wasn't okay with a guest worker program (including ID) during this past legislative session.

Now, whether that matters to you depends on whether you believe he was already planning to run for President (I don't think so, but I'm not a mind reader) or not.  If you do, then he was probably just "positioning" for his run.  Otherwise, he should get credit for a genuine (and possibly politically costly, here in Texas) change of heart.

240

Let's see, that's such a difficult choice.  To pick a governor who is actually having to deal with illegals or one who doesn't know how many there are in her state.  Hmmm...

Like Perry honestly knows how many there are either?

As if Perry lifted a finger during his epic 10 years as Governor, not to mention those as a Legislator, to get the GOP sponsored House passed bills a Senate vote, to pass Voter Photo ID requirement. Au contraire. He enacted TX Dream Act for illegals. But a sternly written letter suffices his fans. Perry/McCain! 

241
Holy shit, all you have to do ask business owners why they aren't hiring.

None of them will say it's because of Republicans in Congress.

242 >>Romney points to vetoing in-state tuition in Massachusetts but that's one thing, it's not a strategy or plan. Perry had a veto-proof bill presented to him. Sure, I wish he had not signed it, but it would not have changed the outcome. Romney was also one of the first governors to have his state police work with INS. That was part of the strategy. Vetoing instate tuition for Illegals was another part. Romney had an 85% liberal legislature, much more combative than Perry did, so his victories are even more impressive. Go look at what Perry actually proposed. He didn't just have legislation wind up on his desk. He proposed it.

243
Really?

This shit again, today?

244 239 Soothsayer,

EXACTLY what barry will be doing is exposing every downticket Dem as complicit in his EPA three card monte game....

then Issa and Boner will play hardball on F&F and Gunrunner and the President allowing Mexican federales to stage out of El paso to hit the narcotraficantes....

he'll be done...we have Barry cornered all he can do is pray Acorn plants him a mighty tree of fraud

245
A little later Ace will probably post yet another one of his "Palin Might Be Running" posts.

And we'll have the same arguments all over again. Who cares? There's a lotta other shit we can waste our time on.

246 243 HtP,

yeah Buffet has shot his wad as well....Soros has yanked his money because he sees losing bets quick....

next time someone brings up buffet table tell him "hell yeah he wants your taxes raised...he doesn't pay his own"

247
then Issa and Boner will play hardball on F&F and Gunrunner and the President allowing Mexican federales to stage out of El paso to hit the narcotraficantes....

We can only hope.

248 Whoops, DoJ has filed to block AT&T's acquisition of T-Mobile. Wonder what the markets will think of that.

249 240 Perry is a career politician with no business background. That another candidate who is not a career politician and is foremost a businessman points that out is not outrageous. If Perry points out that other candidates don't have his military background is that out of bounds? You guys feed on your hate.

How do you get "hate" out of my comments or AllenG's, polynikes?  Seriously, come down off of the ledge. 

Romney is pretty much a career politician, too, btw. It's just that he doesn't win every election he enters. 

250 I didn't read the post.  Is Obama still President?

251 Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 31, 2011 11:09 AM (ujg0T)

I judge a man by the qualities of his enemies, as much as by the qualities of his friends.  The Paulbots are his enemies.  I wasn't referring directly to immigration with my comment.

Posted by: polynikes at August 31, 2011 11:10 AM (s0uvO)

We never said it was "out of bounds" we said it was humorous.  You see, I think (and some here agree with me) that the only reason Mitt Romney wasn't a "career politician" was that he failed to get elected, not because he didn't want to be.

And, as an executive in Government, which is more important: knowing how to run a business, or knowing how to run a government in such a way that businesses can do their thing?  Those are two different knowledge bases and skill sets.

252 For a mere $6 donation, I will contemplate the deliciousness that would be the impeachment of Barack Obama.  For every $6,000 raised, I will devote an entire hour to imagining the euphoria  I would feel if Barack Obama were impeached.  For a limited time only, if you increase your donation to $10, I will also visualize his removal from office.

So act now!  Together we can visualize the end of the Obama administration.

Send your money to WalrusRex c/o WalrusRex Thinks Obama Should Go Project,
America, USA.

253
btw, Mr Speaker needs to condemn Rep Carson's ugly statements and demand an apology.

That shit cannot be ignored.

254 >>As I recall, he'd changed his tune by 2008, because (again) the Texas voters said "Oh hell no." He certainly wasn't okay with a guest worker program (including ID) during this past legislative session. Perry seems to have benefited more than once from a legislature and a citizenry that said Oh Hell No to a bunch of his ideas. Interesting that when Perry changes his position it's categorized as "changing his tune" but if Romney does it its a gutless flip flop because he wanted to run for the presidency. Perry's is a pretty solid candidate but I his record does not match the hype.

255

>>A little later Ace will probably post yet another one of his "Palin Might Be Running" posts.And we'll have the same arguments all over again. Who cares? There's a lotta other shit we can waste our time on.

Well, it is a legitimate topic until she decides to get in or stay out, don't you think?

 

256 You guys feed on your hate.

I feed on Javan rhinoceros steaks and the tears of baby seals.

257 See NLRB-Boeing for just one example.

And get your fucking shine box.

Posted by: Waterhouse

 

sonofabitch I just spit coffee onto my keyboard!!

258 I feed on Javan rhinoceros steaks and the tears of baby seals. Posted by: Waterhouse at August 31, 2011 11:17 AM (OK/vv) Just the tears? Pussy.

259 Posted by: formerly known as cherry pi at August 31, 2011 11:16 AM (OhYCU)

Unfortunately, yes, Barack Obama, a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure if ever there was one, is still the President.

260
No, Ben, not really.

The topic is not "news" and has been flogged to death.

It's a dead horse.

261 As if Perry lifted a finger during his epic 10 years as Governor, not to mention those as a Legislator, to get the GOP sponsored House passed bills a Senate vote, to pass Voter Photo ID requirement.

Perry signed a voter ID bill into law in May. 

Look, I'm with AllenG.  Perry is not as strong on illegal aliens as I would like, but I am still waiting to hear who is stronger amongst our suite of available candidates. 

262 next time someone brings up buffet table tell him "hell yeah he wants your taxes raised...he doesn't pay his own"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2011 11:14 AM (AEIYh)

That article pretty much implies that Buffet might just as well burned that $5 billion dollars in BofA.  If Barry did ask him to intervene, I wonder how he fees about that now?

263

>>>No, Ben, not really.The topic is not "news" and has been flogged to death.t's a dead horse.

Even if it's rumored that she will make some sort of announcement on September 3rd in Iowa?

I can understand the Palin's attributes and shortcomings argument has been flogged to death, but I think whether or now she decides to get in is legitimate news and we're about 3 days from getting some sort of decision.

So while I agree that there Palin Pros and Cons argument is tired and old, news of her entry or not are legitimate.

264

He also wants a guest worker program with IDs for illegals because he doesn't know how many illegals are in Texas.

Nice try.

Let's get something out of the way first--we have a guest worker program, they are called H visas and tons of them are issued legally every year for agricultural workers (H2A's).  An ID for those folks is a great idea.

The thing you are trying rather pitifully to conflate JackStraw is that Perry favors illegal immigration--because....he doesn't know how many illegals are in Texas.  Outside of the Almighty--WHO DOES?

265
We've commented at least ten times on the speculation of Sarah Palin's candidacy.

What ground have we not covered?

266 Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2011 11:17 AM (TMB3S)

I guess, to me, the difference is "what did he do about it."

Also the perception of why.  Again, based on things Perry said in interviews, he had no intention of running for President until just a couple of months ago.  If you believe that (and I do), then his pushing for the Voter ID bill in this legislative session (as well as pushing for the Sanctuary Cities bill) are potentially damaging to his political career, because they alienate (rightly or not) Hispanic voters.

What did Romney change position on, that he then made an actual stand on the new position? (Really, honest question here).

I've said before that Rick Perry isn't strong enough on the border for me.  He is stronger than any Democrat would be, and a better choice than the other candidates in other ways- thus, he's my guy.

267 "One White House official cautioned that ObamaÂ’s jobs speech will not be a 'fire-breathing' partisan speech. But the official said the president will be putting Congress on notice: Help him create jobs or get hammered as extremists more interested in playing politics."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 31, 2011 11:08 AM (o2lIv)

Blackmail, pure and simple.  "Go along with what I want, or I will slander you."  The scary thing is, there will be spineless GOP members that will go along with Obama on whatever his "plan" is out of fear that someone will call them a bad name.  Someone needs to step up and call the left out on this meme and their agenda. 

268 Article on Perry signing voter ID law.

BTW, although I've been away from Texas for over a decade (we lived there in the late 90s), I am bothered by this characterization of Texas as firmly red.  It simply is not as red a state as, for example, Utah is.  There is a strong Democrat party there, so to act as if Perry can get every conservative thing passed is ludicrous. 

It really irritates me. My recollection of Texas was that it was a mixed political environment, a welcome change after living in (suffering in) Boston for several years. 

So here in Utah, which is redder than red, they passed in-state tuition for illegals.  And our illegals can get driving privileges cards.  The whole shebang.  It's disappointing that my governor signed it, but he's been a very good governor in most respects, so c'est la guerre. 

269 by the way one of the nice side effects of the coming of a "second American republic" vis a vis Fwance would be a Constitutional Amendment ending fiat regulation and requiring actual law and jurisprudence to make rules....

270

The thing you are trying rather pitifully to conflate JackStraw is that Perry favors illegal immigration--because....he doesn't know how many illegals are in Texas.  Outside of the Almighty--WHO DOES?

But apparently, this is to be held against Sarah Palin but not against Rick Perry. Hmmm.....

271

>>>Look, I'm with AllenG. Perry is not as strong on illegal aliens as I would like, but I am still waiting to hear who is stronger amongst our suite of available candidates. 

Indeed,There is no perfect candidate, they all have flaws and no one really agrees with anyone else 100%.

But if the argument is that Perry isn't conservative enough, well then who in the primaries is conservative enough and electable.

I understand there are people who want Romney to win, and for the record I don't hate Romney, but I think you're making the wrong argument against Perry.

If your argument is that Perry isn't conservative enough and you convince me of that, do you think I'll jump behind Romney who is even less conservative?  I just don't understand that line of reasoning.

272
Blackmail, pure and simple. "Go along with what I want, or I will slander you."

Which, we all know, is gonna happen, anyway.

/Lucy

/football

273 Oh Vic, be well.  All my good thoughts and prayers to you.



That unemployed woman needs a good knock upside the head.  Everything changes lady and you have to roll with it in this economy.  This is why I changed professions and am currently studying to become credentialed as a medical coder and medical records supervisor.  Quit whining and DO something. I'm 50 years old and have learned to make lemonade out of lemons.  Every day you are above ground is a good day.

I really, really hate these people who wallow in the "oh woe is me" attitude.

274

 If you believe that (and I do), then his pushing for the Voter ID bill in this legislative session (as well as pushing for the Sanctuary Cities bill) are potentially damaging to his political career, because they alienate (rightly or not) Hispanic voters.

Perhaps Rick Perry understands the "Rule Of Anyway"? If so, there is hope for him.

"Rule Of Anyway" = when afraid to take a stand on an issue because "it will alienate ethnic or labor group X", just understand that the leadership of said group will only hate and vote against the GOP candidate anyway.

275 @ maverick muse, Sorry for the late reply. Fuckin' boss had me working 20 minutes without a break! Somebody should do something about that guy. Anyway, I disagree most vehemently with you. I AM a failed business owner. It wasn't the fault of Big Politics, Big Insurance or Big Banking that caused my restaurant to go under. It was MY fault. When you plan a new venture, you try to eliminate as many of the unknowns as possible. You survey your market for population, adjusted gross income, buying habits, etc. You look at similar businesses to see how they fare in your market. But you will have to make some assumptions. You can't game out all the risk. When those assumptions are wrong, you lose. The bank, my insurer, politicians didn't make those decisions. I did. No one can MAKE you fail. Economic downturns happen. You have to have a plan for that. And no one is coming to help you. So get drunk, feel sorry for yourself for a bit, then get the fuck back to work.

276 he doesn't know how many illegals are in Texas.  Outside of the Almighty--WHO DOES?

But apparently, this is to be held against Sarah Palin but not against Rick Perry. Hmmm.....

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That's my fault.

I was using that to illustrate that Palin never had to even think about the issue as governor of Alaska. 

And, of course, she supports a path to citizenship.  Not that it matters, because she is not a candidate. 

277
Breaking news...

TRENTON (AP) -- Gov Chris Christie on Monday farted in the general direction of New Hampshire. Some experts say it is a sign that the New Jersey governor is considering a run at the White House.

Discuss.

278

Fifty seven percent DISapproval.  DIS – approval.  Kind of just goes right to the edge, and then swan dives off the end of the tongue.  Plus – uninstalling Obama – kinda cool.   Great idea.

279 283 Breaking news... TRENTON (AP) -- Gov Chris Christie on Monday farted in the general direction of New Hampshire. Some experts say it is a sign that the New Jersey governor is considering a run at the White House. Discuss. Posted by: soothsayer at August 31, 2011 11:28 AM (G/zuv) People in northern New Jersey hardest hit.

280 177

I'm getting really fed up with all the cries of racism being spewed from the black left.  All the while it seems orchestrated that black gangs are running rampant attacking, robbing, and intimidating at will.  It almost seems that someone wants a race war. 

They do--and they expect their apparatchik media to cover for them. This has worked in the past, but I think people are fed up.

I am waiting for Bernard Goetz 2.0 to appear and turn a few "flash mob" members into rendering plant material.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 31, 2011 10:43 AM (ujg0T)

I posted about a week ago about my work-related research regarding flash mobs and rioting in North America.

A race war is exactly what they want, and they think they'll get it once the first looter is shot.  They might be right if the shooter fits the "expected" profile. It's a knife's edge right now.

281 @283
This is a clear sign that he is running. 
It is also a sign that he no longer believes in global warming. 

282

Yeah, Steyn makes me want to down the pills while Dalrymple makes me want to slit my throat.  Dooooooooooomed. 

Dalrymple should be regarded as Britian's Solzhenitsyn, chronicalling the toll more gradual rot cradle to grave socialism takes on a once great people. And the rot is pretty extensive, as we've seen recently.

283
Obama 2012
He Understands That You're Frustrated

.

284 >>What did Romney change position on, that he then made an actual stand on the new position? (Really, honest question here). Gay marriage for one. People misinterpret what happened here all the time. Texas has a lot of Hispanics so I understand why any politician in Texas, not just Perry, has to be, er, flexible in his positions. Well MA has a large gay population and and overwhelmingly liberal base. So you get politicians, not just Romney who cater to that during elections as Romney did when he said he would support gay rights. Note, he didn't say gay marriage. But when it came time to fight the issue Romney fought hard, even against the state SC who ruled for the gays. But it rarely gets reported that way. Instead, it gets reported that Romney supported gay marriage. Not true. His reported flip flops have always been less meat and more smoke. I've said forever that you have to judge a politician by the environment they have governed in not just on the record. What would float in MA won't in Texas and vica vversa. I like Romney better than Perry but I'll support whichever wins the primary. But Perry's record is about to undergo serious examination and he is going to explain his positions to a much greater degree than he ever has.

285 259
btw, Mr Speaker needs to condemn Rep Carson's ugly statements and demand an apology.

That shit cannot be ignored.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 31, 2011 11:16 AM (G/zuv)

Sure, it can be ignored!  We've spent years ignoring this kind of stuff.  We've been trained to accept these kinds of abuses and not utter a word.  A race monger these days has it made, isn't that right Mr Sharpton?   

286 There is a strong Democrat party there, so to act as if Perry can get every conservative thing passed is ludicrous.
Posted by: Y-not at August 31, 2011 11:23 AM (5H6zj)

Not as strong as it used to be, but there are Legislative rules and traditions that give the minority party a fair amount of power, now matter how in the minority they are.

Among those (that a lot of conservatives hate at the moment, though they didn't hate it when we were in the minority in the Leg) is that, in the State House, committee chairs are divided proportionately between the parties.

That is, if Rs hold 60 percent of the seats, they Chair 60 percent of the committees, but the Ds get the other 40 percent.

The Democrats were very good about this while they held the majority, so Speaker Strousse (sp?) has been doing the same thing.  That gives them a lot of power, since it means they can kill bills in committee essentially by fiat.

287

Finally!  A courageous dem congressperson steps up to light a fire under the economy. 

Massive fire.  Like magnesium. White phosphorous maybe.  DOOMy in nature.

288 If your argument is that Perry isn't conservative enough and you convince me of that, do you think I'll jump behind Romney who is even less conservative?  I just don't understand that line of reasoning.

The reasoning is based on the faulty premise that everyone believes Romney is the smartest and most capable candidate, but that some of us just can't get past his squishy nature.  So if they prove the other candidates are just as squishy, we'll all flock to Romney.

289
Obama 2012
Don't Stop Thinking About 1,460 Tomorrows From Now

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290 294 Bevel,

another poster pointed out that Mitt lost to Tedster back in '94....

ponder that a sec...the wave couldn't carry Mitt to scott brown land....

I'm pretty sure upon considering that an hour I am done with Mitt like I am with mccain....

if i want to elect a democrat I'll vote democrat

291 ATTENTION: a broken link is in the 'bloggers in arms' listing. The URL for charmaine yoest is missing the "http://".

292
I thought Maxine Waters was in the middle of her own scandal?

293 I thought Maxine Waters was in the middle of her own scandal?

A Democrat in a scandal?  Never happen.

294

>>>>The reasoning is based on the faulty premise that everyone believes Romney is the smartest and most capable candidate, but that some of us just can't get past his squishy nature. So if they prove the other candidates are just as squishy, we'll all flock to Romney.

Hm. I'll buy that. It makes more sense anyway.

 

 

295
Obama's threat to slander Republicans in Congress reminds me of the SOTU address last January.

I'm glad the Republicans took time from lynching blacks to sat next to Democrats to show unity and civility.

296 "the models didnÂ’t predict the financial crisis and gave little guidance to policymakers,"

Prolly because this is not really a recession; this is a financial collapse caused by the actions of the policymakers. We won't "recover" until the Congress and The One roll back all the decades of interference they have wrought.

When the government solar factories are shut down and Gibson can make guitars again and I can buy a real light bulb, we will be in recovery.

I'm not holding my breath.

297  posted about a week ago about my work-related research regarding flash mobs and rioting in North America.

A race war is exactly what they want, and they think they'll get it once the first looter is shot.  They might be right if the shooter fits the "expected" profile. It's a knife's edge right now.

Honestly, I think looters shot are just what we need. Weakness and appeasement encourage them. Looters and muggers and rapists and murderers getting shot sends a message and forces the race hustlers back into their "academic" cubbyholes. From there, we just need targeted budget cuts and a revived Un-American Activities Committee to hunt them down in academia.

298

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 31, 2011 11:37 AM (jx2j9)

Says Maxine Waters...

The Congressional Black Caucus is trying to help by organizing job fairs across the country. Congresswoman Maxine Waters also wants to help by putting more pressure on the big banks to help with mortgages.

“If they don’t come up with loan modifications and keep people in their homes that they’ve worked so hard for, we’re going to tax them out of business,” said Waters.

In a sane world, a statement like this not should be prosecuted.  Intimidation?  Blackmail?  What if a conservative said something like this? 

299 -Last night I was robbed by a black guy and a white trash guy. With Democrats just its during the daylight hours.

-Sorry not time to respond looking for a new place to live.

Any connection between these two?  (And happy hunting regardless...)

300
If Maxine Waters and the CBC try to even attempt to carry out her threat, she should be charged with extortion and RICO charges.

301 btw, Mr Speaker needs to condemn Rep Carson's ugly statements and demand an apology.

That shit cannot be ignored.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 31, 2011 11:16 AM (G/zuv)

WashPo is saying he's standing by his remarks.  It is an absolute imperative that the Tea Party be marginalized.  The pendulum cannot be allowed to swing back to the right.  Right now, left leaning Republicans, or even those who used to be blue dogs are defined as extremist right wingers.  This demonization of the Tea Party is just getting warmed up.  Alinsky would be proud.

302 >>The reasoning is based on the faulty premise that everyone believes Romney is the smartest and most capable candidate, but that some of us just can't get past his squishy nature. So if they prove the other candidates are just as squishy, we'll all flock to Romney. I have no desire to change your or anyone else's mind. You are all smart people and capable of making them up on your own. All I'm doing is putting facts out. You will hear then eventually, it's not like Perry's record is a big secret. It also helps to have context. The latest one I've heard is that Romney lost to Kennedy by 17 points. Very true. It's also true that it was the closest loss Kennedy ever had. Romney was actually tied with the fat bastard during the summer but got hammered by the Kennedy machine and it was over. All in all a pretty good showing for a first time candidate for anything against the most potent Democratic machine in the US. Some people look at Perry and see him as a conservative superstar. I see a capable politician who's record was greatly enhanced by the state he governed. But that's why we have primaries.

303

curmudgeon

 

my parents told me when i was just a little girl.......there was nothing lower than a looter and...looters will be shot......no exceptions..........i've taught my kids the same thing...........

304

Excuse the rudeness of this post but -

Watched some dumb ass bitch with a morning show on CNN this morninf, showing all of the suffering in the hurricane areas, and didn't hear mention of FEMA or the presidunce one time. Also noticed no one demanding free debit cards for big screens and strip clubs.  

305 I've said before that Rick Perry isn't strong enough on the border for me.  He is stronger than any Democrat would be, and a better choice than the other candidates in other ways- thus, he's my guy.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 31, 2011 11:22 AM

One thing to note about Perry: In the Gardasil issue -- the one that has Michelle "my way or the highway" Malkin's knickers in an ungodly tight twist -- and that cross-Texas transit corridor fiasco, Perry has had the guts to admit he was wrong. He accepted the will of the voters with good grace, and then moved on.

If the public makes its opposition to Perry's border policies (whatever they may be; it's hard to tell when you look at facts and not what the pro- and con forces are saying) clear, there's a chance the same thing will happen.

It seems Perry is capable of learning from his mistakes. Can't say that about most politicians.

306 @267 - Right now we've got an administration that's basically a national autoimmune disorder.  We have the Eric Holders and the Lisa Jacksons using the bureaucracy against the country.

I don't want a perfect candidate.  I want an electable candidate with a solid track record and who's right on the most critical issues.

I'm cautiously enthusiastic about Perry, tolerant of Mitt, no one else in the field clears the first hurdle.   I'm more concerned about Mitt's hesitant politically-enforced conversion to CAGW skepticism than I am about Perry's supposed squishiness on immigration. 

307 "Talk about not learning from past mistakes: A government department is again intimidating banks into lending to minority borrowers at below-market rates, all in the name of combating "discrimination."

Now, why is this a "mistake"?

308

Maxine (burn LA burn) Waters deserves a treason trial. Followed by a choice of execution or deportation to the African Motherland Utopia of her choice.

309 313 Acorn,

EXACTLY this is a feature of the Ogabe administration not a bug my friend.

310

ot

 

i wonder if chaz bono will have the audacity to scratch or adjust its fake nuts on  tv.....................

311
It is an absolute imperative that the Tea Party be marginalized.

More like maligned and vilified.

When your base has 20-25% unemployment and have lived in perpetual squalor, you point your finger at the "real enemy." In this case, it's the Tea Party.

312 Posted by: MrScribbler at August 31, 2011 11:52 AM (YjjrR)

The main reason I'm not too concerned about Perry's immigration stance is that he has been a solid "secure the border" guy (albeit, not specifically to curtail illegal immigration) for a long time.  If he want's to secure the border because of drugs and violence and such, and, as a side effect, it's harder to immigrate illegally, I'm fine with that.

Same effect, different reasoning.

313 306
If Maxine Waters and the CBC try to even attempt to carry out her threat, she should be charged with extortion and RICO charges.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 31, 2011 11:50 AM (G/zuv)

Even if she doesn't carry out the threat, the threat alone should be enough to prosecute her on charges.  Who's to say that future bank actions and decisions will not now be based upon the risk of the threat.  This kind of race mongering ignorant trash needs to be tossed into history's garbage dump.

314

Perry has called for Predator Drones on the border, and has stated there will be no immigration reform until the border is secured. Also, he just sent the feds a bill for Texas's costs to apprehend illegal aliens.

Just don't see him as pro open borders as many of the mittens fans do.

315 Sorry to hear about you're troubles Vic .
I'm way late with my best wishes for a speedy recovery but you hang in there buddy .

316
If I recall, Maxine Waters is in hot water for steering TARP funds to her husband's benefit.

Yes, no?

She's the LAST person who should be talking about extorting banks.

317 @318 - Agreed.

Whereas Mitt's conversion to AGW skepticism is pretty much 100% politically calculated, and I wouldn't bet a dime on his willingness to cut headcount at the EPA or walk back this administration's CAFE and energy regulatory shenanigans.

318 Honestly, I think looters shot are just what we need. Weakness and appeasement encourage them.

The last word in ann Coulter's book Demonic about the left's use of the mob to retain power is "overreact."  I tend to agree.

319 About the only thing Rick Perry could do to make me like him more (for president) is start ignoring stupid Federal rulings and inform people in Texas that the Federal Courts have no say on anything not mentioned in the constitution (this sonogram bill, among others).

He's a big 10th amendment guy, but I'd love for him to show he really means to cut the Federal Government back to its constitutional limits (or, at least, start the process).

320

WashPo is saying he's standing by his remarks.  It is an absolute imperative that the Tea Party be marginalized.  The pendulum cannot be allowed to swing back to the right.  Right now, left leaning Republicans, or even those who used to be blue dogs are defined as extremist right wingers.  This demonization of the Tea Party is just getting warmed up.  Alinsky would be proud.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 31, 2011 11:51 AM (jx2j9)

I think it's time for another march.  This time, instead of confining it to the Mall, I suggest waiting until Congress is in session, and then surrounding the Hill and the White House.  Silently.  Just looking at the buildings, en masse.  No speakers, no leaders, no fucking politicians.  No interviews with the media, except to retort that the media already understands the message if they would have the honesty to report it.

Just ordinary Americans in a large group, watching and surrounding them for several days. 

321 OT Scott AFB on lockdown because of suspicious package

322 Posted by: grognard at August 31, 2011 12:03 PM (NS2Mo)

That would be awesome.
I wonder if we could get someone to organize that.

323
uh oh, a coloring book is offensive to Muslim terrorists!

"The book includes pictures of defining moments from the September 11th attacks. Some say pictures like one showing a bullet heading toward Osama Bin Laden hiding behind a woman are inappropriate. "It's called a graphic coloring novel, graphic meaning from the print industry graphics like a graphic comic book, it doesn't mean graphic pictures like blood and guts and bones that's not it at all," said Bell [the publisher].

Some are also criticizing the book for what they feel is a depiction that all Muslims are terrorists. "I don't see that Islam is like terrorize people, I mean we live peacefully we want peace," says Farhana Hough who lives in Southwest Charlotte."

324

I see a capable politician who's record was greatly enhanced by the state he governed.

Lame.  Lamer.  Lamest.

Being governor of ANY state is not an autopilot exercise.  You can't have it both ways, you know--Texas cannot be simultaneoulsy an uncultured backwater and a smoothly running capitalist machine regardless of the chief executive.

325
Patty Murray, the idiot in tennis shoes, just called me and said,

"I think it would be more appropriate to show images of Osama bin Laden building schools and hospitals."

326 I didn't read the post.  Is Obama still President?

Posted by: formerly known as cherry pi

LOL

327 328 Posted by: grognard at August 31, 2011 12:03 PM (NS2Mo)

That would be awesome.
I wonder if we could get someone to organize that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 31, 2011 12:05 PM (8y9MW)

I think Americans are ready to do it, it just needs a date and publicity. That means a big name saying they'll be in the crowd, but not speaking or organizing.

No official organizers = no permits.  Who are they going to arrest?  

The message is that several hundred thousand average unarmed Americans could instantly overwhelm Congress and the White House and physically remove the offenders, and there isn't a damn thing they can do to stop it, so they had better get back on the side of the people.

328 Just what I needed -- more DOOM.
Right after reading THIS.

329 Is there some mechanism that can be used to force members of congress to appear for medical and/or psychological evaluation, because Andre Carson either needs meds, is off his meds, or needs to be censured for being an imbecile.

330 The question that comes to mind is this:  How much squishy RINO liberal BS can you tolerate in a presidential nominee?  Perry is tolerable, Gingrich, Romney, Huntsman and friends are not.

331 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 31, 2011 11:27 AM (p/mfs)

Not arguing against self determination and hard work. "By the sweat of thy brow"...

332 That would be awesome.
I wonder if we could get someone to organize that.

Hey, I have an idea.  Let's not use the organizers of that Tea Party event in Iowa!  Boy do they seem like a bunch of incompetents. 

333

Huntsman

Charlie Crist is now an independent.

334 I think it's time for another march.  This time, instead of confining it to the Mall, I suggest waiting until Congress is in session, and then surrounding the Hill and the White House.  Silently.  Just looking at the buildings, en masse.  No speakers, no leaders, no fucking politicians.  No interviews with the media, except to retort that the media already understands the message if they would have the honesty to report it.

Just ordinary Americans in a large group, watching and surrounding them for several days. 

Posted by: grognard at August 31, 2011 12:03 PM (NS2Mo)

Brilliant idea!!!

335 Posted by: jwb7605 at August 31, 2011 12:10 PM (+KHIt)

bwaaaa-hahahahaha.

That's fantastic (not for those workers, of course, but in the aggregate).

I live in North Central Texas.  West Texas gets wind.  South Texas gets rain (usually).  We get sun.  So, for me, solar panels on my roof would not be a bad investment (well, if they're not too expensive, that is: right now, they're too expensive).  But solar energy is never going to be enough to replace fossil fuels, and solar panels are not good investments for everybody (Portland, OR, anyone?  Or Seattle, WA?).

Why is this hard to understand?

336 Perry signed a voter ID bill into law in May. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 31, 2011 11:19 AM (5H6zj) 

You are deluded to credit Perry if denying that his repeated attempts to squish by without signing were at long last defeated by his opponents from the TX Tea Party forcing his hand to get a Senate vote despite Perry/Dewhurst sabotage.

337 I like grognard's idea of someone (Rush, maybe?  Beck?  Palin?  All of the above?) just saying that "On Wednesday, September whatever through Friday, September whatever + 2, I will be standing just outside the Capitol Building in Washington, DC to let all our elected officials know I'm watching them.  No parade, no speeches, no events.  Anyone who wishes to join me is welcome."

338 As most of you know, I consider the WaPo's Ezra Klein to be the equivalent of an organ grinder's monkey in a little red vest and a fez

I'm not reading the entire comments section, but in case no one has mentioned it.......

RACIST!!!!!!

339
Obama 2012:
I isn't done fucking shit up

340
speaking of chimps, which I hate...

Why don't we round them up and put them to work? Put them on energy-generating bicycles.

It's like slavery, yes. But I don't think the chimps would mind.

341 >>Being governor of ANY state is not an autopilot exercise. You can't have it both ways, you know--Texas cannot be simultaneoulsy an uncultured backwater and a smoothly running capitalist machine regardless of the chief executive. Ok. Then why don't you list the bold economic policies that helped jump start the smooth running capitalist machine. Did he introduce the concept of no state taxes in Texas or was that in place before he got there? Did he propose cutting fees or did he introduce the idea of a massive new highway system with tolls (taxes, fees, call them whatever you want). Did he put the oil under the ground which is the source of most private sector job growth in Texas and other oil and gas states? >The oil and gas industry produced about 55 percent of all new jobs in Texas (directly and indirectly) since late 2009, according to the latest Texas Petro Index (TPI) released on April 26 at the Texas Alliance of Energy Producers Expo and 81st annual meeting in Wichita Falls. http://tinyurl.com/3fz7z4z Why do some of you get so shrill when the facts are pointed out about your favorite candidate? I never said Texas was an uncultured backwater, you did. I never said I don't like Perry, I said he was my second choice and I would support him if he got the nomination. So what's Perry going to do if he actually wins the presidency? Put oil under the ground everywhere or remove oil and gas restrictions which is pretty much the de facto Republican position. Is he going to repeal the federal income tax or fight for lower rates which again is what all Republican are fighting for. Think any Republican is going to put in Cap and Trade or any agw legislation? Think again. The agenda for the next 4 years for any Republican president is set, cut taxes, cut the deficit and the debt, repeal Obamacare and get the economy moving. The only argument is who is the best position to get elected not just nominated and best implement the policies we want.

342
People still use horses to pull shit, ya?

Why not buy a chimp for your house to generate electricity?

343
We put cats to work by catching mice.

344 "...TX Tea Party forcing his hand to get a Senate vote despite Perry/Dewhurst sabotage."

That would be the sabotage where the first time he vetoed it, he said "Hey, change this stuff so we can get it past the SCOTUS, otherwise it'll just get over-turned," and then, when they tried to pass the exact same bill this session said, "Hey, guys, I don't want to veto that again, please fix it so I can sign it?"  That sabotage.

MM, I know you don't like Rick Perry.  Despite your protestations, it's obvious he annoys you, but he does deserve credit.  It was not a veto-proof majority that voted for it, and Rick Perry had great incentive (if such was his wish) to veto it (again) on grounds that it might not pass SCOTUS muster.  He didn't.  They fixed the problems he (really, Greg Abbott) had with it, and he signed it.  He also pushed the Sanctuary Cities bill into the emergency session, something no one would have blamed him for not doing.

345
We use dogs to guide the visually challenged.

346 Just what I needed -- more DOOM.
Right after reading THIS.

It's almost as if green energy and green jobs were a pipe dream of a bunch of out of touch fanatics.

347
Then again, maybe we should be careful with chimps.

Because that's how the planet of the apes began.

348

You are deluded to credit Perry if denying that his repeated attempts to squish by without signing were at long last defeated by his opponents from the TX Tea Party forcing his hand to get a Senate vote despite Perry/Dewhurst sabotage.
-----

You'll have to back up that assertion.  From what I see, Perry facilitated getting the thing passed by calling it an emergency item. 

But I see that at least you are not in the "Perry as governor of Texas has no power" camp.  Instead, everything wrong with Texas is his fault. 

From the article I linked:
Gov. Rick Perry signed the voter ID bill into law this morning. The legislation requires voters to present one of five acceptable forms of photo ID—a drivers license, military ID, passport, concealed handgun license or a special voter ID card provided free of charge by the state. Gov. Perry designated voter ID as an “emergency item” early in the session, giving it particular priority as lawmakers rushed it through the legislative process.

"This simple action, no more complicated then cashing a check down at the HEB or applying for a library card down the street, will appropriately help maintain the integrity and fairness of our electoral system here in the Lone Star State,” Gov. Perry said at the signing.

349
Anybody see Rise of the Planet of the Apes?

It's getting good reviews.

350 133 SoCal morons: don't forget he'll be in your neck of the woods on Sept 8th. Link to how to get tickets on yesterday's morning open thread.
__________

Looks like Ear Leader has decided to rant about jobs to a joint session of Congress at the same time as the big debate.

351 Why unarmed?

352 357 Jean,

because the last thing we need is giving Ogabe an excuse to say "armed insurrection"...basically the day is gonna come where he grasps only something HUGE will let him keep power....

I'd rather it not be a reenactment of the assault on the winter palace

353 jwb7605 -- two questions at your link, any chance those 500m in loan guarantees were counted as a liability in the budget talks; and how much time did you spend on the 'celebrities who dare to bare" link

354 353 soothsayer,

Bush will be vindicated

355 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2011 12:19 PM




omg thats hysterical.lol

356 Perry has had the guts to admit he was wrong. He accepted the will of the voters with good grace, and then moved on.

Don't pull the wool over your eyes on the Trans TX Corridor just yet.
NAFTA! Perry/McCain '12

357 sven - who is he going to cry that to?

358 357 Why unarmed?

Posted by: Jean at August 31, 2011 12:26 PM (kUxiO)

Funny post number for that question....

I am assuming this is referring to the march idea to surround Congress and the White House...

1) Weapons aren't needed. Pure numbers cannot be stopped anyway, if the crowd is determined.

2) More people would show up if the crowd is unarmed. *I* wouldn't even show up if I knew the crowd would be armed, and its my idea. There are a lot of idiots that are not law-abiding safety-focused gun owners.

3) It is a distraction to have armed individuals in a crowd and gives authorities justification to crack down. Open carry is illegal in DC and marching on those buildings with weapons could be considered open sedition.

4) The story then becomes the weapons, and not the vigil or the warning. 

359 BREAKING: Obama Requests Joint Session Of Congress To Present Jobs Plan; Same Night As GOP Debate
"Joel Salatin: How to Prepare for A Future Increasingly Defined By Localized Food & Energy"
This article reminds me of when the first lady was saying "buy local produce"

360 Ok. Then why don't you list the bold economic policies that helped jump start the smooth running capitalist machine. Did he introduce the concept of no state taxes in Texas or was that in place before he got there? Did he propose cutting fees or did he introduce the idea of a massive new highway system with tolls (taxes, fees, call them whatever you want). Did he put the oil under the ground which is the source of most private sector job growth in Texas and other oil and gas states?

Let's see.  Despite much pressure to do otherwise, Perry has insisted on not raising general taxes (Property Taxes, the State Sales Tax, or the State Gasoline tax) and instead has always used fee increases when additional revenue was actually required, and budget cuts where he could to balance the budget.

When necessary items like road infrastructure (just so you understand, the two largest Urban areas in Texas are nearly 4 times as far apart as New York City and Philadelphia, and El Paso is closer to San Diego than it is to Dallas) come up, we don't have much choice except to use toll roads or raise taxes (the last time the Gasoline Tax was raised in Texas was 1991- more than 20 years ago).

You cite a study by people invested in seeing more growth due to their industry (nothing wrong with it, just how it is) than may be there.  There was a piece linked many times in the comments of various threads on this very blog that set that same percentage around 10%.  I'll dig around and see if I can find it, but I'm sure if you did some digging you could as well.

He also instituted the State Enterprise Fund (or something like that) a Public/Private fund used to help businesses with expenses related to relocating- that is, a fund to help bring business to Texas.  It has been very successful.

He fought for (and got) a business tax restructuring which increased State Revenue (something the advisability of which we can debate) while actually decreasing the net tax burden on most medium and small businesses, which, as you know, can help spur business growth.

He fights the EPA tooth-and-nail to prevent job-killing policies that would stunt our energy and industrial infrastructure: something that "saves" far more jobs than Porkulus ever could have.

If you're looking to fight Perry's pro-business bonafides, you've got your work cut out for you.

361 363 Jean,

the only people he needs to halfway convince are the DHS denizens and his flash mob allies....

Barry is either gonna go with a bang or a whimper and I am not sure which

362 Don't pull the wool over your eyes on the Trans TX Corridor just yet.
NAFTA! Perry/McCain '12

Really?  How tightly is your tinfoil hat tied on?

First, it was post TTC that Texas made it much harder (via Constitutional amendment (which isn't actually saying much, in Texas)) to use imminent domain in the first place.

Second, whether you like the TTC plan itself or not, you don't think that Texas Road infrastructure, especially major trade arteries like those from DFW to Houston, needs some major overhaul?

363 365 City Gal,

Barry still thinks his minor league political theatrics and gamesmanship will work.....

essentially he is going to go to congress and either present his half assed current bullshit "plan" of payroll holiday or say "hey we just got downgraded I have a swell idea let's blow another trillion for no gain other than Union liquor cabinets being full".....

fuck him

364 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 31, 2011 12:36 PM (8y9MW)

there is stuff surfacing all over on other blogs stating that he wanted joint health care with mexico and was a big supporter of hillarycare.  I don't post on the sites so can't ask the posters for legitimate proof of this stuff, however, it looks like a small army is out there to disseminate this kind of stuff and, as usual, people just read it and don't ask for some kind of proof.

365 343 I like grognard's idea of someone (Rush, maybe?  Beck?  Palin?  All of the above?) just saying that "On Wednesday, September whatever through Friday, September whatever + 2, I will be standing just outside the Capitol Building in Washington, DC to let all our elected officials know I'm watching them.  No parade, no speeches, no events.  Anyone who wishes to join me is welcome."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 31, 2011 12:18 PM (8y9MW)

Our decades of silence and cowardice has enabled the kind of corruption and outright crime that we see today.  We are all to blame.  It's time that we build upon what the Tea Party movement started and show our pompous "leaders" what a representative democracy is all about.

366 370 City Gal,

don't look now but 'joint healthcare" with mexopolis would likely be a good idea....

you can get your teeth yanked or worked on for a tenth the cost by a mexican dentist precisely because it is then a market driven transaction instead of having to compete with uncle Sugar's ATM that never runs out of money....

(devalued money but money naytheless)

367 Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2011 12:39 PM (AEIYh)

I'm sure it will be a big fan fare with media coverage, meant to minimize the impact of the republican debate.  I wonder if it is a political move?

368 I love Texas, been there a bunch of times for guitar shows in the Dallas area. The roads are killer. I love how they have service roads so all the shoppers don't mess up the highways, and the service roads have U-turns at every exit that bypasses the traffic lights in case you screw up. I saw whole highways that looked like they were unused, but ready. They also have huge stores for everything. Need a battery? There is probably an 8000 square foot store somewhere that has batteries for everything from a hearing aid to the fucking mars lander. I love texas.

369 So you guys are talking about civil disobedience?  Did hannity and darryl inspire you yesterday?

I suspect they'd call in the army to arrest every last person.

370 373 City gal,

he looks like a petulant child....

and sooner or later he is gonna get a very healthy dose of payback by the House....

371 375 City gal,

he does that we've won.....

the imagery will be Selma in a funhouse mirror

372 You'll have to back up that assertion.

Been there, done that while it was going down. Made the local tv news, and I noted it here at that time.

Instead, everything wrong with Texas is his fault. 

You said it. Not I.

governor of Texas has no power

You're arguing that the Lt.Gov. doesn't hold a balance of authority in the TX Legislature not vested in the Governor's constitutional role?

Again, compare constitutionally limited powers to "no power". 

And on that note of limited power, Perry abused his office in efforts to assert powers not vested by the constitution. So those dreams that somehow Perry will constrain himself as potus to US Constitutional limitations on the Chief Executive Office are deceptive, to say the least.

373 ttfn

374 Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2011 12:47 PM (AEIYh)

But it would be like "PC", it would serve to show anyone else even thinking about it, not to do it.  And the folks arrested would now have given DHL a nice beginning data base of who should be "watched". 

I feel as though the world has changed so much since when MLK was around.  I feel that things are ass backwards.

375 375 So you guys are talking about civil disobedience?  Did hannity and darryl inspire you yesterday?

I suspect they'd call in the army to arrest every last person.

Posted by: city gal at August 31, 2011 12:45 PM (k1rwm)

I don't listen to Hannity, and Darryl Hannah is a scrunt.  This idea came to me spontaneously.

And no, they wouldn't call in the army to arrest several hundred thousand people standing peacefully, unarmed, quietly watching.  That's absurd. Any heavy-handed response to something so obviously peaceful would blow up in their faces.

376 Posted by: grognard at August 31, 2011 12:50 PM (NS2Mo)

I hear you.  But, have the responses to anything been what one would "normally assume"?

377 380 City Gal,

take heart the main thing is the cynic in me is starting to think that as bush left chimpy the keys for a police state Barry will leave us with a police state so strong that once we cow the civil servants we can finally smite the domestic enablers of global terror once and for all easily.

Their silence as Soetoro cranks up the police state after their histrionics under bush means they have ceded any moral claim to liberty.

378 >>Let's see. Despite much pressure to do otherwise, Perry has insisted on not raising general taxes (Property Taxes, the State Sales Tax, or the State Gasoline tax) and instead has always used fee increases when additional revenue was actually required, and budget cuts where he could to balance the budget. Well you have to admit it was a lot easier for him to fight that while he was boldly coming down on the Obama stimulus, taking $17 billion, 3rd most in the country, and using $6.4 billion of it to balance the Texas budget. What's going to happen next year when there is no stimulus? He may not like Texas tax dollars but he sure doesn't mind federal ones. >>When necessary items like road infrastructure (just so you understand, the two largest Urban areas in Texas are nearly 4 times as far apart as New York City and Philadelphia, and El Paso is closer to San Diego than it is to Dallas) come up, we don't have much choice except to use toll roads or raise taxes (the last time the Gasoline Tax was raised in Texas was 1991- more than 20 years ago). I don't have a problem with him using taxes for state infrastructure needs. That's what governors do. I do have a problem with him posing as a small government guy when he's not. A huge number of the new jobs in Texas are also government jobs. He has grown government greatly, not shrunk it. >>You cite a study by people invested in seeing more growth due to their industry (nothing wrong with it, just how it is) than may be there. There was a piece linked many times in the comments of various threads on this very blog that set that same percentage around 10%. I'll dig around and see if I can find it, but I'm sure if you did some digging you could as well. I'll let you find that one. Even if the number is somewhere in between, it's an asset that he has based on the state he governs. Nothing wrong with it but it does put the job growth numbers in perspective. Perry is going to have a heck of a time "creating" oil and gas jobs in Michigan or New Hampshire. >>He also instituted the State Enterprise Fund (or something like that) a Public/Private fund used to help businesses with expenses related to relocating- that is, a fund to help bring business to Texas. It has been very successful. Yep. Lots of governors do that. Romney used something similar to bring jobs to MA. People say that Romney's record doesn't stack up to Perry on jobs. Maybe, but when Romney took over jobs were flocking out of MA and he turned it toward growth and the unemployment number never got to where it is in Texas right now. >>He fought for (and got) a business tax restructuring which increased State Revenue (something the advisability of which we can debate) while actually decreasing the net tax burden on most medium and small businesses, which, as you know, can help spur business growth. >>He fights the EPA tooth-and-nail to prevent job-killing policies that would stunt our energy and industrial infrastructure: something that "saves" far more jobs than Porkulus ever could have. And that's a very good thing and I salute him for it. Again, I'm not anti-Perry. Just looking at the whole picture. People hack on Romney for "raising fees" which includes minor things like marriage licenses and boat mooring fees at MA state parks while ignoring the cuts he made to MA government to close a $3 billion deficit he inherited when taking office but ignore the fact that Perry proposed massive new road fees and took $6 billion in Obama stimulus to close the budget hole that he oversaw. That's kind of an important distinction, don't you think?

379 383 sven,

meant to say as Bush left Barry or chimpy left Barry the keys to a police state....

Barry really is pushing the Federal DHS into a gestapo like creature of political hatchet work....

when we take back power time to decertify the tax exemption of black Churches whose main faith is politics and defund the AGW hysterics federal gravy train....

impeaching Judges who practice that collusion in their awards for "pollution"

380 Well you have to admit it was a lot easier for him to fight that while he was boldly coming down on the Obama stimulus, taking $17 billion, 3rd most in the country, and using $6.4 billion of it to balance the Texas budget. What's going to happen next year when there is no stimulus? He may not like Texas tax dollars but he sure doesn't mind federal ones.

Actually, "he" didn't take that 17 billion at all- the veto-proof act of the legislature did.  Even then, he's only used the funds with "no strings attached."  He even complained about the leg taking the money for the exact reason you claim- when it's gone, there's an even bigger hole to fill.  That's what so much of this year's budget fight was about- you know, the one where (once again) he didn't raise taxes and had actual net budget cuts to balance the budget.

I don't have a problem with him using taxes for state infrastructure needs. That's what governors do. I do have a problem with him posing as a small government guy when he's not. A huge number of the new jobs in Texas are also government jobs. He has grown government greatly, not shrunk it.

Bull-crap from any reasonable perspective.  The population of Texas grew, so, yes, Government grew, too.  Government employees per capita, however, shrank.

Yep. Lots of governors do that. Romney used something similar to bring jobs to MA. People say that Romney's record doesn't stack up to Perry on jobs. Maybe, but when Romney took over jobs were flocking out of MA and he turned it toward growth and the unemployment number never got to where it is in Texas right now.

Of course it didn't.  MA is still losing (or at least not gaining) population.  Texas is growing in population faster than we can grow our economy.

People hack on Romney for "raising fees" which includes minor things like marriage licenses and boat mooring fees at MA state parks while ignoring the cuts he made to MA government to close a $3 billion deficit he inherited when taking office but ignore the fact that Perry proposed massive new road fees and took $6 billion in Obama stimulus to close the budget hole that he oversaw.

My only problems with Romney are (in order from least to most): His stance on ethanol subsidies, his stance on AGW <sorry, that does look more politically motivated a switch to me than Perry's stance on the guest-worker programs, etc.>, and his continued defense of RomneyCare.  Specifically that he can't even bring himself to say (that I've ever been able to find) that RomneyCare seemed like a good idea at the time, but has obviously morphed into something he didn't intend (now it would be too late to say that, but there was a window when he could).  Worse, he won't even admit the moral hazard in an individual mandate.  He's absolutely right that, if such a thing is to be done, it should be done at the state level.  He's absolutely wrong that such a thing should ever be done.

381 55 I think the liberals are starting to worry that the Kenyan is going to taint the legacy of FDR.  I present comment #14 as evidence.

Poor Vic, I spent 24 hours in a hospital a couple of years ago and can't imagine being stuck in one for an entire week.

Posted by: Bob Saget at August 31, 2011 09:29 AM (F/4zf)

I spent three days in one a few years back.  Had some hot Filipino nurses, thought those damn scrubs just don't cut it compared to Florence Nightingales.

What was I saying?  Oh, yeah.  Wouldn't be so bad if they'd let you sleep.  After three days I was on the verge of collapse purely from lack of sleep.

382 Odogma and his degreed progressive/regressive technocrats with no real world experience can be summed up in a single scripture: 
2 Timothy 3:7 TranslationsKing James Version (KJV) Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

383 >>My only problems with Romney are (in order from least to most): His stance on ethanol subsidies, his stance on AGW ,and his continued defense of RomneyCare. Specifically that he can't even bring himself to say (that I've ever been able to find) that RomneyCare seemed like a good idea at the time, but has obviously morphed into something he didn't intend (now it would be too late to say that, but there was a window when he could). That's a coin flip. Romney was the only NE governor to not sign the RGGI, which was a regional cap and trade thing. Carrucci in RI followed his lead but Romney had a chance to implement cap and trade and said no. Perry was and still is a big supporter of instate tuition for illegals, against the border fence, against the AZ law and in favor of a guest worker program. It's more than just a one time thing and he's not backing down. On the national level, Romney has said over and over and over again that he would grant a waiver to all 50 states and fight for repeal. He claims a 10th amendment right for the MA healthcare plan which was very popular when it passed. He has also said many times that there are things he would do differently in hindsight. It's a little disingenuous to give Perry the ability to claim states rights for all his plans but infer that Romney would somehow support Obamacare when he has come out publicly and repeatedly saying just the opposite. As to the individual mandate, states do that all the time and always have and always will. Hell, he had the Heritage Org helping him outline the plan so while you may not like it ( I don't care, I was insured before and I am now but lots of free riders are now paying too) if it passes muster with the largest and Rush Limbaugh endorsed conservative organization in the country it works for many conservatives at least on the state level.

384

As most of you know, I consider the WaPo's Ezra Klein to be the equivalent of an organ grinder's monkey in a little red vest and a fez

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*snorts coffee through nose while laughing*

385

I think people are missing something when comparing Social Security to a Ponzi Scheme.

Social Security is not supposed to be a Ponzi Scheme; It just looks like one because it has been twisted from what it was supposed to be.

Social Security is not supposed to pay out at all. When the precursor was set up by Bismarck in Germany, very few people lived to be 65. Very few even lived that long when it was started here.

Social Security is supposed to be an outright Insurance Fraud - you pay in for an annuity that you have virtually no chance of living to collect and the insurer keeps the proceeds to use as a slush fund.

Which of course is why most object to any "fix" - it changes it back to an Insurance Fraud and government slush fund.

386 Took me time to read all the comments, but I really enjoyed the article. It proved to be Very helpful to me and I am sure to all the commenters here! ItÂ’s always nice when you can not only be informed, but also entertained!

387

I'm loving the headline over at Drudge: A picture of Obama and a 0.

He probably didn't mean it to read as I read it, but that doesn't matter.