September 19, 2011
— Monty
KABOOM! Looks like Uncle Sugar decided to bail Europe out after all. Hey, what's a trillion or so between friends? It's not like we're broke or anything....
The worst kind of “stuck” is when you can’t go forward and you can’t go back and no one can reach you. That’s where the Eurozone is right now.
Europeans find “unity in inanity”. Hey, I’m sympathetic to ignoring Timmah -- believe me, I understand. But still...don’t ignore good advice, even when it comes from a jerk. Separate the message from the messenger.
To stave off disaster, the Greeks will have to learn to be completely different people, culturally. Greeks have not been known for fiscal prudence since...well, the memory of man does not run that far. I suspect that in the end they will be unable to completely transform themselves in the way the rest of the Eurozone wants them to. The Greeks are, well, Greek, and that culture will not change in the span of a year or two. Even if the Greeks wished to transform themselves, it would be a project of decades; and it is not clear that the people of that bankrupt nation are even willing to make the change.
This is why the PIIGS are boned. You can repeat this same story, with small variations, tens of thousands of times.
Europe 2011 may be worse than America 2008.
$1.5 Trillion in new taxes now, $3 Trillion in cuts later. Pinkie swear.
The accounting on ObamaCare is even more screwed up than you thought it was. It's certainly lived down to my expectations: I expected it to be a fiscal disaster, and so it proved. Pass it to find out what's in it!
California Democrats donÂ’t just suck at looking after taxpayer money. They suck at looking after their own money as well. So itÂ’s not venality so much as simple ineptitude.
The Empire Manufacturing Survey brings on the suck.
European banks are hiding a lot of crap off-balance-sheet. This is one of the big fears in the Eurozone -- that the already-undercapitalized banks are in even worse shape than thought due to huge amounts of hidden debt and other obligations. (EDIT: Recall that this is the sort of thing that took down Enron.)
Universal social programs vs. cost-benefit analysis. If there is no cost-effective way to fund programs for the poor, should we still try to do it for ethical reasons?
American Jews finally realizing that ObamaÂ’s just not that into them. The alien being Waxulon opines:
There are Jews who are trending toward the Republican Party, some of it because of their misunderstanding of ObamaÂ’s policies in the Middle East, and some of it, quite frankly, for economic reasons. They feel they want to protect their wealth, which is why a lot of well-off voters vote for Republicans.Those Jooos and their money. Also: TEH RACISM!!!
The future of jobs. The employment model won’t be as stable as in the half century after World War II, but maybe that’s not such a bad thing; the “Detroit model” had a lot of defects and didn’t promote much in the way of either R&D or “creative destruction” in the Schumpeterian sense. We must learn to innovate better and move faster to compete globally. The future workplace needn’t be *worse* than what we have now -- in fact it may be much better in many ways -- but the change will be a wrenching one for many people.
Fraud in unemployment programs? The hell you say! Our governmental bodies have proven themselves honest and fair caretakers of our public funds, and I for one will not stand here and see our public servants so basely slandered!
I just wouldn't be me if I didn't take the opportunity to bash on Social Security. It's like getting a fat pitch with the bases loaded: if the pitcher's gonna serve it up, I'm gonna swing at it. The evils of Social Security.
Someone always has to pay the bill, folks. Always. There ain’t no such thing as “free”.
Even perma-bull Kudlow is sensing a disturbance in the Force.
The recession call is not conclusive. I'm the first to admit it. And my optimistic instincts rebel against the downturn scenario. But facts are facts. They must be reported. And the numbers aren't good.
Do adult job-training programs work? It depends on the individual to a great extent, but the track-record of government-sponsored jobs-training programs is not good. ItÂ’s also a fact that as a person ages, they donÂ’t assimilate or retain new information as well as they did when they were younger. ItÂ’s essential to keep your job-skills up-to-date, but training programs are not a panacea: you canÂ’t make up for a lack of skills in an eight or ten-week program.
End the FedÂ’s dual mandate? Better yet, just end the Fed entirely. ItÂ’s done far more harm than good over the years.
Remember those “bumfights” videos that were all the rage some years back? Well, it's like that, only with Russian billionaires.
UPDATE 1: Here's the thing about inflation: it's never a problem, until all of a sudden it is. And it is devilishly hard to get rid of once established.
UPDATE 2: Take heart, you poor overburdened peasants! His Majesty the King has a plan to realize $4 Trillion in cuts...and it'll only take 120 years! A mere eyeblink compared to the long ages of the cosmos, really. (EDIT: This was an error in the original story which has since been scrubbed corrected.)
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Posted by: Vic at September 19, 2011 04:54 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 04:54 AM (sbV1u)
There is a cost-effective way to fund programs for the poor. It's called "Private Charity," and it worked relatively well for decades (at least) before our all beneficent Government decided they could do better.
The big food-bank in our area can feed a family of 4 for a week for about $16.00. Real costs, obviously, are higher than that, but since they're in the form of donations to a charity, the people providing them have (in theory, at least) decided that helping that charity is worth more to them than the $50.00 or so they gave.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 04:56 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at September 19, 2011 04:58 AM (wnbjH)
Heinlein tried to get that across in 1966 with his famous TANSTAAFL from The Moon Is A Harsh Mistriss. He had learned his lesson from his socialist days.
But some people never learn.
Posted by: Vic at September 19, 2011 04:59 AM (M9Ie6)
That's true to an extent, but that doesn't really kick in until your 60's or later, if you keep learning the entire time. Mostly, the reason "adult job training" doesn't work (most of the time) is that a higher percentage of people in those programs are not the kind of people (self-motivated, disciplined, and humble) who are going to maintain regular employment and move up the monetary-success ladder.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 04:59 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 19, 2011 05:00 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Marie at September 19, 2011 05:00 AM (W7Seu)
Someone on F&F already said that this morning.
Posted by: Vic at September 19, 2011 05:02 AM (M9Ie6)
I didn't get to watch the game (my wife won't allow any game with the Eagles to be shown in my house- and I more or less agree), but I was very, very happy to hear that the Eagles lost. Less happy to hear about Vick's injury- just because I never actually wish harm on anybody- even an evil scum-sucker like Michael Vick.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 05:03 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 19, 2011 05:03 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 19, 2011 05:06 AM (SB0V2)
Mostly, the reason "adult job training" doesn't work (most of the time) is that a higher percentage of people in those programs are not the kind of people (self-motivated, disciplined, and humble) who are going to maintain regular employment and move up the monetary-success ladder.
YES! X 1,000
Exactly right and I've seen it up close and personal.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 05:07 AM (sbV1u)
Am I the only one who started reading this and though "ipad epub" would be the commenter?
You had to see the grinning, narcissistic, SICKENING interview Vick had before the game. I was floored.
No, no I didn't. I knew he hadn't "changed" a bit when he mentioned he thought he should get a rescue dog last year. I think he reduces the prestige (what little there is) of the Eagles as an organization, and that they were willing to hire him speaks great volumes about their priorities.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 05:09 AM (8y9MW)
Yeah, like he said! And...
I am going to out on a limb here and predict that Obama defines a millionaire as anyone who makes more than $250,000 $200,000 a year.
AoSHQ Morons are almost always on mark.
Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 19, 2011 05:13 AM (71LDo)
Either, they're only talking about W-2 Income, in which case "Millionaires" (as defined as "people like Warren Buffett") won't be touched- because their "income" is all Capital Gains. In which case: lie. Or they're going to jack the capital gains tax rate back up to around 50%. In which case- stupid.
I would love Jake Tapper (because he seems to be the only one with enough guts to ask such question) to ask Circus Monkey Carney about that in today's press briefing.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 05:14 AM (8y9MW)
AoSHQ Morons are almost always on mark.
You haven't met "curious", have you?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 05:14 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at September 19, 2011 05:15 AM (j84s0)
This little snippet from the article Vic linked in the other thread is a perfect example of what has to end. If solar is so great, at Peter Lynch argues, it's development can be fostered by the market. And, if it takes a variety of government interventions to survive, including encouraging forcing people to use it, then it's really not worth our time, is it?
What's wrong with letting China sink billions into this boondoggle and then coming in later and building on all of their success? Who says we have to be first in the water?
Posted by: The Hammer at September 19, 2011 05:15 AM (PER0T)
It's almost like it doesn't take some advanced degree in economics to realize that the more money taken out of the economy, the worse the economy does.
You haven't met "curious", have you?
He did say "almost always."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 05:16 AM (8y9MW)
Henry Waxman stumbles on the tendency of people to vote for their self-interest.
Move over Hobbes, Locke, and DUH.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 19, 2011 05:16 AM (B+qrE)
I thought all Morons were obligated to live alone in their parent's basement! You mean I can meet someone. Who knew...?
Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 19, 2011 05:17 AM (71LDo)
You know... I'm pretty sure Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle (the original Morons) all recognized the same tendency.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 05:17 AM (8y9MW)
You haven't met "curious", have you?
Curious isn't a moron, it just posts here.
Posted by: Retread at September 19, 2011 05:19 AM (BO5ap)
"A $10,000 donation to the Urban Health Initiative at the University of Chicago Medical Center appears on the groupÂ’s 2009 tax forms."--From the DC.
Rut Rooo.
(This is talk, like Scooby day, isn't it?)
Posted by: The Hammer at September 19, 2011 05:24 AM (PER0T)
I thought all Morons were obligated to live alone in their parent's basement! You mean I can meet someone. Who knew...?
Well, we can live under a bridge too. It's right there in the Moron Handbook, Chapter 5, paragraph 5.17
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 05:25 AM (sbV1u)
Hold on, hold on, must adjust my wench outfit. *wriggle wriggle* There we go.
Avast, doom is upon us! I must admit, it appeals to my inner nihilist that the Eurozone is all help us, Germany, you're our only hope! After all, that's gone oh so very well in the past.
Here's my idiotic question of the moment, why are financial institutions allowed to have liabilities off book? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purposes of balance sheets that show the true holdings of a firm?
Posted by: alexthechick at September 19, 2011 05:26 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 19, 2011 05:26 AM (0M3AQ)
Here's my idiotic question of the moment, why are financial institutions allowed to have liabilities off book? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purposes of balance sheets that show the true holdings of a firm?
Surely you jest!
This is the world of Barack Obama, rejoice in the wonders of his creation!
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 05:27 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 19, 2011 05:31 AM (ZDUD4)
to conduct three U.S. dollar liquidity-providing operations with a maturity of approximately three months covering the end of the year....
These will all take the form of repurchase operations against eligible collateral and will be carried out as fixed rate tender procedures with full allotment.
Can someone dumb it down a shade for those of us who don't speak High Finance? How does the ECB provide US-dollar liquidity?
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 19, 2011 05:31 AM (u83UF)
Ye've set my pantaloons all afluster, ye saucy wench. Fetch a great measure of grog to yer cap'n and per'aps I'll let ye play with my sextant!
Posted by: Dread Pirate Monty at September 19, 2011 05:31 AM (/0a60)
Yep, but that doesn't stop companies from doing crap like that. (Remember Enron?) For every rule, there is a loophole -- and remember that foreign banks and corporations are not bound by the same FASB/GASB rules as domestic ones. (Though they do have to conform to similar rules if they want to be listed on American exchanges, IIRC.)
Posted by: Monty at September 19, 2011 05:33 AM (/0a60)
Hold on, hold on, must adjust my wench outfit. *wriggle wriggle* There we go.
Does that come with boots? You know, like, thigh high boots?
Jus' askin'
Posted by: Shaggy at September 19, 2011 05:34 AM (sbV1u)
FIFY
Greece 'should not be eurozone debt crisis scapegoat'
Me thinks the lady doth protesteth too much, although Mr. Venizelos has a semi-point. The whole EU project was doomed from its inception, as one cannot merge iron and clay...
Sorry, but I just love making that Revelation reference...
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 19, 2011 05:36 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: alexthechick at September 19, 2011 09:26 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: S. O'Lyndra - Pirate at Large at September 19, 2011 05:37 AM (i3+c5)
Fetch a great measure of grog to yer cap'n and per'aps I'll let ye play with my sextant!
But what about the ROUSes!
Does that come with boots? You know, like, thigh high boots?
But of course! Also a very fetching tricorner hat. Possibly with a feather in it.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 19, 2011 05:38 AM (VtjlW)
If I understand correctly, it has more to do with what defines a "liability" to a financial institution. Remember that your checking account goes on the negative side of the ledger for your bank- that loan you have goes on the positive side.
So, what happens, is different types of accounts (largely trust type accounts and a few others) that operate so differently from normal deposit accounts don't get counted. Part of the collapse of 2008 came from an FDIC rule change that required certain loans (which, previously, had been assets) to be re-classified as liabilities.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 05:38 AM (8y9MW)
RE: Inflation figures
Are they still giving us inflation figures without including gas and food in those figures? ...I read sometime back that the ClusterF*ckers were doing that.
Anyone know?
It's yet another outrage, if they are. ....Inflation figures without gas and food included in the equation would be totally bogus.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 19, 2011 05:40 AM (HotjA)
Yarr, me feller 'rons and 'ronettes. A fine mornin' do be upon us, though the horizon be painted red with DOOM.
Hey, what's a trillion or so between friends? It's not like we're broke or anything....
I wonder sometimes if Obama doesn't wake up humming, "Damn, it's hard to be a gangsta."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 19, 2011 05:40 AM (4df7R)
But of course! Also a very fetching tricorner hat. Possibly with a feather in it.
Well, I would also like the puffy shirt. Scoop neck please.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 05:40 AM (sbV1u)
That's actually been SOP for quite some time. The reason, of course, is to hide what real inflation is. Their rationalization, however, is that those are "fluctuate independently" (which is a crock) and they have to be removed from the "core" inflation number to get a more consistent feel for inflation.
I believe they are also supposed to publish the number with Gas and Food included, but it's not called "core" inflation, and is often not reported by the media outlets.
Also, because it's been a while: Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 05:43 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 19, 2011 05:43 AM (0M3AQ)
That goes back to the "cultural change" thing I mentioned in my post. The Greeks are being asked to change their entire culture, and they're not going to do it -- even if they wanted to, there's no time, and they don't want to anyway. The Greeks are who they are. 10% of the entire population works directly for the government; another 15% or so depend on government payments and pensions for the bulk of their income. That's a quarter of the entire population. The private sector of the Greek economy (what little there is of it) simply cannot make up for that kind of displacement.
That's why this "austerity" push by the Greek government is doomed. The Greeks will not tolerate it. It will end up in a coup or a civil war if they push too hard and for too long.
And anyway, this whole mess isn't about the Greeks, really. It's about the rest of Europe. If Greece defaults and leaves the Euro, what's to prevent Portugal and Ireland from doing the same? In fact, why would the Euro hold together as a monetary union at all? That's what's scaring the piss out of the Eurocrats right now: Greece is just the cotter-pin holding the entire rickety contraption together. When it breaks, the whole thing is going to fall apart.
Posted by: Monty at September 19, 2011 05:43 AM (/0a60)
The democrats assume your money belongs to them.
After democrats take your money -they waste it on inbred(D) corruption.
Rinse and repeat.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 19, 2011 05:44 AM (0fzsA)
Reading the comment blogs on the LATimes, seems even Californians know they are fucked. Amazing insight. Guess they too will move.
Greeeeeaaaaaat! Just suuuuuper. Now they can fuck up some other previously nice part of the country.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 05:44 AM (sbV1u)
Okay, I have to ask: I know that such a collapse would be terrible- for a little while. Wouldn't it, though, actually be a good thing in the mid-to-long run? It would re-introduce "monetary competition" (for lack of a better term) where each country would be making monetary policy which is theoretically in their own best interest, and not have some bureaucrat hacks trying to do it for them.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 05:46 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: jeannebodine, sum b*tch at September 19, 2011 05:46 AM (nvlAW)
Then I recommend you pick a day to stay completely ignorant of politics and the general state of the world. Because actually paying attention will make you angry.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 05:47 AM (8y9MW)
Then I recommend you pick a day to stay completely ignorant of politics and the general state of the world.
You mean....be a liberal?
The deuce you say!
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 05:48 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2011 05:50 AM (l5dj7)
So, what happens, is different types of accounts (largely trust type accounts and a few others) that operate so differently from normal deposit accounts don't get counted. Part of the collapse of 2008 came from an FDIC rule change that required certain loans (which, previously, had been assets) to be re-classified as liabilities.
Okay that makes some sense, sort of, in an accounting world kind of way. I think what throws me about this is referring to these as "off book" liabilities. Obviously these liabilities are accounted for somewhere, at least one would hope that an institution has some vague idea of it's true financial situation. I know that GAAP does count things differently than I would but still. It has to show up somewhere.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 19, 2011 05:50 AM (VtjlW)
This is Europe. Historically, they have a habit of going to war with each other over "trifles" like this. I don't think it would come to that in the event of a Eurozone break-up, but it would almost certainly drive the world in a real, sure-enough Depression. Europe is a major market for China, and if Europe's demand falls off, China's export-driven economy goes right along with it (America's reduced demand won't make up the difference).
Remember that the strongest nation in a Eurozone breakup would be a reunified Germany. There are long memories in Europe of a strong and empowered German state, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see e.g. France start to hedge against German supremacy via a new arms race. If a new populist government takes control in Germany, that would only exacerbate the fears of the other nations. (Remember: for France, one of the main goals of getting Germany into the Eurozone was to shackle them to the other, weaker nations.)
I've always thought that the Eurozone was a horrible idea: "Europe" is not a nation. It never was, and it never will be. But the breakup of the Eurozone (if indeed that's what we're seeing) is going to be traumatic and painful for everybody -- including us.
Posted by: Monty at September 19, 2011 05:52 AM (/0a60)
I know that GAAP does count things differently than I would but still. It has to show up somewhere.
It does. And you'll find out exactly where it shows up 24 hours after your investment in the company tanks and they file for bankruptcy.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 05:52 AM (sbV1u)
Don't get me started on Unemployment bennies. The One increases the time you get paid to not work and the states have no money to pay for it so they have to borrow from the feds and.....how do these broke states pay that back? State employees are laid off while program sizes and outlays are increased.....easier mark for fraud perps when the manpower isn't there to monitor and subsequently prosecute the fraudsters.
Posted by: giftogab at September 19, 2011 05:53 AM (SPVfc)
Bernanke's bailing out Europe with our money? Perry didn't threaten him enough.
Posted by: theCork at September 19, 2011 05:53 AM (iSyWd)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 09:46 AM (8y9MW)
The whole point of the EU was to centralize power, diminish the nation states, and provide a convenient wealth transfer mechanism for the current version of European "pseudo-royalty bureaucrats. Having/Allowing an individual nation to set its own policy runs counter to this underlying policy, so the Boys in Belgium will fight to the last peasant to retain their power.
Posted by: S. O'Lyndra - Pirate at Large at September 19, 2011 05:53 AM (i3+c5)
There are long memories in Europe of a strong and empowered German state, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see e.g. France start to hedge against German supremacy via a new arms race
I think your hypothetical falls apart at a French arms race.
I just don't see it happening.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 05:54 AM (sbV1u)
Bernanke's bailing out Europe with our money? Perry didn't threaten him enough.
Posted by: theCork at September 19, 2011 09:53 AM (iSyWd)
Arrgggghhhh, mateys, treasonous be the roight word for 'is actions! Aye, the Bernanke/Geithner scum should be keel-hauled TWICE, just to make sure.
Posted by: S. O'Lyndra - Pirate at Large at September 19, 2011 05:57 AM (i3+c5)
I'm not sure about the specifics (I know what I do know from talking to my dad the bank auditor). My understanding though is that (most of the time) when you hear about liabilities being "off the books" or "unfunded" in the financial institution world, they're talking about cash-on-hand: the ability to pay out, in actual cash, if everyone starts pulling out of a bank.
That money is (or should be, at least) accounted for, it just doesn't count against the "liabilities" they have to report vs. liquidity.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 05:58 AM (8y9MW)
The future of U.S. taxes: in a word – usurious.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 09:57 AM (jx2j9)
Don't that be illegal in a muslim country matey?
Posted by: S. O'Lyndra - Pirate at Large at September 19, 2011 05:58 AM (i3+c5)
If there is anything that will get the French mad enough to take up arms, it's the possibility that they won't be able to afford their own wines.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 05:59 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: yinzer at September 19, 2011 05:59 AM (/Mla1)
Come on! Right?
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 05:59 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: The Pirate Ship DJIA at September 19, 2011 05:59 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2011 06:00 AM (l5dj7)
It may be the only thing they have left to sell.
It sucks when they're the prime-time game.
I only have basic cable. I'm ticked that MNF moved to ESPN. Not so much this week, but it means I'll miss the Cowboys next week.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 06:01 AM (8y9MW)
If there is anything that will get the French mad enough to take up arms, it's the possibility that they won't be able to afford their own wines.
About the only thing the French are interested in arming themselves with is a couple new balloon whisks and a 10" oval baking dish.
They are a syphilitic, degenerative race of pastry chefs and they long ago lost whatever (limited) martial ardor they once had.
And California wines are better these days...
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 06:01 AM (sbV1u)
Ahahaha, zoe's are fighting words, you Yankee Pig! I vill meet you on the lawn at noon (because zat is when I geet up, you see). Matched souffle pans at 10 paces!
No aiming for zee face.
Posted by: Some Frechman at September 19, 2011 06:04 AM (8y9MW)
I think your hypothetical falls apart at a French arms race.
I just don't see it happening.
Likely the French would look to us, again.
Posted by: Retread at September 19, 2011 06:04 AM (BO5ap)
Who gets the entrails when Europe dies? Guess! TheyÂ’ve been circling overhead for 1400 years.
Their pecking the eyeballs as we speak.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 06:04 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 19, 2011 06:05 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: Dr Mabuse at September 19, 2011 06:05 AM (jgkJo)
Likely the French would look to us, again.
Good luck with that.
Panetta talks real purty, but you know in the end he's going to go with JEF and preside over the gutting of DoD.
Mark. My. Words.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 06:05 AM (sbV1u)
And, if there's any ally this administration would fall over to help its...
Well, probably Turkey or Pakistan. But after those, it's probably France.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 06:05 AM (8y9MW)
You can't have a 35 hour work week, welfare state, and an arms race. And most of the French Foreign Legion is German nowadays.
I think the trend in Germany will be toward isolationism vs. the rest of Europe. They may attack France however. The wine is very good.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2011 06:06 AM (FkKjr)
Since they're used to living in a 6th century venue, they will fit right in with Europe post-EU rubble.
Posted by: S. O'Lyndra - Pirate at Large at September 19, 2011 06:07 AM (i3+c5)
Posted by: Jeff at September 19, 2011 06:08 AM (t/FwV)
Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2011 06:08 AM (l5dj7)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 06:09 AM (8y9MW)
Unified Germany = Occupied France. Google it.
See, that would really be a tragedy because, well, French pron, however limited it is, is still better than German pron.
Unless you're a huge leather or latex fan that is.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 06:10 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 19, 2011 06:11 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: S. O'Lyndra - Pirate at Large at September 19, 2011 06:11 AM (i3+c5)
That is only because it was too small to be effective. A world-wide union cannot fail to work as we have planned. (Ah-ah-ah!!)
Posted by: Socialists at September 19, 2011 06:12 AM (McHnx)
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Wait a sec. Is that "huge fan of leather or latex" or "fan of huge leather or latex"?
Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2011 06:14 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: Jackie Meehoff at September 19, 2011 06:14 AM (48wze)
Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2011 06:15 AM (l5dj7)
Memorization is actually a fairly small part of learning, now. At least, in software development, every day is "an open-book test." What you tend to need to learn is the appropriate thought-patterns for the appropriate problems (something most of the older generation tend to pick up faster, in my experience) and where to go to look for information you haven't memorized, yet.
Maybe it's just being in an industry that constantly changes (if you take a week off, you've got a lot of catching-up to do), but I find the older generation every bit as able to learn as us "youngsters."
the buffett tax is a loser
I love when people who actually know how money works bash on the President. It's kind of worthless, 'cause he's not going to change, but maybe it'll start getting through to voters.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 06:15 AM (8y9MW)
That be a great read, matey, thank you for the link!
Posted by: S. O'Lyndra - Pirate at Large at September 19, 2011 06:15 AM (i3+c5)
Headline from IOTW:
Give a liberal a fish and he will ask for seconds. Teach a liberal to fish and he will file for unemployment. - Anonymous
Posted by: Nash Rambler at September 19, 2011 06:15 AM (/Cz3M)
I suggest a similar course of action for economists. We could rename the Grand Canyon the Krugman Pit and throw the economist pieces into there. Sure, it would fill up pretty fast from all of the economists who don't have a clue what they are talking about but it would last us ten years or so.
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 19, 2011 06:15 AM (Hx5uv)
Beyond cynical. Mother of the last six decades to present petition at U.N.
And we think itÂ’s just us who are DOOMed. ItÂ’s the world!
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 06:17 AM (jx2j9)
French porn has more Nazis in it. Because France has forty million Nazis in it.
Posted by: oblig. at September 19, 2011 06:18 AM (xvZW9)
No, that's just how to deal with charlatans of all stripes. The best book of economics in the Bible is Proverbs. Leviticus (I think) comes next.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 06:18 AM (8y9MW)
Aye, m'bucko! Arrr.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 06:18 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 19, 2011 06:19 AM (CxIHD)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 19, 2011 06:19 AM (PLvLS)
Wait a sec. Is that "huge fan of leather or latex" or "fan of huge leather or latex"?
Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2011 10:14 AM (6fER6)
Unfortunately, and this is the real problem with German pron, it is the latter.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 06:20 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2011 06:20 AM (l5dj7)
It does. And you'll find out exactly where it shows up 24 hours after your investment in the company tanks and they file for bankruptcy.
Yeah. That's what I thought.
AllenG, check if the MNF game is streaming on watchespn. I can't remember if the games stream live or not.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 19, 2011 06:21 AM (VtjlW)
I'm firmly in the camp of believing there will be riots if he's not reelected. The only thing that may divert it is if he decided not to run. Then they'd probably still riot claiming he was pushed out.
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 19, 2011 06:21 AM (ycuSb)
French porn has more Nazis in it.
Again, I fall back on PJ O'Rourke. As he stated re: conservatives being called Nazis - that's fine because no one has ever had a sexual fantasy about being tied up and ravished by someone dressed as a liberal.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 19, 2011 06:23 AM (VtjlW)
As he stated re: conservatives being called Nazis - that's fine because no one has ever had a sexual fantasy about being tied up and ravished by someone dressed as a liberal.
Must. Not. Ask. Follow-on question.
Gaaaaaaaaah!
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 06:24 AM (sbV1u)
Why, that is a Palin comment. I thought she was hated and irrelevant on this site. /
Posted by: ChuckTX at September 19, 2011 06:24 AM (Ugob2)
Why, that is a Palin comment. I thought she was hated and irrelevant on this site.
I heard the phrase "Uncle Sugar" every single day in the Army.
I'm pretty sure Sarah Palin wasn't there.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 06:28 AM (sbV1u)
Rule 34. No exceptions.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2011 06:30 AM (FkKjr)
I heard the phrase "Uncle Sugar" every single day in the Army.
I'm pretty sure Sarah Palin wasn't there.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 10:28 AM (sbV1u)
You were wrong. Palin invented it!!111
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2011 06:31 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Marie at September 19, 2011 09:00 AM (W7Seu)
According to the IRS we are now all millionaires. I made $0.08 million last year. The idiots in our country (i.e. the 52) are going to eat this shit up like it is gravy covered bacons.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 19, 2011 06:34 AM (pdRb1)
Friday's Wall Street Journal:
Â…The new factory built with Department of Energy funds foisted fixed costs on a company already struggling through an industry shake-out, they say. What's more, the debt paradoxically made raising more money difficult. Once the government demanded priority in the event of failure, private investors were less likely to prop up the company.
One Solyndra investor said that, in retrospect, "the worst thing that happened to Solyndra was the loan."
Â… The company, founded in 2005, was blessed early on with influential backers. They would ultimately pump nearly $1 billion into the company. [Almost all of that is likely gone, making Solyndra one of the biggest venture-capital busts in history.] http://tinyurl.com/3h6gh7p
* That last sentence was in the print version, but removed from the online version. Wonder why.
Posted by: CJ at September 19, 2011 06:35 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Angry Pirate Bird at September 19, 2011 06:36 AM (e8T35)
Well.. let's do the math: Chicago will have at least 1, Detroit, and LA likewise. And that's just when the returns come in. Figure at least one more (each) when the court battle (cause you know there will be one) is over, there will be at least one more each, and then again in January. So, minimum 9.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 06:37 AM (8y9MW)
Yes, Angry Pirate Bird, Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
But you just keep repeating that as often as you feel necessary.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 06:41 AM (8y9MW)
There are plenty of liberals in pron just search out the word "cuckold" (cuckhold), but yeah, they never ravish anyone
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 19, 2011 06:42 AM (pdRb1)
Is it just me, or has the discussion of Euro-pron become more technical than our discussion of Financial Institutions' liability reporting requirements?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 06:43 AM (8y9MW)
With only 960 residents and a handful of roads, this tiny hilltop village in the arid, sulfurous hills of southern Sicily does not appear to have major traffic problems. But that does not prevent it from having one full-time traffic officer — and eight auxiliaries.
Especially in the poorer Italian south, many say a jobs-for-votes system has persisted.
The auxiliaries, who earn a respectable 800 euros a month, or $1,100, to work 20 hours a week, are among about 64 Comitini residents employed by the town, the product of an entrenched jobs-for-votes system pervasive in Italian politics at all levels.
“Jobs like these have kept this city alive,” said Caterina Valenti, 41, an auxiliary in a neat blue uniform as she sat recently with two colleagues, all on duty, drinking coffee in the town’s bar on a hot afternoon. “You see, here we are at the bar, we support the economy this way.”
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 19, 2011 06:44 AM (PLvLS)
Posted by: joncelli at September 19, 2011 06:46 AM (RD7QR)
A strategy of DOOM (and a cool new icon for your idiot dem friends).
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 06:51 AM (jx2j9)
Why? You know they're both just going to peg and stick. You'll need new ones 5 minutes in.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 06:51 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 19, 2011 06:51 AM (qFpRI)
Posted by: Jean at September 19, 2011 06:53 AM (WkuV6)
99.... I love when people who actually know how money works bash on the President. It's kind of worthless, 'cause he's not going to change, but maybe it'll start getting through to voters.
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Its.....interesting.....that we're not hearing Obama bashing those evil Corp Jet Owners anymore.
Warren Buffett owns NetJets, which sells fractional shares of corp jets. It buys brand new ones by purchasing production serial numbers, at a bulk discount, from the manufacturers.....then sells fractional shares of each one, plus the management, maintenance and pilot service for those shares.
Buffett would get hit badly with any sort of O-tax on corp jets.
But now that Buffett is letting himself get used by Obama for this 'millionaires tax' there doesn't seem to be anymore talk about a tax on Corp Jets.
The funny thing is......those fractional jet ownership companies sprouted up in the first place as a way to avoid the Fed tax on charter, which is high. So they came up with a way to do charters by selling 'ownership' shares instead. Same basic thing though.
Buffett is such a crusty old hypocrite.
Oh, and he will make millions off of selling financial products to millionaires to avoid the new 'millionaires tax'.....if it is passed.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 19, 2011 06:55 AM (HotjA)
The problem is not one of knowledge, but one of Character. They know they're expected to be there on time, expected to be dressed neatly and have reasonably good hygiene, not take excessive time off, etc. They. Just. Don't. Care.
They think the job is owed to them, and they believe that any requirement that is inconvenient (such as a modified work schedule or some-such) is "unfair." They also know that, if they're fired, they'll mostly likely get unemployment- because it's typically easier for companies just to okay the UE than to fight it. So there is no incentive to stay on the job longer than the minimum time necessary to get Unemployment benefits.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 06:58 AM (8y9MW)
The bastard is lying.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at September 19, 2011 10:57 AM (Lt/Za)
How can you tell? Are his lips moving?
Posted by: yinzer at September 19, 2011 06:58 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: Jean at September 19, 2011 06:58 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: joncelli at September 19, 2011 06:58 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: joncelli at September 19, 2011 07:00 AM (RD7QR)
Let's see... IIRC... M1 up at over 22% annualized, M2 at over 30% annualized...and August saw a 33% increase in bum mortgates ...with ARM's and other bad real estate investments still being un-wound. Real estate to drop another 30% give or take a bit.
Deflation is currently eating up most of the money printing, but the govenment won't stop printing money until it's too late. Then, you'll have too much money chasing too few goods as people stop trusting the currency and start looking for 'deals' and 'safe' investments, aka, hard assets.
Real estate is argubly at the foundation of any modern economy, and if that tanks...
Yeah. One way or the other, we're in deep doo-doo.
...and there are no easy fixes, no matter what anyone tells you.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 19, 2011 07:00 AM (E7Z1r)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 19, 2011 07:01 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 19, 2011 07:03 AM (UOM48)
Finish what we started this summer? What the fuck did we start this summer?
Destroying the economy. He'd like to have that done by Kwanzaa.
Posted by: yinzer at September 19, 2011 07:03 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 19, 2011 07:03 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 19, 2011 07:03 AM (qFpRI)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 19, 2011 07:03 AM (HotjA)
Posted by: Jean at September 19, 2011 07:04 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 07:04 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 19, 2011 07:05 AM (qFpRI)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 19, 2011 07:05 AM (i6RpT)
“According to Republicans, no one should be allowed to vote unless they can produce both a country club membership card and a recent brokerage house statement.”
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 19, 2011 07:05 AM (UOM48)
I often (ok....not really) think that the Joke Scarborough of 1994 would immensley dislike the Joke Scarborough of 2012
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 19, 2011 10:56 AM (OWjjx)
Oh, you think he misses his integrity?
Nah. Probably not.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 07:05 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 19, 2011 07:06 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Jean at September 19, 2011 07:06 AM (WkuV6)
Thank you, phoenixgirl! You're doing the job Americans won't shouldn't have to do!
I can't listen to the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure any longer. No mas. Bad for my health.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 19, 2011 07:06 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 19, 2011 07:06 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 07:07 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Jean at September 19, 2011 07:07 AM (WkuV6)
As for the job training programs? About fifteen years ago, I thought I'd see about updating my employment skills by using one of those government job training programs. Hey, it was free, right? MY taxes paid for it, I thought I'd use the program and see what happened.
It was self-help, political correct, crapola. No skills taught or encouraged. (That location did teach some office skills, typing and computer skills ...to women. ...and *only* to women.)
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 19, 2011 07:07 AM (E7Z1r)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 19, 2011 07:07 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 07:09 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: The SCOAMF at September 19, 2011 07:10 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 19, 2011 07:11 AM (qFpRI)
"We can't afford 'em [tax cuts]....when we're running these huge deficits" ~ SCoaMF
Well then stop 'running those huge deficits'! ...Duh. .....Fire all those expensive do-nothing bureaucrats. Slash Departmental f*cking budgets. That would be a good place to start!
Instead of tax-and-spend, the Dems have reversed it into we-spend-therefore-we-must-tax.
*reaches for barf bag*
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 19, 2011 07:11 AM (HotjA)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 07:13 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Obama at September 19, 2011 07:13 AM (rN9Na)
Has he said "everyone needs to have some skin in the game" yet?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 19, 2011 07:13 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Auntie Entity at September 19, 2011 07:15 AM (FU3yL)
Posted by: The SCOAMF at September 19, 2011 07:15 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 19, 2011 07:15 AM (HotjA)
Posted by: Obama at September 19, 2011 07:15 AM (rN9Na)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at September 19, 2011 07:15 AM (qFpRI)
$1.5 Trillion in taxes.... Hmmm, let me see.... that works out to half a trillion in 'stimulus' for American union chiefs to pocket and for his Wall Street buddies and that leaves a mere trillion to give to the Euroweenies - because they luvz us just so-o-o-o-o-o much don't ya know. I mean they take every opportunity to praise America for all the things we've done for them and all the American lives spent on them and all the trillions of dollars given to them or spent on them over the years.
Yeah. Right.
Asshats. Let 'em crash and burn. As Benny Hill once cracked, "Und dein pferd!"
Posted by: chuck in st paul at September 19, 2011 07:16 AM (EhYdw)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 19, 2011 07:16 AM (UOM48)
Every speech is bizarro world - completely the opposite of what he says.
Not really much of a game though, he makes it too easy.
not = is, is = not.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at September 19, 2011 07:16 AM (MKxSB)
Dems absolutely outraged about fraud committed byÂ… ehÂ… am I reading this right?
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 07:16 AM (jx2j9)
This country needs Zombie George Washington to smack the shit out of the SCOAMF.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 19, 2011 07:17 AM (UOM48)
Remember that the strongest nation in a Eurozone breakup would be a reunified Germany. There are long memories in Europe of a strong and empowered German state, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see e.g. France start to hedge against German supremacy via a new arms race.
I doubt this. The deficencies of the Bundeswehr were on exhibit in Afghanistan, and the population of the Bundesrepublik is cratering, despite official measures to reverse the falling birth rate. Any talk of an arms race would likely be a sidshow designed to deflecet attnetion away from domestic problems (ex: Argentina and the Falklands)
Posted by: Mr Smee at September 19, 2011 07:19 AM (6rX0K)
My BF is majoring in Music Management at a second-tier state university. He got an internship this summer at a major symphony orchestra. They were impressed at the number of business courses he's taken (because so many of their interns just take music and arts classes) and the fundraising he's done for the charity organizations he volunteers for.
He was paired with another intern from a much more elite institution.
The other intern lasted about three weeks before they let him go. Seems
he couldn't get the hang of showing up and doing work. My guy finished, got recommendations, and is on the shortlist should a paid position open up.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 19, 2011 07:20 AM (PLvLS)
213....This country needs Zombie George Washington to smack the shit out of the SCOAMF.
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And George Orwell, too. ....Obama has stolen Orwell's method of polibureau-speak...without giving any credits.
The two Zombie Georges....Washington and Orwell....need to deliver a major smackdown.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 19, 2011 07:21 AM (HotjA)
In '89, after peace broke out all over when the wall came down, I lost my job manufacturing engines of distruction. Manufacturing in NJ sucked, so I needed to get into something else.
On my own, I bought books, bought routers and switches from Ebay, and completely retrained myself (and certified) in Cisco networking. I scored a low end job in IT and kept learning and self-training. Not more than a year and a half from scoring that $8/hour job, I was making in excess of 100K in the industry...and kept on learning and certifying. In my 50's.
Since then, I've been out of work twice (both times when my company got bought out)...but never more than a couple of weeks. I even had my own business for 8 years teaching Cisco stuff.
You have to do it on your own. The Government is not here to help.
Posted by: trainer at September 19, 2011 07:21 AM (Rojyk)
Posted by: Jean at September 19, 2011 07:25 AM (WkuV6)
Flake is a Fake
This true-blue Arizona conservative just endorsed Mitt Romney.
That pretty much tells you all you need to know about Jeff Flake. [rdbrewer]
Have we officially moved to Perry Or Else mode?
Bachmann went full retard, and the rest are out. So have we pretty much settled the primary here? I like Perry but he's just starting to get the chance to show what he has under fire.
Posted by: CJ at September 19, 2011 07:28 AM (9KqcB)
Wait a minute.
I'm looking at the sidebar and not too thrilled with the idea that anyone who supports Romney, including a conservative such as Jeff Flake, will be skewered for it.
You can bet your sweet ass that if Perry looks like a losing game, my vote will go to Romney. And I won't lose one minute of sleep over it.
It's difficult to believe that our own side it so damned determine to tear apart anyone...ANYONE...who doesn't conform to their ideal standards.
Wait.
No it's not.
Posted by: As If! at September 19, 2011 07:28 AM (LyOUH)
lol @ this excerpt from a piece at cnbc:
“I found it peculiar that, even though the Americans have significantly worse fundamental data than the euro zone, that they tell us what we should do,” Maria Fekter, the finance minister of Austria, said after the meeting Friday morning. “I had expected that, when he tells us how he sees the world, that he would listen to what we have to say.”
Geithner is a world renowned dope.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2011 07:29 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 19, 2011 07:29 AM (5Wl/f)
The problem is not one of knowledge, but one of Character.
Did you see that long article about character linked by Insty (IIRC) this weekend?
NY Times, and it rambles all over the place, but I found interesting bits in it.
(link in name)
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 19, 2011 07:30 AM (XdlcF)
Today, listening to Obama is depressing and validates my belief this prick must be defeated in '12.
There was ever a doubt?
I haven't doubted that since April 2008.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 07:30 AM (sbV1u)
I think turkey sandwich is a more viable candidate. No Muslim backlash...
Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 19, 2011 07:31 AM (71LDo)
Trainer, how would your business improve if companies controlled the distribution of that job training cash - instead of a wonk.
1 - Usable skills would be taught.
2 - Retention of those skills would be tested and re-tested.
3- Profit!!!
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 07:32 AM (sbV1u)
Trainer, how would your business improve if companies controlled the distribution of that job training cash - instead of a wonk.
I gave it up about 6 years ago cuz the first thing that goes when a company cuts back is the training budget. I got caught in the mini-resession after 9-11. I was still making money, but was working twice as hard for 4 times less the money I was getting at the beginning.
It got easier to be a mind worker and let someone buy me. You've got to be quick on your feet to either take advantage of the market, or cushion the hurt a market can do.
Posted by: trainer at September 19, 2011 07:32 AM (Rojyk)
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 19, 2011 07:32 AM (vXqv3)
Have we officially moved to Perry Or Else mode?
Evidently so.
I am a Perry supporter. He is at the top of my list. YET, his go-down-in-flames supporters are getting on my friggin nerves.
Nobody else is entitled to a voice.
Not every Perry supporter takes such a stance. Most do not. But those who do are irritating as fuck.
ANYONE BUT OBAMA!
That's not the ideal, but it's a result I am more than happy to live with.
Posted by: As If! at September 19, 2011 07:32 AM (LyOUH)
Posted by: joffen at September 19, 2011 07:32 AM (EPcuy)
Everyone knows he can do it, and while it might happen at frequent intervals, no one will voluntarily set aside time to witness animal defecation.
Posted by: ontherocks at September 19, 2011 07:33 AM (HBqDo)
Oh gawd.....he's quoting George Washington now.
This country needs Zombie George Washington to smack the shit out of the SCOAMF.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 19, 2011 11:17 AM (UOM4
Killed a sensei in a duel and he never said why.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 19, 2011 07:33 AM (wPbwV)
Oh gawd.....he's quoting George Washington now.
This country needs Zombie George Washington to smack the shit out of the SCOAMF.
I am so sorry I missed that. It must have been full of juicy inspirationessy goodness.
Posted by: As If! at September 19, 2011 07:35 AM (LyOUH)
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 19, 2011 07:35 AM (5Wl/f)
Hey, what's a trillion or so between friends? It's not like we're broke or anything....
When Europe goes belly up I call dibs on a castle in Germany.
Posted by: harleycowboy at September 19, 2011 07:36 AM (wSTfB)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 19, 2011 07:37 AM (i6RpT)
I'll give $100 to any member of the White House Press Corps who, the next time JEF steps up to the podium, drops him a line from "Blazing Saddles."
"Sing 'Camptown Races'!"
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 07:37 AM (sbV1u)
Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich....arrrrrrg, me thinks I need some grog right about now mateys....
And "rich"...even "well off" have very different meanings depending upon where you live.
I would suggest that those affected by these higher taxes move to Florida. Pronto.
At least what you have left over will go farther. And the state won't stick their grubby paws into it further.
Posted by: As If! at September 19, 2011 07:37 AM (LyOUH)
_________
...and Bill Clinton made the unfortunate acquaintance of Monica Lewinsky...
An "unfortunate acquaintance" involves cigars, right? I'm at work and don't want to check the urban dictionary; it's always a pain to reset the klaxons once they go off.
Posted by: Anachronda at September 19, 2011 07:37 AM (IrbU4)
Posted by: The SCOAMF at September 19, 2011 07:37 AM (RD7QR)
I am a Perry supporter. He is at the top of my list. YET, his go-down-in-flames supporters are getting on my friggin nerves.
Posted by: As If! at September 19, 2011 11:32 AM (LyOUH)It's not so much that it's Perry or nobody else, it's that the rest of the field is crazy, hasn't announced yet because the 'rules don't apply to them', or is Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2011 07:38 AM (FkKjr)
Glad you are here to do the dirty deed and tell us what the SCOMAF readth from the oh so wise teleprompty!
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 19, 2011 07:39 AM (vXqv3)
When Europe goes belly up I call dibs on a castle in Germany.
I want to be King of Connemora, with my castle in Clifden.
Posted by: trainer at September 19, 2011 07:39 AM (Rojyk)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 19, 2011 07:41 AM (AZGON)
...or is Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2011 11:38 AM (FkKjr)
Yes, but if he is the only one left standing in November 2012, you'll hold your nose and vote for him.
Or I will hunt you like a dog. ;-)
But seriously, I will vote for a ham sandwich over Obama (offense to Muslims everywhere intended).
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 07:41 AM (sbV1u)
"NASA has advised the public not to touch any debris that may reach the surface, should it be discovered." http://tinyurl.com/3r6pjlm
I promise, honest I do, not to touch any space junk! Ha, oh you bet! I'm gettin' me some space junk while the gettin' is good! Watch the skies, watch the skies....
p.s. what is the secret to posting an active link without getting that "long string message"? is there a faq here somewhere? *glances at knife near wrist*
Posted by: Errol at September 19, 2011 07:41 AM (vewos)
p.s. what is the secret to posting an active link without getting that "long string message"? is there a faq here somewhere? *glances at knife near wrist*
tinyurl.com
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 07:43 AM (sbV1u)
As he increases the unemployed at a record rate his constituency gets ever larger in his ever smaller mind!
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 19, 2011 07:43 AM (vXqv3)
A smorgasbord of DOOM - A treasure trove of DOOM. A plethora of DOOM. A glut of DOOM.
If DOOM were dollars we could retire the debt.
I'm giddy.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 07:44 AM (jx2j9)
Of course. There was a thing on Insty this morning that the White House believes Obama's policies should be popular, they just need to talk about them more. Seriously.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2011 07:44 AM (tqwMN)
Of course. There was a thing on Insty this morning that the White House believes Obama's policies should be popular, they just need to talk about them more. Seriously.
Yeah, that's going to really help.......
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 19, 2011 07:45 AM (5Wl/f)
Not fair! I am in no way an Obama constituent!
Posted by: Mjim at September 19, 2011 07:45 AM (rN9Na)
Posted by: joncelli at September 19, 2011 07:46 AM (RD7QR)
Not fair! I am in no way an Obama constituent!
Posted by: Mjim at September 19, 2011 11:45 AM (rN9Na)
We know that.
For one thing, you're able to read.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 07:47 AM (sbV1u)
But seriously, I will vote for a ham sandwich over Obama (offense to Muslims everywhere intended).
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 11:41 AMBeat me to it. We need a ham sandwich in office!
I think Mutt Romney is a baloney sandwich. But he'll get my vote if he's nominated.
Still, he's a big-government liberal Republican, and that should -- in theory -- be against everything Flake allegedly believes. That suggests that he got some kind of political payoff for jumping into Mutt's kennel.
What I will not vote for is a shit sandwich. We have one in the White House right now, and the stench has become unbearable.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 19, 2011 07:47 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 19, 2011 07:47 AM (vXqv3)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 19, 2011 07:47 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: As If! at September 19, 2011 11:32 AM (LyOUH)
I thought maybe I missed a post that declared the primary over. As a general rule, I don't turn on conservatives who've been fighitng the good fight for years and make a couple of decisions I don't support (See: Will, George F.)
I want to support Perry, but he has only been running nationally for a few weeks, and I have to see how he sells himself. Romney has been running since...2006/07? He's heard how his lines sound to people outside his state.
I'm hoping Perry can move beyond Lemme Tell Ya Pard'ner to something a little more presidential.
Posted by: CJ at September 19, 2011 07:48 AM (9KqcB)
Reading the comment blogs on the LATimes, seems even Californians know they are fucked. Amazing insight. Guess they too will move.
We vote and still don't have any say in government, we pretty much get to bitch all we want. You could read any comment section and you can tell we just love drilling liberals because they own this economy in the state. Do I have to...ugh, okay,...ye matey!
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 19, 2011 07:48 AM (tKFT6)
Yes, but if he is the only one left standing in November 2012, you'll hold your nose and vote for him.
Or I will hunt you like a dog. ;-)
But seriously, I will vote for a ham sandwich over Obama (offense to Muslims everywhere intended).
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 11:41 AM (sbV1u)
I voted for him once and would vote for him in the unlikely event our party wants to lose to Obama so badly they selected him.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2011 07:51 AM (FkKjr)
I voted for him once and would vote for him in the unlikely event ...
I'm not so sure it's unlikely.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 07:54 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 19, 2011 07:55 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Mjim at September 19, 2011 11:50 AM (rN9Na)
SCOAMF's cool new strategy: Co-opt Republican ideas and make them sound like you're new, novel ideas.
Geitner for such an idiot, has to be the most condescending asshole on the planet.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 07:56 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: mugiwara at September 19, 2011 07:56 AM (W7ffl)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 19, 2011 07:57 AM (AZGON)
I'm relying on Jesus and Jose Cuervo to see me through these fifteen months.
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 19, 2011 07:59 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 19, 2011 08:00 AM (Z6fyp)
I'm with you. Anymore I can't stand even the sight of the SCOAMF.If he shows up on the TV I change it as quickly as possible.Makes my skin crawl.....
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 19, 2011 08:01 AM (5Wl/f)
Right away.
Right away as soon as I exist that is.
Just to reiterate, sign me NOW!
In a 2-3 more weeks.
More or less.
Is that crystal clear?
Posted by: The Bill at September 19, 2011 08:01 AM (MKxSB)
Posted by: Texan Economist at September 19, 2011 08:02 AM (UYqvF)
RomneyCare
Ethanol Subsidies
Liberal Enough to be voted into office in MA.
And yet you think we shouldn't have questions about Romney's conservatism? I'm more concerned about those who assure us that he's just fine, with no qualms.
At least Perry Supporters will agree that he has warts. We just say we're willing to accept those warts in comparison to our other options.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 08:02 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: The other part of the Bill at September 19, 2011 08:03 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 19, 2011 08:04 AM (Z6fyp)
Posted by: mugiwara at September 19, 2011 08:05 AM (W7ffl)
If Romney secures the nomination I will write in a vote for my preference in the general. After that will come a party line vote down ticket.
The personal preference would be to vote for the winner of a Palin/Perry shoot-out. Either would be more representative of true conservatives.
Posted by: irongrampa at September 19, 2011 08:08 AM (SAMxH)
There should be some
kind of award for saying things like this.
Reality is for people who can't handle the mainstream media.
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 19, 2011 08:09 AM (Hx5uv)
p.s. what is the secret to posting an active link without getting that "long string message"? is there a faq here somewhere? *glances at knife near wrist*
Errol, tinyurl is your friend and is very easy to use. Simply go to the website, plug in the original url and it will provide two options of smaller urls for you to use: one a preview url and another direct link. I always use the direct link. Just copy it and paste it here in the link thingy.
Posted by: As If! at September 19, 2011 08:16 AM (LyOUH)
hope ye enjoy International Talk Like A Pirate Day
shiver me timbers with all this DOOM talk
Posted by: Pirate chemjeff at September 19, 2011 08:17 AM (czcue)
That indicates that you think that Flake's conservatism is as pure as the driven snow (hyperbole- but it gets the point across) and that anyone questioning those who would endorse Romney are the ones on whom it "reflects poorly."
I was pointing out that exactly the opposite is true: Anyone who endorses Romney has to answer at least those three charges to explain why he/she thinks that Romney is conservative enough.
I will never defend Perry on immigration (I'll point out he's not quite as bad as some of his critics would like to believe, but I'll never claim he's some hard-border guy). I'll readily admit TTC and Gardisil were bad ideas (again, not as bad as his opponents would like you to believe, though).
When has any Romney supporter said- flat out "I really wish Romney would not have signed RomneyCare into law, or at least would stop defending it as some massive success?" Or when have they ever said, "Really, Mitt? I'm a supporter, here, but you make it so much harder when you come out for things like Ethanol Subsidies, or you make Dem-lite Medi-Scare attacks."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 08:17 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 08:18 AM (eOXTH)
See, I hope that isn't it. Conservatives should be above that kind of thing.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 08:18 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 08:19 AM (eOXTH)
Good to see Jeff Flake supporting Romney. He sees priority one as electing someone competent, right of center, and articulate. Someone capable of accomplishing job #1, which is beating Obama. Smart move on his part, and well appreciated.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 19, 2011 08:19 AM (b68Df)
well right now I am on the fence between Romney and Perry
and I would agree with that, I wish Romney would drop the support for ethanol subsidies & the like
arrrr
Posted by: Pirate chemjeff at September 19, 2011 08:20 AM (czcue)
Posted by: Patriot's inflamed pancreas at September 19, 2011 08:21 AM (p9ikY)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 12:17 PM (8y9MW)
DITTO
+1000
Exactly what I've picked up from the Romneytards
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 19, 2011 08:22 AM (3XDPM)
It's too bad that Wendy's has to play catch up with McDonald's when McDonald's serves an inferior burger.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2011 08:22 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 19, 2011 08:23 AM (0q2P7)
hope ye enjoy International Talk Like A Pirate Day
shiver me timbers with all this DOOM talk
Posted by: Pirate chemjeff at September 19, 2011 12:17 PM (czcue)
Arrrggghhh... but us Pirates know all about Doom.... and how fickle both Fortune and the Sea is...
Dooommmm... is running out of Rum before yer passin out...
Doooommmmm.... is being caught in deep water by a Man O' War...
Doooommm.... is using yer Letter of Marque to take a ship, then findin out the Wars been over for a month or three...
Posted by: Romeo13, who actualy has taken over a merchant ship at September 19, 2011 08:23 AM (NtXW4)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 08:23 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 08:24 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at September 19, 2011 08:25 AM (fC6FZ)
also on the Flake endorisng Romney cause he's a fellow mormon, sorry it's the most likely truth. Fact is when you can identify with a candidate your willing to put some things aside. Yes conservatives should be above that but it's human instinct. I'm latino, and if someone's foaming at the mouth on the dangers of hispanics as oppose to someone explaining b/w legal and illegal immigration i'll be more willing to listen to the guy not putting me in the boat of all illegal immigrants. If a guy is atheist it might turn me off a little as opposed to his foe being a like-minded christian like me. Not saying it's 100% of the reasoning for Flake but religion can be a part that played into his decision. THAT said, Flake is a great conservative and all that but he got it wrong on this one.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 19, 2011 08:26 AM (3XDPM)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 19, 2011 08:27 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: A hung over blogger at September 19, 2011 08:27 AM (RD7QR)
American Super Conductor
This is yet another govt-subsidized "green" energy company (based in MA) that is about to go tits up.
But with American Super Conductor there is a twist. One of its engineers sold company secrets to China.
So it's got that going for it, too, which is nice.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2011 08:28 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 19, 2011 08:28 AM (PLvLS)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 19, 2011 12:27 PM (OhYCU)
Gallup exaggerates trends, look to Rasmussen and Real Clear's Average to see a conservative estimate of where things stand. 45% in Ras and 44% average in polling. I'd say it's about right with the curve he's had as prez
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 19, 2011 08:29 AM (3XDPM)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 19, 2011 08:30 AM (nRTou)
In Obama's world a person who earns one million dollars in salary pays a lower tax rate than someone earning fifty-thousand dollars.
Well that's what you'd think if you listened to Obama today.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2011 08:32 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 08:32 AM (eOXTH)
Well of course, Warren Buffet says so. Warren Buffet wouldn't lie would he?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 08:34 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2011 12:32 PM (sqkOB)
he's basing everything on Buffet's big mouth. Buffet has no clue the diff b/w capital gains, income, and payroll taxes. He also owes taxes he hasn't paid. The guy has been propped up as some wise man of economics when all he is a Dem tool to claim taxing the rich will help.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at September 19, 2011 08:35 AM (3XDPM)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 19, 2011 08:35 AM (jucos)
If the first Ace thread of the day is an Epic Movie Review, I won't know whether to laugh or cry.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 08:35 AM (8y9MW)
Do both?
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 19, 2011 08:36 AM (136wp)
*bzzzt* I'm sorry, but the answer we were looking for is "Buffet is a lying Douche-Nozzle."
Warren Buffet certainly understands the difference: he doesn't want competition.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 08:37 AM (8y9MW)
I'm curious to know Warren Buffet's views on taxes, oh, thirty-forty years ago.
You know, before he was a billionaire. You think Buffett was in favor of taxing the high-earners back in the '70's when he was just a regular millionaire shmuck?
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2011 08:37 AM (sqkOB)
But now that Warren has his massive fortune, taxes for his competition, as Allen puts it, are a-okay.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2011 08:39 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 19, 2011 08:39 AM (OhYCU)
We haven't had a review in a while. I'd cry if it was another GOP primary post.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 19, 2011 08:39 AM (u83UF)
OT: Hi, I am a longtime lurker and need some help if anyone here is bored enough to do it. There is a message board I read that is not political in nature but political topics get started and all the liberals dominate those threads because the conservatives there just do not want to deal with it.
Someone started a thread called "Anne Coulter vs. single moms" and it degenerated into "only Republicans use hate speech and show us where liberals say hateful things."
For some reason I cannot post on that board from my computer at work so was wondering if anyone wants to go over there and reply since the Republicans over there can't seem to come up with Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Keith Obermann, Ed Schultz etc. as examples.
If you google "MM Invisapeeps" (yes that is an "a" in the middle) it is the first thing that comes up and that thread is still on the first page.
Thanks in advance and Ace, if you object to my doing this here and delete this comment I understand.
Posted by: KLI50 at September 19, 2011 08:39 AM (jUlH/)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 08:40 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 19, 2011 08:40 AM (i6RpT)
"in the American Jobs Act, Obama is proposing a new group of czars as a part of his "jobs" act-- the American Infrastructure Financing Authority (AIFA) czars. "
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 19, 2011 08:41 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 08:42 AM (eOXTH)
HereÂ’s my plan: We take this stuff that dems are saying essentially calling SCOAMF a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, and we go to the lefty blogs and start defending SCOAMF on one hand and the dem attackers of SCOAMF on the other hand and see if we can start some epic flame wars!
We can say things like, “It’s not true that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure! He only stutters when he doesn’t have his teleprompter!”
Whose in?
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 08:44 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2011 08:44 AM (l5dj7)
I'd cry if it was another GOP primary post.
If it's another GOP primary post, I will find a way to come through the computer to slap people.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 19, 2011 08:44 AM (VtjlW)
I am going to out on a limb here and predict that Obama defines a millionaire as anyone who makes more than $250,000 $200,000 a year.
AoSHQ Morons are almost always on mark.
Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 19, 2011 09:13 AM (71LDo)
And if they get away with that, then they'll go for the people making $70,000 a year. After all, marxism doesn't work until the middle-class is destroyed. That's what they're trying to do here.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 19, 2011 08:45 AM (hu3+N)
Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at September 19, 2011 08:45 AM (fC6FZ)
There are no words......
Posted by: lu at September 19, 2011 08:46 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: KLI50
The best thing to do is to ignore dishonest partisan cranks. They live in their own world with their own truth.
so...fuck 'em
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2011 08:46 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 19, 2011 08:48 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2011 08:49 AM (l5dj7)
It's still my day off, but not the wife's.
Since this thread went up, I've showered, done 2 loads of laundry, avoided the presidink, watered the garden, had a nice homegrown breakfast, and now I'm off to get groceries and other supplies.
I'm wondering if the DOOM post will still be up?
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 19, 2011 08:49 AM (Qxe/p)
oh!
speaking of old cranks...
Mike Gravel was on the radio in Boston this morning. He's trying to get a referendum on the ballot in several states that will re-investigate 9/11.
He's saying he's just asking questions...BUT...if you ask him, Dick Cheney was behind 9/11.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2011 08:50 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: arhooley at September 19, 2011 08:50 AM (m2CtJ)
That NY Mag article proves it. I mean he's trying to make the case he's their ally -- look at the picture they used. That body language says Bibi is thinking "I've dropped deuces more commanding than you".
Posted by: lu at September 19, 2011 08:51 AM (pLTLS)
Mike Gravel wants everyone to know he's NOT a conspiratorial nut.
But he is. Not just about 9/11. He has theories about Viet Nam.
AND WWI.
Yep. General Pershing is guilty of genocide.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2011 08:53 AM (sqkOB)
Not only is General Pershing guilty of the mass murder of American soldiers, but the media and govt covered it up.
Yep. Fox News circa WWI.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2011 08:55 AM (sqkOB)
Kind words for the MFM from their Canadian colleagues. WellÂ… kind may be a bit of an overstatement.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 08:55 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 08:56 AM (eOXTH)
There are no words......
Posted by: lu
That would be a reference to his love of wholesale slaughter of our economy.
Posted by: Mr Smee at September 19, 2011 08:57 AM (326rv)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 08:58 AM (eOXTH)
Whoa! Even I know this crosses the cruelty line! Nevada Dems imply that SCOAMF has leprosy!
ThatÂ’s just harsh!
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 08:59 AM (jx2j9)
Romney is a joke. Romney isn't right of center, he is a democrat...might as well be Bloomberg. Aside from garnering support from Mormon cultists, he won't get enough support to beat Obama.
No. Actually Romney is fairly conservative. Look at his positions on the issues. He had to compromise considering he was governing of an extremely liberal state.
Perry had the advantage of governing in a conservative state, yet supported the Trans Texas Corridor, one of the most gargantuan public works eminent domain land grabs in United States history. Conservative Republicans & Democrats were thankfully able to stop it. It was big government monstrosity.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 19, 2011 09:00 AM (b68Df)
That Romney will win in the long run, and is hoping for a seat at the table for being an early supporter. It's simply a horse race bet, and purely political. It means very little to me except that Flake is willing to put strict ideology aside for political reasons if it will advance his career. Which if he represented me would be a black mark, but since he's nowhere near me, it's not a huge issue.
So yeah, supporting Romney does make me as a reflex not view Romney any better, but view the supporter worse. And the Romney supporters who think that is somehow prejudicial need to f*ing remember this is the second time he's ran. We've had *plenty* of time to get to know him and form a solid opinion about him. One that is not likely to change since he hasn't put any more lines on his resume since the last time he ran, other than, was the great grand daddy of O-care.
So folks coming out with an endorsement aren't going to have the same effect because Romney is not an unknown quantity like the other candidates, thanks to his national primary last time.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 19, 2011 09:01 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 19, 2011 09:01 AM (0M3AQ)
fair share
millionaire
jobs plan
OdipO keeps using these words but no journalist is ever smart enough to ask him what he thinks they mean.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 19, 2011 09:02 AM (jiVmv)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 09:02 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 09:03 AM (EPcuy)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 19, 2011 09:04 AM (i6RpT)
Or had a campaign debt to pay off.
Posted by: Tim Pawlenty is credible at September 19, 2011 09:05 AM (sOXQX)
I'm not so sure it's unlikely.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2011 11:54 AM (sbV1u)
I don't see him having a path to the nomination. If his plan is to win Florida and parlay that into success, a much smarter northeastern liberal Republican already tried that and it didn't work.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2011 09:05 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 09:05 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 12:56 PM (eOXTH)
Throw in some "Hush Bimbo" non sequiturs and it'd be as though I were reading a transcript.
Posted by: Big McLargeHuge (F/K/A Large McBigHuge) at September 19, 2011 09:06 AM (tDuwb)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 09:06 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 19, 2011 09:06 AM (hu3+N)
I guess all that money we donated last week bought a shit-load of Valu-Rite.
Here, let's fight over something important: Is if Val-U-Rite, Valu-Rite, Val U Rite, or omg I don't care just set up an IV drip?
Posted by: alexthechick at September 19, 2011 09:08 AM (VtjlW)
How about this music?
Posted by: Mjim at September 19, 2011 09:10 AM (rN9Na)
You guys know me. IÂ’m a peaceful sort. IÂ’m totally down with this push for civility in our discourse. That said, somebody should take a giant flamethrower and shove it a yard up this bastardÂ’s ass and give it a good long flaming squirt. In a civil sort of way, of course.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 09:11 AM (jx2j9)
What the hell? Lets hope this is parody... some John Stewart clown nose on.
Posted by: Mjim at September 19, 2011 09:12 AM (rN9Na)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 09:15 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 19, 2011 09:15 AM (hu3+N)
Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at September 19, 2011 09:16 AM (fC6FZ)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 19, 2011 01:04 PM (jx2j9)
I have to disagree with Klavan for once...
No one really believes THEMSELVES to be evil. They all have 'good' intentions... they just don't care about the consequence to those who are hurt by the act... or (as in Obama's case IMO) have aims which justify their means.
However, to a GROUP outside that aim... which the means hurts... it IS an evil act....
IMO Obama has, for me, crossed the line into Evil....
Posted by: Romeo13, who actualy has taken over a merchant ship at September 19, 2011 09:21 AM (NtXW4)
Posted by: Errol at September 19, 2011 09:25 AM (vewos)
Okay, if it is such a liberal state, how was it that voters were comfortable voting for such a conservative? Did he run as a liberal? Did he run as a conservative and they just didn't believe him? Why does he not treat RomneyCare like the crap-sandwhich it is and begin his defense with "No, I wouldn't sign it, in retrospect..."
Also, why is he still in favor of Ethanol subsidies? Why is he using Democrat style Medi-Scare tactics, when he, himself, described Social Security as a "criminal enterprise?"
As for the TTC- Texas is a huge, huge state. Just so you understand, El Paso is closer to San Diego than it is to Dallas/Fort Worth. Dallas is further from Houston than NYC is from Philadelphia. We need better throughput from the south to the North. I opposed TTC because it would have bypassed Fort Worth, not because it was a terrible idea. And if Eminent domain does not exist for the building of roads, then for what does it exist? Would TTC required the State to take (seize, if you will, but plenty of farmers were happy to sell) a great deal of land? Yes. Was it some Kelo-style land-grab? No, not at all.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 09:26 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: The Effete Pirate Barack at September 19, 2011 09:52 AM (QQn2O)
Okay, if it is such a liberal state, how was it that voters were comfortable voting for such a conservative? Did he run as a liberal? Did he run as a conservative and they just didn't believe him? Why does he not treat RomneyCare like the crap-sandwhich it is and begin his defense with "No, I wouldn't sign it, in retrospect..."
Also, why is he still in favor of Ethanol subsidies? Why is he using Democrat style Medi-Scare tactics, when he, himself, described Social Security as a "criminal enterprise?"
As for the TTC- Texas is a huge, huge state. Just so you understand, El Paso is closer to San Diego than it is to Dallas/Fort Worth. Dallas is further from Houston than NYC is from Philadelphia. We need better throughput from the south to the North. I opposed TTC because it would have bypassed Fort Worth, not because it was a terrible idea. And if Eminent domain does not exist for the building of roads, then for what does it exist? Would TTC required the State to take (seize, if you will, but plenty of farmers were happy to sell) a great deal of land? Yes. Was it some Kelo-style land-grab? No, not at all.
I've lived in Texas since 1971. I'm aware it's a large state. Eminent Domain exists as a tool that must be used by the goverment with the greatest of care, as it is in direct conflict with the most basic of private property rights.
The notion that all the ranch and farm owners would be pleased as punch to sell their land involuntarily is false. Some would, some wouldn't. Forcing people off their land is something that should be done only when necessary. Thankfully both Democrats and Republicans in Texas were able to thwart this gratuitous overreach of the state government.
As for Romney in Massachusetts, he portrayed himself as economic reformer with fairly progressive positions on social issues. As governor he cut spending significantly. He also raised fees. It was give and take.
Ethanol = Issue that is not of earth shaking concern to me.
E-Verify (Perry opposed it) = More important issue.
With respect to "Medi-scare", Romney is doing what is necessary to win the nomination, and more importantly innoculate himself in a general election against age old charges that we want to take away or jeopardize what's been promised to the elderly. Those who think that Perry has done himself any favors in a general election by his statements on the subject so far have got to be kidding themselves. I beginning to think that some would rather lose with Perry than win with Romney.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 19, 2011 09:59 AM (b68Df)
Posted by: steevy at September 19, 2011 12:56 PM (fyOgS)
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 04:52 AM (8y9MW)