Posted by: DrewM. at July 26, 2011 06:50 PM (WNzUA)

I believe that 30B was later re-scored to about 1/3B, and I'm sure we'll just end up spending more when they re-re-score it.

OT:

"POLITICO Breaking News
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Speaker John Boehner's deficit reduction plan has come up $150 billion short of his proposed $1 trillion in savings, according to the official estimates by the Congressional Budget Office, causing even more potential trouble with an already divided conservative caucus as Republicans push a Wednesday vote on the package aimed at raising the debt limit. The CBO estimates the first portion of Boehner's plan would create $850 billion in savings over the next decade."

not good enough, not near good enough, not even close.

Posted by: Shoey at July 26, 2011 06:43 PM (jdOk/)

Sigh. Voting Democrat in order to bring on the collapse faster is looking more and more like the right play as time goes on. There will be little entrpenurial opportunity until after the collapse (when there will be a LOT). This Republican slow-walk to doom is disgusting.

Voting for Obama is going to be very hard though. And I don't allow myself to jsut stay home. Duty to country and all that.

Will the Speaker ever figure it out that "out years" do not help in the least? Jim Jordan was not "whistling Dixie"...

Be realistic. Our tax and spend ultra hard left president isn't going to sign anything that isn't a fraud. The only way Obama signs something is if the cuts are few and fake.

At best we can hope to get Obozo out in 2012, regain control of things and repeal all his shit at that point.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at July 26, 2011 06:52 PM (QcFbt)

With a pineapple.

Posted by: The United Banana Republic at July 26, 2011 06:55 PM (r4t7/)

Bob Dole has a registered trademark on that name.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at July 26, 2011 06:52 PM (QcFbt)

With a pineapple.

Posted by: NC Ref at July 26, 2011 06:56 PM (/izg2)

So what's in it for me?

Be realistic. Our tax and spend ultra hard left president isn't going to sign anything that isn't a fraud. The only way Obama signs something is if the cuts are few and fake.

At best we can hope to get Obozo out in 2012, regain control of things and repeal all his shit at that point.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 26, 2011 06:55 PM (0fzsA)

I think there's another option.  Let Aug 2 roll by and see what happens.  I'm betting, not much.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at July 26, 2011 06:52 PM (QcFbt)

With a FLAMING pineapple.

Posted by: NC Ref at July 26, 2011 06:56 PM (/izg2)

Fixed.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

That was my theme after the election. Sucks to be correct. Again.

Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at July 26, 2011 06:52 PM (MPtFW)

it's exactly like TARP terror... on purpose.

Q: how do you get people to accept something they know is wrong?

A: you scare the holy crap out of them.

works everytime...

Be realistic. Our tax and spend ultra hard left president isn't going to sign anything that isn't a fraud. The only way Obama signs something is if the cuts are few and fake.

At best we can hope to get Obozo out in 2012, regain control of things and repeal all his shit at that point.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 26, 2011 06:55 PM (0fzsA)

You're crediting Obama with two more testicles than he actually possesses.

He'll sign whatever's put in front of him.  He hasn't got the guts to face a shutdown, much less a default.

Q: how do you get people to accept something they know is wrong?

A: you scare the holy crap out of them.

works everytime...

Posted by: Shoey at July 26, 2011 06:58 PM (jdOk/)

The correct phrasing is, "Come with me if you want to live!"

I loved that line in FEAST.

Cut Cap and Balance - or no deal. Sounds good to me. The problem is the democrats will never vote to cut cap and balance any budget - ever. They live to tax, spend and incubate the middle class welfare state (all while screwing the poor)

He'll sign whatever's put in front of him.  He hasn't got the guts to face a shutdown, much less a default.

It's never make it to him. Reid's running interference for him to maximize his re-election chances.

Posted by: Josef K. at July 26, 2011 06:59 PM (7+pP9)

Still, yes. But we're working on legislation that will require you to obtain permits and inspections to operate for a small annual fee, dreams like yours can be dangerous.

This wasn't his complaint, though. The conference didn't know about this.

He'll sign whatever's put in front of him.  He hasn't got the guts to face a shutdown, much less a default.

Posted by: stuiec at July 26, 2011 06:59 PM (Di3Im)

In the short-term, there will be no shut down and there will be no default even if nothing is passed.  This is all a bilateral posturing exercise.  It's all show for the 2012 election.

 As I mentioned in a previous thread on this topic...

Both parties are talking about a reduction in *future deficit spending,* not a return to budgets from 2007, let alone 2001 or earlier. In order to have a chance at stopping this run-away freight train, federal spending needs to be cut by at least 700 billion per year, and then cut again, every year thereafter. Yes, it'll hurt, but anything less leads to disaster. (sic: If we don't come together, as a nation, and embrace the pain, we *will* embrace the chaos.)

 The Democrat proposal is ridiculous on its face. The Republican proposal is deceptive in that it only promises a 200 billion dollar cut in borrowing money to spend on things we don't need and can't afford. iow, instead of borrowing, say, 1.2 trillion per year, the Republican proposal is to only borrow 1 trillion.  

@26: "At best we can hope to get Obozo out in 2012, regain control of things and repeal all his shit at that point."

Based on what?  Obizzle out is possible, regaining control of things is pointless as neither side is remotely serious about fixing problems, and repeal? Please - the GOP isn't exacly the party of small government.  Nibble at the edges would be the absolute best that they might do.

2012 campaign is basically just arguing over who gets to be pilot as the plane hits the mountain. 

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 26, 2011 07:07 PM (mf8Ua)

Yeah those extremist Republicans are gonna send the Asian markets into a tailspin during those 6 hours less of spending. How irresponsible.

I loved how the Obozo's press sec.Carney whined about the Tea Party. Waaaaa and eeeek! That was hilarious. More please.

Posted by: Methos at July 26, 2011 07:07 PM (sOXQX)

Yeah, we funded European banks.  Bernie Freaking Sanders might even have a problem with this.

Posted by: Zombie Amy Winehouse at July 26, 2011 07:07 PM (Zs83Q)

You ain't shitting!

We need to thank these patriots who are standing up to Obama (and the GOP leadership) and trying to save the country...Balanced budget amendment or bust...

Posted by: sifty at July 26, 2011 07:09 PM (ECjvn)

Cue the theme song from "Lowered Expectations."

If Boehner's plan gets rejected by his own party, how does that help us?
A eunuch for a Speaker doesn't help the GOP's image of leadership. Might make us feel better, but Boehner looking the fool diminishes the party brand.

Exactly what I was thinking.  The GOP just looks stupid now.  Geez.

Wow.  They had better be rewriting this bill ASAP. 

I'd like to see a 10-year plan that simply reverts the total federal budget back to what it was in 2005.

Was I expecting too much?

Or are they playing eleven-dimensional chess and I can't keep up? 

Or is the Speaker really nothing but a weeping orange boner who was mutated into an alien Beltway insider at the molecular level decades ago?

The unspoken meme from the likes of Rush and Levin seems to be if the dems get their way, Cloward and Piven is inevitable. 

Boehner called in to Rush today; Rush sounded amiable enough.  I wasn't listening too closely.  By 2:30, Rush was beyond bitter:  They think we're rubes.  We've all been duped.  What happened in between that?  The Bernie Goldberg call saying that the Aug. 2 drop-dead date was a scam?

WTF!!

CCB.

It has passed the House.

You dumbass Senators need to pass THAT!!

Posted by: sifty at July 26, 2011 07:09 PM (ECjvn)

How really real this is.  And how lopsided our nation has become.  Just a few short years ago, I tore myself up over shades of wall paint.  Now, I can't seem to figure out how to pay next month's rent.

@127: "A eunuch for a Speaker doesn't help the GOP's image of leadership. Might make us feel better, but Boehner looking the fool diminishes the party brand."

The party of "We suck ever-so-slightly less than the other guys" really isn't much of a brand.

Don't want a eunuch as Speaker? Don't install a eunuch as Speaker.

 Wait a minute...

 Ace lives in NYC?

 That explains a lot.

Posted by: Nickie Goomba at July 26, 2011 07:10 PM (jeLTI)

If Dick gets re-elected then I'm selling everything and moving to my alternate refuge. 

Posted by: jewells45 at July 26, 2011 07:17 PM (Z71Vg)

_______________________________________________________

I can top that. My sister did the same to me over a crack about the country suffering from jungle fever just before the election. Haven't heard from her since.

Over 10 years, it cuts, it is supposed, $1.1 trillion dollars.

But almost all of those cuts come in the tenth year.

Why do they do this? Why do Republicans continue to play these tired old games?

I'm afraid that 2012 may become a big disappointment for Republicans if they keep this shit up.

How about: We will cut spending to 2007 levels and wait for the budget to balance itself? Somehow life went on at that level of spending. I don't recall the streets being full of emaciated corpses being eaten by rats and dogs back then.

With two wars winding down that's actually an effective increase in funds for everything else.

hahaha

Okay, what marketing genius decided to put a Barbara Streisand ad-link on AOSHQ?

Shit, this little snafu is nothing.   All of the so-called plans are predicated on a baseline that sees spending increases of 7% a year.   They are cutting nothing more than a small percentage of expected spending.

I could smack the shit out of someone right now.

Posted by: The United Banana Republic at July 26, 2011 06:55 PM (r4t7/)

That works on so many levels, unfortunately.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 26, 2011 07:02 PM (BUX9N)

No, the point is that he is continually making unforced errors.

2012 campaign is basically just arguing over who gets to be pilot as the plane hits the mountain. 

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 26, 2011 07:08 PM (xy9wk)

That's some weapons-grade quality awesome, right there.

$1.4 Trillion in cuts for 2012. Same level of reduced spending in 2013.

$600 Billion Debt ceiling increase to get you into 2013.

See easy.

@174: "He didn't sound so thrilled this afternoon and I'm sure he's even less-so no. Same with every other Republican lawmaker who thought they were getting what was offered upfront. I don't see how this is their fault."

Wilhelm Mohnke just phoned from the basement of the Reichstag.  It was a little hard to hear him over the grenade bursts and Russian submachinegun fire, but I think he was calling to congratulate you on your unwavering devotion to a doomed cause.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 26, 2011 07:12 PM (KNDOU)

Boner is already the fool. Let me ask you this, how does his incompetent leadership help us?

Nah. We're past that. If you think you have to vote, do it based on whose cronies you want running US 2. Because if the Great Boning comes when Obama's president, we might get to enjoy the fifty-year reign of Queen Valerie Jarrett. But if the GOP is runnin' shit, she'll only be queen for 49.9999999675 years.

MOAHR!

Feed me fresh tasty budget projections!

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 26, 2011 07:14 PM (BUX9N)

Huh, way to twist things around buddy.

Boner is screwing up, period. He needs to go.

August 2nd baby, LETS GO!

Granted, my tune hasn't changed at all, because realizing the Boehner plan was a joke was pretty easy. Anytime they do these 10 year cuts, all of the cuts are on the back end. Every time. Every, single time. Yet, people still get snookered into thinking it might actually be different this time.

Give him a library card for his next birthday and tell him to call you when he's broadened his horizons enough to be able to cope with having an aunt who holds different views than his circle of hipster dufus friends. 
LOL- good idea.  And Fish- he's a college grad from MU, so that explains alot.  Plus his dad is a big union guy.  His brother is still my friend, at least last time I checked.  My daughter was kind of upset about it, but I said eh... I ain't gonna lose sleep over it.  I had my friends rolling last night, with comments I shamelessly stole from my fellow morons.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 26, 2011 07:23 PM (BUX9N)

No, dipshit, that's a straw man because noone is arguing that.

I can top that. My sister did the same to me over a crack about the country suffering from jungle fever just before the election. Haven't heard from her since.

Posted by: fr8dog at July 26, 2011 07:19 PM (NmSwV)

If you ever talk to her again, you can tell her that a black chick lol'd.

Most of my "unfriendings" for my conservative posts come from old military acquaintances and it's always the white liberal ones. Imagine that.

I think the time is rapidly approaching when I'll need to simply stop watching TV and paying attention to politics, period.

It will be the only way to preserve my sanity.

I'm reaching burn out too. It happens every few months or so.

Posted by: YRM at July 26, 2011 07:31 PM (HhCkU)

No he doesn't.  His response to pointing out that Boehner is an ineffective Speaker is to call everybody stupid and imply that nobody could do better than Boehner is.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 26, 2011 07:37 PM (uhAkr)

I said he had a good point, had nothing to say on how he said it

Posted by: soothsayer at July 26, 2011 07:35 PM (qPhRX)

Yea, but how does his actual performance help us when he's pulling shit like backloading cuts? He's not serious about this. He doesn't get it, he thinks he's got time to fiddle.

I'm not a one plan only guy, either. There are multiple ways to get me to agree with raising the ceiling. Let me list some:

1. Repeal O-care

2. Real entitlement reform

3. Cut HUNDREDS of billions of dollars from this year's budget

4. Pass CCB

5. Impeach O

I'm good with any of those 5 options to go along with an increase in the ceiling.

Posted by: Bob Dole at July 26, 2011 07:24 PM (kUaEF)

Bob, dear, I have an hour till my next appointment, if you know what I mean.

I said he had a good point, had nothing to say on how he said it

Posted by: YRM at July 26, 2011 07:38 PM (HhCkU)

I don't think his point is good either.  I think we could do better than Boehner.  That doesn't mean Sarah Palin ropes in brandishing a sword and decapitating Democrats, it means we have somebody who knows how to negotiate.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 26, 2011 07:41 PM (uhAkr)

I'm not happy with Boehner either

Bob, dear, I have an hour till my next appointment, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Liddy Dole at July 26, 2011 07:39 PM (Ew27I)

Quick, where can we find two bathtubs?

Maybe the President has some sort of colossal personal failure hidden up his sleeve. Let's not underestimate his ability to fuck up and score an own goal -- I believe in that respect he's growing into the job right before our eyes.

Posted by: Retread at July 26, 2011 07:11 PM (OLzPL)

TSA first.

Posted by: CoolCzech at July 26, 2011 07:40 PM (kUaEF)

Those that were voted out landed some sweet jobs- Stupak is a lobbyist for the Venable law firm. So the pay-offs for their votes was just compensation.

so next year we will spend $3,892 BILLION

WE will spend $3,891 BILLION

fracking sooper genuis

Good lord. Leave Boehner alone.  You guys sound like whiny bitches.

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Yes, we shouldn't say anything at all about this grand deal that is going to get us a sexy 1 billion in cuts.

Posted by: Vic at July 26, 2011 07:00 PM (M9Ie6)

unfortunately this seems the most likely outcome.

Posted by: Vic at July 26, 2011 07:00 PM (M9Ie6)

unfortunately this seems the most likely outcome.

Posted by: Shoey at July 26, 2011 07:50 PM (m6OUa)

I'm more and more convinced that it's the intended outcome.

I'm more and more convinced that it's the intended outcome.

Posted by: nickless at July 26, 2011 07:53 PM (MMC8r)

Are you unbanned? 

True, so now you better be the one to break it to Kraut, cuz I don't trust myself.

_{Especially if there's a staircase nearby.}

try this again

so THIS year we will spend $3,892 BILLION

and NEXT year we will spend $3,891 BILLION

fracking sooper genuis

Are you unbanned? 

Posted by: robtr chemjeff and nickless Liberation Front at July 26, 2011 07:54 PM (MtwBb)

Yeah.  Mr. Ace let me comeback to the Big House.

Dear Ohio please primary this prick.

sincerely,

the rest of the fucking country. 

I dont know what Boehner can do.

Senate wont vote with him.. Pres pissypants will veto.

Get what we can and wait for 2012?  Sounds like all we can do

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There is nothing to get. I mean should Boehner cave on every single issue in order to just "get something?" This terrible plan has been declared dead by both the PRes and the Senate. And it cuts NOTHING and it still isn't good enough.

This stupid President is going to veto unless the bill raises taxes AND gets this thing pushed beyond 2012. Now if Boehner goes along with that, I'll move my ass two hours north and lead the fucking charge to primary him.

Sometimes, the best thing to do is NOTHING.

Wonder if Boehner has the cajones to tell Barky to twist....

Better yet, tell the Senate that there isn't going to BE any more legislation coming from the House until a budget is passed.

Then adjourn the House.  The Senate has a bill that hasn't been voted on yet - it was just tabled.

Put it on Barky's shoulders, and let the chips fall where they may.  If that August 2nd deadline is so all-fired important, then the Senate will pass the House bill and Obama will sign it.

So what would happen if everyone changes their withholding status to 15 dependents so NO income tax was withheld??

hmm

Posted by: soothsayer at July 26, 2011 07:58 PM (KpRxj)

Depends on whether Boehner comes out and says "of course we'll honor the bonds!"

What I really get a kick out of is watching some of the same people who lectured us over and over last year about how we didn't need the Senate now finding out that, gosh, we really did need the Senate after all, but since it's easier to piss in the wind than admit they were wrong they'll just blame John Boehner for not wielding some kind of mythical absolute power.

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I don't want to get into this one again, but exactly how were we ever going to take the Senate? Even if the horrible Christine O and Sharon Angle don't run, and even if the two people you preferred managed to win (big if), that still doesn't get the majority. It was an impossible feat in 2010.

Which one, this one?  'Cause Bachmann even voted against CCB.

The one I was listening to was Medved.  My point is that maybe she saw Boehner's garbage for what it was.  Blind squirrel, nut . . .

To hell with gold IÂ’m investing in Vaseline cause i think we're going to need it. 

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 26, 2011 08:06 PM (o2lIv)

Most voters simply don't pay enough attention, and that's killing us.

try this again

so THIS year we will spend $3,892 BILLION

and NEXT year we will spend $3,891 BILLION

fracking sooper genuis

hey I'm repeating myself

Kinda like TOTUS, it only holds 6 speaches.

Posted by: Travis at July 26, 2011 08:01 PM (9WkMB)

Yeah sure go ahead and run primary challengers to him.  Maybe he'll only win with 74% of the primary vote instead of the 84% he got last year.  The guy is not Mike Castle.  He'd probably be getting Tea Party support if he were running as a first time candidate.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 26, 2011 07:52 PM (o2lIv)

He has indicated by calling banks etc He won't default, (there is no need to anyway)the funds are there if He chooses.

as far as sacrifices I know there is talk of closing Gitmo again, Which would assist in His regaining some of the hard Left, as it would be a move in the left direction in time for the elections.

maybe another reduction in military budgets,  using drones % intelligence as He has said?

Idon't think He'd do any REAL sacrifice for us, But He might jerk everyone around with Medias' help.

But can we financially hang on, we know how bad it is for appx 10% plus of the population I am speaking of His doubling down between now and then on regualtions winniners and losers, stealing from some americans to give to His cronies.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 26, 2011 08:03 PM (yFHtF)

No, I didn't, and I meant "should." I sure as hell wouldn't buy Obamabonds.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 26, 2011 08:06 PM (HBqDo)

Nooooo, not true!   

I do think people need an e-mail contact (or two) of others here.  It helps when the unbanned can comment on the banned.

If it ever happens to you, e-mail me at moronettetami at gmail dot com.

Yeah sure go ahead and run primary challengers to him.  Maybe he'll only win with 74% of the primary vote instead of the 84% he got last year.  The guy is not Mike Castle.  He'd probably be getting Tea Party support if he were running as a first time candidate.

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Pretty much agree. He isn't a sell-out like Scott Brown or something. He's just not a strong leader.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 26, 2011 07:58 PM (BUX9N)

the solution is playing out, Vic already said it, congressional deadlock, presidential shennigans, QE3 & 4, hyper-inflation, collapse, and then finally, re-build.

i just hope they don't drag it all out over 20 years, if we can kick enough backbone in the GOP we can collapse it sooner which will lead to less suffering and misery.

Posted by: alexthechick at July 26, 2011 08:04 PM (sf+iw)

It reminds me of the Republican party in my native Philadelphia.  They're not interested in, you know, actually winning elections-- their goal is to negotiate with the Dem machine to maximize the patronage positions they control.  Sickening.   It's like Shaw's "we've already established what you are; we're just haggling over price"

Even the ones trying their best to do the right thing, be they fresmen, RSC members, or others? What purpose would it serve? You cannot blame everyone in the House for something they did not know. 

Every time I trust these assholes to do the right thing, they cave.  Why should I trust Ryan, et al?  Seriously.  And further, why should I get excited about our chances in 2012?  We can't get this thing right, but we're supposed to take back the presidency?  Not bloody likely.

Forgive me Eeyore-itude, but fuck these people.  They don't have our best interests at heart.

Yeah this is ridiculous.  The GOP had the upper hand in the PR wars after the last few days but now putting out a crappy plan will split them.  Still think the most likely outcome is House doesn't pass the Boner plan, Senate passes the sham Reid plan, O/Senate/MSM push the Reid plan, and the GOP House caves after they are relentlessly labelled obstructionists.  So O gets his 2.5B debt increase with no strings.

Boner had better be moving to the conservative side to get his bill passed, not to the Dem side,

And it is still unbelievable that these geniuses can't find at least 1% (39B) to cut as a starting point - hell just going back to 2007 levels knocks 1T off annually.

so THIS year we will spend $3,892 BILLION

and NEXT year we will spend $3,891 BILLION

fracking sooper genuis

I put that in Excel and  reducing 3.8T by 1B = 0%

[.00026 actually]

bitchinn'

Posted by: lions at July 26, 2011 08:13 PM (Mp19R)

Yes because when you are negotiating with a guy that wants something at 50 and you want it at 150, when he rejects the 150 you make it 200.  Oh and the other guy has made it clear that he's the one willing to walk away and put all the blame on you for everything.

Re 412 - forgot to note - has the CBO scored the sham Reid plan yet?  I remember the CBO has come up with some screwy scores in the past so I wouldn't be suprised if they scored it better than the Boner plan

We needed at least $4 trillion in "real" cuts to prevent a downgrade.  That'll never happen with the MFM providing air cover.  Same if we hit the ceiling w/ anything currently on any table, and Oblunder decides to withhold grandma's checks.  It's the GOP fault.  Just  Shut.  It.  Down.  No matter what we do, we get downgraded, and Oblather gets a twofer - 1) blame it on the GOP, and he sails to re-election, and 2) one more foundation laid toward the culmanation of their ultimate plan - Cloward-Piven.

At least Boner wasn't as far off with his math this time.

Check my math:

Doesn't the federal government basically spend about 10 billion a day while taking in approximately 6 billion in revenue?

So basically, cutting 1 billion is like six hours - out of a year. 

Yes because when you are negotiating with a guy that wants something at 50 and you want it at 150, when he rejects the 150 you make it 200.  Oh and the other guy has made it clear that he's the one willing to walk away and put all the blame on you for everything.

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Not sure what you're talking about here. When did Boehner up the stakes? They started with CCB, and since then we've got this plan, which CLEARLY moves towards Obama. Now your second point is interesting because it's true. I just don't understand why we aren't ok with playing the same game. If they are willing to walk away, we should be too.

Forgive me Eeyore-itude, but fuck these people.  They don't have our best interests at heart.

You don't think the Tea Party influence and lawmakers have changed anything? They're passing better bills, reinforcing the veteran conservatives, and doing their best to hold-back Obama. Events such as this don't change that. If the conference hadn't been so adamant about withholding judgment until they read the bill, we might not have known about this until after-the-fact. Moreover, we probably would have had worse than this enacted by now.

Posted by: nevergiveup at July 26, 2011 08:20 PM (i6RpT)

Yes, albeit with an asterisk. But it's a moot point - the Evil Empire would never allow mere lightning to interfere.

Do not condemn RINOs.  They do the best they can.  They try in secret, in the dead of night, to reduce the deficit.  They try to stop Obama in the ways they know best.

Its their intentions that matter.  That's why politicians caught commiting crimes go to jail.  Like Charlie Rangel or Barney Frank.  Thats why politicians manage to incrase their personnal wealth tenfold while in office.

So do not hasten to condemn RINOs.  For they forge alliances with the Democrats that allow government to flourish and grow.  So this expanded government can protect us against baseball players taking steroids, or take steps to put the government in the pornography business by X-raying all airline travellers (the govt. will safeguard those images, we swear it) or advance science by dictating the type of toilet you can use.

Yes RINOs are essential in making government grow and taking more money out of your pockets so your superiors can mandate what you can and cannot do.

So do not be extreme.  Do not hunt RINOs.  Washington couldn't be DC without RINOs.  Cherish them, embrace them, protect them.

They cheat, lie, and mislead you for the benefit of the people!

Yes because when you are negotiating with a guy that wants something at 50 and you want it at 150, when he rejects the 150 you make it 200. Oh and the other guy has made it clear that he's the one willing to walk away and put all the blame on you for everything.

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Not sure what you're talking about here. When did Boehner up the stakes? They started with CCB, and since then we've got this plan, which CLEARLY moves towards Obama. Now your second point is interesting because it's true. I just don't understand why we aren't ok with playing the same game. If they are willing to walk away, we should be too.

Posted by: Rich at July 26, 2011 08:20 PM (OX4OZ)

Boehner is the one offering 150, Obama is saying 50.  So what good does it do for Boehner to increase to 200?

As for why we aren't ok with playing the same game?  Because they feel like it will be a loss for the Republicans.  They are the ones that will be blamed for default no matter the truth of the matter.  As for why we're not willing to walk away, well if walking away is seen as damaging to the country, why would you want them to?

Boehner is the one offering 150, Obama is saying 50.  So what good does it do for Boehner to increase to 200?

As for why we aren't ok with playing the same game?  Because they feel like it will be a loss for the Republicans.  They are the ones that will be blamed for default no matter the truth of the matter.  As for why we're not willing to walk away, well if walking away is seen as damaging to the country, why would you want them to?

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1. So you think Boehner should honestly go ahead and compromise even more from THIS plan? This plan that cuts 1 billion next year..he should just scrap that and get even close to Obama? By doing what..raising taxes?

2. It will always be a loss for Republicans. I don't get you people who sit and ponder over who will "get the blame." The mediea ALWAYS, NO MATTER WHAT will put the blame on the Rs. Stop fretting. It's the way it is and always will be. There is no way of changing it.

3. I don't think walking away is going to damage the country more than raising the ceiling w/o serious spending cuts.

You don't think the Tea Party influence and lawmakers have changed anything? They're passing better bills, reinforcing the veteran conservatives, and doing their best to hold-back Obama. Events such as this don't change that. If the conference hadn't been so adamant about withholding judgment until they read the bill, we might not have known about this until after-the-fact. Moreover, we probably would have had worse than this enacted by now.

I think they're doing just okay.  To quote Biden, this is a big fucking deal . . . and the GOP is fucking it up!  And that - to me - is unforgivable.   By time the Tea Party gets enough power to stop this crap, we won't have an economy left to save.  And it infuriates me that Boehner and these a-holes don't take this seriously.

I can't wait to see Obama, Biden, Reid, Pelosi, Boehner, Cantor and McConnell up on a stage somewhere on August 1st at 11:00 EDT for the signing, all backslaps and gladhands.

I will not call for violence, and I will feel good about my restraint.

428 OK Baseball question. Yankees up 1-0 thru 5. CC pitching a perfect game. Lightning and storms on the horizon. if the game is called, itÂ’s an official game, is it a perfect game?

Figures.  I have tickets to tomorrow afternoon's game.

Ryan's budget was a joke as well, and no one wanted to admit it.

His plan relied on passing strict entitlement reform for Medicare where the savings would be seen decades from now, but not make difficult choices on entitlement spending and discretionary spending in the meantime.

It made the same ridiculous assumption as Boehner's plan that Republicans would always control something and be able to block changes to the 2011 projections and plan.

How can Ryan not support Boehner when Ryan's 'plan' did the same thing?

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I'll continue to give a pass to  a plan that touches a major entitlement. It's an extremely risky political move for someone to do that, and because he's the only one I've seen offer a plan that does it, I'm not sure why I should criticize his plan.

I wish Charles Krauthammer was the president; he's delicious!!!

I could act like a wheelchair gimp if that's what you like.  I'm already a gimp.  I'll just put wheels on my couch.

The drinking thing didn't help me much.

I don't know if there's going to be an actual collapse or whether it's just going to be decades of stagnation like Japan. Most times I think like Vic, and see collapse. But the entire world's economy is tied to the health of the US. That leaves the United States plenty of wiggle room to cook the numbers, devalue the dollar, plunder the productive for a few decades until collapse does come.

I miss drinking....

What I'm not hearing from the Keyboard Warriors is what they think they would be able to accomplish in the position he is in.
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Oh, thank you for asking.

Don't raise the debt ceiling.

That is all.

Tarp's on the field, Yanks up 3-0 and CC is still perfect having struck out the last 7 men in a row

And tomorrow, the Yankees will get their clocks cleaned with my luck.  Holy shit, the Eeyore is strong in me today.

Don't raise the debt ceiling.

That is all.

Posted by: Truman North at July 26, 2011 08:37 PM (K2wpv)

YES YES YES.

Not raising the debt ceiling is basically an instant balanced budget amendment. 

Pass a law instructing that the interest on the debt, SS (but not SSDI), and military pay MUST be paid for before the government pays out any other money.

Force Obama to screw his constituency or set himself up for impeachment.

It has to go 7 innings to be a game.

Be realistic. Our tax and spend ultra hard left president isn't going to sign anything that isn't a fraud. The only way Obama signs something is if the cuts are few and fake.

At best we can hope to get Obozo out in 2012, regain control of things and repeal all his shit at that point.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 26, 2011 06:55 PM (0fzsA)

Be realistic - that is never going to happen even if they control the Legislature and the Presidency with filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. The Republicans had plenty of time to rollback YEARS of big government after W was elected and didn't even TRY. They could have solved the border and illegal immigrant issue, but instead chose to pander, hoping to win more voters - just like the Democrats. They could have done away with the Dept. of Education - they expanded it. They gave us Medicare Part D and the TSA for fucks sake.

They expanded government. Then expanded it some more.

They LIKE spending and they LIKE big government as long as they have say in it.

@291: "What REALLY pisses me off about all this is, we saw many, many liberal Democrats willingly commit political suicide voting for Obamacare. They knew it would cost them, yet they did what they did because of their political beliefs. How come Republicans never seem willing to make that sort of principles sacrifice on behalf of conservatism and the American nation?"

Democrats believe in the Glorious Socialist Utopia.  Republicans use conservatism and America as marketing slogans.  In the main, they do not believe in either - they believe in a Glorious Socialist Utopia with them in charge.

After skimming through the comments, a few random thoughts triggered by good morons.

Neither side will allow a shut down of more than a few days. Doing so would expose the fraudulent scare tactics and lead to a general  unraveling of the power structure. So forget about that.

Not that it's a reason to feel better, but we passed the tipping point about 3 years ago on default. That's why we don't have a budget. The next real one will trigger one of those credit downgrades everyone keeps talking about.

The answer? The alternatives are the crash or the slow death of currency dilution. I prefer the crash, and the sooner the better as I'm getting old.

Vote Democrat from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

_{Be realistic - that is never going to happen even if they control the Legislature and the Presidency with filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. The Republicans had plenty of time to rollback YEARS of big government after W was elected and didn't even TRY. They could have solved the border and illegal immigrant issue, but instead chose to pander, hoping to win more voters - just like the Democrats. They could have done away with the Dept. of Education - they expanded it. They gave us Medicare Part D and the TSA for fucks sake.}

_{They expanded government. Then expanded it some more.}

_{They LIKE spending and they LIKE big government as long as they have say in it.}

Fuckin A Right.

Probably not. I mean Seattle is in town after all

"I didn't know they still had a team." - Major League

1. So you think Boehner should honestly go ahead and compromise even more from THIS plan? This plan that cuts 1 billion next year..he should just scrap that and get even close to Obama? By doing what..raising taxes?

2. It will always be a loss for Republicans. I don't get you people who sit and ponder over who will "get the blame." The mediea ALWAYS, NO MATTER WHAT will put the blame on the Rs. Stop fretting. It's the way it is and always will be. There is no way of changing it.

3. I don't think walking away is going to damage the country more than raising the ceiling w/o serious spending cuts.

Posted by: Rich at July 26, 2011 08:31 PM (OX4OZ)

1. You mean the plan that is already being rewritten?  And I'm talking about just from a negotiation standpoint that when you are doing it you don't jump to a position even farther away from the counter offer.  If you are trying to buy a used car that is listed at $5,000 and you only want to pay $4,000 so you say you will buy it for $3,000 are you going to think the salesman is serious when he tells you $6,000?

2.  And of course we're going to get the blame.  I'd rather take the blame with a solution though than to take the blame while sitting around with our thumbs up our ass.  You know its nice to be able to throw it in their faces that you are not to blame, rather than having to admit "yeah we didn't do a damn thing"

3.  You mean the spending cuts that the House has been trying to make a part of this, even if sometimes poorly?

Pass a law instructing that the interest on the debt, SS (but not SSDI), and military pay MUST be paid for before the government pays out any other money.

Unnecessary.  Let Obama tell us where his priorities lie.

"...only to receive dictatorships..."

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout

I will repeat what I wrote this morning for the evening morons...

Any politician selling big savings over numbers of years, especially when they span several election cycles, is full of shit. THIS. GETS. US. NOWHERE.

Sorry Lucy, I'm not kicking the ball this time.

Unnecessary.  Let Obama tell us where his priorities lie.

Posted by: Truman North at July 26, 2011 08:42 PM (K2wpv)

I think there is a fair chance he could refuse to pay the interest on the debt or SS and blame the Republicans for it. 

On military pay, well, this is one area he could, and would, screw conservatives.

Why give him the opportunity?

One of the big problems we have is that special interests can always collude for more funds from Uncle Sugar. Force a situation where they have to spend their energies fighting each other and the leftwing coalition falls apart - unions vs enviros, feminists vs Islamists, big business corporatists vs trial lawyers, etc...

Posted by: nevergiveup at July 26, 2011 08:44 PM (i6RpT)

Once a fully-stretched out arm starts to cool, It's dangerous to bring it back when the body is starting its recovery process.  (Remember, pitching is as much of an unnatural act as when my mom caught me in the bathroom when I was 12.) 

Posted by: Big T Party at July 26, 2011 08:44 PM (FfyYt)

Third parties don't help. The only third party that could help the US is far to the right of republicans. As it is now, there are debates over word choice to avoid scaring the middle.

Bob, dear, I have an hour till my next appointment, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Liddy Dole at July 26, 2011 07:39 PM (Ew27I)

Quick, where can we find two bathtubs?

Posted by: Bob Dole at July 26, 2011 07:44 PM (QKKT0)

Don't get Bob Dole wrong, hon.  You're still Bob Dole's best girl, but Bob Dole doesn't think the hoochykoo is worth risking a broken hip with those gottdamned tubs,

I don't think Boehner is at fault here. He is cobbling together votes, and obviously the majority of the Republican caucas consists of big-spending idiots. If Boehner gets out in front of them he loses votes. I get the sense he can only buy a few in a case like this.

Boehner is just the canary telling us the Republican mine is posioned.

I'm open to abuse on this idea, go for it.

Posted by: willow at July 26, 2011 08:50 PM (h+qn

willow, please explain the age-old affection of women for shoes.  I pray you.   We straight men sincerely, honestly, do not understand.  G spot?  I understand.  Shoes?  I got nothing

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2011 08:45 PM (FBr/C)

this is why 10 year budgets don't matter, BBA's don't matter, spending caps don't matter, term limits don't matter.

they do whatever they want because we keep sending them back, what incentive do they have to stop?

that new guy\gal you like, the one you think is so great.

after 2 or 3 terms they will be as corrupt as the rest of them.

Congress is like a toilet, it has to be flushed regularly.

Posted by: Vic at July 26, 2011 08:52 PM (M9Ie6)

And the reason most of the time I think you're right, is because, like Monty's pointed out plenty of times on the DOOM thread, there's no political will to do what's needed. Any cuts are met with sob stories in the media and circuses like in Wisconsin - and that's for the minor cuts.

I expected the Republicans to collapse earlier in the year. I'm still hoping for a long term holdout and no raise on the debt ceiling. Mentally, I see this as the last hill before DOOM world.

@422: "I like the strategy I used with my kids and curfew- every comeback, I moved the time:

me: 11:00
kid: Mom! 11:30
me: OK, 1045
kid: Aw, geez, Mom!!
me: OK, OK. 10:30"

Don't think we won't remember that when the time comes to put you in a Rest Home.

Posted by: dɥoǝuýxƃýɹl

that's cute!

I say grab Harry's plan, add the Balanced Budget Amendment to it and call it a win.

Because: we are going to get down graded regardless, the cuts are not deep enough and don't fix anything long term.

Therefore, Obama has set up Boehner to take the fall when we are downgraded and interest rates go up.  That is what that speech was about.  Now Obama can say he warned the country that Republicans were going to cause a downgrade.

This is about 2012, not the debt ceiling anymore.

There is almost nothing left to win but the PR game! The cuts are meaningless. At least taxes are off the table.

But a Balanced Buget Agreement would be pretty big. Especially if it was worded so that the buget had to be balanced with cuts, not tax increases. It would be nothing now, but long term it could change history.  Take it to the states.

Since Republicans were so accomodating on Reid's plan, they can't be blamed for the down grade.  That would keep Obama from making his planned "I told you so speech."

I do not believe there is anything to keep the down grade from happening at this point.  It is all PR now.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2011 08:45 PM (FBr/C)

We conservatives have never had anybody really represent us; even under Reagan the government still grew and despite that the libs screamed like the world was about to end.  That's why I'm skeptical about how much cutting can really be done; the pols of both parties are so conditioned to growing government that it's codified in their DNA. The Tea Party should have a target on the forehead of every fuckhead that Rove helped elect as a starting point.

The only way is to start cutting entire departments.  Dept. of Energy gone. 

Dept of Education gone.  Just go right down the list of shit that is not enumerated in the Constitution.  I want to see mid level Washington wennies out in the street.

Posted by: toby928™ at July 26, 2011 08:58 PM (GTbGH)

What other hours are there?

How come Republicans never seem willing to make that sort of principles sacrifice on behalf of conservatism and the American nation?"

Because very few of them are conservatives.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 26, 2011 09:05 PM (TMB3S)

This, all of this.

I once read - in my wife's Cosmo,

The last time I got slapped by my wife was last week. We are in the checkout line at the local grocery, and there is Cosmo. Its article “50 Sex Moves that Drive Men Crazy”.

Told the wife no reason to read the article, I knew what number 1 was. When she asked, I simply quoted Mel Gibson, “First, you will…………..”.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 26, 2011 09:05 PM (OWjjx)

Quote Ron White.  "Touch his Pleasure Zone.  Touch it 50 times"

"WH guy on CNN is saying Boehner's plan won't pass the Senate anyway"

You know what that's like?

President Barack Obama threatened on Tuesday to veto Republican emergency legislation to avert an unprecedented default as the clash over the U.S. debt deepened with a deadline only a week away.

This from MSNBC. Of course this means the Republicans are being intransigent.  How can they publish this shit?

At this point I actually think I will become a liberal.  At the very least I agree with the proposition that we might as well keep Obama in, let him screw up the whole works by borrowing another $6 trillion over four more years, abort more babies, abolish marriage between a man and a woman,  approve sexual orientation between a human and any other creature after which MAYBE Americans will wake up.

At least until that happens I will not have to defend any more RINOS, will not have to walk away from inane northeast vacous liberals and their empty headed foolish conversations. Might even teach my children Chinese and move to prosperous Mexico.

$1 billion indeed !  

.

I have yet to draw a nickle of SS or any other government money so kiss my ass you shit. The only thing you have harped on is politics of the elect another fucking squish. '

last post ever to you I'm tired of assholes in our own Party who give up for fucking electability.

So yeah, get the fuck OFF my lawn.

The last time I got slapped by my wife was last week. We are in the checkout line at the local grocery, and there is Cosmo. Its article “50 Sex Moves that Drive Men Crazy”.

Ironing shirts? 

Posted by: willow at July 26, 2011 09:05 PM (h+qn

To quote Seinfeld:  "legs?  I got legs"

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 26, 2011 09:16 PM (OWjjx)

Here's the joke from which I derived that from:

So Boehner is delaying the vote til after Wesnesday?

Is there any guarantee it will pass the senate?

Way to fuck this up Boehner. Did you think the CBO wouldn't notice it had just 1 billion in cuts in the first year?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 26, 2011 09:12 PM (G/MYk)

That's why I'm hoping for no debt ceiling increase for a LONG while. Let government cannibalise itself. I've been hoping the Tea Partiers were enough to stall a debt ceiling increase since theoretically, they just want things fixed. Cutting off the spigots does that. Finding enough conservatives with the political will to ignore the wailing.......

We have one third of the necessary branches of gov't. We are trying to change a political, economic and societal culture which has been breed into this country for a century and it's only going to happen in incremental steps. If you don't approve of that and want to flee to your walled compound in the mountains have at it. Just leave the SS check behind.

I can tell you what my side would do if we held one branch, but then, I think you already know.

Obama/GE's idea of creating jobs in America.

The Republicans will break your heart every time.

I'm done.

Let it all collapse.

Posted by: willow at July 26, 2011 09:21 PM (h+qn

That doesn't rhyme

That doesn't rhyme

Posted by: Ombudsman at July 26, 2011 09:27 PM (/0tpc)

Fuggin Rhymo.

Posted by: George Orwell at July 26, 2011 09:28 PM (AZGON)

"Brother, can you spare a dime?" is too obvious.

"Life is a Lemon and I want my money back" by Meatloaf is pretty spot on...

 The MFM is starting to beat the 'Third Party' drum. FUCK THE MFM!!!!!!

fuck..............  i can only take so much of the shit going on in the world in a 24 hour time span.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 26, 2011 09:12 PM (G/MYk)

Their budget costs are just the tip of the iceberg compared to the costs of complying with their dumbfuck mandates and initiatives which hinder the paltry number of non-drones in the public education system who are there for the right reasons.  The economic costs of the jizzmops in the EPA completely dwarf it's direct budget as befits the legacy of a Repuke like Nixon who instituted wage and price controls, something even Carter was smart enough to avoid (but probably only because Nixon had recently tried them).  Defund all those worthless fucks.

 The MFM is starting to beat the 'Third Party' drum. FUCK THE MFM!!!!!!

Posted by: some guy with an asshole and an opinion at July 26, 2011 09:30 PM (A23u6)

I saw that too, that water must be getting heavy by now

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 26, 2011 09:31 PM (o2lIv)

Are they finally gonna talk about shutting the government down? 

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 26, 2011 09:31 PM (o2lIv)

I'd like to be a fly on that wall

Posted by: George Orwell at July 26, 2011 09:28 PM (AZGON)

I think this is oh so apropos don't you. Jimmeh cracked corn and I don't care!!!!  http://tinyurl.com/42v58or

@567: "We are trying to change a political, economic and societal culture which has been breed into this country for a century and it's only going to happen in incremental steps."

Not necessarily so.

Hasselbeck is out!

http://tinyurl.com/3tj2n2n

McDonalds apple dippers are good!  *ducks and runs*

Posted by: The Math at July 26, 2011 09:39 PM (GTbGH)

Fuck you! 

We have had 2 straight weeks of plus 90 degree weather. I hate to see what my electric bill is going to be.

Same here, hence the watering of the gardens.  My poor plants are looking so pathetic I finally took mercy on them and watered them. I'm sick of this heat wave.

In the Constitution, which arm of the federal government has the responsibility to stop the federal government from spending too much?

The House.

Not the Senate.  Not the White House.  Not the Judiciary.  The House.  Only the House.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 26, 2011 09:26 PM (G/MYk)

*winks cadaverous eye*

Now you're catchin' on, kid.

cthulhu link

Carl Denninger; It is, in fact, precisely this inescapable mathematical reality that means that we must deal with this now rather than attempting to kick the can and have the market make these choices for us.

The outcome of taking our medicine will be bad.  Very bad.

But if we don't do it - and do it now - it's going to be worse.

Much worse.

Yep, I'm now certain the only solution is a crash. The DC establishment is incapable of making the tough choices. The only think will be a major crisis. As Churchill said, we Americans will always do the right thing after all other options are exhausted. The only thing that will allow us to save ourselves is crisis, and unfortunately, we may not survive it. Van Jones and the FSA (free shit army) may well win in some Cloward-Piven wet dream, which is what is coming. Or we may win.

The establishment cannot act, and so a collapse must force them out. The death spiral is already starting on interest. Interest rates, 0 at the short term now, have nowhere to go but up. CBO says we'll have $25T by 2020. Interest expense, even at a low rate of 4% (compared to an average of 6% from 1970 - 2010) will blow us up with that. We need to cut $4T from the baseline over 10 years to avoid the death spiral. And that's real cuts from the baseline, not reductions in increase over that baseline. Anything less and we get the compounding death spiral. We will not make in to 2020.

Once a downgrade happens, the spiral starts immediately. And I'm not even considering what that little interest rate shock will do on the monetary side. The Fed is essentially in the coffin corner of monetary policy. I've seen calculations that show a 40% jump in the price level, near instantaneous, if the Fed can't suck about $1T or better out of the monetary base quickly.

I say this with all seriousness. It's GGG time, God, Guns, and Gold. I am not joking. Gird your loins. This is the last chance we have to save ourselves, and the political class can't muster the balls to do it.

Denny's redesigns their "Rooty-Tooty-Fresh-and-Fruity Breakfast" to the "Medicinally Acceptable Caloric Stipend, AM model"

LOL!  That's funny.  I'm gonna steal that.

Posted by: Ombudsman at July 26, 2011 09:37 PM (/0tpc)

As a product of the American school system I can easily give you the litany of aggrieved minorities, but I can't fucking do math.  she's 10 years and 10 days younger than me.

But I still look like my grandfather

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at July 26, 2011 09:43 PM (VVB1

Since they keep talking 10 year windows, any talk of less than $12 Trillion isn't worth talking about. And that's with $1.2 Trillion cut now. That's the only way I see of avoiding the boning.

I still think the world has so much invested in the US and so much to lose that creative accounting might keep everything afloat for awhile with accompanying high inflation and the boning of the productive.

"We could argue about the appropriate music to accompany the nation's fiscal downfall."

One meatball.  And no spaghetti?

Buys an eight by twelve four-bit room

LOL- when I was a kid I thought he was singing eight by twelve four BEDROOM.  Since we actually lived in a trailer at the time I asked my mom why we didn't have a 4 bedroom trailer since that bum on the radio was able to get one just by pushing a broom.

If you want some good DOOM music/footage, I like this from Dr. Strangelove:

http://tinyurl.com/ygholw2

730

That song was tied into tape of the Beslin mas. Very apropo and totally soul wrenching...solid black block of evil that was.

Should I stay or should go.Da DA DA DANT DANT DANT.....

IF I STAY THERE WILL BE TROUBLE.DA DA DA DANT.DANT DANT....

And If I GO It WILL BE DOUBLE.Da.DA.DA DANT.DANT!

SO comeON AND let ME KNOWWWWW.DA.DA.DA DANT DANT DANT!!!!

Should I STAY or should I Go..DA,DA,DA,DANT.DANT.DANT! 

Posted by: sifty at July 26, 2011 07:44 PM (ECjvn)

Oh.  We are SOOOOOOOOO going to Yuranus.

It has to go 7 innings to be a game.

Posted by: robtr chemjeff and nickless Liberation Front at July 26, 2011 08:40 PM (MtwBb)

No, sir... 5 for completeness and a W for the pitcher.

This is just sad.

We have 18 year old kids signing up to get shot at in A stan out of a sense of duty. And our congress people sense of duty is merely to get keep playing the game so they can get re elected.

Either they don't get it, or they are just pulling our legs again. Neither option is good.

They don't cut 4 trillion, they are gonna get downgraded. They should be negotiating with moody's not each other. Stupid idjits.

We need to listen to Ace and his cohorts!  After all isn't the Congressional Budget Office the same people who forecast Medicare as costing only 10% of its actual cost in 1994 when it passed.

Ergo using the logic presented to us that we must accept any compromise with Obama, we can rest secure in the knowledge that the CBO estimate of Boehner's *65 billion in savings represents only  10% of the actual probable savings.

So don't be stupid.  Listen to your betters.  Listen to the people who brought you Dole, McCain and Bush.

Compromise now, you can't do anything with one branch of the government.  Just remember how the GOP ran wild while Clinton was in office.

Even if they could cut a trillion dollars over ten years it would take over 130 years to eliminate the debt.

If you believe our politicians.

Posted by: Texan Economist at July 27, 2011 02:09 AM (TC/9F) "

I am also wondering what side he might be on.  I want a plan where we cut, cut, cut now instead of this bs ten year nonsense.  Otherwise let the date pass and if the world doesn't come to an end, they look like the total lying pos they all are!