January 10, 2011
— Ace I had left a question mark about this element of the charge. But as commenters, and Moe Lane, tell me, Dupnik himself confessed that Loughner had made death threats.
He didn't say against whom, but I have a pretty good guess that Gabrielle Giffords was one of the targets.
So... of course this is Sarah Palin's fault.
Did you know when Sarah Palin resigned the governorship she immediately assumed the position of Acting Sheriff of Pima County? It's true; it's right there in the Alaska Constitution. If you resign your post as governor you immediately become sheriff of an Arizona County.
Bad Sarah. Very bad Sarah.
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Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik would not confirm Loughner is the suspected shooter. He said the person arrested for the shooting is uninjured and uncooperative.
The suspected shooter has made death threats before and been contacted by law-enforcement officers, but the threats weren't against Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Dupnik said. The suspect is unstable, Dupnik said, but the sheriff would not say he is "insane."
Posted by: fixerupper at January 10, 2011 11:52 AM (J5Hcw)
Posted by: angler at January 10, 2011 11:52 AM (SwjAj)
Posted by: Rocks at January 10, 2011 11:56 AM (Q1lie)
Actually, though, I doubt Rep Gifford's name was on the list. It's one thing for a Sheriff's Department official to tell some blogger or radio personality "Hey, it's being taken care of, don't worry about it," and a whole different thing to explain to a United States Representative why she shouldn't be concerned.
The fact is, it doesn't matter who was named in those death threats. Death threats are not okay, and in most states are illegal to make. Between that and his (presumably known) mental issues, it should have been forced to trial just to make sure he would "get help," if nothing else.
It also makes it much more likely that this sheriff is doing his best, not to investigate the crime and accumulate enough evidence to send this guy to the death chamber, but to cast as wide a net as possible to find someone, anyone, he can blame besides his own department.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 10, 2011 11:56 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: DA Mike Nifong at January 10, 2011 11:57 AM (R2fpr)
Posted by: Juicer at January 10, 2011 11:58 AM (6fGYo)
Posted by: TEE866 at January 10, 2011 11:58 AM (Ci7SV)
Posted by: 141Driver at January 10, 2011 11:58 AM (/E3ql)
So, instead of trying to heal the community, he took cheap shots while trying to cover his own ass.
He really dug that hole deep. Sheesh.
Posted by: rdbrewer at January 10, 2011 11:58 AM (ypYKp)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 10, 2011 11:59 AM (1Jaio)
Actually, though, I doubt Rep Gifford's name was on the list. It's one thing for a Sheriff's Department official to tell some blogger or radio personality "Hey, it's being taken care of, don't worry about it," and a whole different thing to explain to a United States Representative why she shouldn't be concerned.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 10, 2011 03:56 PM (8y9MW)
Why would you imagine that they informed anyone that was threatened that this jagoff was issuing death threats?
Posted by: Oldcat at January 10, 2011 11:59 AM (z1N6a)
The fact is, it doesn't matter who was named in those death threats.
We beg to differ. We didn't act because no one important was on the hit parade.
(What do you mean, why did you say that out loud?)
Posted by: Sheriff Dipstick at January 10, 2011 11:59 AM (R2fpr)
If the nepotism had come from a Republican, this would be yet another headline.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 10, 2011 11:59 AM (bvfVF)
Especially if somebody in their family is a government worker who could help you stay in office.
Posted by: PJ at January 10, 2011 12:00 PM (QdxaI)
We lernt that in furst grade in Girdwood.
Posted by: Andre McLeode at January 10, 2011 12:01 PM (kb0wl)
Posted by: 141Driver at January 10, 2011 03:58 PM (/E3ql)
My understanding is that squeakhole activity would have been okay with them but that they don't allow you to wear socks during it.
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 10, 2011 12:03 PM (pAlYe)
Heh. And "The Governor Shall Appoint a Cleavage Czar" is in there somewhere too.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 10, 2011 12:05 PM (IoUF1)
I stand corrected; apparently socks with garters was the deal-breaker, not the mini-probe.
Posted by: 141Driver at January 10, 2011 12:06 PM (/E3ql)
Posted by: dogfish at January 10, 2011 12:07 PM (1CF0Z)
Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden at January 10, 2011 12:09 PM (1CF0Z)
I'm presuming the guy didn't call up the Sheriff's office and say "I'm planning to kill [x]." Since what I read at Choll's place was that people were told that it was being handled, the reason the Sheriff's dept. knows there were other death threats were because they were reported by the objects of said threats.
Ergo, if Rep. Gifford had been one of them, she (or her office) would have already known. Indeed, if Rep. Gifford's office knew of a death threat by someone in the county where she'd be having this appearance, I bet security would have been much tighter in the first place.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 10, 2011 12:09 PM (8y9MW)
I really want to know who else is on his list?
Posted by: Marcus at January 10, 2011 12:12 PM (CHrmZ)
Posted by: Cherry π at January 10, 2011 12:17 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: Dan at January 10, 2011 12:19 PM (mXBxH)
On Gabrielle Giffords YouTube channel (user name giffords2), she subscribes to Jared Loughner's YouTube channel (user Classitup10).
That suggests prior contact between them.
Posted by: Molon Labe at January 10, 2011 12:19 PM (Y8WIc)
Posted by: louis tully at January 10, 2011 12:21 PM (K/USr)
Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2011 12:21 PM (vdfwz)
But I was wrong. Another Republican has come along who is on the verge of putting some of these leftoids in the hospital. Such weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth I've never, ever seen. They are looking for every possible rock they can throw at this woman.
But I also know why they hate and fear her so much. She doesn't always have a snappy comeback like Reagan but she does have "The Look" that says so much derisively in so little time. Without even saying a thing, Sarah Palin can become the center of attention in the news and emerge afterwards as good, and at times even more popular, than when she went in. I wonder when the word "Teflon" will come out (probably never since it is too dated but I'm sure there's another waiting in the wings).
Sounds to me like someone got to this sheriff (D) in Arizona even as the story broke and he happily frog-marched into the fray. Could be he's just ambitious but I suspect a little coaching from unknown quarters. Now that the facts show this murderer was a "Leftwing Pothead", the lefty blogs are scrubbing away and Fox News is making a few back step a bit. I knew the MSM was in the tank long ago but it's a little sad they don't even pretend anymore. While idiots in Congress will use this to push one thing or another -- gun control being one -- someone should be sounding the alarm that our Fourth Estate has been essentially taken hostage.
Posted by: Full Moon at January 10, 2011 12:21 PM (DtbEv)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 10, 2011 12:21 PM (tvs2p)
Posted by: Cherry π at January 10, 2011 12:22 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: jjshaka at January 10, 2011 12:23 PM (ILB9U)
Would a couple of brand-new Beltones and a year's supply of batteries help?
I figure he's going to be unemployed within the week, so I'm not willing to take the risk that shipments reach him too late to help. I vote "no".
But a case of PoliGrip might be the thing that enables him to seek employment ... as a WalMart greeter.
Posted by: Arbalest at January 10, 2011 12:24 PM (BqSr3)
Posted by: Dan at January 10, 2011 12:24 PM (mXBxH)
Posted by: wooga at January 10, 2011 12:30 PM (2p0e3)
What'd they do....light a bag of poop on fire and ring the doorbell?
Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2011 12:33 PM (VuLos)
Posted by: Molon Labe at January 10, 2011 04:19 PM (Y8WIc)
I read somewhere that there was a user account at Democratic Underground named "classitup10". Can anybody confirm? Because if he's a DU'er that's all the proof we need that he's a lefty.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at January 10, 2011 12:33 PM (IoUF1)
Posted by: Geronimo at January 10, 2011 12:37 PM (SI0+B)
Posted by: tsj017 at January 10, 2011 12:37 PM (4YUWF)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 10, 2011 12:48 PM (XBM1t)
Normally, I might be inclined to think that Dupnik probably has many files of people who have made threats in the past, dangerous people out on parole, known criminals and bad actors that have been sighted in the city, all sorts of things. Inevitably, you cannot track everyone 24/7/365, and some things are going to go wrong.
Normally, I would figure that I am not a law officer and don't know exactly what can and cannot be reasonably foreseeable or prevented, and do not like to second guess people who are trying to do their jobs. It ain't a perfect world out there, and surely none of us reach perfection in trying to deal with it.
But here, here I hope every bit of political scapegoating and bad karma Dupnik has tried to unleash comes back tenfold to make his life a sea of chaos.
Posted by: RM at January 10, 2011 12:51 PM (1kwr2)
Posted by: louis tully at January 10, 2011 12:52 PM (K/USr)
I read the link and see that Sheriff Dupnik admits that the lunatic "made threats to kill" but gives the impression that his agency didn't have first-hand contact. In due course we will discover which law enforcement agency didn't take multiple death threats seriously.
This Loughner character obviously should have been involuntarily commited a long time ago. The behavior of his family makes me suspect that they fought said commitment.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 10, 2011 01:01 PM (S2+uh)
Posted by: Molon Labe at January 10, 2011 01:06 PM (Y8WIc)
It will be interesting when the subscription silently disappears. Get your screen shots now.
I'd post a link but it's utterly useless trying to post a link on this site. YouTube user name is giffords2
Posted by: Molon Labe at January 10, 2011 01:09 PM (Y8WIc)
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at January 10, 2011 01:18 PM (w41GQ)
Posted by: Sheriff Dupedick at January 10, 2011 01:20 PM (RSfE/)
I'm getting quite annoyed by the "cross-hairs" talk, when a glock does not have cross-hairs
I emailed Ace about this, but youse guys n' gals can try this experiment at home:
-Flip open a box of breakfast cereal, or look at the inside flaps of pretty much any 4-color printed food box. What do you see smiling up at you? Yep, those 'crosshair gun sights' that the press and the lefty pillowbiters are soiling themselves over. They're printer registration marks, and they're there to help the printer line up the various color printing runs on the box. They're not there because Sarah Palin has a bead on Captain Crunch, although that would make a Kos-worthy headline.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 10, 2011 01:22 PM (ERJIu)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 10, 2011 01:46 PM (6ftzF)
Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2011 01:48 PM (5T5BS)
Posted by: Zimriel at January 10, 2011 01:48 PM (OCvXk)
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 10, 2011 05:22 PM (ERJIu)
Holy crap! They're there. Post & Kellogg's is targeting me! Where should I hide?
Posted by: Steph at January 10, 2011 01:56 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: RarestRX at January 10, 2011 02:12 PM (/eIgc)
The Sheriff has blood on his hands.
Considering Sheriff Dipshit has made it look like he is in on it by turning it into the a campaign for democrats/ tasteless Wellstone Memorial - he may very well have blood on his hands.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 10, 2011 02:19 PM (0fzsA)
Dipshit should be fired. Removed - he's a dithering idiot who botched it and is now using a horrible tragedy to score points for his party(D).
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 10, 2011 02:27 PM (0fzsA)
Notice how much that Liberal Bizarro world closely resembles the shooter's waking dream view of the world.
Posted by: An Observation at January 10, 2011 05:23 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: CMU VET at January 10, 2011 05:47 PM (fotjt)
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