October 12, 2011
— Ace Deleting and shredding party scheduled.
“Top Justice Department officials, including Attorney General Holder, know more about Operation Fast and Furious than they have publicly acknowledged,” Issa stated. “The documents this subpoena demands will provide answers to questions that Justice officials have tried to avoid since this investigation began eight months ago. It’s time we know the whole truth.”To that end, Holder is required to produce virtually every communication anyone associated with the Justice Department or ATF ever sent to anyone regarding Operation Fast and Furious, or “any Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force firearms trafficking case based in Phoenix, Arizona.” The subpoena specifically names no less than 16 DOJ officials, including Holder, his deputy James Cole, Assistant Attorneys General Lanny Breuer and Ronald Weich, and Deputy Assistant Attorney General Kenneth Blanco, among other names familiar to students of the Fast and Furious scandal.
Also specified in the subpoena are communications with Acting ATF Director Ken Melson, United States Attorney Dennis Burke, and ATF Special Agent in Charge William Newell. House Oversight wants all communications to or from Newell from 12/14/10 – 01/25/11 and 03/16/19 – 03/19/09. It looks like they’re trying to pin down exactly what Newell might have shared with his White House pen pal, national security staffer Kevin O’Reilly.
They’re also keenly interested in documents relating to the murder of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata, whose death has long been suspected of links to gun walking… but not Operation Fast and Furious, which ran out of the Phoenix, Arizona ATF office. The Zapata murder weapon was traced back to Dallas, Texas. Further documentation relating to the death of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, whose murder scene produced two Fast and Furious guns plus a third “mystery weapon” that might also point back to Texas, is also sought.
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Whitehouse, DoJ, FBI, DEA, ATF, and.......Univision? He's also asking for all communications between Mexico and the US.
Oh yeah, Issa is about to do what the GOP couldn't do.
Posted by: EC at October 12, 2011 07:01 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 07:01 AM (AG1mq)
Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 12, 2011 07:01 AM (X6akg)
Either Holder pony's up, or he tries to claim "Executive Privilege." If he tries that, though, it ties the whole thing directly to Obama.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:02 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: kansas at October 12, 2011 07:03 AM (mka2b)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 07:03 AM (AG1mq)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 12, 2011 07:04 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Eric Holder - The SGT Schultz of the Obama Administration at October 12, 2011 07:04 AM (90BnA)
And Eric Holder is gonna look mighty purty in orange, IYKWIM.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:04 AM (8y9MW)
Never happen, Holder "resigns" and goes off to work for some lib law firm pulling in millions per year.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 12, 2011 07:05 AM (84oau)
Exactly.
Say it with me, folks: "Watergate didn't have a body count."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:05 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Eric Holder at October 12, 2011 07:06 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, Yid Janitor emeritus at October 12, 2011 07:06 AM (UqKQV)
They still haven't reported on the Republican Landslide in 2010!
Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 12, 2011 07:06 AM (71LDo)
Posted by: The MFM at October 12, 2011 07:07 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: mark x at October 12, 2011 07:07 AM (plLN9)
Rep. Issa[R-CA] to Sec. Holder - "Secretary Holder thank you for appearing before our committee so promptly."
Camera pans to Eric Holder and it lingers on the handcuff and chain that attaches him to the witness table. And the two US Marshalls behind him.
Issa -"So Secreaty Holder can you honestly tell us if you are merely incompetent. Or did you actively perjure yourself before this committee in prior testimony?"
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 07:07 AM (AG1mq)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, Yid Janitor emeritus at October 12, 2011 07:07 AM (UqKQV)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 07:08 AM (AG1mq)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 12, 2011 07:08 AM (ZDUD4)
Of course, Issa probably subpoena'd the skull and has it on a spike in his office.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at October 12, 2011 07:08 AM (wnbjH)
Nope. The subpoena is out and official. So a) he complies (bad for him), b) he does not comply and is held in Contempt of Congress (bad for him and Obama), or c) he claims Executive Privilege (bad for him, and very bad for Obama).
Even if he resigns, that doesn't get him out from under the subpoena. In that case, it just changes to "he complies or goes to jail."
Indeed, I would only look for a resignation prior to the documents being delivered if Holder wants to roll-over on Obama.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:08 AM (8y9MW)
Who wants to place a bet on how much coverage the MBM will give this compared to Ollie North, which is the best comparison for a scandal similar in scale involving a Republican administration in the past 30 years? One third? One fifth? Go all Pravda on us and claim "There are no Congressional hearings--back to the protests against the capitalist pigs, comrades!"?
Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 12, 2011 07:09 AM (vNpDB)
4. All documents and communications referring or relating to any instances prior to February 4, 2011 where the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) failed to interdict weapons that had been illegally purchased or transferred.
5. All documents and communications referring or relating to any instances prior to February 4, 2011 where ATF broke off surveillance of weapons and subsequently became aware that those weapons entered Mexico.
Ouch. Bush did it too, what you don't trust us ...
Posted by: Jean at October 12, 2011 07:09 AM (WkuV6)
But...but...but...that's Racist!!!
Posted by: jrg at October 12, 2011 07:10 AM (BkQvr)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 12, 2011 07:10 AM (jx2j9)
I think Ed Morrissey was right on this one: best thing SCOAMF could do to mitigate the damage would be to reinforce the claim that this was a flawed law enforcement operation that was poorly executed, apologize to the Mexicans, and throw Holder and the others under the bus (but coordinate with big Democrat donors to make sure they get cushy new jobs). Take quick action, try to show that you're holding people accountable, and make it go away fast.
But he won't do that because he's a SCOAMF.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 12, 2011 07:10 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Sgt. Fury at October 12, 2011 07:10 AM (ONGHB)
Posted by: garrett at October 12, 2011 07:11 AM (j8qSe)
CNN Washington DC bureau - "We have a report coming out that a portion of Washington DC has suffered a thermal meltdown. The event seems to be centered around the Department of Justice."
If Holder resigns he can still be prosecuted. Obama cant issue a pardon until after the conviction. Then there is Arizona, wonder if Gov. Brewer will press charges. The games afoot!
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 07:11 AM (AG1mq)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at October 12, 2011 07:11 AM (zOQBL)
No, it didn't, but either the MSM covers this, or they drive yet another nail in their coffin. The blogs WILL cover it- and we've seen that the blogs, when they Fire for Effect can be very, very effective indeed.
Either way, people will learn about it, and it will do vast damage to Obama's presidency. We might get that Oval Office resignation we keep hoping for.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:11 AM (8y9MW)
But he won't do that because he's a SCOAMF.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 12, 2011 11:10 AM (JxMoP)
He also won't do it because he's afraid they will implicate him.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 12, 2011 07:11 AM (jx2j9)
So, option A then? I can't believe he could get away with B or C with the Chicago mob.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 12, 2011 07:11 AM (84oau)
Posted by: Human Skin Shredding Machines at October 12, 2011 07:12 AM (6IReR)
Posted by: garrett at October 12, 2011 11:11 AM (j8qSe)
He won't be able to make it. His pants are too weighted down.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at October 12, 2011 07:12 AM (wnbjH)
Hey Ace - I gotta say you were probably right that the announcement by Holder yesterday of the Iranian plot was probably more coincidental than anything.
The more I read about it, the more I think that even that announcement would not lessen or delay this subpoena.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 12, 2011 07:13 AM (f9c2L)
Never happen, Holder "resigns" TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH HIS FAMILY and goes off to work for some lib law firm pulling in millions per year.
FIFY!
Posted by: runningrn at October 12, 2011 07:13 AM (Lbb9+)
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 12, 2011 07:13 AM (1XX+p)
If Holder resigns he can still be prosecuted. Obama cant issue a pardon until after the conviction. Then there is Arizona, wonder if Gov. Brewer will press charges. The games afoot!
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 11:11 AM (AG1mq)
Nope, Ford issued Nixons pardon before he was even charged with anything
Posted by: robtr at October 12, 2011 07:14 AM (MtwBb)
PI: White House ATF
It was inevitable.
Anyone notice the Holders recent Deer In The Headlights looks. Expect the condition to worsen.
Posted by: sTevo at October 12, 2011 07:14 AM (twXaa)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at October 12, 2011 07:14 AM (OBDWE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 07:14 AM (AG1mq)
It's either A or B in my estimation. It depends on how bad A would be.
If Complying with the subpoena is bad enough, Obama (well, his Chicago-Way handlers) will figure it's worth the damage of not complying, and will try to use the Race Card to diffuse the worst of the damage.
Otherwise, look for option A, and Holder to fall on his proverbial sword.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:14 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Penfold at October 12, 2011 07:15 AM (1PeEC)
He also won't do it because he's afraid they will implicate him.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 12, 2011 11:11 AM (jx2j9)
That's why before throwing them under the bus he'd need to make sure they were being taken care of.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 12, 2011 07:15 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at October 12, 2011 07:15 AM (7EV/g)
So, option A then? I can't believe he could get away with B or C with the Chicago mob.
Expect more stonewalling, foot dragging and dumping piles of documents that he's already released and don't pertain to the case. He needs to keep things in stall mode until the 2012 elections are over.
Posted by: runningrn at October 12, 2011 07:15 AM (Lbb9+)
Posted by: runningrn at October 12, 2011 07:16 AM (Lbb9+)
http://tinyurl.com/5st74rj
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 12, 2011 07:16 AM (vSiVD)
The damage wouldn't be mitigated that much, imo, for one simple reason. Americans were freaking murdered. No amount of mea culpa is going to change that.
Posted by: Lady in Black at October 12, 2011 07:16 AM (ycuSb)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 12, 2011 07:17 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 07:17 AM (AG1mq)
I don't think so. Because giving subpoenaed documents to a congressional committee should not jeopardize any ongoing investigations. It's not the same as a FOI request- they're not being shown to everyone, only the Oversight and Governmental Reform Committee.
They might try to use it, but it wouldn't fly.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:17 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: runningrn at October 12, 2011 07:18 AM (Lbb9+)
Say it with me, folks: "Watergate didn't have a body count."
Watergate didn't have a body count.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 12, 2011 11:06 AM (84oau)
Watergate didn't have a body count.
*jazz-hands*
Posted by: Warthog at October 12, 2011 07:18 AM (WDySP)
Posted by: baldilocks at October 12, 2011 07:19 AM (T2/zQ)
Issa is the bomb. Issa is a coward. Issa is a hero. Issa is a RINO. Issa is the kind if conservative we need!
I can't freaking keep up.
Clearly not drinking early enough. Valu rite is your friend.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at October 12, 2011 07:19 AM (vSiVD)
Posted by: Marie at October 12, 2011 07:19 AM (W7Seu)
Meh. Holder can claim Executive Privilege. It's just that Obama has to verify it if (when) the Committee asks.
But that's part of why it would be so bad for Obama if Executive Privilege was invoked- it would tie him directly (in 'what did he know, and when did he know it' kind of way) to F&F.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:20 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Lady in Black
FIFY, A LOT of people died.
Posted by: Gmac at October 12, 2011 07:20 AM (k2Fyd)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 07:20 AM (AG1mq)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 12, 2011 11:17 AM (i9cTu)
Drinking copious amounts of Valu-Rite helps....
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 12, 2011 07:20 AM (84oau)
Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at October 12, 2011 07:20 AM (6IReR)
The damage wouldn't be mitigated that much, imo, for one simple reason. Americans were freaking murdered. No amount of mea culpa is going to change that.
They don't need to convince people that they screwed up, they need to make it go away. The public apologies are for the benefit of the press and once those are made, the press will have their justification for never mentioning it again. The goal would be to make this go away as quickly as possible and not allow it to drag out into next year and they know that the average American has a very short attention span.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 12, 2011 07:20 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at October 12, 2011 07:21 AM (wnbjH)
I think Ed Morrissey was right on this one: best thing SCOAMF could do to mitigate the damage would be to reinforce the claim that this was a flawed law enforcement operation that was poorly executed, apologize to the Mexicans, and throw Holder and the others under the bus....
SCOAMF won't even stoop to address F&F. The last press conference he had, he was asked a question about it at the end, and he basically blew off the reporter and said he had full confidence in Holder. He will have one of his underlings (like Jay Carney perhaps) deal with the fallout from all this which will basically be Carney stammer and lie his ass off.
Posted by: runningrn at October 12, 2011 07:21 AM (Lbb9+)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 12, 2011 07:21 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at October 12, 2011 07:21 AM (wnbjH)
They did, but Americans in general won't get that worked up over the Mexican deaths. Sad but true.
If only Mexicans had died, they might get away with the "law enforcement operation gone awry" defense. Instead, American civilians and LEO were murdered.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:22 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 12, 2011 07:22 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Obama Troll at October 12, 2011 07:22 AM (vSiVD)
My empathy for this POS is equal to that I had for teh weiner.
Posted by: sTevo at October 12, 2011 07:23 AM (twXaa)
um..no. If anything we should all be outside shooting AK47s in the air.
Posted by: Berserker at October 12, 2011 07:23 AM (FMbng)
Posted by: Jean at October 12, 2011 07:23 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 12, 2011 07:23 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 07:24 AM (AG1mq)
When 60 Minutes inevitably interviews Issa and asks him why he is such a racist, I hope he responds something like this:
Two words. Nuclear f*cking subpeonas, okay?! Holder, Obama, Napolitano- they can have all the un-democracy they want. They can have a big un-democracy cake-walk right through the middle of the National Mall and it won't make a lick of difference because we've got the writs, okay?!
John Roberts isn't dead, he's in session. And as soon as we file the Articles of Impeachment, we're gonna bring the Cheif Justice over here and he's gonna be pissed off. You know why? Have you ever had anyone break an oath they took in front of you? Well multiply that by about 300 million times, that's how pissed off the Chief Justice is going to be! We're gonna get Roberts, and Mitch McConnell...and a case of whiskey and drive down to the Capitol...
Posted by: Conservative Crank, channeling his inner Denis Leary at October 12, 2011 07:24 AM (vNpDB)
Yup, even you Eric. I want to see you dance like a bunch of maggots in a hot frying pan.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 12, 2011 07:24 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 12, 2011 07:24 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: polynikes
..........
Head over to RedState - they only allow one point of view or they ban you..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 12, 2011 07:24 AM (f9c2L)
Two recommendations is sound advice.
Trust them they were pre law or was it pre med?
Posted by: Otter at October 12, 2011 07:24 AM (vSiVD)
Watergate didn't have a body count.
Barack Obama sold weapons to a murderous criminal organization- who then murdered US Civilians and Border Agent Brian Terry.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:24 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 12, 2011 07:24 AM (UlUS4)
I can't freaking keep up.
Ya think? My favorite is being a beaner butt-boy for encouraging illegals to go to school and then watching Rick Fucking Perry steal hearts around here.
Posted by: spongeworthy at October 12, 2011 07:25 AM (puy4B)
Posted by: Jean at October 12, 2011 07:25 AM (WkuV6)
On that note, Sharyl Atkisson can make and break her career all at the same time with this story.
It is amazing that a reporter from the MFM has stuck to this story after being told by the WH and DOJ to buzz off. She deserves a Pulitzer, and hopefully, she has a CCW and is packing heat.
I wonder why she didn't just leave this story alone like a good little girl. Obviously, she's racist and should be prosecuted for hate crimes against 2 fabulous black men.
Posted by: runningrn at October 12, 2011 07:25 AM (Lbb9+)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at October 12, 2011 07:26 AM (wnbjH)
Posted by: Zombie Rose Mary Woods at October 12, 2011 07:26 AM (10jHp)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 12, 2011 07:26 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Whoopi FN Goldberg - everyone is racist except me at October 12, 2011 07:26 AM (90BnA)
Posted by: Alte Schule at October 12, 2011 07:27 AM (MLJu8)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at October 12, 2011 07:27 AM (0M3AQ)
Help me out here. The "law enforcement" purpose of F&F was what, exactly? How exactly was selling guns to Drug Lords supposed to advance the cause of law enforcement?
I know the stated rationale was to develop a map of the gun-running network, but then what? The ATF was not about to invade Mexico to arrest the gun-runners. The Mexican Police and military were so corrupt the ATF didn't bring them in on the operation, so giving them the information would have been a waste of time. What possible legitimate purpose sis this thing serve?
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 12, 2011 07:28 AM (PLvLS)
Is it wrong of me to be feeling absolute fucking glee over this?
No, no it isn't. This is going to be a lot of fun...
Posted by: HH at October 12, 2011 07:28 AM (HFnqj)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 07:28 AM (AG1mq)
No wonder Holder took the lead on the Iran/Saudi assassination plot yesterday - something SCOAMF let him get in front of to show how cool and competent the AG is. Feh.
Expect another Iranian-backed terrorist plot to be uncovered in 5...4...3...2.
Iran is a tiny country that poses no threat...
Posted by: SCOAMF at October 12, 2011 07:28 AM (Lbb9+)
Posted by: Alte Schule at October 12, 2011 11:27 AM (MLJu
You know, no matter how many times I read that, I still chuckle.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at October 12, 2011 07:28 AM (wnbjH)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 12, 2011 07:29 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at October 12, 2011 07:29 AM (6IReR)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at October 12, 2011 07:29 AM (zOQBL)
Posted by: CBS News Editor at October 12, 2011 07:29 AM (84oau)
"Watergate..."
"Didn't have..."
"Didn't have..."
"...a body count!"
"...a body count!"
---
And while we're at it, something to ponder: Obama may be able to issue pardons for violations of US law, but the Mexicans? Yeah, folks are on their own there...
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at October 12, 2011 07:29 AM (GBXon)
They are invited to my place to turn over as many rocks as they want, as long as they load them in to a wheel barrow and roll them down into that ditch that needs filling.
Posted by: Bob Saget at October 12, 2011 07:29 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 12, 2011 07:30 AM (UlUS4)
And they'll do... what? Exactly? The Mexican government can get as ticked as it wants, until and unless Barack Obama and Eric Holder are civilians again, the Mexicans will never get their hands on them.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:30 AM (8y9MW)
I bet somebody everybody who is not an ignorant isolationist moron is wishing that we still had some of those cancelled defense programs back right about now.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 12, 2011 11:29 AM (jx2j9)
FIFY--and I don't mean moron in the usual AoS, friendly sense, either.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 12, 2011 07:31 AM (vNpDB)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 12, 2011 07:31 AM (i9cTu)
64 Oh, and when Obama wins in 2012, Holder gets a Precedential Pardon for being a good foot soldier of the regime.
Even if Teh Won loses in 2012 he can issue pardons right up until President Not Obama takes the oath of office.
Remember it was Eric Holder himself who handled all the paperwork for Pres Clinton when Bubba pardoned all his crooked friends and big money donors (cough cough Marc Rich cough cough)
There will be thousands of pardons issued by SCOAMF, that can be our new guessing game, how many pardons does he issue?
Posted by: Boots at October 12, 2011 07:31 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: MSM at October 12, 2011 07:31 AM (vSiVD)
Posted by: kansas at October 12, 2011 07:31 AM (mka2b)
Two recommendations is sound advice.
Trust them they were pre law or was it pre med?
What's the difference?
Posted by: shillelagh at October 12, 2011 07:32 AM (hRzu2)
Help me out here. The "law enforcement" purpose of F&F was what, exactly? How exactly was selling guns to Drug Lords supposed to advance the cause of law enforcement?
Um, if you get guns out of the hands of the citizens of the U.S., it makes it a lot easier for "law enforcement" to keep the peace during the 2012 elections...
Posted by: runningrn at October 12, 2011 07:33 AM (Lbb9+)
Posted by: Weimdog at October 12, 2011 07:33 AM (SwPvC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 12, 2011 07:33 AM (UlUS4)
We need someone with experience pandering to Mexico to deal with this. That is why it is so important to elect Rick Perry President.
Posted by: RioBravo at October 12, 2011 07:33 AM (eEfYn)
"Watergate..."
"Didn't have..."
"Didn't have..."
"...a body count!"
"...a body count!"
---------------------------------------------------
mic check.... MIC CHECK....... MIC CHECK!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Eric Holder at October 12, 2011 07:33 AM (C8hzL)
Posted by: runningrn at October 12, 2011 11:21 AM (Lbb9+)
And that is why he is a SCOAMF.
One talk/training I attended one time had to do with PR responses to mistakes. The Tylenol poisoning from the early 80s was given as the textbook example for how to do it right: take complete ownership, deal with it quickly and above board, make it clear that you understand the gravity of the situation, and get it done. It may cost more up front but you make up for it by maintaining public confidence.
But, the pattern is already set for this guy, he's going to do exactly what every other politician does, and that's stonewall, obfuscate, and try to slick his way through it. Clinton got away with that because the subject was very touchy and (more importantly) because the economy was in great shape.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 12, 2011 07:33 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 12, 2011 11:24 AM (AZGON)
Torn between two loves - Obama vs paycheck
Posted by: This song sucks as bad as Obama at October 12, 2011 07:33 AM (90BnA)
Posted by: Jean at October 12, 2011 07:34 AM (WkuV6)
Pray for this man 24/7, folks. PRAY HARD.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 12, 2011 07:34 AM (F0o5k)
There will be thousands of pardons issued by SCOAMF, that can be our new guessing game, how many pardons does he issue?
TOTUS's job will be done by then, and that's when Obama's Autopen will be on fire.
Obama was right about those jobstealing ATMS--the machines are taking over the world!
Posted by: runningrn at October 12, 2011 07:34 AM (Lbb9+)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 12, 2011 07:37 AM (jx2j9)
...you know what? F--- these pardons. Time to nuke everybody!
Posted by: Obama's autopen and teleprompter, merging with SkyNet at October 12, 2011 07:37 AM (GBXon)
<groan> more OT!! And I had a hot date tonight with the xerox down the hall
Posted by: The Shredder at October 12, 2011 07:37 AM (FIDMq)
Don't worry, my Viper turns the car on from 200 ft.
Posted by: Issa at October 12, 2011 07:38 AM (vSiVD)
Please My Friends I'm sure this is all just a misunderstanding i will ask my good friend Eric to explain this to you neanderthals!
Posted by: The Good ship McCain at October 12, 2011 07:39 AM (vXqv3)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 12, 2011 07:40 AM (F0o5k)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 12, 2011 11:34 AM (F0o5k)
Even clicking the button on the key fob can cook off an explosive device. I hope Issa ups his situational awareness and security.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at October 12, 2011 07:40 AM (wnbjH)
One thing about the "shredders", in this day and age of the $5 - 2 Gig flash drives: there's just no telling if some peon, underling in the email BCC list didn't cover their ass and make a copy. One thing that is made abundantly clear by the East Anglica Climate Research email "hack", it is cheap and easy to store emails. That email archive (which had numerous emails) was only 62 meg. One could easily move that out on an MP3 player or smartphone or even burn a CD if they were a dinosaur. With an anonimizer, it's even easier to spread those around afterwards without risk. I'm sure some news outlet or blogger somewhere will pick up the story. Plus, even the most primitive cro-magon can print an email and store it in a folder "for later".
So, when you think you've deleted all the files, and you think you've cleaned up all the paper, and you think you've threatened all the witnesses to silence, just ask yourself this question before you go before congress and commit perjury (5-year felony sentence per count there), "do you feel lucky?"
Well do you, ... punk?
Posted by: Dirty Darrell Issa at October 12, 2011 07:40 AM (WDySP)
I suspect the Mexican government may have opinions on the matter.
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at October 12, 2011 07:40 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 12, 2011 07:41 AM (ieDPL)
Help me out here. The "law enforcement" purpose of F&F was what, exactly? How exactly was selling guns to Drug Lords supposed to advance the cause of law enforcement?
There isn't one, but when you're trying to cover up the true intent you make something up. You throw something out there for a sympathetic press and let them fill in the blanks. Kirsten Powers has already done this; she accepted the claim that this was a law enforcement operation and then pooh-poohed those asking the same questions you're asking.
Again, he needs to make it go away and the best way to do that is resignations and a statement that will give the press the justification they need to say, "Story's over. Next topic."
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 12, 2011 07:41 AM (JxMoP)
Posted by: Michael Medved at October 12, 2011 07:42 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at October 12, 2011 07:43 AM (pY3GI)
I only say this lack of faith came from watching Fitzgerald investiagte Obama really have the goods on Him and then use it as blackmail for a better power position. Instead of following through for America's sake.
Posted by: willow at October 12, 2011 07:45 AM (h+qn8)
The Department of Justice. He's guilty of a series of Federal Crimes- not least of which is Conspiracy to Commit Murder. And, failing that, Mexico could bring him up on the same charges, and we would have no grounds not to extradite him.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 12, 2011 07:47 AM (8y9MW)
Are there enough normal, good, decent and brave people within DOJ to prevent that from happening?
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 12, 2011 07:48 AM (F0o5k)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 12, 2011 07:48 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 12, 2011 07:49 AM (1Jaio)
An amazing fact here is the number of murders tied to these (relatively) handful of weapons sent to Mexico. Container loads of weapons enter from China. Train car loads form Central America. A federal agent happens to be killed by one of the weapons from FF. Somebody must be a bit smarter than the idiots running this operation from our side. Not only does the operation seem to have been unwise; it would (circumstantially) seem to have been infiltrated.
Posted by: RioBravo at October 12, 2011 07:50 AM (eEfYn)
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at October 12, 2011 07:51 AM (5Wl/f)
Posted by: HH at October 12, 2011 07:51 AM (HFnqj)
SCOAMF won't even stoop to address F&F. The last press conference he had, he was asked a question about it at the end, and he basically blew off the reporter and said he had full confidence in Holder. He will have one of his underlings (like Jay Carney perhaps) deal with the fallout from all this which will basically be Carney stammer and lie his ass off.
In the NFL the team owner traditionally issues an "I have full confidence in my coach..." statement about 48 hours prior to the sacking of the coach and introduction of a new coaching staff....
Posted by: MrObvious at October 12, 2011 07:51 AM (2uovW)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2011 07:52 AM (AG1mq)
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 12, 2011 07:55 AM (uIz80)
open borders was likely the draw for Him, as it would bring hundreds of millions of dollars to Mexico without Mexicos leaders actually having to do anything to be a responsible gvt. towards their citizens.
Posted by: willow at October 12, 2011 07:55 AM (h+qn8)
Pray for this man 24/7, folks. PRAY HARD.
During the Clinton investigation, the left hired PIs to try and dig up dirt on IC Ken Starr. There will be no holds barred this time around.
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 12, 2011 08:01 AM (Hx5uv)
CNN and Fox have it
Maybe someone should send them an email.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 12, 2011 08:01 AM (OhYCU)
Maybe someone should send them an email.
Well, you know how it is. When you never reported that the bridge had collapsed, it just gets tougher and tougher to report about the traffic snarls.
Posted by: HH at October 12, 2011 08:08 AM (HFnqj)
I didn't forget... I'm waiting until I get this bumbling fuck to say something under oath that he really regrets.
Posted by: Chairman Issa at October 12, 2011 08:11 AM (VZ10+)
Posted by: kansas at October 12, 2011 08:13 AM (mka2b)
It was in the short lived news cycle months ago but the ignorant Pugs let it go cold. Assholes that they are.
Posted by: Dial 'O' for Murder at October 12, 2011 08:15 AM (EL+OC)
So, when you think you've deleted all the files, and you think you've cleaned up all the paper, and you think you've threatened all the witnesses to silence, just ask yourself this question before you go before congress and commit perjury (5-year felony sentence per count there), "do you feel lucky?"
It depends on how smart they are in D.C. Most organizations with sensitive data don't even like you sticking an empty flash drive into a port; it will scream an alert that goes right to the Information Security guy's terminal. But then, see my first sentence.
Posted by: arhooley at October 12, 2011 08:21 AM (Rt5P7)
Families of the dead border agents?
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 12, 2011 11:41 AM
They have already been denied standing by . . . the DoJ. Yes, you heard that right. (I believe it was the Deputy AG from Phoenix, who has now resigned.)
Posted by: arhooley at October 12, 2011 08:25 AM (Rt5P7)
59 So, can or will Holder assert that complying with the subpoena will interfere with pending criminal investigations
Thats how Janet Sterno avoided questions. I remember watching some of those hearings and hearing her repeat 'that is an ongoing investigation' crap. Wished someone would ask her what time it is to see if she would comply or repeat that dumb mantra again.
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Posted by: DaveA PuddingCup at October 12, 2011 09:09 AM (0gVY6)
Posted by: Lady in Black
FIFY, A LOT of people died. have died and will continue to die in the years to come as the 1,400+ F&F weapons still out there continue to be used, not to even mention all the people being killed with weapons from OpCastaway, Gangwalker, and God knows how many other ops still to be uncovered.
Posted by: Gmac at October 12, 2011 11:20 AM (k2Fyd)
FIFY.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 12, 2011 09:19 AM (F0o5k)
Are we hearing any outrage from LaRaza?????
Crickets.
The GOP needs to hammer away night and day on the the hypocrisy of the Democrats, who have made it very clear in all this that "brown people's" lives are not worth jackshit to them. If the GOP does not use this issue next year to pick up the Hispanic vote, then they are not just the Party of Stupid but the Party of Comatose.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 12, 2011 09:28 AM (F0o5k)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 12, 2011 09:38 AM (F0o5k)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 12, 2011 10:46 AM (F0o5k)
No amount of pardons can prevent a future president from honoring a request by the government of Mexico to extradite all involved for trial there.
Posted by: Kristopher at October 12, 2011 10:52 AM (Z3y1K)
Posted by: barackin' hissy obama at October 12, 2011 11:05 AM (qvify)
willow@177
Maybe I just missed it, but I haven't heard a peep from Calderon.
I think Calderon is in on it. You may recall that he joined in with Hillary and Obama's chorus back in early 2009 about the horrible terrible weapons from the U.S. that were killing so many Mexicans. (the everlovin 90% figure that was a complete, baldfaced lie)
I've also read somewhere that Calderon's "government crackdown" on "the cartels" may actually be a crackdown by one cartel (that owns Calderon) against the others, just trying to knock out the competition. In Mexico, this is certainly a possibility. We all know about the corruption. Ever see the movie "Traffic"? Fictional, sure, but pretty accurate in its depiction of the general scene down there. (Except that the movie, whose violence shocked me when I first saw it years ago, turns out to be very tame compared to what's going on now.)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 12, 2011 11:31 AM (F0o5k)
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Posted by: Terry in GA at October 12, 2011 07:31 PM (t8wmd)
Posted by: Terry in GA at October 12, 2011 07:32 PM (t8wmd)
That big sucking sound is going to get much loader in the next few weeks! Eric Holders behind is so badly puckered up over this I bet there is a vacuum being drawn on the whole Justice Department Office Building!
My regret is that I am not an elected law enforcement officer in TX, NM, or AZ so that I could be the one to "serve" Mr. Holder with a arrest warrent as an accessory to murder.
I found it odd there was a banner ad for "Great Foam" at the top line of this web site. Will someone send a can over to Eric Holders office with detailed application data so they may be able to keep out the cold air?
Posted by: Ironmonger at October 13, 2011 03:48 PM (vgOES)
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