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October 09, 2011

Eric Holder Throws a Hissy Fit [John E.]
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Attorney General Eric Holder fired off a 5-page letter to congressional leaders yesterday. It was the healthy mix of whining, blame shifting, deliberate misrepresentations and bumbling incompetence we've come to expect from our fine Attorney General.

Senator Grassley has suggested that I was aware of Operation Fast and Furious from letters he provided to me on or about January 31, 2011 that were addressed to the former Acting Director of the ATF. However, those letters referred only to an ATF umbrella initiative on the Southwest Border that started under the prior Administration -- Project Gunrunner -- and not to Operation Fast and Furious.

So, Bush's fault?

Much has been made in the past few days about my congressional testimony earlier this year regarding Fast and Furious. My testimony was truthful and accurate and I have been consistent on this point throughout. I have no recollection of knowing about Fast and Furious or of hearing its name prior to the public controversy about it.

Eric, do you know who Sharyl Attkisson is? If not, you will.

I simply cannot sit idly by as a Majority Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens be considered "accessories to murder." Such inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms.

Representative Paul Gosar shot back at Holder in an interview with the Daily Caller.

Â“It [HolderÂ’s letter] is rhetoric. I think itÂ’s funny that thatÂ’s the heat we take now when weÂ’re in the focus of hearings and the focus of calls for his resignation,Â” Gosar told The Daily Caller. Â“[He says] Â‘oooh, we want to sing Kumbayah and bring everybody together so that we can diffuse that.Â’ ItÂ’s also interesting that he and leadership in the Justice Department didnÂ’t really exercise that in Arizona by reaching out and really trying to work on issues Â– they just continue to dictate accordingly."

Darrell Issa had a good line on Hannity Friday night when he said he wanted "change we can believe in at the Justice Department."

I wrote yesterday about the "under the radar" comment made by Obama to Sarah Brady regarding gun control. Well, Holder's letter had a similar eyebrow-raising comment.

As I have said, the fact that even a single gun was not interdicted in this operation and found a way to Mexico is unacceptable. Equally unacceptable however, is the fact that too many in Congress are opposed to any discussion of fixing loopholes in the laws that facilitate the staggering flow of guns each year across our border to the South.

What's interesting, beyond the staggering level of hypocrisy, is that Holder knows there are people that already suspect this was more about the second amendment and gun control than it ever was about investigating illegal gun trafficking. For him to take this position publicly, in a letter to Congress leads me to believe this might end up being his primary defense of the program. The walls are starting to close in on him and maybe that's all he has left. If that's the case, expect a lot of mud-slinging. Eric Holder doesn't strike me as the type of person to willingly fall on the sword.

Unthinkable corruption executed with criminal incompetence.

Posted by: Guest Blogger at 07:28 AM | Comments (110)
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1 I was unaware that a gun store owner selling guns under the explicit instruction of the ATF/FBI was considered a loophole.

The more you know!

Posted by: alexthechick at October 09, 2011 07:31 AM (Gk3SS)

Holder would be nice get, but this goes higher. And yes I mean to Obama.

Posted by: Have Blue at October 09, 2011 07:31 AM (IKTC8)

3 Holder did not know anything about Marc Rich's shenanigans and didn't know about the proclivities of Puerto Rican terrorists. Seems you wouldn't want a know-nothing in such a sensitive position.

Posted by: Have Blue at October 09, 2011 07:34 AM (IKTC8)

4 Eric Holder? Never heard of him!

Posted by: charlie gibson at October 09, 2011 07:34 AM (+56Bh)

5 Who has the authority to call for a special prosecutor?

Posted by: macintx at October 09, 2011 07:35 AM (ucs8Y)

6 He doth protest too much.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 09, 2011 07:36 AM (ZDUD4)

7 Makes me want to go to the nearest Occupy whatever protest and start punching hippies if only for the therapeutic value.

Posted by: ErikW at October 09, 2011 07:36 AM (zKHLn)

8 The last quote is the kicker. It is the admission that this is about creating evidence to close the 'loopholes" that allow Americand to buy 'assault weapons' or indeed any weapon.

Posted by: Have Blue at October 09, 2011 07:37 AM (IKTC8)

9 Holder told us "We are a nation of cowards." Holder is a coward. He fears the truth.

Posted by: jrg at October 09, 2011 07:37 AM (BkQvr)

10 All this talk about Eric Holder and his culpability vis-a-vis Operation Gunwalker is greatly distracting from some vastly more important issues. Namely, what a great President I was in the 90's as compared to this incompetent Obama doofus.

Posted by: bill cinton at October 09, 2011 07:38 AM (+56Bh)

11 Who has the authority to call for a special prosecutor?

Issa just talked about that on Fox News Sunday. He also said they are issuing more subpenas tomorrow. It's not on the web yet, but I might post it later.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at October 09, 2011 07:38 AM (nRTou)

12 I don't want to see him resign. I want him prosecuted. He can resign on the way to prison.

Posted by: Vic at October 09, 2011 07:38 AM (M9Ie6)

13 The entire Obama regime is the epitome of affirmative action fail.

Posted by: Heartless SOB Hobbit at October 09, 2011 07:39 AM (EL+OC)

I think Eric Holder is cute, so I emailed him some pics of my junk.

Posted by: brett favre at October 09, 2011 07:40 AM (+56Bh)

Holder's vision of the Justice Department is strictly focused on the left's and Obamas agenda. Pushing racialist greivances and neo-Marxist ideology in order to transform America into thier vision of a 'New America'.

They told us what they planned, we just didn't believe them.

Posted by: Have Blue at October 09, 2011 07:40 AM (IKTC8)

16 I simply cannot sit idly by as a Majority Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens be considered "accessories to murder." Such inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms.

what a difference a D president makes huh Holder?

Equally unacceptable however, is the fact that too many in Congress are opposed to any discussion of fixing loopholes in the laws that facilitate the staggering flow of guns each year across our border to the South.

why of course.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2011 07:42 AM (h+qn8)

17 Countdown to when the race card gets thrown in 5,4,3,2...............

Well, they were expecting that just a bunch of brown Mexican people would get killed.

Posted by: Heorot at October 09, 2011 07:42 AM (zH5oX)

18 Missed Fox News Sunday so I don't know what he said. I thought it was the AG that calls for an independent prosecutor. If that's the case... is the joke on us or Holder?

Posted by: macintx at October 09, 2011 07:43 AM (ucs8Y)

19 11

Eric Holder throws a hissy fit.

Well, at least he is getting back to doing what he knows best.

Countdown to when the race card gets thrown in 5,4,3,2...............

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 09, 2011 11:38 AM (OWjjx)

Did you see the story quoting the new(?) head of ATF making light of the whole situation? He was quoted as saying basically, "I don't know why everyone is so upset, most of the people killed were just Mexicans."

Posted by: Have Blue at October 09, 2011 07:43 AM (IKTC8)

20 Karma's a bitch, Eric

Posted by: Doom am I, full-ripe, dealing death to the worlds, engaged in devouring mankind. at October 09, 2011 07:44 AM (EyCRD)

21 If this keeps building, Holder is going to go down like a punch-drunk wet taco. Might just take SCOAMF down with him, but I'm not holding my breath. Just so long as it keeps building until it explodes by this time next year.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 09, 2011 07:44 AM (UlUS4)

22 After a long and careful self examination, I have come to the conclusion that I am a Stuttering Clusterf*ck Of A Miserable Failure.

Posted by: BH Obama at October 09, 2011 07:44 AM (+56Bh)

If we're going to try pushing another catch-phrase (a la SCOAMF), one specific to Fast & Furious, I don't think the "Unthinkable corruption" part is applicable -- indeed, it's not even punchy enough.

We're not talking about corruption happening here in F&F, not in the same way as we can about Solyndra and the rest of the DOE stuff.

What we're talking about here is an ideology-driven attempt to subvert the 2nd Amendment, and indeed probably other sections of the Constitution. And the ideology in question is one that sees the US as historically and little-c constitutionally a malefactor.

So I'd re-jigger the catch-phrase as something along the lines of:

"Inhuman anti-Americanism executed with criminal incompetence."

But the glory of this blog is that the collective moronicity should be able to come up with the truly optimal recommendation. Takers?

Posted by: RamonAllones at October 09, 2011 07:44 AM (ha+6S)

24 shouldn't a trial special prosecuter wait until we have power, couldn't Obama just pardon him?

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2011 07:44 AM (h+qn8)

25 Makes me want to go to the nearest Occupy whatever protest and start punching hippies if only for the therapeutic value.

Posted by: ErikW at October 09, 2011 11:36 AM (zKHLn)

Need a lift?

Posted by: Tami-Cardinals fan at October 09, 2011 07:44 AM (X6akg)

26 Did you see the story quoting the new(?) head of ATF making light of the whole situation? He was quoted as saying basically, "I don't know why everyone is so upset, most of the people killed were just Mexicans." Posted by: Have Blue at October 09, 2011 11:43 AM (IKTC

Whoever our nominee is, this should be a campaign commercial, en Espanol and played con gusto.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 09, 2011 07:45 AM (UlUS4)

@ 25

Nah, just joking! I am still the very rare essence of Awesome!

Posted by: BH Obama at October 09, 2011 07:46 AM (+56Bh)

28 shouldn't a trial special prosecuter wait until we have power, couldn't Obama just pardon him?

Send them for trial in Mexico. Good luck pardoning them out of a Mexican prison.

Posted by: Heorot at October 09, 2011 07:46 AM (zH5oX)

29 Fixing loopholes that allow guns to cross the border to the South.

Yeah, before this operation it was shown that there were virtually no guns flowing across the border in any magnitude. It took the lying shit-weasels in this administration to cause that.

All in the name of closing out the second amendment which Democrats consider a "loophole".

Posted by: Vic at October 09, 2011 07:47 AM (M9Ie6)

30 Holder will never leave or resign. Someone could produce a photo of him personally handing an automatic weapon to a Mexican gun-runner and the bulk of the press would merely ignore it. CBS needs to decide if the WH is their sole master and if it wants to stay on its knees.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 09, 2011 07:47 AM (AZGON)

31 I have chunks of guys like Eric Holder in my stool!

Posted by: frank sinatra at October 09, 2011 07:47 AM (+56Bh)

32 Whoever our nominee is, this should be a campaign commercial, en Espanol and played con gusto.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 09, 2011 11:45 AM (UlUS4)

You assume the GOP is intelligent.

Posted by: Dial '0' For Murder at October 09, 2011 07:48 AM (EL+OC)

33 Eric Holder doesn't strike me as the type of person to willingly fall on the sword. ---------------------------------- That's right. Eric Holder sees EVERYTHING through the lens of race. In his mind, he has reached the mountaintop and now evil, racist whitey desires to kick him back down to the gutter. Obama won't fire him either. Holder will have to be indicted before he leaves.

Posted by: Spiker at October 09, 2011 07:48 AM (4t9J5)

34 Heorot
while tempting, I don't want to give another country that right to our own despots.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2011 07:49 AM (h+qn8)

35 If being a know-nothing is the prime requirement for being AG, as Holder states time and again, let's stop hiring poseurs and go for the Gold Standard: Sgt. Schultz.

Posted by: No Whining at October 09, 2011 07:49 AM (er04D)

36 after Obama gets crushed in November of 2012, this (Holder's) is pardon number 1. That, and you'll see a staggering number of pardons, making Clinton's spree look like nothing. Chicago, baby.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 09, 2011 07:50 AM (AZGON)

Need a lift?

Posted by: Tami-Cardinals fan at October 09, 2011 11:44 AM (X6akg)

Sure! We can tag team on some mofos.

Posted by: ErikW at October 09, 2011 07:51 AM (zKHLn)

38 HURRY ISSA, STOP STALLING CHARGE THEM ALL!!

Word.

Posted by: Dial '0' For Murder at October 09, 2011 07:52 AM (EL+OC)

39 Wasn't it the ATF that murdered those children in Waco so they could be saved from abuse? Are these guys total fuck ups or what?

Posted by: kansas at October 09, 2011 07:53 AM (nNgbi)

40
Eric Holder Senate confirmed as Attorney General 75 to 21

Republicans voting for:

Alexander (R-TN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Sessions (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Voinovich (R-OH)

Thanks guys, real quality advise and consent there.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 09, 2011 07:54 AM (/qkBU)

41 one thing I'd like to happen is ATF going by-by.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2011 07:55 AM (h+qn8)

42 Wasn't it the ATF that murdered those children in Waco so they could be saved from abuse? Are these guys total fuck ups or what?

Posted by: kansas at October 09, 2011 11:53 AM (nNgbi)

In fairness, we only intended to kill the adults so we could save the children.

Posted by: J Reno at October 09, 2011 07:55 AM (jucos)

43 No hurry on this. Drag it out little by little. It takes a while for this stuff to soak in on the public especially considering the MSM still doesn't mention it.

Posted by: kansas at October 09, 2011 07:55 AM (nNgbi)

44 along with Janet Napolitano

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2011 07:55 AM (h+qn8)

Stedman will look good in an orange jumpsuit.

Like a Meerkat dressed up for Halloween.

Posted by: garrett at October 09, 2011 07:56 AM (cxhXs)

46 while tempting, I don't want to give another country that right to our own despots.

Normally I'd agree, I just don't know how you re-establish the rule of law once a nation has gone this far down the rabbit hole. The bureaucrats are getting seriously out of control and the only hope I see is for a lot of them to face some very serious punishment.

Posted by: Heorot at October 09, 2011 07:57 AM (zH5oX)

47 Remember when John Ashcroft was AG and he was bashed daily by the MSM? We know they can do it. Maybe some journalism will break out soon.

Posted by: kansas at October 09, 2011 07:58 AM (nNgbi)

48 also wasn't there a conversation with bewtween a couple of ATF members involved trying to find information on Grassley to blackmail him with?

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2011 07:58 AM (h+qn8)

49 Eric Holder Senate confirmed as Attorney General 75 to 21 Clearly you don't understand the high esteem we afford the traditions of the Senate with respect to the Presidency. The President is owed his choice of political appointments and our consent is merely pro forma, and Democrats always afford us the same courtesy. You know, however, if we have a Republican president we ought to appoint someone who can reach across the aisle. No one too conservative. For the comity. Yes, we will continue to do our usual excellent job here in the Greatest Deliberative Body Ever.

Posted by: GOP Senators at October 09, 2011 07:59 AM (AZGON)

50 "I simply cannot sit idly by as a Majority Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens be considered "accessories to murder." Such inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms."

Good lord, really? I don't remember him standing up for our soldiers who were being slandered by Democrats just a few years ago. He seemed to be sitting idly by then.

"Marines just said weÂ’re going to take care Â– we donÂ’t know who the enemy is, the pressure was too much on them, so they went into houses and they actually killed civilians." John Murtha

"But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President's amusement.Â” Pete Stark

"In a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan." The haughty, French-looking Senator from Massachusetts, who, by the way, served in Vietnam.

This list could go on and on.

Posted by: JohnJ at October 09, 2011 07:59 AM (aCBL/)

51 These newly-obtained documents are the tell-tale evidence that Eric Holder knew about Fast and Furious at least NINE MONTHS before he told Congress. There is no question now. Holder knew about guns that were "walking" back across the border!
sickinmass.

the telling thing was their decision to Not follow the guns.

I'd like to see that memo!

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2011 08:01 AM (h+qn8)

52 Maybe some journalism will break out soon.

Posted by: kansas at October 09, 2011 11:58 AM (nNgbi)

RICK PERRY ACTUALLY ATTENDED A CAMP WHERE N*GG^R WAS PAINTED ON A ROCK!!!!! ELEVENTY!

Posted by: MFM at October 09, 2011 08:01 AM (jucos)

53 I meant that Memo to Holder.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2011 08:02 AM (h+qn8)

54 Rep Gosar needs to draw up articles of impeachment on Eric Holder today.

Posted by: SDN at October 09, 2011 08:02 AM (8bRU6)

55 Issa just talked about that on Fox News Sunday. He also said they are issuing more subpenas tomorrow. It's not on the web yet, but I might post it later.
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at October 09, 2011 11:38 AM

Wonderful thing, these sub-peenies!

Posted by: Wilford Brimley at October 09, 2011 08:04 AM (Y+DPZ)

56 Did you see the story quoting the new(?) head of ATF making light of the whole situation? He was quoted as saying basically, "I don't know why everyone is so upset, most of the people killed were just Mexicans."

Posted by: Have Blue at October 09, 2011 11:43 AM (IK

yeah or next it would be just , or just hippies, or those that cling to their guns and bibles. or returning vets.

all to save the children of course.

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2011 08:07 AM (h+qn8)

Sure! We can tag team on some mofos.

Posted by: ErikW at October 09, 2011 11:51 AM (zKHLn)

You drop'em and I'll stompy boot them.

Posted by: Tami-Cardinals fan at October 09, 2011 08:08 AM (X6akg)

58 Pardon me.....

Posted by: Tony Rezco at October 09, 2011 08:09 AM (ze29X)

59 As I have said, the fact that even a single gun was not interdicted in this operation and found a way to Mexico is unacceptable. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The only thing staggering here is the arrogance of Eric Holder. Even one gun not interdicted is unacceptable ? How the fuck is that possible ? That was the WHOLE POINT of the operation - to intentionally allow ALL the guns to go to Mexico without interdiction. If you really thought that even ONE gun was unacceptable, then clearly you would recognize this operation as a cataclysmic failure and you would not be getting indignant with ANYONE about it, no matter WHAT they said. You would humbly go about your business investigating the operation and FIRING everyone involved in the decision making process that led up to it. But since you are NOT doing that, it is equally clear that not only did you approve of the operation, you still do.

Posted by: deadrody at October 09, 2011 08:09 AM (eOvu0)

60 Dear Mr Holder,

Although you've been told numerous times how brilliant you were by your fellow elitists, they were just saying that in order to avoid accusations of racism.

You really are dumber than a box of rocks

Posted by: kbdabear at October 09, 2011 08:09 AM (Y+DPZ)

Here is a "Downfall" parody for Operation Fast and Furious:

http://tinyurl.com/69wya8l

Enjoy!

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 09, 2011 08:10 AM (DHM4d)

62 Guilty dogs bark

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 09, 2011 08:11 AM (OhYCU)

63 What do you say we close Gitmo and have public civilian trials of terrorists in NY?

Posted by: AG Eric Holder at October 09, 2011 08:11 AM (FabC8)

64 62 Did you see the story quoting the new(?) head of ATF making light of the whole situation? He was quoted as saying basically, "I don't know why everyone is so upset, most of the people killed were just Mexicans."

Posted by: Have Blue at October 09, 2011 11:43 AM

Rick Perry said that? WOW ... ooops, we'll just issue a correction on page a54 next to the zoning meetings. We still have integrity to sell!

Posted by: The MBM at October 09, 2011 08:12 AM (Y+DPZ)

65 Somewhat like a neutrino ( see sidebar ), Holder was guilty of incompetence and perjury as A. G. even before he became Attorney General

Posted by: SantaRosaStan, but the levee was dry... at October 09, 2011 08:12 AM (UqKQV)

An Obama Haiku:

Fast-talker walker

Watergate killed nobody

Holder sedition

Posted by: Holder is dreamy at October 09, 2011 08:13 AM (LWvFR)

67 what we might be being shown. is anything is a tool, (even killing) if it is to get politically where they want to go.

i hope i'm wrong!

but if following the guns to a destination was not allowed, and the guns were Given to known drug and cartels. what could be the excuse?!

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2011 08:15 AM (h+qn8)

You drop'em and I'll stompy boot them.

Posted by: Tami-Cardinals fan at October 09, 2011 12:08 PM (X6akg)

Damn! Get out the way, son!

Posted by: ErikW at October 09, 2011 08:15 AM (zKHLn)

69 One keeps hoping spines will grow in Congress, but hope ain't a plan. A delicious dream: There is a hearing on this in Congress and we get a "McCarthy" moment when someone has the nerve to interrupt Holder in the midst of another excuse and tell him "Stop. Your incompetence is eclipsed only by your deceit and shifting of blame. You are Attorney General, Mr. Holder, and you are responsible for your department's actions. No one here has the slightest interest in your skin color or your opinions of our nation's views on race. You are not Moral Scold General. We are interested in why you deliberately sent guns to Mexican gun-runners."

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 09, 2011 08:19 AM (AZGON)

70 srsly, i would like this to come down to, These Guys are all idiots and disn't think it through instead of the other thought.

but how much can we keep saying that to everything.

well is Obama and crew just consistantly making the wrong decisions because they aren't experienced in management?

Posted by: willow at October 09, 2011 08:21 AM (h+qn8)

71 Money was laundered in this operation. Tax money was loaned to Solyndra and then the guns where bought with Solyndra money then sold to the cartels with drug money then that money was funneled to OWS and to buy more guns. All with several fronts between everyone.

Posted by: Tjexcite at October 09, 2011 08:22 AM (emjFY)

72 78 The bottom line: Dangerous Mexican drug cartels were "sold" weapons to murder people...paid for by 1.25 million taxpayer dollars!

We don't give a rip who paid for it. It's all funny-money to us anyway.

Posted by: Turbo Tax Timmy at October 09, 2011 08:40 AM (NZMKc)

73 I say start the impeachment(s) send em to the senate and let some of the democrat senators who are up for reelection think about which way they want to vote on it.

Posted by: Bob Saget at October 09, 2011 08:48 AM (dBvlk)

74 I'm ready to make money off of this:

Extradite the BATFE.

I'm sure the "they are just Mexicans" comment will be enough to convince a Mexican judge to forgive them.

Extradition is also a 2013 option that a last minute pardon by Obama cannot prevent.

Posted by: Kristopher at October 09, 2011 08:50 AM (Z3y1K)

75 Eric Holder can go to Hell. Probably even they won't want him, though.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 09, 2011 08:54 AM (ndlFj)

76 The Obama cheerleaders at the LA Times have a nice photo of some F&F guns located in a cartel enforcer's secret room, here: http://tinyurl.com/6eb3p7l can anyone photoshop E Holder onto the Tony Montana dollar, and the Recovery.gov logo onto the guns...seems apposite...

Posted by: The SCOAMF Awards (aka at October 09, 2011 09:08 AM (cKeZa)

77 Remember when John Ashcroft was AG and he was bashed daily

Well that marble tit did make a great backdrop.

Posted by: DaveA at October 09, 2011 09:14 AM (txTVO)

78 Let's close the loophholes that allow a lying, corrupt, racist asshole from becoming the AG at the DOJ.

Posted by: Marmo at October 09, 2011 09:20 AM (VQCqZ)

79 46 Wasn't it the ATF that murdered those children in Waco so they could be saved from abuse?Â Are these guys total fuck ups or what? -------------------------------- For the sake of accuracy, it was FBI and Delta Force that killed those kids in Waco. ATF was only involved in the initial assault.

Posted by: Spiker at October 09, 2011 09:23 AM (KESXl)

80 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 09, 2011 09:23 AM (fyOgS)

81 I posted here long ago that Holder was one of the worst members of a terrible administration.Nothing he's done(or failed to do),has surprised me.An enemy of the US is AG.Of course the man who appointed him is an even worse enemy of the US.

Posted by: steevy at October 09, 2011 09:26 AM (fyOgS)

82 John E. Another excellent Post on this truly incomprehensible matter involving over 2,000 guns that are linked to murders in the United States against our own law enforcement officials and hundreds of citizens in Mexico. If a DOJ investigation is taking Place as Eric Holder suggests why then is he discussing policy in the midst of the supposed investigation, and at the same time trying to Prove his innocence? Where is the DOJ's report on the matter and why are they not cooperating with congressional oversight and subpoenas?

Posted by: Jornolist at October 09, 2011 09:32 AM (UE0B9)

Holder would be nice get, but this goes higher. And yes I mean to Obama.

Posted by: Have Blue at October 09, 2011 11:31 AM (IKTC

Maybe even as high as puppet master Valerie Jarrett

Posted by: phreshone at October 09, 2011 09:35 AM (T3vCe)

84 That letter now stands as unsworn testimony to Congress. I hope staff is parsing every line.

Posted by: pat at October 09, 2011 09:36 AM (UFxap)

85 As I have said before, the only way these guys aren't going to jail is for them to retain power in 2012. They will do anything. The only way to break this open (and possibly save the country from marshal law and all the resulting consequenses) is for Holder to eff up and cave because he gets immunity. Holder is the most dangerours man that Obama knows. These guys have to be watching each other 24/7.

Posted by: pawn at October 09, 2011 09:37 AM (iMsF6)

86 FBI after Waco: "We introduced MASSIVE amounts of military-grade, incapacitating tear gas on defenseless children in hopes that the parental concern of the adults would lead them to surrender." {Paraphrase} What a dark day in this country.

Posted by: Spiker at October 09, 2011 09:41 AM (4t9J5)

87 I didn't know it was unpatriotic to accuse corrupt government officials of corruption.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at October 09, 2011 09:51 AM (mDJ5B)

88 At a minimum, Holder is up for accessory to Murder One. That would get any citizen (at least one Osama Obama didn't plan to pardon) a long, long stay in a federal Gated Community.

More from the LA Times: http://lat.ms/nysqgu

Oh, and the same charge applies to the stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure if he knew what was going on.

He did, of course.

I wish Mexico would charge these two slimeballs. God knows no one in the USA has the balls to do it.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 09, 2011 09:52 AM (YjjrR)

89 We don't even have a useful frame of reference to get a grip on something like Fast and Furious. Some of the highest officials in the U.S. government ordered operations involving the smuggling of huge numbers of guns to murderous drug cartels. Over 200 corpses result -- and can we confident that the number isn't much higher? And the purpose of this criminal insanity? Who the hell really knows. It's hard to wrap one's mind around...especially given the fact that the media and a good chunk of the populace will active cover up and ignore the monstrosity, just because their political party is implicated.

People need to go to prison for this, for a very long time...

Posted by: Stu-22 at October 09, 2011 10:00 AM (k4bdL)

90 Holder finds it unacceptable that guns from this operation found their way into Mexico. Wonder what he thinks of ATF Agent Newell's promotion? He was the Special Agent in Charge of F & F in the Phoenix office and is now the special assistant to the Assistant Director of the agency's Office of Management in D.C.

Posted by: Ms. Trish at October 09, 2011 10:27 AM (zaW0K)

91 The walls are starting to close in on him and...

Good. The perfect end result would be for him to be crushed to the size of a matchbox once everything is done.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 09, 2011 10:29 AM (Sih+c)

92 99 Holder don't know nothing about that.Nothing at all.

Posted by: steevy at October 09, 2011 10:55 AM (fyOgS)

93 98 We don't even have a useful frame of reference to get a grip on something like Fast and Furious. Some of the highest officials in the U.S. government ordered operations involving the smuggling of huge numbers of guns to murderous drug cartels. Over 200 corpses result -- and can we confident that the number isn't much higher? And the purpose of this criminal insanity? Who the hell really knows. It's hard to wrap one's mind around...especially given the fact that the media and a good chunk of the populace will active cover up and ignore the monstrosity, just because their political party is implicated.

People need to go to prison for this, for a very long time...

Posted by: Stu-22 at October 09, 2011 02:00 PM (k4bdL)

The only frame of reference we might possibly have is a (good, early-era) Clancy-type techno-thriller novel . . . this is Worst Nightmare Of A Fiction Writer's Reject Pile For Being Too Fricking Implausable type stuff . . .

Posted by: filbert at October 09, 2011 11:01 AM (smvTK)

There's something to be said for Issa waiting to charge people until 21 January 2013.

Can JEF issue pardons for people who have not even been charged? Simple logic says "no".

JEF's term ends before 21 January 2013, so he will have little ability to protect his operatives then.

And the piecemeal subpoenas and releases, publicly broadcast over August, September and October 2012, ... we need something for entertainment, while waiting for the Fall lineup.

Posted by: Arbalest at October 09, 2011 11:01 AM (2At9+)

This line:

"I simply cannot sit idly by as a Majority Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens be considered "accessories to murder." Such inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms."

was actually a paraphrase for what I actually said:

"Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our ATF putting weapons in the hands of Mexican drug runners - we did.

But you can't hold the whole justice department responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole executive branch? And if the whole executive branch is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our govermental institutions in general? I put it to you, Congressman Issa - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!"

Posted by: Eric "Otter" Holder at October 09, 2011 11:53 AM (CGxxU)

96 Arbalest: I don't believe that Nixon was charged with anything when Ford issued his pardon. On the other hand, if Holder weren't charged with anything when the pardon was issued, I'm not sure that it would - legally - be effective against a later charge.

Posted by: rabidfox at October 09, 2011 12:00 PM (FROPA)

While Holder is pulliing the standard "blame Bush" shit, here's what actually happened:

Wide Receiver sought to track and interdict guns being smuggled south using a combination of RFID-tracking devices embedded in the shipments and overheard surveillance aircraft. Wide Receiver failed because of the limitations of the technology used, compounded by the ineptness of its installation and the unexpected resourcefulness of the cartelÂ’s gun smugglers.

As a result of the mistakes made in Wide Receiver, guns were lost: approximately 450 made it into Mexico. As a result, the botched operation launched in 2006 Â— and in this instance, actually botched Â— was shut down in 2007.

Compare the mistakes of Wide Receiver to the operations launched under Eric HolderÂ’s Department of Justice, which had the advantages of learning from the postmortem failures of Wide Receiver two years before.

http://tinyurl.com/3vx2c43

Posted by: SFC MAC at October 09, 2011 12:28 PM (h1hkE)

98 I simply cannot sit idly by as a Majority Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform suggests, as happened this week, that law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens be considered "accessories to murder." Such inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms.

Oh? But you can make the same accusations about Arizona law enforcement agencies, is that it? Except Sheriff Dumbshit in Pima County.

Posted by: ExExZonie at October 09, 2011 01:50 PM (HhqrH)

99 Normally I'd agree, I just don't know how you re-establish the rule of law once a nation has gone this far down the rabbit hole. I've long speculated Obama could be our Caligula -- a leader so hated that he turns the majority of Americans against our system of government. In Caligula's case, this had no obvious effect, except on him. Romans still obeyed orders ... when they had to. But they completely lost interest in furthering or defending their government's wishes. It was every man for himself, like in the old Soviet Union. Which, like Rome, lost so much confidence it collapsed. In the case of Charles I of England, he so abused his powers and the consent of the people that they not only removed him, but wound up serving Oliver Cromwell, England's only military dictator. Both Caligula and Charles I so corrupted the institutions of government that their people turned against, not just them personally, but the system of government itself. If that happens here, it'll be bad. My hope, however, is that a public stupid enough to elect Obama is obtuse enough not to notice how clearly broken our governmental system is. Hell of a thing to hang your optimism on.

Posted by: Steve Johnson at October 09, 2011 02:23 PM (lr+d3)

100 "accessories to murder."

Kevin Williamson at NRO The Corner points out:
http://tinyurl.com/4x8ob35

And here is 18 U.S.C. Â§ 1112:
(a) Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice. It is of two kinds: VoluntaryÂ–Upon a sudden quarrel or heat of passion. InvoluntaryÂ–In the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to a felony, or in the commission in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and circumspection, of a lawful act which might produce death.

(b) Within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, Whoever is guilty of voluntary manslaughter, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; Whoever is guilty of involuntary manslaughter, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.

So not murder, involuntary manslaughter, so far.

Posted by: geoffb at October 09, 2011 04:13 PM (d3wbb)

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Posted by: Shatner Rules AudioBook at October 09, 2011 04:48 PM (SpVD8)

104 I am all but certain that Obastard can issue a blanket pardon for any federal crimes that Holder committed or may have committed well before any charges are actually filed. RHIP.

Posted by: CMU VET at October 09, 2011 05:01 PM (F+1Cp)

105
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Posted by: Dark Souls The Official Guide ePub at October 09, 2011 05:07 PM (2B8ft)

106
Can JEF issue pardons for people who have not even been charged? Simple logic says "no".
Posted by: Arbalest

History says yes.

See Carter, James Earl: blanket pardon of draft dodgers

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 09, 2011 05:24 PM (/qkBU)

107 Holder and obama think they have the popular opinion on guns. I thought my bro's were crazey for hoarding guns and ammo but maybe they are right. Attach watch

Posted by: smittywood at October 09, 2011 07:08 PM (fL7XO)

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Posted by: The Artist Who Painted a Blue Horse ePub at October 09, 2011 07:40 PM (cfDVi)

109

@ 38. "If being a know-nothing is the prime requirement for being AG, as Holder states time and again, let's stop hiring poseurs and go for the Gold Standard: Sgt. Schultz."

Hey, at least Sgt. Schultz was "I know nothing" in a likable way. Holder is just an ass.

Posted by: Case at October 09, 2011 10:32 PM (DYR2Q)

110
"In a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan." The haughty, French-looking Senator from Massachusetts, who, by the way, served in Vietnam.

That's Jen-jis, you unwashed peasant.

Posted by: Kerry-Heinz Inc at October 10, 2011 10:24 AM (xm1A1)

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