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May 08, 2011

Escalation: Pakistan Outs CIA Chief
— Ace

Outs, not ousts. Ousting him would be one thing. Dumping his identity to the jihadist public through the media is quite another.

A CIA turncoat outed the identity of a CIA station chief in, I think, Greece in the 1970s. He got murdered shortly thereafter.

Thus, Pakistan is not merely outing the name of our CIA station chief. They are also setting him up to be murdered, in the grand Islamist tradition of "I'll take this one step and let my jihadist buddies take the next, and then I'll claim I had nothing to do with any of it, and condemn the murder (slightly; with reservations, and fresh complaints about "occupying armies").

So this CIA chief will have to be evacuated ASAP, on threat of death.

To even call this "escalation" is a mistatement. Here's the series of actions so far:

Pakistan creates the Taliban in Afghanistan as a hyper-fundamentalist terrorist-friendly proxy government.

Pakistan supports the Taliban until they take over the country.

The Taliban, most likely with the go-ahead from Pakistan (its patron), invites Usama bin Ladin to live there, an offer he takes.

Protected in Afghanistan, Usama bin Ladin kills 3000 people, mostly American, some foreign, some Muslim.

Pakistan continues supporting the Taliban even as we go to war with them.

Pakistan apparently gives aid and shelter to Usama bin Ladin.

We kill Usama bin Ladin, venturing into his Pakistan hidey-hole to do so.

We note that Pakistan seems likely involved in hiding Usama bin Ladin.

To get even with us for the outrage of protecting ourselves against their murderers, Pakistan outs our CIA station chief.

Anyone besides me notice in that series of actions it's almost entirely Pakistan that's killing and harming Americans? Seems to me we took three corrective actions -- to stop things that shouldn't have been going on in the first place -- and Pakistan gets even via another murderous provocation.

Excerpt at Hot Air:

In a sign of how bad ties are between the two countries, Pakistani media on Saturday once again publicly named the CIA station chief in Islamabad, a breach of both protocol and trust, that is bound to enrage Washington.
A Pakistani TV channel and a newspaper considered mouthpieces of the countryÂ’s military said the ISI chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha had met CIA station chief Mark Carlton to protest US incursion into Abbottabad to kill al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden. CIA station chiefs remain anonymous and unnamed in public although the host government is told.
Earlier, the Obama administration had asked Pakistan to disclose names of its top intelligence operatives to determine whether they had contact with Osama or his agents.
The latest breach indicates that a section of the Pakistani military-intelligence establishment is determined to run the CIA out of the country fearing that the ISIÂ’s links with terror groups and its sheltering of terrorist leaders will be exposed.

This is going to get very ugly. It will be bad for America, but it will be worse for Pakistan.

At some point, they can no longer be permitted to wage a coward's war on their own terms. If they want to ride the tiger, they should be made to ride the goddamned tiger.

But in the Meantime: Surely we have a list of their homosexual ISI agents and generals and fundamentalist clerics. And their adulterers and whoremongers and pedophiles and porn addicts.

Obama should deploy Alinksy's rule against our actual enemies and make them live up to their own rulebook.

Posted by: Ace at 01:32 PM | Comments (124)
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We don't have the stomach to make them ride the tiger.

Posted by: PBoilermaker at May 08, 2011 01:35 PM (jU2vI)

2 No, we don't. We will after they nuke us. Which I think is now almost inevitable. They like to do this, kill people in great numbers. They rely upon our lack of savagery to spare them. After the nuke, that will be gone.

Posted by: ace at May 08, 2011 01:36 PM (nj1bB)

3 At some point, you transition from passive to active. In this case, we start supporting India in Kashmir, with arms, and intelligence.

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2011 01:37 PM (gmlb7)

4 ace,

Could you check the morning's open thread? There's a worrisome post from one of our regulars. None of us around today know how to figure out if ktnxbai *cough* is ok.

This is the post: 60

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2011 01:37 PM (pW2o8)

5 Thanks Y-Not. I just wrote to the email address left there. I also searched my email for any emails from that address; none found. Does twentiesmad-telegram mean anything to anyone? A google search fails to turn up anyone with that email.

Posted by: ace at May 08, 2011 01:41 PM (nj1bB)

6 This looks like a job for Capt. Gutsy!

We are so screwed.

Posted by: Gen. Sir Harry Paget Flashman, VC at May 08, 2011 01:41 PM (faA7d)

7 It is entirely disrespectful to refer to President Obama as Capt. Gutsy.

It should be at least Col. Gutsy, or maybe General Gutsy.

Brave Sir Robin is right out.

Posted by: Jack at May 08, 2011 01:43 PM (kCT7A)

8 Why does the article say they've outed him "again"? That would imply they've already done this previously. Was it the same guy?

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 08, 2011 01:46 PM (5+pHf)

9 If there were ever a time that we need Dick Cheney in our government, it is right now.

Posted by: Doc Rochester at May 08, 2011 01:47 PM (/6Ok3)

10 Pakistan delenda est.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 08, 2011 01:48 PM (BgUOV)

11 waterhouse, I don't know. I just tried to read more carefully but I see no hint of what that "again" means.

Posted by: ace at May 08, 2011 01:49 PM (nj1bB)

12 Pakistan has nukes. And millions of innocent people. No matter what we decide to do, it won't be easy and it won't be pretty. Maybe we should have let Pakistan and India duke it out 10 years ago.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 08, 2011 01:51 PM (BgUOV)

Fuck Pakistan. I know nothing about India's military capabilities but I'm thinking they wouldn't mind wiping out an urban population or two and they are a REAL ally.

We should declare war on Pakistan immediately.

Posted by: ErikW at May 08, 2011 01:52 PM (ve3s8)

14 But imagine how badly Pakistan would've reacted had we not gone to all that trouble of honoring their death cult when we disposed of OBL's body. Really, we should all be grateful to Captain America and his well-creased pants.
/s

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2011 01:53 PM (pW2o8)

15 You were right. Al Qaeda is Pakistan.

Posted by: SlaveDog at May 08, 2011 01:56 PM (PidTa)

16 Sounds like maybe we need to misidentify Ahmed Shuja Pasha as a Talib and drop a hellfire on his head. That might discourage this sort of thing in the future.

Posted by: Phelps at May 08, 2011 01:58 PM (ACp4b)

17 And call it Operation Slip of the Tongue.

Posted by: Phelps at May 08, 2011 01:58 PM (ACp4b)

18 Will someone splain to me why we give a NICKEL in foreign aid to Pakistan? To the Palestinians?

Posted by: real joe at May 08, 2011 01:59 PM (w7Lv+)

19 Before we do anything, make sure that hot Paki actress who told off the mullahs has been evacuated first.

Posted by: Rabbi Bloody Mary at May 08, 2011 01:59 PM (x/4B/)

20 SMAAAAAART POWERRRRR!

Posted by: Cicero at May 08, 2011 01:59 PM (Txl/u)

21 >>Why does the article say they've outed him "again"? That would imply they've already done this previously. Was it the same guy? No. They did the same thing in 2010.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 08, 2011 01:59 PM (hAVKN)

22 Our constant obsession with placating the Muslims is completely counterproductive. The Paki government has two groups to placate; their own radical and rather stupid population, and us. If their population sees us constantly trying to make nice, then they will be angry with their own government if it isn't aggressive, figuring that their country and ours must be evenly matched, or close to it. Therefore, why should they be conciliatory? On the other hand, if we are aggressive and let them know how little we care about what they think, and that their misbehavior has serious consequences for them, the population will get the idea that maybe we are not to be trifled with. Only then can the Paki government do what needs to be done vis a vis the headchoppers in ISI.

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2011 02:00 PM (gmlb7)

23 There's no need to fear! Under Barry is here!

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 08, 2011 02:00 PM (jx2j9)

24 Give the Indians the H-Bomb and tell them where to aim.

Posted by: TexasJew at May 08, 2011 02:01 PM (L8Let)

25 Obama should deploy Alinksy's rule against our actual enemies and make them live up to their own rulebook.

Their rulebook says that leaders who've attained enlightenment (batinÂ—personal revelation of the hidden will inside the Law) aren't bound by the rulebook (zahirÂ—the exoteric form of the Law).

Sharia is taqiyya. It applies to you, not them.

You know how Kerry isn't a hypocrite for evading the yacht tax, and Clinton's extracting sexual favors from his professional inferiors is hot, and [etc.]? Just like that.

Posted by: oblig. at May 08, 2011 02:01 PM (xvZW9)

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2011 05:53 PM (pW2o

I'd like to know why the fuck it takes 40 minutes to send a Muslim to hell and why the fuck the Navy has Muslim clerics available to perform the ceremony.

Posted by: ErikW at May 08, 2011 02:01 PM (ve3s8)

27 Speaking of Cap't Awesomesauce, be prepared to lose your dinner.

No seriously.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 08, 2011 02:02 PM (HzXiS)

28 No kidding. Barry's 'Smart Diplomacy' is working perfectly.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at May 08, 2011 02:02 PM (jx2j9)

29 Will someone splain to me why we give a NICKEL in foreign aid to Pakistan?

Because much of our military supply train for AStan goes through PStan.

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2011 02:02 PM (gmlb7)

Pakistan needs high speed rail!

Posted by: Joe "Casey Jones" Biden at May 08, 2011 02:03 PM (yQWNf)

Surely we have a list of their homosexual ISI agents and generals and fundamentalist clerics. And their adulterers and whoremongers and pedophiles and porn addicts.

Right. But that wouldn't be "fair." And nothing will come of it because they are members of a protected religion.

Posted by: Avogadra at May 08, 2011 02:04 PM (dtIOD)

32 Considering the last week, this revenge outing seems worse than what started World War One.

Posted by: MoJoTee at May 08, 2011 02:04 PM (EBfoe)

33 No, Leon, I don't want to come watch TV today. Just freaking TiVO it!

Posted by: Sir Shankapotamus at May 08, 2011 02:05 PM (FcR7P)

34 This is a direct result of Bush pouting in Texas.

Posted by: Maureen Dowd(y) at May 08, 2011 02:05 PM (pW2o8)

35 Get India's help in Afghanistan, cut foreign aid, and start outing secrets to hurt the Pakistani leaders politically. There is no excuse for this and pretending like nothing happened is absolutely inexcusable. The people who are suffering the most are the ones who have given their life to protecting this nation. And our leaders who are doing nothing? They don't know sacrifice at all.

Posted by: SnowSoul at May 08, 2011 02:05 PM (+7e79)

36 This seems like a good man to be rescued by ALL OF THE SEALS, ASAP.

Posted by: MoJoTee at May 08, 2011 02:06 PM (EBfoe)

Considering the last week, this revenge outing seems worse than what started World War One.

To you maybe.

Posted by: Zombie Archduke Francis Ferdinand at May 08, 2011 02:07 PM (Txl/u)

38 I don't think it's as simple as "Pakistan is working against us". There are different factions controlling different parts of the government. The goal should be to make the people moving against us meet an untimely end without forcing the rest to rally around the flag.

The big benefit to getting blamed for everything is when you actually start with the "dagger" part of cloak & dagger people think "Yeah, yeah, but we always blame them..."

Posted by: Ace's liver at May 08, 2011 02:07 PM (QgI7g)

39 Because much of our military supply train for AStan goes through PStan. Posted by: pep at May 08, 2011 06:02 PM (gmlb7) Well, if we empty out a few boomers in the place, the problems self-corrects.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 08, 2011 02:07 PM (BgUOV)

40 Plenty of room left in the North Arabian Sea. I'm just sayin'...

Posted by: t-bird at May 08, 2011 02:07 PM (FcR7P)

41 I'm sure it has been said here many times, but we the American taxpayer (our children, really) are paying the bill for both sides to fight this war through the Saudi oil we buy and our "aid" to countries like Pakistan.

Posted by: USA at May 08, 2011 02:07 PM (YZISw)

42 35 Will someone splain to me why we give a NICKEL in foreign aid to Pakistan?

Because much of our military supply train for AStan goes through PStan.
Posted by: pep at May 08, 2011 06:02 PM

Unfortunately the logistics dictate that we have to supply our troops in Afghanistan through Pakistan.

We have to bail out of Afghanistan big time before giving Pakistan the bum's rush and they know it

Why do I have a hunch that every think tank analyst and pundit that showed up on the news last week is going to be shown as clueless fools who are only analyzing their own punditry?

Posted by: kbdabear at May 08, 2011 02:07 PM (vdfwz)

43 Get India's help in Afghanistan...

The Indians aren't dumb enough to get involved in A-stan.

Posted by: Ace's liver at May 08, 2011 02:08 PM (QgI7g)

44 Pakistan cannot deliver their nuclear goodies beyond their corner of central Asia. I say that we let India take care of the Pakis. You know they are dying to right.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 08, 2011 02:08 PM (yQWNf)

45 #12 - From WSJ - Dec 10, 2010:

WASHINGTONÂ—The Central Intelligence Agency pulled its top spy out of Pakistan, citing threats to his life after a lawsuit revealed his name and accused him of helping to orchestrate the agency's campaign of drone missile strikes in the country.

Officials said the agency is looking into the possibility that Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, the ISI, may have had a role in blowing the CIA station chief's cover, a sign of tensions in relations.

Posted by: fused at May 08, 2011 02:08 PM (LawKN)

46 "This is not the end, nor is it the beginning of the end. It is the end of the beginning" - Winston Churchill

Posted by: kbdabear at May 08, 2011 02:08 PM (vdfwz)

47 Obama should deploy Alinksy's rule against our actual enemies and make them live up to their own rulebook. He's really confused right now by the meaning of 'our'. So many things aren't squaring in his head.

Posted by: t-bird at May 08, 2011 02:09 PM (FcR7P)

48 No, we don't. We will after they nuke us.

Which I think is now almost inevitable.

They like to do this, kill people in great numbers. They rely upon our lack of savagery to spare them.

After the nuke, that will be gone.

Posted by: ace at May 08, 2011 05:36 PM (nj1bB)

Serious, You think that's a possibility now?

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2011 02:10 PM (h+qn8)

49 the ISI, may have had a role in blowing the CIA station chief's cover, a sign of tensions in relations

'Nothing that an iPod full of Precedent Tough Guy's speeches can't patch up.

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2011 02:10 PM (pW2o8)

50 If they've publicly outed him on TV, isn't that pretending to be on the Taliban's side while allowing our guy to escape?

Posted by: t-bird at May 08, 2011 02:11 PM (FcR7P)

51 So essentially, you're saying that Pakistan is ultimately behind 9/11?

Posted by: Beto at May 08, 2011 02:11 PM (H+LJc)

52 We don't have the stomach to make them ride the tiger.

That depends upon which "we" you refer to. We, as in The Firm in Washington or We, the people. Because, I think We, the people, have had about a damned 'nuff.

Posted by: Clueless at May 08, 2011 02:12 PM (piMMO)

ktnxbai (3BWU6)

I found nothing that I could tell leads to that SN.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2011 02:13 PM (h+qn8)

54 What if we attack Pakistan and Pakistan nukes a few cities in India. Will India be our buddy after that? If nukes start flying between India and Pakistan, what will the Chinese do?

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 08, 2011 02:14 PM (BgUOV)

55 General "Brains and Guts" Obama had to be pushed into the raid by Panetta

Posted by: kbdabear at May 08, 2011 02:14 PM (vdfwz)

56 Won't China make a move If we or India does?

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2011 02:14 PM (h+qn8)

57 >>fused at May 08, 2011 06:08 PM (LawKN) Yea, that's what I was talking about. It had to do with a lawsuit some Pakistani is bringing against the US because his brother (I think) was killed by a drone. Somehow, his lawyer happened to know the name of the CIA station chief in Pakistan and announced it in a press conference. The ISI has been a shadow government in Pakistan for decades. If they are allowed to remain in place we will never be able to win in Afghanistan.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 08, 2011 02:14 PM (hAVKN)

58 We are continually reacting to events in Pakistan, rather than driving them. We have to put the Pakistani leadership in the position where they must react to our moves, so that we call the shots. Of course, doing so requires leadership and less time on the golf course, so I guess it's a nonstarter.

But pep, didn't Obama show leadership by killing OBL?

No, he was presented with a fact on the ground, and knew that failure to act would be politically lethal.

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2011 02:15 PM (gmlb7)

59 If nukes start flying between India and Pakistan, what will the Chinese do?

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 08, 2011 06:14 PM (BgUOV)

Make cheap shit consumables for the survivors.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 08, 2011 02:15 PM (yQWNf)

60 hell there's already a new post up

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2011 02:16 PM (h+qn8)

61 63 Won't China make a move If we or India does?

China won't go to war over Kashmir. Yes, they'll try to stir up trouble, but they will be careful because they have their own restive Muslim population, and because they know a basketcase when they see it.

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2011 02:18 PM (gmlb7)

62 Does anyone know for sure how to keep a small tactical nuclear exchange between two non-superpower countries from becoming a huge strategic exchange between superpowers?

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 08, 2011 02:18 PM (BgUOV)

63 Our company employees a lot of Indians (East Indians) and one of my co-workers was chatting up one of the garbed gals the other day and asked her opinion of the situation in Pakistan, and with Bin Laden in particular.

She surprised him by going on a rant about the US sticking our nose in other peoples business and invading another country.

Fuck her and her lot. Send them packing back to fucking India where they measure human worth based upon whether you're rich or poor or, oh yeah, a woman.

Posted by: Clueless at May 08, 2011 02:19 PM (piMMO)

64 Make cheap shit consumables for the survivors. Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 08, 2011 06:15 PM (yQWNf) Open an iPad factory and offer noodles or rice with lunch.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 08, 2011 02:19 PM (BgUOV)

The Paki's are hopelessly corrupt. DUH
Their gov and mil are completely controlled by Islamic murder dogs. It is now inevitable that the US will take out their Nucs. And even our mulatto pres. will come to that conclusion very soon. Buckle your seat belts. Buy MRE's and lots O ammo, hoard water, go solar where you can. Go to your local community airport and buy AV gas (100LL). Buy as much as you can safely store at home. It lasts years without degrading and will power your POV just fine for 6 or more months. (After that the catalytic converter breaks down ). GOOD LUCK ALL. MARANATHA!

Posted by: Capt Obvious at May 08, 2011 02:19 PM (bBjHO)

66 Does anyone else think Cheney is looking old and weak?

Posted by: Clueless at May 08, 2011 02:19 PM (piMMO)

Bring it on.

Finally it is brought forward that they are cowards the way they are fighting and we are asses for paying for it in aid we give them.

Alls thats needed is courage.

Bring it on.

Posted by: Vanessa at May 08, 2011 02:20 PM (VHLO2)

68 Does anyone know for sure how to keep a small tactical nuclear exchange between two non-superpower countries from becoming a huge strategic exchange between superpowers?

Limit the world to one superpower.

Exchange between superpowers is thus impossible.

Also, the fact that we have thousands more nukes that we wouldn't have used in the process of solving Pakistan.

Posted by: Methos at May 08, 2011 02:22 PM (uqJo6)

69 We have to put the Pakistani leadership in the position where they must react to our moves, so that we call the shots.

That was the genius of Bush's "with us or against us" speech. All those nuanced people on the left assumed it was wide-angle rhetoric from the Cowboy President, but if they'd actually thought for a moment (I know, hard to imagine), they would have realized it was aimed at one guy . Bush forced Musharraf off the fence and onto our side, at least publicly. That prevented Musharraf from doing what he would have done otherwise, which is try to play us off against the Jihadis.

Posted by: Ace's liver at May 08, 2011 02:22 PM (QgI7g)

70 Does anyone know for sure how to keep a small tactical nuclear exchange between two non-superpower countries from becoming a huge strategic exchange between superpowers?

Not if one of those countries is Israel I don't.

Yeah, yeah. I know. Israel doesn't have nukes.

I got it.

Posted by: Clueless at May 08, 2011 02:23 PM (piMMO)

71 Does anyone know for sure how to keep a small tactical nuclear exchange between two non-superpower countries from becoming a huge strategic exchange between superpowers?

Maybe you could explain why China, seeing India and Pakistan duking it out, would feel compelled to get involved? I don't see any reason why it would spread.

Posted by: Ace's liver at May 08, 2011 02:24 PM (QgI7g)

72 sheesh, maybe mayans were right. gah

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2011 02:27 PM (h+qn8)

73 It won't get ugly because Obama is a sycophantic Muslim wannabee.

Posted by: Federale at May 08, 2011 02:28 PM (7xqyd)

74 Does anyone else think Cheney is looking old and weak?

Posted by: Clueless at May 08, 2011 06:19 PM (piMMO)

Well he's 70 and losing a significant amount of weight as part of dealing with a bad behaving ticker won't make you look robust.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2011 02:28 PM (wX23+)

75 73 Does anyone else think Cheney is looking old and weak?

He's been really ill and needs a heart transplant.

I'd say "frail," not "weak." He still has his mighty warcock, god bless him.

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2011 02:28 PM (pW2o8)

76 Would that it was as easy as telling the pakis to get bent and giving them a trillion candlepower sunrise. Except,they are our only logistic link to afghanistan. We could, of course, try estabishing bases in turkmenistan or uzbekistan, but that hasn't worked well in the past...IIRC,the uzbeks tried to raise our basing costs by a factor of 100, so we closed down ops there. Pakistan is our only logistics route to afghanistan. Shutting off aid means we slit the throat of any further plans of operating in AFG, we simply don't have the strategic airlift capability to keep the number of troops we have in AFG supplied. Even if we did have an uzbek or turkmen base, pakistan has the most viable overland routes and, for lack of a better word, infrastructure to support moving the supplies needed in theater. I say we leave afghanistan, leaving a case of bourbon, a stack of porn, and a box of hand grenades on every street corner as we leave, use crop dusters dropping captured coke to cover our withdrawal and keep the natives restless and get them all hooked, burn everything of value that we can't take with us, and when the last man out calls home from an airport on US soil, then we nuke them both, from space. What good is the bazillions we've spent on nasa if we can't get them to re-direct an asteroid with terminal guidance? Not a "global killer" but certainly a "region crippler.". From what I hear, haji has a thing for worshiping asteroids, so it's a win-win.

Posted by: Chuck Z at May 08, 2011 02:31 PM (qXWUM)

77 Does anyone else think Cheney is looking old and weak?

Well, he is old. And for a guy with that many heart attacks under his belt he looks pretty good, i.e. alive.

Posted by: Ace's liver at May 08, 2011 02:33 PM (QgI7g)

78 Give the Indians the H-Bomb.

They both may already have better than early 50's atomics. Wiki thinks Pakistan has "spiked" tritium into their warheads whatever that means. It's not like they're treading completely unknown ground.

Posted by: Dave at May 08, 2011 02:34 PM (i+n69)

79 Pakistan Delenda Est!

Maybe we should start having our drones target crap weasel Paki politicians.

Posted by: Iblis at May 08, 2011 02:35 PM (9221z)

80 We need a new foreign policy. I say we go with Obscenely Disproportionate Overreaction.

Posted by: Adobe Walls at May 08, 2011 02:36 PM (uKRDQ)

81 I'd say "frail," not "weak." He still has his mighty warcock, god bless him.

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2011 06:28 PM (pW2o

I hope he lives forever just to spite the lefty cocksuckers, whose behavior on that sad day will make their cheering of Tony Snow's death look classy.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2011 02:37 PM (wX23+)

82 The Indians aren't dumb enough to get involved in A-stan.

I've read implications on Rantburg there's already Indians in A-stan. Al-Q and all the various Lashkars, Talibans, & assorted goat-boys love killing some hindoos.

Posted by: Dave at May 08, 2011 02:37 PM (i+n69)

83 Tape the aid checks to the Hellfires on Reapers. Duct tape, what can't it do?

Posted by: Dave at May 08, 2011 02:38 PM (i+n69)

84 Maybe you could explain why China, seeing India and Pakistan duking it out, would feel compelled to get involved? I don't see any reason why it would spread. Posted by: Ace's liver at May 08, 2011 06:24 PM (QgI7g) How the fuck would anyone but the Chinese know? We can only guess. Here's one: Maybe they would like to steer the outcome in some way?

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 08, 2011 02:38 PM (BgUOV)

85 In my experience most Pakis are typical Islamic human trash. Fuck them and their murder cult.

Oh, and fuck the pedophile Muhammad up his sodomy loving ass.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at May 08, 2011 02:39 PM (QcFbt)

86 I'm just catching up, but are we at war with Pakistan now?

Posted by: NC Ref at May 08, 2011 02:39 PM (/izg2)

87 Al-Q and all the various Lashkars, Talibans, & assorted goat-boys love killing some hindoos.

Posted by: Dave at May 08, 2011 06:37 PM (i+n69)

Troo 'dat; multi-theism is a grave sin to the people that worship some piece of fossilized dinosaur shit or a fucking meteor.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2011 02:41 PM (wX23+)

88 69 Does anyone know for sure how to keep a small tactical nuclear exchange between two non-superpower countries from becoming a huge strategic exchange between superpowers?

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 08, 2011 06:18 PM (BgUOV)

On bookshelves soon...

Posted by: Tom Clancy at May 08, 2011 02:42 PM (/izg2)

89 As to Cheney ... didn't he announce some months back that his heart disease had entered a new (and likely terminal) phase? A great man, who's done great things for his country. Sadly the Left will no doubt cheer his demise, even the same ones who wrung their hands about Bin Laden getting whacked.

Reason #467 I hate the traitorous Obama-left.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at May 08, 2011 02:42 PM (QcFbt)

90 Only then can the Paki government do what needs to be done vis a vis the headchoppers in ISI.

Walk down the hall and tell them to be sneakier?

Posted by: Dave at May 08, 2011 02:43 PM (i+n69)

91 small tactical nuclear exchange between two non-superpower countries from becoming a huge strategic exchange

Why would we or the Russians get into it with each other over it?

Your mixing small vs. huge, tactical vs. strategic here.
Tactical would be Pak trying to stop an Indian Tank column retaking Kashmir or the whole after the Pak army failed. Then who knows?
Strategic is decapitation & disarmament 1st strikes or total city war.
Nobody sane wants any of this.

Posted by: Dave at May 08, 2011 02:52 PM (i+n69)

92 This will piss some people off but Obama's visit to India looks like he saw this coming. Or someone smart did

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at May 08, 2011 02:57 PM (oYzxe)

93 Pakistan is our only logistics route
Iran has to go, then it's a question of shooting Hek's weak sister grenade squad.

Posted by: Dave at May 08, 2011 02:58 PM (i+n69)

94 Posted by: Dave at May 08, 2011 06:52 PM (i+n69) I know what those things are. My question has to do with escalation, with limited becoming unlimited. There has never been a nuclear exchange, small or large. No one knows anything about them.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at May 08, 2011 03:03 PM (BgUOV)

95 As to Cheney ... didn't he announce some months back that his heart disease had entered a new (and likely terminal) phase?

Yeah, "likely terminal" if he doesn't get a heart transplant. On the plus side for Cheney, even though the transplant list is supposed to be totally egalitarian, wealthy people seem to be able to get new organs.

Posted by: Ace's liver at May 08, 2011 03:04 PM (QgI7g)

96 100 This will piss some people off but Obama's visit to India looks like he saw this coming

D'you mean the visit to India which he delayed 8 months?

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2011 03:15 PM (pW2o8)

97 Yeah, "likely terminal" if he doesn't get a heart transplant. On the plus side for Cheney, even though the transplant list is supposed to be totally egalitarian, wealthy people seem to be able to get new organs.

Is that because they can afford to pay, or have insurance to pay for the incredibly expensive surgery and recovery? I kind of doubt they are bumped up in the queue for the organ simply because they are wealthy.

Posted by: Clueless at May 08, 2011 03:31 PM (piMMO)

...Because much of our military supply train for AStan goes through PStan.

Not if it goes thru an independent Balochistan....

jus saying

Posted by: meleager at May 08, 2011 03:45 PM (Wc4BO)

99 India is a more logical partner for us, it always has been. but there's a problem - India is not a communist country so the progressives just can't see their way to saying anything good about them.

Posted by: Shoey at May 08, 2011 03:47 PM (m6OUa)

100 Can't help it: What happened to the whole "everyone will love us now because of me" variant of foreign policy?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 08, 2011 03:47 PM (7utQ2)

101 Isn't Baraky scheduled to do a Pokestan visit soon? He certainly shouldn't be waving from the sunroof. In fact he might need a MRAP.

Posted by: torabora at May 08, 2011 03:49 PM (eggRg)

102

Obama should deploy Alinksy's rule against our actual enemies and make them live up to their own rulebook.

He already does that. You probably noticed that Republicans are the actual enemies, though.

Posted by: kansas at May 08, 2011 03:50 PM (nNgbi)

103

Obama should deploy Alinksy's rule against our actual enemies and make them live up to their own rulebook.

BWA-HA-Ha-Hah-ha-ha-ha-ha-HA-ha-ha (takes breath)...BWA-HA-Ha-Hah-ha-ha-ha-ha-HA-ha-ha (wipe tear from eye) Heh, ha, whew!! Obama? Use Aliskey's Rules for Radical against the US's actual enemies? That's only slightly more likely that Osama using Aliskey's Rule for Radicals against the US's actual enemies.

Posted by: Minuteman at May 08, 2011 03:51 PM (gqqCJ)

104 Clueless@105: ItÂ’s illegal to buy organs for transplant, but if you can afford it you can go to where the organs are. That is, some areas have shorter waiting lists than others. ThatÂ’s how Steve Jobs got his liver: he went through the approval process in Tennessee, which has a much shorter waiting list than California. It takes more money to go through the approval process in places other than where you live. (At least partially, I suspect, because of government regulations on the process.) Being able to afford after-surgery health care also affects your chances of being chosen when an organ becomes available. Because thereÂ’s a shortage (at least partially due to the law/regulations), transplant centers donÂ’t want to waste an organ on someone who isnÂ’t going to take enough care of it to survive after the surgery. (Giving your average moron an organ transplant just means two people die instead of one, at least until they come up with Valu-Rite-proof organs.) So, being wealthy definitely helps.

Posted by: California Tower at May 08, 2011 03:53 PM (7Ahkq)

105

a smart POTUS would schedule a visit to India, call a big press conference heap praise upon India and add (a couple of times for emphasis) that India has the right to protect itself from Islamic extremists by any means it deems nescessary.

that would kick up a shitstorm.

Posted by: Shoey at May 08, 2011 03:56 PM (m6OUa)

106 I kind of doubt they are bumped up in the queue
There may not be much of an actual queue, what with fans saying "Go ahead sir and thanks" and lefties fleeing the WarCock's steely gaze crying "Halliburton" with their dresses over their head. Best VP debate evah.

Posted by: Dave at May 08, 2011 04:00 PM (i+n69)

107 Presadent Obama is just trying to fix another mess that Bush created. It was Bush that supported Pakistan and helped them. Once again Presadent Obama cleaning up after that idiot Bush !!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 08, 2011 04:01 PM (rWSsG)

108 Can't help it: What happened to the whole "everyone will love us now because of me" variant of foreign policy?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 08, 2011 07:47 PM (7utQ2)

Only upside in that would be that 52% realize some countries really are asswipes, and cannot be dealt with-with unicorns hope for change crap.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2011 04:03 PM (h+qn8)

109 But in the Meantime: Surely we have a list of their homosexual ISI agents and generals and fundamentalist clerics. And their adulterers and whoremongers and pedophiles and porn addicts. Obama should deploy Alinksy's rule against our actual enemies and make them live up to their own rulebook. Meh. That's just for Republicans!

Posted by: Obama at May 08, 2011 04:04 PM (kUaEF)

110 ItÂ’s illegal to buy organs for transplant, but if you can afford it you can go to where the organs are. That is, some areas have shorter waiting lists than others.

That's part of it, I'm sure. There are consultants out there who make their living purely through helping wealthy people work the transplant system. Jobs used one to set up his state-hopping strategy.

I think there's more to it than that, though. A guy with a few hundred million can offer to buy a new wing for a hospital. Is he buying an organ? Do lobbyists buy favors from politicians with campaign contributions? Well, technically they don't. But we all know that's what's really going on.

If it was all really above board this kind of thing couldn't happen. The fact that it did, and nobody realized it at the time, says a lot about the system.

Posted by: Ace's liver at May 08, 2011 04:06 PM (QgI7g)

111 I'm sure if I suggest "Nuke Mecca" and then follow that up with a list of Islamic capitals, that would be totally be branded as RACIST.

So I guess I'm a racist.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 08, 2011 04:42 PM (u2fPF)

112 Protected in Afghanistan, Usama bin Ladin kills 3000 people, mostly American, some foreign, some Muslim.

And several Active Duty Military members in the Pentagon, including, IIRC, a general.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 08, 2011 04:43 PM (T2/zQ)

113 Why is his name all of a sudden Usama and not Osama.Is so we don't mix him up with our great military strategest?

Posted by: ziptie at May 08, 2011 04:47 PM (mObhN)

114

Obama should deploy Alinksy's rule against our actual enemies and make them live up to their own rulebook

Irony! My dear boy. Only Ace can sling it like that. He's Booooone-a-fied.

Posted by: sartana at May 08, 2011 04:51 PM (cjmIy)

115 AceÂ’s liver: yeah, I expect thereÂ’s serious corruption given how important transplants are to the people who need them. I like to say that the free market is less a philosophy than a natural law, like gravity. No law can repeal it; at best laws wield it effectively, more commonly theyÂ’re a disaster waiting for a trigger. (Follow link on name.)

Posted by: California Tower at May 08, 2011 04:52 PM (7Ahkq)

116 I am guessing OBL's computers and hard drives are going to out the ISI and their game will be up. This is a preemptive strike.

Posted by: Kemp at May 08, 2011 05:13 PM (JpFM9)

117

#122 ".......Usama and not Osama.Is so we don't mix him up with our great military strategest?"

Obama & Osama--just a difference of b.s.

Posted by: fused at May 08, 2011 05:20 PM (LawKN)

118 Ace talks as tough as Obama...another great warrior.

Posted by: Betsy K at May 08, 2011 05:35 PM (HIIpD)

119

I remember in the Summer of 2008 I became acquainted with a beautiful and intelligent professional woman who happened to share my commute on public transit. We never talked politics, but right after Obama was elected she asked me one day if I didn't feel like "we were so much safer now".

I asked her why that should be, and she looked at me as if I was a child as she patiently explained to me that the election of a black President who was not a cowboy would change everything.

I thought that being on the other side of 60 would mean that I would never have my illusions shattered again. Of course, I was wrong - I just didn't understand all they ways in which it could happen.

Posted by: sherlock at May 08, 2011 05:42 PM (thr9V)

120 Obama should deploy Alinksy's rule against our actual enemies and make them live up to their own rulebook.

Uh, Ace, you're making the assumption that Captain Zero views Pock-E-Stahn as an actual enemy. There is no evidence that he does.

Posted by: 5th Level Fighter at May 08, 2011 07:23 PM (hfWKa)

121 130 Give the Indians the H-Bomb and tell them where to aim.

Wow even the spam's getting fed up with Pakistan!

Posted by: Smash'em at May 08, 2011 07:42 PM (0fOi9)

122 128 Ace talks as tough as Obama...another great warrior.

Posted by: Betsy K at May 08, 2011 09:35 PM (HIIpD)

That was pretty gusty of you.

Posted by: YIKES! at May 08, 2011 08:25 PM (auR3B)

123 "Obama should deploy Alinksy's rule against our actual enemies and make them live up to their own rulebook." Our enemies. But not his. He won't do one damn thing to 'em.

Posted by: Dan at May 08, 2011 08:52 PM (fgAcA)

124

I love Dick Cheney, I did not know he was terminal unless he got a transplant. I hope he gets one, he is the best VP we've ever had. I have FNS on my DVR, I am going to watch now to see how he looks and what he says.

We MUST stop giving our tax $ to Pakistan. When GWB was POTUS Musharaff knew the deal, if he did not cooperate, it would be bombed to the stone age. We have to cut off all money going to them and the Palestinians. What have either done for us lately? Nothing but out our CIA agent. Kill the person that outed our CIA agent. Maybe now Obama could "couragesly" kill him. I have to think it is a "him" considering we are talking about an Islamic country. I doubt women have rights there.

Posted by: Carol at May 08, 2011 09:26 PM (bdB1C)

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