1 Well, that's democracy for you.

2 Help Who?

3 She was raped? I thought they said it was not rape, but some other, undefined sexual assault.

4 What about funding for high speed rails in Egypt for Jews?

5 I hope these fucking pigs get their ass nuked in the near future.

6 Is Tanzania about to erupt again?

UPDATE: Military confirms blast at Tanzanian military base, says injuries, fatalities are now unknown - AP http://wapo.st/fpIWOT

7 progress!

8 Wasn't there a big natural gas discovery off the coast of Israel in the last year or so?

I can't wait for Israel to be in a position to say "go ahead, make my day" to any energy boycott.

9 Not that it should be seen as less heinous, but CBS via the WSJ is saying now that she wasn't raped.

"The separation and assault lasted for roughly 20 to 30 minutes, said a person familiar with the matter, who added that it was "not a rape." A CBS News spokesman declined to comment beyond the statement."

10 Maybe they fell asleep and didn't know what they were doing? Maybe the mob was having mechanical difficulties and lost control of their actions?

11 And the one thing I'm willing to pay more federal money for is fusion power research.

It's not that we don't know how to do fusion, its that we don't know how to do it without melting the planet.  At least, in useful quantities.  I actually read somewhere recently that most scientists aren't even interested in Fusion as an energy source anymore, since it's becoming increasingly clear that the physics are against them.

Fission reactors are fine, and they would cut deeply into (though not completely eliminate) our need for oil.  Perhaps enough that (assuming we used our own oil, too) we could get all we need from countries that don't hate our guts.

12 We need to build nuclear reactors like crazy, now. But they wouldn't be online for years!

13 "The separation and assault lasted for roughly 20 to 30 minutes, said a person familiar with the matter, who added that it was "not a rape."

I'm really not feeling any difference of magnitude, here.  4+ days in the hospital, I'm really not too concerned if they did it with their fists or their dicks.

14 Jew like your body? Jew can keep it.

~ Muslim Bros in da Hood

15 "The separation and assault lasted for roughly 20 to 30 minutes, said a person familiar with the matter, who added that it was "not a rape." Ok. Was it three rapes?

16 Honestly, honestly, honestly: We need to build nuclear reactors like crazy, now. And the one thing I'm willing to pay more federal money for is fusion power research.

Research into Thorium reactors seems to be the best research avenue in the intermediate term before fusion becomes viable.

17 Honestly, honestly, honestly: We need to build nuclear reactors like crazy, now. And the one thing I'm willing to pay more federal money for is fusion power research.

With enough electrical generation, electric cars might even make sense. Batteries will need to get better too.

18 I actually read somewhere recently that most scientists aren't even interested in Fusion as an energy source anymore, since it's becoming increasingly clear that the physics are against them.

This is true for tokamaks, which are where the vast majority of funding and international effort is going, all for what no one actually believes will end up working.

There are, though, several other much more promising fusion methods being investigated, such as polywell, which would only need a tiny fraction of the tokamak spending to pretty quickly determine how useful they'd be.

19

It's unlikely that any of us will live to see fusion reactors become a major source of power.

Even if there were a breakthrough, there'd still be a big demand for petroleum for a long time afterwards.

But yeah- more nuclear reactors, more domestic production, etc.  What I'd like to see become economically feasible is coal to gasoline technology- we have shitloads of coal.

20 But, but, but....they're peaceful. The BO Administration told me so! 

Those motherfuckers should be strung up by their dicks and every woman with a stick is invited to 'fill the whole'.

21 Posted by: Waterhouse at February 16, 2011 05:19 PM (lTcL2)

This is where I take the word of someone who obviously knows more about it than I do.

22 Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin.

23
I actually read somewhere recently that most scientists aren't even interested in Fusion as an energy source anymore, since it's becoming increasingly clear that the physics are against them the real grant money is in solar, wind and unicorn fart power.




FIFY

24 I'm not clear, was she assaulted while in custody of the Army, or by the crowd in the square, or the Army incognito among the crowd in the square?

25 With enough electrical generation, electric cars might even make sense.

With enough cheap electrical generation, you can synthesize liquid fuels. Batteries, not electrical generation, are  the stumbling block with electric cars ... and pretty much a show-stopper at the moment for air transportation.

26 Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 16, 2011 05:20 PM (SY2Kh)

If gasoline is expensive enough, then that will become economically feasible.

And our need for oil will never go away (certainly not in our lifetimes), but perhaps we can limit what we import from the Middle East to just that we use for non-energy-producing petrochemical products.  That is: plastic.

27 Well ... when Egypt launches it's next attack on Israel (which is no more than 5 years away) I hope that Israel finally does the right thing and hits Egypt so hard the Egyptians never even think about attacking anyone again.

And Israel needs to hang onto the Suez, this time.  There's little more mistaken or dangerous than giving arabs back any land or assets won in wars that they start.

28 Well there you have it.  Put the kids in charge. Another a$$ kicking from the Joos in 3...2..1..

29 This reminds me of Mark Steyn hosting on Rush when he and a caller were musing over quaint arabic expressions. As in, the attacker then uttered an old arabic expression before exploding...you know, where would one find a collection of such expressions? This must be another quaint old timey arabic expression, completely secular in nature.

30 The more I hear about Lara Logan's assault, the more I feel in my gut that she was raped.  It's not like you can trust CBS to tell the truth.

31 Without oil, the whole goddam A-rab world would still be sitting around in the sand scratching their fleas. They are still just one dry hole away from that. Having money hasn't fundamentally changed them, they are still the  illiterate, nomadic camel bangers they have always been.

32 I'm with Ace.  My plan:

1. Build breeder reactors like there's no tomorrow.
2. Continue perfecting the electric car. Not pussified GM Volt electric cars, but fun, fast cars like Tesla is developing.  Electric cars don't have to be menopausemobiles.
3. Drill baby drill in ANWR to cover our diminishing fuel needs (Jet/AVgas, Diesel for locomotives and trucks, etc.)
4. Stop buying petroleum from these backward cocksuckers and watch in glee as their economies collapse.
5. Profit.

33 rape rape?

34

Well....I in fact am not a Jew, but I will gladly be counted as one in standing with them against these animals. 

Just about had all I can take from these guy's.  The restraint shown in this post is due to my relationship with God - some days are better than others so if you see me on a tirade of turrets tomorrow you will know why.

35 I haven't read the trash over on the lefty sites. Did anyone stomach to go there? What are they saying? Anything? Or are they doing the whole 'it might not have been rape/rape thing and we don't know anything at this point'?

36 Ace: "Honestly, honestly, honestly: We need to build nuclear reactors like crazy, now..."

That threw me for a loop. You went nuclear and then diverted to fusion instead of fission. You always were the peacemaker, Ace. Frankly, we already have the fission down pretty well. We might need to expedite its reuse.

37 What will they be screaming when they rape Andersen Cooper, next time he shows up with his camera crew in some middle-eastern square, all packed with those wonderful youthful demonstrators?

38

I wonder how many of these "assaults" happened during these protests that we haven't heard about.  And never will.

39 25 I'm not clear, was she assaulted while in custody of the Army, or by the crowd in the square, or the Army incognito among the crowd in the square?

The attack on Lara was done by the crowd in the square after she was separated from her camera crew.  She was hassled by Egyptian soldiers, but they weren't the ones who assaulted her. 

Her injuries were classified as "serious".  I wish these bastards could be hunted down, beaten up, and deprived of their manhood.  Only animals would do that to a woman. 

40

If gasoline is expensive enough, then that will become economically feasible.

Yeah, but I'd like to see it feasible compared to $3 / gallon gas instead of $5 / gallon gasoline. 

I don't know if better research could bring the costs down substantially, but it's worth looking into.

41 When the topic of nukes comes up, I wait for Vic to bring the knowledge.

42 We should just nuke the region and sew salt so nothing ever grows there again.

43 Something to note. Egypt has a huge amount of land that is basically uninhabitable because it still has not been cleared of land mines planted by Erwin Rommel's troops as they retreated. The Devil's gardens remain to this day. How's that 7th century crap working out for you Egypt?

44

Because the day we discover sustainable net-positive-energy fusion, we can drill for our own oil, I will call the Day of Mighty Lulz as I laugh at the backward-ass Arab world about to learn a thing or too about having to work for money.

FIFY

45 I haven't read the trash over on the lefty sites. Did anyone stomach to go there? What are they saying? Anything? Or are they doing the whole 'it might not have been rape/rape thing and we don't know anything at this point'? Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 16, 2011 05:25 PM (pLTLS) It's really none of our business if she was raped or not. She was treated like no woman should ever be treated. Period.

46 Thorium reactor research.. thats all I'm saying.

47 I would be willing to bet St Pancake pulled her share of Pali trains, but true to the leftard cause, said nothing about it.

48 The attack on Lara was done by the crowd in the square after she was separated from her camera crew.  She was hassled by Egyptian soldiers, but they weren't the ones who assaulted her. 

Her injuries were classified as "serious".  I wish these bastards could be hunted down, beaten up, and deprived of their manhood.  Only animals would do that to a woman. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 16, 2011 05:27 PM (cr3AA)

I thought she was rescued by a woman's group and the Egyptian Army?

49 Because the day we discover sustainable net-positive-energy fusion I will call the Day of Mighty Lulz as I laugh at the backward-ass Arab world about to learn a thing or too about having to work for money.
I worked in nuclear power for 25 years, a good friend, a nuclear engineer, stated that for the price of a new nuclear power carrier, controlled fusion reactors could be obtained. I'm still waiting, but it will come sooner if and when gas sells for $5/gallon. "From every adversity, comes with it the seed of an equivalent or greater benefit". Napoleon Hill

50 Damn Sock!

51 It's worth noting that if electricity is cheap enough (via nuclear fission, preferably fueled by thorium) octane can be synthesized directly from air.  Los Alamos National Labs did a study on it, and came up with a $4.60/gal gasoline equivalent at something like $0.17/KWh.  I'd pay that if it meant Iran/Venezuela/The House of Saud were suddenly just sitting on dirty soil.

52 When you are a liberal, your worldview is that the West got rich through the exploitation and theft from the third-world. To try to argue that we should expand our domestic energy production as a way to cut off funds to the third-world shitholes is to try to convince them that we did not exploit and steal from the third-world and shouldn't pay them back.

In other words, not a chance in hell.

53 --Without oil, the whole goddam A-rab world would still be sitting around in the sand scratching their fleas.

Even with oil, without Westerners building the wells and drilling infrastructure (that the arabs and personas stole in the forced nationalization waves of the mid 20th century) and helping to maintain the fields, the arabs would have nothing.

--They are still just one dry hole away from that. Having money hasn't fundamentally changed them, they are still the  illiterate, nomadic camel bangers they have always been.

Posted by: maddogg at February 16, 2011 05:25 PM (OlN4e)

We can't wait for that.  All threats from the arab/persian/muslim world start and stop with control of the gulf oil fields.  Without that control, the arabs/persians/muslims have nothing and they are effectively defanged.  But we're too stupid to even be able to talk about this.  The asshole libs scream "no blood for oil" when oil is the lifeblood of the modern world, which doesn't include the arab/persian/muslim world, and the right is generally too scared to push back.

The trillions in free petro-dollars that have flowed into the APM world have contributed to nothing but destabilization, threats to everyone else in the world and mile high skyscrapers built in the desert and sinking man-made disaster islands built in the gulf.  They've had their chance with the fields and the power they've derived from them and they've been nothing but destructive to modern civilization.

54 Lie back and think of the Syndicate.

55 I thought she was rescued by a woman's group and the Egyptian Army?

That she was.  From the story, it seems that she was hassled by a group of Egyptian soldiers the day before she was assaulted.  I think they probably did that because she was a foreign journalist, not because she was thought of as a "Jewish" woman. 

56 Just goes to show what these wonderful, peaceful, yoots in Egypt and the rest of the Arab world would do if they ever invaded Israel and won. Which by the way will never happen.

57

All this talk of new technology overlooks one important fact: we already have as much oil sitting under America as the Mid-East does.

We just can't get to it because we're idiots.

58 Fuck the arab world.  With Al-Gore's dick.

59 Ah, the blooming of a thousand Kristallnachten

60 Fusion is "solar" for the tech set.
Give up on fusion, ... leave it to the robots to figure out after the singularity.

We need next gen fission. breeder, thorium, et al. 

61

Honestly, honestly, honestly: We need to build nuclear reactors like crazy, now. And the one thing I'm willing to pay more federal money for is fusion power research.

Posted by: Ace at 05:07 PM 

Yes, where is the nonexistant oil pipelines from where Americas supply of crude oil in Oklahoma to Gulf Coast refineries that can supply 1/2 of the daily USA consumption of gasoline? 

Where is the Offshore and new domestic drilling of Oil & mining of Coal,  Shale fracturizing production of Natural Gas, BANNED by Politics?

Where are the 7  new Coal powered electricity generating power plants in Texas, shut down by EPA, that would soon if not by now, could be in full production mode if not for Politics? 

62

we already have as much oil sitting under America as the Mid-East does.We just can't get to it because we're idiots.

It's millions of degrees down there!  

Think of the Polar Bears and their Ice Packs...we can't unleash that type of Warming!!

63

Just goes to show what these wonderful, peaceful, yoots in Egypt and the rest of the Arab world would do if they ever invaded Israel and won. Which by the way will never happen.

It's pretty hard to assault women after being vaporized.

I don't know what it would take for Israel to use it's nukes (and I hope we never have to find out), but given that they're believed to have around 200 of them, there wouldn't be much left of an enemy country if they decided to use them.

64 With enough electrical generation, electric cars might even make sense. Batteries will need to get better too.


Sorry, but electric cars will never make sense.  Have you seen what it takes to MAKE the batteries in those things?  Why the whole concept of 'green' applying to massive batteries that much more laughable.

65 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 16, 2011 05:33 PM (b6qrg)

That's true.  And we should get to it.  But I'm all for nuclear reactors, too.  Also coal.  And natural gas.  I like solar panels and/or small turbines for private homes/buildings (I'd get some for my house if I could afford them.  One thing we've got in North Central Texas is sunshine).  Don't forget hydro-electric and geo-thermal, were viable.

In fact, I could shorten that list to: Ignore wind and solar for anything medium to large scale, and we're already using corn and sugar for other things, so forget ethanol.  We should be using the rest.

66

Because the day we discover sustainable net-positive-energy fusion I will call the Day of Mighty Lulz as I laugh at the backward-ass Arab world about to learn a thing or too about having to work for money.

You think oil is the most important thing we get from the middle east? They bring us diversity. Gotta respect that.

67 There are a number of ways to sexually assault a female than actual penetration of the sort we are thinking about.  It horrifies me as to what they did to her in those 20 to 30 minutes.  I want to torture and mutilate those evil fuckers.

68 Newly single man desires romantic hook up with lady. He is a big fan of Joe and likes to travel  http://tinyurl.com/47jnb5j

69 It was the JOOOOOOOSSS!!

70 I'm cereal!

71 With the exception of the Copts, I feel no pity for the Egyptian people and all their recent "plights" (as reported by the MBM). They are savages.

72 We need to build nuclear reactors like crazy, now.

We should be disturbing the mosquitos up at ANWR, and encroaching on the Chinese and Russian oil rigs in the Gulf, too, since electric cars suck.

73 #64 I don't know what it would take for Israel to use it's nukes (and I hope we never have to find out), but given that they're believed to have around 200 of them, there wouldn't be much left of an enemy country if they decided to use them.

The Samson option?  Israel would have to be looking at their absolute destruction before they considered launching their nuke arsenal. 

The problem with the Samson option is that MAD doesn't apply to fanatics such as Ahmedinejad.  He and his ilk seriously believe that they are living in the "last days" and that their duty is to sow chaos and discord (culminating with the destruction of Israel) in order to bring back the Mahdi.  In this cast, destruction isn't a deterrent - its an inducement.  

Either Ahmedinejad or the current Ayatollah told their people that if Israel struck Iran after an attack on Israel, Israel would be destroyed, while the World of Islam would still remain. 

74 There is also a myth being pushed, the US really doesn't get hardly any oil from the middle east. Most of ours comes from Canada and Mexico, and should come from out own exploration.. but that isn't going to happen. It just sucks that the prices are all connected so when a jihadist farts in Egypt its a great excuse to speculate on the market price. 

75 As far as the nuclear power thing, during the presidential campaign, McCain promoted the idea of nuclear power, siting France which safely gets 80% of its power from nuclear. Obama, wanting to be all things to all voters, paid lip service to nuclear power. During a primary debate: 'Obama went next. "I actually think we should explore nuclear power as part of the mix," he said, before pivoting to solar energy, a much safer topic.' Yup, half-assed as usual. That'll be a "Present" vote on nuclear energy.

76 ugh, a correction:

Either Ahmedinejad or the current Ayatollah told their people that if Israel struck Iran after an attack on Israel, Israel would still be destroyed, while the World of Islam would still remain. 

77 Speaking of Jimmah "Muslim 'hood nothing to be afraid of'" (http://tinyurl.com/6x6pm4p)

78 Sorry, but electric cars will never make sense. 
Posted by: © Sponge

Umm ... <cough>

79 Posted by: Drew in Mo at February 16, 2011 05:42 PM (ltqwL)

Also: OPEC.

80

She was rescued by a female shark with GPS...that's what the crowd was chanting at. 

 Do you really think there are GPS equipped sharks that aren't Zionist Agents?

I suppose you believe that the Zionists aren't working hand in hand with the Squirrels and Vultures as well?

 

81 Glen beck is on saying that the Ayatollah in iran says he has met the 12th imam.

Also,  that there is a convention of islamic scholars,  both Shia and Sunni,  gathering there.

I am officially creeped out.

82 65 With enough electrical generation, electric cars might even make sense. Batteries will need to get better too.


Sorry, but electric cars will never make sense.  Have you seen what it takes to MAKE the batteries in those things?  Why the whole concept of 'green' applying to massive batteries that much more laughable.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 16, 2011 05:37 PM (UK9cE)

That's not why it will never make sense.  How long does it take to fill up your car when its empty?  5 minutes if the pump is running slow?  How long will an electric car need?   Something like 4 hours wasn't it?  And that just to have 40 miles of travel?  That's garbage and no one with sense will take that.

83 Posted by: Golf courses everywhere at February 16, 2011 05:44 PM (S59+B)

You were saying?

84 Also, that there is a convention of islamic scholars, both Shia and Sunni, gathering there. I am officially creeped out. Posted by: Miss Marple at February 16, 2011 05:44 PM (Fo83G) Not me, I'm looking for targeting data

85 God,  I am so ready for Armageddon.

86 Posted by: Golf courses everywhere

Exactly. They're toys for the rich (who have a second vehicle in the garage for when they need to go more than 40 miles).

*beats sock like a rented red-haired step-mule*

87  The problem with the Samson option is that MAD doesn't apply to fanatics such as Ahmedinejad.

Israel is of no concern to me...it's Gadget I'm after.

88 Just goes to show what these wonderful, peaceful, yoots in Egypt and the rest of the Arab world would do if they ever invaded Israel and won. Which by the way will never happen.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 16, 2011 05:33 PM (7wmOW)

Actually, it's almost happened twice, already.  In '48 and in '73.  If Israel keeps giving them the chance, then just by Bernoulli trials, they'll eventually succeed.

89

 We should be using the rest.

This. There is no need to go through the wait and expense of new technology when we already have a system in place to rid ourselves of foreign oil within a few years. The money made and kept here in America would be a great boon to the country, not to mention the tax revenue that would come along with it.

The only question is, what will it take before we finally put our collective feet down and start yanking these stupid hippies out of their EPA offices and start getting down to the real work that needs to be done to rid us of foreign oil? $5/gal? $10/gal?

Why even let it get that high? Remember how the price of crude went down when Bush announced he'd lift drilling restrictions a few years back? Jugears doesn't have the sense to even do that. He'd rather have his illegal drilling moratorium. How long are we going to put up with this unecessary bullshit?

90 God, I am so ready for Armageddon. Posted by: Dang at February 16, 2011 05:45 PM (TXKVh) Me too. But all them Banks I owe money to will be pissed

91 Umm ... <cough>

Posted by: Golf courses everywhere at February 16, 2011 05:44 PM (S59+B)

How can you compare golf carts to cars?  and 1/2 of the electric carts are gas powered.  I've got a cousin with an electric GC and it just cost him $1000 to replace the batteries after 2 years.

92 The bitch was asking for it.

93 Posted by: I-45 Between Dallas and Houston at February 16, 2011 05:45 PM (8y9MW)

Now THAT'S funny.

94 if Israel struck Iran after an attack on Israel, Israel would still be destroyed, while the World of Islam would still remain.

I'm of the belief that if Israel is facing obliteration, they will vaporize Mecca before it happens.

95 in '73. If Israel keeps giving them the chance, then just by Bernoulli trials, they'll eventually succeed. Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 16, 2011 05:46 PM (N49h9) Not really in 73. I am not saying things didn't get dicy, especially on the Golan Heights where there was no real strategic depth. And there are those rumors that Israel did have some nukes in the bullpen then.

96 Good thing they got Lara out of there. No telling how they'd punish her for being sexually assaulted. Whipping, stoning.

97 Maybe Sohail Mohammed will take the case .... ?

98

The problem with the Samson option is that MAD doesn't apply to fanatics such as Ahmedinejad.  He and his ilk seriously believe that they are living in the "last days" and that their duty is to sow chaos and discord (culminating with the destruction of Israel) in order to bring back the Mahdi.  In this cast, destruction isn't a deterrent - its an inducement.

Wouldn't that imply that since deterrence is useful, and waiting for an attack just guarantees massive harm before retaliation, Israel would be justified in a pre-emptive strike to neutralize Iran now?  (Yeah, I know, not with Obutthole to stick a knife in them.  But still...)

99 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 16, 2011 05:47 PM (b6qrg)

It's not even really the EPA.  Well, not exclusively.  Some moron (not the good kind) in Congress managed to pass a piece of legislation many moons ago giving environmental activist groups standing to sue to prevent the construction of just about anything.

So even if a new power plant gets all the correct sign-off, Green Peace or some similar outfit can prevent it from ever happening just by suing and tying it up in court for an additional 10 -20 years.

100 I'm of the belief that if Israel is facing obliteration, they will vaporize Mecca before it happens. Posted by: nickless at February 16, 2011 05:49 PM (MMC8r) =================== Dude...... they'd go balls to the wall.

101 I'm really not feeling any difference of magnitude, here.  4+ days in the hospital, I'm really not too concerned if they did it with their fists or their dicks.

Posted by: nickless at February 16, 2011 05:16 PM (MMC8r)

Ms. Logan might be.  The former, while horrible, will probably mean that she doesn't have to worry about an STD...or being pregnant.

102 Sorry, but electric cars will never make sense.

They said that about fm radio, television, alternating current, etc. You are limiting yourself by what you currently know. What if the electrolyte were to be consumed in a fuel cell? 

The question is "how to make the brawndo". For this you will need lots of electricity, hence the requirement for generation capacity that does not currently exist.

Just speculating, but this is the technological research that needs to be funded.

103 It's not like it was rape rape, you know.  These were followers of the religion of peace, so she must have been a willing participant....yeah, maybe She was doing the raping...Yeah, that's it!

104 I agree. We should try to become as energy independent as possible NOW. If we really unleashed our potential in that regard, all those lost jobs would come back to us in a new revitalized energy sector. It helps national security as well. More money kept in America as opposed to sending it overseas.

105

It's really none of our business if she was raped or not.

Well this is  a point I made earlier. But that won't stop leftist trash from trying to minimize it in any way they can.

106 The freedom fighters! Patriotic seekers of democracy! They are practically Paul Revere.

107 "Fuck the arab world. With Al-Gore's dick." Are you sure he has one?

108 God only knows what we would have by now if the freakin government got out of the way. Fusion powered cars that ran forever on a capsule the size of a pea perhaps. Seriously, We are so behind. There is so much potential still in America. The things that could be created and thought up if only our government actually encouraged invention and risk taking. It makes me sick when I think of the construction and innovation coming out of freaking China of all places! China! 10 stinking years have passed and we still have nothing at ground zero., and yet it took only 1 year and 45 days to raise the Empire State building back in the 30's or whenever. Back in the stone age. It has taken longer than that to build a bridge across our river here in town.

109 Posted by: © Sponge at February 16, 2011 05:49 PM (UK9cE)

And the reason that, at least in Texas, electric cars will never be feasible.  Even the so-called "quick charge" stations take 30 minutes.  That drive is already 5 hours or so.  How would like to add 4 more to that?

110 There are crazy mean people everywhere, although I admit there seems to be more of them over there.

We can just blame the Islamists for this attitude, but Mubarak has been feeding this anti Semitism for years. After all, it was the Egyptian government that put out the crazy story that Mossad was behind the shark attacks. He was playing both ends against the middle and look where it got us. He wanted the population to blame the Jews for their troubles instead of him and he wanted the west to keep giving him cash so that he would honor the Camp David Accords.

I wonder however, if it was just a bunch of thugs who went after Logan, or if it was someone from the regime. After all, the Mubarak regime was accused of using rape as a means to intimidate dissidents for years.

It was probably just a mob, but I did hear that in that last day a large group of people who had not been there before entered the square and started raising hell.

111 With enough electrical generation, electric cars might even make sense. Batteries will need to get better too.

Better yet: fuel cells.  Insty had something up this morning about some new nanotech concoction that makes them much better, and the handy part is they can swap in instead of batteries as the power source in something like a Tesla.  (My interest in "electric cars" isn't the environment, it's the "100% of torque available at 0 RPM" part).

112 OT:  looks like Steve Jobs has about 2 months to live.  If you're long in Apple, it's time to sell.

113 We can just blame the Islamists for this attitude, but Mubarak has been feeding this anti Semitism for years. ------ Are you kidding? Blaming Jews is a core tenant of Islam.

114 Honestly, honestly, honestly: We need to build nuclear reactors like crazy, now.

What worries me about this is we no longer have the facilities in this country to build the pressure vessels and upper and lower heads. It takes a specialized facility to make these huge castings and our last one shut down some years ago.

We do have a few utilities in the Southeast who have announced the intent to build new Nuke plants, but from what I understand they have announced delays. That is probably based on the slow economy which is holding back energy demand. Unlike most of the rest of the country the SE is not to far below demand on generation.

The NE and the West are the ones who are really in trouble right now. 

115

THE CANS! THEY HATE THE CANS!

116 Posted by: sTevo at February 16, 2011 05:50 PM (VMcEw)

Perhaps, but it's technological research that needs to be funded by GE (okay, not GE in light of current circumstances), or Exxon/Mobile, or the other energy companies.  It doesn't need one penny of my tax dollars.

117 I will call the Day of Mighty Lulz when we have a new President who merely announces two things: Yes to our own oil industry, and Yes to our nuclear industry. That's all he has to do to crash oil prices. Maybe there's an easier way- tell the EPA to go pound Arabian sand.

118

 Some moron (not the good kind) in Congress managed to pass a piece of legislation many moons ago giving environmental activist groups standing to sue to prevent the construction of just about anything.

Then the anwer is simple - repeal that law(s) ASAP. No excuses, no whining, no bullshit.

Just do it.

119 Washington Post just tweeted that Obama called Logan.

I am even MORE creeped out.  And my personal opinion is that they are downplaying what happened to her in order to save the narrative for The Won.

120 And there are those rumors that Israel did have some nukes in the bullpen then.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 16, 2011 05:49 PM (7wmOW)

I'll tell you, no arabs believe that Israel would ever nuke anyone.  Israel has never even attacked an enemy capital during a major war - except for Beirut, but everyone was bombing the shit out of Beirut at the time, so that doesn't count.

Israel has never gone after enemy populations, and with the arabs, if you don't make the population pay, then they just lose, reconstitute and launch new attacks every ten years.  Israel has had to fight the same basic war every decade.  And that will keep happening until Israel loses.  But no arab population is scared of Israel.  none of them has ever suffered because their armies or terrorists have attacked Israel.

121 #99 Wouldn't that imply that since deterrence is useful, and waiting for an attack just guarantees massive harm before retaliation, Israel would be justified in a pre-emptive strike to neutralize Iran now?  (Yeah, I know, not with Obutthole to stick a knife in them.  But still...)

Yes, yes, and yes.  What the Israelis should do is shut down all of Iran's missile and nuclear programs, with or without help, and no matter the cost.  Because once people like Ahmedinejad have nukes...

He won't stop with Israel either.  They're just the "Little Satan" - we're the "Big Satan", the Satanic nation that tries to tempt pious Muslims into turning from Allah. 

And EMP burst in the American heartland would literally mean the end of America as we know it. 

122 Fission reactors are fine, and they would cut deeply into (though not completely eliminate) our need for oil.  Perhaps enough that (assuming we used our own oil, too) we could get all we need from countries that don't hate our guts.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 16, 2011 05:15 PM (8y9MW)

 

Remember.  We have almost a limitless supply of coal, and natural gas up the ying yang.  But even besides that, we have enough domestic oil reserves that are "known" now to last us for a very very long time.  (if we could only drill for it.  Hmmmm.) 

123

Honestly, honestly, honestly: We need to build nuclear reactors like crazy, now. And the one thing I'm willing to pay more federal money for is fusion power research.

Because the day we discover sustainable net-positive-energy fusion I will call the Day of Mighty Lulz as I laugh at the backward-ass Arab world about to learn a thing or too about having to work for money.

Wow!
Neato.
The US has more fossil fuel reserves than any other country in the world.
To bad it's all tied up in coal.
And coal makes Gaia cry. Because it makes her hot or something.
So we can't use any of it.
Ever.
Some nice man with at least two chakras said so.
And a bunch of his friends agree with him.
So it must be so.
Because they wouldn't hurt our energy independence and economy and cause world strife and hunger deliberately....
Would they?

124 Because the day we discover sustainable net-positive-energy fusion I will call the Day of Mighty Lulz as I laugh at the backward-ass Arab world about to learn a thing or too about having to work for money.

Amen brother.

And if Iran is still making trouble on that day, we can turn it into glass.  On that day.  The world's most patriotic paper weight.

125 >>>usion is "solar" for the tech set. Give up on fusion, ... leave it to the robots to figure out after the singularity. We need next gen fission. breeder, thorium, et al. You're probably right, I keep reading about these mini-reactors, I think they're thorium reactors. Pebble bed? Is that the tech? Supposedly pretty harmless and pretty foolproof.* * For some values of fool.

126

It was probably just a mob, but I did hear that in that last day a large group of people who had not been there before entered the square and started raising hell.

I heard that our President is a super sekrit muslim who was born in Kenya and that the Saudi King considers him to be the best 'Dancing Boy' he's ever known. 

Should I believe that, too?

 

127 What worries me about this is we no longer have the facilities in this country to build the pressure vessels and upper and lower heads. It takes a specialized facility to make these huge castings and our last one shut down some years ago.

Shut down why? no demand. Create a demand and the foundry will reopen.

128

How can you compare golf carts to cars?  and 1/2 of the electric carts are gas powered.  I've got a cousin with an electric GC and it just cost him $1000 to replace the batteries after 2 years.

Posted by: © Sponge

You wrote 'never.' That word has a specific meaning.

Hyperbole and overreaching superlatives don't strengthen an argument. 

129 I told you Lara Logan was partly responsible for me being fired!

130

Of course, the idealistic youths of Egypt have terrific ideas along these lines.

Honestly, honestly, honestly: We need to build nuclear reactors like crazy, now. And the one thing I'm willing to pay more federal money for is fusion power research.

We do need to be building reactors and drilling in Alaska and off the coasts and everything else. No doubt about it...but I don't think it is fair to assume that all the youths of Egypt, idealistic or otherwise are responsible for this. Stuff like this happens all the time all over the world. Serbs raped somewhere between 20,000 and 50,000 Muslims in Bosnia. The UN workers were caught trading food for sex with children in Africa. And it is not as if women don't get raped right here. Of course the Arab culture does have a more backward view of women, but still it should be remembered that it was Egyptians who came to her rescue, Logan's crew was nowhere to be found.

131 Posted by: Soona at February 16, 2011 05:56 PM (SkKwX)

True.  The point (as I'm seeing a lot of people agree) is that the only thing preventing us from being energy independent THIS DECADE is the Federal Government.

132 I doubt seriously most of those goat fuckers even know where a woman's vagina is. 

I hope she recovers quickly and gets to reporting on what douche tools these bastards are.

And in light of the Iranian ships heading through the Suez tonight, I hope the Israelis are locked and loaded.

133 I was wrong - maybe the protesters are liberal democrats.

134

OT but this is lovely.

It should be in Monty's education thread but no one will see it.

135 I wondered why no details of the attack were coming out.  Thank you ace.

136 Hey ace, if you're reading this why on earth did you ever unban that despicable scum that currently goes by Brian?

137 This wouldn't have happened if we just had a Cosby-type show about loving, happy Muslim families.

138 120 Washington Post just tweeted that Obama called Logan.

I am even MORE creeped out.  And my personal opinion is that they are downplaying what happened to her in order to save the narrative for The Won.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 16, 2011 05:55 PM (Fo83G)

I doubt that. She is a reporter, she would not pass up a chance to tell a story like this.

139 Israel has never gone after enemy populations, Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 16, 2011 05:55 PM (N49h9) Yes, However, the Arabs have never successfully caused mass casualties in an Israeli population center yet either ( not that they haven't tried ). If Israel absorbed significant mass casualties I am sure they would respond appropriately.

140 "Washington Post just tweeted that Obama called Logan." Never let a sexual assault go to waste. Surprise he isn't going for a photo op. Or a memorial speech complete with t shirts and laughing afterwards.

141 Posted by: Terrye at February 16, 2011 05:58 PM (Pr8hY)

It should also be remembered that, here in America, we reacted to each of those stories with horror, too.  Also that we try to capture, convict, and imprison our own rapists and encourage other countries to do the same.

The fact is that more evidence comes out virtually every day that we should be doing everything we can to completely marginalize every ME country outside of Israel.  The primary way to do that is to become energy independent.

142 If we want Fusion, or Nukes or anything like that we need to unleash the private sector. Odds on Obama doing that, are well, you know.

143 What I don't understand is how western women travel to these countries where they are treated like garbage and feel safe enough to be in riotous crowds filled with Arab men?  I'm not saying she is at fault at all but who are her bosses that thought this was a good idea?  The simple fact is the world is a very dangerous place and much more dangerous for women in many parts of the world. 

144 113. Am surprised Steve was able to hang on for so long. It's amazing, actually. He has a nasty cancer, quite deadly.

145 So typical liberal=typical Egyptian. Got it.

Honestly, honestly, honestly: We need to build nuclear reactors like crazy, now. And the one thing I'm willing to pay more federal money for is fusion power research.

This + eleventy

146 144. Steve, I felt unsafe in ITALY, lots of times. American women are inane. They don't see what's in front of their faces sometimes. Multiculti indoctrination - they somehow think foreign men are cute and harmless. They are so not (unless they're English, of course)

147 You're probably right, I keep reading about these mini-reactors, I think they're thorium reactors. Pebble bed? Is that the tech? Supposedly pretty harmless and pretty foolproof.*

I did a little research on these the other night when someone asked about it. There is one company that is the major push behind these so-called modular reactors.

They have some advantages, some disadvantages, and a whole heaping pile of unknowns. The actual reactor part is not much different than today's PWR units. It is the design of the Steam Generators and the pressure vessel that are the most different. They did this to make refueling simpler and to be able to eliminate some of the secondary systems for expense.

However, most of their cost savings is contingent on the NRC allowing licensing of one unit to count for licensing of the other units and for a utility to build mutiple units on a single site.

These are things that the government has not been willing to do in the past.

Pebble beds are not new, but they have never caught on this country. There is probably a reason for that.

148 137 Hey ace, if you're reading this why on earth did you ever unban that despicable scum that currently goes by Brian?

Posted by: buzzion at February 16, 2011 06:01 PM (oVQFe)

--Yeah, throw him into the outer darkness with sexy shoes.

149 I just kinda skimmed the comments, but I have to respond to this:

And the one thing I'm willing to pay more federal money for is fusion power research.

No no no no no.  The National Ignition Facility is a colossal waste of money.  They've been working on it for 30+ years and have next to nothing to show for it.  In some abstract theoretical sense I agree with you, but please don't give any more money to the fusion goobers who are now "working" on it.

150 Well done, CBS. 

Imagine sending your 13 year old daughter into a country populated by Roman Polanskis.  I hope Lara negotiated hazard pay into her contract has a good lawyer.

151 I can't wait for the utopia that will be created by these young, liberal, educated Egyptian protestors.

152

What I don't understand is how western women travel to these countries where they are treated like garbage and feel safe enough to be in riotous crowds filled with Arab men? 

Probably for the same reason they walk alone at night in sketchy places here wearing headphones.

Poor risk assessment.

153 Shut down why? no demand. Create a demand and the foundry will reopen.

Posted by: sTevo at February 16, 2011 05:57 PM (VMcEw)

Yes, but when you have to build the infrastructure to build the component it takes a hell of a lot longer.

154 Posted by: chemjeff at February 16, 2011 06:06 PM (czcue)

I was mostly letting that part go, but you're right.  The Federal Government doesn't need to spend another dime on this.  If they'd get out of the way, we'd have more efficient nuclear reactors pretty quickly, I'd bet.

155

It was probably just a mob, but I did hear that in that last day a large group of people who had not been there before entered the square and started raising hell.

I heard that our President is a super sekrit muslim who was born in Kenya and that the Saudi King considers him to be the best 'Dancing Boy' he's ever known. 

Should I believe that, too?

 

Posted by: garrett at February 16, 2011 05:57 PM (YeD/k)

Why is that hard to believe? The crowds got larger and more out of control and hostile as time went on. It is quite possible that thugs whose only intention was to cause trouble and hurt people came on the scene just so they do something like this. After all in the first days when the reporters were hurt, the people doing the damage were thought to be the Mubarak people. In fact Greg Palkot said that men who beat him and his camera man up were from the government. I am just saying that we don't know who did this. We do know that the Mubarak regime had used rape in the past to intimidate people. Or it might have been the Muslim Brotherhood. I don't pretend to know. I just don't think everyone out there should be blamed for this. There are bad people everywhere.

156 Posted by: Vic at February 16, 2011 06:06 PM (M9Ie6)

Only the first couple of times.  Then the infrastructure is back in place, and we can go gangbusters on the nuclear plants.

157  Ayatollah in iran says he has met the 12th imam.

Horsehockey.

158

"Hutchs Home Reactor Fueling Service". "You won't glow, unless we go!"

 Investers needed. Send the money to Ace. I trust him to hold/invest it properly!

159

That's not why it will never make sense.  How long does it take to fill up your car when its empty?  5 minutes if the pump is running slow?  How long will an electric car need?   Something like 4 hours wasn't it?  And that just to have 40 miles of travel?  That's garbage and no one with sense will take that.

Posted by: buzzion at February 16, 2011 05:44 PM (oVQFe)

There are fundamental laws of physics that make primary electric vehicles to be of very limited utility.  But that never stopped a liberal arts major.

160 138 This wouldn't have happened if we just had a Cosby-type show about loving, happy Muslim families.

Posted by: Katie Couric at February 16, 2011 06:01 PM (UOM4

Maybe 6 year old Rudy can marry a 57 year old man!

161 The Federal Government doesn't need to spend another dime on this.  If they'd get out of the way, we'd have more efficient nuclear reactors pretty quickly, I'd bet.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 16, 2011 06:07 PM (8y9MW)

Bingo! 

Most of the outrageous costs and time overruns of nuke power plants (back when we used to build them) were just government restrictions, changing regulations every other day, allowing crap lawsuits to stop them ...  Meanwhile our nuclear navy hasn't had a problem, and people live right on top of those reactors.

And open up drilling, allow coal plants and LNG.  That would about do it, and do it fast.

But Toonces and his America-haters are still pushing global warming crap, even after the whole con has gone bust.

162 Yes, but when you have to build the infrastructure to build the component it takes a hell of a lot longer.

Has it been closed so long we've lost the tech?  That does happen. 

My understanding is that if we decided to build a Saturn V rocket, even though we have the blueprints and know that it works, it would take almost as long as the first time, since we no longer have the experienced labor.

163

Maybe 6 year old Rudy can marry a 57 year old man!

Posted by: baldilocks at February 16, 2011 06:10 PM (T2/zQ)

I Lol'd!!!

164 Then the infrastructure is back in place, and we can go gangbusters on the nuclear plants.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 16, 2011 06:08 PM (8y9MW)

Well I did say "it worries me". I didn't say it wasn't possible. After all we built them the first time. Of course when we built them the first time there were far less regulations in place.

165 158  Ayatollah in iran says he has met the 12th imam.

Are you serious?  Do you have a link?

I didn't know Ali Khamenei was a 12th-er.  Ahmedinejad is definitely a 12th-er, but if even the Supreme Leader of Iran is claiming he actually met him...

Then God help us all, because it says that the 12th-ers have virtually all the reigns of the Iranian government.

166 Government "oversite" struggling to keep up with N Dakota oil boom

167 152 I can't wait for the utopia that will be created by these young, liberal, educated Egyptian protestors.

Posted by: Paper at February 16, 2011 06:06 PM (VoSja)

As compared to what? Mubarak ran that country for decades and they had food shortages, no freedom of speech, or press or the right to elections. They lived under virtual martial law while a corrupt class of self serving politicians fleeced the country and terrorized the populace. Mubarak was 82 years old. Exactly what did people think was going to happen? Did they think this would go on forever? I have no idea what will happen in Egypt or what kind of government they will come up with, but it just amazes me that people seem to think  that Mubarak was such a deal for us. Look at Egypt today, that is his legacy.

168 Fuel Cell in a car.

This sounds like a better idea than batteries.

169

We do know that the Mubarak regime had used rape in the past to intimidate people. Or it might have been the Muslim Brotherhood. I don't pretend to know. I just don't think everyone out there should be blamed for this. There are bad people everywhere.

Yet you keep pointing fingers at the void and assigning speculative blame to different groups...and ending with a tautological imperative about nature of humanity.

I blame a culture that doesn't understand that there was a crime perpetrated here.

 

170 Years ago when D'oh and I were dating, we vacationed in the Virgin Islands.  We drove to a beach with another couple to hang out.  A young, teenaged local boy approached us and the guys loaned him a snorkel.  I was snorkeling up the beach when I suddenly felt someone grab me on my crotch.  I spun around, figuring it was D'oh.  It was the kid!  I started slapping him, and swimming away.  He followed me all the way back to the beach, continuing to try to grab my breasts, etc.  He threw down the snorkel, and ran off.

D'oh at first thought I was "exaggerating" because the kid was a young teen.  I was so upset he finally believed me.

And don't get me started on sitting alone at a small cafe in Pisa, Italy, while D'oh went to the men's room, and having a guy try to sell me a "Rolex" watch, and then grab my boob.

Bastards.

171 4 She was raped? I thought they said it was not rape, but some other, undefined sexual assault. Posted by: Grey Fox at February 16, 2011 05:11 PM (7YOSb) ----------------------------------------- I think certain interests are trying to make it look like a full on gang rape, which I don't think it was. Probably more like a grope-fest. As far as being called "jew".....the Iraqis would refer to American soldiers as "jews" early in Operation ICan'tRememberCuzItKeepsChanging. I just think there is a lot of.......disinformation.......going on right now. Purposely so.

172 As compared to what? Mubarak ran that country for decades and they had food shortages, no freedom of speech, or press or the right to elections. They lived under virtual martial law while a corrupt class of self serving politicians fleeced the country and terrorized the populace. Mubarak was 82 years old. Exactly what did people think was going to happen? Did they think this would go on forever? I have no idea what will happen in Egypt or what kind of government they will come up with, but it just amazes me that people seem to think that Mubarak was such a deal for us. Look at Egypt today, that is his legacy. Posted by: Terrye at February 16, 2011 06:14 PM (Pr8hY) Yes, but all those other Arab Muslim countries over there are any better? Or most are worse I'd say. So lets compare Apples to Apples and not to diamonds

173 Then God help us all, because it says that the 12th-ers have virtually all the reigns of the Iranian government.

And nuclear weapons that will be a complete surprise to our intelligence community.  And media.  And the friend of mine who insisted in an argument in 2008 that "We are not at war with Islam, we have never been at war with Islam, and we will never be at war with Islam."

174 OT:  Cool!

In an historic vote in the Idaho House of Representatives, the Federal Health Care Nullification Act (originally authored by the Tenth Amendment Center) passed by a vote of 49-20.

House Bill 117 states:

"The state of Idaho hereby exercises its sovereign power to declare the public policy of the state of Idaho regarding the right of all persons residing in the state of Idaho in choosing the mode of securing health care services free from the imposition of penalties, or the threat thereof, by the federal government of the United States of America relating thereto" 

The principle behind such legislation is nullification, which has a long history in the American tradition. When a state ‘nullifies’ a federal law, it is proclaiming that the law in question is void and inoperative, or ‘non-effective,’ within the boundaries of that state; or, in other words, not a law as far as the state is concerned.

http://tinyurl.com/49so5rn

175

 Ayatollah in iran says he has met the 12th imam.

He was jammin' w/Elvis and Hendrix! 12th iman plays a wicked goat gut* stringed, stand up Bass.

*(Insert goat guts/muslim sodomy/beastiality here)

176 I loved watching the Hindenberg

177

As compared to what? Mubarak ran that country for decades and they had food shortages, no freedom of speech, or press or the right to elections. They lived under virtual martial law while a corrupt class of self serving politicians fleeced the country and terrorized the populace. Mubarak was 82 years old. Exactly what did people think was going to happen? Did they think this would go on forever?

Posted by: Terrye at February 16, 2011 06:14 PM (Pr8hY)

It's been going on like that for over 5000 years, so far.  What we'll see now is a new Nasser or an Egyptian Khomeini.  Probably a Khomeini, since pan-arabism is pretty much dead.  Great stuff.

178  I have no idea what will happen in Egypt or what kind of government they will come up with, but it just amazes me that people seem to think  that Mubarak was such a deal for us. Look at Egypt today, that is his legacy.

Posted by: Terrye at February 16, 2011 06:14 PM (Pr8hY)

It doesn't matter what kind of government they come up with, it will fail. Egypt's food shortages are because they are a poor country and they import over half of their food. They are the worlds largest wheat importer and wheat has doubled in the past year. Their new government won't have any control over those problems.

179

Posted by: Terrye at February 16, 2011 06:08 PM (Pr8hY)

 

This is just off the top of head, and you can take it as a warning or not.  Don't be thinking about having a "girls' night out" in downtown Cairo anytime in the near or longer future.  Like I said.  Take it or leave it.  These are muslim men we're talking about.  They look at you as nothing more than uncovered meat.  Most Egyptians embrace sharia.  That's bad news for little girls like you. 

180

Ayatollah in iran says he has met the 12th imam.

Jesus Built My Hot Rod

181 166 158  Ayatollah in iran says he has met the 12th imam.

Are you serious?  Do you have a link?

I didn't know Ali Khamenei was a 12th-er.  Ahmedinejad is definitely a 12th-er, but if even the Supreme Leader of Iran is claiming he actually met him...

Then God help us all, because it says that the 12th-ers have virtually all the reigns of the Iranian government.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 16, 2011 06:12 PM (cr3AA) 

Beck was talking about that today.  And yeah, Ali Khamenei is indeed a 12th-er.  He is telling the people he has "spoken" with the 12th Iman and is now his spokesman.

182 Posted by: Terrye at February 16, 2011 06:14 PM (Pr8hY)

Just so it doesn't get lost:
Relative peace with Israel and assistance keeping the Suez Canal open.
Relative cooperation with America
Keeping the Muslim Brotherhood from gaining any power whatsoever.

He was a tyrant.  No doubt about that (though I didn't hear liberals complaining even one year ago, just for the record).  But looking at other "freer" Muslim countries in the area, I don't think any of the issues you mentioned are going to get fixed, and the three big things that were net positives for us in Egypt are probably going away.  So, yeah, I'm kind of concerned.

183 "I'm really not feeling any difference of magnitude, here. 4+ days in the hospital, I'm really not too concerned if they did it with their fists or their dicks." Any penetration whether penis, finger, or foreign object is a rape. Touching of breasts, buttocks, genitalia is a sexual assault. Oral cop is a whole different category but is treated as a rape.

184 I never believed it when Obama and the media kept saying it was a "youth revolution" I don't believe that for one minute. Yes, maybe many pushed it through the online outlets but I have a real bad feeling this was orchestrated somewhere else. Don't feel this is going to end well. The MoBros are just waiting ... patiently. Whenever Obama wants to push a meme it is always as "the youth" of America or "the youth" of another country. It will get ugly. I pray for Israel.

185 Has Obama ever lived in a well?

186

Ayatollah in iran says he has met the 12th imam.

Fairies Wear Boots

187 Any penetration whether penis, finger, or foreign object is a rape.

Kay was raped by a tuba.  But first she had to ....

188

We do know that the Mubarak regime had used rape in the past to intimidate people. Or it might have been the Muslim Brotherhood. I don't pretend to know. I just don't think everyone out there should be blamed for this. There are bad people everywhere.

Yet you keep pointing fingers at the void and assigning speculative blame to different groups...and ending with a tautological imperative about nature of humanity.

I blame a culture that doesn't understand that there was a crime perpetrated here.

  Of course there was a crime committed here. I just said I did not know exactly who did it. I was raped right here in the USA and I thought that was a crime. But no one went to jail. That happens sometimes, when you are a college student and you make the mistake of going to a fraternity party where a bunch of guys jump on you and beat you up and rape you and threaten to do worse if you say a word to anyone. I just let it go, because I was afraid and I believed them when they said no one would believe me. After all, they could just say I was asking for it.  Bad things happen to women in places other than Egypt.

And as for the culture that does not know there was a crime here, it was members of that culture that came to this woman's rescue and so they must have known that something was wrong. I know they are backward and I know I would never live in that country, probably never even go there. But that does not mean that every protester in Egypt is a rapist.

189 Posted by: Terrye at February 16, 2011 06:14 PM (Pr8hY)

Did you feel the same about Sadat, because Mubarak is no different than Sadat was.  Interestingly, idiot Western leftists (not you) like to view Sadat as a near-saint, but they are repulsed by Mubarak, who was no different.

190 Terrye - when I see a whole bunch of Muslims go out and have a parade saying that they denounce this type of behavior and the way Sharia law is carried out then I might believe what you are saying. Until there is that I don't believe that the majority of Muslims will say much about it ... period. And do not give me that crap that some do about the moderate Muslims are afraid to speak out.

191 The 12th iman has spoken to me. He's working a deal to be a spokesman for Sharia Law, and Priceline.com.

192 188 Any penetration whether penis, finger, or foreign object is a rape. ------------------------------------- That's fine, but no one is reporting that Lara Logan was raped.

193 190 Posted by: Terrye at February 16, 2011 06:14 PM (Pr8hY)

Did you feel the same about Sadat, because Mubarak is no different than Sadat was.  Interestingly, idiot Western leftists (not you) like to view Sadat as a near-saint, but they are repulsed by Mubarak, who was no different.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 16, 2011 06:23 PM (N49h9)

I am not a leftist. And by the way, when it came to rape did you feel the same way about Mubarak? Because his regime was known to use rape to keep people in line, especially the families of dissidents.

194 Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 16, 2011 06:23 PM (N49h9)

I posted this the other night but it might bear repeating now:  I liked Sadat just because he was smart enough to know that continuing to get his country's ass kicked by Israel was a losing proposition, unlike all the dumbasses surrounding him.  I had no pretense about him being this great leader otherwise domestically.  He was probably savvy enough to know that with an obvious Jew-hater like Carter in power that he could get the best deal possible from us at that time.

195 Did you feel the same about Sadat, because Mubarak is no different than Sadat was.  Interestingly, idiot Western leftists (not you) like to view Sadat as a near-saint, but they are repulsed by Mubarak, who was no different.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at February 16, 2011 06:23 PM (N49h9)

 

The only reason I liked Sadat and Mubarak?  They both recognized the State of Israel.  Israel is who we should be praying for, not Egypt or any of the other arab countries.  They'll be going down the toilet of undiluted sharia shortly.

196 @131 Of course the Arab culture does have a more backward view of women, but still it should be remembered that it was Egyptians who came to her rescue, Posted by: Terrye at February 16, 2011 05:58 PM (Pr8hY) This "more backward view" is responsible for all sorts of sex crimes, and not just in the Middle East. England, Denmark and Sweden all have severe problems with Muzzie yoots attacking women. There are areas of London and other cities which are "NO GO" for unaccompanied females, Jews or children. The yoots in some areas have formed gangs for the purpose of going outside their neighborhood to attack females. They seem to prefer blondes. But imagine growing up in Islam, strictly segregated from all women, never seeing any thing more than an occasional ankle, while being taught to hate all Jews, Christians and other dirty infidels. It's a screwed up Religion.

197

Posted by: Terrye at February 16, 2011 06:22 PM (Pr8hY)

I am sorry to hear this.  I can't have anything but sympathy for someone who has experienced what you have.  I also can't help but have anger towards any who would be silent and/or complicit to such a crime.  I think that Rape is insufficiently punished and is all too often unprosecuted.   It is deplorable and in my mind sufficient grounds for Capital Punishment. 

I am just unwilling to let the leftist meme, that is driving the details of this story underground, gain ground .  

There is ZERO evidence that this was related to the mubarak regime. 

Could it be?  Sure.  It could also have been the work of Martians using the local Landing Strips.  There is equal proof for both at this point.

The media is acting to suppress the details of this and hiding behind the cloak of 'decency' that they would never apply to someone other than their own.  I always suspect that the media is acting counter to the interests of decency, especialy when they invoke it.. 

198 191 Terrye - when I see a whole bunch of Muslims go out and have a parade saying that they denounce this type of behavior and the way Sharia law is carried out then I might believe what you are saying. Until there is that I don't believe that the majority of Muslims will say much about it ... period. And do not give me that crap that some do about the moderate Muslims are afraid to speak out.

Posted by: gesc at February 16, 2011 06:26 PM (+G2Ts)

I saw a lot of women, many of them in western saying they wanted a chance at freedom. I have no idea if they will get it or not, or if it is even possible in that culture, but they were also part of those rallies, along with hundreds of thousands of other people. As for Sharia, I think there is a split between the Muslim Brotherhood which supports 7th century law and many of the younger people who do not support sharia if it conflicts with international law. That is interesting because most sharia does conflict, it is as if they want to have their cake and eat it too. I don't know if they have the courage to make the kinds of changes that need to be made.

199 Kratos,  I am reporting what Beck said on his show which just finished.  I assume this is true,   because he is very scrupulous about telling people to check,  plus he has an army of researchers.

Also,  there is also supposed to be that meeting between Sunni and Shia scholars in Tehran.

Not getting a good feeling about this.

200 Sexual assault takes many forms including attacks such as rape or attempted rape, as well as any unwanted sexual contact or threats. Usually a sexual assault occurs when someone touches any part of another person's body in a sexual way, even through clothes, without that person's consent. -------------------------------------------- This is the definition of "sexual assault", which CBS has repeatedly stated Lara Logan was a victim of. The fact that CBS will NOT come out and say rape leads me to believe there was a whole lotta gropin' going on. If CBS continues to allow the "gang rape" scenario to play out, and then it so happens that this was a gropefest, then they will have questions to answer.

201

The media is acting to suppress the details of this and hiding behind the cloak of 'decency' that they would never apply to someone other than their own.  I always suspect that the media is acting counter to the interests of decency, especialy when they invoke it.. 

Posted by: garrett at February 16, 2011 06:37 PM (YeD/k)

I do not know if this is true. It might be that Lara Logan does not want to talk about, at least not now. Think about it, a lot of times in rape or sexual assault cases the details are not made public, often times the names of the women do not even come out. I think more will come out as time passes.

202

I saw a lot of women, many of them in western saying they wanted a chance at freedom. I have no idea if they will get it or not, or if it is even possible in that culture, but they were also part of those rallies, along with hundreds of thousands of other people.

I saw exactly one uncovered and confirmed woman.  In two weeks of coverage!

The rest of the time I saw some potato sacks that might or might not have been women...always being rushed through the crowd. 

203

Terrye - when I see a whole bunch of Muslims go out and have a parade saying that they denounce this type of behavior and the way Sharia law is carried out then I might believe what you are saying.

I'm still waiting for the muslim parade condemning 9/11 or Beslan.

204

124 Preach it brother.  I'm sick of having my leash yanked by these people and their apologists.

 

The Muslim world believes that they have successfully defanged the Great Satan and can now go after the little brother with impunity.  To a certain extent, they may be correct: we are hamstrung at home with both PC and anti-Israel sentiment (not the least our president and his inner circle); we are also hamstrung abroad due to world energy needs and our alliances.

It is always good to remember history at this time: the US has always in some way been tied to "Jew" in the minds of the rest of the world...what they want for Israel -- even before it came into existence -- they also want for us.  This doesn't just apply to backward, poor jihadi wannabes.

I've always considered myself Jew neutral -- as I am not of the tribe, nor am I a Christian of any great sort, so I'm not constrained to feel the need to support them on everything just because -- however, they have always deserved the right to live in peace and are the only democratic country in the region, as well as being our allies...I hope if it has to come to it, that we not only uphold our allegiances, but that Israel shows the world how to win a war (and if we have to go down with them -- then let's show the world what we are capable of).

205 "The separation and assault lasted for roughly 20 to 30 minutes, said a person familiar with the matter, who added that it was "not a rape." A CBS News spokesman declined to comment beyond the statement." Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 16, 2011

It wasn't rape-rape

206 I've always considered myself Jew neutral
Posted by: unknown jane at February 16, 2011 06:43 PM

Me too.

207 205 - yes and as we all know (but will never see the tape of the banquet) Obama is best friends with Khalidi. Just watch anything he says (Khalidi) when he is a guest on al-jageezasswipe english and there is no doubt in my mind where Obama is on the Israel. None.

208 166 158 Ayatollah in iran says he has met the 12th imam.

Are you serious? Do you have a link?
__________

In this account he doesn't go quite so far as saying that he's met the 12th imam. He says current events are being managed by the 12th imam.

209 Think about it, a lot of times in rape or sexual assault cases the details are not made public, often times the names of the women do not even come out.
Posted by: Terrye at February 16, 2011 06:39 PM

Sometimes they happen to "leak out" via friends in the media

210 Sometimes they happen to "leak out" via friends in the media
Posted by: William Kennedy Smith at February 16, 2011 06:48 PM

Just thought I'd let you know me, Mikey, and grandpa got a table reserved for you when you get here.

Dress lightly, gets pretty warm here

211 These are the opening days of the formation of the Pan-Arabic Bloc, which will be the replacement of the former Soviet Union in the modern world power structure.  Communistic regimes always baptise their 'birth' with a war, and this will be no exception, just uglier and bloodier.  It will probably be 100 years before the "Sandstorm Curtain" falls...

212 "Without oil, the whole goddam A-rab world would still be sitting around in the sand scratching their fleas. They are still just one dry hole away from that. Having money hasn't fundamentally changed them, they are still the  illiterate, nomadic camel bangers they have always been.

Posted by: maddogg at February 16, 2011 05:25 PM (OlN4e)"

I want everyone here to know that this maddogg can paraphrase your thoughts before you type them. How does it do that?

213 If that wasn't a rape, CBS shouldn't have made a vague statement that made it sound like rape.  To put it another way, if they knew it wasn't a rape, they should have said so in the same statement.

214 139 120 Washington Post just tweeted that Obama called Logan.

Better put some ice on that

215 207 Nice try, but you failed.

216 Susan Milligan a blogger on USnews.com (http://tinyurl.com/4fo7muz) mentions that Media Matters has been culling through blogs (I assume "right-wing") looking for shocking evidence of "blaming the victim".  The evidence?  People suggesting that she put herself in harm's way by moving amongst a frenzied crowd of sexually repressed men celebrating the resignation of Mubarak.

217 When it comes to Muslim psychopathic repressed perverts, we're all Jews and we should comport ourselves accordingly.


Where's ghengis when you need him?

Sorry Ace.

This really isn't your bag.

218 206 "The separation and assault lasted for roughly 20 to 30 minutes, said a person familiar with the matter, who added that it was "not a rape." A CBS News spokesman declined to comment beyond the statement." Posted by: goldbricker esq at February 16, 2011

It wasn't rape-rape

Really??
"In Friday's attack, she was separated from her colleagues and attacked for between 20 to 30 minutes, The Wall Street Journal said.

Her injuries were described to The Post as 'serious.'"

http://tinyurl.com/48wsxzu

219 That's fine, but no one is reporting that Lara Logan was raped.

Neither am I. However, read the damn headline. Ace is reporting she was raped. If you disagree, take it up with him.

220 Her injuries were described to The Post as 'serious.'"

They reported that she was beaten which could result in injuries that are "serious."

221 If that wasn't a rape, CBS shouldn't have made a vague statement that made it sound like rape.  To put it another way, if they knew it wasn't a rape, they should have said so in the same statement.

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 16, 2011 06:54 PM (ebOGZ)

I agree. Real crappy reporting by CBS. I read somewhere else that a CBS spokeman said it was not rape but I did not find the article myself.

222

 182 166 158  Ayatollah in iran says he has met the 12th imam

http://tinyurl.com/6g4chp8

223 This one says it wasn't rape.

224 Unrest in the ME.

225

Because the day we discover sustainable net-positive-energy fusion I will call the Day of Mighty Lulz as I laugh at the backward-ass Arab world about to learn a thing or too about having to work for money.

AMEN BROTHER! 

226 Let's hope these 12ther fuckers don't have nukes.

227 The Chinese and Europe would still buy oil from them. Mind you, we should still be taking *our* dollars out of their thrice-damned hands.

Terrye, words fail.

People like that just can't be left to run around committing horrific outrages against other people, they just can't. People have to stop putting up with horrific abuse or it will never, never stop.

That's not blaming the victim, everyone has to stop allowing it, how many stories have we had lately about repeat offenders put back out by the courts?

228 Funny, she doesn't look Jewish.

229

Let them eat their oil and sand!

And whatever for Sex!

230 Muslim scum attack and brutalize women every day. Why is this news? It's a dog-bites-man story.

231 Well, it wasn't rape rape right?

232 Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors is a much better way to go (compared to fusion) as it is proven technology that just needs to be adapted to industrial production. A prototype was built and operated at ORNL quite a few years ago. Fusion advocates have been claiming "break even within 10 years" for more than 50 years. Unless one of the non-Big Physics solutions, like Dense Plasma Focus or Polywell, proves viable, it might be another 50 years. (or more).

233 I'd do her, she smells a lot better that ahab!

http://tinyurl.com/3gxm97

234

Camel Jockey Redefined...

 

235 Was she actually raped?

236 Rape?  Shit she wasn't even humped!  Someone did see her little tits, they are on Al  Jazeera's camel channel. 

237 How does it matter if she was "actually" raped? If you mean anal, oral, or vaginal penetration with a penis or some other tool, we don't know. If she was poked, squeezed, proded, handled etc., it's not quite as bad but could actually be worse since they beat her enough to cause "serious" injuries. Why this fascination with how far or with what and where she was or was not penetrated. It doesn't matter.

238 For the record...All rapes are sexual assaults but not all sexual assaults are rape.
Very loose shit.

239 Dagny,

Some folks like to be beaten, I've read about it.

Come here big guy.

240 Posted by: dagny at February 16, 2011 07:51 PM (l3g1A)

I have no fascination with it. If it's not rape then why call it that?

241 Not that it should be seen as less heinous, but CBS via the WSJ is saying now that she wasn't raped.

Oh?

Not Raped-Raped?

WTF does that even mean?!

Call me crazy but one of the perquisites of being a modern Westernized woman is the ability to wander around outside the cloister from time to time and just shoot the shit!

Does that mean that I pretty much depend upon the kindness's of burly strangers I'm not likely to sleep with EVAR?

Oh, hellz Yes!

It's called being fucking civilized, you animals!

Does it make sense?

Probably not, not on a case by case basis, I would grant but still, I get to run around everyday and write checks with my mouth that my ass can't possibly cash!

(I try not to abuse the privilege.)

Still.  It is a wonder to know that pretty much wherever I go, in civilized lands, strange men, not related to me will protect and defend me.

Because, they are just that awesome!!!

Do Western men just have soo much extra manliness that they can just toss it off as a casual aside?

Would seem so.

(You don't see our guys molesting goats, as a rule!)

242 #163, my friend's late father was a career NASA engineer. Came back from the CBI to White Sands Missile Range in '46, , retired in the early 1980s. The Satuen 2nd stage was his favorite project. He swore that after Nixon cancelled the Apollo project and all the tooling was ordered destroyed, that the preservation of documentation was so sloppy the only way we could ever build another Saturn V would be disassembling one of the static displays (KSFC, MSFC, JSFC) and just MAYBE having enough of the right parts to reverse engineer in.

He had a huge loft out in his garage packed full of tech manuals and papers, all carefully stored in case that day ever comes again.

#204, I saw one. Vitina, Kosovo, 12 September 2001. There was a candlelight march and vigil at the front gate of our camp, maybe 200-300 people out of a town of a couple thousand. S-2 said the town was 90 percent ethnic Albanian, and of them at least eighty percent claimed to be some kind of Muslim. Apparently there was a Kosovar Albanian expat community in New York City, and somebody's cousins were working for the janitorial contractor at the WTC. 

Last year I was in New York en route to my buddy's graduation at West Point and stopped at the Oyster Bar in Grand Central for an early dinner. My bartender was from Pristina, Kosovo. We got to talking, and the service was excellent.

They aren't all filthy subhumans, just enough to make the exceptions exceptional.

243 It is a wonder to know that pretty much wherever I go, in civilized lands, strange men, not related to me will protect and defend me.

Uh, stay out of subways and away from latin american independence day parades in NYC.

244 They've had their chance with the fields and the power they've derived from them and they've been nothing but destructive to modern civilization.

So nice.  Should be said twice!

245 Uh, stay out of subways and away from latin american independence day parades in NYC.

I didn't say that I was unaware that the borders can be erhm, fluid.

246 The end of the oil economy crutch in the Arab states will probably be as beneficial for them as it is for us. In order to sustain or improve their quality of life they will be required to develop sustainable economies. This in turn will lead to increased private property rights, cultural stability, and freedom... Or Rhodesia.

247 Rape IS worse than sexual assault. Why this insistence by some people that she was raped when they are saying she was not? What's your fascination with it? I don't want to be lectured to by people who can't distinguish facts from fiction.

248

I was chanting "Jew-urns!"

249 236 Was she actually raped? Posted by: Rocks at February 16, 2011 07:47 PM (th0op) ------------------------------- No.

250 220 That's fine, but no one is reporting that Lara Logan was raped. Neither am I. However, read the damn headline. Ace is reporting she was raped. If you disagree, take it up with him. Posted by: moi at February 16, 2011 07:03 PM (Ez4Ql) ------------------------------------ Ace isn't a reporter. A bit thin skinned aren't you?

251 102 I'm really not feeling any difference of magnitude, here. 4+ days in the hospital, I'm really not too concerned if they did it with their fists or their dicks. Posted by: nickless at February 16, 2011 05:16 PM (MMC8r) -------------------------------------------- Days spent in an Egyptian hospital after the attack: 0 As a matter of fact, she returned to her hotel and caught the next available flight out of Egypt.

252 Also how about fucktard Obama let us drill for oil in Alaska, or the Gulf of Mexico, or the Atlantic or Pacific coasts.

Of course, if the goal is to impoverish America to punish us for our sins -- then Obama's policies make sense.

253 Logan was raped. Salon and the LA Weekly and some blog called Mofo (have never been there) are all reporting it.

Duh they're Muslims. Muslims rape non-Muslim women. Its what they do. It is part of their religion. Mohammed raped women, all the time. Including 9 year old girls. Their religion teaches them non-Muslim women are simply property to rape. That's how Muslims behave, in the West, and in Cairo.

[The rape of ethnic Swedes and Norwegians and Danes in Scandinavia by Muslim immigrants accounts for about 85% of all rapes that occur there.]

As for Lefty reaction, most find it "funny" because they reflexively side with non-Westerners over Westerners. Logan had a messy personal life (had two guys fighting over her in Baghdad, both married). Leftism is a toxic combination of Virginia Cavalier Aristocratic culture (dislike of women outside of mistresses/mothers) and Progressive Puritanism (elect/damned, idealization of non-Westerners as Christ replacement, etc.) So the toxic attitudes from that, mixed with feminism (if women HATE HATE HATE beta males, beta males who are feminists HATE HATE HATE women right back, in passive-aggressive ways) is not shocking. The mental gymnastics required to justify female sexual libertinism with Alpha males and beta male celibacy are pretty ugly and result in hatred (ill concealed) of attractive women. Along with reflexive worship of non-Western and non-White men.

254 What about us? It's called "ethical oil".

255 And us, too, hosers!

256

Uncivilised bunch of heatens over there in egypt

257 "Ace isn't a reporter. A bit thin skinned aren't you? Posted by: Shoppy" Only when asshholes like you try to put words into my mouth. Now, piss off.

258
Yeah, I want my Mr. Fusion, and I want it now!