1 Promise them anything. Just get their votes.

2 Yep.

Plus, Perry's charge about illegals working at Romney's mansion turned out to be true.

3 Yes, I covered that in the Romney eval way way back. He is epic fail on a lot of issues important to conservatives.

4 Need a guy like him in Washington.

5 Take that scary edge off of the GOP

6

Mittbots in 3...2...(posts, that is)

John McCain, for whatever else, had the best line of the 2008 primary when he said, "Maybe Mitt should get his varmint gun and run those Guatamalans off his lawn."

7 But what really gets my goat is nobody is talking about this shit in the MFM........yet. The MFM blasts every front runner so far EXCEPT Romney.

One has to go to conservative blogs to find Romney's record.

8

To be fair, and I'm not a Romney guy, this is not a flip-flop.  This is changing an opinion once, which is fine as long as the change is in the right direction.

For instance, had you ever, in the past, held a more-liberal view, and then had your eyes opened?  I know I have.

 

...OK, that might work for anybody else, but not even the spirit of intellectual equinimity saves me from laughing my ass off while trying to say that.

9 Flashback: Romney Wasn't Always Firm... —Gabriel Malor In other news, Michael Jackson: Still Dead.

10 Bah.

11 You are what your record says you are.

12 Mittens has never wavered in his assertion that he wants to be President.

Anything else, notsomuch.

13 This won't  really have too much effect.  Mitt's voters don't give a shit about policy.

14

Just wait until Mitt has the nomination and suddenly remembers he's sorta kinda a semi-mexican his damned own self.

The hopey-changey stories he's going to spin to the Hispanic groups are going to make you  pop an artery in outrage.

15

Seems like Mitten's Neopolitan ice cream has an additional flavor.... Chimichanga.

 

16 he's as consistent as a human being can be......./

17 Romney 2012 Now With the Reservoir Tip

18 Are we rockin' this election, or what?

In the sidebar, there's a VDH column saying what we all know, which is that the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure has always been a SCoaMF, and we get to choose between two items of Damaged Goods (Perry and Cain), a lazy blowhard (The Newt), two Certified Crazies (Bachmann and RON PAUL!11!), a guy who was stomped in his own state (Santorum) and...Mutt Romney, who, if his "policies" were a computer program, would be a random number generator.

Yay for us.

So far, I'm sticking with Damaged Goods. To give Osama Obama another four years would be like opening the bomb bay doors on the Enola Gay: we might have 30 seconds of peace and quiet, but the explosion will inevitably follow.

19

 Flashback: Romney Wasn't Always Firm...

Petunia hardest hit...

20 @14, the other entertaining thing would be to hear Mitt's take on abortion in the general.  I predict he 1) would try not to mention it at all or 2) would revert to the John Forbes Kerry position, personally against but wouldn't force that on anybody.

21 In other news: Justin Bieber firm for thirty seconds.

22 Not that I care all that much, but I wonder if even Mitt knows what Mitt is really for and against anymore? He probably doesn't even think of issues in those terms.

23 Flashback: Romney Wasn't Always Firm... Bob Dole, neither.

24 I'm to the point that I look at it this way. All we will be doing in the next Presidential election is removing Obama from office. I can't see any of the potentials as actually leading on any major government reforms. That leadership will have to from congress if it comes at all. If it don't we'll just be treading water till the next election. At least we won't continue to make things far worse.
Uplifting isn't it?

25 22 In other news: Justin Bieber firm for thirty seconds. Posted by: Bee-bop-a-lula at November 04, 2011 07:57 AM (2DaHw) I got the job done, bitch.

26

Romney link

He has a lot of flip flops and a massive liberal record. He doesn't have a conservative bone in his body.

27 Where are we all going to be when this yo-yo is the POTUS?

Since he's an R, the MFM will be out to destroy him.  Unless I have this all wrong, and he'll be doing lots of face time with Bwian, Ann, the 60 Minutes crew, primetime everywhere, and more, handling puffballs like they are fastballs.

Meanwhile, we'll be sniping, hating every utterance he makes.

It's gonna be bad.

28 27

Romney link

He has a lot of flip flops and a massive liberal record. He doesn't have a conservative bone in his body.

Posted by: Vic at November 04, 2011 08:02 AM (YdQQY)

Neither have I, IYKWIMAITYD.

29 I never understood that conservatives prefered Romney to McCain in '08. Sure, McCain is a NYT pandering, progressive Republican, but even he had a few long held believes conservatives could agree on (abortion, hawkish on national security). With Mittens everything is fluid and negotiable. 

30

Now that everyoneÂ’s had a good nightÂ’s sleep, I hope we can all put this Cain for President thing behind us.  Mitt is still a squish, Perry canÂ’t talk and Newt has too much baggage.

 

Luckily, Nate Silver (of all people) has laid out PalinÂ’s path to the nomination.

 

Good times.

31 this is getting embarassing, the Romneybots should just come out and admit that they support Mitt because he's the best case scenario in electability, they'll take flak for it (not from me, I think it's an understandable position), but at least they'll make more semnse then trying to explain his flippity flops.

32

Luckily, Nate Silver (of all people) has laid out PalinÂ’s path to the nomination.

and Obama will lay out a path to re-election if that's the case

33 I think Obama already has his path to reelection. All he has to do is watch the unbelievable spectacle of Republicans doing everything imaginable to each other to ensure they lose come November 2012. For the Love of God... no more primary process.

34

Posted by: RINO VP AuthorLMendez, AKA YRM, Troll, Who Supports Banning Curious at November 04, 2011 08:08 AM (yAor6)

Yep, because nothing says "electability" like a candidate who was only once elected to public office, couldnt get a majority to vote for him on that occasion and declined to run for reelection because Obamas mini-me would have kicked his ass.

 

35

I think Obama already has his path to reelection. All he has to do is watch the unbelievable spectacle of Republicans doing everything imaginable to each other to ensure they lose come November 2012.

i've gotten to the point that i'm debating w/ soothsayer whether it's 1948 (as he claims it will be) or 1916 (as I say it could be) next year

36 I never understood that conservatives prefered Romney to McCain in '08.

I think it was a combination of two things, (1) People did not know his record as well as they do now because conservatives were rooting for Fred Thompson and had not taken a close look at Mitt. and (2) McCain had gone out of his way to piss off conservatives in the past. So even though he was less liberal than Mitt on some issues conservatives hated him.

37

Yep, because nothing says "electability" like a candidate who was only once elected to public office, couldnt get a majority to vote for him on that occasion and declined to run for reelection because Obamas mini-me would have kicked his ass.

all points well taken but they're looking at the polls and he seems to be the only good who's making Obama sweat in the polls

38

Flippin is not just a town in Tennessee?

Flippin is a populated place located in Lauderdale County at latitude 35.787 and longitude -89.493.

39 oops only guy not only good/correction

40 it's going to be a long day...

41

a guy who was stomped in his own state (Santorum)

It is true fact that Santorum was stomped in PA, this is undeniable.  I swear to God, though, that there were a ton of people who were convinced they were voting for Casey Sr. and not Jr. 

Why is Newt considered lazy?  The blowhard thing, yeah, sure, but lazy?

42 I still think Perry is going to rebound in the polls. There will be more Cain revelations today and as that sinks in his numbers will plummet. And a lot of his supporters will migrate to Newt until they start investigating his recent record.

Finally someone will say "maybe the stupid debates are such a damn important issue".

43 41 it's going to be a long day...

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 04, 2011 08:18 AM (SH3gZ)

I hear ya sister, pass the Bon-Bons.  

44
A pull from that Nate Silver column:

Still, the door is at least theoretically open for Ms. Palin, Mr. Christie or even Tim Pawlenty to run. And it wonÂ’t close anytime soon: California will not vote until June.

I don’t mean that entirely as a joke. It’s been a long time since we had a brokered convention. But if the nomination were stalemated after the first dozen or two states had voted, or if it seemed as if an “unelectable” candidate were in danger of being nominated, a candidate like Mr. Christie could potentially enter the race very late, demonstrating his popular support by performing strongly in late-voting states like California, Ohio and North Carolina and then winning the nomination as a consensus choice on the floor of the convention.


Yay!  Christie is going to save us from Romney.

This election is like the Aliens vs Predator movie and we're the human buffet in the middle.

45

Look there are plenty more debates for Perry to burnish his "slick" credentials. Look at everyones record.

He by far has the best RECORD. Obviously he has persuasive skills otherwise he would never have done such a good job in Texas.

I can't believe that just because the guy cannot debate, that people are writing him off! His interviews are great, his speeches are great and he is very articulate in those settings. Just because he can't do the one minute gotcha crap at the debates does NOT mean he wouldn't be a great President. He says what he means and means what he says.

46 Oh Rick Perry, the nomination could have been yours so easily...

47 it's going to be a long day...

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 04, 2011 08:18 AM (SH3gZ)

oh just wait until the fallout of the Nov 9th debate, i'll be on vacation so i'll miss out on that but when folks (like my brother) witness Cain's weak foreign policy creds and Ron Paul's head explode it will be an interesting day. I'd say Perry could comeback w/ the debate but I have my doubts as it seems folks are still holding a grudge over that "heartless" comment

48 Why is Newt considered lazy? The blowhard thing, yeah, sure, but lazy? Posted by: alexthechick at November 04, 2011 08:18 AM Yeah, I don't get that either. Love newt or hate newt, you don't achieve his stature watching TV.

49 re: dealing with a potential Romney presidency

1) Work like hell to elect as conservative a Congress as is humanly possible in '12 (as if you were electing one to keep Barky in check another 4 years). Do I trust McConnell and Boehner to pull Mitt very far rightward? No, but hopefully they'll be enough Tea Party types in Congress by then to do it whether those two want to or not and, even those 2 will pull Mitt further right than they would the Marxist-in-Chief if he gets another 4 years.

2) Remind Mitt repeatedly that if he misbehaves too badly he'll get primaried in '16 and/or face a 3rd Party challenge from the Right (and start laying the groundwork from the very start of his term so that it's actually possible when the time comes). He doesn't give a rat's patootie about what people on the Right think, but he'll care about getting re-elected.

3) Pray that only liberal SC justices retire over the next 4 years.

50 Oh Rick Perry, the nomination could have been yours so easily...

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 04, 2011 08:19 AM (FkKjr)

agreed, i'm still trying to pick up the pieces and investigate what went so wrong. if Perry had woken up earlier and not drop the "heartless" line he'd be running away with this right now

oh well

coulda, woulda, shoulda

51 author where are you going on vacation? the heartless comment didn't even phase me.....probably because i am heartless.....

52 Yay!  Christie is going to save us from Romney.

This election is like the Aliens vs Predator movie and we're the human buffet in the middle.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 04, 2011 08:19 AM (oBrVT)

Christie guy here (I Know, I Know), and folks need to stop floating this.

he's not running. neither is Palin or T-Paw. they're not running.

53 Perry has indicated he will do about 6 more of thee debates that do not interfere with the primary schedule. His opponents have all screamed about how stupid skipping these debates is. I predict that most of the other candidates will skip debates as well and they will start falling apart.

The only candidates who will go to the debates will be those who are broke and need the free air time. We are now entering the window for local political ads. You need lots of money for those and most of these also-ran candidates don't have any.

54 Remind Mitt repeatedly that if he misbehaves too badly he'll get primaried in '16 and/or face a 3rd Party challenge from the Right

Mitt's a Massachusetts Republican.  He wears unpopularity with the right like a badge on his chest.

55 Mitt's a Massachusetts Republican. He wears unpopularity with the right like a badge on his chest. I wish more people understood this.

56 the heartless comment didn't even phase me.....probably because i am heartless.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 04, 2011 08:22 AM (SH3gZ)

1 - it didn't phase me either, in fact (at the risk of getting some folks here worked up) I kinda agreed with it in some senses. but it was after he dropped that it all went to hell in hand basket. *whimpers*

2 - i'm headed upstate, my cousin (who serves her country) is getting married but I decided to make a vacation out of it. I got eneough PTO hours to get days off I got w/ pay. So i'm gonna head up and enjoy the most conservative part of FL w/ family and just chill. I've been needing this, I have yet to miss a day of work and i'm getting sick of paperwork.

57 I think it was a combination of two things, (1) People did not know his record as well as they do now because conservatives were rooting for Fred Thompson and had not taken a close look at Mitt. and (2) McCain had gone out of his way to piss off conservatives in the past. So even though he was less liberal than Mitt on some issues conservatives hated him.

Posted by: Vic at November 04, 2011 08:14 AM (YdQQY)

Yep...McCain seemed to (and still does) flat out enjoy sticking a sharp stick in the eyes of conservatives. I didn't know nearly as much about Mitt's record in '08 as I do now, and so, since Mitt was the only non-McCain/non-Huckabee still running when Georgia had its primary, I voted for him. Gack.
Was not the least bit happy about doing it.

58

Yeah and Perry isn't a whiner.

Yesterday he was on CNN and they asked him about being accused by Cain and he said it absolutely did not come from his campaign. And that if he did find out someone in his campaign did it they were "out the door!".

He said this was harmful rumors and he wanted to get back to what the American people were concerned with.

Now he COULD HAVE piled on with a "well Mr. Cain is angry about being smeared without proof and now he is trying to do that to me" but he didn't.

He said I had nothing to do with it sir. Addressing Cain!

He has handled this with class, something I cannot say that Cain is doing.

59 60 Yeah and Perry isn't a whiner. No, he lets Anita whine for him.

60 If the Republicans control both houses and the presidency and really enact the reforms (entitlements, anyone?) necessary to get us out of the ditch, they will lose the house in 2014. Mittens and a Dem congress. I cant wait!

61 "No, he lets Anita whine for him.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 04, 2011 08:28 AM (niZvt) "

Marriage teaches you to let your wife whine about whatever she wants.

62 @58: Romney is a flip-flopper, tis true... but you really have to wonder about anything reported in the New York Times.

63

2) Remind Mitt repeatedly that if he misbehaves too badly he'll get primaried in '16 and/or face a 3rd Party challenge from the Right (and start laying the groundwork from the very start of his term so that it's actually possible when the time comes). He doesn't give a rat's patootie about what people on the Right think, but he'll care about getting re-elected.

yep, I have been very upfront in my opposition to a 3rd party. however if the GOP has the House, Senate, & White House again and screws up AGAIN, i'm jumping in that 3rd party bandwaggon happily

64 Oh Rick Perry, the nomination could have been yours so easily...

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 04, 2011 08:19 AM (FkKjr)

Yep...irritating as hell too since I'm supporting him. grrrrrrrrrrr

65

the heartless comment didn't even phase me.....probably because i am heartless.....

The heartless comment makes flames come out my eyes because a.  it violates the do not insult the base to its face rule and b. because I am sick of that crap from the other side, I do not need to hear it from someone purportedly on my own. 

Seriously, I want to sit all the candidates down and remind them, via gentle boot to the face, that they are asking me to give them a job, not deigning to allow me the great pleasure of voting for them.  When asking for a job, it is generally considered merely polite to not insult the persom from who you are seeking that job.

66

No, he lets Anita whine for him.

Oh please. She saw her husband being mischaracterized and she jumped to his defense. Something I would have done too.

It's hard to see someone you love and who you feel is a good man being smashed by the press and others. She responded as a wife, not a policymaker. You notice that she hasn't said anything since then?

67 One doesn't have to go to the NYT to find massive evidence of Romney's liberal positions and flip-flops. It is all over the net.

68 The only candidates who will go to the debates will be those who are broke and need the free air time. We are now entering the window for local political ads. You need lots of money for those and most of these also-ran candidates don't have any.

Posted by: Vic at November 04, 2011 08:23 AM (YdQQY)

We can surely hope.

69 66 Oh Rick Perry, the nomination could have been yours so easily... Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 04, 2011 08:19 AM (FkKjr) I honestly thought he was IT... until he opened his mouth at the first debate. It sort of reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3WZ5EoqJU8

70

Yeah and Perry isn't a whiner.

Yesterday he was on CNN and they asked him about being accused by Cain and he said it absolutely did not come from his campaign. And that if he did find out someone in his campaign did it they were "out the door!".

He said this was harmful rumors and he wanted to get back to what the American people were concerned with.

Now he COULD HAVE piled on with a "well Mr. Cain is angry about being smeared without proof and now he is trying to do that to me" but he didn't.

He said I had nothing to do with it sir. Addressing Cain!

He has handled this with class, something I cannot say that Cain is doing.

 

Say that to my brother, he despises Perry w/ a passion. He hates him as a man. He thinks Perry is behind it all and that Cain's the savior of the GOP.

71 Romney 2012 Lubricated in a Delicious Banana Flavor and Scent

72 OT/ 9.0% and 80.000 jobs

73 OT/ 9.0% and 80.000 jobs

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at November 04, 2011 08:38 AM (5Wl/f)

basically...nothing new

74 73, Well, I guess that would make it easier on America's collective anus.

75 T-paw was inthe race. He quit. Then endorsed Romney. I think proves what kind of conservative he really is.

76 I guess since all the candidates suck we will be forced to vote for pipe fittings. As an ex Machinist Mate I can go with that.

77 T-paw was inthe race. He quit. Then endorsed Romney. I think proves what kind of conservative he really is.

Posted by: Bannor at November 04, 2011 08:39 AM (RZqFI)

he needed some debt paid off

I'd like him to run for Senate

78

Say that to my brother, he despises Perry w/ a passion. He hates him as a man. He thinks Perry is behind it all and that Cain's the savior of the GOP.

 

And what will he say when more comes out about Cain?

Who, btw, preemptively said....there will probably be more people coming out and they are all lying.

HA!

79

this is getting embarassing, the Romneybots reluctant Romney supporters should just come out and admit that they support Mitt because he's the best only case scenario in electability, they'll take flak for it (not from me, I think it's an understandable position), but at least they'll make more semnse then trying to explain his flippity flops.

Now we're talking.  Job 1-remove O from office. 

80

Why is Newt considered lazy?  The blowhard thing, yeah, sure, but lazy?

Posted by: alexthechick at November 04, 2011 08:18 AM

What has The Newt done since exiting the House -- many years ago -- except sit around on his ever-expanding ass pontificating to Sean Hannity?

You (or at least I) would think that a politician would be hustling for (another) elective office instead of just surfacing often enough to keep himself from being totally forgotten.

I could see The Newt getting a talk-radio hosting gig a la Limbaugh, who has been wise enough not to run for office, but not being president.

81 T-paw had a lot of flip-flops as well and a very liberal record. He was a more boring version of Romney. It was no surprise when he endorsed Romney.

82 Morning all

83

And what will he say when more comes out about Cain?

Who, btw, preemptively said....there will probably be more people coming out and they are all lying.

HA!

he'll probably come up w/ some new crap defense. he thinks Cain will win the black vote and destroy Obama. but then again he also thinks Perry's racist and that the GOP needs to get rid of the "racist south", and that Obama's just mediocre not one of the worst.

84

Now we're talking.  Job 1-remove O from office. 

Posted by: pep at November 04, 2011 08:42 AM (YXmuI)

well there you go bro, at least your being more honest about it

you have my respect for that

85
Gabe: no Top Headlines Comments to start the day?

Since there's no DOOM Friday thread, you could've gone straight to a Hate on Cain thread.

I WANT MY HATE ON CAIN THREAD NOW! AND I WANT IT ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, FROM THE THC THREAD TO THE ONT!!!111!!

86 What has The Newt done since exiting the House -- many years ago -- except sit around on his ever-expanding ass pontificating to Sean Hannity?

He ran a conservative "think-tank" and internet site. (Which I signed up for and still get e-mails from him). His major function with the site and the org was to sell books.

The site has since became his campaign site.

87 I guess since all the candidates suck we will be forced to vote for pipe fittings. As an ex Machinist Mate I can go with that.
Posted by: Vic at November 04, 2011 08:40 AM

Just guessing, but I'm thinking most morons would pick the butt welded pipe fitting.

What's your choice, Vic?

88 I don't know, maybe bit by bit we're coming to the conclusion Newt is the way to go?

89 Gabe: no Top Headlines Comments to start the day?

Huh???

90

I wonder how this would fly for Perry: He points out the flaw in immigration law as the stupid SC decision that misread the plain language of the 14th Amendment and that ever since that decision, we've been inundated with illegals exploiting it, resulting in a big part of our deficit by allowing illegals to obtain benefits that were previously reserved only for true American citizens.

...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. That's what was ignored by the Supremes.

This is plain as day, even to this Moron. If you squeeze out a kid here and you're not an American citizen, your kid isn't a citizen either. You're both still subject to the jurisdiction of your native land. Essentially, you carry your citizenship with you wherever you go, it's not dependent solely on where you were born.

91

at least your being more honest about it

 

I appreciate the respect, but let's be clear.  That has been my position from day 1.

92 What's your choice, Vic?

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 04, 2011 08:45 AM (HkOAc)

Certainly not the "butt welded". I must go with the carbon steel since it is "stronger" and therefore more "electable".

It will get the all elusive "independent" vote in PA and turn the State red.

93

You (or at least I) would think that a politician would be hustling for (another) elective office instead of just surfacing often enough to keep himself from being totally forgotten.

Um, no, I would not.  I think one of the major problems we are facing is the permanent political class.  Not running for another office is a positive, not a negative to me.  Before the Romneybots flip out, yes, that is a point in his favor for me. 

And just sitting around?  I was unaware that those books he wrote just appeared ex nihilo.  Plus there's the lecturing and whatnot.  YMMV as to the value of that, but I do not view Newt as having just been sitting around. 

 

94
_{I got the job done, bitch.}

_{Posted by: Justin Bieber at November 04, 2011 08:01 AM (niZvt)}

_{What was it like?}

95 Yeah, I don't get that either. Love newt or hate newt, you don't achieve his stature watching TV.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 04, 2011 08:21 AM (ZDUD4)

As much as it pains me to say, he really does have the deepest grasp of all the issues. He is a smart mofo but he is a mofo. The MFM will have a feast of him.

I don't trust anyone who would share a couch with a deplorable-witch-whore.

 

96

I appreciate the respect, but let's be clear.  That has been my position from day 1.

Posted by: pep at November 04, 2011 08:47 AM (YXmuI)

Mitt's not a slam dunk to get elected.  It would take the same amount of work to drag one of the other guys across the finish line and he is by far the worst person on our side to potentially occupy the White House.

97 Headline:

Massive Drop in Unemployment, Now Only 9%

98 He says what he means and means what he says.

So he really did mean the "heartless" comment then...

99 Oh and by the way.  Newt has never won a state-wide election.

100 I WANT MY HATE ON CAIN THREAD NOW! AND I WANT IT ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, FROM THE THC THREAD TO THE ONT!!!111!! Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at November 04, 2011 08:44 AM (7+pP9) I thought Fridays are Hate on Perry Day? Yesterday was Hate on Cain. Wednesdays, usually Hate on Romney. Palin not running created a real vacuum for Mondays, and Bachmann & the rest aren't worth a day's worth of hate.

101 I'm with pep on this one.

I'm with Romney because he is the best chance at defeating Obama.

All the other stuff - don't care so much about, as long as we have a conservative Congress.

102 I'm a single issue voter and my one and only issue is purging the GOP of all RINOs. If the GOP nominates this RINO Romney then I'll be voting for Obama next year, hell, I'll vote for Obama in 2016 too. Far as immigration is concerned my purity of conservative idealism is as follows: I want less government. Thus I want the federal government to deport each and every one of the 14 million illegals in this country. I'm for the rule of law. Thus I want illegals to not have any right whatsoever to contest whether they're entitled to stay. Get rid of 'em immigration courts, asylum, and such, we don't need to worry about technicalities. Round 'em up in the middle of the night, pack the trains, and ship 'em down to Costa Hondura, or wherever the hell they're from. I'm for less federal spending. Thus I want the Feds to build a fence along the entire border with Mexifornia. Build that f'n fence and spend less money dammit! Most important, I believe in the Constitution. That's why we should eliminate this birthright thing. A kid gets born here and one of his parents is an illegal the kid should be the first one of the lot deported, dammit. Makes no difference if one of his parents is an actual U.S. citizen, you fornicating RINOs. Illegal is illegal. Deport 'em all. Spend less money. Reduce the government. Build the fence. Then deport 'em again, just to make sure. Cain-Gingrich-Palin, '12. It's my way or the highway, punks.

103 Plus there's the lecturing and whatnot.  YMMV as to the value of that, but I do not view Newt as having just been sitting around.  Posted by: alexthechick at November 04, 2011 08:48 AM

Yeah, forgot about the "whatnot" part.

Sorry, but I still think Gingrich is as much a hack politician as any, even if his IQ may be somewhat higher. Like Vic, I still get emails from him, and they are disgustingly like those sent out by other "send me money!" political whores. My span filter lets 'em through, so there's that.

Once again, I'm not saying I won't vote for him if he's the Repub choice, but I don't hold him in the same high regard others do. Being long on theory is not so impressive if you're short on results.

104
Look, Newt has a smile like a crocodile that just ate my dog, and he's a dick.  But I'd still rather have him than that dude from Massachusetts who bounced on "Frank's" other knee.

105 Caught a few seconds of one of the network channels (The one with FMR Press Sec. George Snuffleupagus), the teaser after the commercial was about Cain, and the clip they decided to play during the narration was Cain walking and wiping (nervous??) sweat from his forehead.

106 I WANT MY HATE ON CAIN THREAD NOW! AND I WANT IT ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, FROM THE THC THREAD TO THE ONT!!!111!!

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at November 04, 2011 08:44 AM (7+pP9)

Yeah...I don't understand the Ace bashin that was goin down here yesterday. When I get my fill of a story or issue, I simply turn the TV or interwebs off, its easy, some folks should give it a try.

The Cain situation is a BFD, we may not like it but Ace not covering is not gonna make it go away.

 

107

Neither has Cain. Or Bachmann.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 04, 2011 08:55 AM (OWjjx)

hey at least Bachmann and Newt have won something before, unlike Cain

108 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

109 I don't see Romney as being any more electable than any of the other candidates except for Ron Paul and some of the fringe people.

Sooner or later the media will get around to excoriating him and his numbers will drop. And keep in mind that 75% of the polled Republican hates him. Elevate that to 90% to 95% of the base hates him and you have to see that he will depress turnout.

110 Where all the bitchez at?

111

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at November 04, 2011 08:54 AM (rJVPU)

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what Mitt voters think of Republicans.

112

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at November 04, 2011 08:54 AM (rJVPU)

idk who's been doing these, and i'm gonna get beef from my fellow hard righties, but they've been hillarious and enjoyable

113 I don't see Romney as being any more electable than any of the other candidates except for Ron Paul and some of the fringe people.

Did you see CAC's and John E's maps from yesterday?

114
Gabe: no Top Headlines Comments to start the day?

Huh???

Posted by: Vic at November 04, 2011 08:45 AM (YdQQY)

Maybe it was a browser glitch because I didn't see it until I refreshed the main page.

Or maybe I needed more coffee.

115

You know who else hasn't won a thing. Alan Keyes. That is why he is my man. Alan Keyes - 2012.............I am the Purist of them All!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 04, 2011 08:58 AM (OWjjx)

again why haven't we seen Cain and Keyes in the same room?

 

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what Mitt voters think of Republicans.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 04, 2011 08:58 AM (FkKjr)

it's not a thought on all Republicans, it's a thought on some Republicans and it ain't only Mitt voters who think it

116 112 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 04, 2011 08:57 AM (8y9MW)

Now this is something we can all agree upon.

 

117 Yes, and those maps are all based on newspaper/news polls and they are currently worthless. In addition, no poll measures turnout.

118

Did you see CAC's and John E's maps from yesterday?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 04, 2011 08:59 AM (s7mIC)

What did their maps say in 2007?  It's way too early to be playing that game.

119 Did you see CAC's and John E's maps from yesterday?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 04, 2011 08:59 AM (s7mIC)

Vic doesnt believe in polls or even independents, he thinks Romney will lose the south. there's no point talking electability w/ him

120 I know this goes against the HQ orthodoxy but I am okay with a path to citizenship for illegals, as long as it is a path that does not disadvantage those who are already in line to become citizens legally.

121

What did their maps say in 2007?  It's way too early to be playing that game.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 04, 2011 09:01 AM (FkKjr)

they said the GOP was screwed

122 Did you see CAC's and John E's maps from yesterday?

Posted by: chemjeff at November 04, 2011 08:59 AM (s7mIC)

I couldn't get past the size of them, man they were HUGE!  

123 Bob Dole is tanned, rested and ready.  Just sayin'...

124 I couldn't get past the size of them, man they were HUGE! 

That's what she said....

125 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 04, 2011 08:57 AM (8y9MW)

Now this is something we can all agree upon.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at November 04, 2011 09:00 AM (8ieXv)

yes!

126 It would be really surprising if you could point to an issue where Romney held the conservative position while governating taxachusettes and has now flopped to the liberal position in order to run for teleprompter reader in chief.

127 83

Why is Newt considered lazy?  The blowhard thing, yeah, sure, but lazy?

Posted by: alexthechick at November 04, 2011 08:18 AM

What has The Newt done since exiting the House -- many years ago -- except sit around on his ever-expanding ass pontificating to Sean Hannity?

You (or at least I) would think that a politician would be hustling for (another) elective office instead of just surfacing often enough to keep himself from being totally forgotten.

I could see The Newt getting a talk-radio hosting gig a la Limbaugh, who has been wise enough not to run for office, but not being president.

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Yeah, probably barking up the wrong tree on that angle.

128 97 I got the job done, bitch. Posted by: Justin Bieber at November 04, 2011 08:01 AM (niZvt) With a girl? GROSS!

129 Not Newt.  I'm looking for a national leader.  He's a fine conservative speaker, most times.  If Presidential candidates were NFL Quarterbacks, Newt would be a sports reporter.

130 OTish: SCOAMF to speak at G20 at 10 am. Step away from your TV, do not put your foot through the screen, do not throw the remote.

131
A parable for Romney's relationship with conservatives in the age of the SCOAMF

_{(Links to an animated gif)}

132

 I know this goes against the HQ orthodoxy but I am okay with a path to citizenship for illegals, as long as it is a path that does not disadvantage those who are already in line to become citizens legally.

That path already exists, it's called "get in line."

What the Comprehensive Immigration Reform^TM advocates want is a short cut.

133 128 Bob Dole is tanned, rested and ready. Just sayin'... Posted by: Bob Dole! at November 04, 2011 09:02 AM (s7mIC) And we know you're up for it...

134 Why is Newt considered lazy?

He's never once finished NaNoWriMo.

135 Newt is that smartest guy in the room. He is also the least likeable guy in the room. He carries baggage that has the MSM salivating and sharpening cutlery. Good luck with that.

136 Vic doesnt believe in polls or even independents, he thinks Romney will lose the south. there's no point talking electability w/ him

I think he will lose all the close States like NC, OH, and VA where even a slight drop in Republican turnout will turn the election.

And if anyone ever publishes his MA record he will win no States in the South for the primary. The key is getting his record out there. So far NOBODY is doing that.

And no, the idea of a flip-flopping independent voting bloc of any size is a myth created by the MFM to help them pick our candidates for us.

137 What has The Newt done since exiting the House -- many years ago -- except sit around on his ever-expanding ass pontificating to Sean Hannity? Besides writing novels and leading his personal think tank to issue policy position after policy position ("American Solutions")? A lot more than a certain somebody that immediately comes to mind...

138 And no, the idea of a flip-flopping independent voting bloc of any size is a myth created by the MFM to help them pick our candidates for us.

Posted by: Vic at November 04, 2011 09:05 AM (YdQQY)

see what I mean? he made my case for me

139 That path already exists, it's called "get in line."

Well yeah, except in order to "get in line" one must admit one is here illegally.  That's kinda like drug dealers that want to become honest going to the police to sign up for a neighborhood watch program.

140 Yeah...I don't understand the Ace bashin that was goin down here yesterday. When I get my fill of a story or issue, I simply turn the TV or interwebs off, its easy, some folks should give it a try.

It's because so many of the Cult of St. Sarah jumped on the Cain bandwagon (especially after the filing deadline passed in a couple of states), and they can never, ever admit that any flaw pointed out in their candidate (first St. Sarah, and now St. Herman) could possibly have any validity at all, and if you report on it, you're a mean poopie head.

141 I can't wait for Rubio to be of POTUS age (experience-wise, that is). And whatever the fuck happened to Jindal? Why did HE not jump into this race??

142 Romney is our Clinton.

143

"Posted by: RINO VP AuthorLMendez, AKA YRM, Troll, Who Supports Banning Curious at November 04, 2011 09:00 AM (yAor6) "

There's a lot of projection on the "realist" side of the GOP camp. And just as much stupidity as on the purity side.

If issues really don't matter, the easiest way to secure the presidency to your side is to simply switch sides. There's a legitimate question raised by 'purists' - how much can you deviate before you are unacceptable? To a group of posters here, there is literally no point where you are not >>>obligated<<< to support a Republican. There's also a contingent that seem to see who the 'purists' like and decide, reflexively, that that person must be unacceptable.

Everybody says they would elect a ham sandwich over Obama, but lately I think people are relishing voting for a ham sandwich as some kind of weird establishment of 'cred.'

144

Liberals love to crow about how accurate Nate is. Of course, if I wasn't doing predictions until 10 minutes after the polls closed, I probably be running close to 100% correct too).

and yet Nate says Obama's got less then 50% chance at re-election

145 And whatever the fuck happened to Jindal? Why did HE not jump into this race?? Posted by: CoolCzech at November 04, 2011 09:07 AM (niZvt) Maybe Indians can't swim?

146 Romney is our Clinton.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 04, 2011 09:07 AM (vzFJV)

shit i'll take Clinton over Obama

147 148 Romney is our Clinton. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 04, 2011 09:07 AM (vzFJV) You mean he'd serve two terms? That's looking pretty good, right about now...

148 Maybe Indians can't swim?

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 04, 2011 09:08 AM (i6RpT)

BRO...

149 125 I know this goes against the HQ orthodoxy but I am okay with a path to citizenship for illegals, as long as it is a path that does not disadvantage those who are already in line to become citizens legally.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 04, 2011 09:01 AM (s7mIC)

Thats a completely reasonable position, the problem is the; as long as it is a path that does not disadvantage those who are already in line to become citizens legally- part. The devil is in the details and this important detail is sure to be forgotten and abused.

150

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at November 04, 2011 08:54 AM (rJVPU)

This right here is why I call AoSHQ home.  And Ace's insights.  And his 20,000 word movie reviews.  And the ONT.  And boobies & gun talk.  And ...

151 National Restaurant ASSOCIATION to make announcement? I hope they suggest some real good places to eat

152 On Hannity Radio Show yesterday: Hannity: "Let me as you about the accusation of you inviting a female co-worker back to your apartment. Did you have an apartment at the time?" Cain: "Noooooo. Hannity: "You didn't have use of an apartment back then?" Cain: " I had a corporate apartment out by the airport." Hmm mm.......

153 Vic is operating under the theory that about 1,000,000 less conservative votes did not show up in 2008 if you compare Bush 2004 totals and McCain's 2008 totals.

Actually I didn't look at the vote totals. I looked only at the States that had changed from red to blue. That is where it was evident that Republican turnout was low.

Under our current rules it goes by winning a State, not popular vote.....so far.

154 MITT FUCKING SUX!

155 125 I know this goes against the HQ orthodoxy but I am okay with a path to citizenship for illegals, as long as it is a path that does not disadvantage those who are already in line to become citizens legally.
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Same here, maybe to a greater degree, in that I never gave a shit, and probably never will. Grew up in San Diego where they were all over the place and never had a problem with them. Then moved to Ohio where I never see them. The ones I have a problem with are the 2nd gen (legal) mexicans in Ohio. Rarely meet one that isn't a lazy, bullshitting, mooching, dumb ass.

156 Cain: " I had a corporate apartment out by the airport." Hmm mm....... Posted by: Skeptical at November 04, 2011 09:10 AM (vFVJi) Isn't that where all the nudie bars are?

157 He is also the least likeable guy in the room.

Hi there!

158 From VHD"s article in the side bar:

The skeptics of 2008 proved prescient; those who demonized them should be embarrassed. And we should remember that candidates, of both parties, will govern mostly as they campaign. Slips are not indiscretions, but often will prove in hindsight windows of the soul.

Good advice when considering Mittens.

159 Cain: " I had a corporate apartment out by the airport." Hmm mm....... Posted by: Skeptical at November 04, 2011 09:10 AM (vFVJi) Good think Hannity didn't ask about the Corporate Sex Swing, waterbed, and monkey bars in the bedroom...

160

OT - Republican Sexual Harassment Furor Boosts Obama

Thank you, Ace, for all your hard work and dedication.

161 Hi there!

Posted by: Rick Santorum at November 04, 2011 09:11 AM (s7mIC)

Rick, Hunstman, Paul, Bachmann, are all least likable to me then Romney, Cain, Newt, or Perry

162

"Posted by: Rick Santorum at November 04, 2011 09:11 AM (s7mIC) "

To dislike you we'd have to know who the hell you are.

163

Thats a completely reasonable position, the problem is the; as long as it is a path that does not disadvantage those who are already in line to become citizens legally- part. The devil is in the details and this important detail is sure to be forgotten and abused.

Except it is not the "deport 'em all" position, which I thought was the orthodox HQ position.

164

Thank you, Ace, for all your hard work and dedication.

Posted by: President Barack Obama at November 04, 2011 09:12 AM (+inic)

Kind of a stretch to blame Ace for Cain's failings, doncha think?

165

Well yeah, except in order to "get in line" one must admit one is here illegally.  That's kinda like drug dealers that want to become honest going to the police to sign up for a neighborhood watch program.

That's their problem. There are a lot of people, including Mexicans, who followed the rules, paid their fees, waited, waited, and waited some more before finally getting their approval to immigrate. Any kind of short cut for illegals is a slap in the face to those who followed the rules; furthermore, it will not solve the problem but will instead encourage more rule-breakers.

However, I am willing to be magnanimous and grant that if said rule-breakers were to come forward, pay a hefty fine, and demonstrate that they have not violated any other laws while being here illegally, then I would allow them to stay BUT there would be no special pathway to citizenship for them. If they wanted citizenship they would have to get in line. And this would not be enacted until we started enforcing current laws and enacted tougher laws to punish the employers.

166 I'm tan, rested and ready ... and wearing my kilt! What up?

167 Rarely meet one that isn't a lazy, bullshitting, mooching, dumb ass.

Well, yes.  But they're that way because they've had everything handed to them on a silver platter (compared to what their lives would have been in their home country, anyway), and never had to pay for it, really.  Mom and Dad may have had a very good work ethic, but Juanito y Juanina only saw Mom and Dad cashing that State check, and going to Medicaid Providers, and abusing the Emergency room. 

Then, at school, they were catered to and spoiled because it wasn't "fair" to make them speak and learn in English, or to expect them to behave themselves.

So, as grown-ups, they're just like the OWS crowd- except smart enough to know they're moochers.

Yes, I live in Texas and deal with these kinds of people virtually every day.  Why do you ask?

168 skeptical he began the interview asking him if this was the story that cain thought would come out.....and cain answered....no this is not the story they thought would break.....and then went on to say he know what story would come out......he lost me at the beginning of the interview....

169

Posted by: President Barack Obama at November 04, 2011 09:12 AM (+inic)

article shows it's total bs in various areas:

The rare instance of infighting in a party known for its unity

what?!

There have also been signs that the U.S. economic recovery, expected to be the most important issue in the 2012 election, is on track. On Wednesday, data showed U.S. private employers added more jobs than expected last month, raising hopes that Friday's October unemployment report might show improvement from the September's 9.1 percent rate.

yeah .1% better, oh boy/s

170 Except it is not the "deport 'em all" position, which I thought was the orthodox HQ position.

There are some who support that, but not all. I don't. I think that is a strawman argument the amnesty people like to raise.

The key is to punish the people who knowingly hire them. Even that bill Lamar Smith is pushing for E-verify doesn't do that. Which makes that bill another POS designed to fool the voters.

171 Kind of a stretch to blame Ace for Cain's failings, doncha think?

Yeah I don't get it.  Cain has skeletons in his closet, and somehow Ace is at fault for bringing them up over a year before the general election?

Suppose Cain is the nominee.  Would it have been a better situation if Ace et al. had said nothing about the sexual harrassment, and instead relied on Dem strategists to bring it up right before the election, a la Bush's drunk driving charges in 2000?

172 And no, the idea of a flip-flopping independent voting bloc of any size is a myth created by the MFM to help them pick our candidates for us. Posted by: Vic at November 04, 2011 09:05 AM Where is Mitrack O'bamney anyway? He hasn't been on a Sunday show since the middle of 2010. I havn't even seen a decent policy speech. It's like someone said the other day, He has placed himself in the Mittness protection Program. He can't, shouldn't and won't win.

173 Except it is not the "deport 'em all" position, which I thought was the orthodox HQ position.

I think the orthodoxy at the HQ is even split on that.  I'm not exactly "soft" on illegals, but I admit deporting them all would be problematic, at best.

One of the Palinista explained yesterday that those pesky primary rules would be changed to allow Palin to jump back into the race.

Where do they get their drugs?  I'd really like to get my hands on some.

174 I have reached my saturation point. It is not the "all Cain all the time", it is a combination of "Romney is a flip-flipper, but get used to it because he is inevitable" and "Perry screwed up in the debates and blew it". It makes no sense that Romney can overcome everything, and Perry can't overcome anything. Other than here with you guys (my imaginary friends), nobody I know has watched the debates. My 4 kids are aware of the Cain debacle, and 3 of them think he is guilty. The other has no opinion (possibly because he is my only son), and they all are in the Ron Paul camp. what I am most concerned about, though, is that all this talk about Cain gives the MSM cover to ignore Fast & Furious, Solydra, and Corzine. Corzine should be huge, because he was considered for Secretary of Treasury, but the whole thing seems like a footnote to Cain.

175 163 He is also the least likeable guy in the room. Hi there! Posted by: Rick Santorum at November 04, 2011 09:11 AM (s7mIC) Move over pal.

176 The rare instance of infighting in a party known for its unity

LOL yup clearly written by a liberal Dem who knows nothing about Republicans except what she reads at Daily Kos and hears on NPR

177

This kind of story tends to much haftin me all uproared! FYNQ!

178 Where is Mitrack O'bamney anyway? He hasn't been on a Sunday show since the middle of 2010. I havn't even seen a decent policy speech. It's like someone said the other day, He has placed himself in the Mittness protection Program.

He can't, shouldn't and won't win.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 04, 2011 09:16 AM (ZDUD4)

he's using a run the clock out strategy which can help or hurt

he better not use that in the General because that's how Dewey lost in 48

179

Good think Hannity didn't ask about the Corporate Sex Swing, waterbed, and monkey bars in the bedroom...

That's obviously not the point. Cain said he didn't have an apartment and then on the very NEXT question he admitted he did!

You don't have a problem with that?

He is either very confused or a liar.

 

180 Yeah I don't get it.  Cain has skeletons in his closet, and somehow Ace is at fault for bringing them up over a year before the general election?

While he didn't break the, ah, story, ah, he has been most, ah, helpful to us in helping to, ah, big it up to, ah, make it seems worse than, ah, it likely is.  Especially with, ah, helping to use his blog, ah, to divide conservatives, ah, so that his guy, ah, Perry has a shot again.  Trust me, ah, I want to run against, ah, Perry more than, ah, against Cain.

181 Where do they get their drugs?  I'd really like to get my hands on some.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 04, 2011 09:17 AM (8y9MW)

c4p will prob hook you up

182 Trust me, ah, I want to run against, ah, Perry more than, ah, against Cain.

Why is that, Mr. SCOAMFOTUS?

183 I think these Flip Flop Romney posts need their own version of the flaming skull? Perhaps a pair of flaming flip-flops? these issues aren't going away.

184 He is either very confused or a liar. Posted by: TypicalWhitey at November 04, 2011 09:19 AM (xeVap) There is a third option which I actually think is the one: He is a very BAD liar

185 146 Yeah...I don't understand the Ace bashin that was goin down here yesterday. When I get my fill of a story or issue, I simply turn the TV or interwebs off, its easy, some folks should give it a try.

It's because so many of the Cult of St. Sarah jumped on the Cain bandwagon (especially after the filing deadline passed in a couple of states), and they can never, ever admit that any flaw pointed out in their candidate (first St. Sarah, and now St. Herman) could possibly have any validity at all, and if you report on it, you're a mean poopie head.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 04, 2011 09:07 AM (8y9MW)

I refuse to let myself become that emotionally invested in a politician afterall they are POLITICIANS. This is something Libs do. For me, being a conservative means not placing my future in the hands of anyone. In a perfect world I would vote for the person that would most likely afford me that right.

 

186 Trust me, ah, I want to run against, ah, Perry more than, ah, against Cain.

Posted by: President Barack Obama at November 04, 2011 09:19 AM (+inic)

surrreee

187 It would seem to me that Obama would rather run against Cain than against Perry.  Perry actually has a record and has actually received a lot of votes in an election before.

188 Oh good, another thread trashing our nominee and the next president of the United States. Are we all having fun?  Romney is to the right of Perry on immigration, odd there was no mention of that.  Who even knows what Cain's position is?  Newt has shilled for amnesty in the past too by the way. 

At some point this self-flagellation needs to end. It isn't news that we don't have a perfect Conservative candidate who has a chance of beating Obama, I faced that months ago.  It dawned on me that Romney is the only credible, vetted candidate that can campaign against this moron Obama.  He will also do quite well in the debates.  His economic credentials are solid which is what the election will be about.  Just sayin'....

189

I haven't been over there in awhile...what is it like since Sarah said she wasn't going to run. Have they had suicide watches?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 04, 2011 09:21 AM (OWjjx)

I have no clue, last I saw they were going off about RINO Ann Coulter and RINO this and RINO that

190 It would seem to me that Obama would rather run against Cain than against Perry.  Perry actually has a record and has actually received a lot of votes in an election before.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 04, 2011 09:21 AM (s7mIC)

+1

191

192 There is a poll over at hotair via headlines saying Cain is not hurt since this whole media kerfuffle. It's one poll but eh, as long as Romney does not get the nod who cares. He is shit

193 A lot more than a certain somebody that immediately comes to mind...

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 04, 2011 09:06 AM (niZvt)

Would you please show a modicum of human decency and compassion? Mitt was unemployed too, you know?

194

surrreee

Posted by: RINO VP AuthorLMendez, AKA YRM, Troll, Who Supports Banning Curious at November 04, 2011 09:21 AM (yAor6)

It actually does make sense.  Barry's a racist asshole and tremendously self-conscious about the fact he's 'only' half-black.  On a personal level I don't think he wants to run against a black candidate. 

195

Trust me, ah, I want to run against, ah, Perry more than, ah, against Cain.

Why is that, Mr. SCOAMFOTUS?

I'm assuming he's going by current polls, which will mean nothing once the general ramps up. Heck, they won't be worth anything in a few weeks.

196 Romney can flip-flop all he wants but I ain't votin' for no Mormon, unless he flips his religious affiliations.

197 There is a poll over at hotair via headlines saying Cain is not hurt since this whole media kerfuffle. It's one poll but eh, as long as Romney does not get the nod who cares. He is shit Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 04, 2011 09:23 AM (mO0EI) Way to early see the effect of the Cain crap in polls just yet. Give it another 2 weeks and you'll see an effect

198

No need for the US to deport all the illegals.  They are the equivalent of squatters in our society.  Deport them as we catch them in the normal course of enforcing the current laws as written.  Deport them for criminal/violent acts other than being here illegally.  Any felony, fraud, or upon 3rd misdemeanor.  Many others will self-deport. 

The ones who stay and don't commit anti-social criminal acts go so far to the back of the line that there is a gap between the forward part of their cluster and the end of the line.

199 the swing wasn't in the apt...it was in the condo......an apt and condo are two different things..... talk about parsing.....settlement versus agreement....yes they are two very different things but for GOD's sake.....he didn't realize what he was being asked in the context of the conversation? i don't think he is an out of the box thinker....i think he's literal and that is not a good thing......

200 I refuse to let myself become that emotionally invested in a politician afterall they are POLITICIANS.

Thus the reason I quit reading C4P, and why I love making fun of her Cultists.

Perhaps oddly, I'm not against Palin at all, and I can see how (if she'll get her act together) she could be a potential candidate in (God help us) '12 or '16.  But her cultists are annoying as all heck.

201 He ran a conservative "think-tank" and internet site. (Which I signed up for and still get e-mails from him). His major function with the site and the org was to sell books.

The site has since became his campaign site.

Posted by: Vic at November 04, 2011 08:45 AM (YdQQY)

Several pretty good to very good alt-history novels have been published since he was Speaker with his name on them as co-author, but how much he actually had to do with the writing of them is something I don't know.

202 The more I hear about Romney, I would really like to know why a vote for him isn't just another vote for Obama and his agenda.  It really seems like saying, "I like Obama's agenda and the direction he's taking the country, I just don't like him personally."

203 OT: yesterday's sidebar had the US Navy's 1,000th shot from its railgun, today we have NASA researching tractor beams.  I'm having an awesomeness overload!

204

Sorry, but I still think Gingrich is as much a hack politician as any

Oh, I never meant to imply that I don't think Newt is anthing other than a hack politician, I just don't think he's lazy. 

205

I hate to say it, but right now, watching Cain stumble around, I would vote for Romney before Cain.

Herman may be a charistmatic person but as a politician he is still very much a Rookie.

yep, he's one of the few who'd make me hold my nose and vote for Mitt in the primary

206 Mittens may be a flip-flopping-RINO-bastard, but at least he is our flip-flopping-RINO-bastard (only if, somehow he goes against SCOMF).

207

Yes Gabe, but can you actually prove Romney flip flopped on anything.

 

208 215 beckoningChasm oh dear, now you've done it......

209 That poll is the latest Ras poll the key to that was in the internals. It said 95% of the respondents (in SC at least) believed that the allegations were another Anita Hill type smear job.

IOW they did to believe the allegations. The polls were also BEFORE Cain falsely accused the Perry camp which will piss a lot of people off. As Cain continues to flounder on this issue that 95% will start to rapidly change their minds.

It will be interesting to see the next non-news poll done in a few more days.

210 While he didn't break the, ah, story, ah, he has been most, ah, helpful to us in helping to, ah, big it up to, ah, make it seems worse than, ah, it likely is.  Especially with, ah, helping to use his blog, ah, to divide conservatives, ah, so that his guy, ah, Perry has a shot again.  Trust me, ah, I want to run against, ah, Perry more than, ah, against Cain.

Posted by: President Barack Obama at November 04, 2011 09:19 AM (+inic)

Pure, raw, unadulterated horse shit.

211

but how much he actually had to do with the writing of them is something I don't know.

he's not the only one I wonder that about

*cough* Beck *cough*

212 Way to early see the effect of the Cain crap in polls just yet. Give it another 2 weeks and you'll see an effect

I don't believe that.  It's been covered pretty thoroughly, so people know about it.  I think what's happening instead is that he's getting a pass on his "handling" of the situation, and people are taking a "wait and see" approach to the allegations.

If even one of them proves to be substantial and have some corroboration (even if it turns out to be a "grey" case), I think that support will evaporate.

213

To those who believe that this discussion is self-flagellation or friendly fire, let me make this observation; this election is not about us.  The great majority of elections are about the undecideds, iow the people without opinions.  That hardly describes the crowd here.

I would be shocked to find that the ultimate R nominee didn't receive 99.9% of the votes on this forum, whoever we end up with.  We're just talking about our preferences. 

214 maddogg how are you? where have you been?

215

Firing Squad!

Yes Sir!

Form your circle!

Yes sir!

Fire!

Bam!

Some of us are dead, others mortally wounded, but some of us survive sir!

Those of you still alive, form a circle!

Yes sir!

Fire!

216

Perry > Gingrich > Romney

 

Don't get me wrong, i know ginrich is a hack, but so is Romney. I just prefer Gingrich's hackery to Romneys.

Also the Perry immigration thing doesn't bother me so much. I'm a 1,000 miles away from the border and the only time I see hispanic people are when I go to a Mexican restaurant. So it's easy for me to be a hardline immigration hawk. It's not so easy when you share your entire southern border with Mexico and have a state made up of a large percentage of Mexicans.

Besides, as Gabe has pointed out above, it's not as though Romney is actually to the right of Perry on this issue. He just pretends to be.

217

The more I hear about Romney, I would really like to know why a vote for him isn't just another vote for Obama and his agenda.

Mitt has created pirvate sector jobs, Obama hasn't

Mitt knows how to turn things around (companies, olympics), Obama hasn't

Romney's had surplus, Obama's had new record deficits

we can start there

218 Pure, raw, unadulterated horse shit.

No.  Horse shit is worth something, at least as fertilizer.

219

Posted by: Ben at November 04, 2011 09:30 AM (wuv1c)

Ben, get ready to vote Newt because I have a feeling he'll be the #2 guy in a month's time

220

There is a poll over at hotair via headlines saying Cain is not hurt since this whole media kerfuffle. It's one poll but eh, as long as Romney does not get the nod who cares. He is shit

 

Were you seeing the same poll I was?

 A Quinnipiac poll launched before the scandal broke and ending Monday had Cain at 30 percent among registered voters, up from 17 percent in early October

At 23 percent nationally, Cain is neck-and-neck with Romney (24 percent) atop the GOP field. Taken after the scandle broke.

Not sure how going from 30% to 23% is "not hurt".

Also:

At the same time, there is clearly a risk to CainÂ’s campaign should the allegations stick: Sizable numbers of Republicans (37 percent) and GOP-leaning independents (42 percent) see the allegations against Cain as serious ones. In this combined group, Romney is well ahead, with 31 percent support. Cain slips numerically into third place, behind Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

221

I would be shocked to find that the ultimate R nominee didn't receive 99.9% of the votes on this forum, whoever we end up with.  We're just talking about our preferences. 

10% of the people here like to announce "I will NOT vote for X. I have principles (even though they usually spell it "principals"). It would be better to have the republicans lose if X is the winner. Then we can start all over again."

Meanwhile the country gets closer to becomes bananarepublicdom.

222 Ben, get ready to vote Newt because I have a feeling he'll be the #2 guy in a month's time

Can't talk for Ben, but as long as Perry's name is on that ballot next year, I'm voting Perry.

223 I don't believe that. It's been covered pretty thoroughly, so people know about it. I think what's happening instead is that he's getting a pass on his "handling" of the situation, and people are taking a "wait and see" approach to the allegations. If even one of them proves to be substantial and have some corroboration (even if it turns out to be a "grey" case), I think that support will evaporate. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 04, 2011 09:29 AM (8y9MW) His supporter are pretty fervent and hard core. It will take time for these allegations to start harming him in the polls, but it will, especially if more comes out and I have a hunch it will

224 On Newt's books what I have seen is the historical novels are co-written. The political books are written singly by him.

Keep in mind that the "books" are what got him in trouble in the House.  (or at least that was the published excuse for what was obviouslt a power war in the House Republican Party)

225 Way to early see the effect of the Cain crap in polls just yet. Give it another 2 weeks and you'll see an effect Posted by: nevergiveup at November 04, 2011 09:24 AM I don't think you will. Those that support Cain seem to support him for two reasons. He's not a Politician and they like him. I occasionally watch TMZ and something the idiot surfer kid said sort of stuck. They were talking about Cain and he said' " I don't care about this political stuff, but I like Herman Cain." If we can think back a couple years, isn't that how Obama got elected? A bunch of people that don't don't know shit about politics or the issues "Liked Him?" We here are not America, not even close. If anything we are some cultish perverted Alcohol soaked conservative think tank. Herman is dancing to the band, not hoping for another one. He has a shot.

226 Would it have been a better situation if Ace et al. had said nothing about the sexual harrassment, and instead relied on Dem strategists to bring it up right before the election, a la Bush's drunk driving charges in 2000?
Posted by: chemjeff at November 04, 2011 09:15 AM

My only beef with Ace's coverage of the Cain issue is this: he immediately jumped on the bandwagon of assertions, allegations and rumors being spread by Bullshitico and by "people he knows," instead of calling for names, dates and specific incidents. He then followed up by trashing anyone -- me included -- who insisted that anything less than facts is unfair to Cain and to us.

If -- IF -- it turns out that someone actually comes forward and sheds the cloak of anonymity while offering some kind of proof that there was harassment, then I agree that Cain is toast and should drop out.

Otherwise, we are allowing the bar for candidate smears to drop lower and lower, just as the Democrats want it.

For me, at least, this is not so much about Cain as it is about a general erosion of standards.

And yes, in the interest of full disclosure, Cain and Perry remain my top choices. Flawed, yes, but IMO our best opportunities to start putting the destruction wrought by the Osama Obama regime behind us.

227 228 maddogg

how are you? where have you been?

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 04, 2011 09:29 AM (SH3gZ)

Well, since me and Ace had our little falling out, I was gone for a month or so, then back under a variety of nics, including Snort! (tha wunder hawg), The Remorseless Chicken of War, Gandalf the Erect, among others. Hope you are well.

228

10% of the people here like to announce "I will NOT vote for X. I have principles (even though they usually spell it "principals"). It would be better to have the republicans lose if X is the winner. Then we can start all over again."

Meanwhile the country gets closer to becomes bananarepublicdom.

Posted by: dagny at November 04, 2011 09:32 AM (/TFUb)

+1 *whimpers*

229 10% of the people here like to announce

Yeah, but I just see that as "venting."  I figure maybe 1 in 10 of those will actually not vote for the eventual nominee.

230 You do know the immigration Reform Plan was different in 2007 than the 2005 plan right?

231 Can't talk for Ben, but as long as Perry's name is on that ballot next year, I'm voting Perry.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 04, 2011 09:32 AM (8y9MW)

ok get ready to go for plan B, seriously think Perry drops out after "Super Tuesday" or FL. then my brother can masturbate to his ridicilous Perry hate. ugh.

232
I have principles (even though they usually spell it "principals").

I have the same pet peeve (among many others).  Leave it to the Dukies on the board to be sticklers for grammar and spelling.

233 Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 04, 2011 09:33 AM (ZDUD4) People like to back winners and as this continues to percolate and his support drops slightly and the slightly more, it will reach the edge of a cliff and well....goodbye Cain

234

hey at least Bachmann and Newt have won something before, unlike Cain

Posted by: RINO VP AuthorLMendez, AKA YRM, Troll, Who Supports Banning Curious at November 04, 2011 08:57 AM (yAor6)

Georgia Republican Senate Primary 2004

Isakson - 53.2%

Cain - 26.2%

Collins - 20.6%

I don't remember it being a big deal, but the Wiki entry does mention Cain getting accused of being pro-affirmative action. Apparently, the strategy against Cain was to accuse him of being a moderate rather than a conservative.

235 Qualification to my last post:
There are some of us in states where our votes really don't matter.  Texas, for instance.  NY or CA.  You'll probably have a higher percentage of those (fron this forum) not voting for the Candidate, simply because- if we don't have to hold our nose, we don't want to.

But we'll still show up at the polls and vote in down-ticket races.

BTW- Texas Morons:  Does anyone have any good links where I can compare the candidates in our Senate Race?  I know people think Ted Cruz is the bee's knees and the cat's pajamas, but I don't like the idea of yet another lawyer going into the Senate.

236
I was told there was to be no spelling, grammer or math in this here blog.

There ain't, but that won't stop us from bitching about it.  In the general spirit of the proceedings, of course.

237 nevergiveup at November 04, 2011 09:35 AM We shall see, but it will prolly be Perry or Cain, maybe gingrich if there is some sort of plane crash. The hatred for Romney is too deep.

238 oh I see a new thread is up and thus why polynikes showed up

239 The hatred for Romney is too deep. Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 04, 2011 09:39 AM (ZDUD4) I wasn't really commenting on whether Romney will go up, I am not so sure he will, only on the fact that Cain will eventually go down

240
I'm not a Cain supporter but I do love his Honey Badger attitude. The level of attention (and hate) paid to him over something we know so little about is way too much. The facts will come out soon enough to make a rational judgment about it. The current feeding frenzy is the realm of fools.

I'm not a Newt supporter either, but I do love his FYNQ attitude. He doesn't accept the premise of idiotic questions by debate moderators and isn't afraid to bitch slap them.

Neither one has a snowball's chance in hell but both possess admirable traits lacking in the main contenders.

Instead of tearing these guys down we should be demanding others, like Perry and Romney, strap on a set of balls using Cain and Newt as examples. Instead, we simply accept them as they are and instead viciously attack those showing at least some core conservative principles. That 'aint no path to a conservative (or even a GOP) victory.

241

Also the Perry immigration thing doesn't bother me so much. I'm a 1,000 miles away from the border and the only time I see hispanic people are when I go to a Mexican restaurant. So it's easy for me to be a hardline immigration hawk. It's not so easy when you share your entire southern border with Mexico and have a state made up of a large percentage of Mexicans.

 

At 6-hours from the border, why does hearing a 4 - 5 year old whine and do the hat dance meltdown in the Halloween candyaisle at Krogers in Spanish bother me so?  Ditto for ToysRUs at Christmas time.  Can't understand the person at the drive thru window.  Have to carve out a Go Tejano Day! from the World's Biggest Rodeo to appease the locals and even then that isn't enough.  Have to see more Mexican flags and banners waving in support of the Mexican national soccer club than for the USA at the USA/Mexico soccer match held in my USA hometown.

Oh, it is very easy to be a hardline immigration hawk at 6 hours from the border.

242 OT: Don Surber's answer to the 99%:

http://tinyurl.com/6edblxu

243 The more I hear about Romney, I would really like to know why a vote for him isn't just another vote for Obama and his agenda.  It really seems like saying, "I like Obama's agenda and the direction he's taking the country, I just don't like him personally."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 04, 2011 09:26 AM (i0App)

1-3 (at least) Supreme Court nominees. We'll probably hate the ones that Romney pics, but we'll hate ones picked by Obama a LOT more.

244 Has Romney flipped on Romneycare yet?   It seems to be within his nature, as a shape-shifter, I mean.

245 Desperate much?

What a heaping pile of nothing.

Want to open the door on Perry on immigration, not smart.

246

I have principles (even though they usually spell it "principals").

I have the same pet peeve (among many others). Leave it to the Dukies on the board to be sticklers for grammar and spelling.

I always imagine a guy standing with a crowd of Mr. Witherspoon type characters yelling, "I have principals!"

247 Illegal immigration isn't just limited to the border states. Jersey and PA are loaded with them....and not just Hispanics.

248 So I thought I'd check. It turns out...

That's what has happened to me every time I've dug into his - rather limited and somewhat dusty - record. 

BTW, Mr. Electable is keynoting at a Koch Bros founded organization tonight.  That'll play over great with Indies. 

249

State statistics for illegals

There are some surprises on here. MA is 15,

250 Romney is a scumbag who I never want to see as president. A gallup poll came out today saying he is tied nationally with the one. TIED. He has not even been through the media ringer! Romneybots are going to be in for a rude awakening.

251 There is one, as I'm sure has been pointed out: He has always been consistent in his support for an individual mandate as enacted under Romenycare.

Which, as his supporters will tell you, is just like Reagan and has always been a conservative position that even the TEA Party has adopted . . . .

Now, if you are one of those who think we need to fence the entire border--you might reconsider you party affiliation, you'd be better served on Ron Paul's staff or hanging around with the John Birch Society.
Let me put you some facts: 1) It isn't happening, 2) It will never happen, 3) It isn't practical, 4) It will never be practical.
And if you point to the Great Wall; congratulations! You're historically and geographically illiterate.
Which, of course, seems to be a membership requirement to join the "fence the border" crowd.

252 Murdering babies in the womb a "deeply held core belief" of most Americans.

253 Don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but...

There's one issue where Romney HAS taken a firm and unwavering stance.

His defense of Romneycare.  The man is willing to shift in the wind on every other issue except that one - the one that eventually spawned Obamacare and contributed greatly to damaging the MA economy.

Why?

Answer that question, and I believe you see the true Mitt Romney.

254 Damn, Jimmuy!  You beat me to it!

255

Still on the Perry wagon myself. ....He has the best record, of all of them.

That "You don't have a heart" remark he made was really stupid though. I don't blame people for being offended by it.

I am used to hearing that phrase though. Maybe it's a regional thang? .....Every time I make my killer chocolate chip cookies....my husband accuses me of 'not having a heart', because he can't resist eating a dozen of them while they're hot and gooey right out of the oven.

Mitt? ....Meh. I hope is not our nominee. I will have to drink heavily on election day to be able to pull that lever for him. ....What should concern us all though, is the very real possibility that a lot of people would stay home.

256 the heartless comment didn't even phase me.....probably because i am heartless.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid..can i get a different flavor? at November 04, 2011 08:22 AM (SH3gZ)

Me too.  Probably because I'd already done my homework on the whole thing.  Caused me to rethink my own views on the subject.  Hey, if Texas wants to do it, so what.  Plus Perry doesn't believe in amnesty, so I'm cool with him on immigration.

Plus, living in California where they actually want to give taxpayer's money/preferential treatment (ala Brown's Dream Act) to these people and not American kids does give me a different perspective.

The anti-Dream act crowd here is working to get a proposition on the ballot to overturn this shameful giveaway.  And I think it will pass ... people are pissed.

I think people who got all miffed at that remark weren't leaning for Perry no matter what they say.  I think they're mostly Palin/Bachmann peeps.  These are the people who went to Cain, IMO, not Perry people.  I think the Perry supporters suspended their support and are in the undecided category, with some going to Newt.  But Cain supporters?  Most defintely the majority are from Bachmann and Palin camps.  Hence, the knee-jerkiness and the "it just feels right" mentality.

257

Flip-flopping on immigration is precisely what I wish Perry would do.  But he won't, either because he's arrogant, and thinks the voters should have to take whatever he is without him bending any, or he really believes that crap about how we have to have a heart and let illegals run roughshod all over us.

 

258 172

It's because so many of the Cult of St. Sarah jumped on the Cain bandwagon (especially after the filing deadline passed in a couple of states), and they can never, ever admit that any flaw pointed out in their candidate (first St. Sarah, and now St. Herman) could possibly have any validity at all, and if you report on it, you're a mean poopie head.

Your behind the times. One of the Palinista explained yesterday that those pesky primary rules would be changed to allow Palin to jump back into the race.

Those rules, put in place by the establishment, and can only be changed by the establishment, which, last time I remember, the Palinista complained that the estbalishment hates Sarah, but the establishment is going to change the rules for Sarah. Or something.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 04, 2011 09:14 AM (OWjjx)

There are two camps the Palinistas are split into. The first is the Cain camp, witness Hillbuzz as Exhibit 1. Why? I don't know. They flirted with Perry, then jumped whole hog on Cain. The second is the camp that still thinks Palin will get in. They also largely support Cain as they see a fractured conservative vote will be united behind Palin riding in on her shining white snowmobile.

As for those who actually genuinely support Cain? I know, I know: If only we would have ignored all this the Democrats would never, ever have used it. And then we could be spending our time talking about how great things will be under the Cain Presidency. He'd probably pay our mortgage and buy us gas and give us jobs and get countries to respect us again and restore our civil liberties and . . . .

259 What does he really believe about immigration policy? I'm sure he'll tell us again.

What do you want me to believe? I'm just an empty container for you to pour all of your hopes and dreams into.

I am Obama, without the tan.

260

Flip-flopping on immigration is precisely what I wish Perry would do.  But he won't, either because he's arrogant, and thinks the voters should have to take whatever he is without him bending any, or he really believes that crap about how we have to have a heart and let illegals run roughshod all over us.

 

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 04, 2011 10:38 AM (epBek)

Wow, a post chock full of hyperbolic bullshit.  Never thought I'd see that here.

Two words - perspective and proportion.  Learn them.  Use them.

261 Has Romney flipped on Romneycare yet?   It seems to be within his nature, as a shape-shifter, I mean.

Posted by: Fritz at November 04, 2011 09:48 AM (/ZZCn)

He's consciously chosen not to flip on that issue, to break the myth he is a flip-flopper.  Because that would do that.  Somehow.

262 269 Damn, Jimmuy!  You beat me to it!

Posted by: grognard at November 04, 2011 10:08 AM (xMJlE)

I'm shocked that it took 265 comments to get around to pointing out Romney has always been consistent on his support for Romneycare--either we're slipping or we all just assume every one knows that. 

And it is scary as hell: The one issue--the only issue!--where if he flip-flopped he'd actually get praise from the base and instead he keeps pissing on us and telling us how nice it is when it rains.

263 25 I'm to the point that I look at it this way. All we will be doing in the next Presidential election is removing Obama from office. I can't see any of the potentials as actually leading on any major government reforms. That leadership will have to from congress if it comes at all. If it don't we'll just be treading water till the next election. At least we won't continue to make things far worse.
Uplifting isn't it?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 04, 2011 08:01 AM (GZitp) 

I believe Cain, Ron Paul, Perry, and Newt will genuinely TRY to lead major government reforms. What concerns me is a Congress led by Squishes may not be willing to go along with it (remember Bush's attempt to get SS reform rolling and what happened?) It's important to rid ourselves of Boehner and McConnell as leaders and get principled CONSERVATIVES as the House and Senate leaders (or at least see those people put into the leadership chain).

My opinion on Romney is he won't try to lead reforms. I believe he will simply go-along-to-get-along and always keeps his eye on ways to get re-elected, rather than principle or what is right for the country. I HOPE I'm wrong.

This election is more important than getting rid of Obama. The country is on the brink, and I don't think another W-type presidency will prevent the collapse.

264 Damn sock.

265

Gabriel, don't waste your time knocking Romney....the only thing you ever need to do is every three or four days create a two sentence post with the headline - ROMNEYCARE, are you really going to vote for this guy?

Nothing else matters.  He should be in the political trashpile of history as far as Americans are concerned.  Require me to buy insurance, sheesh who the hell does he think he is, Stalin?

266 Romney focuses on the future. Petty losers are focused on tired, ten year old so-called quotes. Romney Today: "Romney said he'd also eliminate federal subsidies for Amtrak and reduce federal support for the National Endowment for the Arts, The National Endowment for the Humanities, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Some programs would be easy to cut because "I just don't like them," Romney said, while others might be harder but worth it. He specifically referenced the $1.6 billion in federal subsidies for Amtrak. He also called for cuts in foreign aid, noting that the U.S. provides $10 million to one of its creditors, China. "It's not very much money but just the idea just galls me," Romney said. Arguing that fiscal responsibility is the "moral choice," Romney offered as an evidence of his belt-tightening expertise the early days of Bain Capital, an investment firm he co-founded. Employees worked out of an empty warehouse in a supermarket parking lot, and Romney said he required them to pay for the pizza and Coke served at board meetings."

267

Nothing else matters. He should be in the political trashpile of history as far as Americans are concerned. Require me to buy insurance, sheesh who the hell does he think he is, Stalin?

Posted by: doug at November 04, 2011 11:13 AM (gUGI6)

Back in the day, mandates were hip and cool AND conservative, just ask the R-bots, they will be happy to tell you so.

268 Back in the day, mandates were hip and cool AND conservative, just ask the R-bots, they will be happy to tell you so. Posted by: Red Shirt at November 04, 2011 11:16 AM (FIDMq) Or you can ask Jim DeMint, RomneyCare fan: http://tiny.cc/dys0l

269

 Winning at November 04, 2011 11:20 AM

So Jim Demint's ok makes the individual mandate a conservative principle?

270

Romney hates the Flat Tax as well.

He doesn't think the tax system is as broken as it is. Of course, as he raised taxes in Mass. to help balance the budget, I wonder just how aggressive he'd be in renewing the Bush Tax Cuts he opposed or even reducing the tax rate period.

271 Romneybots are going to be in for a rude awakening.

They've got no idea what's coming. The MFM have been game planning him for years now, and it's going to be like the Raiders facing Gruden in the Superbowl, except more lopsided.

272 Romney's never been firm on anything.

273 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

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