THis wont be good for food or fuel prices.

IIRC, Egypt doesn't export any oil.  However, widespread unrest would threaten the world's supply of souvenir papyrus heiroglyphic paintings.

Democracy in Egypt would be a bad bad thing.

We have a dilemna in many middle eastern nations. The pro western autocratic leaders are the only think keeping their nations from becoming theocracies, however at the same time the authoritarian leaders are the very thing keeping the societies and economies stagnant.

If there were elections in Egypt, they would be undoubtably won by the Muslim Brotherhood and their first act would be do undo the peace agreement with Israel.

We would be back to the 1950s and 1960s.  All the progress would be undone in one fell swoop.

Egypt has produced M1A1 tanks under license for a decade (~500).  The muslim brotherhood is having nocturnal emissions over the prospect of getting their hands on those.  And as has been hinted at in earlier comments, democracy is synonymous with islamification accross the Arab states, imo.

Two bits says Barry hints at supporting the protestors in this case unlike the Iranian protestors.

THis wont be good for food or fuel prices.

IIRC, Egypt doesn't export any oil.  However, widespread unrest would threaten the world's supply of souvenir papyrus heiroglyphic paintings.

Indeed, but I'm willing to bet at least some oil passes through the Suez Canal, as well as a large part of the worlds dry goods shipping.

I highly doubt the US, Israel or Europe would allow for it to fall into the hands of theocrats. It was one thing for Nasser to hold it in 1956, but Islamic Fundementalists at war with the west?

Democracy in Egypt would be a bad bad thing.

Posted by: Ben at January 25, 2011 04:10 PM (wuv1c)

True - it's conundrum.  In muslim lands all of the X-ocracies and Y-archies fail.  You can't govern the ungovernable. 

Are you kidding me? We make our tanks in Egypt??

Jesus Christ, do we make anything related to our defense?  what in the hell happens if we get involved in a major war, we won't have the infrastructure, experience or technical know how to make our own stuff.

what in the hell happens if we get involved in a major war.....

Ben, I think France makes our white flags but they are probably on strike.

Are you kidding me? We make our tanks in Egypt??

Jesus Christ, do we make anything related to our defense? what in the hell happens if we get involved in a major war, we won't have the infrastructure, experience or technical know how to make our own stuff.

Posted by: Ben at January 25, 2011 04:17 PM (wuv1c)

Um, are you snarking? Egypt produces M1s as a licensee. They're not as good as the ones we make here and probably have a kill switch embedded in the chips.

ohhhh ok. Jeez, for a second there I thought you were telling me we had our tanks made in Egypt. Whew.

I was willing to believe it because i know that a lot of parts for our equipment are in fact made in china and other countries. I was worried we outsourced entire weapons platforms and not just parts of thhem

Indeed, but I'm willing to bet at least some oil passes through the Suez Canal, as well as a large part of the worlds dry goods shipping.

I highly doubt the US, Israel or Europe would allow for it to fall into the hands of theocrats. It was one thing for Nasser to hold it in 1956, but Islamic Fundementalists at war with the west?
-----
Bingo.

Actually I've been giving that more thought.

I'm willing to bet most of China's goods come to Europe by ship from the South China Sea, through the Indian Ocean, through the Suez Canal to europe.

So add China to the list of nations who have an extremely high interest in keeping that canal open at all costs.

'All these "grassroots uprisings" are about imposing sharia, not democracy.'

Right on target.  The only functional or semi-functional democracies in the Middle East are Israel and Iraq.  Not that Bush will ever receive any credit.

Iran might also have had the opportunity to move in this direction with their nascent protests a year or so ago.  Unfortunately they made the mistake of looking to Obama for help in their battle for freedom, a man who has the heart of a marxist and the soul of an islamist.

Hey, did you all see my Documentary about Burning Man?  The DVD is available on Amazon!

Posted by: Scott at January 25, 2011 04:27 PM (NvCM6)

So your cruise will look a lot like Apocolpyse Now. That makes it that much more memorable.

I read somewhere that a Warthog's main cannon, which fires depleted uranium rounds, if it could fire long enough without the barrel getting soft, would stop it in mid air.

That's an awesome piece of American military hardware. Had a buddy who liked to send me pix of A-10's in various states of shooted-upiness, holes all over, and could still put up a fight and land with no problem.

Iran might also have had the opportunity to move in this direction with their nascent protests a year or so ago.  Unfortunately they made the mistake of looking to Obama for help in their battle for freedom, a man who has the heart of a marxist and the soul of an islamist.

PRESENT!!!1111111111111!!

The ground pounders in Iraq were glad we still had them and some things are not solved by tech but brute strength

According to my brother (ex-army) there's still not a better tank-buster around.

I'm guessing he's not counting actual missiles/bombs launched from fighter-bombers, there, though.

Yeah but the Warhogs have something extra, a psychological aspect to them. When you see one and you're the enemy, you can't help but shudder with fear when you see it diving in your direction.

Kinda like the German JU-87's, which they attached horns to that made loud noises when they began to dive. It drives fear into the hearts of enemies and tank crews everywhere

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 25, 2011 04:25 PM (8y9MW)

Merkava... just are not many of them out there...

Muslim Brotherhood Islamists with Egyptian M1 Abrams tanks = Barely literate goat farmers driving tanks where half the systems are little more than blinking lights because they can't read the damned operators manual.

You're telling me you aren't the least bit scared of the First Egyptian Armored Goat Division plowing through the Sinai Peninsula into Israel proper?

Barely literate goat farmers driving tanks where half the systems are little more than blinking lights because they can't read the damned operators manual.

But what they lack in technical savvy is more than made up for by their sex drive.

Ask the goats.

Question is, are these Pro WEST Freedom type protests?  Or give us the Vote so we can have more Sharia type protests...

Because with Hezbollah now Legally taking over the Government of Lebanon, things can get real interesting (as in the Chinese curse meaning) in a hurry.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2011 04:38 PM (P18+/)

Ahhh... apparently the Self Immolation Mind Control Ray is working as designed!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 25, 2011 04:39 PM (8y9MW)

ummm... remind me who our Commander in Chief is again????  ;-)

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2011 04:36 PM (TMB3S)

This!!

Murbarak did a lot to keep the Muslim Brotherhood from getting too strong

Is that chick with the mudmask trying to steal my soul?

Mubarak is doing his absolute best to imitate the Shah of Iran.

Wouldn't wanna be an employee at the US embassy in Cairo when the Brotherhood overthrows him.  You KNOW they'll blame all Egypt's troubles the last 3 decades on US support that turned a blind eye to his violent crackdowns in dissent.  Oh, and on Israel, too, of course.

Muslim Brotherhood?  You don't say!  Remember when Teh Bamster met with them in April, 2009?  It kind of put a strain on him and Mubarek during his American Pharaoh tour:

U.S. President Barack Obama met with members of Egypt's Islamist opposition movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, earlier this year, according to a report in Thursday editions of the Egyptian daily newspaper Almasry Alyoum.

The newspaper reported that Obama met the group's members, who reside in the U.S. and Europe, in Washington two months ago. 

According to the report, the members requested that news of the meeting not be publicized. They expressed to Obama their support for democracy and the war on terror.

The newspaper also reported that the members communicated to Obama their position that the Muslim Brotherhood would abide by all agreements Egypt has signed with foreign countries.

Obama landed in Cairo on Thursday to deliver a conciliatory speech as part of his outreach to the Arab and Muslim world.

The Muslim Brotherhood is considered a Sunni-dominated fundamentalist Islamic organization that has spawned numerous factions across the Arab world that have engaged in terrorist activity, including the Palestinian rejectionist group Hamas.

It is also the main opposition bloc to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, whose regime is viewed favorably in the West due to its adherence to the thirty-year-old peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. 

Yup, obviously those moderate Muslims we keep hearing about.  Obama really is a useful idiot.

Posted by: Wayan Brothers at January 25, 2011 04:45 PM (Azyzj)

Sir!  Britania Rules the Waves!

We just need to borrow our Carrier back from the French!

Oh... dam....

"At least six young Egyptians have set themselves on fire in recent weeks, in an imitation of the self-immolation that set off the Tunisian unrest."

Motherfuckers be tryin' to steal my thunder an' shit.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 25, 2011 04:43 PM (Gx9Qb)

I can't put a picture of my friend on this blog, she'll kill me....

probably get a lot of dates, but kill me none the less....

Annoyed Egyptian?

Man arrested in Queens with bomb-making materials in car: sourceshttp://tinyurl.com/5wlfavu

Obviously, his local supermarket was out of those tiny little Tetley Tea Leaves.

Some of you are saying that the US and Europe would defend the Suez Canal.

Seems like I remember us having a large contingent of troops not far away. Now where did I hear that? Some place that starts with an "I".

Seems like I remember us having a large contingent of troops not far away. Now where did I hear that? Some place that starts with an "I".

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 25, 2011 04:52 PM (b6qrg)

Troops? yes... some air...

But didn't we move all the Heavy armor units out?  and Transition the US Army training to Counterinsurgency, vice Heavy Combat?

Posted by: comatus at January 25, 2011 04:15 PM (hrwMe)

Just be glad they didn't try Oconomowoc. That usually ends up nearly obscene.

Seems like I remember us having a large contingent of troops not far away. Now where did I hear that? Some place that starts with an "I".

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 25, 2011 04:52 PM (b6qrg)

..yeah..but Toonces is an idiot..and that too starts with an "I"

@48: "Also- Naval Rail Gun.  Soon, I hope."

To use against tanks?  They're direct fire weapons - you'd have to bring your ship in awful close to shore, and Hizbollah showed what can happen if you do that.  Hell, the Argies - despite all manner of lack of parts and technical know-how - cobbled together a shore-launched Exocet back in the Falklands War.  No reason to assume that somebody with a nice patron state couldn't do that one better.

The Egyptian M1A1's are, hmm, what's a good euphemism...tuned down a bit, let's say. The possibility that a post-Mubarak Egypt would include the Muslim Brotherhood getting its hands on those machines was planned for.

#73, no. No aerial platform except the AC-130 has the lead-slinging ability of the GAU-8 30mm Gatling in the A-10. You can put more poundage (22K vs 16K) on the Strike Eagle, but that involves multiple ejector racks, etc, etc, and the Strike Eagle only has a 20mm Gatling. The 15E also can't take a hit like a A-10 can.

And the A-10s are going through an upgrade process to the C model, including wing spar replacement, so they'll be good to go for many years to come.

But didn't we move all the Heavy armor units out?  and Transition the US Army training to Counterinsurgency, vice Heavy Combat?

There are no combat troops in Iraq!  Gitmo will be closing because I signed an executive order.  We need abortions to be rare and safe...

Posted by: Y-not at January 25, 2011 04:55 PM (pW2o

Depending on your point of view, Jimmeh gave away TWO canals, if you count the Camp David Accords.

But didn't we move all the Heavy armor units out?  and Transition the US Army training to Counterinsurgency, vice Heavy Combat?

That sounds correct, but who's going to tell our enemies over there exactly what we have in the area? We could probably scrounge up enough firepower to quell any threat in just a couple of hours, if that long.

I'm quite sure we're watching the situation, as they say.

The rail gun has 15 years before it's ready, by then, we may be part of china.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2011 04:57 PM (TMB3S)

heh!  I couldn't even be bothered to spell his name correctly!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 25, 2011 04:37 PM (8y9MW)

They could eat the insulation off of the wiring...

Posted by: ??????????? at January 25, 2011 04:53 PM (p302b)

Trump/Palin 2012.  I heard a couple of clips of Trump on Rush a few days ago.  He sounds like I want my next president to sound.

 "In the coming days, if Republicans successfully repeal Obamacare, you will be seeing a lot more people setting themselves on fire as they are faced with the terrible choice between being able to afford heat and seeing a doctor... Posted by: Alan Grayson"

Oh, let him be speaking from personal experience

something about none of them willing to get dirty doing maintenance or something like that...

Sounds about right. They wipe their ass with their finger...

I'm quite sure we're watching the situation, as they say.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 25, 2011 04:58 PM (b6qrg)

Any idea how long it would take to refit back into Heavy Combat Units??? Even if the equipment is on hand?

You can't take guys trained to drive a Hummer, or LAV, and suddenly put them in a Bradley or M1A2....

Could we take them on equiped as we are??? Probably... but we would take a LOT more casulties than if we had retained our origional Heavy Combat Unit edge...

Democracy is meaningless separate from restrictions on government, civil liberties, strong countervailing institutions (which could be civic organizations, churches, etc.), and cultural values that support individualism over collectivism.

As much as the United States and other countries are Constitutional Republics with functioning legal systems, they have the social and cultural conditions for property rights, individual liberties, and prosperity.  Democracy is only successful if it builds on these things and its citizens respect the factors that provide its foundation.

O/T

And they come away from lunch with splooge covered faces...

From a White House pool report, on the day of his State of the Union President Obama was seen heading for a lunch with  TV anchors and pundits, including Chris Matthews, Wolf Blitzer, Diane Sawyer, Brian Williams, and George Stephanopoulos. 

Yeah, lunch.  Is that what they're calling it now?

Could we take them on equiped as we are??? Probably... but we would take a LOT more casulties than if we had retained our origional Heavy Combat Unit edge...

I don't profess to know. My point was that we are probably playing our cards close to our vest in that area, and we are already there in a military capacity, that's all. I don't think that anyone would start any shenanigans in the Suez Canal because of that.

Posted by: Paper at January 25, 2011 05:06 PM (VoSja)

Yeah, pretty hard to have a functional Democracy when your religion tells you you'll go to Hell unless you vote the way the Iman tells you...

Or you'll be thrown from the family and tribe if you don't vote the way the Tribal Elders tell you....

Or... crap... if you'll loose your job if you don't vote the way the Union wants you too...

I don't profess to know. My point was that we are probably playing our cards close to our vest in that area, and we are already there in a military capacity, that's all. I don't think that anyone would start any shenanigans in the Suez Canal because of that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 25, 2011 05:10 PM (b6qrg)

Except that they read Barry as Weak... and it really does not matter if the military is ready or not... unless Barry pulls the trigger on somthing it does not matter.

It took hundreds of years of intellectual and economic change to plant, nurture, and develop the types of societies that we take for granted. These changes simply have not occured in many Islamic countries and probably won't in any of our lifetimes. There are social, cultural, and political reasons why some cultures live in homes with air conditioners and other live in caves.

I blame all this democracy bullshit on liberals, and it is so pervasive that it has seeped into the heads of many conservatives. Liberals spend a good amount of their energy wailing about cultural relativism, and I think that this has caused people to think that all cultures are the same minus some minute and unsubstantial differences in food, clothing, and prayer.

Democracy  +  Goatfuckistan  !=   Good Society

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 25, 2011 05:12 PM (tf9Ne)

Now I need a cigarette.

Posted by: JEA at January 25, 2011 05:08 PM (usEv6)

No. Democracy means islamofacists want to take over and want international ignorance or support. See Iraq. And screw off douchebag.

#188

Completely agree. That is why I started with 'As much as'. There just isn't as much right now, and the US suffers as a consequence.

Posted by: Paper at January 25, 2011 05:17 PM (VoSja)

I think that a large part of the problem is that we have been "conditioned" to think that Democracy is what makes our society work... even though we are NOT a Democracy, but a Republic.

Thus, spreading Democracy without the underlieing structure of a Freedom based Republic, is NOT what we should be doing.

Sharia Law should NEVER have been part of the Iraqi Constitution... and an American type Bill of Rights should have been a condition of our helping them.... Because without it, Democracys are unstable.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 25, 2011 05:16 PM (AdK6a)

Nope!  Everything is going according to plan.  Your energy bills will now have to be necessarily high.  We need to learn to do with less.  So, fuck you America!

Except that they read Barry as Weak... and it really does not matter if the military is ready or not... unless Barry pulls the trigger on somthing it does not matter.

Since I appear to be on a roll with WAG's, I'm gonna suppose that there are a few commanders who are preparing for worst-case-scenarios, despite The Vapid One®. A few higher ups may be able to talk him into actually doing something right, thus parlaying his weakness into something good.

Still, just guessing here. And hoping it never comes to that.

thought I read they were taking the warthogs out of service. 

The Air Force keeps trying to, but everytime the issue comes up, the Army offers to fly them instead, and the Air Force changes it's mind.  They're currently slated to be replaced by the F-35, which will also replace the F-16.

Also, the A-10 pilots would be more than happy to switch to the Army.  They're treated like shit by the Air Force.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 25, 2011 05:16 PM (AdK6a)

Dude, that will take AT LEAST 10 years before we see any benefits(too bad they have been saying that for 30 years)

#203

The writing of the Iraqi Constitution was the most ridiculous exercise in nonsense I've seen.

Bascially, Article 2 says that the country is an Islamic Republic and that no laws can contradict Islam. Every article that follows is basically a laundry list of rights that contradict the practice of Islam in most Islamic countries.

Since I appear to be on a roll with WAG's, I'm gonna suppose that there are a few commanders who are preparing for worst-case-scenarios, despite The Vapid One®. A few higher ups may be able to talk him into actually doing something right, thus parlaying his weakness into something good.

Still, just guessing here. And hoping it never comes to that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 25, 2011 05:23 PM (b6qrg)

Sec Def is spineless (look at cancelling Missle Def and F-22).... Joint Chiefs??? Same ( repeal of DADT? )...

Heck, it took two "studies" and 6 months to get more troops into Afganistan...

Barry lives in his own little world... I would not bet on anyone Military being able to talk him into anything.

Well if they are slated to be replaced by the F-35, then their gonna be around for a long long long time. The F-35 , one plane that does all, is doing nothing for nobody and is so far behind schedule that we might as well retrofit the Phantom

Don't you mean the F-111? That was our last do-everything airplane. You know, do everything, but do nothing very well.

Posted by: curious at January 25, 2011 05:30 PM (p302b)

They shouldn't have eaten the brown acid, man.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 25, 2011 05:31 PM (0GFWk)

And don't forget my most PROUD achievement! Stoping the building of evil Coal fired Power plants, and stopping new Drilling all over the States, so we could be MORE dependent on foreign energy resources!

@175: "I don't think that anyone would start any shenanigans in the Suez Canal because of that."

Who has to start anything? To fuck the canal up, you need only sink a few blockships.  You don't actually have to seize and hold anything.

 Egypt produces M1s as a licensee. They're not as good as the ones we make here and probably have a kill switch embedded in the chips.

Captain Mohammed, by Allah this infidel tank will not start!

Bwahahahahahaha!!!

Well if they are slated to be replaced by the F-35, then their gonna be around for a long long long time. The F-35 , one plane that does all, is doing nothing for nobody and is so far behind schedule that we might as well retrofit the Phantom.

Indeed.  The decision to go with the F-35 and cancel the F-22 will go down in history as a decision on par with the SGT YORK.  A part of me wants to sympathize with Gates, since he seems to be trying to head off larger cuts, and there are certainly some programs that needed to go.  However, I think in the long run, he simply is unwilling to stand up to the administration, even if it means resigning his job rather than follow through with a program that will get soldiers killed.  I also think that the F-35 program is going to be the nail in the coffin for the USAF.

I've said before, we'd be better off cancelling the F-35A (The AF version), and using the money to bump up our total number of F-22s to ~400, buy 1000 new A-10s modified for increased ISR capability, and fifty AC-130s. 

Nope!  Everything is going according to plan.  Your energy bills will now have to be necessarily high.  We need to learn to do with less.  So, fuck you America!

Balk like an Egyptian.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at January 25, 2011 05:34 PM (LH6ir)

You're right.  Save the women, kill the men. 

I would love to see a newpaper headline that read as follows:

"Following 2012 Election, United States Now Demanding Republic"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 25, 2011 05:34 PM (8y9MW)

Had this conversation with the PAC Fleet Air Threat Officer once (Air Force guy on a Navy Staff, go figure).. and he'd been told that the Air Farce keeps hoping that Helicopters will fill in the CAS void... but never factor in that you need relativly Fast Movers for it...

Even if they work out the bugs, CAS as performed by the F35 will be like my comment #198 above. Drop all your bombs as soon as humanly possible, then go chase enemy fighters to make ace. This is EXACTLY what us Army guys were afraid of back in the 80s.

It's not even an issue of making ace.  Fighters are designed completely differantly than CAS craft, for good reason.  The problem is that the design requirements for a dogfighter make them very vulnerable and fragile when trying to get low and slow enough to support the guys on the ground.  F-35 drivers are going to be dropping their ordinance from 20,000 feet and bugging out as quick as they can.  Especially if we ever face a power with any serious AA capability.

Sounds like a plan to me, but ya have to throw in some more F-18 Super Hornets since we ( Navy ) are running dangerously low, while we also wait for the F-35

Well, killing the AF version would allow the focus to be put on developing a marine/naval aircraft, which would be a lot simpler in terms of requirements.  Hopefully, it would speed up the development process.

Well, killing the AF version would allow the focus to be put on developing a marine/naval aircraft, which would be a lot simpler in terms of requirements.  Hopefully, it would speed up the development process.

Posted by: Alex at January 25, 2011 05:42 PM (J2ejK)

Actually, its just the opposite... the Navy version has to be carrier capable... much tougher standards..

And the Marine version is the VSTOL version... also an engineering problem...

I'd think the Air force version would be the easiest to complete... but not sure..

There is another element of this 'democracy' nonsense that people don't usually see.

When our political elites interact with Muslims, they interact with other elites educated at the same institutions with similar backgrounds. They aren't interacting with the overwhelming majority of the population in a typical Islamic country. They see people who think and act like them and assume that these people could run the country much as the United States is run. Our political elites believe that it is perfectly legitimate to have a government that provides bundles of incentives and punishments to have its citizens behave in a certain way. They assume that all that is needed is 'competent' leadership to turn radically different cultures in Western Democracies.

This is yet another example of how out of touch our leaders are. They are drawing their conclusions about other cultures from their interactions with the handful of people they have met on their 'goodwill' or 'diplomatic' tours. They have no substantive knowledge about the world and can't help but make mistakes that are directly related to their insularity.

Had this conversation with the PAC Fleet Air Threat Officer once (Air Force guy on a Navy Staff, go figure).. and he'd been told that the Air Farce keeps hoping that Helicopters will fill in the CAS void... but never factor in that you need relativly Fast Movers for it...

The problem is that helicopters are often very vulnerable to SAF and RPGs.  Not to mention that any first world group of engineering students and hobbyists can put together a SAM with enough punch to make life unpleasant for helo pilots, given a garage with a decent machine shop setup and some privacy. 

Posted by: Alex at January 25, 2011 05:48 PM (J2ejK)

Yep, that it it takes Helicopters much longer to reach the target... and they stay in the danger zone over the target much longer...

Lots of differences, but Air Force (from what he said) was looking for an excuse to get rid of the CAS aircraft... as they just weren't "sexy"...

Posted by: ol ye Soothsayer at January 25, 2011 05:40 PM (uFokq)

Wasn't there just an F1 race there this weekend?

"Egypt's block Twitter, which is being used by protesters to spread information and make plans."

This is exactly the reason why the US government should have zero control of the internet or any communication medium.

@218: "Don't you mean the F-111? That was our last do-everything airplane. You know, do everything, but do nothing very well."

Um, having been on the receiving end of the 'Varks, I can tell you that they are pretty darned effective.  Not 100% so, as I am still talking to you, but still quite good.

Posted by: goldbricker esq at January 25, 2011 05:57 PM (h2t8r)

Totally upgraded and refurbished aircraft are better than new when they roll out.  It also saves a lot of money.

according to reports, Jamal Mubarak has left Cairo to London while Husni Mubarak is fending off tiger sharks at the Sharm el Shekh.

I'm going to be pissed if those Zionist Pigs in Israel have Laser Equipped Shark Technology before me!

Key word is investment(s). Everyone will be completely drunk 15min into it.

IOwnTheWorld has a "Bullshit Bingo" card up, which can double as a list of drinking game phrases if you want to die before he's done with the shout-outs.

Thanks. 

 RE: the speech tonight - are the drinking game rules established?  Let me be clear ...

Bong Hits for 'Gabby'.

Surefire way to know what side to root for in these uprisings, coups, and protests?  Find our who Obama supports and hope the other side wins. 

I say it holds true in Honduras and Iran for sure.  Can't wait to see what they say about these calls for Democracy, I mean Islamic Caliphates. 

@232: "I've said before, we'd be better off cancelling the F-35A (The AF version), and using the money to bump up our total number of F-22s to ~400, buy 1000 new A-10s modified for increased ISR capability, and fifty AC-130s. "

Hell, how about bringing back the old A-1 Skyraiders and A-26 Invaders?  Those were pretty good, and cheap, too.  I'd imagine the Air Force might even let the Army control them, as prop fighters aren't exactly the sexiest of aircraft.

^{Hell, how about bringing back the old A-1 Skyraiders and A-26 Invaders?} 

BRING BACK THE BOMB

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 25, 2011 05:58 PM (pRKLf)

I remember reading a joke that the best thing about the F-111 program is that the Russians tried to copy it.

@299: "Yes, but with Egypt back in the Frey, it's just a matter of time anyway."

Leave me out of this, please.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 25, 2011 06:09 PM (0GFWk)

--Yeah, duh on me!

@299: "Yes, but with Egypt back in the Frey, it's just a matter of time anyway."

Leave me out of this, please.

Posted by: Glen Frey at January 25, 2011 06:11 PM (xy9wk)

Us too.  Leave the wimpy Grey's Anatomy music to us!

@299: "Yes, but with Egypt back in the Frey, it's just a matter of time anyway."

Leave me out of this, please.

Posted by: Glen Frey at January 25, 2011 06:11 PM (xy9wk)

Us too.  Leave the wimpy Grey's Anatomy music to us!

Posted by: The Fray at January 25, 2011 06:12 PM (BP6Z1)

Leave me and my sister Freya out of it too.

I say it holds true in Honduras and Iran for sure.  Can't wait to see what they say about these calls for Democracy, I mean Islamic Caliphates. 

Posted by: California Red at January 25, 2011 06:06 PM (smPb6)

The Madi is coming, doncha' know.

@299: "Yes, but with Egypt back in the Frey, it's just a matter of time anyway."

Leave me out of this, please.

Posted by: Glen Frey at January 25, 2011 06:11 PM (xy9wk)

Us too.  Leave the wimpy Grey's Anatomy music to us!

Posted by: The Fray at January 25, 2011 06:12 PM (BP6Z1)

Leave me and my sister Freya out of it too.

Posted by: That Norse God Frey at January 25, 2011 06:13 PM (z1N6a)

---------------

And us.

even though he instigated and lost 2 wars with Israel

Something tells me they learned absolutely nothing from this other than 'try not to fight wars with Israel'.

A lesson that I doubt trickled down to the gutter of the Arab Street.

Posted by: TimothyJ at January 25, 2011 06:25 PM (G5+tV)

Tim, Tim, Timmeh!

Hey to all you tech dorks out there, i finally set up a wireless connection so that i could watch the SOTU during the live blogging.(my tv and computer are in different rooms)

How can I be sure that my network is password protected?

They switched from fighting hot wars with Israel to fighting a diplomatic war with the Israelis.  Actually not a bad tactical move, as the Israelis, until recently, were more than willingly to trade "land for peace" for far too long.

There is nothing wrong with that asessment young Ghost of Sparta.

My peoples have a problem with teh Liberal Gene. I just don't get it. 

The gift of all gifts bestowed on them, and they can't see the forest for the trees.

How can I be sure that my network is password protected?

Hey to all you tech dorks out there, i finally set up a wireless connection so that i could watch the SOTU during the live blogging.(my tv and computer are in different rooms)

How can I be sure that my network is password protected?

Posted by: Ben at January 25, 2011 06:30 PM (DKV43)

What's your password and I'll test it.

How can I be sure that my network is password protected?

Posted by: Ben at January 25, 2011 06:30 PM (DKV43)

If there are no knocks at the door, or helicopters about after tonight...your good

The AF actually is working on proposals for a new prop aircraft for recon and light CAS.  They want to use it to bolster local Air Forces, and as a cheap way to increase their own fleet.

And with that, I'm off to bed.

Double dumbass on Mubarak.

Go George!

Reverend!

Thanks Goldbricker

and redshirt as long as the cops don't arrest people for taking compromising nudes of themselves, then i should be alright.

Well, as I feared the Teleprompter of the Union is pre-empting V.  Gonna watch DVDs instead.

BTW, I just heard that yesterday George Allen threw his hat in the ring to unseat the phony Webb.  Go George!

logprof. Ace is liveblogging the SOTU

Double dumbass on Mubarak.

He did what he had to do.

logprof. Ace is liveblogging the SOTU

Posted by: Ben at January 25, 2011 06:42 PM (DKV43)

Should be a good time....feed the hamsters, ace!

logprof. Ace is liveblogging the SOTU

Posted by: Ben at January 25, 2011 06:42 PM (DKV43)

--I'll try to catch up later, and also enjoy Levin's comments on the podcast.  Gotta pack for a trip tonight.

as long as the cops don't arrest people for taking compromising nudes of themselves, then i should be alright.

Never happen. Maybe a fine from the league...that's about it. 

--I'll try to catch up later, and also enjoy Levin's comments on the podcast.  Gotta pack for a trip tonight.

Don't forget to pack that Banana Hammock I sent you for MLK Day and some water soluable lubricant! 

See you at the B&B -

   Barney

as long as the cops don't arrest people for taking compromising nudes of themselves, then i should be alright.

Never happen. Maybe a fine from the league...that's about it. 

Posted by: Brett Farve at January 25, 2011 06:45 PM (RyEzJ)

Too bad they did not get me for the g-string shot.

--I'll try to catch up later, and also enjoy Levin's comments on the podcast.  Gotta pack for a trip tonight.

Don't forget to pack that Banana Hammock I sent you for MLK Day and some water soluable lubricant! 

See you at the B&B -

   Barney

Posted by: Note on Logprofs Dresser at January 25, 2011 06:48 PM (RyEzJ)

--Easy for you to say, Barney.

Your shit's already packed.

Posted by: Note on Logprofs Dresser at January 25, 2011 06:48 PM (RyEzJ)

Well done sir!  Welcome! Welcome!

^{--Easy for you to say, Barney.}

wit thy name is, occassionally, logprof

Can you imagine 10s of thousands of Muslim Brotherhood fanatics arriving in Cairo as a mob and all burning each other to death in a huge pyre to make a statement?

Boy would we be in trouble then, eh?

Imagine their carbon footprint.  Wow.

Posted by: Blacksmith8 at January 25, 2011 06:52 PM (Q1qy3)

and yet any sniff of trouble in arab land.  Oil prices skyrocket

Posted by: Blacksmith8 at January 25, 2011 06:52 PM (Q1qy3)

--Egypt is still mostly about the cotton.

Egypt is still mostly about the cotton.

We'll Cover it in Chocolate!

wit thy name is, occassionally, logprof

Posted by: garrett with a polite golf clap at January 25, 2011 06:52 PM (RyEzJ)

Care to spoon? It's okay in the Greek way.

--Egypt is still mostly about the cotton.

Posted by: logprof at January 25, 2011 06:56 PM (BP6Z1)

Somebody say cotton?  I smell racism

The reason I'm not listening to the SOTU speech is that I don't have a date, and I refuse to be the guy driving the car around listening to the couples in the back seat fucking.

to be the guy driving the car around listening to the couples in the back seat fucking.

Wait a minute...somebody actually would do that?

--Egypt is still mostly about the cotton.

Posted by: logprof at January 25, 2011 06:56 PM (BP6Z1)

Somebody say cotton?  I smell racism

Posted by: Rev. Al at January 25, 2011 07:00 PM (FIDMq)

I don't.

Posted by: logprof at January 25, 2011 06:37 PM (BP6Z1)

That guy got the rawest deal in all of politics.  A nonsense word that the WaPo tried for a week to make racist, by which they smeared his mother, while Webb ran a sub-rosa anti-semitic campaign.

That being said, I think that George Allen is the only guy who could actually lose to Webb in the general.  Mostly because Allen just couldn't maneuver deftly enough to deal with the smears and because he still has that undeserved reputation.