October 18, 2011
— Ace I suppose that means it's not really his last chance. But he does need to do something, else he'll cede all the "Not Romney" vote to Cain.
In the last debate, Perry didn't make any gaffes, but neither did he impress. He did not seem eager to speak at all, and seemed to want the spotlight to pass to others.
A front-runner can do that; a fading third-placer can't. Perry says this time he'll be more aggressive.
Perry's strategy for tonight? "We're going to pay a little less attention to the rules," says a source in the Perry camp who asked to go unnamed. "One of the things the governor tried to do in New Hampshire [at the Bloomberg/Washington Post debate] was to live by the time limits set by organizers. No one else did. As a result, one could view the governor's performance as having less to say, when in fact he was simply trying to live up to the rules of the debate. They've rarely been enforced, and we're not going to pay much attention to them."A number of observers remarked that Perry seemed to check out of the New Hampshire debate for long periods of time. Whatever the explanation -- whether he was trying to abide by the rules or simply wasn't engaged in the conversation -- it appears Perry will try to take a more active role in Las Vegas.
If Perry doesn't rise... Well, Ed Morrissey notes there is one last guy to look at.
Of all the other candidates on the stage, Newt Gingrich might be the one to watch. He has slowly gained momentum by being among the most positive on stage (except to moderators) and demonstrating his encyclopedic knowledge and quick wit. If it wasn’t for his personal baggage, he might already be the front-runner — and if both Cain and Perry stumble late, Republicans might be inclined to take on his baggage rather than hand Mitt Romney the nomination virtually unchallenged.
We're doing a liveblog tonight. Probably the last one for a long time.
A lot of people are sick of the debates.
The only reason I'm even doing it is I keep expecting something to change. But mostly the debates are exactly the same.
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Posted by: WalrusRex at October 18, 2011 01:36 PM (Hx5uv)
Occupy CNN, baby. And don't forget to dump a load on Wolf Blitzer's desk.
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at October 18, 2011 01:37 PM (QKKT0)
Gingrich has brought good stuff to each debate. IMO he deserves a good look here. In many respects he towers over the field. I've given up on Perry, its Cain or Newt at this point for me.
Posted by: exceller at October 18, 2011 01:37 PM (jx2Td)
Posted by: phoenixgirl occupying my car at October 18, 2011 01:38 PM (JajcQ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 01:38 PM (8y9MW)
I'd vote for him! Well, ok, no, but otherwise he's my guy!
Posted by: Nancy pelosi at October 18, 2011 01:38 PM (7BU4a)
Posted by: The Great State of Florida at October 18, 2011 01:40 PM (O3f8/)
Posted by: Jon Huntzman at October 18, 2011 01:41 PM (jkSbV)
Posted by: Jollyroger at October 18, 2011 01:41 PM (NCw5u)
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 18, 2011 01:41 PM (Hx5uv)
Bah. Still far enough out that the chaff can be separated.
Of course, it will help if he does well in the debate- and it will help more if he starts focusing on the 1st 3 primary states for his appearances.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 01:42 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl occupying my car at October 18, 2011 01:42 PM (JajcQ)
Posted by: USS Diversity at October 18, 2011 01:42 PM (aD5Kx)
Fantastic. Catch the Newt-mentum. <Warning: scarcasm overload. ERROR. ERROR. ERROR.>
Ahem.
I really really hope Romney crashes and burns. Anyone but him.
Or Ron Paul. Or Huntsman. Or Johnson. Or Bachmann.
Perry really needs to step up his game, and Cain needs to win some doubters over.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 18, 2011 01:42 PM (zgHLA)
Because Republicans hold our candidates to a higher standard. Sad but true.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 01:43 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: t-bird at October 18, 2011 01:43 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at October 18, 2011 05:35 PM (QKKT0)
I'm too "hip" and "with it" to be playing Tetris. I was playing Angry Birds.
Posted by: Rick Perry at October 18, 2011 01:43 PM (ggRof)
( Oh, please, oh, please punch Cooper in the throat...)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 18, 2011 01:43 PM (LHi9T)
When you sleep sit on a couch with someone, you've slept sat on a couch with everyone they've been with.
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 18, 2011 01:43 PM (Hx5uv)
Uh, and spanking it to the latest issue "Big Butts and Little Beavers"....
Snarking aside, that sounds like an Epic publication.
Posted by: Jollyroger at October 18, 2011 01:43 PM (NCw5u)
Posted by: naturalfake at October 18, 2011 01:44 PM (jkSbV)
Posted by: SGT Dan at October 18, 2011 01:44 PM (Yg+nf)
Not always true. And, even if true, if everyone else is filibustering every answer (I haven't been watching, so I don't know if this is the case: but it is the premise of their answer), then you look like you're unprepared or "don't have anything to say."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 01:44 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Truman North at October 18, 2011 01:44 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: t-bird at October 18, 2011 01:44 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at October 18, 2011 01:44 PM (S3rrR)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 18, 2011 01:44 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 01:45 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: Perry At The Bat at October 18, 2011 01:45 PM (zgoYu)
Don't look now, but it's not "that far in advance" anymore. Didn't somebody just move their primary up into the beginning of January?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 01:45 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at October 18, 2011 01:45 PM (QKKT0)
Down a Red Bull half-time for goodness sake. Or grab Anderson's knee...
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 18, 2011 01:46 PM (136wp)
Posted by: george at October 18, 2011 01:46 PM (y0VOX)
And why do we have so bloody many debates? Can't we have, like, just as many, but with 3-4 candidates each, chosen randomly?
Or one-on-one matchups. Kind of round-robin everyone-gets-to-debate-everyone-else at least once.
Not these simultaneous 8-people-press conferences.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 18, 2011 01:46 PM (zgHLA)
Posted by: phoenixgirl occupying my car at October 18, 2011 01:46 PM (JajcQ)
Don't look now, but it's not "that far in advance" anymore. Didn't somebody just move their primary up into the beginning of January?
/Bring out the tar and feathers!/
Posted by: didn't take long at October 18, 2011 01:46 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: John Morris at October 18, 2011 01:47 PM (sCRhB)
I'm so sorry, but Mr. Romney has been slated by the national GOP committee to to give another flawless performance.
Posted by: Georgette Mosbacher at October 18, 2011 01:47 PM (QKKT0)
Really though, Newt's herisies aren't as bad as Romney's. Its just the couch image seared into my mind like micowaved betrayal.
Posted by: Jollyroger at October 18, 2011 01:47 PM (NCw5u)
With maybe a few, "Shouldn't we all be thanking Obama for killing Osama" questions.
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 18, 2011 01:48 PM (Hx5uv)
The thing is he has failed outright. His debate performance has been quite poor even disregarding expectations. Now I don't think he can overcome the negatives. And I don't think he's skilled enough in this aspect of campaigning to redefine himself. The bigger question is can he get around poor performances in debates with his other attributes. I don't think he can. Communication is rather important even if you have nothing to say. "Successful" campaigns and politicians are loaded with fancy pablum. Which explains Romney. (Yeah, cheap shot. Sue me.)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 18, 2011 01:48 PM (REXkU)
#39! At least THAT would provide a reason to endure this atrociously long never ending primary campaign season.
Posted by: didn't take long at October 18, 2011 01:49 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: SFGoth at October 18, 2011 01:49 PM (dZ756)
If Romney makes some really big gaffe, I will laugh so hard. I just want him to snap and let loose with some Tourette's-inspired rant. Really Hulk out.
Is that too much to ask?
Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 18, 2011 01:49 PM (zgHLA)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 18, 2011 05:43 PM (LHi9T)
I call that Friday night.
Posted by: Some Real Teabagger at October 18, 2011 01:49 PM (7BU4a)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 01:49 PM (i6RpT)
So the Democrats have more sound-bites to choose from when bashing our candidate.
I didn't say it was a good reason.
And count me in with those who would like a Heritage Foundation / Cato Institute sponsored debate. Maybe moderated by Rush or Mark Steyn. I'd even take Steve Forbes as the moderator.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 01:49 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at October 18, 2011 01:49 PM (Sp2sM)
Since the topic is national security, 70% of questions will be about DADT and the other 30% will be about how all Republicans are Islamophobic.
Posted by: Truman North at October 18, 2011 05:44 PM (I2LwF)
Moderator: Gov. Perry. When was the last time you beat up a queer?
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 18, 2011 01:51 PM (oG5pm)
Posted by: That Shrill Liberal Chick on Facebook at October 18, 2011 01:51 PM (39HkA)
That's what Iowa is threatening to do as of yesterday; this is in response to the Charlie Crist wing of the GOP here in Florida, which controls the GOP chairmanship, trying to move the Florida primary up to Thanksgiving or something, supposedly in aid of Mitt. One problem, according to polls, if they held the primaries today, Cain would win, so maybe they'll back off that little maneuver.
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at October 18, 2011 01:51 PM (S3rrR)
Oh, forgot to mention-- Ace, you are on FIRE with the headlines today.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 18, 2011 01:52 PM (zgHLA)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 01:52 PM (ieDPL)
Yeah, as much as I like Perry and Cain, Neut's done rather well in comparison. He's been the Great Uniter, acting as spokesNeut against the lefty liberal "moderators." Too bad he's not really a conservative either.
If he'd renounce AGW and publicly apologize for the couch session with the Wiked Witch of the West, I'd consider him. He has much better name recognition and IMHO, be far better than Mitt. It's too bad that the establishment Pubbies have all decided it's Mitt's "turn" like they did with McLame.
Way to fuck that up again, like they do with everything else.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 18, 2011 01:52 PM (d0Tfm)
Newt can easily get past the couch thing by saying 'That was before Climategate emails were discovered and shed much doubt on the so called science.'
I like Newt a lot, and seeing him crush SCOAMF in a debate would be pudding worthy.
Posted by: The Schwalbe : © at October 18, 2011 01:52 PM (UU0OF)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 01:52 PM (8y9MW)
Rather, by Mark Steyn! He should be elected the RNC Chairman, honorary at least.
Posted by: didn't take long at October 18, 2011 01:52 PM (lpWVn)
What Newt did is not in the same universe of bad as Mittens. Let Newt go one on one with each candidate. Whodayathink will win that?
Newt's gonna make AC blow him on the stage.
Posted by: Hidajunshin at October 18, 2011 01:52 PM (MVVJU)
Hey, liveblogging the debates is one of the funniest things around. I hope we keep liveblogging all of them. Epic snark, epic polls, what's not to like?
Posted by: OSUsux at October 18, 2011 01:53 PM (DFXmi)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 01:53 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 18, 2011 01:54 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: sleepy-beans at October 18, 2011 01:54 PM (5617J)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 18, 2011 01:55 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 01:55 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 18, 2011 01:56 PM (136wp)
Posted by: cherry pi at October 18, 2011 01:56 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: robtr at October 18, 2011 01:56 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 18, 2011 01:56 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Snow White and the Seven at October 18, 2011 01:56 PM (SSm72)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 18, 2011 01:56 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: didn't take long at October 18, 2011 05:52 PM (lpWVn)
Undocumented RNC Chairman.
Posted by: Marc Steyn at October 18, 2011 01:56 PM (z81NF)
Just be sure to peel off the O-stikas and the Coexist decal.
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at October 18, 2011 01:57 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Roman Polanski at October 18, 2011 01:57 PM (ieDPL)
You're going to have to root around a little to find something as bad as Global Warming Coffee Time with Newt Gingrich and Nancy Pelosi.
Stabbing Paul Ryan in the back wasn't such a hot move either.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 18, 2011 01:57 PM (7utQ2)
*sigh* I know. But I can still dream, right?
Can you imagine the difference in the Primary season if the people moderating and sponsoring the debates were all real conservatives? If the Republicans had said to the likes of CNN and MSNBC - "No thanks, we'll be talking to our constituents instead," and then done regional TV / FOX (they're not perfect, but they're better than the others).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 01:57 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Max Power at October 18, 2011 01:57 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Truman North at October 18, 2011 01:57 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: toby928© understands the comma at October 18, 2011 01:57 PM (GTbGH)
Hmm, are you sure cause I'm missing my $5500 dollar Mac. Sure you didn't get it last night?
Posted by: Occupy Wall Street at October 18, 2011 01:57 PM (136wp)
Posted by: naturalfake at October 18, 2011 01:58 PM (jkSbV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 18, 2011 01:58 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Rick Perry at October 18, 2011 01:58 PM (fEmj2)
Posted by: Jypsea Rose at October 18, 2011 01:59 PM (xkgFv)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 18, 2011 01:59 PM (UlUS4)
The pundit's keep saying that but they are ignoring the rules. You don't talk unless called upon. If asked a question you get 2 min to answer. If another candidate talks about you the moderator is supposed to give you 30 sec to respond.
If they don't call on you and don't talk about you you get no face time at all. Perry even remarked on that at that last debate.
Let's not let the damn MFM steer us again this year. How about it?
Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 01:59 PM (YdQQY)
I really really hope Romney crashes and burns.
"In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances."
-Grand Moff Romney
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 18, 2011 02:00 PM (/qkBU)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 02:01 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 02:01 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at October 18, 2011 02:01 PM (6uXZa)
Posted by: t-bird at October 18, 2011 02:01 PM (FcR7P)
Where do I join one of those?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 02:01 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 18, 2011 05:57 PM (7utQ2)
i missed that, what did he do?
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 02:02 PM (h+qn8)
As soon as we find the right hill. I'm certain it's just over the horizon. Keep feeding us, though. We still need supplies for the march.
Posted by: General G. O. P. at October 18, 2011 02:02 PM (REXkU)
Posted by: The AL GORE at October 18, 2011 02:02 PM (O3f8/)
Posted by: Truman North at October 18, 2011 02:02 PM (I2LwF)
You can pick up Huntsman on waivers.
Posted by: toby928© at October 18, 2011 02:02 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 18, 2011 02:02 PM (xOy1A)
Newt's Issues as far as I am concerned:
1. The couch
2. Ditching his cancer-stricken wife for another woman
3. Appropriating Democrat ideas so that Republicans will get credit from the public for them (he was a fan of Medicare prescription drug program for that reason)
4. His willingness to look for so-called market based solutions for the global warming fraud (this goes along with #1 and #3)
5. Dede Scozzafava
I have no doubt that Newt is conservative but unfortunately he has become a rank tactician, and by that I mean that he seems to always be looking for the strategy that will put more Rs in office and not necessarily more conservatives. He is a definitely a party guy and my only other worry about him is whether or not he would restrain the free-spending establishment types if he had a Republican House and Senate. W didn't and I worry that Newt would go along to get along. Twenty years ago I wouldn't have had that concern, but his actions the last few years give me pause.
Still, he's no SCOAMF.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 18, 2011 02:02 PM (JxMoP)
He sneered at the Ryan SS/Medicare plan as "Right Wing Social Engineering."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 02:03 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: RAAAAACIST! TeaParty Terrorist Hobbit from the Shire of New Hamp at October 18, 2011 02:03 PM (4V+hs)
i missed that, what did he do?
Posted by: willow at October 18, 2011 06:02 PM (h+qn
"Right-wing social engineering" about Ryan's budget back when the choices were between Obama's abomination of a budget and Ryan's.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 18, 2011 02:04 PM (7utQ2)
Pointless media wankery? Nahhhh.....
But it might be more to the point to just turn it over to Simon Cowell and Paula Abdul.
Posted by: nickless at October 18, 2011 02:04 PM (MMC8r)
My wife and I will watch it while having drinks (I'll be having a rye Manhattan with a twist). We will become utterly bored, irritated and disillusioned and will turn off the TV after about 15 minutes. I will mutter under my breath about "cocksucking asshole politicians," and my wife will comment that none of them are particularly impressive, and ask "who is that retarded woman and why is she on the stage?"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 18, 2011 02:04 PM (K6bNI)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 02:05 PM (ucs8Y)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 18, 2011 02:05 PM (i6RpT)
He sneered at the Ryan SS/Medicare plan as "Right Wing Social Engineering."
Forgot all about that one. That goes back to my concern of his penchant for appropriating Democrat ideas for the sole purpose of getting credit, rather than explaining to people why those ideas are wrong.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 18, 2011 02:05 PM (JxMoP)
Newt can easily get past the couch thing by saying 'That was before Climategate emails were discovered and shed much doubt on the so called science.'
Admittedly, it took me a while to figure out that that whole AGW thingy was bullshit. I just had one of those "feelings" that we were being set up by it, but couldn't prove it to anyone else. That's why I was so disappointed with everybody's rush to blindly accept it as the truth when it really wasn't, even those on the right who (like me) should have known better sooner.
Having said that, I agree with your assesment. Maybe he, like many of us, learned a good lesson, namely that there are many people on the left who'll promote pretty much anything if it gets them the power they crave like a coke-addled stimulus monkey.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 18, 2011 02:05 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Jehu at October 18, 2011 02:05 PM (Bmj1j)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 18, 2011 02:05 PM (xOy1A)
Are we talking about Newt (right wing social engineering) or Romney (Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme and, btw, you're trying to kill granny)?
Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 02:05 PM (5H6zj)
Perry is behind . . . Ron Paul! And Cain is running away with it. According to Zogby, true, but it tracks with other polling that shows Cain blowing past everyone else and Perry basically tied with Gingrich, Bachman, Santorum, and the other also rans.
This really probably is Perry's last chance, and he's going to have to be awesome.
Curiously, I think he might just pull it off. A desperate, brawling Perry is probably Perry at his best.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at October 18, 2011 02:05 PM (epBek)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 18, 2011 02:06 PM (7utQ2)
I can't recall the details but about six months ago the Newt campaign released an absolutely hysterical not to mention lunatic press release that was widely ridiculed.
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 18, 2011 02:06 PM (Hx5uv)
Ouch. Remember, it's the Rangers' second year in a row in the World Series. That has to be worth something. Besides, the World Series doesn't start until tomorrow. The Rangers are traveling today.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 18, 2011 02:06 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: t-bird at October 18, 2011 02:07 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: The Schwalbe : © at October 18, 2011 02:07 PM (UU0OF)
Now there's a campaign platform I can get behind!
Posted by: Y-not loves her candidates "skerry" at October 18, 2011 02:07 PM (5H6zj)
Dayumm....forget the gotcha questions that are inevitable.
Who freakin' wants a liberal to run these debates? Doesn't the RNC have enough money to hire a conservative to moderate?
Posted by: HappyGoLucky at October 18, 2011 02:08 PM (be5IN)
These debates would be a lot more fun if they were actually gladiator-style fights to the death, with the ultimate winner battling Obama in another fight with tridents and nets and hammers and shit, on election night.
But, since Obama is president, he would still win, because the Secret Service would be compelled by statute to intervene on his side.
Damnit.
Posted by: Sharkman at October 18, 2011 02:08 PM (wMsKw)
Because we are total fucking losers who agonize over every inconsequential slip of the tongue and botched leech control policy speech.
And we love our country and are sort of hoping that it's still around in 20 years.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 18, 2011 02:08 PM (K6bNI)
Posted by: Jypsea Rose at October 18, 2011 02:08 PM (xkgFv)
Posted by: Sphynx at October 18, 2011 02:08 PM (fEmj2)
Posted by: Truman North at October 18, 2011 06:02 PM (I2LwF)
Wasn't that the twat that gave Dingy Harry the vote to have cloture on healthcare?
IIRC she said she wanted to be part of history or some shit like that.
Posted by: YIKES! at October 18, 2011 02:09 PM (70TBD)
Dead Africans. They make dead Africans at an alarming rate. And probably fertilizer from bat guano or some such unknown crap.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 18, 2011 02:10 PM (K6bNI)
Don't know what the hell they make in Uganda, but whatever it is, our old buddy George Soros is after it, or so goes the scuttlebutt.
Posted by: Minnie Rodent at October 18, 2011 02:10 PM (S3rrR)
(Ace,
Not sure if I'm the only one, but this site has been triggering my malware protection software the last 3 days. Y'all may want to look into it.)
Newt is kind of like the GOP's BillyJeff Clinton. I think having all his crap out in the open already is going to be a boon for him and he's one to watch. I was a Perry fan but he needs to get his crap together and quick.
Posted by: Stella at October 18, 2011 02:10 PM (Z2GQx)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 02:10 PM (ieDPL)
I'm still hanging on to Perry. So he's not the greatest debater in debates that are set up to try to humiliate repubs. He does well on the campaign stump and that's really what's going to make or break a candidate.
Newt had so much potential. Man oh man I wish he would have stayed the course. But I'd still vote for him over Romney or, in the end, the SCOAMF.
If Cain keeps his mojo, and starts learning that the American people want a strong leader who says what he means, then I think he will win the nomination. He has to turn his back on the temptation to walk back his statements when the MFM gets miffed.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 18, 2011 02:10 PM (oG5pm)
Posted by: Bosk at October 18, 2011 02:10 PM (n2K+4)
Posted by: observer at October 18, 2011 02:10 PM (AdkuS)
My wife and I will watch it while having drinks...
---
My husband would rather be skinned alive than watch one of those things. I might catch Vodkapundit's drunk blogging, but probably I'm going to seduce my husband.
I need the cardio.
Posted by: Y-not loves her candidates at October 18, 2011 02:10 PM (5H6zj)
...marching orders should have been given a long time ago to do away with referring to Latino / Hispanic immigrants as roaches, rats, cows, shooting them like feral hogs, and now we see Herman Cain advocating the death of Latino immigrants.
Raaacists!!!!
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at October 18, 2011 02:10 PM (0It32)
I don't like the idea of a Mark Steyn moderated debate.
It should instead be a Mark Steyn lecture. All the candidates come and then Mark Steyn lectures them all, and then he lectures each one individual for 90 seconds, unless the moderator (Mark Steyn) lets Mark Steyn have more time.
At the end, each candidate has a minute to ask Mark Steyn questions about how the candidate can improve.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at October 18, 2011 02:10 PM (epBek)
Only four months until pitchers and catchers!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 18, 2011 02:10 PM (K6bNI)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 02:11 PM (w3YD7)
That's why I still advocate Gingrich for president if we can retain the House and acquire the Senate with more Tea Partyers in the caucuses. If Newt wanders, Congress can check him better than, I think, any of the other candidates.
And none of this silly facade that making Newt VP would be productive. The only Executive seat that's vital is the presidency. One could even elect someone like Biden as VP for all of the real power that such a person would bring... Dick Cheney being the exception to the rule.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 18, 2011 02:11 PM (REXkU)
All this does is encourage the also-rans who have no support to continue.
Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 02:11 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Jehu at October 18, 2011 02:12 PM (Bmj1j)
Posted by: Sphynx at October 18, 2011 02:12 PM (fEmj2)
92 Unless Perry vomits up blood filled with tiny screaming snakes tonight, I'm going to be sticking with him.
Are hissing scorpions OK?
Posted by: Rick Perry at October 18, 2011 02:12 PM (ggRof)
IIRC she said she wanted to be part of history or some shit like that.
"When history calls, history calls."
That's what the fuck she said.
Posted by: Truman North at October 18, 2011 02:13 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: ParisParamus at October 18, 2011 02:13 PM (jzm8w)
It's great for book sales!
Posted by: Herb Cain, radio guy at October 18, 2011 02:13 PM (5H6zj)
They make loans.
Posted by: oblig. (obliq.) at October 18, 2011 02:13 PM (cePv8)
Michele Bachmann's the one who actually WOULD nail Mitt. Ridicule her as you like, but she's one mean bitch. Her playing down to the lowest denominator is the most disgusting aspect of her criticisms of opponents, as if voters really are as stupid as the establishment maintains that the Tea Party activists are.
Her rhetoric spawns attacks on those she presumably represents as Tea Party House Caucus Chair. Without educating, she's talking to the old upset lady at a Townhall frustrated that "Obama doesn't even have a birth certificate," at the point Obama had produced nothing.
Bachmann leaves herself vulnerable to the "kill the messenger" smartasses for the way she presents criticisms which are based on substance but get expressed as overkill. Spare us! "999 upside down in 666." Knock us over the head with a 2X4, Michele. And btw, "mentally retarded" is NOT PC. Palin made the point nationally during the '08 GOP campaign for people to refrain from insensitively using the word "retard".
Based on Bachmann's agenda and legislative priorities, she's make a strong House Speaker for the new GOP POTUS.
Posted by: didn't take long at October 18, 2011 02:13 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: Max Power at October 18, 2011 05:57 PM (q177U)
I really like this blog because ace is often perceptive and has an interesting take on most things, and the commenters are entertaining and also perceptive.
But we also come up with some really, really disturbing shit too.
[Disclaimer: I suggested oral sex with Helen Thomas on a thread last night. Not for me; for another commenter.]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 18, 2011 02:14 PM (K6bNI)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 18, 2011 02:14 PM (xOy1A)
If I understand Cain's plan correctly, they are never going to be immigrants technically. Maybe would-be immigrants that made one huge mistake.
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 18, 2011 02:14 PM (Hx5uv)
What?! I'm paying for this microphone, Mr. Green!
Posted by: Ronaldus Magnus at October 18, 2011 02:14 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 02:14 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 18, 2011 02:15 PM (i0App)
Posted by: Newt Gingrich at October 18, 2011 02:15 PM (fEmj2)
1) Don't play by the rules
2) Lay out detailed economic plan
3) Attack Romney's record
4) Meth.
Posted by: Dr Spank at October 18, 2011 02:15 PM (Sh42X)
Posted by: steevy at October 18, 2011 02:15 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Ronaldus Magnus at October 18, 2011 06:14 PM (GTbGH)
Yeah, there was that one debate that involved much controversy. Then no others.
Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 02:16 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 02:16 PM (w3YD7)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 02:16 PM (ieDPL)
Heritage to Co-Host Debate with AEI, CNN
"The Heritage Foundation will co-host a Republican presidential debate on foreign policy and national security with the American Enterprise Institute and CNN, officials of the two Washington-based think tanks and the worldwide cable news organization announced late tonight."
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 18, 2011 02:16 PM (d6QMz)
They have closed down the wind energy propellers at night because a bat was killed. It was out of respect for Helen Thomas.
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 18, 2011 02:16 PM (Hx5uv)
Riiiigggghttt. Cause I'm all ears for the MSM, asshole. Read here much?
Cain is a demonstrable ignoramus on foreign policy. Also, advocacy for VAT is not exactly the bona fides of a conservative.
I am not even going to waste breath on the dental pick to the gum of the Republican Party. Rick Santorum is a walking nosebleed.
As for Bachman--anyone who advocates against vaccinations is a card carrying member of the idiots union and a child abuser.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 18, 2011 02:17 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: izoneguy at October 18, 2011 02:17 PM (i6Neb)
Were Newt not supervising, the kids' bickering would play into Obama's hands.
Posted by: didn't take long at October 18, 2011 02:18 PM (lpWVn)
But he's electable!
Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 02:18 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Jean at October 18, 2011 02:18 PM (+oKKW)
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
Posted by: toby928© at October 18, 2011 02:18 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 18, 2011 02:18 PM (ieDPL)
Posted by: izoneguy at October 18, 2011 02:18 PM (i6Neb)
Santorum,
Some told me a disgusting factoid regarding his last name. Don't google it because it is bad. Something the brain bleach won't wash out.
Posted by: sTevo at October 18, 2011 02:18 PM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Truman North at October 18, 2011 02:18 PM (I2LwF)
"When history calls, history calls."
That's what the fuck she said.
Sounds like she got taken in one of those Nigerian you-just-might-be-a-millionaire schemes.
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 18, 2011 02:19 PM (Hx5uv)
Rick should ignore Cain and go after Romney and Obama.
Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 02:19 PM (5H6zj)
If I understand Cain's plan correctly, they are never going to be immigrants technically. Maybe would-be immigrants that made one huge mistake.
Hopefully they're not as smart as raptors.
Posted by: Robert Muldoon, Jurassic Park Game Warden at October 18, 2011 02:20 PM (z81NF)
"When history calls, history calls."
That's what the fuck she said.
However, when math calls, take a message.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 18, 2011 02:20 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 18, 2011 02:21 PM (xOy1A)
That pretty much guarantees them for the future.
Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 02:22 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: poljunkie at October 18, 2011 02:22 PM (XuiJf)
Posted by: toby928© will probably stop beating this dead horse, probably at October 18, 2011 02:22 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Spiker at October 18, 2011 02:23 PM (zgoYu)
Just go ahead preposition the paramedics. You're going to need them.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 18, 2011 02:24 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: snowcrash at October 18, 2011 06:16 PM (w3YD7)
Duh!
He found out last summer what it was couldn't wait to tell everyone.
Posted by: Barney Frank at October 18, 2011 02:24 PM (70TBD)
Nor is honoring Greenspan as the best ever Fed Chairman, despite setting inflation out of control for our burst bubble, despite having promoted NO OVERSIGHT to restrain the Federal Reserve's fraudulent investments. But Greenspan hired Cain, so Herman is in Alan's pocket. Nor is supporting TARP and forcing taxpayers to bailout corruption to plunder us again another day a mark of conservatism.
I saw a sharp critique of Cain referencing just how long ago it was that his resume CEO listing took place. Not recently.
Posted by: didn't take long at October 18, 2011 02:25 PM (lpWVn)
"My hubby and I are thinking about playing a drinking game tonight. Every time 999 mentioned we do a shot.
And a piece of clothing comes off. You might not make it past the 20 min. mark.
Posted by: Bosk at October 18, 2011 02:25 PM (n2K+4)
At this point Perry needs to do some kind of magic trick that will make all the other candidates disappear. Or maybe he could perform some miracles of healing the sick in the audience.
Maybe if he came out wearing two pearl handled six-shooters and fired off a few rounds near the other candidates feet.
He will at the very least have to do a moon-walk.
Posted by: FeralCat at October 18, 2011 02:26 PM (vfiok)
Posted by: tangonine at October 18, 2011 02:26 PM (x3YFz)
"My hubby and I are thinking about playing a drinking game tonight. Every time 999 mentioned we do a shot.
And a piece of clothing comes off. You might not make it past the 20 min. mark.
Wait. You guys are wearing clothes?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 18, 2011 02:27 PM (7utQ2)
Are you sure? Africa has thousands of countries.
Posted by: Diane Sawyer at October 18, 2011 02:28 PM (REXkU)
Posted by: Jypsea Rose at October 18, 2011 02:28 PM (xkgFv)
Posted by: poljunkie at October 18, 2011 02:29 PM (XuiJf)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 18, 2011 02:29 PM (oG5pm)
Posted by: moki at October 18, 2011 02:29 PM (dZmFh)
...marching orders should have been given a long time ago to do away with referring to Latino / Hispanic immigrants as roaches, rats, cows, shooting them like feral hogs, and now we see Herman Cain advocating the death of Latino immigrants.
Raaacists!!!!
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at October 18, 2011 06:10 PM (0It32)
You mean "illegal aliens" invading a sovereign nation. Want to "immigrate?" Find a legal border crossing and get a visa.
Posted by: tangonine at October 18, 2011 02:30 PM (x3YFz)
Also -- and it seems rather incidental to most of the self-proclaimed 'true conservatives' around the web these days, which is a sad commentary all to itself -- he would make a terrible, terrible, terrible President. He is a supremely poor leader of men. He is fickle, inconstant, unreliable, disloyal, eloquent and brilliant. The last two things make him a good "ideas man," but the first three made him an awful, self-sabotaging Speaker of the House whose sole major policy achievement (Welfare Reform) was accomplished in spite of him, not because of him.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 18, 2011 02:30 PM (hIWe1)
Yep. He's been relying on appointments and his gift of gab.
A lot of them have dusty resumes, except Perry, Bachmann, Paul, and Huntsman.
Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 02:30 PM (5H6zj)
The middle two are an idiot and a nut. The last one is a Democrat.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 18, 2011 02:33 PM (7utQ2)
I really think you've swallowed the electability line from Romney's camp without thinking it through. Mitt has not been vetted in a national, bi-partisan election any more than any of the others have been.
Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 02:33 PM (5H6zj)
He will at the very least have to do a moon-walk.
He does have a lot of ground to make up after his "heartless" fuckup.
Where's a good geneticist with one of those big, green growing tanks when you need one? If we took Neut's smarts and lib-bashing ablility, and Perry's record in Tejas, and Cain's money moxie, and Romney's dashing good looks (fer teh wimmins) and the all rest's conservative outlook...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 18, 2011 02:33 PM (d0Tfm)
Which Democrat strategy will Romney use tonight?
He's already used scaremongering on Social Security, and at the last debate he was all about talking about how Romneycare is so awesome for children. Along with bragging about how all the liberals in a deep blue state are really happy with his government controlled healthcare.
There's got to be a new one for him to throw out there tonight.
Posted by: buzzion at October 18, 2011 02:33 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at October 18, 2011 02:34 PM (oG5pm)
Rick is better looking than Mitt, but I'd vote for Quasimodo if he were a solid conservative with a track-record of accomplishments I could get excited about.
Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 02:35 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: moki at October 18, 2011 02:35 PM (dZmFh)
Posted by: Oldcat at October 18, 2011 02:35 PM (z1N6a)
Just go ahead preposition the paramedics. You're going to need them.
And a piece of clothing comes off. You might not make it past the 20 min. mark.
Both of those thoughts occurred to me, and probably him!
Posted by: poljunkie at October 18, 2011 06:29 PM (XuiJf)
Could be worse. Could be Romney's 59-point economic plan. Either mass suicides or a cure for insomnia.
Posted by: tangonine at October 18, 2011 02:36 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 18, 2011 02:36 PM (6IV8T)
>>> Can Perry really be that naive?<<<
It's not naivety, it's called "Honor" - he learned that growing up in a small town in West Texas, and it was honed in the Corps of Cadets at Texas A&M.
He is NOT a lawyer by trade or by training - most people aren't good at DEBATING, and frankly, I don't care how well a candidate does in a debate; I want to know what their record is and if they stand up for their convictions.
I don't care for Romney's flip-flopping (and only about 25% of Republicans support him, according to most polls).
And there is no way in Hell that I can support a man (Newt) who abandoned not one but TWO wives when they got sick. That tells me more than sitting on a couch with SanFranNan ever will - if a man can't honor his marriage vows, then he either has bad judgement when it comes to making important decisions, his word is not his bond, or both.
Regardless, it doesn't speak well of the man.
If Romney or Newt are the eventual candidate, I will do what I did in 2008 - hold my nose and vote "R" - but I won't like it.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at October 18, 2011 02:36 PM (0xqzf)
Posted by: Vic at October 18, 2011 02:36 PM (YdQQY)
Maybe something about how Perry is going to destroy the environment by rolling back the EPA's authority?
Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 02:36 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 18, 2011 06:30 PM (hIWe1)
Yeah, but our current one is all of those except the last.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 18, 2011 02:37 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: moki at October 18, 2011 06:35 PM (dZmFh)
Best wishes, moki. We'll keep you in our prayers.
Posted by: tangonine at October 18, 2011 02:37 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: mpfs, Wants Someone To OccupyMyPants at October 18, 2011 02:37 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: mpfs, Wants Someone To OccupyMyPants at October 18, 2011 06:37 PM (iYbLN)
Well at least he won't be there for the media to throw questions to like he's worthwhile. The only question he needs to answer is "Which democrat will you endorse when you drop out? Obama or Romney?"
Posted by: buzzion at October 18, 2011 02:39 PM (GULKT)
Gingrich will swallow the CNN correspondent whole and use him/her to clean out his colon.
Bachman, looking for a seat on the Romney cabinet, will play attack dog on Perry.
Santorum will be the slightly older angry man 'cause he's not getting asked enough questions.
Paul will go apeshit over fiat money.
Cain will talk non-stop about 9-9-9.
Romney will stand around with that shit eating grin of his, indicating that he's ready to be the last Republican (but not conservative) standing.
Huntsman's AWOL (thank you Jesus!).
Perry will alternatively be ignored and be thrown gotcha questions by CNN. If he's smart he'll make a reference that brings Newt into the conversation - better yet, take a lesson from Newt playbook if he can.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at October 18, 2011 02:39 PM (kqqGm)
Posted by: macintx at October 18, 2011 02:39 PM (ucs8Y)
I'm starting to hate Huntsman less and that scares the shit out of me.
Somebody hold me.
Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 06:38 PM (5H6zj)
You want me to loan you some of my hate for that idiot? I have plenty to spare.
Posted by: tangonine at October 18, 2011 02:39 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: moki at October 18, 2011 02:39 PM (dZmFh)
Posted by: moki at October 18, 2011 06:29 PM (dZmFh)
Done! Prayers for you moki.
But I'm a little concerned that you didn't know it was tomorrow. Usually before surgery there are test they run...blood, etc. Have you done all that?
Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 18, 2011 02:40 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Vic
Hey Vic, I hope hubby is well enough. If not, I'll keep my kids home from school to drive me back from the hospital, if I get to go home. I'll go out on a limb and say this is excusable. If the school quibbles, then I'll hobble in there and bleed on them.
Posted by: moki at October 18, 2011 06:39 PM (dZmFh)
Worth doing if for no other reason than to say you did it.
Posted by: tangonine at October 18, 2011 02:40 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: mpfs, Wants Someone To OccupyMyPants at October 18, 2011 02:41 PM (iYbLN)
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Yeah. I think it's just that I am starting to really loathe Romney, which I really didn't before. And now Cain is pissing me off, too.
Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 02:41 PM (5H6zj)
What? What are you even talking about? I was talking about Newt Gingrich. This has nothing to do with Mitt Romney. Newt Gingrich would be unelectable even he was running in a ONE-MAN primary. Shall we recap?
1.) He fumbled away the Republican Revolution with the government shutdown and the aftermath, to the point where not a SINGLE member of the GOP caucus who served with him -- and I'm not talking about the squishes we all hate, I'm talking about all of them, most especially the hardcore fiscal hawks -- would endorse or defend him. He was a TERRIBLE leader in a situation where a good one could have done great things. His signature act, Welfare Reform, only passed because Clinton pushed HARD for it in 1996 in order to secure his reelection, not because Gingrich did anything very smart.
2.) He is notoriously intellectually inconstant. He will throw out a ton of ideas, endorse some, change his mind later, double back, drop them, take them up again, zig-zag all over the map. This, more than anything, explains the whole "Nancy Pelosi on the couch" global warming BS.
3.) He has a longstanding pattern of treating women like absolute shit. He left not one, but TWO cancer-stricken wives for younger hotter women he was having affairs with. Republicans already have enough of a problem with the female vote -- Gingrich would lose women in epic, record numbers, and lose a ton of men too. He's just SCUM in his personal life. Holy shit -- how the fuck can you claim to be willing to overlook that? And seriously: even if YOU might be willing to, do you think the rest of the undecided voters (who aren't foaming hardcore conservative partisans like us) are willing? No. And no amount of economic distress will push them to the point where they are. After some threshold, values trump all.
4.) He is the quintessence of a smug Inside-the-Beltway Elite when True Conservatives keep arguing that we need to get away from such things. He, more than ANY of the other candidates, is the ultimate Creature of Washington.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 18, 2011 02:42 PM (hIWe1)
Tami-Cardinals-they've been taking blood for the last couple of weeks. I was scheduled for another CT scan next week, but apparently the one they have is good enough to go on. I'm glad they are not waiting-I am starting to feel run down and weak, so if they can get this flipping tumor out and help me get strong again, I'll go for it. But they surprised the hell out of me.Posted by: moki at October 18, 2011 02:43 PM (dZmFh)
Posted by: mpfs, Wants Someone To OccupyMyPants at October 18, 2011 06:41 PM (iYbLN)
Santorum reminds me of Jeff B. Even if you agree with him on something he's still coming across as a smug unlikeable ass.
Posted by: buzzion at October 18, 2011 02:43 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Jehu at October 18, 2011 02:44 PM (Bmj1j)
Posted by: Stella at October 18, 2011 02:44 PM (Z2GQx)
Posted by: moki at October 18, 2011 06:43 PM (dZmFh)
Oh...ok, they've already done it.
Wishing you a successful surgery and recovery, moki! Get better soon....we need you! Oh and get good drugs too.
Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 18, 2011 02:46 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Stella at October 18, 2011 06:44 PM (Z2GQx)
that leaves for a lot of open orifices.
Posted by: tangonine at October 18, 2011 02:47 PM (x3YFz)
I made four arguments. Only one of the (partially) implicated the idea of electability.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 18, 2011 02:49 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Stella at October 18, 2011 02:49 PM (Z2GQx)
I guess that people are forgetting that Newt quit both his job as Speaker and his Congressional seat....in one stroke. It was a two-fer resignation.
I am not bashing Newt. I love the guy for his ideas, and his spunkiness. .....But he's another professor-type who has zero experience at governing. ....And no, being Speaker is not governance, leading a bunch of legislators is not the same as leading the country. .........You can't tell large groups of people that they are 'out of order' or that their 'time has expired'.
No one who has quit a high office has ever come back to win an even higher office. .....It won't happen.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 18, 2011 02:50 PM (eqMgH)
"Ignoramus" does not mean "stupid." Cain. Does. Not. Know. Anything. About. Foreign. Policy. End.
As for my opinions, they are mine and backed up factually. Unlike calling Cain, Bachmann, and Santorum realistic conservative candidates....and then immediately backtracking.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 18, 2011 02:58 PM (7utQ2)
Losing the last election he was in by 20 percentage points.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 18, 2011 03:00 PM (hIWe1)
Perry has dropped fast enough, that Newt is number 3 in some polls, and if Cain stumbles or 9-9-9 is deemed too risky, Newt can become the not-Romney candidate... And who ever is the not-Romney at the end of December is probably the nominee
Posted by: phreshone at October 18, 2011 03:01 PM (T3vCe)
Agree with JeffB.
Posted by: Lana at October 18, 2011 03:12 PM (2cVan)
Posted by: hous bin pharteen at October 18, 2011 03:12 PM (mwEw5)
Posted by: sauropod at October 18, 2011 03:14 PM (14aF6)
Herman Cain: Sure, I can see myself releasing everyone at Gitmo in exchange for one U.S. POW
Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 03:16 PM (5H6zj)
God help us. I guess our only hope is Congress and the Senate.
Posted by: Nemo from Erewhon at October 18, 2011 03:17 PM (dozd0)
No. Your initial pronouncement to which i was responding was electability. You gave his flaws after I called you on it.
Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 03:18 PM (5H6zj)
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Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 03:19 PM (5H6zj)
I tried to post an intelligent remark about how much I despise Gingrich and any possibility of him as president. I will settle for just saying I loathe him. Pedantic, sniveling, opportunist holding hands with Nancy P---lousie on a couch fart smeller is all I could come up to describe how I feel about him. Nick Searcy seems like an earnest thinker. Raise some Cain and fasten your seatbelt. Something is coming and it's going to be historic.
Posted by: mantuaBill at October 18, 2011 03:22 PM (96j+b)
I pray that I'm wrong, but I think Romney loses by 5. Conservatives loath him and "independents" are going to pull the lever for the SCFOAMF anyway.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at October 18, 2011 03:26 PM (HtUdo)
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Posted by: Y-not at October 18, 2011 07:19 PM (5H6zj)
I've shit talked Newt endlessly, the personal baggage, Scozzoflaffa, right-wing social engineering, the infamous couch, but I damn do believe if Newt were delivered a solid Congress with pressure from the base to do something with it, he will, which Romney wouldn't.
Sad to say I've talked myself back into accepting Newt if need be.
Posted by: mugiwara at October 18, 2011 03:29 PM (KI/Ch)
What if this is Perry's strategy? Didn't he hire a bunch of particularly smart folks to run numbers and studies of past elections before he jumped in? It seems like there was something here about it.
What if, knowing both the fickle nature of the electorate and that, statistically, anyone will screw up royally if given enough time in the spotlight, he's sitting back and waiting?
What if he's waiting for Cain to play out, thereby leaving only two real possible candidates between which tremendous disparity can be found?
In any other year, I would say it's a damn smart strategy but, this year, we find ourselves with a shortened calendar and the first primary is like, tomorrow.
Perry is not stupid. Not by a long shot. He's also not lazy.
If my guess is right, and he's been laying low, tonight is the night he's going have to kick it into gear. Otherwise, his goose is cooked.
I have argued for states such as Florida holding earlier primaries in order to offset states such as Nevada (fer Chrissakes!) picking our candidate, but if the speculation by some here holds true, that the establishment is pushing it to keep Perry out, well they (the establishment), too, may be expecting Cain to take a dive and Perry to surge once again.
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 03:44 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Heartless Nora Who Knows Better Than To Hire Holdren For Anything at October 18, 2011 03:47 PM (VxqUc)
Who was his advisor that helped with the 9's? Was it Holdren? What role does Holdren have in the obowmao dismemberization?
Okay that was three questions, look at that conservatives can count.
Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at October 18, 2011 03:47 PM (Q1qy3)
It's only fair, ain't it?
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at October 18, 2011 03:50 PM (4sQwu)
It's only fair, ain't it?
Do not go there.
Posted by: As If! at October 18, 2011 03:52 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: kansas at October 18, 2011 03:53 PM (nNgbi)
I hope Perry does ignore the f'kn rules. It would be great if he just ignores the dumbass questions and says what he wants to say about the issues.
Anderson Cooper: "Gov Perry, is it true that you have passed by rocks with racial slurs on them and not immediately painted over them?"
Perry: "You are an idiot, Cooper. But let me say this....I would like to make the Federal Government as inconsequential in our lives as possible, starting with eliminating job-killing regulations and policies that strangle free enterprise."
Cooper: "You didn't answer my question, governor. What about those racist rocks?"
Perry: "I think that painted rocks have nothing to do with getting our country working again. Our current president is a control freak who is would rather punish job creators than get out of their way and let them create jobs. Bite me, Cooper."
Herman Cain: "That was an insensitive remark."
Perry: "Herman, why don't you explain to us how that sensitive electric fence is going to work even better along the banks of the Rio Grande river and the large lakes along the border."
Michelle Bachmann: "Gov Perry wants to hold little girls down and innoculate them with Liquid Whore".
Perry: "Be careful when you're in Texas, Michelle, we shoot feral hogs."
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