September 10, 2011
— Ace Is this something?
I think it's something.
A big part of a consumer's decision-making in buying a car is what that vehicle says and stands for, what it says about him. Sure, the practical needs are paramount, but for any list of practical needs there are a handful of models satisfying that list; choosing between them comes down to intangible factors.
Ford thinks that the company standing on its own will appeal to consumers. Especially, I guess, in the truck market, where you'd imagine standing on your own two feet would be a particularly relevant brand identity.
Almost all truck ads are about masculinity and old-fashioned values. The advertisements themselves display the trucks, but the music and text is all about feeling and attitude.
If Ford makes a serious pitch on these grounds, they could profit.
Because what's GM going to say? Imagine a truck advertisement with the tagline, Because being a real man is admitting that sometimes you need a shoulder to cry on.
Thanks to Andy.
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Posted by: T-Bone at September 10, 2011 01:49 PM (5P7QL)
Posted by: warthogman at September 10, 2011 01:49 PM (Y5Onq)
Posted by: peter toal at September 10, 2011 01:50 PM (fW/eo)
Posted by: alexthechick at September 10, 2011 01:50 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Uriah Heep at September 10, 2011 01:51 PM (KaHVv)
Posted by: stace at September 10, 2011 01:52 PM (lYlx9)
People wouldn't know what it meant, so there would be all kind of mystery and buzz
Posted by: beedubya at September 10, 2011 01:52 PM (AnTyA)
("I think it's something." That's correct.)
Posted by: PJ at September 10, 2011 05:50 PM (FlVA
Supposedly these are actual ford owners for these types of commercials and their responses aren't scripted.
Posted by: buzzion at September 10, 2011 01:53 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Xavier at September 10, 2011 01:55 PM (Qwb54)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 10, 2011 01:55 PM (u9B7L)
Posted by: Jellytoast at September 10, 2011 01:55 PM (LXFli)
Posted by: stace at September 10, 2011 05:52 PM (lYlx9)
Yeah really. If you're looking for American made vehicles, you're better off looking towards Toyotas and Hondas
Posted by: buzzion at September 10, 2011 01:56 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 10, 2011 01:56 PM (u9B7L)
Posted by: Manbearpig hates grammar at September 10, 2011 01:56 PM (x2H9B)
DrVaugh, Ford gave you the t-shirt, or you got it on your own?
There's hope for the republic.
Posted by: PJ at September 10, 2011 01:56 PM (FlVA8)
Posted by: Darin H at September 10, 2011 01:59 PM (8lzmH)
I recently was in the market for a 4x4. I looked at a Jeep Wrangler, a Ford Raptor and a Toyota FJ. At the end of the day, I just couldn't pull the trigger on something tainted with the stench of UAW scum. So now my very first foreign car sits in my drive way. And I love it.
Posted by: DanInMN at September 10, 2011 02:00 PM (pI80w)
you may get to buy the Ford anyway then....
the UAW used to play "slam the take higher" by playing the big3 against each other...they are going to go for Ford's throat since the UAW warchest is now tied to Chrysler/GM's performance.....
if Ford locks them out I will buy them forever
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2011 02:01 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 10, 2011 02:01 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: chazmartel at September 10, 2011 02:01 PM (OV2xF)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 10, 2011 02:02 PM (UlUS4)
I bought a Caddy back in '05. Figgered all things being equal I'd give my money to an American company over foreign, if the cars were equally good and the Caddy was. Unfortunately, even though I still love it, I don't think I'll buy another. Because of Obama.
Oh, and I almost forgot, because of my wife. She'll kill me if I buy Government Motors. She's more hard core than I am, even.
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2011 02:02 PM (LIGfi)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 10, 2011 02:03 PM (nRTou)
Can't blame them. Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagon, and Honda have all found that right to work states free of the UAW's meddling make for the best stateside production.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at September 10, 2011 02:04 PM (ijjAe)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 10, 2011 02:04 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Tea Party Terrorist and Barbarian at September 10, 2011 02:05 PM (UOM48)
I do wish they'd build in Texas just to piss Ogabe off and to try to stabilize Juarez and the Mequilas.....
Hell India may be the best rally point for all of us if we lose.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 10, 2011 02:05 PM (AEIYh)
Maybe that famous Longshoreman's Union spokesman, Mr. F*ck You C*cksucker, could be a spokeman for GM and Chyrsler products.
"I bought a GM truck because f*ck you, that's why. And you better buy one too. We know where you live."
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 10, 2011 02:07 PM (SYrAh)
If it happens, I'll be (back to being) a Ford man. Hated to sell my F-150 a couple of years ago.
Posted by: Darin H at September 10, 2011 02:07 PM (8lzmH)
Posted by: SarahW at September 10, 2011 02:07 PM (OoFwu)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 10, 2011 02:07 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at September 10, 2011 02:08 PM (00hVo)
That would be roughly $14,000 today. Except that you couldn't touch that same car now for under $25,000.
Posted by: Vic at September 10, 2011 02:09 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Tea Party Terrorist and Barbarian at September 10, 2011 02:09 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2011 02:10 PM (LIGfi)
Posted by: Tennyson at September 10, 2011 02:12 PM (JNgNV)
17 I will NEVER buy a GM or Chrysler
Posted by: Vic at September 10, 2011 05:56 PM (M9Ie6)
Amen Brother
Posted by: chemjeff at September 10, 2011 02:13 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: x11b1p at September 10, 2011 02:14 PM (nVLlM)
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2011 02:14 PM (LIGfi)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at September 10, 2011 02:16 PM (ijjAe)
It will be interesting to see how Ford handles this. I hope they let the UAW strike, as the unemployment picture should make the UAW very vulnerable.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 10, 2011 02:16 PM (ENKCw)
Interesting.... I have an uncle who lives in Texas who collects old Fords. Buys them and rebuilds them. Specifically, 1932 V8's.
Every one of his old Fords has a bumper sticker that says "Made in Texas by Texans".
Now I know why.
Posted by: Fuloydo at September 10, 2011 02:17 PM (EC2go)
Posted by: Living In The Bubble at September 10, 2011 02:17 PM (3S10h)
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at September 10, 2011 06:14 PM (Lt/Za)
Makes me nostalgic. And sad. I think that America is gone...or soon to be.
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2011 02:18 PM (LIGfi)
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2011 02:20 PM (LIGfi)
Posted by: sandy burger at September 10, 2011 02:21 PM (KPw+j)
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2011 06:20 PM (LIGfi)
Exactly.
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at September 10, 2011 02:23 PM (SYrAh)
Anyone remember Dinah Shore singing THIS?
Posted by: Fish the Impaler at September 10, 2011 06:14 PM (Lt/Za)
We used to parody that with...
See the USSR,
In your armored car.
You better take along a gun or two.
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at September 10, 2011 02:24 PM (lpWVn)
The Age of The SCOAMF version:
"See the U.S.A. in your high speed rail, 'cause your Volt will take you only 'round the block."
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit Son of a Bitch at September 10, 2011 02:25 PM (00hVo)
Posted by: aso at September 10, 2011 02:26 PM (8mogO)
I dunno, I was too young for Howdy Doody, but that guy looks deranged. He's almost daring the kids not to sing. Slackers will receive punishments galore.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2011 02:27 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: willow at September 10, 2011 02:27 PM (h+qn8)
This POS is what passes for editorial opinion making in the pages of the Detroit Free Press. "Rick 'Abolish Social Security' Perry".
From the comments: "There is more evidence from Obama's own mouth and pen that he is a Muslim, socialist, Alinsky-ite, who hates America and white people, than there is evidence that Rick Perry wants to get rid of Social Security."
Posted by: Barky O at September 10, 2011 02:27 PM (u+8qs)
I would love an F150. I have no need for it, other than loading up the hobos after a good hunt, but still. Want one.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 10, 2011 02:30 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2011 06:20 PM (LIGfi)
Indeed. When my dad taught me how to drive, I had to learn how to drive a stick (including stop and go on a hill) and how to parallel park, along with all of the other particulars. I had several frustrating afternoons but I am so glad now for those lessons.
Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at September 10, 2011 02:31 PM (otfJ1)
Posted by: tangonine at September 10, 2011 02:31 PM (x3YFz)
I remember it, but obviously not that particular version. I don't remember a lot about 1952 except that warm feeling when I shit myself.
Did that commercial run on into the later 50s?
Posted by: Vic at September 10, 2011 02:32 PM (M9Ie6)
practice engaging the clutch till you're rolling on a level road while idling.
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at September 10, 2011 02:32 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: bostonirish at September 10, 2011 02:33 PM (7BnTk)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 10, 2011 02:34 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: Barky O at September 10, 2011 06:27 PM (u+8qs)
The comments there are running heavily against his libel/opinion. That is a good sign.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 10, 2011 02:34 PM (ENKCw)
I've gone back and forth on this. Ford did the right thing and I want to reward them. I already have two Fords. I'd like to see Ford do a Boeing by moving their base of operations out of MI and to right to work states, and then tell the UAW to suck it.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2011 02:35 PM (6TB1Z)
A co-worker got a new Chevy 3500 in May.
He still hasn't heard the end of it from the rest of the crew.
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at September 10, 2011 02:36 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2011 06:20 PM (LIGfi)
Amen. Our kids didn't want to -- but all of our cars were -- so they had no choice. I told them I was able to boost my earnings when I was their age because I was able to drive a stick and the vehicles at my place of work all were that.
Posted by: No Whining at September 10, 2011 02:36 PM (wX3Af)
Posted by: Tennyson at September 10, 2011 02:36 PM (JNgNV)
WTF?
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 10, 2011 06:34 PM (cbyrC)
I do, and I am looking forward to him creating his seal for "Office of the President Reject" in about fourteen months.
Posted by: No Whining at September 10, 2011 02:38 PM (wX3Af)
Posted by: Unka Leroy at September 10, 2011 02:44 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: Tennyson at September 10, 2011 02:48 PM (JNgNV)
Posted by: Former SSG at September 10, 2011 02:48 PM (xPMwd)
They accepted TALF loans in 2008 and ATVMLP loans for bullshit energy efficiency in 2007.
Lying sacks of shit.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 10, 2011 02:48 PM (s1vtf)
I'll never buy from a Bailout car company. I decided that a long time ago.
Didn't PJ O'Rourke have an article where he described Ford as the last non-mafia garbage collector in town?
Posted by: Z Ryan at September 10, 2011 02:50 PM (FjmSl)
Just bought a F350 Quad Cab, Lariat (very expensive, but worth every penny). This is our third Ford truck, but it won't be our last. It's better quality and a better truck, but we made sure to tell the dealership that the main reason we were there was that Ford didn't take the bailout.
Drove it through the Dodge dealership on the way home and waved.
Posted by: ColoradoCristine at September 10, 2011 02:51 PM (VOVhv)
Posted by: Bosk at September 10, 2011 02:51 PM (AFcK1)
Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at September 10, 2011 06:31 PM (otfJ1)
I taught both my kids - son and daughter - how to drive a stick. Funny, my daughter's married now - she can drive one but her husband can't.
Really, the only gear you need to teach is first. Once they have that down the rest are easy. Even if they shift sloppy they won't stall - except in first.
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2011 02:52 PM (LIGfi)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 10, 2011 02:53 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: LGoPs at September 10, 2011 02:54 PM (LIGfi)
Posted by: Tennyson at September 10, 2011 02:55 PM (JNgNV)
Posted by: Methos at September 10, 2011 02:59 PM (sOXQX)
I have no idea what made me think of this right now, but anyone else remember the seal Obama made for his "Office of the President Elect?"
WTF?
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 10, 2011 06:34 PM (cbyrC)
Of course I do. Though it was not made for the President Elect. They actually used it once during the campaign and we were blasting him for it, and it wasn't seen again until he became President Elect.
Posted by: buzzion at September 10, 2011 02:59 PM (GULKT)
We will not buy a GM vehicle ever again. The rape of the bondholders, the screwing over of stock owners, and the fleecing of the taxpayers was done with the thuggery of an out-of-control government. Obama and Napolitano may be able to force Americans to be molested at the airport, but they can't (yet) force us to buy this union racket garbage.
Posted by: Multitude at September 10, 2011 03:02 PM (ijdDW)
It would seem appropriate, somehow.
Posted by: comatus at September 10, 2011 03:04 PM (NA+Ul)
Posted by: Brett_McS at September 10, 2011 03:06 PM (s3LgH)
Posted by: Jean at September 10, 2011 03:10 PM (EBBBm)
I'm sure the GM vehicles were too middle class for Michelle anyway.
Posted by: Multitude at September 10, 2011 03:11 PM (ijdDW)
Posted by: buzzion at September 10, 2011 03:13 PM (GULKT)
Better than Chrysler's laughable attempt to fool us into thinking a burned out ghetto is back, just like a zombie automaker
Posted by: kbdabear at September 10, 2011 03:14 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: ryukyu at September 10, 2011 03:15 PM (MOHSR)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 10, 2011 03:17 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: ryukyu at September 10, 2011 07:15 PM
The Camaro is built on the Aussie Holden Zeta platform and is basically an Aussie car. Not that they don't appreciate good muscle down in Oz
Posted by: kbdabear at September 10, 2011 03:18 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: DriveBy at September 10, 2011 03:20 PM (C9Vc8)
Posted by: Jean at September 10, 2011 03:22 PM (EBBBm)
Who the hell thought of that idiot hipster commercial for the Nissan Versa that pops up over and over on TV?
I hate it so much I want the hipsters hit by a train in their Versa
Posted by: kbdabear at September 10, 2011 03:25 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 10, 2011 03:25 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Jean at September 10, 2011 03:26 PM (EBBBm)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 10, 2011 07:18 PM
Monte Carlo SS for me but friggin' aye. Mad Max baaaby.
Posted by: ryukyu at September 10, 2011 03:26 PM (MOHSR)
And I'd like to take questions about it, during it.
Posted by: Kensington at September 10, 2011 03:31 PM (uaEZS)
Posted by: Jean at September 10, 2011 07:26 PM (EBBBm)
Oh absolutely, and I bet they were extremely happy he said it because he's just a customer voicing his opinion. But I still think GM airing a comercial of their CEO saying they paid back their loan to the government is more dishonest.
Posted by: buzzion at September 10, 2011 03:32 PM (GULKT)
1966 Fairlane GT, 390, 4 speed ...1969 Torino Cobra Jet, 428. 4 speed.
I smoked more than a few chevys in the day.
Wish I had those cars in my garage today. sigh.
Posted by: just another dave at September 10, 2011 03:40 PM (pxKLd)
Posted by: JPS at September 10, 2011 03:41 PM (wS6Sf)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 10, 2011 03:48 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: fused at September 10, 2011 03:50 PM (P34gz)
Posted by: Jean at September 10, 2011 03:52 PM (EBBBm)
Posted by: torabora at September 10, 2011 03:53 PM (Xx//h)
Posted by: Buck O. Phive at September 10, 2011 03:59 PM (R2ShP)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2011 04:03 PM (r4wIV)
^ Now have a 1978 Bronco. I will never let it go.
Posted by: just another dave at September 10, 2011 04:04 PM (pxKLd)
Posted by: NMS at September 10, 2011 04:18 PM (4/C0H)
Posted by: Boston12GS at September 10, 2011 04:18 PM (hvrPG)
Posted by: Willpower Audio Book at September 10, 2011 04:19 PM (7xiCQ)
Posted by: I know who I am but don't care at September 10, 2011 04:26 PM (iniPz)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 10, 2011 04:26 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Hobo with a laptop at September 10, 2011 04:26 PM (/r6MY)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 10, 2011 04:27 PM (jeLTI)
Posted by: Errol at September 10, 2011 04:32 PM (vewos)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 10, 2011 04:34 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Hi at September 10, 2011 04:45 PM (V4VQp)
Posted by: Cornfed at September 10, 2011 04:48 PM (YMA8H)
It's coming down to a short box F150 crew cab or a Tacoma crew cab. Has to fit inside the garage so that I can walk completely around the vehicle while having room for workbenches and all stuff.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at September 10, 2011 05:00 PM (btzPD)
I really have to wonder ho much of the American public understands what went down with GM. How standing bankruptcy law was completely ignored and and a massive theft committed the government. This alone should have been enough to have people screaming bloody murder but most seem oblivious to the whole thing. Some I've heard say it was just a bunch of zillionaires who got screwed, so who cares. They cannot seem to imagine what a government that would do a big crime might do to someone of far lesser means to defend themselves.
Posted by: epobirs at September 10, 2011 05:02 PM (kcfmt)
Posted by: Frank G at September 10, 2011 05:03 PM (1rPxL)
2) Ford did a good job retooling its plants bringing its high-efficiency Euro models to the US at our lower cost of production
3) lots of Mexican production (fusions) of Fords. Bought one anyway last year... (no union labor their)
4) Ford will have a major fight with UAW this time around... hints that UAW is going for a $10,000 per Union member signing bonus on all three contracts (it was $3-4,000 for the last contract)
5) Ford got burned in China recently with a transmission plant JV with Gertag which pumped out a bunch of bad manual transmissions used for the 2011 Mustang (china has notoriously poor metalugy)
6) don't forget that on almost every car company's website, you can look through dealer inventory and get the actual window sticker, which will tell you where that car is assembled, and what the US content is...
Posted by: phreshone at September 10, 2011 05:08 PM (T3vCe)
Posted by: Robert Davis at September 10, 2011 05:09 PM (cH5zY)
Who do you think the stockholders of GM, Ford and Chrysler are? Many of them are foreign investors. "home to Japan" doesn't really mean all that much.
I had been a GM truck guy my whole adult life. A year after the bailout, I swore I'd never buy another one just on principle. Knowing fist had the unreliability of Ford and Dodge (grandpa's F-350 was ALWAYS in the shop...and there's a reason Dodge trucks are so "affordable)...in the course of my research I came to learn that GM trucks are built in Canada, while Ford and Dodge are built in Mexico.
The ONLY truck designed and built in the United States (by non-union workers in San Antonio, TX)?
Yeah, I bought a Tundra.
So what if after the workers and shareholders are paid a few bucks go back to Japan? The bulk of my money went to the salaries of Non-union Americans...
...and I got a truck I like WAY better than any previous truck I've owned (it's my fourth).
Posted by: Sgt. York at September 10, 2011 05:17 PM (fhLYa)
I don't even wish to purchase a Chrysler or GM product to replace our old Ram. Looks like we'll be going with a built-in-the-USA Toyota.
GM and others are finding out that decisions have consequences.
Posted by: Constant Conservative at September 10, 2011 05:26 PM (djEcW)
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at September 10, 2011 05:33 PM (F2zrw)
This older red headed woman thanks you, and hopes to meet you at a press conference some day.
Posted by: MissTammy at September 10, 2011 05:41 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Robert Davis at September 10, 2011 05:46 PM (cH5zY)
Posted by: Robert Davis at September 10, 2011 05:49 PM (cH5zY)
I will say this about union workers; in many large towns, you don't have a lot of say about joining a union. If there are three decent employers in your town, and they're all union shops, you do what you have to do.
My husband is in freaking SEIU, for crying out loud; his hospital went union, and with 24 years vested and 5 to go before he could retire, he wasn't up to quitting to avoid joining the union.
I doubt that ALL UAW workers are scums, and I am buying Ford from here on out. I do still drive a 1986 Toyota pick-up, however, and Thor drove a Honda Civic hatchback til it finally died with 380,000 miles on it, so I understand why people like Japanese cars. (We bought a Ford Ranger when the Honda died, and I love it)
Posted by: MissTammy at September 10, 2011 05:52 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Alamo at September 10, 2011 06:32 PM (Cv3GE)
Posted by: MisterMoney at September 10, 2011 06:41 PM (wN82N)
Posted by: steevy at September 10, 2011 07:08 PM (fyOgS)
I've thought about that too. The individuals are probably much like the rest of us, just trying to get by as best they can. However, the leadership is reprehensible. I'm sure the corporate leadership team of Ford has as much or more antipathy for the UAW leadership as we do. So whether to buy from them or not gets complicated.
However, at the end of the day, a few cents out of every dollar you spend with with the Big 3 goes into political contributions to causes we despise.
That said, if Ford gets out of the union contract, I will be buying a sweet Lincoln MKZ or MKS as my summer car keeping my FJ as my "oh dear god why I did I move to Minnesota?" winter ride.
Posted by: DanInMN at September 10, 2011 07:12 PM (pI80w)
Consumer backlast against the Bailout recipients?
Yes....that's something.
I wonder if that could explain the ailments of some of the other recipients like Bank of America?
A lot of consumers aren't really that aware though, of who got a bailout..... Ford is making sure people don't forget that they weren't one of them.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 10, 2011 07:21 PM (1keYa)
Posted by: NY Betsy Rose at September 10, 2011 07:30 PM (a/wJb)
Posted by: Jamfish at September 10, 2011 07:32 PM (QjZhI)
Now I drive a Ford F-150 Raptor.
This anti-bailout sentiment is real. Nearly everyone I talk to about my truck, and believe me, it is a fantastic truck that draws plenty of conversation, agrees that they won't buy Chrysler or GM either.
The next few years in the lives of those companies should be very telling.
Posted by: BigDan at September 10, 2011 08:28 PM (IlHhR)
Damn. Pretty sweet ride.
I have an F-150 plain as dirt pickup. The windows are manually operated (Which is a feature I specifically seek out). The tool box was removed from an old truck. It's probably twenty years old (truck is pretty new).
Even this incredibly cheap ride of mine is reliable and respectable in quality. The last GM I had that was decent was one of the pre-UAW Saturns. Most of my cars have been GM, but now it's Ford or Honda, just because I can't waste money on a car I can't rely on.
The bailout crap is just a symptom of the real disease. GM/Chrysler are rotten to the core, and that's why they ultimately needed corrupt crony bailout cash, and to screw their own investors as well as warranty holders (in GM's case).
Ford took some government money, and they share the union label, so in many ways they suck. but they aren't rotten to the core, like GM is. Buying Ford sends a message, too.
Posted by: Dustin at September 10, 2011 11:06 PM (fF625)
Yeah...two got bailouts and the third makes complete shite.
Posted by: Sgt. York at September 11, 2011 12:48 AM (fhLYa)
Posted by: Sgt. York at September 11, 2011 12:52 AM (fhLYa)
Posted by: Buddy Bizarre at September 11, 2011 02:09 AM (y+LPw)
The current Camaro is also ugly as crap, and can be barely distinguished from the identically ugly Dodge Charger.
All current cars look alike. It's almost as if one engineer designed them all. The only difference in some cases is the shape of headlights which you can only see in your rear vision mirror at night when you are not really paying attention to the look of the car behind you.
I wondered whether we had reached an aerodynamic palteau with car designs or all car makers are just trying to save money by simply slapping their own badge on a current generic design.
Posted by: Decaf at September 11, 2011 03:23 AM (XUoX3)
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Posted by: Robert Davis at September 11, 2011 10:19 AM (cH5zY)
I have always tried to support our made-in-America brands....but now it comes down to supporting the UAW, or not.
So it will probably be 'not' from now on.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 11, 2011 10:48 AM (Sim4P)
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