1 You're running short on Muppets .

2 Janice (the Bass Player)

Dude...I'd hit it.

3 Yep.  GONZO them all. 

4 Man, I didn't even know there were that many Muppets.

5 Okay- yeah, this topic- not SCOAMF appropriate.

I think pedophiles should be executed, and those who knowingly allow their behavior are not much better.

6 I hope you feel absolved now. The police have Sandusky and hopefully have forgotten to remove a rope from his cell.

7 The BoT needs to pull Joe Pa out of that program now, btw.  Letting him retire on his own terms is not acceptable.

8

Shit's about to get bad in Happy Valley.

 

It's big news here in SWPA.

Before this all hit, there were rumors that JoePa would retire at the end of the year as his contract was up and that Urban Meyer would come take the job, however  I can't see why Meyer would want to come into this situation.

As for the house cleaning at PSU, it'll happen.  Everyone involved will get punished by the law, unfortunately they won't get what they actually deserve.

9 paterno is a creep

10 Tell us how you really feel...

11 The police have Sandusky and hopefully have forgotten to remove a rope from his cell.

I believe he's out.  He posted $100,000 cash bail. 

Probably paid for by some asinine booster.

The other one (in addition to all the PSU staffers) who should be up on some sort of charges is the university counsel, who had a conflict of interest when he was advising both PSU and Sandusky's foundation. 

12 I wanted to stick with "Muppet Show" muppets only, but I had to go back and grab a couple of classics there at the end.  It was either that or go with obscure ones like CARMELLA THE CHICKEN.

13 I read the Grand Jury Report this morning. Absolutely sickening. And yes, Paterno should be fired, now!

14 Eddiebear, is that you?

15 What? They allowed Sandusky to post bail? WTH? JoePa and the university President should be in jail for being complicit throughnegligience. Bastards.

16
Good ol' Russ.

Giving us his thoughts on an old story that has been beaten to death already.

17 Rush alluded to an issue regarding this incident that he did not identify other than to say that it was blatantly obvious but not talked about.  I think what he meant was that in the PC world of academia, who is to know who will be in more trouble, the male coach sexually abusing a boy or the homophobic witness who reports him?

18 Please know that those 500 idiot students only reflect themselves. There are over 44,000 students enrolled at the University Park campus. The greater State College community is disgusted with the whole situation and want them all gone (Joe, McQueary, Curley, Schultz, Spanier, and the enablers on the Board of Trustees). I've talked with many, many people who are angry and outraged. Some are saddened and heartbroken. But I've talked with no one who thinks that this is no big deal or who are upset that this has distracted from the football.

19
I so look forward to next month when Russ posts about Herman Cain.

20 Jerry Sandusky's autobiography, title is not a joke

21 And what about that cocksucker McQueary? He personally witnesses the rape happening and stands by for years while that bucktoothed fuckface raper is still using the football facilities? He's worse than that senile old fuck Paterno. There's not a shred of honor in the leadership of that program.

22 Oh, and interestingly, the local prosecutor to whom a report was made and then failed to act has disappeared, and has actually been declared dead by a court so his estate could be settled. Although, reported sightings of him keep trickling in. Very interesting.

23 Don't hold back. Though I agree with you.

But I do feel a bit bad for the players on the team that will be booed mercilessly, especially the younger players and everyone else who knew nothing about this as the program is now ruined. Going to make for interesting fan signs in the stands, the television cameras will have to be careful.

24 Swedish Chef . I'm a giver .

25 I hate to interfere with the lynching... but is there any evidence of the "facts" here?

26 It's not the first evil inflicted on us by a University Administration, but it's a biggie.

27 Actually, Sandusky posted no bond. It was unsecured. He has, however, been banned from visiting unsupervised with his grandchildren or having overnight visitors. Some local saw Sandusky working out at a local gym. I'd have a hard time not wanting to knock him right out.

28 17 Rush alluded to an issue regarding this incident that he did not identify other than to say that it was blatantly obvious but not talked about.  I think what he meant was that in the PC world of academia, who is to know who will be in more trouble, the male coach sexually abusing a boy or the homophobic witness who reports him?
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My husband and I were talking about this this morning and he thinks that if the President (whose ass should be toast as well) wants to attempt to redeem himself slightly he should, on the way out, explain how the PC climate about "lifestyle choices" contributed to the rationalization of Sandusky's crimes for so many years. 

It is also a sick joke that the President's academic discipline is family sociology. 

29 New PennState Mascot.

30

(The 19-year old boy who was raped in the shower as a 10-year old back in 2002 was unavailable for comment.)

(Good. The courts may need his testimony. I certainly don't.)

31

(CBS/CNN) - A former Penn State football coach is out of jail on $100,000 bond.

Police arrested Jerry Sandusky over the weekend for allegedly sexually assaulting eight underage boys over a 15-year period.

32 22. Dave - YES. That is a very interesting tangent to this story. DEFINITELY his disappearance is connected! no doubt in my mind. Great post Russ! The whole thing is just crushing. Effing jock-sniffing boostering . . . ARGH!!!!

33 Why is this COOKIE MONSTER being allowed to finish out the season? PSU admins have screwed the ROWLF THE DOG pooch yet again. As far as I can tell, Joe Pa is guilty of a SWEDISH CHEF felony, and deserves the same OSCAR THE GROUCH bork-bork-borking that Sandusky's gonna get in KERMIT-me-in-the-ass state prison.

34 Facts?  Well, other than the documented allegations of eight young men, the other nine or ten that have come out of the closet after the grand jury indictment was made public, and eyewitness testimony regarding Coach Sandusky pounding a 10-year old kid up the squeakhole in the showers at the on-campus football facility.......it's pretty much a circumstantial case.

35

It's a cult. Last night's pep rally and a lot of the comments I've read at other places make it feel that way to me. Paterno can do no wrong, Penn State can do no wrong, it's Spanier/Curley/Schultz's fault. It's McQueary's fault. It's someone else's fault because Paterno is a good wholesome paragon of virtue and could never possibly look the other way to save his own skin.

He should be fired.

36 What a bunch of sick fucks.  Damn them all to hell. All of them.

37 ....... explain how the PC climate about "lifestyle choices" contributed to the rationalization of Sandusky's crimes for so many years. Pedophilia a lifestyle choice ?

38 It's "Rowlf" the dog.  But I wouldn't expect a Cyclone to get that right.

And Barack Obama is a Stuttering Cluster SAM THE EAGLE of a Miserable Failure

39 Carmella, obscure!? Don't make me come over there.

40 They have not found the victim from 2002 (unless he contacted them recently).  I assume that's why they have not gone after the grad assistant -- they need his eye witness testimony because they don't have the victim. 

41
What we need is a photo of Sandusky and Obama.

or Biden.

42 I read in the local paper that is was an unsecured bond. That means that he promises to pay the money if he doesn't show up for the court date but that he doesn't have to put any money upfront.

43

I read the report and how in the world did Curley think a 60+ year old man and a 10 year old boy were "horsing around" in the showers??

 

This isn't some highschool kids whipping each other with wet towels. It's an old man and young boy in a shower at 9:30 pm.

 

 

44 We have a post on Penn State - but nothing on Fast and Furious?The conspiracy is starting to crack with a former US attorney admitting to smearing whistle blower Dodson.

This is the guy who will finger Holder.

It meets all the criteria for a criminal conspiracy: crimes were committed - more than one person involved in planning and committing those crimes.

As has been pointed out elsewhere stonewalling is all that is left to the administration; if they could have put the blame on somebody they would have done so already. They can't because Obama's finger prints are all over this. Only he could change agency policy, only he could have ordered a black ops operation like this.

Grow a pair Ace, give us a flaming skull and admit the obvious: Fast and Furious is a criminal conspiracy; it can't be anything else. Watergate was a criminal conspiracy, so is this. Run with this ball - it is a winner.

45

I am totally going to adopt the "Muppets" strategy of cursing. It is FOZZIE BEAR excellent!

46 Yeah, 400 students out of several tens of thousands.

Probably explains why you want to murder all Muslims over the actions of a few as well.

47

I realize that the Greater Penn State Community did nothing wrong in this case. Unless more evidence comes out that the tens of thousands of Penn State students, alumni and fans in Western Pennsylvania actually knew about this story before it broke and did nothing, it's hard to tar them all with the same broad brush.

I was in State College that year as John was going to graduate school.  There was nothing about this in the news at the time. 

Given that the Lions weren't actually doing very well the years I was there, if it had hit the news Paterno might have been afraid that he was vulnerable to losing his position.  Although doing the right thing and calling the police is the only moral and ethical choice he really had. 

48 Seriously now -- I can't believe Paterno is being allowed to finish out the season.

In fact, I don't believe he WILL be allowed to finish out the season.  The pressure to let him go immediately is going to be irresistible, and rightfully so.

49 Well, OSCAR that noise...

50 My husband and I saw the footage this morning of Joe Pa's supporters...we both said pretty much the same thing...what if the 10 year old boy had been their brother, or cousin, or nephew?

51 I think pedophiles should be executed, and those who knowingly allow their behavior are not much better.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 09, 2011 12:41 PM (8y9MW)

Put him in the general population of the prison, then act surprised.

52

They have not found the victim from 2002 (unless he contacted them recently).  I assume that's why they have not gone after the grad assistant -- they need his eye witness testimony because they don't have the victim.

I believe I read yesterday that the authorities think they have found him.

53

also, what parent lets their kid spend the night at an old man's house?

 

Really, who does that?

54 Tell us how you really feel!

I agree, though, Russ.  Something is really messed up with society.  Something is coarsened.  I don't know if it's worse than the past, but it's wrong today, which is what matters.

Where's the outrage and shame?  Where's the priorities?  Where's the idea that a line can't be crossed, even if you're Michael Jackson or OJ Simpson?

55

This whole thing makes me so sick, 'effin bastards. I don't see how any parent, any moral human being cannot be sickened by this - which is why I just cannot understand those students at Penn State on a support binge for JoePa. I cannot believe the represent the greater community of students who are probably as disgusted and appalled as the rest of us.

56 Those jocks are all perverts. I think we should organize SNAFU (Survivors Network of those Abused by Footballers at Universities) and sue college football into bankruptcy.

57 I read the report and how in the world did Curley think a 60+ year old man and a 10 year old boy were "horsing around" in the showers??

Particularly given that it was in 1998 that a mother reported Sandusky to campus police for an incident with her son in the PSU showers.  That was the case that was investigated by the DA who disappeared. 

So there is no way Joe Pa didn't know that Sandusky had a problem. 

58 but is there any evidence of the "facts" here?

Besides reports (from multiple sources) that the ANIMAL in question confessed to at least one (and I think two) of the children's mothers?  And that a Grand Jury handed down an indictment?

None.  Nothing.  Just like Herman Cain's accusers, this 3 year investigation is made up of only hear-say and lies from less-than-credible sources.

Or, you know: Lots.

One or the other.

59
What's the BIG lesson here?

What have we learned from this and from Brett Favre, Roger Clemens, and Michael Jackson?

These were all once false gods, idols, and they fell.

60 Too bad for him Jerry Sandusky was a football coach and not a major Hollywood film director like Roman Polansky or Victor Salva.

61

 >>hate to interfere with the lynching... but is there any evidence of the "facts" here?

If we're to use the Cain standard and dismiss the 20 or so boys who were sexually harassed and in some cases raped, then no. No evidence at all.

62 “On Monday, law-enforcement officials said that Mr. Paterno had met his legal obligation in alerting his superiors at the university when he learned of the 2002 allegation against Mr. Sandusky.”

Yeah. Let's run with this and go after the whole school but no posts on actual illegal activity by the ATF lately.

63 47 oh boy here we go

64

Echoing the sentiment that all of PSU is not culpable here, but SCOOTER Penn State football.

65

I question the timing.  Didn't Paterno just set the record for most FBS victories over the Grambling coach.  After he does that, then the crap hits the fan?  Hmmm...  No more records to get now, so they can finally push the old man out.

66 I think Paterno should have resigned or been fired ASAP and not allowed to finish out this season, but having said that, I can live with him resigning right after the game. BUT lets see how this plays out. If there is a huge out cry, he may still be forced out before this weekend's game.

67 And I too hightly doubt Joe Pa will be on the field on Saturday...nice try there, Mr. Paterno,, but you will not dictate the terms of your exit...GTFO, you and every other gutless enabler.

68 I hate to interfere with the lynching... but is there any evidence of the "facts" here?

Police listened in on a phone conversation to him talking to a mother of the one of the boys and admitting that it was 'wrong" of him to take a shower with her son.

In the same conversation he also admitted that he were dead.

69 I think pedophiles should be executed, and those who knowingly allow their behavior are not much better.

Nail their testicles to a tree stump, light the stump on fire and give the ped a rusty butter knife to cut his way free.

Told to me by an LDS Bishop no less.  No mention on what to do with the female kind, but I'm sure he'd have thought of something.

70 14 Eddiebear, is that you?


No, with eddiebear you get facecock.

71 Just be sure, when you use the term "sub-genius" as an insult, to include a hyphen in it. J.R. "Bob" Dobbs is not a man to trifle with.

72 I have read the grand jury report and it is the most disturbing thing I've laid eyes on in a long time. Everyone who knew at Penn State needs to go. Coach Paterno? That billion dollar endowment you are credited with is going to come in handy to pay the victim's families. That's your legacy now Coach.

73 It's "Rowlf" the dog. But I wouldn't expect a Cyclone to get that right.

And Barack Obama is a Stuttering Cluster SAM THE EAGLE of a Miserable Failure

Posted by: HobbieHawk at November 09, 2011 12:52 PM (IPGju)

 

46 to 43.  Scoreboard SNUFFLEUPHAGUS!

74  17 victims have come forward to date.  F all of these slimeballs at Penn State.  Up the backside.  With red hot pokers.  And even that is too good for them.

They all should be gone now!

75 Nice.

76 >>also, what parent lets their kid spend the night at an old man's house?

He was a respected member of the community who ran a youth program.  He was also married with (adopted) kids. 

His beard of a wife should be ashamed of herself, too.  I'll be shocked if some of their foster kids weren't also molested. 

77
Rick Patino is another one.

They will all fall.

the idol Obama will, one day, crumble, too

78 YOU USED BEAKER!

BEAKER'S MY FAVORITE!

79 If you had an organizational chart of the PSU Athletic Department, everyone directly below (and including) Paterno should be fired and everyone above Paterno (everyone) should be fired.  THE SCORCHED EARTH POLICY IS IN FULL EFFECT.

80 Posted by: Spade at November 09, 2011 12:54 PM (7WUru)

Racist!

81 Suck The Barbed Cock Snuffalupagus of Satan

82 You know who this benefits?

83 eyewitness testimony regarding Coach Sandusky pounding a 10-year old kid up the squeakhole in the showers at the on-campus football facility..

There seems to some discrepancies here.  JoPa is saying the guy told him they were just "horsing around".

84 Probably explains why you want to murder all Muslims over the actions of a few as well. ------------------------------ Them is fighting words! In the words of Michael Corleone: "I don't feel I have to wipe everyone out Tom, just my enemies."

85 I don't think AllenG could avoid a Herman Cain reference if his life depended on it. Sheesh.

Then you haven't been paying attention to my posts in other threads.

86 You know who this benefits?

Alabama?

87 *wished he were dead

88 So does anyone have a simple link to something that details exactly what Paterno was told ? Because what I've read is that he did not know the EXACT allegation, and having not witnessed it personally, I'm not sure reporting it to his superiors ISN'T the extent of his responsibilities. All the outrage seems to me to hinge on Paterno knowing that his coach was sodomizing a 10 year old. OF COURSE he should report that to the police if he KNEW it. Otherwise, his responsibilities were to tell the witness to report what he saw to the AD, the college administration, and the police, AND notify his superiors of the situation.

89
the enviro-idol Al Gore fell

John Edwards fell

Anthony Weiner, the little man with the big yappy mouth, fell

90 Take a good look directly into Joe Paterno's tinted coke-bottle pedo-glasses and tell me he's never ripped off a piece of boy-pussy in his life. You can't, can you?

91 Why are they letting Paterno decide his own fate at Penn State? This is ridiculous. He was told in detail what that grad student saw and basically did nothing. Screw you, old man!

92 9 paterno is a creep

and he's a coward.

Ace's point about people sometimes giving those that they have a personal connection with a break is valid, but if you extend that courtesy for a child predator...I have no words. 

Saving those kids from a child predator would have been a longer-lasting legacy than a 400+ winning game record, JoePa.

93 But it wasn't rape-rape.

94 The grad student and his father both state they told Paterno in graphic detail what the grad student saw.

95 "Because what I've read is that he did not know the EXACT allegation, and having not witnessed it personally, I'm not sure reporting it to his superiors ISN'T the extent of his responsibilities. All the outrage seems to me to hinge on Paterno knowing that his coach was sodomizing a 10 year old. OF COURSE he should report that to the police if he KNEW it. Otherwise, his responsibilities were to tell the witness to report what he saw to the AD, the college administration, and the police, AND notify his superiors of the situation." Are you retarded? If he knew ANY THING was going on between a coach and a boy wouldn't that be enough to cause outrage?

96 McQueary didn't want to risk losing his grad assistant coaching job. The janitor didn't want to risk losing his job cleaning the locker room shitters. All these people that knew - McQueary's dad, the janitorial crew, Paterno, et al - they all made a conscious decision to try to let it just kind of go away in order to preserve their own status - even when that status was laughably pathetic. Scum.

97

wished he were dead

Too bad he didn't make that happen then.  It wouldn't have helped that poor kid but ay least would have protected the others it sounds like he went on to abuse after that. That's the thing with pedophiles just one does so much damage to so many. 

98 >>hate to interfere with the lynching... but is there any evidence of the "facts" here? If we're to use the Cain standard and dismiss the 20 or so boys who were sexually harassed and in some cases raped, then no. No evidence at all. Posted by: Ben at November 09, 2011 12:57 PM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Outstanding job. Nothing says "fairness" like equating indicted instances child sodomy with unproven (and likely unprovable) allegations of "harassment". Nice. The gall of Cain supporters alleging this is a smear campaign!

99 ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL?!?

Assuming you're done with the pederasty, of course.

100 JoPa is saying the guy told him they were just "horsing around".

What the COOKIE MONSTER else is he going to say?  "Yeah, the TA told me that Sandusky was raping a 10 year old, but I just handed it over to the AD and thought that would be the end of it."

What the TA told the investigators (and, apparently, the grand-jury) that he saw (and, eventually*, told JoePa) was that he saw the dude buggering a little boy "apparently about 10 years old."

*- Apparently, when he first saw the incident, instead of calling the cops right away, he ran home and called his dad- he didn't report the incident to Joe until the next day.  Reports I've heard then say Joe waited yet another day before telling the AD.

101 There seems to some discrepancies here.  JoPa is saying the guy told him they were just "horsing around". ----------------------------- The discrepancy is that Paterno is lying. I highly doubt the Grad. Asst. would be "distraught" and "shaken up" while describing "horsing around" to Paterno.

102 Joe Paterno did not say "horsing around."  He testified that he knew it was something of a "sexual nature." 

From Sports Illustrated: 

"After hearing from McQueary, Paterno alerted athletic director Tim Curley. Yet instead of relaying what McQueary claims to have told him, Paterno conveyed a milder and vaguer description. Specifically, Paterno testified under oath that McQueary had said that Sandusky was engaged in fondling or "doing something of a sexual nature" to a boy.

To be sure, the phrase "doing something of a sexual nature" technically includes forcibly subjecting a child to anal intercourse, meaning Paterno may have been more evasive than untruthful. Then again, Paterno's hazy choice of words could encompass a band of sexual acts, from raping a 10-year-old boy to inappropriately touching or patting a child, that ranges too widely in heinousness to be deemed consistent with McQueary's allegedly more specific statements. The phrase unnecessarily imports ambiguity and generality where none had existed, and dubiously invites the listener -- Curley -- to assign a lack of severity to the incident. From that lens, Paterno appears to have told Curley a different account than what McQueary had told him."

Given that Sandusky had already been investigated for his behavior with young boys at PSU's facilities, it defies belief that Paterno did not realize that something serious was going on. 

103 The PSU players should do the right thing and quit the team today.  The NCAA should support their decision and wave the "sit out a year" transfer penalty.

104 Your masterful command of muppet charachters in liue of swear words is impressive...and disturbing.

105

Among other punishments to the GENERIC MUPPET CHARACTER guilty (i.e., something very slow, very painful, preferably resulting in permanent disfigurement, then death), The PSU football program should be forced to give Howard Schnellenberger a lifetime contract as their new head coach....

On second thought, that may only last a matter of months - a year or two at most.

106 Because what I've read is that he did not know the EXACT allegation, and having not witnessed it personally, I'm not sure reporting it to his superiors ISN'T the extent of his responsibilities.

Oh c'mon, were talking about sexually assaulting a minor here, if someone comes to with very specific allegations of an act they actually witnessed, you have to go to the police.

107 I especially like that Coach Sandusky set up a foundation to help with his pedophilia.  Our tax code at work .. and they call me crazy.

108

Let's look at the time line.

Sandusky was JoePa's heir apparent.  Then in 1998 he is investigated for inappropriate behavior with a child by the police.

In 1999 he retires from football and works with the Second Mile Chairty and is given full access to PSU facilities.

Then in 2002, a Assistant sees Sandusky raping a young boy in the shower and reports it to JoePA. Let's say hypothetically that he did use the phrase "horsing around" and not "raping".  Do you think JoePa didn't know about the accusations in 1998? You don't think that had something to do with the immediate retirement of the man who was to take over for JoePa as head coach.

I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.  They knew, they probably told him he could stick around if he promised to stop and they swept it under the rug so it wouldn't reflect badly on PSU. Then Sandusky continued his predatory ways and it's blown up in their faces, ruined PSU's reputation, and worst of all ruined the lives of young innocent boys.

JoePa and everyone involve need to leave immediately.

109 52 I think pedophiles should be executed, and those who knowingly allow their behavior are not much better.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 09, 2011 12:41 PM (8y9MW)

Put him in the general population of the prison, then act surprised.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 09, 2011 12:55 PM (gi5h7) 

He should really do the honorable thing and off himself.  If he goes to prison, hopefully the inmates stage a "Brazilian" prison riot. 

110

I don't want to read a bunch of extra reading pdf material.

Maybe we could squeeze the topic into the post somewhere?

I no idea what he's pissed about.

111

>>>Oh c'mon, were talking about sexually assaulting a minor here, if someone comes to with very specific allegations of an act they actually witnessed, you have to go to the police.

In PA you have 48 hours to report it to the police or face 90 days in jail and a 200 dollar fine.

 

112

which is why I just cannot understand those students at Penn State on a support binge for JoePa.

Lion football is a freakin' religion there and Paterno it's high priest.  Made me sick when I was there and that was with no one in town knowing about any of this.

113 Russ wants Paterno gone because, secretly, he's a Nebraska fan, and wants them to win this weekend.



Ok, ok....jus kidding

114 Pedophilia a lifestyle choice?

Lifestyle choice?  That is so 1990s.

People are now born this way and we must accept them for what they are (/sarc).

Also notice that in the world of academia shock, disgust, anger and all the rest only occurs when it's in the Athletic Department.  Which is probably why the "jock" people will be eviscerated, and the upper branches of the Administration spared.

115 112. Ben I think you have that completely correct. JoePa (and a lot of other people) didn't WANT to know. But they knew.

116 Will Gloria Allred supply the Fozzie Bear graphics?

117 Sorry, but there's no 'horsing around' with an unrelated 10-year-old boy in the showers.  That's a SCOOTER joke.

118 87eyewitness testimony regarding Coach Sandusky pounding a 10-year old kid up the squeakhole in the showers at the on-campus football facility..

There seems to some discrepancies here. JoPa is saying the guy told him they were just "horsing around".

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 09, 2011 01:01 PM (OhYCU)

  The grad student (at the time, he's now a position coach for Penn State) testified to the grand jury that he witnessed and reported actual honest-to-God sodomy. 

  If you're saying we need to wait for the facts to condemn Sandusky, then I say MISS PIGGY that noise.  If you're saying that we should wait to condemn JoePa until we figure out what the Grad student told him at the time, then I would ask you this:

  If someone whom you trusted enough to eventually hire them to be in a position of responsibility in your organization tells you that "something of a sexual nature" happened at your facilities, and you admit that he was very agitated while he was telling you this, do you take the next step and ask him forcefully, "Exactly what did you see?"  I don't think Joe Paterno actively participated in the rapes, but I think that his failure to follow up on a report allowed the rapist to keep practicing his craft.  That may not be criminal, but it's immoral, IMHO.

119 44

I read the report and how in the world did Curley think a 60+ year old man and a 10 year old boy were "horsing around" in the showers??

 Sounds like you are describing every YMCA in the country.

120 Börk, börk, börk, Penn State!

Börk, börk, börk JoePa!

121 The only solution is to disband PSU

122 Lion football is a freakin' religion there and Paterno it's high priest.

So it's child sacrifice, then?

123 just when you start to think you cant be any more cynical- you might have a small idea that i hate all things government and distrust all authority and all law enforcement, and have a deep suspicion of those who participate. I know all about right and wrong, but what passes for legal v illegal in the am system of justice as it is currently interpreted is sickening. Only someone who supported a wife and 4 kids by the seat of his pants for 35 years would really understand how i feel so you can imagine how i feel about this sandusky shit, as again i predict the future. I also hate the grand jury system. this shit had no business in the hands of a DA. I can't imagine the politics and pressure used against anyone trying to do the right thing. my granddad used to say --- never underestimate what a man will do to keep a good payin' job but i dont really understand bureaucratic inertia and nepotism they way you must. i spent all my life fighting against it, avoiding it and railing about it. But im pretty sure that all these guys feel that they really did what they were supposed to do. and are surprised to see how we on the outside feel about the charges and timeline put forward. so while i feel they all are to blame, it again is the system which insulates the users from the reality of day to day on the outside that allows this shit to happen. americans now judge events not on results but on whether good intentions and the proper feeling was demonstrated. we have changed from keeping score to everyone gets a trophy. from hockey to fugure skating and the progressive judges do all the scoring all the poor little abused boys from broken or low functioning families that are same as good little commies, conditioned by gov to standing in line for some gov cheese, this is where it breaks people down, people who dont need to think for themselves wont. well, I told paterno, so it must be ok well i told curley well i told spanier fuck all of them. this is going to destroy recruiting, applications, fundraising, faculty, coaches for at least ten years. i wouldnt be surprised (if the charges are true) that season ticket sales drop off and maybe someone organizes a boycott of a game or two. i believe they will all lose their jobs in the next two years as this thing plays out. they must go

124

>>>Given that Sandusky had already been investigated for his behavior with young boys at PSU's facilities, it defies belief that Paterno did not realize that something serious was going on. 

I think part of the problem is that people buy the image that JoePa as crafted. He's not some amiable old dunce. He's actually heavily involved in all football operations at PSU. He's very controlling, intellegent and he knows what's going on.

He didn't coach for 46 years because he was a great coach, as a matter of fact, Penn State hasn't been very good in some time, he's managed to hold onto his job because he's good a politics and selling his an image that the student body and alumni have bought into.

125 The PDF is taking forever to load, but if i remember right, what the student told Paterno is on page 7 or 8.

126

It's easy to get all self rightious here but doinking orphaned/troubled kids  is just plain EVIL!!

127 Jerry Sandusky's autobiography, title is not a joke
Posted by: Jose at November 09, 2011 12:46 PM

You can't make shit like that up....

128

I read the report and how in the world did Curley think a 60+ year old man and a 10 year old boy were "horsing around" in the showers??

 Sounds like you are describing every YMCA in the country.

And my jr high school, and high school.

129 20 Jerry Sandusky's autobiography, title is not a joke

The user reviews have been mostly added in the last 48 hours, save for one from 2005. Idiots are savaging that one, ignoring that it is a few years old.

130
I wonder if that other wonderful kid-helper, Don Imus, is diddling kids, too.

131 I think part of the problem is that people buy the image that JoePa as crafted. He's not some amiable old dunce. He's actually heavily involved in all football operations at PSU. He's very controlling, intellegent and he knows what's going on.

Yep.  The myth that somehow the Athletics Director was Joe's boss is laughable.  Whatever the org chart might say, Paterno was in charge. 

And screw Paterno for playing the lovable old man and trying to hide behind that image. 

132

so many typing errors in that last comment. shoot. This issue pisses me off to no end.

I hadn't read that report until it was posted here. I'm angry that some in the national media are trying to white wash JoePa's role in this. After reading this statement and reviewing the Sandusky timeline, there is no way JoePa didn't now

133 If the guy told JoPa that Sandusky was boinking a 10 yo, then I will help to string up JoPa.

If the guy told JoPa that Sandusky was horsing around, then JoPa did the right thing, and everyone should calm down.

I find it very, very hard to believe that JoPa knew someone was boinking 10 yo boys, though.

134
I've always been suspicious of grown men who liked to hang out/work with kids.

I can't stand kids...not even the ones related to me. I would never volunteer to be around them.

135

Horrible stuff, and while I ain't tryin to be 'that guy', it's fair to paint the crowd who showed up in support of Paterno with this brush, and of course the enablers, those in charge who knew things and ignored them, and those who dissembled in front of a Grand Jury.

I wouldn't blame the entire Penn State community though.  There are surely a lot of them who are just as sickened by this as the rest of us.  Not to mention feeling betrayed.

136

Posted by: nickless at November 09, 2011 01:10 PM (MMC8r)

Ugh, hadn't thought of it in those terms but God knows there does seem to be plenty of that.

137 When I first heard about it I was shocked to find that the two staff who didn't report the allegations passed to them by Paterno were to turn themselves in but hadn't been arrested like Sandusky and to top it off Paterno didn't even have to turn himself in also. No charges!

This is the guy who should've been on top of this. You can't pass and allegation like this off to admin and then forget about it. Particularly when the guy in question F'N WORKED FOR YOU!!!1!!!!1

WTF is right.

And all you Lions out there defending any of these petty excuses for men: CHECK YOUR F'N MORALS. OH WAIT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.

138 If he knew ANY THING was going on between a coach and a boy wouldn't that be enough to cause outrage? Posted by: mare at November 09, 2011 01:04 PM (A98Xu) KNEW is different than being told by someone else that you saw "something". If, indeed, Paterno was told the details of exactly what happened, thats another story. But then I still believe #1 you council your employee to call the police themselves and then follow up. And when you follow up and they haven't called the police, you either have him call in your presence or call yourself. As a pretty high ranking official at PSU, it might be almost as important for him to notify the university while the witness is calling the police. The important thing is that it IS reported, not who does the reporting. Obviously they dropped the ball in EPIC fashion. But until I read for myself exactly how this went down, I'm not rushing to judgement on Paterno. And knowing the horrendous fallout over this for PSU, the fact that Paterno was not summarily dismissed makes me inclined to think 1) he didn't know the details, and 2) that there was agreement with somebody to get the police involved that failed. I'm not retarded. I just understand the dynamics that take place among large organizations. Joe Paterno is not the only guy involved and the people he is responsible for is not limited to 2 or 3 people. No matter what, he is accountable for some of this. If he knew the details, he is accountable for a lot of it. IF

139

FORNICATE You, Penn State!

 

Under the circumstances, shouldn't this be "Sodomize you, Penn State?"

140
Kids, from ages 5 to 25, can't stand 'em.

They're selfish, ignorant, and little germ factories.

Other than that, they're okay.

141

"The phrase unnecessarily imports ambiguity and generality where none had existed, and dubiously invites the listener -- Curley -- to assign a lack of severity to the incident"

Really Sports Illustrated? Really? "dubiously" what the RIZZO the RAT? Are you trying to make an excuse for Curley as to why he would not immediately take action regarding someone seeing a grown man sexually interacting with a 10 year old boy? Does not the fact that the person Sandusky was sexually interacting with was a little boy negate any sort of excuse?

There are absolutely 0 reasons why a man should be sexually interacting with a  10 year old.

142

>>And my jr high school, and high school.

 

Really? 60 year old men horse around with kids in your jr highschool.

It's one thing if it's kids the same age snapping each other with wet towels(which really really hurt I might ad). It's another thing entirely if its an adult and child.

143 Imus doesn't strike me as a fairy.  He has a (formerly) hot wife and a kid of his own. 

A guy whose married with no kids of his own but tons of foster kids and adopted kids... well, that's a bit more suspicious.  I find it hard to believe nothing happened in that home. 

I saw stock footage of him at one of his charity events where he's walking with a little girl and little boy, hold each child's hand.  And of course I'm probably projecting, but in the footage he seems to be ignoring the girl and keying in on the little boy. 

144 I find it very, very hard to believe that JoPa knew someone was boinking 10 yo boys, though.

He knew something was going on.  From the report:

Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.

145 It's easy to get all self rightious here but doinking orphaned/troubled kids  is just plain EVIL!!

Yeah! If you're going to rape a kid, at least make sure he's a 1 percenter!

146

I hate Penn State...but I feel sorry for Joe right now. If they out him.....it is another victory for unneccessary Poltical Correctness. The only person responsible for anything is the pedophile.

Just because it didn't get reported immediately means nothing! A country that consistantly blames victims, is a country doomed to failure. GET OVER IT!

147

I've always been suspicious of grown men who liked to hang out/work with kids.

A lot of people are, but I think some of that is a damn shame.

Just because a guy likes children doesn't mean he wants to rape them.

148 I just skimmed the Grand Jury stuff. I wonder if the people defending Paterno and Sandusky would feel the same way if their kid or their little brother had been assaulted by Sandusky,

149 134
"I wonder if that other wonderful kid-helper, Don Imus, is diddling kids, too."

Why, yes, obviously, someone so prominently in the public eye, with a facility employing many many professional medical practitioners, is doing just that.

Dumbass.

150

I wouldn't blame the entire Penn State community though.  There are surely a lot of them who are just as sickened by this as the rest of us. 

It's been over ten years, and I hated nearly every minute that I spent in State College, and I feel sick just knowing I was in the town when this happened.

151 Really, using Muppets.... and not including my favorite, Animal?!?   I find that deeply distrubing

152

>>>If the guy told JoPa that Sandusky was horsing around, then JoPa did the right thing, and everyone should calm down.

 

You're ignoring  facts here. Sandusky was investigated for something similar in 1998. JoePa knew that, Penn State knew that.

Sandusky was going to replace JoePa up until something happened and he retired in 1999.

Well gee whiz, with the benefit of hindsight, I think we know what that was.

 

He was in a bathroom shower with a 10 year old boy at 9:30 pm "horsing around".

That doesn't sound suspicious? And if you read the testimony, the Assistant who reported it said he didn't tell JoePa they were "horsing around" he told them he saw him "sodomizing" the kid

153 "I think what he meant was that in the PC world of academia, who is to know who will be in more trouble, the male coach sexually abusing a boy or the homophobic witness who reports him?"

Right, because all those ho-muh-sexshuls running the schools these days think raping young boys is considered just fahbulous.  And I suppose in your mind, it would only have been a problem in the "PC world of academia" if he'd been abusing young girls and thereby reinforcing traditional gender roles, or something.

154 137If the guy told JoPa that Sandusky was boinking a 10 yo, then I will help to string up JoPa.

If the guy told JoPa that Sandusky was horsing around, then JoPa did the right thing, and everyone should calm down.

I find it very, very hard to believe that JoPa knew someone was boinking 10 yo boys, though.

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 09, 2011 01:14 PM (OhYCU)

 

Joe Paterno's grand jury testimony is that he was told that the "horsing around" as you call it "was something of a sexual nature".  Unless you're one of the sick twists who get off from snapping buttcheeks with rolled up towels, then it's hard to envision that JoePa simply thought they were up to normal Jr. High lockerroom hijinks.

155 NOW I'm ready for some football.

156 As a Pitt alum, Penn State schadenfreude is usually enjoyable. This is not. The kids - now adults, in many cases - harmed by this monster and enabled by the university system are for whom I grieve. I shed no tears for the enablers, nor for the supporters of the enablers who'll flock to (not so) Happy Valley this weekend. My friends who are PSU alumni are even more vocal than I about their disgust.

157 And here's another thing that bothered me.

McGraery or whatever the GONZO his name is said he went back to the lockers to put away some new shoes he had.  While he was there, he heard noises that sounded like sexual activity coming from the showers.  So he goes to investigate. 

So why does he do this?

What is he expecting to find?  And what in god's name would it have taken for him to see that would cause him to take action? 

158

Just because it didn't get reported immediately means nothing! A country that consistantly blames victims, is a country doomed to failure. GET OVER IT!

Umm, excuse me, JoePa is not the victim here. His inaction directly resulted in more kids being sodomized by his very good friend of over 40 years. So, yes, I do believe he is criminally responsible as all 'suspected' child abuse must be reported to the police, not just the university authorities. We are talking about innocent children here, who had no voice and no one to stand up for them when they needed it most.

159

The only person responsible for anything is the pedophile.

The only person responsible for that incedent I'll give you.  They are all  responsible for the fact that this monster was loose for another ten years in which he continued to hurt other kids.

160

>>>As a Pitt alum, Penn State schadenfreude is usually enjoyable. This is not. The kids - now adults, in many cases - harmed by this monster and enabled by the university system are for whom I grieve. I shed no tears for the enablers, nor for the supporters of the enablers who'll flock to (not so) Happy Valley this weekend. My friends who are PSU alumni are even more vocal than I about their disgust.

I hear that brother

161 You're just know discovering that at any state funded cow college basketball trumps football which trumps everything else? Where ya been boy?

162 155Really, using Muppets.... and not including my favorite, Animal?!? I find that deeply distrubing

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at November 09, 2011 01:19 PM (TJ8HB)

  Go back & read my second update again.  Slowly this time.

163

>>>Joe Paterno's grand jury testimony is that he was told that the "horsing around" as you call it "was something of a sexual nature". Unless you're one of the sick twists who get off from snapping buttcheeks with rolled up towels, then it's hard to envision that JoePa simply thought they were up to normal Jr. High lockerroom hijinks.

 

Don't forget this fact that most people seem to ignore. Sandusky was investigated by the police for something similar in 1998.

Penn State knew this.

164

Just because it didn't get reported immediately means nothing! A country that consistantly blames victims, is a country doomed to failure. GET OVER IT!

Who the Kermit hell is blaming the victims?!  The only way your sentence makes sense is if you see Sandusky or Paterno as the victims.

165 49 Seriously now -- I can't believe Paterno is being allowed to finish out the season. In fact, I don't believe he WILL be allowed to finish out the season. The pressure to let him go immediately is going to be irresistible, and rightfully so. The only reason JoePa is being allowed to finish out the season, let alone coach Saturday, is so he can take full ownership of the record for most games coached in D-I history. He's currently tied with Amos Alonzo Stagg for the record.

166 That doesn't sound suspicious? And if you read the testimony, the Assistant who reported it said he didn't tell JoePa they were "horsing around" he told them he saw him "sodomizing" the kid

Yeah, the 27 yr old, 6'5", former pro, grad assistant saw it happen. And then ran away and asked his dad what he should do. Fucking gingers.

167 I hate Penn State...but I feel sorry for Joe right now. If they out him.....it is another victory for unneccessary Poltical Correctness.

That may be the stupidest KERMITing thing I've read today.  If he knew something was going on and didn't report it to the proper authorities, then yes, he deserves some of the blame.

168

"And what in god's name would it have taken for him to see that would cause him to take action?"

Can you please point me to the law that says he is required to do anything? It is one thing to fire him from his job at a State University because of it, but now your attacking his character....Are you sure you understand the full story, and are confident no more information is coming out?

Seems a little early to me for you to be so Rightous...doesn't it?

 

169 "I think what he meant was that in the PC world of academia, who is to know who will be in more trouble, the male coach sexually abusing a boy or the homophobic witness who reports him?"

Right, because all those ho-muh-sexshuls running the schools these days think raping young boys is considered just fahbulous.  And I suppose in your mind, it would only have been a problem in the "PC world of academia" if he'd been abusing young girls and thereby reinforcing traditional gender roles, or something.

Posted by: Alex at November 09, 2011 01:19 PM (/yzYn)

I know that behavior that would immediately get a teacher fired back when I was a kid is now so esteemed that any criticism of it will get you disciplined today.  I don't know how far the crazy train goes or how fast it will get there.

170 Sandusky was investigated by the police for something similar in 1998.

What does "something similar" mean?  Was he found guilty?

171 The horsing around lingo that is being tossed around was introduced by one of the PSU administrators during their grand jury testimony, not by Joe Paterno.  That testimony was found to be not truthful, incidentally. 

So let's not be confused here.  Paterno knew "something of a sexual nature" was going on between Sandusky and a pre-pubescent boy.  That's absolutely clear. And he knew he had the eyewitness to a crime (because anything of that nature is a crime) sitting in his living room who was looking for guidance as to what to do.  He (Paterno) should have called the police -- at the very minimum the campus police -- and told them to come over to talk with a witness. 

172 138
I've always been suspicious of grown men who liked to hang out/work with kids.

FOAD.  I coached young children. Lots of grown men do. Not all of us are pedo's you sick fuck.

173

Don't forget this fact that most people seem to ignore. Sandusky was investigated by the police for something similar in 1998.

Penn State knew this.

Posted by: Ben at November 09, 2011 01:24 PM (wuv1c)

This is why he abruptly "retired" in 1999.  Why the hell they gave him "emeritus" status is beyond me.  By the way, Paterno and Sandusky were not friends.

174 I actually can't imagine what the groupthink must be like inside that football team. What kind of kids can this team of coaches turn out?

I am totally disgusted by this story. I can't comprehend the behavior of the grad student witness. Sure, I run first. Sure, I call daddy. Yes, I go to the coach and the A.D. BUT when I don't see the scumbag frogmarched into the station and sent to the slammer or anything happening within a day or so I CALL THE POLICE MYSELF.

I also read that some of the younger victims were reported, but no official action ever taken. THAT needs investigation.

As a member of the Purdue community, I would like to ask the Big Ten to throw this lousy program out of the conference. And yes I want Paterno fired. But HOW can the A.G. claim that these enabling monsters did "everything the law required?"

Where I come from, everyone who works with children is a MANDATED REPORTER of even the slightest suspicion of child abuse. Does this not apply in Pennsylvania when you run a freakin' camp? (Ranch? Maybe we should call it Sandusky's Petting Zoo?)

When the PS President and the A.D. told Sandusky he couldn't bring kids on campus, what HE heard was, "We don't care about the child-raping thing--just go do it somewhere else." They confronted him and GAVE HIM PERMISSION to continue.If there were any grown-ups left in America, Sandusky would get the gas chamber.

But our courts have decided the tortured life of a raped child isn't bad enough to kill over. And the protestors in PA have decided the shattered mind of a raped child isn't worth losing a job over.  God help us.

175

Don't forget this fact that most people seem to ignore. Sandusky was investigated by the police for something similar in 1998.

Penn State knew this.

That alone should have kept him off campus forever.

176

@169

Joe is clearly a victim in this case! Did his penis enter a child? NO!

177 This Sandusky scumbag cleverly set up an almost perfect backdrop for his filthy perversion and Paterno enabled it.
These animals are not only 100% recidivist they often accelerate their activity, so for Paterno to pass on a follow up on his reporting guaranteed more of the same if not worse.
If the Penn State Community had an iota of self awareness, let alone self respect Paterno would be banned immediately pending further investigation.

178

1998 – Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge

179

Sandusky was going to replace JoePa up until something happened and he retired in 1999.

Well gee whiz, with the benefit of hindsight, I think we know what that was.

 

Abso-KERMIT THE FROG-lutely!   The timeline is devastating for Joe Pa.   Here's a plausible alternate history:

1. Sandusky is in line to take over for Joe Pa in the late 1990s.

2. Paterno learns of allegations of pedophilia against Sandusky in 1998.

3.  Paterno and Penn State (redundant... Paterno is Penn State) eases Sandusky out in 1999 and into a "retirement" where he still has access to Penn State facilities (and to young boys) in order to protect Sandusky and, more importantly, to protect the money-making enterprise that is a big-time college football program.

4.  Paterno learns of new allegations against Sandusky in 2002 from a graduate assistant (basically like an intern... a guy trying to break into coaching and getting paid nothing).   He puts pressure (perhaps implicit) on the young graduate assistant to keep his mouth shut, gives him a job on his staff, and then pushes the allegations up the chain of command with sugarcoating (no anal rape... just "horsing around").   Let the Athletic Department deal with it and, wink, wink, make sure that nothing sticks to Joe Pa.

5.   Paterno and Penn State continue to look the other way for another nine years after that while Sandusky still has access to Penn State facilities (and to young boys).

 

Sickening.   Paterno can't be allowed to coach another game at Penn State, period.   Today's announcement of his retirement is him going rogue to try to leverage his power at the university to survive to the end of the year.   I don't think it's going to work.

 

180 Damn well said, Russ.

Cardinal Bernard Law also comes to mind, and his enablers, which appears to be the Vatican per se.

181 There shouldn't be an investigation by Penn State.  The grand jury report is all the investigation they need.  This is more asshattery.  Fire these people now.  Who gives a crap about a football program with this seriousness.

This should be one of the biggest lawsuits in the history of time, and I hope they get hammered.  As for the criminals here, I hope they get big bubba as a cell mate in prison.

182

Re: Paterno. Folks need to take a breath and use paper bag to prevent hyperventilation.  Personally I am not a huge fan of Paterno and think he needed to go many years ago, however, Fox News was reporting that Paterno did in fact report to the the Campus Police in addition to the verminous scum administrators who covered it up. The campus police are in fact the correct juridisction to report the crime. That all being said the fact that it likewise wasn't shouted to county and state authorities is a different matter.

I vowed before with the whitewash of Michael "hide the decline" Mann  never to give another dime to PSU. Given the cowardice the PSU administrators routinely evidence I see no reason to change that decision. It does however make a compelling case with whats wrong with academia namely the bloated amounts of managemental beuracracy with no morals or soul and desire to manage the brand rather than provide quality education under reasonable cost structures.

183 175 Sandusky was investigated by the police for something similar in 1998.

What does "something similar" mean?  Was he found guilty?

Posted by: Cherry pi at November 09, 2011 01:25 PM (OhYCU)

Apparently he admitted fondling a boy to the boy's mother but the DA decided not to prosecute...then he disappeared and his laptop was found in the Susquehanna river.

184

Yeah, the 27 yr old, 6'5", former pro, grad assistant saw it happen. And then ran away and asked his dad what he should do. Fucking gingers.

Even worse, he called his dad and his dad told him to get out of there and go home.

The dad apparently never told him to get the kid out of there, nor did McQueary apparently ever consider that on his own.

185

"They are all  responsible for the fact that this monster was loose for another ten years in which he continued to hurt other kids."

B.S. Joe is not the pedophile.....he is not responsible for anything. He did not break the law!

186

"And what in god's name would it have taken for him to see that would cause him to take action?"

Can you please point me to the law that says he is required to do anything?
-----
What part about a boy standing naked in a shower with his hands pressed against a wall while a 60 year old man sodomizes him says not criminal to you? 

187 The only reason JoePa is being allowed to finish out the season, let alone coach Saturday, is so he can take full ownership of the record for most games coached in D-I history.

Then SAM THE EAGLE PSU even further.  STATLER JoePa's "record."

188 The only reason JoePa is being allowed to finish out the season, let alone coach Saturday, is so he can take full ownership of the record for most games coached in D-I history. He's currently tied with Amos Alonzo Stagg for the record.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 09, 2011 01:24 PM

Why not take away his credit for all the wins since he failed to report the incident?  The wins still stand, he just gets no credit for them.  Sounds fair.

189

Joe is clearly a victim in this case! Did his penis enter a child? NO!

Posted by: KeepingMyEyeonTheBall at November 09, 2011 01:27 PM (JMsOK)

FOAD.

 

190 I believe, as a public university, any employee of Penn State was legally obligated to report the abuse. Not to their supervisors, but to the police.

Everyone who participated in the cover up needs to go to jail.

191

Can you please point me to the law that says he is required to do anything?

Law or no law, common humanity, at least of the sort I always thought was practiced in this country, demanded he intervene immediately!  I have a son, if he were being abused in such a manner I would certainly hope that someone who stumbled onto it would act to save him!

192 News outlets are bookending Cain sexual accusation stories and the Sandusky child rape allegations thus meta-linking Cain to pedophilia.

193 "B.S. Joe is not the pedophile.....he is not responsible for anything. He did not break the law!"

Congrats to KeepingMyEyeonTheBall for his brilliant impersonation of someone with irredeemably Honeydewed-up priorities. Not sure it's appropriate in this circumstance, however.

194

>>>Fox News was reporting that Paterno did in fact report to the the Campus Police in addition to the verminous scum administrators who covered it up

Do you report child rape to campus police?

I think child rape-rape should be reported to the actual police-police.

Followup question. Sandusky was at PSU facilities no less that 14 days ago.

Did JoePa figure the campus police solved the crime and fixed the problem?

 

195 90 You know who this benefits?

Alabama?

Posted by: Cherry pi

 

Awww jeeez, here we go with the cows/cheerleader jokes.

Seriously, this helps no one and PSU football least of all.

Pedophile State University

196 191 "They are all responsible for the fact that this monster was loose for another ten years in which he continued to hurt other kids." B.S. Joe is not the pedophile.....he is not responsible for anything. He did not break the law! Joe's on the board of The Second Mile, a charity Sandusky founded which worked with troubled kids and was in fact using to find kids to molest. I'd hope that, if I were on the board of a children's charity, I'd take an interest in accusations that the charity's founder and face was fucking kids up the ass.

197 Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

Woah. Woah.  That's creepy.  Why didn't they bring charges?

OK. I'm on board. String him up.

198 PSU needs to be more concerned about what this is going to cost them than over some fucking football program.  They're going to pay a lot and they deserve to.

199

>>>Can you please point me to the law that says he is required to do anything?

Pennsylvanian Law demand that you alert authorities within 48 hours of witnessing child abuse or face 90 days in jail

200

"What part about a boy standing naked in a shower with his hands pressed against a wall while a 60 year old man sodomizes him says not criminal to you?"

Like I said....did he break the law or not? Don't me your emotional B.S. Got to the Daily KOS if that is all you got! 

201 I think child rape-rape should be reported to the actual police-police.

Or to a special 1-800 hotline specifically set up for that purpose.

202 Well done Russ from winterset.

203 News outlets are bookending Cain sexual accusation stories and the Sandusky child rape allegations thus meta-linking Cain to pedophilia.

Agree. I like the word "bookending".

204 Just because it didn't get reported immediately means nothing! A country that consistantly blames victims, is a country doomed to failure. GET OVER IT!

Anyone personally witness to such an act and does not report it to law enforcement, is not a victim. So you get over it.

205

@ 187

 

Agreed. If anything was shown by the PSU 'investigations' in the past, they were nothing more than a vehicle to clear the good name of PSU. Case in point the Mann 'investigation'.

206 If it was Joe Paterno's grandson, I can assure you he would have found the nearest blunt object and started swinging.

207 Will Sharia law be applied here?

208

@199

"Congrats to KeepingMyEyeonTheBall for his brilliant impersonation of someone with irredeemably Honeydewed-up priorities. Not sure it's appropriate in this circumstance, however."

Listen to yourself...your blaming Joe for the boy being raped! You are clearly out of line! Don;t you belong on the MSNBC Blogs?

209 Can you please point me to the law that says he is required to do anything?

Well, I can't cite the precise place in code, no, but obviously there IS a law that says he had to do something or a) the AD and VP wouldn't have been indicted for "failure to report" along with perjury and b) the cops wouldn't have felt it necessary to explicitly state that LEGALLY JoePa and the TA had fulfilled that requirement.

And that ignores the basic Moral Law that says you don't just let someone get raped.


What does "something similar" mean?  Was he found guilty?

More sexual molestation of young boys.  That's what "something similar" means.  The then DA dismissed the case, threw his laptop in the river (according to what I've heard) and then disappeared shortly thereafter.  (note: that's hear-say.  It is what I've heard, but I don't have specific links to corroborate).

210

PSU needs to be more concerned about what this is going to cost them than over some fucking football program.  They're going to pay a lot and they deserve to.

Since this is a public institution doesn't that mean that the taxpayers of Pennsylvania will be paying for this?

211 Actually, isn't it considered sensitive and certainly not evil for gays to groom young sexually confused teens so that they realize their true nature (and have sex with the chickenhawks, of course).  Thinking that, in academia, a little horseplay wouldn't be tolerated just isn't consistent with current thinking. 

212 This should be one of the biggest lawsuits in the history of time, and I hope they get hammered.

PSU will have to sell a FOZZIE BEAKERload of Peachy Paterno to pay for the eventual judgement.

213 12 I wanted to stick with "Muppet Show" muppets only, but I had to go back and grab a couple of classics there at the end. It was either that or go with obscure ones like CARMELLA THE CHICKEN. Sacred honor compels me to admit that Carmella and I did some sweet sweet SWEETUMS back in the day.

214 Don't me your emotional B.S. Got to the Daily KOS if that is all you got!  Posted by: KeepingMyEyeonTheBall at November 09, 2011 01:32 PM (JMsOK)

I have to wonder why you are putting so much energy and vitriol into defending this behavior.

215 PSU should get the SMU Death Penalty

216

@210

"Anyone personally witness to such an act and does not report it to law enforcement, is not a victim. So you get over it."

Hello? It was reported! Why don't you try thinking with your Brain instead of your emotions!

217 Posted by: KeepingMyEyeonTheBall at November 09, 2011 01:34 PM (JMsOK)

NAMBLA approves.

218 Campus/University police are real police and not just rent-a-cop wannabes.

219

@ 200

"Do you report child rape to campus police?

I think child rape-rape should be reported to the actual police-police."

 

They have jurisdiction and a real jail-jail.

 

220 Didn't this all come out the week after he broke the all-time wins record or something like that?  Makes you think they were holding on for dear life to keep this from coming out. (sorry if someone has already mentioned this... can;t read the whole thread at work.)

Sad.

221

@220

"I have to wonder why you are putting so much energy and vitriol into defending this behavior."

Why don't you focus on the pedophile instead of the victims? 

222 @137 As the father of 2 sons who play sports, I draw very little distinction in terms of my future behaviour based on hearing that "A 60 year-old naked man was horsing around in the shower with a 10 year-old boy" as opposed to "The old guy was ass-raping a 10 year-old boy." I cannot imagine failing to report to the police that a 60 year-old man on my staff was caught horsing around with a 10 year-old boy in the shower. There is no excuse, none, for failing to report such.

223 I have to wonder why you are putting so much energy and vitriol into defending this behavior.

Season ticket holder.

224 54  also, what parent lets their kid spend the night at an old man's house?

 Really, who does that?

I'm disgusted. That Sandusky guy was too old to be having sleepovers.

225

I'm totally OK with Paterno going down, just so long as he does not go down alone. How many other lower profile administration people were also involved in the under-rug-sweeping behavior.

 

They all go down.

226 214

"Listen to yourself...your blaming Joe for the boy being raped! You are clearly out of line! Don;t you belong on the MSNBC Blogs?"

Actually, I directed that last post, 199, at the sad excuse-maker for Joe Paterno. Most that ought to happen to Joe Paterno is immediate retirement, and disgrace. Which falls somewhat short of what ought to happen to the guy he nonchalantly enabled to persist in his depraved taste for pederasty.

227

Listen to yourself...your blaming Joe for the boy being raped! You are clearly out of line! Don;t you belong on the MSNBC Blogs?

Now you'er just lying. No one blames him for what happened we're blaming him for not reporting it to the police.  At the very least the law did require the grad student to report the incedent to the actual police and Paterno gave him incorrect advice not to worry about it.

228 Since this is a public institution doesn't that mean that the taxpayers of Pennsylvania will be paying for this?

They get about 14% of their general operating budget and about 9% of their overall budget from state appropriations.

So, yeah, it's a "public institution," but most of the money is probably going to come from the private foundation.  And, I hope, the deep pockets of guys like Paterno. 

229 This stuff does not happen in a vacuum. I read the pdf. His wife had to know something is not right. Sandusky gets up and is gone for quite a long time every time a boy sleeps over. The janitorial people knew he was a pervert. The campus police had a heads up that something was not right. A local football and wrestling coach knew that something was not right. Not to mention almost all administrators within the football program knew. But, hey, he's a good guy!! What's a little child rape among friends??

230 Listen to yourself...your blaming Joe for the boy being raped! You are clearly out of line! Don;t you belong on the MSNBC Blogs?

You know what, I do blame Joe for at least one of those boys being raped.  Joe knew there was a problem at least as early as 1998 (at least).  He fired Sandusky, but then allowed him access to the campus- right up through about a week ago.  That tells me, clearly, that Joe was less interested in the safety of those boys than in the image of Joe Paterno.

Moreover, the Second Mile Foundation was formed in the late 70's, by (you guessed it) Sandusky.  If he was using it to hunt little boys by 2002, he was almost certainly using it for the same thing in 1998.  He was almost certainly using it for the same thing from the Beginning.

Now, if JoePa knew there was a problem in 1998, and knew that (by then) this guy had been running a foundation that specialized in "helping at risk boys," for 20 years by then, it was morally required that he report those allegations to actual police who could then also have investigated the Second Mile Foundation.

231 Why don't you focus on the pedophile instead of the victims?

Paterno wasn't a victim. He was an enabler. He could have put a stop to this in in 1998 if he had done the right thing. 

232

Re: Paterno. Folks need to take a breath and use paper bag to prevent hyperventilation.  Personally I am not a huge fan of Paterno and think he needed to go many years ago, however, Fox News was reporting that Paterno did in fact report to the the Campus Police in addition to the verminous scum administrators who covered it up. The campus police are in fact the correct juridisction to report the crime. That all being said the fact that it likewise wasn't shouted to county and state authorities is a different matter.

I vowed before with the whitewash of Michael "hide the decline" Mann  never to give another dime to PSU. Given the cowardice the PSU administrators routinely evidence I see no reason to change that decision. It does however make a compelling case with whats wrong with academia namely the bloated amounts of managemental beuracracy with no morals or soul and desire to manage the brand rather than provide quality education under reasonable cost structures.

Posted by: Fair Tax Forever at November 09, 2011 01:28 PM (gZVu4)

Ah, well, I didn't know that. That makes a big difference. Paterno called the police.

I knew that. Michael Mann is a disgrace and PennState is a disgrace for allowing that to go on ... and on and on.

233

Russ, that rant is postively Clark Griswoldian. 

Beautiful, man. [raises fist in tribute]

234 Hello? It was reported! Why don't you try thinking with your Brain instead of your emotions!

Apparently not. A report to law enforcement would have absolved them of any wrong doing.

I personally think that even an unseemly delay in the report to law enforcement is morally wrong. We all have responsibilities as Citizens, some carry with them criminal penalty when they are not adhered to, some do not. A responsible Citizen when seeing a crime perpetrated against an individual who cannot defend themselves, at a minimum, notifies law enforcement.

We have every right to be livid pissed at someone who couldn't be a responsible Citizen, or in this case a decent human being, and this enabled a child rapist.

Where law prescribes reporting a crime; those that did not deserve to stand trial and explain themselves to a jury. Those that did may not be free of ire from the rest of us if they fundamentally failed as decent people by delays.

235 And, anyway, it's one thing to say, "We should wait for all the facts to get out." It's quite another to attack people for being outraged that a university bureaucracy apparently facilitated child-rape.

236

Oh, and one other reason why Paterno has to go yesterday.   The inevitable theory of the lawsuit against Penn State will be that the university administration was afraid of Paterno's power within the university community, and therefore covered up the allegations.   If they let Paterno stay through the end of the year, or even through the end of the week, that will just be evidence that yes, in fact, they were scared of Paterno's power, and thought covering up child rape was the path of least resistance.

 

They're going to lose the lawsuit big anyway, but letting Paterno stay will just make it easier for the Plaintiffs.

237

I can't find any where that Paterno reported this to anyone other than his superiors.    Hmmm...not even according to Paterno himself.

"Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators."

I'm not sure where Fox got that info but no one else has made that claim not even the university.

238 If Sandusky was fired in 98 over the same thing, what lunacy let him back on campus at all, much less with a string of new victims?

239

"At the very least the law did require the grad student to report the incedent to the actual police and Paterno gave him incorrect advice not to worry about it."

Nope...your wrong! The guy didn't witness Rape, he witness a man taking a shower with a child! That's not against the law!

240

"It's quite another to attack people for being outraged that a university bureaucracy apparently facilitated child-rape."

You don't know that yet....you are completely out of line!

241 The whole chain of command - from coach to regent - must  be investigated by federal prosecutors/authorities.

242 I'll tell you what, if I reported something like this to the police and nothing came of it, I can damn well BEAKER tell you that the GONZO media would know about it.

243 What's really sad? Although there were nine victims (and we all know there are plenty more) unless at least one eyewitness (although there are two) said they ACTUALLY SAW the rape, we might be defending these assholes.

244 Paterno did not call the police.

Campus police were called by the mother of a boy who was molested in the PSU showers in 1998. 

245

I hate PSU with every fiber of my being.  My cousin is a huge PSU fan.  I've been telling her for years what a Miss Piggy he is.  Now we just don't even talk about it. 

Joe Pa has been a disgrace for decades.  He not only didn't help Kerry Collins with his alcoholism in college but he facilitated it. 

I hate it for the victims.  I can't imagine what has been like seeing a man who could have stopped this reman as coach because he has an iron grip on a school.

Oh, and Fozzy The Bear Matt Millen.

 

246 Do you think that the MFM will ask Kevin Jennings, Obama's "Safe School Czar" his thoughts on remedial action for this scenario.

247 Wouldn't want to play center on that team.

248 "I can't find any where that Paterno reported this to anyone other than his superiors.    Hmmm...not even according to Paterno himself."

Yeah. I'm looking for information proving Paterno called the police, as Fair Tax Forever wrote and as I relayed.

Not finding it thus fair.

Fair Tax Forever, can you please provide us a link to the story?

249 Keepingmyeyeontheball....did you read the Pdf? The grad assistent saw ANAL PENETRATION..that's rape.

250

You don't know that yet....you are completely out of line!

Posted by: KeepingMyEyeonTheBall at November 09, 2011 01:46 PM (JMsOK)

Why? Is the Grand Jury testimony contra-indicative of that conclusion? Did they just make up everything?

251

Why don't you focus on the pedophile instead of the victims? 

Thank for making it clear that I was right the first time and you do see Paterno as the victim.  Not the the freaking 10 year old boy whose trust and body were abused, no the victim is the adult in a position of authority( and thus resposibility).  If he didn't want the responsibility he could have given up the authority at any time.  Instead he chose to make it easy for someone he knew behaved inappropriately with children to have a constant supply of fresh actual victims.

252 I'm trying to figure out why the grad assistant didn't beat Sandusky to a bloody pulp in the shower.

253 I don't care what Fox News reports...read the grand jury testimony.

254 258
I'm trying to figure out why the grad assistant didn't beat Sandusky to a bloody pulp in the shower.

Posted by: Dave at November 09, 2011 01:49 PM (Xm1aB)

I was thinking the same thing.  I also read somewhere that Sandusky is McQueary's (the GA) best friend.  I guess that's why he didn't stop the rape and he left and called his dad.  A fozzie bear shame that he didn't save the poor kid and call the police instead. 

255

 Posted by: KeepingMyEyeonTheBall at November 09, 2011 01:45 PM (JMsOK)

You are a liar.

256 I meant McQueary's dad's best friend. We really need an edit function here...don't I pay extra for an edit function?

257 Guys,

KeepingMyEyeonTheBall (JMsOK) is Jimi who used to troll here pretty regularly. 

And, apparently, he's also an idiot who is unable to read a grand jury transcript.

258 Hey, Paterno, it's no big deal but your 10 year old grandson is just "horsing around" with a 67 year old man....naked.....but no worries, just let the athletic director know 2 days later and then keep your trap shut...it's cool.

259 The grand jury info states that Paterno SAID the Grad student told him that Sandusky was 'fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.'  (Page 7)

The grad students testimony specifies 'anal intercourse.'

260 Not finding it thus fair.

Fair Tax Forever, can you please provide us a link to the story?

Posted by: Random at November 09, 2011 01:48 PM

I'm guessing it's inerroe.  And if the University Police received such a report wouldn't there be an investigation and record of that?  And wouldn't they have then reported it to the police?  And...wouldn't the university be talking that up?

261 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 09, 2011 01:40 PM (8y9MW)



Why are you all arguing with an apologist for enablers of kiddie-diddlers?

(And if it's merely mocking such apologists, same question.)

262

Posted by: Dave at November 09, 2011 01:49 PM (Xm1aB)

Exactly.  As the mother of a boy I'm putting my request in now.  If any of you should come across such a thing please,please, please save that boy.  My heart breaks.  How horrible to know that someone was in the position to save you and couldn't be bothered.

263 Can you hear me, Mad Dog?

264 Can I have my job back, please?

265

@243

 

It was on a segement where two experts on FOX were discussing it, just saw it over lunch. That being said it likely was a tenuous stretch wherein Curely and Schultz were contacted by Paterno and they had functional responsibility for University Police.  So an additional contact specifically to the Uni police isn't likely given what I am reading. That being said, I agree kiddie fiddling is too an important manner to simply allow the higher up douche bag coverup artists to manage. It warrnated much more attention even if Sandusky was a long time freind of Paterno.

266 Now I am ready for ze football!

267 Why are you all arguing with an apologist for enablers of kiddie-diddlers?

(And if it's merely mocking such apologists, same question.)

Posted by: baldilocks at November 09, 2011 01:54 PM (T2/zQ)

Now I feel like my mom just came out back and saw me trying to hit the base of 12-gauge shell with my BB gun from twenty feet.

268 It's really simple.  It's all about the money.  College sports especially footbal brings a ton of money to the university, any scandal can damage that.  And a scandal like this could damage it even more.  Can't harm the golden goose.  And we tend to think of coaches as some god-like heroes, when often they're shallow egotistical tyrants who really only want the legacy and/or the money.

269 Nope...your wrong! The guy didn't witness Rape, he witness a man taking a shower with a child! That's not against the law!

Ok you are an idiot. The grad student heard sex, saw rape, and believed he saw rape, not something else. So much so that he called his father for advice. And you want to push some extreme form of doubt? Reasonable doubt is something juries worry about, not people reporting crimes. Strong suspicion is the threshold for arrest, and if you are above that you should be reporting it.

270

Posted by: Y-not at November 09, 2011 01:54 PM (5H6zj)

Thanks for the heads-up Y-not.  I guess he's just an all around bastard instead of just one who thinks it's fine for little boys to be raped.

271 137 If the guy told JoPa that Sandusky was boinking a 10 yo, then I will help to string up JoPa. If the guy told JoPa that Sandusky was horsing around, then JoPa did the right thing, and everyone should calm down. I find it very, very hard to believe that JoPa knew someone was boinking 10 yo boys, though. ------------------------------- Just another fire for JoePa to put out. I'm sure there were hundreds over his career.

272

Great read...

This, surely, is why people like Lauren Acquaviva sat on campus on the steps of Old Main for part of the day Tuesday with a sign that read: “All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

She was there with her 10-month-old son and husband. A woman walking by saw the sign and yelled, “Good for you!”

“Anyone who knew about it and chose not to call the police and not to call child services should resign,” she said. “If that includes Paterno, he’s not exempt from the same moral standards that everyone else is being held to. I think McQueary and Paterno and (university president) Graham Spanier need to resign because they chose to do nothing.

“I have a 10-month-old son,” she said. “I canÂ’t imagine how I would feel if I found out that something like that happened and that someone witnessed it and that other people knew about it and they chose to do nothing. I just think that if it were anyone but Paterno, the entire community would be calling for a resignation. But heÂ’s a figurehead, and we donÂ’t want to think that of him.”  http://tinyurl.com/c3smgno

273

Just another fire for JoePa to put out. I'm sure there were hundreds over his career.

There's that many pedophiles at PSU?

274
FORNICATE You, Penn State B1G

FIFY. You're welcome. Yes, that includes Iowa and the Cornchokers.

275 Why are you all arguing with an apologist for enablers of kiddie-diddlers?
Posted by: baldilocks at November 09, 2011 01:54 PM (T2/zQ)


Cue Charlie Brown walk

For my part, I can't wrap my mind around defending kiddie-ddidlers, and I'd really like an insight into where that comes from. I know it seems wrong, but I think I can understand actual pedophilia better than defending pedophilia.

276

@257 & 255

Read the PDF again...your both wrong!

277 Ok you are an idiot. The grad student heard sex, saw rape, and believed he saw rape, not something else. So much so that he called his father for advice. And you want to push some extreme form of doubt? Reasonable doubt is something juries worry about, not people reporting crimes. Strong suspicion is the threshold for arrest, and if you are above that you should be reporting it.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 09, 2011 02:00 PM

I can't believe I'm about to type this but the grand jury testimony went something like " heard slapping sounds coming from the shower and when he looked in he saw a boy, about 10 years old with his hands pressed against the wall and Sandusky performing anal sex on him."  I'm pretty sure that is against the law...

278

@275

"The grad student heard sex, saw rape, and believed he saw rape, not something else."

Read the PDF again......your wrong as well!

279 279 Just another fire for JoePa to put out. I'm sure there were hundreds over his career. There's that many pedophiles at PSU? --------------------------------- No. But Paterno was responsible for 80 college-aged males. I'm sure there was trouble all the time. I think the mentality becomes "sweep it under the rug". Don't bring bad press upon the program. That's what I mean't.

280 "The grad student heard sex, saw rape, and believed he saw rape, not something else."

That statement is consistent with the .pdf.

281 6I hope you feel absolved now. The police have Sandusky and hopefully have forgotten to remove a rope from his cell.

Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2011 12:41 PM (FcR7P)

 

If Sandusky had molested this boy at #OWS, his clean blanket privleges would have been revoked.  Everyone is up in arms about the Penn State tragedy, as we all should be, but it's been more than clear that sexual assaults are occuring at these Occupy rallies and the victims are being discouraged from reporting the crimes.  The #OWS 'leaders' are acting the same as the Penn State 'leaders' - keep things quiet, handle things internally - but only the PSU folks are feeling the heat for their idiocy.  I'm glad Sandusky will have to answer for his actions, and Penn State deserves every ounce of venom dropped on them because of this scandal.  When more reports of minors getting raped at #OWS rallies surface, I hope the public responds in the same manner.

282 "Read the PDF again...your both wrong!" "...he saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subject to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky..." Grow up, ass!

283 Posted by: KeepingMyEyeonTheBall at November 09, 2011 02:06 PM (JMsOK)

From the PDF exactly as written
"As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower.  He saw a naked boy, victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky."  Verbatim pages 6-7.  Any questions.

284 284

@275

"The grad student heard sex, saw rape, and believed he saw rape, not something else."

Read the PDF again......your wrong as well!

Posted by: KeepingMyEyeonTheBall at November 09, 2011 02:07 PM (JMsOK)

I think you got your unfunny attempt at humor out there. Time to get back to wherever your Occupy encampment is, and see if there's a fresh donation of RID.

285 My quote at 288 is from the actual testimony.

286

Posted by: KeepingMyEyeonTheBall at November 09, 2011 02:07 PM (JMsOK)

You. are. a. liar.

287 291 My quote at 288 is from the actual testimony.

Posted by: mare at November 09, 2011 02:15 PM (A98Xu)

Unfortunately mine in 289 is too.  I have a son who will be 10 in 2 months and I get sick to my stomach every time I read this...

288

"Do you report child rape to campus police?

And if you see any terrorists make sure you call a mall cop.

289 "The grad student heard sex, saw rape, and believed he saw rape, not something else."

Refer to pages 6 and 7 of the .pdf

Again, why is this being denied? Why is KMEOTB defending this stuff?

290

19-year-old part-time security guard.

That is the man to contact.

291 Thanks, Russ for the moral clarity. The news bulletins I've heard today make it sound like Paterno will ride off like Shane into the sunset after the last season of the game.

292 There's that many pedophiles at PSU?

Frankly, one is too many.

293 "And if you see any terrorists make sure you call a mall cop." HA! Again, these things DO NOT occur in a vacuum...lots of people knew SOMETHING was not right.

294 Why is KMEOTB defending this stuff?

Guilty conscience?

295 Paterno aside for a moment, what kind of human being witnesses a child being raped and does nothing in that instant?  What was that McClusky guy thinking?  I can understand an immediate feeling of shock and disgust, but honestly to then just leave the scene and make a phone call to your Dad?  I'm just an average sized girl, but you can bet your ass I would have AT LEAST started screaming at the guy to get away from that child and done what I could to remove the child from that situation immediately and THEN called the police. Aside from the pedo himself, the inaction of someone who sees a child being sexually assaulted and walks away demonstrates a really tragic level of moral bankruptcy.

296 297Thanks, Russ for the moral clarity. The news bulletins I've heard today make it sound like Paterno will ride off like Shane into the sunset after the last season of the game.

Posted by: RM at November 09, 2011 02:18 PM (TRsME)

Heh.  According to Samuel L. Jackson & Kevin Pollock in "The Negotiator", Shane was just riding off to die alone on the prairie from his gunshot wound.  Maybe that analogy IS the one we're looking for here.

297 Full agreement, Russ.  Allowing the man to coach another minute is the most reprehensible shit I've heard in some time.  This isn't some recruiting scandal, its aiding and abetting pedophilia.  I'd jail a 5-star general or a President for the same behavior, so whatever Paterno's done in college athletics doesn't earn him one ounce of mercy in my book.

298

@288

Jesus Christ....your still wrong! You grow up and grow a brain!

"Curley specifically denied that the graduate assitant reported "anal sex" or anything of a sexual nature whatsoever and termed the conduct as "horseing around"'

299 There's that many pedophiles at PSU?

Actually...  Twitter claims are being made right now about that. 

Apparently, cross-referencing the Second Mile records with the Penn State records showed a *LOT* of children spending one-on-one time with adults, plural.  As in "more than just Sandusky".

Once they start looking into this, it may explain why more was not done about Sandusky.  As in "If they pull one string, the entire thing will unravel."

300 Curley is being indicted....hmmmm, I wonder what his motivation would be to lie? And, idiot, it's "you're."

301 Look how determined I am to defend raping young boys. Strange, huh?

Say, anyone have the boys underwear section of JC Penny catalogue handy?

302 How much of the pedophile behaviour was enabled by the selectively blind attitude taken by the coaching staff?

303

"Why is KMEOTB defending this stuff?"

I am a memeber of NAMBLA.....why else! Why don't try to use that little brain of yours...maybe you might figure it out!

P.S. Also, I fap to Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.

304 Western Pennsylvania

Russ,
State College PA is in Centre County PA

305

"Curley specifically denied that the graduate assitant reported "anal sex" or anything of a sexual nature whatsoever and termed the conduct as "horseing around"'

That directly contradicts the statements of Paterno and the grad student in the same doc.

306

A bunch of cowards who enabled a fucking pervert to continue his vile acts on boys simply because of the money machine that is Penn State Football......It is over now, they will never fill that stadium again, no parents will allow their young men to play football at Penn State for the next 50+ years..and it deserves to die because of actions and inaction of the parties involved...EVERYONE WHO CAN BE FIRED MUST BE SHIT-CANNED NOW!

Pay every last dime of that endowment to the victims and let the university become a low level ag college for the rest of it's existence...

(I live an hour east of State College and admired Penn State, Paterno, and the tradition...no fucking more, no fucking more...)

307

WTF???

No indication disappearance of the DA tied to Sandusky allegations"

um, that's weird.  The DA who investigated and drop this disappeared in 2005.  just weird

308 "um, that's weird. The DA who investigated and drop this disappeared in 2005. just weird" Sure as hell is.

309 313

WTF???

No indication disappearance of the DA tied to Sandusky allegations"

um, that's weird.  The DA who investigated and drop this disappeared in 2005.  just weird

Yeah, and apparently it was in the news right before this hit because his kid got him declared legally dead, as he'd been missing for almost a decade.

I still think that his county laptop and HD turning up in two separate places, along with a web history on "how to destroy a HD" on his personal PC shows that something he worked on was clearly on his mind.

310

"Why is KMEOTB defending this stuff?"

Why don't try to use that little brain of yours...maybe you might figure it out!

Is it for the same reason Andrew Sullivan defends Obama no matter how much of a SCOAMF he shows himself to be? Because you want to have Joe Paterno's baby?

The only semi-reasonable defense of this would be along the lines of, "Prosecutors have a history of over-zealously prosecuting child-abuse cases, so let's not rush to judgment." But that's not where you've staked out your position, is it? You're firmly in the territory of, "Even if there was child-rape (which you deny in direct contradiction of the testimony), Joe Paterno did nothing wrong in permitting it to happen."

311 For the millionth time.

University police are sworn peace officers, they can and do assist in multi-jurisdiction arrests and are tasked with enforcing all local laws.

312

It was on a segement where two experts on FOX were discussing it, just saw it over lunch. That being said it likely was a tenuous stretch wherein Curely and Schultz were contacted by Paterno and they had functional responsibility for University Police.  So an additional contact specifically to the Uni police isn't likely given what I am reading. That being said, I agree kiddie fiddling is too an important manner to simply allow the higher up douche bag coverup artists to manage. It warrnated much more attention even if Sandusky was a long time freind of Paterno.

Posted by: Fair Tax Forever at November 09, 2011 01:58 PM (gZVu4)

Shorter Fair Tax Forever: The information source I drew it from was mistaken: Paterno did not call the campus police.

313

You all are participating character assination! You are Pathetic and a bunch of Hypocrits!

One piece of testimony after 10 years, from a graduate student at the time claimng that Joe and his staff, all of which have family's and childern of their own, would justify Child Rape for a football program. You people make me sick!

Sandusky is the villian...instead you idiots run around and shoot your mouths off scorching the earth because you're programmed to fain rage at anything you find disturbing. The people in this situation that have done a lot of good for the all the people around them have to be thrown under the bus because of idiots like you...just another example of why this country is so weak. 

P.S. I love pedophilia.

 

   

 

314 "

Yeah, and apparently it was in the news right before this hit because his kid got him declared legally dead, as he'd been missing for almost a decade.

I still think that his county laptop and HD turning up in two separate places, along with a web history on "how to destroy a HD" on his personal PC shows that something he worked on was clearly on his mind.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 09, 2011 02:40 PM (VZ10+) "

Holy baby muppets shiite

315

"Posted by: KeepingMyEyeonTheBall at November 09, 2011 02:43 PM (JMsOK) "

KMYEOTB,

Show us on the stuffed Nitany Lion where JoePa touched you.

316 319

You all are participating character assination! You are Pathetic and a bunch of Hypocrits!

Yeah, we got the joke, already. Not overly funny, the twentieth time.

317 you idiots run around and shoot your mouths off scorching the earth because you're programmed to fain rage at anything you find disturbing.

So... it makes you mad that we get outraged at child-rape?

318

"fain rage "

is that like

rain fage?

or

feigned rage?

319

What joke?

Hypocrits how?

320 "University police are sworn peace officers, they can and do assist in multi-jurisdiction arrests and are tasked with enforcing all local laws." Who cares? And if this is true those dummies really dropped the ball in this case.

321 Obama is a Stuttering Clusteroldguysinthebalcony Of A Miserable Failure

322 "So... it makes you mad that we get outraged at child-rape?" HAHAHA...Yeah, how dare we!

323 Posted by: Entropy at November 09, 2011 02:47 PM (qxd5A)

The "joke" I'm referring to is what KMYEOTB has been doing. He's a troll, and I'm starting to feel bad about feeding him.

324 What?

325 "..and I'm starting to feel bad about feeding him." Yeah, me too. I was a little slow on the uptake with this one.

326 I agree with your first headline. FU, Joepa, and you too, McQueary. He walked in on a rape scene. He walked out. He called his daddy for advice. What a wimp. He should've taken his cue from Marsellus Wallace, rescued the kid, and told him: "This shit is between me, you and Mr. Soon-to-be-living-the-rest-of-his-short-ass-life-in-agonizing-pain, rapist here."

327 When did the perv quit coaching at Penn State? Was it before the 2002 incident? If it was I don't see what Paterno did wrong. He reported a second hand report to the two individuals he was supposed to report it to. One of them being the head of the campus police. How much contact did Parterno have with Sardusky after this incident ? How about victim one's mother? She seems to have dropped the ball.

328 Bears repeating...“All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

329

When did the perv quit coaching at Penn State? Was it before the 2002 incident?

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at November 09, 2011 02:52 PM

What does that have to do with it? So if I get a report that someone may have molested a child at my work place but they don't work there any more all I do is report it to my boss?  And if the guy didn't work there any more what was he doing there?  And why report someone who doesn't work there to anyone other than the police?

330 333 When did the perv quit coaching at Penn State? Was it before the 2002 incident? If it was I don't see what Paterno did wrong. He reported a second hand report to the two individuals he was supposed to report it to. One of them being the head of the campus police. How much contact did Parterno have with Sardusky after this incident ? How about victim one's mother? She seems to have dropped the ball.

Timeline -
1. The mom reported incident in 1998, got a confession
2. DA refuses to prosecute
3. Sandusky retires in 1999
4. Sandusky gets caught in the showers fucking a kid in 2002 by grad assistant McQueary and reported to JoePa.  The end result is that Sandusky's locker room key is confiscated.
5. DA from original case goes missing in 2005, a presumed suicide

331 polynikes - Texan for Romney Read the friggen pdf. Lord, turning your head on this stuff is what allows it to continue.

332 If a distraught grad student tells me that a 67 year old man is raping a 10 year old kid in a shower IN MY LOCKER ROOM OR ANYWHERE ELSE, I'm not waiting a day to report it to the next in line and do nothing else.

333 Mike McQueary = foolish pussy

334 By the way, the person who told Paterno that a former coach was raping a 10 year old IN THE LOCKER ROOM SHOWER was a former Penn State QB and, who I assume, was a trusted assistant, not some bum off the street. Paterno decided that McQueary was not reliable or truthful? Of course not. COVER UP!

335 Jo Pa is being muzzled by the PSU administration.  They are terrified that he will talk about this in public.

336

"...I'm not justifying what Sandusky did, although technically he's still innocent, but it's really easy for everyone to judge if they don't know the families involved...."

This is part of the response that I got from a friend of mine who grew up in State College and still lives in the area.  She is a wonderful person and the mother of several boys...but.  It sounds like a lot of the people there are still in shock and denial.

337 341 Jo Pa is being muzzled by the PSU administration.  They are terrified that he will talk about this in public.

Considering last night's little impromptu pep rally, they were justifiably terrified.

Yesterday morning, they realized they were in the midst of a public relations shit-storm that they couldn't make disappear just by ignoring it.  They're trying to save themselves and are scared that JoePa's going to go out there and make it worse... which is exactly what he's done, IMHO.

338

but it's really easy for everyone to judge if they don't know the families involved...."

Yeah. It is easy for me to judge. Because some things are BLACK AND WHITE.

And that means if I see a 10 yr old boy getting raped in the shower, then I'm putting a stop to it, no matter what it takes. And that includes killing the rapist.

And if that means an underling comes to me "distraught and shaken" and tells me something sexual occured in the showers between an old man and a 10 year old boy, then the FIRST thing I'm going to ask is "What happened?" Next, I'm calling the police.

Not only did this NOT happen, not a single person in-the-know  even tried to locate the rape victim.

Now imagine that pooer kid. The grad assistant who saw the rape testified that he made eye contact with the 10yr old as he was being raped.  So not only was the boy raped, HE KNEW AN ADULT SAW AND DIDN'T HELP!

How badly does that fuck you up? I'm guessing for the rest of your life.

Anyone that defends Paterno can fucking die in a fire. There is no defense for his inaction. NONE.

339 Considering last night's little impromptu pep rally, they were justifiably terrified.
...JoePa's going to go out there and make it worse... which is exactly what he's done, IMHO.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 09, 2011 03:15 PM

That pep rally on his lawn was disgusting.  Even some sports writers were shocked. 

340 "Anyone that defends Paterno can fucking die in a fire. There is no defense for his inaction. NONE." Yes. Good wrap up, Warden.

341

Where was the sports media on this thing?  Apparently, this started to get real serious about two years ago.  Paterno should have been pressured about this then.  The arrest made it break, but weren't the clouds already on the horizon?  This is why I think they held back to let ol' Joe Pa get the records.

Is anyone from the area?  Was the local press on it?  Did people know, but it just didn't percolate up to the national press until the arrest?

342 The NCAA needs to tell the underclassmen on the team they can transfer to any other university with no penalty, the seniors should walk off the field and give Paterno and the coaching staff the finger....it has to end ugly, no fanfare and salutes for "JoePa"...

343

Posted by: Warden at November 09, 2011 03:21 PM (HzhBE)

That was sort of my point.  I expected to get the "shocked and sad for the victims" part of her reply that I didn't put here.  I was shocked and sad to see the part I copied.

Her point was that it's such a small town that almost everyone knows the people involved and is having a hard time squaring the horrific actions they can't deny with the people whose kids they went to school with.  The students have absolutely no excuse though as they don't know these people personally and it's totally about football for them.

344

It is about time this thread started. And here I am, late...

Is it ever too early for Muy Thai training and knuckledusters?

Mcqueary is some kind of hero, ain't he?  

345 I should maybe add, Happy Valley is a miserable place where way too many people found their only self worth in a mediocre football program.  Mind you, the townies hate the university (and the feeling pretty much mutual) but Paterno they've worshipped for longer than many of them have been alive.  The reaction to having their idol smashed probably shouldn't have surprised me as much as it did.

346 I support this use of Muppets and hope to see this trend continue.

347 Polliwog, it sounds like you had a difficult time at Penn State. But there are plenty of good people who live and work here (both for the university and elsewhere) who are disgusted and angered by the whole story. If you went here, you know there are plenty of idiotic students who are happy to riot/drink/gather for any reason at all. But there are vastly more people who are horrified by the situation and think that Joe, Spanier, McQueary, Curley, Schultz, and  Garban should go. Please stop assuming that everyone is crying tears for Joe, when most people's concern lies with the victims.

348 I can't believe there hasn't been more pressure to get rid of Paterno NOW. That is very disappointing. Freemo, I do think there should be more pressure from the students/profs/and players to say he has to go.

349 In case it has not been noted by any other commenters, it ought to be mentioned that the charlatans running things in Happy Valley have also in recent years whitewashed and covered up the climate shenanigans of their ace climatologist Michael Mann.

350

Posted by: freemo at November 09, 2011 03:51 PM (F87y/)

To clarify, I didn't go to school at Penn State.  my husband was a grad student and I worked at a bank in town so we got a great view of the interaction between the two groups.  We were there for the shooting ( or was it a bomb threat, it's been awhile) please tell me there was only the one, and the rioters who filmed themselves so yeah I'm not very impressed with the place as a whole.

My point was that someone I know and like and even generally respect and who has sons of her own still said "technically he's still innocent" in regards to Sandusky.  I didn't think to ask her if any of her sons went to one of those football clinics of his but they're of the right age.  Maybe when the shock has worn off she'll realize that.  I do have a tiny amount of sympathy for the residents since Paterno has been part of their lives forever but there is no excuse for the students at all. 

351

Posted by: Spartan79 at November 09, 2011 04:02 PM (0d2Q7)

Yep, I would have loved to be more surprised.

352 Mare, I agree. I don't think you'll get that from the team at all. Perhaps former players. The students seem torn. People in town generally want him to go asap. All of the alumni that I know are absolutely furious. I know that a lot of calls and letters have gone out to the Board and to the Alumni Center. Surprisingly, there has been nothing public from the faculty, but those I know are beyond disgusted. I think it's a matter of time. There's a big trustee meeting tonight and then later in the week that Gov. Corbett is attending. I wouldn't be surprised to see Spanier gone tonight--I'd put it at 90%. For Joe, I'm guessing that it is more like 75%.

353 A last comment on this.  I honestly believe Joe Pa thinks he did nothing wrong.  That all he thinks about is what is good for the team to win. And in turn makes him look good.  Yeah I know he's supposed to be some great donor to causes whatever.  So who isn't that has money?  As I said before, we make these coaches and athletes into something they're not, gods.  And then we are disappointed when they turn out to be some of the not so nice people that exist everywhere.  This is more than just cheating, or gambling, or drinking, or selling trophies, etc.  This is more than cruelty to dogs.   If it was my kid ...

354 Polliwog, Well then that that reflects more on your friend than on the community as a whole. My experience actually living here and talking to many, many people (some longtime residents, some newer ones, some alumni, some faculty, some with no association) is radically different. So I just hope you stop using a broad brush to taint everyone here as a pedophile enabler. The students are stupid and look for any reason to prove their stupidity. Believe me when I say people are highly mortified by the "pep rally."

355 And don't get me wrong, I want every last one of them fired. I've been yelling for it since the story broke last week (well, yelling in letters to the Board of Trustees anyway).

356

Shorter Fair Tax Forever: The information source I drew it from was mistaken: Paterno did not call the campus police.
 

 

Umm no, He contacted Schultz. Schultz is in charge of the Uni Police ergo he contacted the police. He didn't contact a shlub officer he contacted the guy in charge of the Uni-Police. Turns out Schltz is a dirtbag coverup artist in the PSU administration, who'ld have thought?

Should Paterno have contacted Pa. State Police or even Center County Police, dja think? Of Course.

 

357

yelling in letters to the Board of Trustees anyway

I wish I had that option.  Since I didn't attend myself and my husband passed away there's no one with standing in our family to yell at them.  Unless you think they'd listen to a student's spouse, in which case please give me their contact info so I can do something constructive.

358 Polliwog, bot@psu.edu. I'm not an alum either, but my husband is, so I'm using that as my justification. So go for it!

359 Fair Tax Forever, the university police has jurisdiction over crimes on campus, so I'm not sure what the Borough Police or the State Police would've/could've done.

360 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

361 Agree with everything you posted Russ.

362

@365

Brought additional pressure to bear I suppose.

Started investigation into 2nd mile activities which are not part of PSU property or jurisdiction.

363

Posted by: freemo at November 09, 2011 04:35 PM (F87y/)

Thanks for the info.  Maybe it'll help to be able to do something. 

364 I'm a disgusting worm who enjoys defending pedophilia on the internet.

365 Thanks to whoever added those little bits of truth to (JMsOK)'s posts.

366 Freemo is right. I have lived in the Penn State area my whole life, have gone to school there, and I work in the area now. Everyone I know is in shock and is horrified by the events. I have talked to absolutely NO ONE who is sympathetic to anyone but the victims.

367 An anonymous Politico source said that Mitt Romney fornicates with barnyard animals

368 Im a Penn State Alumni and State College resident. We support Joe because we know that Graham Spanier (President of PSU) is a disgusting predator himself, who, chases after college girls himself. He is the reason nothing was said, he is probably afraid his habits will come out. If anyone deserves the ire and hatred of people, its this truly despicable human being. He has ruined Penn State in so many ways and now his personal lack of ethics has destroyed a man who has done nothing but good for the town and college for 50 years. Until Spanier is run out of town, Penn State will not have changed its atmosphere of corruption and disgraceful behavior. He is the root cause not Joe Paterno.

369 I still want to hear what Mrs. Sandusky has to say. You're telling me she had no idea?

370

Graham Spanier (President of PSU) is a disgusting predator himself,

That is very interesting.  If we're lucky maybe there'll be a complete house cleaning.  Maybe the overall atmosphere will improve in that case.

371

His Second Mile Foundation takes its name from moral lessons in Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, specifically from Matthew 5:41: "And whosoever shall compel thee to go one mile, go with him two."

Too bad he didn't read a little farther, to Matthew 18:6: "But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

372 What a horrible bag of shit I am.

373 Quit calling Sandusky a pedophile. He is NOT. He is a pederast. Which is to say he is a HOMOSEXUAL. This is what you get with HOMOSEXUALS. This is how they create new HOMOSEXUALS. They look for young boys 9-16. Before they can grow beards. If they actually taught history at these colleges you would recognize the formula for HOMOSEXUALS that has existed for thousands of years. Pederast. Not Pedophile.

374

All you have to do is play a little What If. What if the janitor and the Grad Assistant had seen 2 players fighting, one much larger and stronger than the other. What if the larger one was strangling the smaller. Even absent watching the actual death would it be reasonable to assume one was watching a murder happen before their very eyes? Would it be expected that they'd intervene and/or immediately dial 911? You really think rape of pre-teen boys is a lesser offense than murder cause I don't. Paterno is scum. Every person who witnessed or even knew about these horrendous acts are scum. There wasn't a man among them. They abandoned those boys to their fate. Abandoned them. They passed along their responsibilities as men, hell as human beings, to others with the assumption that someone else would 'do something'. The lives and safety they risked weren't theirs it was those little boys who were raped by a monster straight out of every child's nightmares. This could have been stopped in 2000 at the very least. How many more were victimized? Paterno and all the rest deserve repudiation, prosecution and dismissal. I spit on his contributions and heritage. May he spend the rest of his life in prison, hiding his face in shame.

 

375

" and now his personal lack of ethics has destroyed a man who has done nothing but good for the town and college for 50 years"

 

as long as you overlook JoePa overlooking a 65 year old man grooming male tweeners for his own personal use....

 

yeah, just that

#buhbyejoe

376 Umm no, He contacted Schultz. Schultz is in charge of the Uni Police ergo he contacted the police.

Er, not really.
See, the State AG charged Schultz with failure to report.

I guess you're wrong.

Stop perpetrating these silly lies.

377 There's more.....
1998 formal investigation of Sandusky for sex abuse (he admitted to the allegations) - case closed without charges at or near time Sandusky retired in 1999.  Of course Joe Pa knew.... of course the PSU administration knew.

2002 report of sex abuse by Sandusky - face-to-face - by McCreary to Paterno... and Joe Pa expects everyone to believe "no specifics" discussed, but ENOUGH was shared for him to call and inform his superior....

After the 2002 event, did you know that Sandusky continued to run football camps in five (5) different locations around PA?  Yes, these were for teens.....  (sorry I lost the link for this).

Sandusky began his charity for at risk boys in 1977......surely he was engaging in his sick predatory grooming conduct as early as then?

Not 8 or 10 victims.....I surmise the number easily is 100 or more.....

Clean house at Penn State - fire Joe Pa, Spainer, Shultz, Curely, Mcreary.....the lot of them - then don't wait for victims to come forward....scour the records and find them.  Take all the retirement / severance $ from them and use it to fund a program to help the victims.

378

"He is the root cause not Joe Paterno."

You're never gonna get these idiots here to understand this. They aren't even willing to read the Grand Jury report and note that what Joe knew was very little. He was not told there was "Rape," and what he was told was passed up the chain....these knuckledraggers just want somebody's head...they don't care who's head...Bunch.of.Hypocrits!

379 Whoever posted the "Diff'rent Strokes" pedophile episode a few weeks back is a bona-fide prognosticating vague clairvoyant of sorts & saw this news cycle coming in a roundabout way. Please pick 5 numbers from 1-59 and one number from 1-39. Thanks!

380 Isn't Penn State also protecting Dr. Michael Mann-made global warming? Considering his work on 'hiding the decline' and his hockey stick graph algorithm that works with random number inputs, does anyone else think the progressive rot and corruption goes right to the top?

381 KeepingMyEyeonTheBall at November 09, 2011 07:44 PM (JMsOK)

Yeah! For all's yous dumbasses know, all Joe heard was that sandusky was equivalent to something along the lines of "hey, coach, I saw sandusky steal a candy bar from a vending machine".
You tell 'em, these people really are fucking morons. Geez, read the damned grand jury thingamajig, right?

382 I hope you never stop!  This is one of the best blogs Ive ever read.  Youve got some mad skill here, man.  I just hope that you dont lose your style because youre definitely one of the coolest bloggers out there.  Please keep it up because the internet needs someone like you spreading the word.

383 Odd how the cops had contact and info regarding this soon to be dead motherfucker way back in '98. They need to be named and marked for life as piece of shit anti-heroes just as much as mcqueary and jopa.

384

The past 24 hours have reiterated to me what I've felt about Pennsvylvania and Ohio.

385 Sure hope my kids find the strength to kill a motherfucker that does this shit to them if ever faced with such a horrible, horrible situation. If only one victim (I know, so so very young) had been taught about this potential reality. What does that say about mcqueary and jopa and the piece of shit cops that heard the fucking conversation all the way back in '98? Some anonymous moron in the peanut gallery is left to wish that the fucking TEN YEAR OLDS could have stepped up to the plate and ended this fucking travesty. DOOM. Pathetic. And, here in this thread, some a-hole named KeepingMyEyeonTheBall (JMsOK) is defending jopa? Yeah, let's focus on the victims. Nice solution, slush brain fucktard. Had your innocent & glorious hero jopa stepped up to the fucking plate, we wouldn't be talking about this horrible shit now and who knows how many victims would have been spared PTSD. Another factor for you, fucktard eyeontheball, how many of these victimized kids will carry the victimization forward and prey on children in the future?

386

How many predators are there in the world of sports and youth activities?

DON'T LEAVE YOUR CHILDREN ALONE EVER WITH A COACH, TEACHER or MENTOR.  Nobody can be trusted with your child.  I don't care if you think you know that coach, teacher or mentor.  A smart coach, teacher, mentor, etc. INVITES and REQUIRES parental presence at all lessons.  A smart parent stays in his or her child's business.  A smart parent volunteers incessantly and NEVER TRUSTS anyone else to do his/her job.  I know it's exhausting, but in this day and age of shameless immorality and lack of self-control, you just can't trust anyone.  (In some cases, not even grandpa and grandma.) 

When I was in high school (20 years ago), the varsity basketball coach was my Algebra II teacher.  He flat out told the females in the class that if they had trouble with a problem and needed to speak to him about it, they had to come in a group.  He protected himself and the students.

And I never let teenage males babysit my kids.  Heck, I don't let anyone babysit my kids.

 

 

387

Paterno and others may be legally responsible and legally guilty according to one law or another compared to what they did or didn't do.  Or not.
But, as so many commenters have said, there's a moral dimension to this.  If Paterno had made the report as he asserts, his moral responsibility would have been to see if Sandusky had been arrested in the succeeding, say, three days, or to see if an investigation had been started.  If neither one, he should get back on the phone until something happened.

 

It's going to be interesting to see how the usual suspects (various interest and advocacy groups) line up on this one.

See the Frank Lombard Duke rape case to see so many conflicting narratives and interest groups that should have sounded like six freight trains collided that there was...silence.

388 That is useful information and its quite easy to come a croper if you are not vigilant.

389 This info is a terrific read. Thanks for the info.I am looking forward for more updates.

390 So if one gets hearsay evidence of a crime (totally inadmissible in court), one become responsible for not reporting a crime to the police?  What the heck was the actual witness doing? Calling his father? 

So now every bit of gossip you hear that possibly could be interpreted as involving a felony now requires you to report hearsay evidence to the police?  Great.  I think I've read about certain people around here doing immoral things with pudding.  I guess I must call the cops feds Interpol because this may be a crime in some jurisdiction Iran and the information was certainly bragged about across state lines internationally.

But I should realize I'm effing with the lawyers gravy train here.  It doesn't matter that the only person with direct knowledge of the the child rape failed to call the police.  Grad assistants don't have money.  Its always the nearest rich guy or organization that's at fault.  Unless its a union. 

Oh, I forgot.  The grad assistant was likely under 26 is now considered a child himself.  Hang Joe instead.

391 396 Snookered, I only comment casually here, but quick perusal convinces me that this is not the place to take that line.

Wait, you're that miserable troll Keepingmyeyesonlittleboys, aren't you? Ha, ha, tricked me again, shitbird.

Oh, and I don't want to hear another goddam word about gay Scoutmasters, either.

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