September 28, 2011
— Ace Over in the sidebar are a couple of polls showing Romney passing Perry in Iowa and Florida.
Now, nationally, Romney has edged back up into the lead.
Romney hasn't actually gained -- it's just that Perry has dropped ten points, with Gingrich and especially Cain benefiting.
The new poll found CainÂ’s support has nearly tripled among GOP primary voters to 17 percent.ThatÂ’s up from 6 percent before this monthÂ’s debates, and puts him in what is essentially a three-way tie with Perry and Romney.
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Perry now garners 19 percent, a drop of 10 percentage points from a month ago. That puts Romney back in the top spot with the support of 23 percent. Last month Romney was at 22 percent.
Newt Gingrich recovered some ground and now stands at 11 percent. Ron Paul receives the backing of 6 percent now compared to 8 percent before the September debates.
Bachmann has fallen to 3%.
No Palin: This poll doesn't exactly track the last one because this time, Palin wasn't included, whereas in the last one, she was.
Where did her supporters go in this poll? Well it seems not to Perry. Most likely to the "flavor of the month," as she terms Cain.
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Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 28, 2011 02:10 PM (aRq7t)
Seems like a pretty good poll, too, as far as that goes.
Can't say I don't understand Perry losing support to Gingrich and Cain. I'm a Perry supporter and I like Gingrich more than I did a few months ago, and I like Cain a hell of lot more than I do Newt.
But Romney? What is up with that? I don't understand why he polls more than 1%.
Posted by: Dustin at September 28, 2011 02:10 PM (fF625)
Posted by: Bev Perdue at September 28, 2011 02:11 PM (FcR7P)
Funny, isn't it? Or completely predictable.
Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 02:11 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Kensington at September 28, 2011 02:12 PM (Z7toi)
Posted by: tasker at September 28, 2011 02:13 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: Michael Moore at September 28, 2011 02:13 PM (usXZy)
The focus of attacks have been on Perry the past 5-6 weeks. Before Perry entered the race, Romney's strategy was to run against Obama and ignore the competition as unelectable.
On top of that, since Romney isn't actually - you know - doing anything right now (such as governing a state), there's very little Obama can do to harm him. So Obama is ignoring him, too.
I think the comforting thing for a Perry supporter is that Romney has not grabbed the Perry votes.
Unfortunately, that's also the worrisome thing for most of us who want to see Obama unseated in 2012.
Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 02:14 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: John McCain at September 28, 2011 02:15 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 28, 2011 02:15 PM (deaac)
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at September 28, 2011 02:16 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: John McCain at September 28, 2011 02:16 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2011 02:18 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: I friggin' HATE RINOs at September 28, 2011 02:18 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 28, 2011 02:18 PM (deaac)
Posted by: Hotair Commenter at September 28, 2011 02:18 PM (tU9tV)
Posted by: Julie at September 28, 2011 02:18 PM (O/fK8)
Well, I gave him a serious look B.P. (Before Perry) and after Romney refused to disavow Masscare, but he lost me with his "no Muslim appointees" statement (and the even worse apology for that) and his overall naivetee on foreign policy. And as I looked at his resume - and thought about it - I realized I knew nothing that he did of consequence at the Fed (KC). He is capable of delivering a really good speech, but he just isn't prepared to be POTUS.
Gingrich would be my back up to Perry... and that's not a very heartening thought.
Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 02:18 PM (5H6zj)
The real joke is that you stupid wingers think there will BE elections. Hee hee hee.
Posted by: Gov. B Perdue, et al at September 28, 2011 02:19 PM (ONGHB)
Posted by: Magic MSM Talking Head at September 28, 2011 02:19 PM (LvQK2)
Posted by: AndrewsDad at September 28, 2011 02:19 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 02:19 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Mitt Romney at September 28, 2011 02:19 PM (rJVPU)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 02:20 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Julie at September 28, 2011 02:21 PM (O/fK8)
That's OK.
Just get excited about voting against Obama. Early. And Often.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 06:20 PM (niZvt)
Oh I am excited about that.. would just rather be voting for someone than against someone.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at September 28, 2011 02:21 PM (C2//T)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 28, 2011 02:22 PM (ZDUD4)
Perry: I want to like because I thought everyone else might, too, but he doesn't seem to want me to like him.
Romney: Not much to like.
Yeah, I could probably phrase that in "thinking" terms, but I also like honesty.
Posted by: Methos at September 28, 2011 02:22 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 02:22 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Mandy P. refuses to watch the SCOAMF at September 28, 2011 02:22 PM (qFpRI)
"When I was in France evading the draft until Sargent Shriver could arrange a high lottery number for me doing totally patriotic stuff, there was a beggar who would loiter around the mission, asking for pizza—he didn't speak French, and somehow he'd got the impression that 'pizza' was the local word for bread!—an itinerant Nigerian the locals called Oncle Tomas..."
Posted by: oblig. at September 28, 2011 02:22 PM (xvZW9)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 28, 2011 02:22 PM (deaac)
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 28, 2011 02:23 PM (5Wl/f)
Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at September 28, 2011 02:25 PM (6IV8T)
Posted by: The Gonads of Inevitibility at September 28, 2011 02:25 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 02:27 PM (fyOgS)
...so Mitt admitted, the mission taught him salesmanship, and he was made "executive" so he didn't even make sales, but showed up as a PR stunt at mission headquarters, writing memos and tracking other people's sales/conversions.
Posted by: didn't take long at September 28, 2011 02:27 PM (lpWVn)
I understand that sentiment, but the one I'm really mad at is Bachmann. First, I'm pissed that she got me to take her seriously, against my better judgment. And, second, I'm furious at her over the ridiculous Gardasil crap and crony capitalism attacks on Perry. I will say, though, that she was so wacky about the former that she sort of helped rehabilitate Perry against the "against science" stuff.
I hope someone unseats her next time. Bitch.
Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 02:27 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 02:28 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: tasker at September 28, 2011 02:29 PM (rJVPU)
Looks like someone didn't get the memo about conservatives h8tin' on black people.
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at September 28, 2011 02:29 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 28, 2011 02:30 PM (aRq7t)
Look at the POS 52% of Americans voted for.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 28, 2011 02:31 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 02:31 PM (fyOgS)
You're comparing HERMAN CAIN to the father of our country, the greatest President in American history (who had to fight a Civil War and was actually a terrible blunderer at first who learned on the job at the cost of tens of thousands of lives), and a SCOAMF.
You are not a serious person. And if you ever attempted this argument with someone who had not already drank the Kool-Aid, you would be laughed out of the room.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 02:31 PM (hIWe1)
I am reading this blog correctly?
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at September 28, 2011 02:31 PM (mAm+G)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 28, 2011 02:31 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 28, 2011 02:31 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 28, 2011 02:33 PM (tX5RN)
Posted by: katya, the preacher's wife at September 28, 2011 02:33 PM (7qKVv)
Look at the POS 52% of Americans voted for.
Don't get me wrong, I like him. In a perfect World he would be the perfect choice. Unfortunately we don't live in that perfect World.I can't help but think Obama has poisoned the well for other Black candidates for while, and I don't mean to sound racist, so don't take it that way....
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 28, 2011 02:34 PM (5Wl/f)
so who among those three are going to repeal Obamacare and close the border and revise immigration laws?
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2011 06:18 PM
Sarah, that's who.
Posted by: arhooley at September 28, 2011 02:34 PM (nTmke)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 02:34 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2011 02:34 PM (QxSug)
If Romney didn't have to fight his own fellow conservatives he would be at 90%.
You are shooting yourselves in the foot by demagoguing Romney's record the way you do.
Romney is nothing like he is portrayed on Red State etc. Erick Erickson admitted he was working from McCain's opposition research to bring Romney down. He said he had the book the McCain campaign put together. He also admitted there was really nothing in the research except a few changes in position. And that the only thing McCain could do was find discrepancies in stuff Romney said... that is why the flip flop stuff is so overdone. It is all the bad there is.
Amazing that we are all still listening to the dirt from the McCain campaign.
Posted by: petunia at September 28, 2011 02:34 PM (hgrmi)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2011 02:35 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 28, 2011 02:35 PM (ZDUD4)
You know, I had a feeling one of you horn-dogs would hit that hanging curve... Why am I not surprised it was you?!
Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 02:35 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: The Gonads of Inevitibility at September 28, 2011 06:25 PM (OlN4e)
Rush is right about Cain's growing appeal. I've not heard him say anything outside of conservatism.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 28, 2011 02:36 PM (mFziQ)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 28, 2011 02:36 PM (deaac)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 28, 2011 02:38 PM (tX5RN)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 28, 2011 02:39 PM (aRq7t)
Posted by: blaster at September 28, 2011 06:17 PM (Fw2Gg)
heh - good one
Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2011 02:39 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 28, 2011 06:36 PM (deaac)
Thats a good point. In fact, I failed to see any point in that post (JeffB's)whatsoever.
Posted by: The Gonads of Inevitibility at September 28, 2011 02:39 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 28, 2011 06:31 PM (eOXTH)
Taking our pants off.
Posted by: AoS morons at September 28, 2011 02:39 PM (jiVmv)
Never thought I'd live to see the day that Al-Qaeda did something useful with themselves.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at September 28, 2011 02:39 PM (HwE/1)
Posted by: arhooley at September 28, 2011 06:34 PM (nTmke)
AAAAHHHHH!! Once again. SHE'S NOT A CANDIDATE!
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 28, 2011 02:39 PM (mFziQ)
It does sort of feel like 2008 again, in the sense that I remember watching in horror as the nomination went to McCain, thinking "no, No, NO!" and then knowing, with quiet certainty (that I did my best to suppress), that Obama would win.
Posted by: Kensington at September 28, 2011 02:40 PM (Z7toi)
You don't have to be smart to realize that it's rhetorically farcical to compare Herman Cain to George Washington (who fought and won the Revolutionary War), Abraham Lincoln (who wasn't nearly as inexperienced as Cain, and was actually a horrible disaster at first himself), and Barack Obama (a SCOAMF)...and think that this is somehow a great argument in favor of Cain.
In fact, if anything, the fact that you had to reach to Obama (failure) and Washington & Lincoln (horrible comparisons that make people laugh) explains exactly why Cain's lack of experience is such a deal-breaker. Look, I love the guy. I'd vote for him a general election too. But he's not qualified and America isn't in the mood to nominate another "black guy who gives good speeches but has no other political experience," except this time from the conservative end.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 02:40 PM (hIWe1)
I can't help but think Obama has poisoned the well for other Black candidates for while
I don't think so. Cain is the "other" black candidate. Proof you don't have to vote for a liar to show you're not racist. I think it's the perfect opportunity for another African-American to run.
Posted by: katya, the preacher's wife at September 28, 2011 02:40 PM (7qKVv)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2011 02:41 PM (QxSug)
If it is Mittens..I'm sitting it out. There's not a dimes difference between him and the SCoaMF
Posted by: beedubya at September 28, 2011 02:41 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 02:41 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 28, 2011 02:42 PM (0DGtF)
Posted by: petunia at September 28, 2011 06:34 PM (hgrmi)
You do realize, don't you, that we've all been watching Romney for going on four years now, right?
"He also admitted there was really nothing in the research except a few changes in position."
Umm....ROMNEYCARE.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at September 28, 2011 02:42 PM (7EV/g)
Posted by: beedubya at September 28, 2011 06:41 PM (AnTyA)
Sure, you do that. And hey, thanks to all you "real" conservatives who sat on your hands instead of voting for McCain, too. I appreciate it.
Posted by: President SCoaMF at September 28, 2011 02:43 PM (HwE/1)
I can't help but think Obama has poisoned the well for other Black candidates for while
I don't think so. Lefties are oddly willing to overlook his race and call him a fascist shit without reflecting on whether it's okay to insult a Black man. And I imagine those dumbass indies who elected the first Black president would be equally excited to elect the second Black president.
Posted by: arhooley at September 28, 2011 02:43 PM (nTmke)
Posted by: Leo Ladenson at September 28, 2011 06:31 PM
By George, I think you've GOT it!
Yes indeedy, our own little Osama Obama, Indonesia (and Kenya)'s Favorite Son, is irrefutably a stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure!
Very astute for a Janitor!
All that said, I don't think the polls mean that much right now. My own poll -- taken of me, just a moment ago -- reveals that I would cast a vote for Perry with a neutral expression on my face, a vote for Cain while smiling, and a vote for Mutt Romney while keeping my hand over my mouth to keep from hurling all over the ballot paper.
Shit, I'll write in Putrid Road Kill if it's running against the Traitor-in-Chief.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 28, 2011 02:44 PM (YjjrR)
IOW Romney seems to be settling in on a soft cap of support that will harden into a minority in the GOP primaries. I can't say I'd be upset with that outcome.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 28, 2011 02:44 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Obama Opposition Research at September 28, 2011 02:44 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 28, 2011 02:44 PM (ZDUD4)
So basically what you're saying is that your argument for Cain is based on identity politics? Great.
What has our party become? What has conservatism really come to now? Qualifications and experience -- no longer necessary because hey, gregarious black dude makes for a good contrast to Obama. Forget the fact that he knows absolutely nothing about foreign policy! Forget the fact that his economic plan is an impossible joke! Forget the fact that he's already made several statements that could, at best, be labelled outright bigotry. "He's a charming African-American, it provides an opening against Obama (but really, to make me feel good)!"
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 02:44 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Ed Anger at September 28, 2011 02:45 PM (7+pP9)
At least go vote the down ticket offices.
Posted by: Retread at September 28, 2011 02:46 PM (/I7U2)
Posted by: Extremely gullible liberal asshat who's heard of something called the SCOAMF at September 28, 2011 02:46 PM (psCad)
Three words..... Supreme Court Justices....
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 28, 2011 02:46 PM (5Wl/f)
Posted by: tasker at September 28, 2011 02:47 PM (rJVPU)
I've pegged you as a liberal troll for awhile now, so this doesn't surprise me at all.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 02:47 PM (hIWe1)
“I don’t speak for the scientific community, of course,’’ Romney said. “But I believe the world’s getting warmer. I can’t prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that … so I think it’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you’re seeing.’’
Posted by: Mitt Romney! at September 28, 2011 02:47 PM (q177U)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 02:47 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2011 02:48 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 02:48 PM (fyOgS)
I'm certain that most on the left don't consider him authentically black. Clarence Thomas comes to mind. Ideology and skin color are closely intertwined, from their perspective. So, any conservative support for a person of color in the left's dangerously convoluted way of thinking is summarily written off as disingenuous .
Still, it'll make their claims that we only want Obama out because he's black, stupider than ever. Not that it would actually stop them, but it'll be entertaining to watch.
Posted by: katya, the preacher's wife at September 28, 2011 02:49 PM (7qKVv)
NEWSWEEK: You've described the Massachusetts health overhaul as "the ultimate conservative plan"? Why?
Mitt Romney: Right now, in lots of parts of the country, if individuals do not have insurance, they can arrive at the hospital and be given free care, paid for by government. Our current system is a big-government system. A conservative approach is one that relies on individual responsibility.
Posted by: Mitt Romney! at September 28, 2011 02:49 PM (q177U)
I also want to see us become more energy efficient. IÂ’m told that we use almost twice as much energy per person as does a European, and more like three times as much as does a Japanese citizen. We could do a lot better. IÂ’d like to see our vehicles, and our homes, and our systems of insulation and so forth become far more efficient. I believe that we have a role in trying to encourage that to happen.
Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 02:49 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 28, 2011 02:49 PM (ZDUD4)
If you want to embrace Islam, you're in the wrong party.
Posted by: Methos at September 28, 2011 02:49 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at September 28, 2011 02:49 PM (v49dF)
Posted by: Mitt Romney! at September 28, 2011 06:47 PM
Teh stupid and arogent in that is amazing. "I think . . ." What, you think? So the f*ck what? You're not running for Weather Scientist in Chief. Oh. Or are you?
Posted by: arhooley at September 28, 2011 02:50 PM (nTmke)
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I'm not arguing there's equivalence in the responsibilities of positions sought.
I am observing that the question of experience is adopted or dropped as a matter of convenience, IMHO.
Posted by: No Whining at September 28, 2011 02:50 PM (0AClR)
Entertaining to watch, while we lose a winnable election by 5%? Are you in this for entertainment value?
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 02:50 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: The Gonads of Inevitibility at September 28, 2011 02:50 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 02:50 PM (5H6zj)
(copied from an unlinked article)
Another point for those who werenÂ’t paying attention, and only paying more for insurance in Massachusetts, Romneycare even created a form of racial quotas:
“The reform also established a statewide Racial and Ethnic Health Disparities Council to track disparities data and create Pay for Performance benchmarks.”
Posted by: Mitt Romney! at September 28, 2011 02:51 PM (q177U)
If it is Mittens..I'm sitting it out. There's not a dimes difference between him and the SCoaMF
Obama is doing all the wrong shit on purpose, at least if Romney does the wrong thing it won't be on purpose. I do think he loves his country, unlike Obama. That's the difference I see. I'm not crazy about Romney but I damn sure won't stay home in 2012 just because my guy didn't get the nomination.
OMG- Obama Must Go.
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 28, 2011 02:51 PM (Z71Vg)
the only worse than polls is people who put any stock in them.
elections are the only polls worth taking notice of.
Posted by: shoey at September 28, 2011 02:52 PM (jdOk/)
So basically what you're saying is that your argument for Cain is based on identity politics? Great.
No, I am not. I'm saying that Obama HAS paved the way for a minority to be POTUS. I like Cain. A lot. Based on his own merit. And I would happily vote for him based on his own merit.
Posted by: katya, the preacher's wife at September 28, 2011 02:52 PM (7qKVv)
That chapter was removed from his book.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at September 28, 2011 02:52 PM (HtUdo)
If you want to throw away the 1st Amendment, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution the minute it becomes personally inconvenient for you, then you're in the wrong party.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 02:52 PM (hIWe1)
AAAAHHHHH!! Once again. SHE'S NOT A CANDIDATE!
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 28, 2011 06:39 PMIt's not my fault joeindc44 asked the wrong question.
Posted by: arhooley at September 28, 2011 02:52 PM (nTmke)
IÂ’m told that we use almost twice as much energy per person as does a European, and more like three times as much as does a Japanese citizen. We could do a lot better.
OK, I'll do my part. Time to trade in the 6 cylinder and get a V-8
Posted by: fluffy at September 28, 2011 02:52 PM (3SvjA)
So it's shaking out to be Romney versus non-Romney with the non-Romney vote getting spread out among many. I'm thinking the non-Romney vote will coalesce as individuals drop out over the next several months with the non-Romney candidate out-gaining Romney.
As I said on an earlier thread, I think the final nomination vote will come during the repub convention. Yes, I think it'll remain uncallable until then. Polls be damned.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 28, 2011 02:52 PM (mFziQ)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2011 02:52 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Kensington at September 28, 2011 02:53 PM (Z7toi)
Healthcare, cap and trade, raising corporate taxes...and on..and on
the only difference between Mittens and the SCoaMF is that Mittens doesn't wear Mom jeans
Posted by: beedubya at September 28, 2011 02:53 PM (AnTyA)
I could be pretty happy with Perry.
I would vote for Romney or anyone but Obama.
Posted by: someone at September 28, 2011 02:53 PM (bqjJT)
Posted by: Max Power at September 28, 2011 02:53 PM (q177U)
Posted by: shoey at September 28, 2011 02:53 PM (jdOk/)
Name one election since 1984 that wasn't a choice between the lesser of two evils.
(Okay, maybe 1996.)
Posted by: Rusty Nail at September 28, 2011 02:54 PM (HwE/1)
Mitt Romney is not equipped to handle the kind of 24/7 assault he will get if he becomes the nominee. Most of these guys have no idea how bad it's going to be, but I'll bet Herman Cain can imagine it.
Posted by: Kensington at September 28, 2011 02:55 PM (Z7toi)
Posted by: Brooksie at September 28, 2011 02:55 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 28, 2011 02:55 PM (deaac)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 02:55 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Brooksie at September 28, 2011 02:55 PM (fyOgS)
Entertaining to watch, while we lose a winnable election by 5%? Are you in this for entertainment value?
Oh, absolutely. I have such a dreary life that I consider the dismanteling of America and our liberty amusing.
Posted by: katya, the preacher's wife at September 28, 2011 02:55 PM (7qKVv)
Still, it'll make their claims that we only want Obama out because he's black, stupider than ever. Not that it would actually stop them, but it'll be entertaining to watch.
Posted by: katya, the preacher's wife at September 28, 2011 06:49 PMYou know what I saw on Kos when Cain went up in popularity? The Teahadists hate Brown people so much that they're willing to elevate a Black. True story.
Posted by: arhooley at September 28, 2011 02:55 PM (nTmke)
Also, Cain is such a fortunate name to be is in catchy campaign slogans.
Cain Do Attitude
Yes We Cain
Raising Cain
Cain is Able
Citizen Cain
The list goes on.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 28, 2011 02:56 PM (uVlA4)
Umm - no not really. When it comes to federal office, the House of Representatives is usually the entry-level position. Herman Cain hasn't even won a HOUSE election.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2011 02:56 PM (s7mIC)
the only difference between Mittens and the SCoaMF is that Mittens doesn't wear Mom jeans
Posted by: beedubya at September 28, 2011 06:53 PM (AnTyA)
that's funny and true...
Posted by: shoey at September 28, 2011 02:56 PM (jdOk/)
Posted by: Max Power at September 28, 2011 06:53 PM (q177U)
Nope.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at September 28, 2011 02:57 PM (v49dF)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 28, 2011 02:58 PM (deaac)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 28, 2011 02:58 PM (nRTou)
Dude wait until the Klieg lights get turned on Romney. He has no idea what's coming and will be charbroiled by the MFM.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at September 28, 2011 02:58 PM (HtUdo)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 02:58 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 02:58 PM (fyOgS)
Mitt Romney is not equipped to handle the kind of 24/7 assault he will get if he becomes the nominee.
Actually, he is equipped. He has his Sword of Compromise (now with extra Bluntness), his patented Shield of Apology, his Force Field of Flip-Flop, and Legion of Leftist Leanings.
Posted by: arhooley at September 28, 2011 02:58 PM (nTmke)
Posted by: Kensington at September 28, 2011 02:59 PM (Z7toi)
If his name was preceded by the word "General"? Sure, the complete and total lack of experience in elected office could be overlooked in that case. As a guy who once upon a time was a CEO and later a talk show host trying to beat an incumbent during an economic crisis? No. I seriously doubt the voters are going to hand the reins over to a complete novice.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 28, 2011 02:59 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 02:59 PM (fyOgS)
I never use that rule when buying bourbon or dating women.
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at September 28, 2011 02:59 PM (HtUdo)
Posted by: Rusty Nail at September 28, 2011 02:59 PM (HwE/1)
Dude wait until the Klieg lights get turned on Romney. He has no idea what's coming and will be charbroiled by the MFM.
He might be. But at least Romney has been in an electoral contest where there were negative attacks, so he has an idea of what's coming. Hell, all of them have - EXCEPT Cain.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2011 02:59 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 28, 2011 02:59 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 28, 2011 02:59 PM (5Wl/f)
Posted by: Fritz at September 28, 2011 03:00 PM (FabC8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 03:01 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 28, 2011 03:01 PM (deaac)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 03:01 PM (fyOgS)
the only difference between Mittens and the SCoaMF is that Mittens doesn't wear Mom jeans
Mitt has held a real job, maybe even two.Also, though I doubt he does it himself, I bet he could water his own lawn.
Posted by: fluffy at September 28, 2011 03:01 PM (3SvjA)
Mitt Romney is not equipped to handle the kind of 24/7 assault he will get if he becomes the nominee.
Actually, he is equipped. He has his Sword of Compromise (now with extra Bluntness), his patented Shield of Apology, his Force Field of Flip-Flop, and Legion of Leftist Leanings.
Posted by: arhooley at September 28, 2011 06:58 PM (nTmke)
Yep he's all ready for that. Its the "yes or no" questions that are going to be his biggest hurdle. I don't think he could even give a straight answer to "do you love your mother?"
Posted by: buzzion at September 28, 2011 03:01 PM (GULKT)
So you subscribe to the George Costanza School of Thought when it comes to intelligence and sex, huh?
What an insightful comment.
heh heh
Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 03:01 PM (5H6zj)
They're afraid of Cain, because he'll trash the system and put us on a rightward course. Although I think he should start talking about his experience at the Fed, to help bolster his tax and experience arguments
Posted by: Iblis at September 28, 2011 03:02 PM (9221z)
Looks like Cain told Wolf Blitzed in an interview that he couldn't back Perry because of differences. Maybe he's hoping for VP under Romney?
Works for me, thought I am still hoping whoever our nominee is picks Rubio.
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 28, 2011 03:02 PM (Z71Vg)
Probably. However, if Romney were to lose against Obama, especially amidst all this economic and foreign-affairs turmoil, we are completely boned. We all might as well "seek the good life in the Offworld colonies".
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 28, 2011 03:03 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 03:03 PM (niZvt)
OK, I lol'd at that one.
Posted by: Y-not, D&D widow at September 28, 2011 03:04 PM (5H6zj)
Thanks! You don't know how much we appreciate not having to court your support as we make milquetoast compromise after milquetoast compromise in order to appeal to the kind of squishy-headed dummies that will end up voting for Obama anyway. Which will be okay with us anyway, really.
Posted by: The GOP Establishment at September 28, 2011 03:04 PM (Z7toi)
If you want to know exactly what an Obama/Cain campaign season and election would look like and how it would turn out, you need look no further than Obama vs. Keyes.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at September 28, 2011 06:59 PM (HwE/1)
I don't think quite that bad, if only because there will be enough money for quality advisors for Cain. But, yeah, something like that.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at September 28, 2011 03:04 PM (7EV/g)
Posted by: wooga at September 28, 2011 03:04 PM (vjyZP)
Posted by: Bev ("Skank") Perdue at September 28, 2011 03:05 PM (w41GQ)
Perry better get his fucking "lucky" powers working.
Also: I've got this crazy feeling that internal polls are showing Perry is much stronger against Obama then we are hearing. Thats why even left leaning polls are showing Romney in the lead...he's going to lose against Obama.
Yes, I know, crazier than a crazy cat lady. What can I say, we don't have any A/C at work and its fucking 85 degrees in here.
Posted by: Max Power at September 28, 2011 03:05 PM (q177U)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 03:05 PM (niZvt)
I LOL'ed through the tears. Hard.
Posted by: Kensington at September 28, 2011 03:05 PM (Z7toi)
You know what? When some Mosque does that, guess what? The 1st Amendment will still be part of our Constitution. There can be no argument about this: if you support suspending the single most basic freedom we have in America simply because you really, really dislike one religion, then you are not a conservative. You never were a conservative, and you never will be a conservative until you change your viewpoint. You don't ACTUALLY give a shit about the Constitution or the rule of law, you instead think it's "something that only applies to non-Muslims."
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 03:06 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 28, 2011 03:06 PM (tX5RN)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 28, 2011 03:06 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 03:07 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 28, 2011 07:06 PM (tX5RN)
what kind of dimes we talkin about here?
Posted by: robtr at September 28, 2011 03:08 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 03:08 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2011 06:56 PM (s7mIC)
I refuse to buy into your premise. But just as an aside, our focus should also be on getting a solid majority in the senate and a larger one in the house. No repub prez, no matter who it is, will be able to do shit to rectify what's wrong now without a senate and house behind him.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 28, 2011 03:08 PM (mFziQ)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 28, 2011 03:09 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 28, 2011 03:10 PM (tX5RN)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 03:11 PM (fyOgS)
186
It's all about the narrative. A comprehensive review of Romney's record as Governor, consideration of the dynamic he had work within there, and his platform for President would be nice, but it's inconvenient to the narrative.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 28, 2011 03:11 PM (0DGtF)
They already have you arrogant asshole. And no I didn't. So what the fuck do you know? Oh that's right: you're an ignorant liberal who would shit all over this nation and its Constitution in order to get at some people whose religion you think is nasty.
Me? I'm a conservative. A constitutional conservative. Try it sometime.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 03:11 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at September 28, 2011 03:12 PM (v49dF)
I agree completely, however, i'm not so sure he would take it. He is scary smart and very polished but I see him doing great things in the senate. Without good leadership they're, changing the way America functions will be difficult.
Yeah but just think. Say Romney wins, gets re-elected. Then it's Rubio in 2020. Amma right?? lol.. math is hard.
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at September 28, 2011 03:12 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 03:13 PM (fyOgS)
The Constitution is not a suicide pact. And it should not be applied to those who would take away our rights, whether they practice Islam or socialism.
But if you want to hide behind it in order to make your support for Islam seem legitimate, knock yourself out.
Posted by: Methos at September 28, 2011 03:14 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 03:14 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 07:11 PM (fyOgS)
No, if individual Muslims commit violent acts then they (and they alone) lose their freedoms. The last time I remember our government trying to brand a religious group as criminal in-and-of itself was Waco. Remind me, how did that work out for everyone involved?
Posted by: Rusty Nail at September 28, 2011 03:14 PM (HwE/1)
Agree. The feature and not a bug of the next election will be gridlock if Obama were to miraculously win that 52% back. If he loses, which I think he will and spectacularly, super(majorities) in the Congress will finally give us the chance to save this nation from more than economic ruin... assuming we get a non-Statist replacement. Big assumption there due to government inertia and voter indifference/ignorance.
But, yes, our backstop needs to be both houses of Congress so that agenda-setting and investigations (or even impeachment) are viable options over our rogue Executive otherwise known as SCoaMF.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 28, 2011 03:15 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 03:16 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 28, 2011 03:18 PM (ZDUD4)
Actually he said RomneyCare should be the model for a national program..he actually proposed a regional cap and trade programs...and raised taxes as governor.
Romney is an establishment piece of shit who will say or do anything as long as it benefits Romney
Posted by: beedubya at September 28, 2011 03:20 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: TimDownSouth at September 28, 2011 03:21 PM (I5xeh)
Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 03:22 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 28, 2011 03:23 PM (tX5RN)
Posted by: Gen. Eric Republican, USAF ret at September 28, 2011 03:23 PM (GTbGH)
agreed
Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2011 03:25 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Berserker at September 28, 2011 03:25 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 28, 2011 03:28 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 28, 2011 03:28 PM (ItS0C)
Thank You.
Guy who counts jobs saved or created
Posted by: The guy in charge of jobs saved or created at September 28, 2011 03:41 PM (3aJ/q)
So Cain won't support Perry if he's the GOP candidate but he'll support ROMNEY??!!!!!!
WTF. I knew that last question of "the game" meant something.
Posted by: Ghost of Kim Novak at September 28, 2011 03:44 PM (8DdAv)
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 28, 2011 03:47 PM (lpWVn)
No, thinking is bad. You must obey my interpretation of the Constitution and its implications unquestioningly. Because I alone am the true conservative on this site, because I will happily vote for Romney.
Posted by: BeffJ., dhimmi at September 28, 2011 03:49 PM (sOXQX)
The guy was governor. Everything he did as governor sucked ass.
Many say his Bain skills will be put to the test, cleaning all the fat out of the government, but I don't really think the President is that powerful. He needs to massage the legislature to cut government (like Perry does, actually... almost exactly like Perry does). Romney actually GREW the MA government, its cost, and its taxes, while he also increased anti gun regulations and healthcare regulation dramatically. He's talking the talk today, but I reject that in light of his record being the opposite.
Is it really possible to govern hard left, then put out a relatively conservative agenda and get a large number of conservatives to support you? Are Romney's supporters just trying to get as close to the center as they can because they figure that's where the most votes are?
I worry about Romney partly just because I think he's an unprincipled anti reform demagogue, but also because dammit, he's going to split the right much worse than Mccain did. Obamacare is too fresh on our minds. Obama is not stupid. His billion dollar campaign will focus like a laserbean on the dynamite of Romney's flip flops. This way, he pisses off the GOP base very effectively. The guy makes John Kerry look like John Wayne.
Posted by: Dustin at September 28, 2011 03:52 PM (fF625)
Posted by: Paul at September 28, 2011 03:56 PM (DsHk0)
Posted by: Dustin at September 28, 2011 04:00 PM (fF625)
Posted by: Paul at September 28, 2011 07:56 PM (DsHk0)"
No shit. Love Rush, and don't recall him saying that, but I know some have, and damn they are wrong.
Just on judicial nominations, we will be dealing with Obama's decisions for the next forty freaking years if we are lucky.
Posted by: Dustin at September 28, 2011 04:01 PM (fF625)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 28, 2011 04:09 PM (niZvt)
>>>As far as I'm concerned, this is Cain's Tardisil Moment. Good night, Herman!
It is a gaffe. Cain was probably talking about the primaries and not the general election, but still...gaffe. Again: not ready for primetime.
Nonetheless, I keep insisting to you folks that Cain and Romney like each other quite a lot, and this merely proves it. Cain said he would support Romney assuming Romney commits to repealing Obamacare (which he already has, so there you go). But he couldn't support Perry.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 04:32 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 04:34 PM (hIWe1)
>>>We know because you keep telling us.
No -- you guys can sometimes be idiots, as can I. (And then again we're ALL morons here). But the Hot Air commenters? Yeah, THOSE guys are fucking mindless zombies.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 04:40 PM (hIWe1)
you guys can sometimes be idiots, as can I. (And then again we're ALL morons here). But the Hot Air commenters? Yeah, THOSE guys are fucking mindless zombies.
Everybody has their kool-aid: Men + boobs = zombies. Women + shoes = zombies.
Posted by: katya, the preacher's wife at September 28, 2011 04:45 PM (7qKVv)
Posted by: BurtTC at September 28, 2011 05:09 PM (Gc/Qi)
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 28, 2011 07:11 PM (hIWe1)
And the constitution has never been changed right? Well except for twenty seven amendments.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 28, 2011 05:55 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: The Chap, etc. at September 28, 2011 06:35 PM (LHh1N)
Romney could probably beat Obama, but he is much worse; he is this era's Richard Nixon. Nixon, you say? Not the Watergate Nixon, but the President who supplied the bi-partisan burnish to the Welfare State, making reform nearly impossible. Elected as a "pragmatic" conservative, Nixon became president only 3 years after the advent of Medicare and Medicaid. His administration was our best opportunity to either rid ourselves of those schemes or at least reform them. Instead , he proclaimed his New Economic Policy, dramatically increased benefits to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, launched the EPA and OSHA, implemented wage and price controls and the "negative income tax", and signed the Endangered Species Act into being. He attempted to govern from the "middle" and steal the Democrat's thunder. In actuality, his hubris destroyed his presidency and made it impossible for Republicans to seriously entertain reforms to the Welfare State for a generation.
Romney is cut from the same cloth as Nixon: no firm principles, always willing to compromise or even "one-up" his political opponents by adopting their policies (Romneycare, anyone?) President Romney would attempt to find a "consensus", and in doing so, apply a bi-partisan buff to socialized healthcare and our other creaking entitlements. His timorous and technocratic approach would guarantee the destruction of the American economy as he attempts to finesse the difference between what is necessary with what is politically expedient.
Will the American electorate vote for Perry, Bachmann, Cain, or some other true conservative candidate principled enough to actually attempt what is necessary to bring the country back from the brink? I'm not confident. The voters bought into Obama's "Hope and Change" pixie-dust once, and still like him "personally." Nevertheless, it is much better to offer a clear choice rather than the Obama-lite candidate. At least there would be no doubt for posterity who caused our decline.
Posted by: JeffP at September 28, 2011 06:53 PM (k2lRA)
Posted by: Romney Sucks at September 28, 2011 07:14 PM (l52K6)
With the current field, I will stick with Perry even though I am not happy with him so far. Herman Cain is my Plan B. His biggest weakness is the lack of political experience. Otherwise, he has the right kind of experience for an executive, especially one who works from bottom up. Also he seems to be a real person. Given the current crop of politicians, political experience seems to have a bad name.
Posted by: LAI at September 28, 2011 07:29 PM (iVem0)
Why vote for Romney when he's basically Obama in slow motion? We need someone who's opposed to President Obama's agenda, not partly in agreement with it. Someone who'd reverse the damage, not stop most of it and keep some of it going, but slower. We need someone dedicated to getting government smaller and under control, not bigger and us under control.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2011 09:03 PM (r4wIV)
A big FU to all the purists out there who bashed Perry, making Willard the front runner again. Not that Perry did himself any favors in those debates.
Here is where I am - I have held my nose and voted for squishes like Dole, McCain, and both Bushes in general elections because the alternative was worse. Well, now we have Obama, and we're all living through that alternative. It's pretty damn bad - but not bad enough to make me hold my nose, betray my principles (again), and vote for Romney.
Nominating Romney would be an insult to the GOP base and a betrayal of the country. We know what needs to be done to fix things, and most of us know Romney won't do it. He's a left-leaning "Republican" who will never take a risk, and the corrupt establishment in Washington has nothing to fear from him.
If it comes right down to it, and our economy is going to be destroyed, and our freedoms further limited, I'd rather see it done under Obama than give the media a chance to blame it on conservatives with a RINO like Romney in the White House.
I've done my bit for the party and country by supporting nominees like Dole and McCain. Never again. If Romney is the nominee, I stay home on election day. Eff the party. I owe more to my country than to sell out by voting for that contemptible POS.
Posted by: DRayRaven at September 29, 2011 02:10 AM (4kYSc)
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Posted by: buzzion at September 28, 2011 02:08 PM (GULKT)