1 What a mess. 

2 Yeah, I've never seen a mess like this

3 Why not either a nation wide primary or four regional primaries? Why not attack Obastard instead of other Republicans? WTF?

4

Bachmanns been plagued by backstabbings - but for someone to leave for a nut racist windbag like Paul (okay he's not racist, really just misunderstood.....)

5 But some just continue murmuring "ideology, ideology" as they embrace one goof or freak after the next. ---- Who? As I understand it, Paul's support is coming from democrats and non-affiliates. ---- P.S. What do you guys think of Rick Santorum?

6 >>>Why not either a nation wide primary or four regional primaries? I think we need the regional primaries Idea. Next time, five or six states vote on the same day. Fuck Iowa and its emo ethanol evangelism. Do that one day, in two weeks 3-4 more vote, repeat.

7 @3
Because all this folks are just jockeying for sweeter positions in the new political hierarchy. They are petty assholes. 

8 So....we're going to see more of this type of thing in the coming months, yes?

Answer: Yes.

9 Let's face it, this government is obsolete. Video cameras and the Internet ....changed everything. We don't need them anymore.

10 Hell, Huntsman is starting to look better, and with Bill Clinton's recent endorsement on BOR's show, how can he lose?

11 >>>Bachmanns been plagued by backstabbings has she? As they say, the one constant in every failed relationship you've ever had is you. or as Nietzsche said, sort of, if all the world seems like a monster, consider that maybe the monster has been you all along.

12 Someone remind me.  Is the party platform set or does that get worked on at the convention? 

13 Sorry, re-posting from last thread: An OWSer went to the Dr. to consult about his case of Zucotti Pud. "I need a second opinion, Doc. The last guy told me the only thing I can do about it is cut it off!" "Oh, that's ridiculous," replied the physician, and the OWSer seemed quite relieved. "Just wait another week. It'll fall off all by itself."

14 How in the hell do you jump from being Bachmann's Iowa state chair to endorsing- Ron Paul? And he's a state senator?

15 Late to the party.  You've outdone yourself today, Ace.  Bravo.  Now it's time to start drinking heavily...for the rest of my life.

16 responsibility for picking a good political candidate has been shunted to a certain class of people who don't have our best interests in mind. none of the morons running for the Presidency are worthy of the position, nor would I trust any of them not to continue to fuck the nation over. most people who seek power, shouldn't have it and don't deserve it.

17 That's a cluster of fun. Jebus. I'm seriously suffering from electile dysfunction.

18 What's our Party platform, do everything we can to lose?

19 Y-not Convention.

20 This is politics. I think its been like this forever. We just have every little tidbit spread over the Internet now. But I agree. Fuck Iowa and NH. Split the states into 4 groups. Rotate them everytime. Purple fingers. Voter Ids. Closed primaries. And I get to pick all the candidates.

21 What sucks is that were looking at the possibility of r.Paul getting a prime time slot at the convention.

22 >>> Now it's time to start drinking heavily...for the rest of my life you know what makes a good chaser? A length of extension cord tied into a noose hanging over a strut in the garage.

23 Why I said several months ago why Mitt would win the nomination, he seems to have the competent staffers and organization. He isn't everything I want in a candidate, but the goofballs that seem to "rise" up for a short trip to the top all have the looney staffers that jump around at the drop of a hat.

24 or as Nietzsche said Considering the road Nietzche took us down-that's rather ironic.

25 OK, platform at the RNC site is dated 2008. 

26 >>>Split the states into 4 groups. I think many more than 4 groups. if the groups are too big then it hedges out poorly-funded candidates. The one good thing about small states is that poorer candidates have a shot.

27 If endorsing L. Ron is ideologically driven, there's something wrong with your ideology.

28 I think many more than 4 groups. if the groups are too big then it hedges out poorly-funded candidates.

Somehow I think that the folks in charge would consider that a feature and not a bug. 

29 There are all these petty little flies buzzing around the campaigns because that's where the money is. To think this clown jumped from one crazed candidate to the other, I'm sure it had nothing to do with ideology except to the extent that getting a paycheck is his ideology. Bachmann was never in this to be President, and neither is Herr Doktor Paul. Still the flies fly to the source of the smell.

30 This is the complete wiki on him: Kent Sorenson (born March 29, 1972) is an Iowa state legislator. A Republican, he was elected to the Iowa Senate in 2011 and represents District 37. Sorenson graduated from the Indianola High School in 1990 and served in the Iowa House of Representatives from 2009 to 2011, representing District 74. He is the owner and operator of Pro-Kleen Maintenance. As of October 2011, Sorenson is a member of several committees in the Iowa Senate - the Judiciary, Natural Resources and Environment, and State Government committees. He is also the ranking member of both the Senate and Joint Oversight Committees and a member of the Advisory Council for Agricultural Education, the Family Development and Self-Sufficiency Council, and the Human Rights Board. On December 28, 2011 Sorenson resigned as Michele Bachmann's Iowa campaign chairman and endorsed Ron Paul as his choice in the 2012 Iowa Caucuses and the presidency of the United States.[1] [edit]Electoral history Sorenson was first elected to the Iowa House in 2008, defeating incumbent Democrat Mark Davitt. He ran for the Senate in 2010, defeating incumbent Democrat Staci Appel. *incumbent

31 has she?

As they say, the one constant in every failed relationship you've ever had is you.

or as Nietzsche said, sort of, if all the world seems like a monster, consider that maybe the monster has been you all along.

Posted by: ace at December 28, 2011 10:20 PM (nj1bB) 

So my theory on her being "baby crazy" was true?

32 You said it, Ace.

33 I am definitely bookmarking this page and sharing it with my friends.

34 The problem with all your dysfuntional relationships is you - despair.com

35 I think many more than 4 groups. if the groups are too big then it hedges out poorly-funded candidates. The one good thing about small states is that poorer candidates have a shot. Yep, I was thinking the same thing-particularly after delving into that VA fiasco. And I use to troll here as "Iowa"...all sarcastic, nasty and "stuff".

36 I would be of the opinion that he didn't get a paycheck per se, but that Herr Doktor will be doing a "moneybomb" for him for his re-election rather soon,

37 Addicted to losing righteously? When the hell was the last time we did that in a Presidential election? Show me the last ideologue we actually nominated who was a freak and ended up costing the Presidency. I'll wait.

38 The GOP is becoming completely medieval with all the conspiracies and treachery. They need a Renaissance man like Machiavelli to help straighten this shit out.

39 And might I add you're endorsing Rick Perry, who has, in no way shown he is a serious candidate in this race. Yet voting for him is somehow a more prudent decision than voting for one of the "freaks" even though it appears that it would be a very wasted vote? Yea, ok.

40 Ah, good times.  Hey, remember this?

"Scott Rasmussen has to pay his bills," says Moran. "We understand that the RNC and NRSC have long tentacles."

Three guesses as to the campaign last year that accused Scott Rasmussen of being on the take, and the first two don't count.

41 39 - Rich wants prudent. That's so cute, considering he's a paulnut.

42 Kent Sorenson, Bachmann’s Iowa chair, defects to Paul Posted by Rachel Weiner at 09:19 PM ET, 12/28/2011 Talk about fairweather friends. Iowa state Sen. Kent Sorenson (R), who was Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann’s state campaign chairman, endorsed Texas Rep. Ron Paul Wednesday night. At a rally in Des Moines, Sorenson told the crowd, “We’re going to take Ron Paul all the way to the White House.” He did not tell Bachmann of his decision until he was en route to the Paul rally, billed as an event for veterans. “This is hard,” he said of his decision to leave Bachmann, explaining that he felt obligated to defend Paul against the Republican establishment. He elaborated in a statement, saying he felt Paul was the most conservative candidate who had a realistic shot at defeating former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Sorenson added that Paul campaigned for him during his state Senate race last year. “I thought it was my duty to come to his aid, just like he came to my aid during my Senate race, which was a very nasty race,” he said. The state lawmaker attended a Bachmann event just four hours earlier and declined to speak to the crowd, citing dental work. He was one of her earliest supporters in the state. Washington Post **** Oh I got your dental work right here_______.

43 “We stand at a fundamental crossroads for our country. You’re here because you know that in just 13 months, we’re going to make a choice that will impact our lives for decades to come … let’s not forget what it meant when my husband appointed those two brilliant Supreme Court justices … let’s not forget the impact that their decisions will have on our lives for decades to come.”

4 out of 5 justices want Heller reversed.  4 out of 5 justices think the 2nd amendment only applies to military.

Screw anyone who facilitates the re-election of that shitbag next year. 

Romney, you suck, but damn if you don't got my vote if you're what we're left with in the end.

44

Rich wants prudent. That's so cute, considering he's a paulnut.

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Really? Just going to take wild guesses are we? I've donated money to two candidates so far, and none of them are Ron Paul. Nice try though.

45 I don't like the group idea. But, this Iowa shit is lame. Better to have one or two primaries per week. Let the order be settled by lot, so the same states don't always get to go first (or last). And, closed primaries. Why let outsiders decide who the party's nominee will be?

46 What sucks is that were looking at the possibility of r.Paul getting a prime time slot at the convention. Hey, he could be our Michael Moore. Seat him in a box right next to GHWB.

47 Three guesses as to the campaign last year that accused Scott Rasmussen of being on the take, and the first two don't count.

A HEX ON YOU!

48 Ace,

You do realize the Romney is leading in both Iowa and New Hampshire right now?

Give GOP voters some credit.

49

"So we can squawk for for years about how uncorrupted by actual political responsibility or power we are, and sing pretty speeches to each other, and applaud, applaud, applaud."

A political blogger slamming the driving force behind most political blogs. Needed to be said, Ace.

50 "so addicted to Losing Righteously"...so right.

GOP on the verge of repeating Sharron Angle '10.

We got "our" candidate...even if he can't beat Reid, she's the "best".

Stupid Party.

51 36 - Yeah, I'm not sure what form the payoff takes. Could be cash, could be something else... whatever it is that motivates them. It certainly isn't ideology though.

52 Yeah, I'm not sure what form the payoff takes. Could be cash, could be something else.. Sorenson is citing "dental work".

53 Candidates who have never won state wide races are always a poor choice in a presidential primary.

Hmm, thatÂ’s Newt, Bachman and Paul.

Gov. Bob McDonnell weÂ’re, or at least I, am looking for you

54 >>>You do realize the Romney is leading in both Iowa and New Hampshire right now? That doesn't please me. I don't love Romney. Further, I would like some competition between plausible candidates. if it's Romney and Paul, then congrats, Romney is coronated. And I'll personally wave palm-fronds at his annointing. Fucking bozos seem to think Ron Paul should be in the top two or three.

55 you know what makes a good chaser? A length of extension cord tied into a noose hanging over a strut in the garage.

If Ron Paul is the nominee, I may do that.

56 I don't get the Romney folks who come here complaining. They got what they wanted, we're days away from the Iowa caucus, and the inertia is evident. Their strategy worked. Gloat if you must, but jeez, do you really expect the rest of us to be happy about it?

57 The idea of a payoff is ridiculous. You can't pay someone to support Ron Paul. They have to be crazy to begin with.

58 Politics attracts weirdos. One downside of the "march through the institutions" is the Democrats have, at an organizational level, a weirdo advantage. Universities and grad schools are so good at inculcating left-wing thought that the Dems have plenty of non-weirdo left-wingers to choose from. On the Right we can't be as choosy, so we end up with a higher % of weirdos in positions of power, running campaigns, etc, etc. Plus the media highlights our weirdos and ignores theirs. But I do think we have a somewhat higher % of weirdos in positions of power. I don't mind elected officials, I mean lower down the organization chart. Some level of weirdos is helpful to shake things ups. We seem to have exceeded that level.

59 He's secretly working for Perry. After Bachmann drops out, Perry will be the best looking candidate in the race.

60 I can't fault Bachmann for her hire, who it turns out is a dishonest dickbag. I've served on campaigns where dishonest dickbags slipped in to fuck things up. It happens all the time. But that said, if you're gonna run for the highest office in the land perhaps you don't reach out to ACME Campaign Staffers Inc. Or for fuck's sake actually get to know your team. Full disclosure: Bachmann is my rep and I would vote her into that role again every day of the week and twice on Tuesday (if I was a dirty, dirty ACORN employee).

61 Ya you can fault Bachmann for her hire-look at his damn wiki-I posted it up thread... Impressed?

62 The Iowa Primary Tradition: Putting the "high" back in "high horse."

63

On the Right we can't be as choosy, so we end up with a higher % of weirdos in positions of power, running campaigns, etc, etc.

Plus the media highlights our weirdos and ignores theirs. But I do think we have a somewhat higher % of weirdos in positions of power. I don't mind elected officials, I mean lower down the organization chart.

Some level of weirdos is helpful to shake things ups. We seem to have exceeded that level.

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Where is this coming from? A freaking marxist has been elected to the highest office in the land. A guy who fundamentally dislikes everything the United States stands for. He's one of the bigger "wierdos" we've seen, and he was elected PRESIDENT. The democrats are every bit as likely to elect a crazy person as we are.

64  When did the Republican Party, the party of "cold, calculating, rich, white businessmen", as it were, become a fucking circular firing squad?  We're going to fuck this up, and we have no one to blame but ourselves

65 She should have found an older better established individual-preferably one with the judgment to not pose for his official photo in a purple tie and shirt....

66

ace,

if Paul get coronated, it wont be Palm fronds they will be waving, all that aside I still cant believe people invited him to the debates

 

67 Romney is last kid picked for the team ... who ends up batting for the game with two outs.

We're screwed.

68 60 - I can certainly see how someone could be glad to have Bachmann as their congresscritter, but did you honestly think she had a shot at being President? And even if you entertained the idea a few months ago, sure you have known for some time that it's impossible now, right? So why is she still there?

69 Man, what a bunch of freaks.

70 >>>> Posted by: ace at December 28, 2011 10:39 PM (nj1bB)

I'm just saying that Romney is supposedly the most sensible/adult/sane choice GOP voters can make, according to our NRO betters, and GOP voters seem to be going in that direction. Some prudent, non-freakshow, instinct must be at work. I agree I'd rather their be a real race between Romney and someone, just because it would allow us to have a real debate about the future of the party.

Yeah, I can't explain the Paul thing either, except for Iowa voters possibly over-reward grassroots organizing.

We've been through this before with Robertson ('8 , Buchanan ('96), even Keyes to some degree ('00).

I think your Palin theory -- that she sucked up so much attention no one else got a chance to build a serious and sustained following -- is as plausible as any.

This year there's just a lot of confusion about who to support and I suspect Paul is benefitting.

Republicans will ultimately do the right thing.

71 Ace, quit freaking out. Michelle Bachman won no primaries. She's not leading in the polls. You have such a scorched earth policy against her, that if five percent of the party supports her, you're throwing a fit. This statement: "And some of us are so addicted to Losing Righteously " is approaching Andrew Sullivan level hissy. Conservatives have been screwed for a while, so - with no real chance of getting represented, some of us jump on less capable candidates like Bachman or Santorum.

72 > 5 P.S. What do you guys think of Rick Santorum? Posted by: Serious Cat Strange New Respect. http://t.co/bGXBAE71 Didn't know of his history of winning tough house races, didn't know he lost Senate after TWO terms, not one.

73 I'm here, I'm ready. Someone call on me, dammit!

74 I just watched Rick Perry on Greta's show. I LOVE HIM!!!! He's got my vote!

75 Christ!  What an imagination I've got!

76 You can't blame Bachmann because her co-chair cheated on her, politically, in the most flagrant manner possible.   That was just weird.

77 Looks like the co chair just has a thing for kooks

78 Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2011 10:48 PM (r2PLg) Was that Wiki available when said person was hired? Or waste info that is on there now on there then? You do know it's a fluid platform right? If she were nominated I would easily pull the lever for her over Preznit Downgrade McMarxist. But I would not vote for her in the primary. I don't think she's the best in the current crop.

79 Random Hot Chick Reposting this for you- From today's CNN Iowa poll-the pdf report- But ugh look at this from the pdf of the new-CNN poll-Iowa. **** December 21-27, 2011 Michele Bachmann would consider supporting 55% would not consider supporting 36% ***** Newt Gingrich would consider supporting 46% would not consider supporting 39% ***** Ron Paul would consider supporting 36% would not consider supporting 41% ***** Rick Perry Would consider supporting 65% Would not consider supporting 25% ***** Mitt Romney Would consider supporting 43% Would not consider supporting 31%

80 Was the info, not waste info. Stupid iPhone.

81 I maybe spent too much time as a bartender but he just looks like a douche. Sorry.

82

Paul will win Iowa. And it will mean nothing. Don't sweat it.

If I were a conspiratorial thinker, the GOP is engineering a strong showing by Paul so it can say, "All right, guys, it's serious time. We've all got to get behind Romney so we can stop Dr. Crazy." But I am not a conspiracy guy, so I think no such thing.

Yet again, I renew my call to abolish all these open primaries/caucuses. Let Republicans pick the Republican candidate, not those who are just attracted to some particular individual. (This also gets rid of Democrat saboteurs as well.) You should have to be a registered Republican for six months prior (or whatever time period might be deemed appropriate)

Incidentally, I'm off the Perry bandwagon and with Santorum (for now).

83 The Freak Show is the Anybody But Romney coalition led by the freaks at freerepublic, redstate, and bigoted pastors who have conservatives actually believing that both Bachmann and Paul are electable, better alternatives to Romney.

84 Freakin' auto correct-happens to me all the time-that's my story and I'm sticking to it!

85 Ace, quit freaking out. Michelle Bachman won no primaries. She's not leading in the polls.

I think he's freaking out about how well Paul is doing. Remember, he said he would vote for Obama over Paul, so that should give you some idea how he feels about Paul getting the nomination. Or even having any influence in the party.

86 After a speech this lady came up to me and she was crying.  She said that she was elected to congress from Minnesota.  Later, she became retarded.  True story.

87 >>>Politics attracts weirdos. >>>One downside of the "march through the institutions" is the Democrats have, at an organizational level, a weirdo advantage. Hear hear. I don't think a lot of people get this. These people are all likely weirdos and semi-criminals, and I'm looking for pillars of stability and normalcy in their lives to disprove that starting assumption.

88 The state that gave us Huckabee is about to commit a colossal fuck-up? The dickens you say!

89 Santorum--essentially Bachmann's male Gardisal twin during one of the first debates. And then there is that Dead Baby letter he wrote-that'll be flying fun in the general...oy. But hey I use to be a big Santorum fan...

90 Fuck Iowa and its emo ethanol evangelism. 

Posted by: ace at December 28, 2011 10:18 PM (nj1bB)

Clearly everyone here is drunk, because this is a wonderful turn of a phrase. I will be stealing it.

Emo ethanol evangelism.

Wow. This is worth the subscription fee all on its own.

91 Some people hear a politician speak movingly and stridently in great principles and yadda yadda and say "Wow, she believes it so fervently." And I say, "Of course she does; she's crazy."

92 Fair point about Obama, he is an odd duck. But I was talking about staff and the like, not politicians. Also I think Obama is more evil than weird, frankly. By weird I mean people who walk, talk, act in a somewhat "off" manner. So anyone who dresses well, shows up on time, is pleasant, has good manners ... isn't really weird in that sense. The OWS are a great example of the really weird left-wingers. But those pathetic bastards aren't allowed to actually run things or have important positions in campaigns. They just get asked to do some of the shit jobs occasionally. The actual power and decisions are made by the non-weirdos, the ones who take showers, and have good credit, and show up to work on time every day. I might be totally wrong. Politics requires ideological committment plus competence. My point was that the Left's control of, for example, the universities means they get a free shot at converting a pre-selected group of the competent into left-wing ideology. I do think that's an advantage.

93 Na... if you knew everyone's shit-we're all weirdos-it's just Fran in the next cubicle doesn't have the WaPo searching her trash and letting you know all about it.

94 Idiots
Out
Wandering
Around

Sorry if I offend any rational people from Iowa.

95 Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2011 10:51 PM (Gc/Qi) Exactly. I'm damn glad to have her voice and vote. The alternative in the last election was an Ed Schultz fave. He even did a show for her here that predictably had no effect. I like bomb-throwers. They capture attention. That said, bb-throwing isn't appealing to everyone. Especially independents.

96 82 - I expect Romney to win Iowa or come awfully close, then start running the table. He's in the 25% range now, but it'll probably get into the 40s soon enough, then when inevitability sets in, he'll be running essentially unopposed before Primary Season is over. It was a good strategy. My beef was and always has been he hasn't shown the least bit of interest in bringing conservatives along with him.

97 Like I always say Politicians Simulate Competence...
Now is a good time to see the 1885 version of Edge of Darkness, next to Lonesome Dove, Probably the finest TV mini series ever a British Production ..with my friend Joe Don Baker in an over the top role ...Great writing and sound track

98

I can certainly see how someone could be glad to have Bachmann as their congresscritter, but did you honestly think she had a shot at being President? And even if you entertained the idea a few months ago, sure you have known for some time that it's impossible now, right?

So why is she still there?

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If this is the argument, tell me why Rick Perry is still here? This is the thing about all of the people who have come out for Perry. They have put their fucking collective heads in the sand and have pretended that he is, in fact, doing quite well for himself. He's at the bottom of the polls. He isn't even sniffing a top 3 finish in Iowa and isn't polling all that well in South Carolina. Yet, you have yourselves convinced that while the other people who are polling like shit (bachmann and Santorum) can't win because they are polling like shit...Rick Perry can. K.

99 And I say, "Of course she does; she's crazy."

Posted by: ace at December 28, 2011 11:02 PM (nj1bB)

I'm embarrassed to say that I took Bachmann seriously for awhile.

Although...I have to give her credit: she hid the insanity for quite some time. Maybe it was just a good psycho-pharmacologist, or maybe it was the phases of the moon.

I would like to see a Bachmann -- Paul debate. That would be a show stopper, especially if they could bring props and character references.

100 too bad we ain't spending the time rethinking the size of the fed. gov't. sumthing important. and rick perry suxs ace.

101 So, it's official: after Iowa, we'll be sans Paul, Bachman , and Santorum.

102 Emo ethanol evangelism. Wow. This is worth the subscription fee all on its own. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 28, 2011 11:02 PM (nEUpB) Sycophancy is its own reward.

103 Clubber You should read Whittaker Chambers -Witness.

104 And can we stop with the Bachmann is insane stuff? I'd bet the majority of people who visit this website would prefer her voting record over their own congressman's voting record, myself included.

105 And, the first primary that counts is S. Carolina.

106 Finally, Ace gets it.

Time to tell Rush, Torquemada, et al, and all those who demand idealogical purity to shut up and sit down.

107 What's with all this nonsense. Here's the only three issues that matter: 1. Are either of them from New England. No 2. Are either of them Mormon. No 3. Are either of them wealthy capitalists. No Then they are both fine candidates, real conservatives who will surely trounce Obama. Anybody But Romney!!!

108 I love myself

109

Time to tell Rush, Torquemada, et al, and all those who demand idealogical purity to shut up and sit down.

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Lol. Have you not noticed Ace isn't to fond of Romney...because of, you know, ideology. Have you also noticed Rush isn't to fond of Ron Paul either because he also thinks Paul is crazy?

110 104# Did not Bolton say A can of OJ could beat Broke Rock yo Mama? Ah the fog of the Republic...

111 Posted by: bergerbilder at December 28, 2011 11:09 PM (j+Izh)

Well, at least you spelled sycophancy correctly.

112 98 - You're arguing with someone else, Rich. Not me. I will vote for Perry when the time comes, if he's still there, but I'm certain Romney will be the nominee. I wanted to see movement in Perry's numbers to at least have started by now. They haven't, which means they won't. So we get Romney. Fine. I'm still not going to vote for him before November, and I'm not going to mince words when it comes to criticizing him before then.

113

1. Are either of them from New England. No
2. Are either of them Mormon. No
3. Are either of them wealthy capitalists. No

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What a joke. So sick of this mormon nonsense. No one gives a care about his mormonism.

It's funny the Romney people always forget the most important one: 4. Are either of them actually conservative? Yes.

114

And if Romney loses to Obama, what will be the reason?

"Not moderate enough"?

Hey, maybe the Republicans should nominate Obama. That way they'll win for sure!

115 And I say, "Of course she does; she's crazy." Posted by: ace at December 28, 2011 11:02 PM (nj1bB) Aside from the Gardasil bullshit that was IMHO an ill-advised primary tactic, why do you consider her crazy? Crazy is a pretty strong word. I know Tardasil is a pretty popular meme and all, along with the whole leftist-tinged Crazy-Eyes meme. But crazy? Granted, anyone that runs for office these days has got to be a bit tetched in the first place.

116 Ladies, the time has come. We can no longer afford big brother taking care of you. Buck up.

117 <sub><sup>92 Fair point about Obama, he is an odd duck. But I was talking about staff and the like, not politicians. Also I think Obama is more evil than weird, frankly.

By weird I mean people who walk, talk, act in a somewhat "off" manner. So anyone who dresses well, shows up on time, is pleasant, has good manners ... isn't really weird in that sense.

The OWS are a great example of the really weird left-wingers. But those pathetic bastards aren't allowed to actually run things or have important positions in campaigns. They just get asked to do some of the shit jobs occasionally.

The actual power and decisions are made by the non-weirdos, the ones who take showers, and have good credit, and show up to work on time every day.

I might be totally wrong. Politics requires ideological committment plus competence. My point was that the Left's control of, for example, the universities means they get a free shot at converting a pre-selected group of the competent into left-wing ideology. I do think that's an advantage.</sup></sub>

_{^{Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 28, 2011 11:04 PM (QcFbt)}}

Many years ago when I was a Democrat, and quite well placed, I can tell you with a certainty that the loons are the ones that call the shots in the Dem party. They just have the clean cut guys/gals like me be the "face" of the party.

Plus, the media makes sure that you don't hear them, but sometimes the media does screw up and interviews one of them live on an election night. Let's just say the other moonbats were quite happy with what they say, but the media makes sure to get the more "sane" people on afterwards, even though the sane looking ones agree with the moonbats more than what is coming out of their mouths.

Full disclosure, I was a Dem up until 1995, not because I agreed with them, but to do business in Virginia, you needed to be a Democrat. Much like Rick Perry was in Texas.

118 Posted by: Rich at December 28, 2011 11:11 PM (4rXvg)

Undoubtedly. But I find very little wrong with a crazy congressman (how much damage can one congressman do?), and quite a bit wrong with a presidential candidate who is bat-shit crazy. The small difference of a national stage is just the beginning.

119 >>> And can we stop with the Bachmann is insane stuff? I'd bet the majority of people who visit this website would prefer her voting record over their own congressman's voting record, myself included. Ideology, ideology, ideology. Who cares if she seems little off? And has a marriage made for Lifetime?

120 I like Bachmann and am glad she's in Congress. I even liked having her voice in the primary. I don't want her as President, though. I like Paul as a House rep in Congress, too. The main complaints about her (she might be making things up) seem to be really common behaviors in women. In my experience a near majority of women go kinda crazy at times, so Bachmann's stuff doesn't seem that abnormal to me. I have a lot more problems with Ron Paul. But only hate him in proportion to how close he gets to the Presidency. I like him when he's just a House rep.

121 ...and has never done anything except give fucking speeches to highly-supportive audiences? no no no please stop applauding (no keep going ) no please stop (little more)

122 a marriage made for Lifetime? Hilarious!

123 I <3 attention whores.

124 Posted by: Bobby Ahr at December 28, 2011 11:12 PM (V1ASr) Sit down and shut up. Please.

125 Time to tell Rush, Torquemada, et al, and all those who demand idealogical purity to shut up and sit down. Posted by: Bobby Ahr at December 28, 2011 11:12 PM (V1ASr) Ah, the frantic straw man of the Romney suckers of cock.

126 ...and has never done anything except give fucking speeches to highly-supportive audiences? Kinda like Sarah Palin.

127

Aside from the Gardasil bullshit that was IMHO an ill-advised primary tactic, why do you consider her crazy? Crazy is a pretty strong word. I know Tardasil is a pretty popular meme and all, along with the whole leftist-tinged Crazy-Eyes meme.

But crazy?

Granted, anyone that runs for office these days has got to be a bit tetched in the first place.

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Yea I don't get this either. She's had bad moments in the primary. She likely isn't going to win a single state, and will most likely drop out next month or soon thereafter. But why the need to call the woman crazy because of one bad moment? She's clearly distinguished her own foreign policy beliefs with Ron Paul's.

128 >>>I like Bachmann and am glad she's in Congress. I don't mind her in Congress either but who told her that she had to be President? Oh, right: Jesus did. No, seriously.

129

"Who cares if she seems little off? And has a marriage made for Lifetime?"

Bachmann, aka a religous nut that wants to cram her beliefs down our throats?

 No thank you maam.

130

Where is the Republican Obama, the Manchurian candidate who seemingly didn't exist until three years before the election?

Can't we just find some state legislator in Idaho or somewhere that has never done anything?

It seems that's what America wants.

131 Thomas Sowell endorsed Newt? Huh.

132 38 The GOP is becoming completely medieval with all the conspiracies and treachery. They need a Renaissance man like Machiavelli to help straighten this shit out.

Sheesh.  You think I'm getting involved with this.  You people are sickening.

133

...and has never done anything except give fucking speeches to highly-supportive audiences?

no no no please stop applauding (no keep going ) no please stop (little more)

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Was I asleep or has she not been a member of the House for the last 5 years now? Has her voting record not been conservative? Exactly what more do you want from a member of congress, chief?

134 Remember, anyone who can memorize ten or twelve conservative talking points is qualified to be chief executive of the united states and commander and chief of her armed forces. You don't need any other experience, because, Populism! Everyone's equal in all ways!!!

135 Thomas Sowell endorsed Newt? Huh. Weird.

136 Happy birthday, Elvis!

137
has she?

As they say, the one constant in every failed relationship you've ever had is you.

or as Nietzsche said, sort of, if all the world seems like a monster, consider that maybe the monster has been you all along.

Posted by: ace at December 28, 2011 10:20 PM (nj1bB)

Or to put it in proper moron terms: If it seems like everyone you meet is an asshole, you're the asshole.

138 Barack Obama is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure. You're welcome.

139 I see this thread has been taken over by the Gardisil Gang.

140 I'm hoping things get serious after Iowa. At least people will drop out then.

141 121 ...and has never done anything except give fucking speeches to highly-supportive audiences? I'll see that and raise you a "not really accomplished much legislatively, speaking". Crazy though, I don't think so.

142 Thomas Sowell- If Newt Gingrich were being nominated for sainthood, many of us would vote very differently from the way we would vote if he were being nominated for a political office. What the media call Gingrich's "baggage" concerns largely his personal life and the fact that he made a lot of money running a consulting firm after he left Congress. This kind of stuff makes lots of talking points that we will no doubt hear, again and again, over the next weeks and months. But how much weight should we give to this stuff when we are talking about the future of a nation? ***** The Liberal media sets the agenda-they will never let go of this bone-and it's the one thing everyone can opine upon-everyone thinks they are an expert on sex. It's why those stories literally have "legs" that keep going and going... I can't read the rest of it.

143

Remember, anyone who can memorize ten or twelve conservative talking points is qualified to be chief executive of the united states and commander and chief of her armed forces.

You don't need any other experience, because, Populism! Everyone's equal in all ways!!!

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Populism? Yes, because people are absolutely flocking to Michelle Bachmann..oh wait, no, no they aren't. I mean, you're crusade against Bachmann would make some sense if she were actually in the running, but she isn't.

144 I believe religious nuts (personal God believers) should not be allowed to run for president.

145 Romney's going to waltz to the nomination. Good.

146 blame Iowa.

147
What a flustercluck.  Just think about the candidates that could have walked away with the nomination easily.  Some people said Rubio was too young and inexperienced.  Hell, I would kill for that right now.  Pence not going for it was my personal bummer.  Ryan, I'd take that too, he's getting the slings and arrows anyway.  DeMint, dude where are you?

We're boned.

148 Gingrich ran a lobbying firm. I don't know how much weight to give that because i might have to vote for the guy.

149 Well...next to Virginia...

150 Ace, I happen to think Bachmann got in this race because somebody decided we needed a conservative female with no actual chance of winning in the race, but I'm not ready to chop off her head for the crime of being a stalking horse.

151 >>>I might prefer a friend to share my politics, but at day's end, my fondness for him as a person trumps political considerations This is one of the keys for being an effective person. Almost everyone I know is extremely liberal, but many of them are amazing people. To be perfectly blunt, none of them are rocket scientists, but that goes double for me, so whats the diff? I know many libs that I would not hesitate to call in a crisis and I know they would be at my door in five minutes.

152

Ladies

We can no longer afford to pander to your fears

Buck up

153 That's the spirit. The stupid, self-flattering, cock-waving spirit of someone drunk on his own *self-estimated* virtue.

154 I've got a little rule: Cranks who actually attempt to speak in Action Movie Dialogue, casting themselves as Political Heroes in a Dramatic Political Action Movie, are fucked in the head, and aren't in this for politics, but working out their own power fantasies vicariously through other people they have chosen as avatars in their silly shadow-plays.

155 Romney will win Iowa.

156 At least people will drop out then.

Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 11:24 PM (zLeKL)

Wanna bet?

Some of these dolts want to be President SO BADLY, they can't/won't take "no, not just no but hell no, now get the f*ck out of my face" for an answer.

157 Mitt was too busy pandering to admit it, but I'll echo Newt: I'll vote for Obama over Paul. For that matter, I'll vote for Al Gore, John Kerry, and Ralph Nader over Ron Paul. Fuck Ron Paul and his supporters up the ass with a giant barbed cock.

158 Good points MrCainiac, I could easily be wrong. Perhaps over-generalizing from my own experience. I have a step-relative who is a big left-winger. She's also manic-depressive. She has tried to get involved in Democrat politics. But she's totally failed to move up beyond the put up sign and man the phone banks crap jobs. And that's because she can't keep her shit together long enough to fool people into thinking she's normal and reliable. Because, you know, she isn't. The best she can do is seem quirky. But she's always just a bad night away from showing up the next day unshowered in the same clothes, or just flaking out on a promise. When I was younger (and liberal-ish) she convinced me to help on a Dem house campaign. It was a long-shot, the incumbent Repub was well-financed. Yeah, there were a lot of spastics and weirdos working the phone banks and knocking on doors. But you know who was running things? This very competent set of 20-something Yale grads. Making their bones in the party, I guess, by taking on this long shot no-hope candidacy. The Yalies were smart, clean-cut, and competent. They did a decent job given the limited resources they had. They lost, but there was minimal hope of winning. They weren't wild-eyed or crazy in any way. I didn't talk to them much, so I don't really know why or how they ended up running this campaign. They seemed to be doing it mainly to get experience. It was their first time in charge. The Dems seem to have more people like that to run things behind the scenes. I could be totally wrong, but that's the impression I get.

159 153 That's the spirit. The stupid, self-flattering, cock-waving spirit of someone drunk on his own *self-estimated* virtue. Posted by: ace at December 28, 2011 11:32 PM (nj1bB) We're the ones we've been waiting for.

160 147 What a flustercluck. Just think about the candidates that could have walked away with the nomination easily. Some people said Rubio was too young and inexperienced. Hell, I would kill for that right now. Pence not going for it was my personal bummer. Ryan, I'd take that too, he's getting the slings and arrows anyway. DeMint, dude where are you? We're boned. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 28, 2011 11:27 PM (JYheX) ___ Nobody told those guys they couldnt run. They didnt want to run. Its a nasty endeavor. It takes a lot of fortitude, desire, money, and a willingness to subject yourself and your family to hell. Perry got in late, when the coast looked clear and he thought he could cruise. Newt likes running his backbench style that is heavy on media and poor on the nitty gritty of fundraising and retail politicing. I give Bachmann, Santorum along with Romney credit for having the guts to run a long, tough campaign.

161

Where is the Republican Obama, the Manchurian candidate who seemingly didn't exist until three years before the election?

Can't we just find some state legislator in Idaho or somewhere that has never done anything?

It seems that's what America wants.

Posted by: Jingo95 at December 28, 2011 11:20 PM (mdwWR)

We did.  Unfortunately we forgot about the complimentary media anal exam given all GOP candidates.

162 Well one thing the Dems don't seem to value losing as much as we do.

163 >>>I've got a little rule: Cranks who actually attempt to speak in Action Movie Dialogue, ace, I can't find the post, what is this in reference to? [/interested and not being a hipster dick at all]

164 _{^{Kinda like Sarah Palin.}}

_{^{Posted by: Joffen at December 28, 2011 11:18 PM (zLeKL)}}

Shit, I was never in this thread cause once that dog whistle is blown, all bets are off.

165 It may be time to tell the GOP to screw itself and to fall in behind Gary Johnson and the Libertarians.

166 Bachmann just referred to herself as "The Iron Lady".

167 No, I did not call myself "The Iron Lady."  You dolt.  Get it right.  It's "The Iron Maiden."

168 Bachmann-she's going to be like the Iron Lady and Reagan. It's on some video today.

169 God help us all. Except for those one-tenth-of- one-percenters of which Kevin Williamson writes today. God damn them all. We're on the slippery slope, and won't stop.

170 And can we stop with the Bachmann is insane stuff? I'd bet the majority of people who visit this website would prefer her voting record over their own congressman's voting record, myself included.

Posted by: Rich at December 28, 2011 11:11 PM (4rXvg)

I don't think Bachmann is crazy. Ron Paul is bat-shit crazy, but Michelle Bachman is most assuredly NOT crazy. I do think, however, that she has been poorly advised at best, or has steadfastly refused to listen to her advisers at worst. Some of the things she has said in public, especially during debates, suggest that she hasn't surrounded herself with terribly media-savvy people; while I do find that basically refreshing, it hasn't done her any favors as far as getting her message across.

171 Doesn't this post pretty much just endorse Romney?

Say what you will about him being a moderate Republican, but he's honestly the only candidate running that's got his shit together.  The rest of this field has issues with something as basic as getting their name on the ballot.

172 >>>Cranks who actually attempt to speak in Action Movie Dialogue, There's is no post. There's just a percentage of people who think they are John McClane in the Nakatomi Towers, and they prove their manliness by their political positions and tough-guy dialogue.

173 Palin actually had a pretty impressive C.V. pre-post 2008 election.  Not a presidential C.V. perhaps, but it's not like all she ever did was give speeches.

174 Well Michelle at first I was surprised you didn't call yourself - The Maid of Minnesota- a sorta Joan of Arc for the Obama Century!

175 167 Bachmann just referred to herself as "The Iron Lady". Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2011 11:41 PM (r2PLg) I always pictured her carrying my clubs.

176
Oh, I am not saying anybody should have ran, I am saying damn that they didn't.  On the other hand, I think just about anybody that would subject themselves to a campaign is more than likely a little bit nuts and get the wary eye from me just for throwing their hat in the ring.  I see no Mr. Smith's going to DC ever again.

I would like the little bit nutsy guy to be my kind of nut just once in my lifetime though.

177 I'm just going to flip over sidewards to another Universe where Ron Paul is NOT leading in the polls and maybe some other dude whose not a SCOAMF is. If we all look to the side...Just look to the side and thenBAMMMM!! diff erent Universe A c r o s s o v e r zrrrrrrp

178 Oh you mean commenters.

179 Was I asleep or has she not been a member of the House for the last 5 years now? Has her voting record not been conservative? Exactly what more do you want from a member of congress, chief? Posted by: Rich at December 28, 2011 11:21 PM (4rXvg) Rich, Ace is trying to convert the heathens in NYC to Conservatism. He knows he has to spoon feed them, a little at a time, or they'll run back shrieking into the urban jungle. The religiosity is especially bitter tasting, as it may requires that you also change the way you live, and not just the way that you think and vote. He's saving this for last.

180 Ladies, you have pushed the populace so far right, they are leaning left.

181 I always pictured her carrying my clubs. Posted by: King Putt at December 28, 2011 11:45 PM ***** LOL! I guess Reggie carries your woods.

182 Bachmann-she's going to be like the Iron Lady and Reagan.

It's on some video today.

Tammy Faye Bakker and Pat Robertson seems a more appropriate allusion, somehow.

183

What a prick.  If this guy is so beholding to Ronpaulstiltskin, why didn't he jump on the Paulship at takeoff?  I'm not a fan of teh Bachmann, but what an opportunistic jerk.

184 I will win Iowa

185 158 - I've met these types too. They really believe in the cause, have their sheepskins from the right universities, and are put in positions of "power" working on various campaigns around the country. I knew a young woman who was here about 2 years ago, working on a campaign that the Republicans were sure they could win. She told me the numbers were as solid on this guy as they were on any she'd seen before, but she couldn't understand why because he was about the worst candidate she'd ever met. The numbers were right. It was a close race, but he won. Largely due to the efforts of people like her. I assume they crank them out by the bucketload in those types of universities.

186 Pat Buchanan has a good line on this: "Every great movement begins as a cause, eventually becomes a business, then degenerates into a racket." And I'm not throwing that as an epithet at conservatives - it's equally true across the spectrum, IMHO. But speaking of Buchanan, I was under the impression that a certain strain of conservatism was the belief that the "absence of ideology" is desirable, as ideology leads "true believers" to all manner of wrong-headed things in service of the One Great Idea. Is it possible that, for **some** (as in, most likely not the readers of this blog), conservatism itself is becoming an ideology in the negative sense, and that's what leads to some of the shadier characters who show up, say the 10 Right Things to gain the support of the "true believers", and then wait for power and money to flow to them?

187 We'll remember this, Ace.

188 I just don't mind crazy in House reps. And the whole, "God told me to run" I don't think is a marker of craziness. It's fairly normal for a large chunk of evangelicals to talk in those terms. When I hear evangelical athletes talk about God and Jesus I don't think they are crazy -- especially when it's an athlete who lives their life in a rigorously scheduled, reliable manner -- I just sort of take it as something people in that community say. Maybe I've known too many actual crazy people, but when I see someone behave responsibly - clean, showered, shows up for work, does what they say they will do, reliable, etc, etc - even if they say something that might sound a bit crazy to me, I judge them more by their actions. I think "organic" food is stupid. I think it's literally delusional to believe it has any health benefit at all. Yet most of the responsible, liberal women I know are big believers in this "organic" nonsense. I don't write them off as some crazy bitch because of this. I just think this is what women from that community (upper-middle class white liberal chicks) say. It's almost exactly like lots of god talk from other groups.

189

Ladies, we are tired of your police, your fat cats, and paying for a defense we can not afford.

Time to live free and pay some bills

190 Your either a leadership type, where the perks are pretty good, your election is generally guaranteed and, frankly, the path to the White House is far too difficult to attain.

And, if you really aspire to higher office, you can always take a run at the Senate.

191 Clubber,

You are right about the "clean cut" people being in charge of everything in the campaign. Those are the middle managers and have to be competent, not ideological. That is what I was. (not to toot my horn). The "inner circle" was usually made up of the moonbat types because the moonbats have the connections with the other moonbat organizations. They have control over the party apparatus, but know to put up candidates like Mark Warner and Bill Clinton that have a kind of "aw shucks" demeanor that disarms people.

Back in the 60's when my dad was the local D party chairman, the hippies decided they were going to come to a meeting and try to take it over. They held all kinds of votes and acted like they had taken over the party. My dad reminded them that none of this was on the agenda and so the votes didn't count. The state party backed him, and the hippies didn't come back for years, but now. Now they control it, big time. To this day, some of those people hate me because of it, and a lot of old time Dems tell me how much they liked my dad for following the rules. Keep in mind, these are old southern Dems who couldn't go to an Obama rally here because their knee replacement meant that they had to be on the golf course that day.

192 Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at December 28, 2011 11:50 PM (ZiYQG) ___ Yes. But that is too deep. Lets just stick to calling people retards and cocksuckers.

193 192 - Bingo! Honestly, I have no idea, but it's a pretty good guess that this is what Bachmann is shooting for. She got her name recognition, she did an effective job of getting under Rick Perry's skin, keeping him from gaining any traction. If she's got a reward coming, it'll come in the form of all the support she needs for her Senate run. Or not. Heck, I don't know.

194 This wont go over well here, but I dont think there is much separation between Bachmann and Perry. Both specialize in repetitious sloganeering.

195 Bloody hell.

Those of us with sense and values let the nuts and sleazes handle day-to-day operations for so long that, now that it really matters, we're utterly screwed.

196

I want to say here and now, I love God as much as the next con.

Don't be frightened

197 @194 - LOL, truly. That's one thing I haven't done yet. Maybe I'm doing this wrong.

198

Bingo! Honestly, I have no idea, but it's a pretty good guess that this is what Bachmann is shooting for. She got her name recognition, she did an effective job of getting under Rick Perry's skin, keeping him from gaining any traction. If she's got a reward coming, it'll come in the form of all the support she needs for her Senate run.

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I desperately want to vote for Rick Perry but I will not throw my vote away when my state gets to vote in the primaries and most likely Rick Perry will not be a contender by that point. However, Rick Perry kept Rick Perry from gaining any traction. He came in with all of the momentum in the world and was COMPLETELY unprepared to debate in any effective manner. And this went on for quite a few debates. This not anyone's doing but his own.

199

This wont go over well here, but I dont think there is much separation between Bachmann and Perry.

Both specialize in repetitious sloganeering.

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Sssshhh. You're not supposed to tell them this.

200 189 There is a reason no member of the House of Representatives has gone from that office to the Presidency since Garfield. Your either a leadership type, where the perks are pretty good, your election is generally guaranteed and, frankly, the path to the White House is far too difficult to attain. Or, you are a back bencher who gets noticed by throwing fire balls. Which is what Bachmann is. The trouble is, once you become a fire baller, it is hard to stop. Throwing out the red meat gets you noticed and, pretty soon, its the only trick you have.

Bachmann is a one-trick pony.

That actually seems like an astute analysis. Much better than my "maybe she was menstruating during the Tardasil episode" idea.

201 Ladies, Im going to take you so far right, you will see left.

202

That actually seems like an astute analysis. Much better than my "maybe she was menstruating during the Tardasil episode" idea.

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What about the "she is just bat-shit crazy" idea? Does that work?

203 Listen, I majored in Medieval Finance at Modesto Jr. College and I think ron Paul has great ideas! I plan on joining his campaign as soon as I finish my masters degree in puppetry from William & Mary.

204 Don't look at us. But do buy a CD to thank us cause you won't need to worry who wins. 

205 Who The Hell You Calling Mayans?

206 At least Iowa hardly ever counts in choosing the eventual nominee. People will drop out after this. Santorum definitely and Bachmann probably. Paul won't last much longer. *sigh* Can't wait.

207 201 - I can't account for Perry's poor performances, but it was evident that there was some reason why she and Santorum tagged up with Mitt to attack Perry in those early debates. Surely it wasn't ideological. Like I've been saying, Romney has run an effective campaign, and if Bachmann was in his employ, he got his money's worth, whatever it was he paid/will pay her.

208

. Paul won't last much longer. *sigh* Can't wait.

 

Suck me

209 This wont go over well here, but I dont think there is much separation between Bachmann and Perry. Both specialize in repetitious sloganeering. That's a really uninformed statement. Perry has the most executive experience of all the candidates. But that doesn't matter, I guess.

210 208 Inca-dinka-do!

211

Rich at December 29, 2011 12:04 AM (4rXvg)

 

damn are you a stupid fucknut or waht?? cause he messed up a little in debates you write him off? he's rock fucking solid on the issues and a superb governor and leader. idiots like you should be allowed to vote, go pick your next vanity candidate dickwad.

212 Shouldnt be allowed to vote is what i meant rich you doucebag

213 >>>This wont go over well here, but I dont think there is much separation between Bachmann and Perry. I couple months ago I would have leaped up to slit your throat, but now? Ehhh..I'm open to suggestions. (still think you are wrong, though)

214 damn are you a stupid fucknut or waht?? cause he messed up a little in debates you write him off? he's rock fucking solid on the issues and a superb governor and leader. idiots like you should be allowed to vote, go pick your next vanity candidate dickwad. ---- My thoughts exactly, but I don't have the vocabulary.

215 Tomorrow my campaign will announce a no-fly zone over Syria that will effectively neutralize the territorial ambitions of both Paul and Bachmann.

216

damn are you a stupid fucknut or waht?? cause he messed up a little in debates you write him off? he's rock fucking solid on the issues and a superb governor and leader. idiots like you should be allowed to vote, go pick your next vanity candidate dickwad.

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Yea, this was an intelligent post. Re-read the first fucking line and try again. Did I, or did I not say "I desperately want to vote for Rick Perry."

217 Ladies, I will win, and win big

218 Freakshow indeed; this website is now on my must read list, because watching Ace combust over Ron Paul is the best show on the internet! Gooooooo Ace! (Actual photo of Ace after reading latest poll: http://i43.tinypic.com/25utruv.jpg)

219

^{That actually seems like an astute analysis. Much better than my "maybe she was menstruating during the Tardasil episode" idea.}

^{Posted by: Splunge at December 29, 2011 12:06 AM (2IW5Q)}

Yeah, my "Baby Crazy" theory doesn't seem to be holding water anymore.

220

My thoughts exactly, but I don't have the vocabulary.

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So pointing out that Rick Perry was unprepared for the debates when he entered the race and probably cost himself the nomination makes me the bad guy? Perryistas? I mean, can you see the polls? Is what I'm saying not true? Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't make it so. He fucked himself in those debates, and he has no one to blame but himself.

221 but it was evident that there was some reason why she and Santorum tagged up with Mitt to attack Perry in those early debates. Surely it wasn't ideological. Like I've been saying, Romney has run an effective campaign, and if Bachmann was in his employ, he got his money's worth, whatever it was he paid/will pay her. **** The insane thing is people more upset about a mandate for Gardisal as opposed to an all encompassing mandate for healthcare. Explain Michelle Malkin's dispensation to Romney on RomneyCare while going bat shit about Gardisal.

222 "(Actual photo of Ace after reading latest poll: http://i43.tinypic.com/25utruv.jpg)"

LOL

223 Why blame Iowa?

Bachmann hired the notorious backstabber Ed Rollins in the first place, and her South Carolina spokesman who claimed Gingrich was buying the Tea Party support is Wes Donohue, one of the Will Folks/Larry Marchant/Andre Bauer Smear Machine which tried to claim illicit sex with Nikki Haley (as if any of the losers could get free sex with anyone but each other anyway).

So you are telling me that the woman who hired those two miscreants hired some guy who deserted her sinking ship as if it is some sort of news?  She obviously doesn't have a high ethical standard for employees.

And as far as the "bribery" claim, put that in with the pack of lies Bachmann's been selling all along.  Why would Paul, crazy as he is, pay someone to leave a bottom-tier candidate a few days before the Caucuses?  It makes much more sense that the guy is leaving like a rat deserts a sinking ship, since the Ron Paul/Libertarian organization is strong in Iowa and he is a controversial state senator.

Besides, Iowa isn't very predictive of the eventual nominee.  Their main function is to protect ethanol subsidies, and I think only Gingrich has endorsed those this time around (maybe the others kept it quiet, but I don't see how in the internet age).

At least see the results before taking the keys.  It is just polite, like a jury bothering to leave the room before returning the guilty verdict.

224 Is it fair to say that if Mitt becomes the nominee we are officially no better than Obama voters? If Mitt is it, Republican voters will have shown that all they care about is someone who can campaign effectively, even if it's a bad candidate. How many moderates overlooked Obama's shitty background and voted for him anyway. Yeah, is that gonna be us in a few months?

225 I does like my cons, dats why I am voting for Ron.

226 Seriously, I've long wondered why the Moron Horde, especially Ace, tolerated Bachmann at all. All she did was go up there in the debates and absolutely assassinate Rick Perry and Tim Pawlenty, amirite? She put a hurt on Gingrich as well, but man, she really unloaded on Perry and T-Paw. And Romney got a pass from her practically the whole way. How come no one really attacked her frontally?

227 229: Don't know how long you've been here, but ace has been a fairly steady supporter of Perry ever since he announced. When Bachmann went after Perry, ace and others (myself included) defended Perry the whole time. Bachmann's dumb attacks on Perry were hardly tolerated.

228

Is it fair to say that if Mitt becomes the nominee we are officially no better than Obama voters? If Mitt is it, Republican voters will have shown that all they care about is someone who can campaign effectively, even if it's a bad candidate. How many moderates overlooked Obama's shitty background and voted for him anyway. Yeah, is that gonna be us in a few months?

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Yes. Now why you lumped me in with these people by agreeing with that guy's post is beyond me. I don't want Mitt to win. I would like Perry to win. But me hoping Perry wins isn't going to make Perry win. The Republican Party seems to not like someone if they look really stupid for a few seconds in a debate, despite a decent record and strong experience. That isn't my decision, but it's a decision I have to live with. And by the time I will be able to vote, Rick Perry won't be a choice or will, at best, be a token choice. So I'll be left with Romney, Paul, and Newt and will have to make a choice of the lesser of evils. Now out of those three, who am I supposed to vote for that is A. conservative and B. can win? I'm not seeing that guy there.

229 Message to all fundy trash Zio-hicks:

Every time you open your hurp-durping jew worshipping mouth, Ron Paul is going to take a big nasty stinky s.h.i.t. in it.

Get used to it.

Learn to shut up and appreciate the distinction between Christ the Savior and Israel the nation-state.

It ain't hard if you pay attention.

You attack us, we get stronger.  Any questions?

230 especially Ace

We are still talking about shit, and Ace has not yet decided to jump from the top of the fence. He is a little like Tom. He wants it all ways

231 @Rich, that was a sarcastic swipe at chas.

232

@Rich, that was a sarcastic swipe at chas

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Sorry. Can sometimes be hard to tell on the netz.

233 @Joffen - Hey man. I know Ace is down with Perry and I saw some of those threads (liquid whore!), but I mean, it doesn't seem to me like there was ever any sustained oppo drop on her (like what happened to Romney, and Gingrich, and now Paul). It was all defense against Tardasil. Is it just that her voting record is so pristine, she's invulnerable to any kind of attack, other than, she's nuts? Is she really that squeaky clean?

234 @Rich, of course. No worries. chas is a stupid troll.

235

 Message to all fundy trash Zio-hicks:

Every time you open your hurp-durping jew worshipping mouth, Ron Paul is going to take a big nasty stinky s.h.i.t. in it.

Get used to it.

Learn to shut up and appreciate the distinction between Christ the Savior and Israel the nation-state.

It ain't hard if you pay attention.

You attack us, we get stronger.  Any questions?

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Not sure if serious? The post seems fairly authentic, but then choosing the name of a mentally handi-capped child makes me wonder if you're trying to be sarcastic?

236 And some of us are so addicted to Losing Righteously we're pretty much dead-set on doing so. So we can squawk for for years about how uncorrupted by actual political responsibility or power we are, and sing pretty speeches to each other, and applaud, applaud, applaud.

Well well well. Never miss an opportunity to stab at thine foe? We could sit here and talk all night about right wingers who are unelectable due to problems getting the support of the middle, and, drone on for hours about the compromises of the moderate squishes that have led us to the brink of ruin. And we will still be in the exact same spot we are right now. Those whom are electable without heroic efforts lack the political courage to do the necessary, those with political courage, are either confounded amateurs, or hacks, who cannot build a consensus from the middle.

Though I did not support Bachmann because I did not think she was up for the challenge of a Presidential campaign, (And her failure to limit her exposure to the most brazen backstabbing at the national level that I can readily remember is probably QED to that point) I lean toward making a bigger bet than a smaller one at this stage of the game. We are out of time; The moderates have done nothing but betray this cause over and over again, not just ignoring issues, but making them worse, and leading us closer to the edge, albeit at a slightly slower pace than the left. I see nothing in their chemistry which suggests they would stop that path now.

You talk about winning an election as if (R) makes a difference. If we don't get an (R) that can really make a difference, then this whole dog and pony show is a waste of time. I would be nicer to the feelings of those Bachmann supporters clawing at the knives in their backs, you will likely be trying to convince them that Perry is good enough to make the difference very shortly.

Just think. Not a single primary vote has been cast. It is shaping up to be an interesting 2012; I think the year needs it's own drink already, call it a Mayan Calander with an Econogeddon chaser. The chaser is easy JW Blue. Just have to work on the rest.

237

@Joffen - Hey man. I know Ace is down with Perry and I saw some of those threads (liquid whore!), but I mean, it doesn't seem to me like there was ever any sustained oppo drop on her (like what happened to Romney, and Gingrich, and now Paul). It was all defense against Tardasil. Is it just that her voting record is so pristine, she's invulnerable to any kind of attack, other than, she's nuts? Is she really that squeaky clean?

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You don't oppo dump on someone polling at 6%. It's a waste of resources and will really only serve to help her out. By the time she started swiping at Perry, all of her momentum had been drained by Perry's getting in the race.

238 230 - Not entirely true. Ace started wavering, then was ready to jump ship with the "heartless" comment. Frankly, I thought Perry was right. He wasn't pointing at anyone but those people on the stage who were going after him in a petty and disingenuous way, and he called them out on it. But everyone who disagreed with him on his in-state tuition policy (there's a tip top national issue right there, surely) took it personally and assumed he was attacking them directly. That was Bachmann's and Santorum's doing. The attacked, he pushed back and in hindsight it was a huge mistake, but I was hoping voters would let it go. They didn't. That's not really Perry's fault. And it's not his fault that he sounds too much like George Bush for a lot of people's taste. Oh well.

239 Is it just that her voting record is so pristine, she's invulnerable to any kind of attack, other than, she's nuts? Is she really that squeaky clean? --- Hell no. There were plenty of posts attacking Bachmann. Her record ain't squeaky clean at all. We've attacked her on the fact that she's like Ron Paul: barely anything accomplished in Congress. We've attacked her on her stupid Tardasil claims. Yeah, we flirted with her for about 15 seconds in the spring, but she's done.

240 I hereby ordain, that Ron Paul will be the next president

241 damn are you a stupid fucknut or waht?? cause he messed up a little in debates you write him off? he's rock fucking solid on the issues and a superb governor and leader. idiots like you should be allowed to vote, go pick your next vanity candidate dickwad.

A little? When asked about his own fucking plan to eliminate 3 departments of the federal government he spent 54 seconds bumbling and stuttering around while he tried to name the 3rd department. He finally just gave up and admitted he couldn't remember which department that was he wanted to do away with.

Can you imagine the headlines around here if it was anybody else who turned in such a horrible performance? For a real adventure, imagine that it was Palin. The main page and all of the comment pages would be full of it even still. And, rightly so.

Why was that miserable outing absolutely disqualifying for Perry? Because it shows him to be an empty suit. How could anyone who is serious come up with a proposal to eliminate something as significant as the Department of Energy and then completely forget about his own damn plan? Easy; it wasn't a real plan. It was just some political bs that he was throwing out there that he knew would never go anywhere and that he would never try to make it happen. It's the kind of thing that Moynihan use to call "boob bait for bubba". Just something you say to make conservatives think you are one of them. But, of course, real conservatives don't have to resort to that kind of fakery. Just the pretend ones.
 

242 You don't oppo dump on someone polling at 6%. It's a waste of resources and will really only serve to help her out. By the time she started swiping at Perry, all of her momentum had been drained by Perry's getting in the race. True story. It wasn't as fun as the Palin-bashing threads, and certainly not as fun as the Paul-bashing threads either. There were some good times with Cainaics, too. Good times, good times.

243

Do you think that it's possible that the Paul supporters consist of liberaterians, legal pot endorsers, and mostly Obama supporters who have nothing better to do than to fu(k with the Republican primaries?

This increases the poll numbers for Paul, so a$$holes looking to be on the winning side, drift to the phony poll numbers.

I might be crazy, but it makes sense, in a crazy kinda sense way.

 

 

244 When asked about his own fucking plan to eliminate 3 departments of the federal government he spent 54 seconds bumbling and stuttering around while he tried to name the 3rd department. He finally just gave up and admitted he couldn't remember which department that was he wanted to do away with. blah-blah-blah Yeah. I guess that must've meant that he doesn't really want to cut government spending and is just a liberal in disguise?

245 Ladies, Ron Paul will win. Your love of war and the police state has sealed your political fate.

Amen

246 Damn, take a few days off and I come back to Ron Paul out hustling Michelle. Folks, It don't really matter till Florida... Just ask Rudy... Only way this could turn into a bigger Goat Rope is for Huntsman to decide to run as an independent... he strikes me as the type who just can't take no for an answer.

247 @Joffen - Fair enough. And @Rich - True, I agree. But it's even more frustrating that someone with so little support can do that much damage, isn't it? I just keep thinking, if someone like Dennis Kucinich (or substitute any super-liberal backbencher congressman) had decided to run in '08 and was busy stuffing live hand grenades down Obama's and Hillary's pants every chance they got, even though they knew they weren't going to win the nomination, I would have jumped through the TV screen just for the chance to rip their throat out. I know, I know: I'm the only one here who would have, everyone else would be eating popcorn...

248

Ladies, Ron Paul will win. Your love of war and the police state has sealed your political fate.

Amen

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I've always said that a cornerstone of conservativism is its love of the police state.

249 It's so nice to see you to finally acknowledge that this whole wingnut field is nothing but a freak show. I can't wait to see President Obama reelected in a landslide. I mean, Huntsman is the only electable republican who can appeal to moderates and independents which your side so desperately needs. But no. What do you guys do? Double down on crazy. Like I said...can't wait.

250 244 - Obviously if you want/need slick debate performances, it was a deal-breaker. I think a lot of us saw it as human. Yeah, the three department thing was phony. No President is going to eliminate three departments. It was supposed to sound good. It obviously didn't, but it also wasn't evidence that he doesn't have conservative principles. Especially not when measured against a decade of governance.

251 @250: Jesus Christ. You sound like a reasonable person and then you say stuff like that...! Ugh.

252 other than, she's nuts? Is she really that squeaky clean?

Yes she is.
Her only real weakness in the base is her own amateurish politics. Her weakness to the establishment is near 0 appeal to the middle. They don't want her, but risk alienating a big bunch of folks they need by any unfair attacks.

So instead, she was publicly politically assassinated, by, *ahem* Ron Paul? Maybe; I'm going full tinfoil here, and will suggest, that this is not supposed to boost Paul, but hurt Bachmann, and could have been done by any of her opposition.

In the end it will ruin Bachmann's chances which were already all but gone, but, almost certainly put her out after Iowa, so she has no chance of re-surge and ultimately cost Paul support in Iowa, because such brazen political baackstabbing is looked down upon.

So who stands to gain from Bachmann being OUT and Paul losing some support right before Iowa?

Well
You can take about three reasonable possibilities.
1. It was Ron Paul and he is an idiot. I've seen very little from his campaign that would invalidate this possibility.
2. It was another candidate who saw an opportunity to crater Bachmann and sap enough out of Paul to pick up a slot in Iowa.
3. It was Bachmann whom after a key agreement with another candidate on perhaps a VP slot, fell on her sword to give herself an excuse to bow out of the race with her campaign funds in reserve, and take a swipe at Paul going into Iowa. I've seen very little in Bachmann's campaign to conclude she is this smart.

253

@Joffen - Fair enough. And @Rich - True, I agree. But it's even more frustrating that someone with so little support can do that much damage, isn't it?

I just keep thinking, if someone like Dennis Kucinich (or substitute any super-liberal backbencher congressman) had decided to run in '08 and was busy stuffing live hand grenades down Obama's and Hillary's pants every chance they got, even though they knew they weren't going to win the nomination, I would have jumped through the TV screen just for the chance to rip their throat out.

I know, I know: I'm the only one here who would have, everyone else would be eating popcorn...

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She did some damage, but she wasn't the torpedo that sunk Perry. His 50 second brain freeze is what cost him, and that wasn't the fault of Bachmann.

254 "I've always said that a cornerstone of conservativism is its love of the police state.

Posted by: Rich at December 29, 2011 12:47 AM (4rXvg)"

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I say cons are fascists, and I know all, as we all know

255

It's so nice to see you to finally acknowledge that this whole wingnut field is nothing but a freak show. I can't wait to see President Obama reelected in a landslide.

I mean, Huntsman is the only electable republican who can appeal to moderates and independents which your side so desperately needs. But no. What do you guys do? Double down on crazy.

Like I said...can't wait.

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Did we, or did we not win a landslide election last year? did we do that by appealing to the fake middle by nominating squishes everywhere? No, we didn't. We nominated "crazies" like Mike Lee, didn't we?

256 Except the race for the presidency isn't about the guy being your bud. It's about whether he has the policies to protect our rights which by definition means he needs the ideology to underpin it. I'm sure Obama would make a heckuva drinking buddy to pal around with, but his boneheaded ideology and ruinous policies make him unfit for office. You tell me, who would you prefer sitting in the oval office, the guy with the right ideology or your drinking pal who'll continue to mess up the country? Rich

257 I'm sure Obama would make a heckuva drinking buddy to pal around with I doubt many people here would agree with that.

258 @254 - Yeah, well, just try and imagine what I set aside every day just to get to the high quality dick jokes around here. :-)

259 What is it with the trolls tonight? They've come out of the woodwork.

Rich. The police state is a feature of leftist governments. That's how they make those that don't want to play along part of the collective.

VAAtU I pray for your soul, and this planet if Paul is elected. Without leadership, this planet has an unbroken history of large scale war and death. The more you know.

Daniel, If Huntsman is the most conservative we could possibly elect, than this country deserves you, and the misery an poverty your ideology will bring.

260 True story. It wasn't as fun as the Palin-bashing threads, and certainly not as fun as the Paul-bashing threads either. There were some good times with Cainaics, too. Good times, good times.

Weren't they, podner?  In fact, we had good times trashing literally every candidate who wasn't the One True God, which of course would be me.  Heck, I've still got operatives digging around for Herb's Herman's hotel receipts from the '90s.

And just look how well it's worked out for me!

261 I say conservatives love liberty almost as much as they love their prisons.

262 @256 - That's probably true, but Bachmann was always the tip of the spear, and a pretty sharp one.

263 All you fat old impotent hicks, who have forsaken (and mistaken) Jesus for Israel are going to die soon.

The future of conservatism and the GOP (if it is to have a future) is the small-government philosophy of Ron Paul and our Constitution.

If you can't handle that, please make good on your suicide threats and kill yourself.

We don't want or need you in our way when we take on Obama.

Your ridiculous backwoods Jews=Israel=Jesus theology makes you worse than useless.

BTW, all of the "OMG Iowa is the WORST STATE EVAR" nonsense is pure sour grapes.  If Slick Rick was winning Iowa, you all would be touting it as a grand victory and mandate.

Perry couldn't get on the ballot in Virginia, even with $15 million in crony capitalist / nutjob end-timer John Hagee cash.

Isn't that pathetic?  Yep, almost as sorry a showing as Newt's failure there!

264 Yeah, well, just try and imagine what I set aside every day just to get to the high quality dick jokes around here. Well it is worth the price of admission. I have to wonder, why do you come here? Is it to understand how the conservative mind works? If so, prepare to buy lots of pudding.

265

Rich. The police state is a feature of leftist governments. That's how they make those that don't want to play along part of the collective.

VAAtU I pray for your soul, and this planet if Paul is elected. Without leadership, this planet has an unbroken history of large scale war and death. The more you know.

Daniel, If Huntsman is the most conservative we could possibly elect, than this country deserves you, and the misery an poverty your ideology will bring.

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I was being as sarcastic as I possibly could be, mocking the Ron Paul sock.

266 Yeah. I guess that must've meant that he doesn't really want to cut government spending and is just a liberal in disguise?

He's a compassionate conservative. A statist. Someone who campaigns from the right and takes conservative position as his opening bargaining position. But then, he says you know we have to get some things done, and he comes together with the left at what he will call the middle, and he deals it all away.

267 I was being as sarcastic as I possibly could be, mocking the Ron Paul sock.


Oooops sorry. Got caught up in to many bullets flying. Didn't spot the bank shot.

268 BTW...If the GOP was REALLY serious about shutting up Ron Paul (Or substitute "Not Afraid" for "Really Serious")..They would do the right thing and make RAND Paul start paying a price for HIS support of his Dad... If your Dad is a an Anti-Semitic with really crazy isolationist/9-11 Truther credentials, you don't get a pass for not speaking out against him, esp when he is a "Major" player in the GOP primary for GODDAMN PRESIDENT OF THE US!!!!!!!!!!!! Time to start nailing the son to the wall over his tacit support for his Dad...

269 Try not to take trolls seriously. I feed them when I'm bored, but it's pointless to have an actual discussion with them. Especially that fucker raykon or Hitch or GOD.

270 VAAtU I pray for your soul, and this planet if Paul is elected. Without leadership, this planet has an unbroken history of large scale war and death. The more you know.

Nut

Nukes end all war except the apocalypse, brought on by me and my followers?

271 I say conservatives love liberty almost as much as they love their prisons.

272

BTW...If the GOP was REALLY serious about shutting up Ron Paul (Or substitute "Not Afraid" for "Really Serious")..They would do the right thing and make RAND Paul start paying a price for HIS support of his Dad...

If your Dad is a an Anti-Semitic with really crazy isolationist/9-11 Truther credentials, you don't get a pass for not speaking out against him, esp when he is a "Major" player in the GOP primary for GODDAMN PRESIDENT OF THE US!!!!!!!!!!!!

Time to start nailing the son to the wall over his tacit support for his Dad...

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I'm sorry, but unless my Dad was raping women or children or murdering people, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't go after him in public. I might tell him I disagree with him in private, but I would still smile with him in public. YOu just don't attack your dad.

273

^{She did some damage, but she wasn't the torpedo that sunk Perry. His 50 second brain freeze is what cost him, and that wasn't the fault of Bachmann.}

^{Posted by: Rich at December 29, 2011 12:49 AM (4rXvg)}

I think it was Perry's late start and the abundance of debates this year. In years past, the candidates spent the summer going around Iowa and NH crafting their political message and stump speeches. This year the debates started in June? No time for the candidates to get their messages ironed out and their campaigns in place. Pawlenty dropped out about the time of the first debate because of the polling.

The most important thing with a winning campaign is not the message but the organization. The better organized campaigns can weather slip ups, while the ones that are slapdashed together tend to fall apart at crunch time.

274 Shady characters, weirdos, crazies, nuts and sleazes, attention whores, menstrual cycling women, assholes, monsters, religious nuts,   ... and, that's us, describing our Conservative Presidential nominees.

Just once I'd like to not feel like the dimmest person to read this smart blog.

275 I say conservatives love liberty almost as much as they love their prisons.

RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT

276
Time to start nailing the son to the wall over his tacit support for his Dad...

It is not fair to make a son throw his dad under the bus. I live in much the same spot as Rand, with my differences with my father. If someone asked me to chuck him beneath the wheels F U. He's still my dad. Me being quiet is the closest thing you'll get to a rebuke of his position.

277 @Joffen - To answer your question: Political junkie-ism, profane humor, challenging my own assumptions, learning more about conservatives and conservatism. I'm tired or I'd do better, but that's it in a nutshell. Time for bed. Good luck with the trolls...

278 challenging my own assumptions, learning more about conservatives and conservatism. That's how I went from extreme liberal to conservative. Hopefully you'll reach the same place. Night.

279 The point of this, Ace's point I gather, & Geraghty's more obviously (unless Ace is simply endorsing exactly what Geraghty wrote) is that for the second consecutive presidential election those who do the ground work for the party's nominee are going to be stuck with the, uh, not optimal candidate. And this could be worse that in 2008 - the retailing of Romney, not the beating down of Obama, because now Obama has a record to beat down on - because this is the guy that McCain looked - I would say IS - way way better than; & yet McCain himself was not exactly, uh, optimal. McCain wasn't a conservative, & never is Romney, but from there we go the differences: at least American voters LIKED McCain; at least American voters had some basis for believing McCain when he said stuff; at least McCain never signed into law an insurance purchase mandate; at least McCain was frickin' TRUSTWORTHY. Oh sorry, I left out one big similarity: that the GOP establishment has, once again, rigged the game to end up with their pick. Anyway, this is bound to end up just great.

280

DES MOINES, Iowa | Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:40pm EST

(Reuters) - Republican candidate Michele Bachmann's Iowa campaign chairman resigned on Wednesday and endorsed rival Ron Paul, six days before Iowa voters begin the nomination process to select the 2012 Republican presidential nominee.

Kent Sorenson, an Iowa state senator who had served as Bachmann's state campaign chairman for nearly a year, said he had decided to switch his support to Paul because the campaign had reached "a turning point."

"When the Republican establishment is going to be coming after Ron Paul, I thought it is my duty to come to his aid," Sorenson said, announcing his endorsement for the Texas congressman during a rally at the Iowa State Fairgrounds.

HA! HA! HA!  SO FCKING PWND!!!  SUCK IT FUNDY HICKS!

281 Posted by: Fucking Neo-Nazi Ron Paul Asshole Who Kicks Around Down-Syndrome Children at December 29, 2011 12:59 AM (TVIgM)

I appreciate your zeal, friend (*HEE HEE HEE HEE!!*), but the little dog-and-pony show (*HEE HEE HEE!*) that's going to be going down in five days doesn't actually assign any (*HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE!*) delegates. All it does is allow (*HEE HEE!!*) brave constitutional warriors such as yourself to work yourselves up into (*HEE HEE SNORT HEE!!*) false hopes of believing I have a shot at going into the (*HEE HEE GUFFAW HEE HEE!*) convention with more delegates than Gary Johnson, and (*HEE HEE KOFF KOFF KOFF GASP*) probably stripping Iowa of its first-in-the-nation status next time around (*HEE GASP WHEEEEEEEZE*).  At which time I'll have to build up a new base of support for '16 because all my previous supporters will be dead of embolisms from the shock of losing (*HEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!*).

282 Night.

283 So are we wishing Sarah was running yet?

284 Ladies, we are tired of your wars

Ladies, we are tired of your police state

Ron Paul for president.

285 269 - I don't know who you're describing, but it's not Rick Perry. Better we nominate Mitt, someone who can't even be bothered to state one credible conservative principle, right?

286

I recently worked on the inside of a Congressional campaign and what I came away with is the notion that the GOP establishment is peopled with idiots and fools.  I left so discouraged.

What are we going to do?

287 and they prove their manliness by their political positions and tough-guy dialogue.

My E-Peen is over 9000!

I would like the little bit nutsy guy to be my kind of nut just once in my lifetime though.

I want to keep using SCOAMF until someone uses it on-stage and he's AMF.

288 "Don't know how long you've been here, but ace has been a fairly steady supporter of Perry ever since he announced. " Perry...you mean former fringe GOP contender Rick Perry? Who according to InTrade (ie money) at this moment has a 2.5% chance of winning the nomination, running behind someone called John Huntsman and Ron Paul (7.5%)? Most Americans care about Ron Paul's Israel policy about as much as they care about his Burkina Faso (formerly Upper Volta) policy, and the 98% of Americans who are not Jewish have had quite enough of whiny ethnic groups and their ethnic squabbles and race hustling monopolizing AMERICAN elections for AMERICAN voters that are supposed to be about AMERICAN issues. Shaddap already, we get it, it's always 1939 with you people. Ron Paul's falsely alleged antisemitism is about the eighteen thousandth most important issue to *authentic* AMERICANS who care about AMERICA first and foremost. But back to Perry; why is Ace supporting a fringe candidate? I thought he was all smart milblog mainstream and stuff? Meh, as long as AoS gets behind the only *authentic* and *mainstream* conservative in the race: Ron Paul.

289 Shaddap already, we get it, it's always 1939 with you people.

I prefer it to always be 1944.  We'd gotten a lot more of the job done by then.

(*HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE!!!!!*)

290 Time to start nailing the son to the wall over his tacit support for his Dad...

Dear Rabbi Pharisee,

That sentiment isn't very Christian of you.  We no longer live under the Old Testament, and now emphasize forgiveness.

Take your eternal grudge-holding/sins-of-the-father/eye-for-an-eye crap back to Tel Aviv.

Then, please die in a very hot oven.  It's OK with me if you scream.

291 With all due respect, the Democrats are far stupider than the Repubs, but they have the lamestream media to cover for/justify/explain away their idiocy. Al Sharpton almost becomes Mayor of NY? Nancy Peolosi praises #OWS? Anthony Weiner is solidly supported by his fellow Dems when caught red, errr, handed, with his dicpics all over Twitter? Jim McDermott goes to Baghdad to defend Saddam Hussein? This is a tiny little off-the-toppa-myhead list of Democrat outrages that shd have put that Party into the grave ~25 years ago, when the Larouchites swept the Illinois Dem primaries. But as long as they have the informational iron lung, they will always be a live threat. But NOT because they aren't stupider than the Repubs.

292 "286 So are we wishing Sarah was running yet?

Posted by: Gragnor at December 29, 2011 01:13 AM (ly5PP)"

You nut, I am but an imaginary voice in her head. Stupid one.

293 "Trig Perry" = bad taste; unacceptable on a polite, intelligent BBS

"Paultard" = the epitome of political humor; welcome music to True Conservative ears

Ahem.  Your double standard is showing. 

Typical Jew boys.  One standard for them; another for the heathen gentiles.

294 Blah, the racists/Paul supporters (BIRM) are getting a little too thick in here for my taste. Time to call it a night.

295 Stupid ones, history never repeats itself ... Go look it up

296 Time to start nailing the son to the wall over his tacit support for his Dad...

Don't blame me, I voted for wanted Trey Greyson.  I see no reason to believe that Rand Paul isn't every bit as big a Nazi fuck as his dad and all of his dad's supporters, or that he will not become more and more his dad's clone as the years go by.

But noooooo.  AFTER ALL, PURITY CAME FIRST, YOU STUPID COCKSUCKING RINOS.  Which brings us back to the main thrust of this post.

Good job, Stupid Party.

297 I love my children, they are the hardest working people I know

298 With all due respect, the Democrats are far stupider than the Repubs, but they have the lamestream media to cover for/justify/explain away their idiocy.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at December 29, 2011 01:22 AM (xbrnB)

And the Vichy Right.

299 "Blah, the racists/Paul supporters (BIRM) are getting a little too thick in here for my taste. " Well, maybe take your race hustling ass back to Daily Kos, because you don't belong within a light year of the GOP. Take that shit to the Dems, race hustling whiny titty baby.

300

Off topic but...

 

Rick Perry cannot be elected President.  No way.  No how.

 

Anyone who advocates for the illegality of a raped woman getting an abortion is UNELECTABLE.

 

That is it.  That is all.  Put down the God damn kool-aid already.

301 My children, why have you forsaken me?

302 Time to call it a night.

"OMG a differing opinion!!  That's IT, I'm going to bed! *pout*"

That's right little Perrywinkle, cut and run like a scared, defenseless chicken.

The Godwin Award winning dude above admitting he likes Trey Grayson (LOLOLOLOLOL) is more brave than your pansy ass.

303 The Godwin Award winning dude above admitting he likes Trey Grayson (LOLOLOLOLOL) is more brave than your pansy ass.

I did indeed.  He isn't a Nazi.

We killed them once before, and we'll kill you too.

304 " I see no reason to believe that Rand Paul isn't every bit as big a Nazi fuck as his dad..." Holy shit it's worse than I thought. "the Vichy Right." I was originally joking about the stuck in 1939 bit...not anymore. This is Saul Alinsky-style race hustling - actually no, Alinsky may have dedicated his book to Lucifer but even he had enough self respect not to completely tard out when race hustling like the folks here. This is awesome. F5F5F5! Refresh! The Alinsky-style race hustling is the best laugh I've had since M*A*S*H!

305 Why this political incontinence?

Not even 1% of the overall electorate follows this crap, and not even a hundredth of that will factor it into their votes for the presidential candidate a year from now.

GOP the Stupid party? We're dealing with third - tier candidates and their staffs,  not defections among frontrunners. This isn't at all like 2008, where Barak stole the nomination right out from under Hillary, the heiress apparent.  

Ace, if you don't like watching sausage being made, don't watch!

306 Iowa?  Never heard of it.....

307 _²⁸⁹

_{^{I recently worked on the inside of a Congressional campaign and what I came away with is the notion that the GOP establishment is peopled with idiots and fools.  I left so discouraged.}}

_{^{What are we going to do?}}

_{^{Posted by: starlj at December 29, 2011 01:16 AM (JIQli)}}

Oh trust me, I used to be on the inside of Dem campaigns, and they have more idiots and fools. The media does a better job of hiding them.

308 Why do cons hate an ultra right wing con such as Ron?

I say its because they are inbred, and I know about these things.

309 I was at Home Depot today and struck up a conversation with another customer. We both thought the Republican party looked a lot like one of those clown cars at a circus. We were both concerned that Obama might win this one by default due to Republican ineptness.

310 This isn't at all like 2008, where Barak stole the nomination right out from under Hillary, the heiress apparent.  

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at December 29, 2011 01:35 AM (ULADD)

He didn't steal it.  Hillary went all-in (in what should have been an omen of the coming 'reset/overcharged' super-idiocy) with Spitzer and his licenses for illegals and that was it for her.  Her numbers all turned south and Spitzer saw his 70%+ approval rating crater to under 40.  The dem primary was never about voting, anyway, since it was always going to come down to the super-delegates.  The dems like it that way.  More like royalty.

311 @288:

No, I'm not a Romney supporter. Of the 7 remaining candidates, I would put Romney at #6 on my list. Only Paul does worse. I was a Palin supporter, but it's become tougher to maintain hope since she claimed she wasn't running.

I am currently wavering between Santorum and Gingrich. I think the most important domestic issue is the excessive spending by the federal government, and Newt already showed he was willing to fight that battle with the government shutdown in 1995. The dems will not agree to cutting spending, so a shutdown will become a necessity to getting them to deal.

On the other hand, Santorum seems a more reliable conservative, so I would be happy to vote for him of he can gain some traction.

312 Most Americans care about Ron Paul's Israel policy about as much as they care about his Burkina Faso (formerly Upper Volta) policy, and the 98% of Americans who are not Jewish have had quite enough of whiny ethnic groups and their ethnic squabbles and race hustling monopolizing AMERICAN elections for AMERICAN voters that are supposed to be about AMERICAN issues.

Shaddap already, we get it, it's always 1939 with you people. Ron Paul's falsely alleged antisemitism is about the eighteen thousandth most important issue to *authentic* AMERICANS who care about AMERICA first and foremost.

^^^This is all so true, and put in a very funny way.  Absolutely golden; kudos!

But back to Perry; why is Ace supporting a fringe candidate? I thought he was all smart milblog mainstream and stuff?

Ace drinks the Perry kool-aid because Gov Hurpdurp went to Israel and accepts the Hageeite replacement theology of Israel=Jesus.

Neoconish Statfor.com also posed as a smart milblog.  Then they got owned so hard they will never recover.

That is the fate awaiting Ace, HotAir, RedState, FreeRepublic, and all else who foolishly oppose Ron Paul's rEVOLution.

/final warning

313

Nobody on this site seems to understand that Obama is a Suttering Clusterf*ck of a Miserable Failure.

So vote for me because at least at the end of the day I provide at least one benefit.

And I meant a meal. Not hobo bait. 

314 Iowa?  Never heard of it.....

Grapes?  Too sour, I never wanted them....

315 Little ones, you are frightened that your plurality of conscience will come to fruition.

Run little ones, run

316 This why I mostly watch congressional elections anymore. The few candidates I like have all seemed to suffered self inflicted wounds. Meanwhile Romney who is a tailor made candidate for Obama's populist campaign next year is going to end up waltzing into the nomination. If you want to see a preview of 2012, look at Romney's run against Kennedy in 94 where he beat him over the head with Bain Capital. If only Perry had not sucked in the early debates and Gingrich cared less about seeming clever and more about just doing the right thing.

317 You know the scene in Silence of the Lambs where Buffalo Bill tucks his penis between his legs? At some point over the last hour AoS actually became less masculine than that scene. Frantic, hysterical, egregiously effete shrieking about Nazis and "racism"...it's basically The View in reverse drag, sponsored by Raytheon.

318 That is the fate awaiting Ace, HotAir, RedState, FreeRepublic, and all else who foolishly oppose Ron Paul's rEVOLution.

/final warning

319 Rain, rain coming down

Coming down on me

(I snuck into the licker cabinet)

320 "He didn't steal it." There was a LOT of documented Obama camp shenanigans in the primaries. The true scope will never be known, but its probably safe to say at least a few key states were swung by illegal team Obama activities

321

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 29, 2011 01:52 AM (EBtP3)

In the caucuses, yes.  Barky never won anything but caucuses.  I'm pretty sure that Hillary took all the actual primaries, some by astounding margins.  But, she had killed herself with her support of licenses for illegals and it dominated the news for a couple of weeks, after which she emerged on the bottom of the ugly coupling of her and Barky.  The media went into full court press on this.  Barky never did anything but stand around and make mistakes.

322 Why do you cons hate a real right wing fanatic like you do? Do you hate freedom and liberty? Do you want the government to protect you from all evil? Can't you take care of yourself?

Ron Paul for president

323 About Iowa primary suckage... I have always wondered what if the first few states were recent swing states like Florida and Nevada.  Leave us better in the general every year.  Dems fighting it out over ethanol subsidies in Iowa while R's talking to Cuban refugees.

324 The yeast piss has conquered me

nite

325 In four days, Ron Paul is going to put Rick Perry and his Israel worshiping cornfed supporters into a gas chamber set on Cleanse, then throw their (blessedly silent) corpses into a lime pit.

Don't expect Ace to be an honorable man and admit defeat.  He won't, and will find some excuse to blame people other than Perry and his Zio-cracker enablers.

You may safely bet on that; Ace would sooner support Romney than man up.

326 Anyone who advocates for the illegality of a raped woman getting an abortion is UNELECTABLE. That is it. That is all. Put down the God damn kool-aid already. Posted by: reggie1971 at December 29, 2011 01:30 AM (fdF2a) Right. We need to stop hoping that another Reagan will come along.

327 Where did these fucking Paultards come from?  DIAF, Paultards.

Also, to our Blessed Cob-logger RUSS IN WINTERSET:  Please straighten out your neighbors!  For the love of God and Reagan, please!

328 A true pro-lifer is not against abortion because he believes that the pregnant woman deserves what she got and needs to go through with it. The unborn child is granted by his Creater a fundamental right to life, as are all men. The circumstances of an unborn child's conception does not effect the fact of his/her humanity. A true pro-lifer understands and can articulate this. The rape/incest exclusion does not fly. There is a moral exclusion, however, to save the life of the mother. The mother is free to make this choice, as is anyone who's life is threatened. It has always been so.

329 Neoconish Statfor.com also posed as a smart milblog.  Then they got owned so hard they will never recover.

That is the fate awaiting Ace, HotAir, RedState, FreeRepublic, and all else who foolishly oppose Ron Paul's rEVOLution.

/final warning

What are you, 14 years old?  Fuck off, you idiot.  When Marshall "Ron Paul" Applewhite loses, which he will, will you please promise to drink the kool-aid so you can catch Hale-Bopp with the other Paultards? 

And he will lose, you know.  LONG before the general election, at that.  And if, by some hook or crook he did get the nomination (less likely than Bozo the Clown getting it), he would lose every single state, and it would not even be close.  Obrezhnev would win with 85% of the vote, guaranfuckingteed, Junior. 

Go back to your stupid Paultard blogs and plot to "own" some more, you irrelevant suburban pimply-faced dickwhistle.

330 "Obrezhnev"

That's funny.  I doubt you invented the word, because the rest of your rant is worthless purile trash. 

Too much cursing and not enough content, indicating a writer with a very low IQ.

You're probably upset because

1.  Perry made making a fool of himself in the Virginia fiasco

2.  Newt made and continues a fool of himself in the Virginia fiasco

3.  Bachmann has been badly embarrassed

4.  Paul continues to surge, regardless of the Mossad Stream Media smears

I suggest you take the easy, painless way out, and kill yourself.  Just jump already!

331 I read the Holder thread, and it pretty much encapsulates exactly why Obama cannot be allowed another term. This administration has done so much damage that it's really hard to imagine a "normal" presidency ever again.

And then, I look at the circus that the GOP has become, and just shake my head.  They really are taking the term "lesser of two evils" to a new extreme.

332

Comparing Geraghty's system to the present one reminds me of college football - playoffs vs. old-boy-boostering at the Backscrather Bowls.

Geraghty's idea sounds good to me, for all that I'd prefer a longer (three month-ish) general election campaign.  Then again, a two month general might force candidates to focus more on their general election opponent rather than the primary field earlier and more often.

Just about anything would be an improvement over what we have right now.

 

333

Sorry I missed the Paulbot invasion - fisking you bitches would have been fun. 

Did they start handing out whippets and blow over at Reason tonight ?

Or did one of you social cripples score your first hand-j and celebrate by sock-puppeting all night ?

Enjoy your several weeks of alleged relevance courtesy of the MFM you supposedly despise yet symbiotically need to inflate your Beloved Leader, lefty crypto-fascist crank poseurs.

We, RedState and the others will still be standing after the rEVOlution.  

Laughing our asses off as you cRAWl bACK inTO TEH bASement for fOUr mORE yEARs.

334 This whole buisness sounds crazy. Campaign lead for a State leaves and joins opponent just before the election. Does he not know that "he'll never get a job in this town again"?

Calling Ron Paul the most "conservative" candidate in the top tier is certainly disingenuous. He is more conservative in a lot of areas, but the way things are going now there is no "top tier". There is a constant boiling and stirring of the waters.  And his huge negatives outweigh any conservatism that he has.

The problem lies with two things, the MFM and uniformed voters. But why are they uninformed? Because the MFM keeps them that way and most are too damn lazy to go outside the media to find out for themselves.

This is the most important election this country has had since 1800 and we are losing it once again to the media.

335 As far as the primaries go, I have long argued for eliminating them and going to a runoff style election where we vote multiple times, eliminating the bottom 50% each time.

336 @37: "Show me the last ideologue we actually nominated who was a freak and ended up costing the Presidency"

Hello!

337 We were both concerned that Obama might win this one by default due to Republican ineptness. Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 29, 2011 01:39 AM

That's my biggest worry. Stupid party, versus Evil. They are being McCain Stupid again.

338 Do you think that it's possible that the Paul supporters consist of liberaterians, legal pot endorsers, and mostly Obama supporters who have nothing better to do than to fu(k with the Republican primaries? Posted by: seamrog at December 29, 2011 12:43 AM (9mRZA) Supporters or activists? Supporters may be disgruntled Obamaites, however activist Paultards are mostly Stormfronters and other neo-Nazis/Rockwellians/LaRochites/Alex-Jonesonites.

339
Supporters or activists? Supporters may be disgruntled Obamaites, however activist Paultards are mostly Stormfronters and other neo-Nazis/Rockwellians/LaRochites/Alex-Jonesonites.

Posted by: Juicer at December 29, 2011 06:25 AM (LFS8U)

Toss in some gold bugs, isolationists, and "audit the Fed" cranks and you've pretty well covered it.

340 "Addicted to losing righteously? When the hell was the last time we did that in a Presidential election? Show me the last ideologue we actually nominated who was a freak and ended up costing the Presidency. I'll wait." Waiting is over. Barry Goldwater.

341 So a rat jumps from an iceberg onto the Titanic.  Bold Moves. Bold Leadership.

342

37 Rich: Addicted to losing righteously? When the hell was the last time we did that in a Presidential election? Show me the last ideologue we actually nominated who was a freak and ended up costing the Presidency. I'll wait.

Christine O'Donnell.  No, not the Presidency, but it might as well have been, the way Ace was foaming at the mouth about it.  One year ago, the Tea Party was all "new blood" and grass roots renewal, and the last, best hope for saving GOP.  Today, they're the enemy, and Ace is wondering why the gatekeepers aren't doing their job and protecting the party from these ignorant fanatics.  Of course, this disdain doesn't extend to actually wanting them to LEAVE; they're expected to resume their proper place down at the oars in the galley, do all the work and be happy with getting nothing in return.

To really answer your question, I guess one would have to go back to Goldwater, nearly half a century ago, to find a presidential candidate who lost because of his ideals.

343

329

In four days, Ron Paul is going to put Rick Perry and his Israel worshiping cornfed supporters into a gas chamber set on Cleanse, then throw their (blessedly silent) corpses into a lime pit.

Posted by: Trig Perry at December 29, 2011 02:26 AM (TVIgM)

But remember folks, Ron Paul and his supporters are not anti-semites.

344 Pretty weak showing by the Paul-bots, other than that 14-year old threatening DOOM! by a Paul win. I am disappoint.

345 Wow, politics brings out the worst in people. 

Guess he went with Michelle cause she was the original fair haired girl and everyone assumed she'd win Iowa.  Guess this guy actually thinks paul will be president?

346 I disagree. Iowa has allowed candidates with no money to be competitive, in particular Santorum. If The top three are Romney, Paul and Santorum, Romney is the best moderate and Santorum the best conservative. Ron Paul won't win but reminds us that the GOP is not a party of international intervention, and that personal liberty is being eroded. We have come to a place where a practice common to a substantial minority in this country is treated as a felony, not a medical problem. So, I congratulate Iowa for making a sensible choice, and for allowing us to develop our own opinions of candidates rather than what millions of dollars of ads can produce.

347 "but I know for an absolute fact this is in no way true in any aspect of my life: I might prefer a friend to share my politics" ooohh, ace. Such a low-swinging cunt on the tree of cunts. Everything you see, feel, taste, fuck is ideological. fuck you.

348 Pretty weak showing by the Paul-bots

Weak showing?!?

At least we Paul-bots got our candidate on the Virginia primary ballot, unlike your loser, Gov Hurp-a-durp Perry, who FAILED to accomplish that.

At least we Paul-bots are polling in double digits, at or near the top, in Iowa.

Unlike your inbred loser fundy hick, Gov Hurp-a-durp Perry, who had blown his momentum and destroyed any change he had of winning Iowa despite sending an army of well-funded Texans up there to campaign for him.

How sad, all you can do is say "...um...well...gee....err...gosh....OOPS."

And file Sore-Loserman style lawsuits, attempting to use judicial fiat to change the rules after the game is over.

It's obvious that Senior Reeky learned the value of suing your way to victory from his good buddy Al Gore.

You and Perry are the rapidly fading past of the GOP; Ron Paul is the future.  If that makes you sad, I suggest suicide as a quick and easy form of relief.

349

 We are not that stupid.  You people need to relax. 

350 Sorry Ace but electing the democrat-lite who hates us because he can supposedly win (McCain!) and he promised to fuck us more slowly is ALSO stupid party thinking. It really is. In fact it kills the party because you end up with a party that stands for nothing and alienates its base and it deals with the displeasure of the base by expressing open contempt for them while trying to string them along in the same old shit. The 'Kumbaya play' is textbook stupid party. It is losing hidden badly under a thin coat of win paint. Worse, it is DESERVING to lose. It is failure and disgrace and spun as a small baby step win. It is bullshit. It is sucker herding. It's not good enough anymore. If THAT is all the Republican party can deliver anymore then that grand old fucker needs to shut up and die tout suite because it is standing in the way not of progressivism but of its own supposed base. And in case you haven't figured it out yet, those sophisticated smart RHINO "winning" guys, they trot out to tepidly pull in 40% are ALSO generally freaks and hucksters. They don't get more legitimate because you happen to kowtow to them and their 'slower boat to the same destination as the other party' . The PURITY types embarrass you? Well guess what, the emasculated Rhinos also embarrass the shit out of the base. Without the base those nimrods aren't even a rump party. The way things are going, they won't have the base to kick around and ignore and apologize for much longer.

351 " But remember folks, Ron Paul and his supporters are not anti-semites." You're arguing with a sock who probably thinks he's an undiscovered National Lampoon writer or something. Relax. 'Trig Perry' is a cheezy sockpuppet full of bullshit trying to stir people up against Ron Paul because he figures Paul's actual obnoxious fans and newsletters aren't enough of a turn off for normal people to get upset about . 'Trig Perry' would be called an 'obvious troll' in the rest of the internet. He's not really a Ron Paul supporter. The real ones actually have slightly more subtlety than that as they spam online polls and stick signs everywhere and interrupt call-in radio talk shows.

352 " Waiting is over. Barry Goldwater." George H. W. Bush - came in with coat-tails, 1 termer. Bob-Dole - no termer...but it was his turn! Jack Kemp! George W Bush - Barely won, two termer, presided over crash of housing market and 2006 loss of House and 2008 loss of everything due to housing market crash. John McCain. - no termer. But it was his turn! Brought Palin to prominence and walked away when it became clear he was just senate material. Yep. Those crossover appeal big government moderate Non-idealogues with their instinct for bipartisan initiatives are SOOOOO AWESOME. Oh how they shine and sparkle! Colin Powell (Obama voter!), Dave Frum, Dave Brooks, Christoper Buckley...obviously KNOW what's best for the party. They wouldn't steer us wrong.

353 Remember folks, it's always better to lose the sophisticated fence sitting way than to lose the unsophisticated "freakish" ground standing ideological way. I mean what would people think if you lost the wrong way? Winning? Base? Shrinking contributions? Pffft. Stop talking nonsense and get me a fresh long island ice tea, will you?. There's good R&F chap! Now, back to the god-bothering, flea picking, fly-over wasteland with you. I'm sure your swamp-banjo is getting cold or something without you being there to pick and strum it at your strange hootenanny gatherings. We'll ring the bell when you are needed. Be off I say! We might be photographed together if you stand so close! Away with you ungrateful wretch! Hie away quickly!

354 "Ron Paul is the future." Hey Trig, do you guys pray to Bay City 5 times a day, or make Haj to his birthplace in Pittsburgh ? Is it haram for an unbeliever to touch the Newsletters ? Enquiring minds, which none of you Ronulans have, want to know.

355 I think I speak for most conservatives when I say that I'm damn tired of the Republican party crapping all over what we tell them to, send money to them to accomplish, vote for them based on what they say they will do. We're sick of them slowing the truck down slightly as it drives off the cliff, we're tired of candidates who talk small government then vote big government. We're tired of it all.

Look if we're screwed either way, which is looking increasingly likely, why not go with your heart? This isn't about ideology over practicality, its about realizing the Republican Party is just as shitty as the Democrats, so why on earth help them?

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