1 Weiner tweeted the shit out of that crank.

2 And, first.

3 Just a thought. Knowing how easy it is to screw up modern technology, what if Comely Co-ed WAS totally innocent and Wiener-boy meant to send pic to someone else and pushed wrong button?

4 Inconclusive. Which is not surprising. The only people with access to the full EXIF data are not going to release it. This is not enough to satisfy a judge that Weiner sent a dic-pic to this gal, but you can bet your ass it not even CLOSE to satisying Weiner's wife that he DIDN'T send it.

5 According to this Oct 2010 CNN article, yFrog deletes metadata from uploaded pics...

http://tinyurl.com/3pbdx4m

"Some photo services, including Facebook, TwitPic and Yfrog, strip EXIF once a file is uploaded and don't offer a way for users to access the original."

6 All I can say is, let's not get all Birth Certificate here...

7 I hope hope hope that this is Weiner stepping on his crank. It couldn't happen to a nicer fella. Really. BUT - the guy who is denying that he was the hacker - seems to be awfully specific about his IP. That sounds suspiciously like a parsing answer. Like, there aren't public libraries or proxies and such.

8 damn: Some photo services, including Facebook, TwitPic and Yfrog, strip EXIF once a file is uploaded and don't offer a way for users to access the original. For Yfrog, the lack of EXIF is a byproduct of automatic image optimizations done by the system, not something designed specifically with privacy in mind, Mike Harkey, a spokesman for the ImageShack-owned Yfrog site, wrote in an e-mail. http://tinyurl.com/3pbdx4m

9 And damn you too, Brian.

10 Weiner/Spitzer. Ginger Lee of course would be a regular on the show.

11
Move aside, Ace.

Let me be the judge of all this.

12 Yes, damn me for interrupting the lemming march of a cliff.

13 Does anyone here have a Blackberry?  Take a look at your photos and see if it stores the date.

14 Interesting theological question:

Weiner's wife is Muslim.

Is this grounds for her family chopping his pee-pee off?

Or does he just get to whup her ass?

Or does the rulebook get thrown out since he's a filthy member of the Tribe?

15
Maybe he took the pic with his special penis camera that he uses only for taking wang pics?

16 Basing a case on the fact that a picture taken by a Blackberry is like a basing it on the suspect escaping in a Ford.

What if it was a Ford Probe?

17 I know nothing about photoshop, hacking, or even twitter.

But I'm sure enjoying the show.

18 So... this is all about a congressman who may have published pictures of his wang on twitter?

Probably not, but, okay.

The question is, I have some time to burn to read this post; but do you really have the time to publish this sort of sad stupid shit?

19 Usually these online photo/video sharing sites keep only smaller (and completely different) versions of your original photos and videos.  This is why I don't use them.

20
Or does he just get to whup her ass?

Yes. Any time the man or woman does something deemed wrong by Islam, the woman, if she's a muslim, gets punished.

21 13 - irrelevant.  If the pic is saved to your PC it will contain date, cam model, resolution, focal length and aperature, even GPS coords if the gps radio is turned on....

The question is whether any of that data is retrievable after uploading to yFrog.  I can't say conclusively b/c I've never used yFrog, but everything I've read says no.

I can say without any hesitation that it is trivial to add/edit EXIF on an existing pic.  Lots of free apps out there to do it.

22 15, of course, a WienerCam!!!

23 @3: what if Comely Co-ed WAS totally innocent and Wiener-boy meant to send pic to someone else and pushed wrong button? ----------------------------------------- Possibly... Still, why in the hell was Wiener following her tweets in the first place? What dazzling information or fascinating, sophisticated bon mots was she putting forth that made him decide that this 22-year-old co-ed was so irresistibly fascinating -- verbiage-wise -- such that she needed to be paid attention to on a regular basis? I'd like to hear him address that.

24

Keep it up, Ace. If we on the right keep making enough noise, maybe, just maybe, someone on the left will finally acknowledge it and...

Aw, crap, who am I fooling? Although I did see a mention of it this morning over at the Fox News site.

I am, however, running low on popcorn. I'm saving the pudding just in case this goes national, and by national, I mean when the MSM starts spinning this furiously away from Weiner.

25 Still, why in the hell was Wiener following her tweets in the first place?

She was just one of a bunch. He's a sexual predator.

26 I do not know this type of stuff.

I've got your back, bro'.

27 Does anyone here have a Blackberry?  Take a look at your photos and see if it stores the date.

Posted by: Cherry ð at May 30, 2011 01:08 PM (+sBB4)

I do, I just looked at my weiner pics and it stores the date under properties, the date last modified anyways. It also stores the file size and assigns it an image number.

28 The resolution issue really isn't an issue, is it? Modern phones have the means to change resolution. Don't they?

29 I just looked at my weiner pics

Does it give a length and width?

30 27- Go into the image properties (right-click the image, choose Properties).  Then click the Summary tab and then the 'Advanced...' button.

That will display all the exif data that your phone/cam saves to the picture. 

31 Just a thought...

If Weiner claims hacking to an LEO, wouldn't his phone have to be confiscated for forensic analysis?  Same for his computer(s).

Especially if said hardware were government issued instead of his personal property?

32 Now if we could take a photo with known date EXIF data and save it on yfrog...  Do I have to tell you people everything?

33 Go into the image properties (right-click the image, choose Properties).  Then click the Summary tab and then the 'Advanced...' button.

That will display all the exif data that your phone/cam saves to the picture. 

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 30, 2011 01:18 PM (lHn6+)

How do you right click a blackberry?

34  Could be that the picture was taken with a different phone - I know many people have "personal" and "work" phones, and I don't see why a Congressman would be any less likely to do that.  Particularly if he was cheating/attempting to cheat without alerting the wife. 

35 Darrell Issa must begin an investigation today.  This is a very serious security breach for a US Congressman.  A panel must be formed.

36

How do you right click a blackberry?

Posted by: robtr at May 30, 2011 01:19 PM (MtwBb)

LMAO

37 I just can't get past the ewwww factor of Weiner appearing to have such kinds of contact with young women half his age that he'll send them pictures of his little man.  It's OK if he follows them on Twitter, I guess, but it appears he has other than political reasons for doing so.  And he's lying his skinny @ss off about it.  And he's a jerk. 

38

Sheriff Dean "Ace" Farley:  On a hunch, I took it upon myself to check out if there was any information on a '63 Pontiac Tempest stolen or abandoned recently. This computer readout confirms that two boys, who fit the defendants' description, were arrested two days ago by Sheriff Tillman in Jasper County, Georgia, for driving a stolen metallic mint green 1963 Pontiac Tempest, with a white convertible top, Michelin Model XGV tires, size 75-R-14. And for hacking Rep Weiner's Twitter/Facebook accounts by posting dic pics.

 

39 This case is relatively unimportant by itself.  A congressman may or may not be fooling around on his wife.  Things get interesting when the partisan hacks get going on it.

The case becomes interesting through its ability to demonstrate the intellectual dishonesty of people who have no connection to it other than partisanship.

Lying for someone else, or even overstating a case and pretending to believe unconvincing evidence, is pretty fucking pathetic.  Perfect objectivity is of course impossible to achieve, but it would be nice to see certain people at least put forth the effort.  If someone can't at least try to be on the side of the truth, then why should anyone believe anything they say?

Partisan hacks, of every persuasion, are a pimple on the asshole of man.

40
The mainstream media will begin castigating Ace of Spades and others for creating leaps of logic that are easily refuted, but only by the more sanctimonious prick scribblers who adapt their logic and reasoning to the perceived threat.

Conservative Congresscritters are not able or willing to go for the juggler when warranted, and will always espouse the necessity for civility and crossing the aisle to maintain a great relationship with their adversaries, even when the enemy has his dick up their ass.

The John-John McSpineless wing of the republican party no longer reflect the will of the people, and they need to either grow a pair of big balls to combat evil, or be washed into the dustbin of history like a used Tampon. 

Ace has performed a great public service, and is to be commended for his valorous actions in the face of the withering criticism to come.  Salute!

41 Aren't we all overlooking the need for photos of the alleged Comely Coed?

42 Resolution can be an issue if it isn't supported by the camera or if it shows as a non-standard resolution (indicating cropping, etc).

I do a lot of investigation work using EXIF data (exposing penny-stock swindles as a hobby).  Just take the steps above to view EXIF data on the images you've taken with your camera.  It's very difficult to duplicate all of it perfectly.

I have a very bad feeling that yFrog's lack of metadata actually worked in Weiner's favor:  makes sense for him to just sit back and let us all beclown ourselves, possibly even catch one or two forging images, before letting us all know that the he was indeed hacked, the FBI hcontacted, and he was asked to stay quiet. 

Again, I wish this were true (and it may be) but it's had minefield written all over it from the start IMO.

43 Seattle Times ran the AP story this morning, pretty far buried.  They repeated Weiner's story, but used what I thought were an awfule lot of quotation marks in doing so.  Like: 

Dave Arnold told The Associated Press in an email that the tweet, supposedly directed at a Seattle woman, was "a distraction" from the married New York Democrat's "important work representing his constituents."

That sounds pretty tongue-in-cheek to me.  I mean, for the AP, writing about a Dem, it's almost equivalent to yelling "bullshit"!

44 "How do you right click a blackberry?"

Oops, thought you had xferred it to your PC.

45

when i use veiw list on my blackberry it shows that all of the photo's I have taken are different file sizes by a lot.

from 40kb to 568 kb, I have never changed anything so it looks like it changes each picture on its own.

46 If Stranahan has evidence of fakery, that is very, very good for Anthony Weiner. I'm not sure what the fakery would prove, exactly. (1) That PatriotUSA hacked Weiner's yfrog account and uploaded a picture he took to it? (2) That PatriotUSA has produced a fake photo taken hours after the alleged hacking? It seems No. 1 would exonerate Weiner, but No. 2 would impugn Patriot's credibility without really saying what happened with Weiner's account.

47 Yeah I noted to Stranahan my belief (am not sure of this) that Congressmen get a government-issued phone for work, as a perk, but must of course also keep a private line. I don't think they can call, say, donors on a government phone. And stuff like that.

48
The question is, I have some time to burn to read this post; but do you really have the time to publish this sort of sad stupid shit?

Posted by: weiner's weener...get it? hehe at May 30, 2011 01:10 PM (DZboX)

Sure, just about as much time as a sitting congressman does to snap pics of his inadequate junk with his taxpayer supplied phone, DM it to a child on twitter, get caught, lie about it, then attempt to cover it up. Does that about cover it?

49 meh.Best case scenario is still that this Weiner guy is a Democrat. That's bad enough.

50 It took three exposures to get my exposure all on film.  John Wayne said it ain't braggin' if it's the truth.

51

I don't think they can call, say, donors on a government phone. And stuff like that.

 

The rules don't say nothing about dicpics, though.

52 How conveeeeeeeeeenient that this story breaks over a holiday weekend.

53 Yeah I noted to Stranahan my belief (am not sure of this) that Congressmen get a government-issued phone for work, as a perk, but must of course also keep a private line. I don't think they can call, say, donors on a government phone. And stuff like that.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2011 01:27 PM

It is totally against the rules to use your official government phone or even stationery that way.  Believe me, I know.

54 45-

Does the blackberry create a thumbnail version for quick-display in an image gallery?

Regardless, copy them all to your PC, right click each, choose Properties, select the Summary tab and then the Advanced button.

I don't think most people here realize what EXIF data is.  It's f-ing scary.

Width
Height
Horiz Resolution
Vert Resolution
Bit Depth
Frame Count
Equipment Make
Camera Model
GPS Coords
Creation Software
Shutter Speed
Lens Aperture
Flash Energy
F-Number
Exposure Time
ISO Speed
Metering Mode
Light Source
Exposure Program
Exposure Compensation
Date Picture Taken
Title
Subject
Keywords
Comments


....  and that's just what's stored on images taken with a Motorola Milestone cell phone.

55 It is a nice tattoo. THECHARLIEDANIELSOFTHETORQUEWRENCHLOXAHATCHEEFLORIDA

56

The only reason I can even remotely contemplate that it may be a fake is that the penis looks relatively straight and normal.  When I see a person that looks like Anthony Weiner, I would imagine that his pecker is grossly misshapen and lumpy, with a couple of 45 degree angles thrown in.  I have always assumed butt-ugly men had butt-ugly peckers that looked like them. 

If it is his ding-dong, then I am sure it is covered with skin disorder or some such malfunction.  No one that looks like Anthony Weiner in the face gets a normal penis.  It's got stray pubes all over it or something.

Yeah, I'm weird like that.

57 This is an outrageous and egregious act of illegal hacking of Congressman Weiner's accounts. Mr; Weiner is a fine example of an American patriot and on Memorial day we should be,  well, lucky we have a man like this representing the fine people of NY. We will get the best men on this.

58 ...appears it's a Vienna Weiner

59 56
It is, however hard to the left

60 Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at May 30, 2011 01:28 PM (6IReR)

I understand the position the poster you are replying to is taking and you position is supportive of the accusation but there are some facts about this that are not disputable. Rep. Weiner was carrying a virtual harem of young women and girls around in his Twitter account and has yet to explain the multiple direct messages to them.

61

Posted by: robtr at May 30, 2011 01:26 PM (MtwBb)

i just looked at mine also and didnt know it saved all that, damn even saves the town you took the pic in.

62

Does the blackberry create a thumbnail version for quick-display in an image gallery?

Yes it does, I might have some on my pc I saved for work I will look.

63 Not quite long enough for the Zip and Country, but still. Tell the Purple Avenger I'll meet him at Boonies in about 45 minutes

64 Ah, Memorial Day memories . . .

65 Congressmen get a government-issued phone for work, as a perk, but must of course also keep a private line.

Probably.  So any EXIF data can only convict, if it matched other known Weiner pics, not exonerate if it didn't.

66 I have always assumed butt-ugly men had butt-ugly peckers that looked like them.

We don't see-see Weiner's fallacy.  And I don't ever wanna.

67 54 There's more data embedded in the file if you utilize an editting program, like say, P-shop.  It's easy enough to scrub, but not if you don't know it's there.

68 "i just looked at mine also and didnt know it saved all that, damn even saves the town you took the pic in."

THAT should be the congressional investigation IMO.  There won't be any though, since your unwittingness helps them keep track of you.

69 Here is an online exif viewer (I have not used it)

70 He wasn't  following her tweets he was following her tits.

71 Regardless of what was used to take the picture, isn't the gist of this drama the fact that said pic was transmitted from Point A to Point B, and that the FBI can figure out the identity of Point A?

72 That dick pic I sent her was zipped.

I did not have unzipped internet sex with that woman.

Call my lawyer up in Chappaquiddick, he'll tell ya.

73 72 Regardless of what was used to take the picture, isn't the gist of this drama the fact that said pic was transmitted from Point A to Point B, and that the FBI can figure out the identity of Point A?

Posted by: Joejm65 at May 30, 2011 01:41 PM (syDFX)

sure, if you've actually been hacked, and then did the next obvious step of contacting the authorities about said hack.

74 "So any EXIF data can only convict, if it matched other known Weiner pics, not exonerate if it didn't."

Just the opposite IMO.  If a pic surfaces who's EXIF matches the dikpic perfectly, yet the resolution (or anything else) is clearly not as described in EXIF, Weiner is exonerated.  Since EXIF can be edited with ease it can be added to a good photoshop, etc, it will never be proof.

The only proof will have to come forensically from his Blackberry(s)/yFrog/Twitter itself.

75 72 Regardless of what was used to take the picture, isn't the gist of this drama the fact that said pic was transmitted from Point A to Point B, and that the FBI can figure out the identity of Point A?

Posted by: Joejm65 at May 30, 2011 01:41 PM (syDFX)

Hahahahahah

76 The take-away for Republicans is that for the next sex scandal, just claim you were hacked. "Who put my shirtless photo onto a Craigslist ad?"

77 If a pic surfaces who's EXIF matches the dikpic perfectly, yet the resolution (or anything else) is clearly not as described in EXIF, Weiner is exonerated.

Unless Weiner massaged his own weiner pic.

78 P.S.  this is why I thought it was such a horrible idea to post the sidebar last night  requesting people search their cache for copies that may still contain EXIF data...

The EXIF technique in this case is now dead for all intents and purposes (for us amateurs, at least) .

79 Since Jim Tressel is leaving in disgrace today, this makes me wonder . . . why the hell was he ever nicknamed "The Senator" as if that's supposed to be a compliment?

That just screams corruption, cover-ups, and licentiousness (everything the opposite of squeaky clean) to me.

80 Ace thanks for the link. Brian, that CNN article you are quoting says that location-based Exif data is not included in yfrog images, which is true. This way stalkers can't find celebrities or other people based on their posts. However, it doesn't not strip away the camera device used to snap the photo. In the 'call to action' post you can test for yourself that this information is preserved on one of Weiner's own uploads --> here http://j.mp/j64jTP

81 sure, if you've actually been hacked, and then did the next obvious step of contacting the authorities about said hack.>>>>>>>>> Yah. I don't get this. If the guy said he was hacked, then why do the authorities need an invitation to proceed with an investigation. Like, that hotel maid said she was raped by the French guy. If he succeeds in paying her off to not press charges against him, the prosecutor can still go after him based on evidence collected. So, she can say 'oops, my bad, I wasn't raped', and the NYPD can still proceed with an investigation and have that incident prosecuted. Yes, it's apples and oranges, but since there's a congressman involved, I'm not sure why things, you know, just don't automatically kick into gear. Especially when there are security clearance issues involved.

82 Unless Weiner massaged his own weiner pic.

Posted by: Cherry ð at May 30, 2011 01:46 PM (+sBB4)

well it is easy to zoom in and out,crop and such on a Blackberry.

83 Try saying this five times fast:

Pickled posts of pics of puny pecker.

84

Posted by: robtr at May 30, 2011 01:37 PM (MtwBb)

My IP4 also saves every picture twice... once in High resolution and once in a smaller pic... by default....

Do Blackburys do the same?

85 Regardless of what was used to take the picture, isn't the gist of this drama the fact that said pic was transmitted from Point A to Point B, and that the FBI can figure out the identity of Point A? But Stanahan saying that "the information in question indicates the photo was taken hours later than it assumedly was." I assume that means the picture we're examining wasn't the one that was sent, because it was sent after the time of the offending tweet. No?

86 To suggest that these service providers, twitter, FB, etc. had their security breached, as an explanation or excuse to coverup for a momentary lapse of reason caused by your dick, is fairly egregious behavior, - especially when coming from a government representative.

87 Could this photo have been taken with someone else's Blackberry, DMed to the Weener, and then sent out from his phone?

88

Posted by: Joejm65 at May 30, 2011 01:49 PM (syDFX)

Hmmmm.... which Gov agency would investigate this?

Secret Service would if it was the Administrative branch... FBI for Congress?

89 35 Darrell Issa must begin an investigation today. This is a very serious security breach for a US Congressman. A panel must be formed. Posted by: Cherry π at May 30, 2011 01:20 PM (+sBB4) --------------------------------------------------- What we have here is a case of premature extrapolation.

90

This case is relatively unimportant by itself.  A congressman may or may not be fooling around on his wife.

I'm not so sure. If Weiner is on an intelligence committee or has access to classified information, this could be relatively important. The fact that he's fooling around could open him up to all kinds of nefarious people who would, shall we say, not have the country's best interests at heart. Not recognizing this aspect of national security doesn't make it go away.

The partisanship is merely the icing on the cake. For years, the MFM has sought to discredit anyone whom they perceive as "the enemy," which would be essentially any Republican or conservative in power. Many pols on the right have lost their positions for far less.

This little incident should receive the same scrutiny that the media uses against Republicans. We're tired of the double standard of the leftist media and only wish to see fairness applied fairly.

91 Yes, it's apples and oranges bananas and melons, but since there's a congressman involved, I'm not sure why things, you know, just don't automatically kick into gear.
Fixed. (Unlike a certain Congressman.)

92 The only thing that really matters is the IP logs. If they're the same for the dic-pic as Weiner's Whining about his hockey game and the Maddow tweet, he's a proven liar. But no LEO will investigate without a complaint, no logs will be turned over without an investigation, and the only one precluding an investigation is the man who claims hackers did it to him, but who would be liable if he called for an investigation into a crime he knew didn't happen. In short, the only person who could make it all proven is the person who would want it proven...if his story were truthful.

93

Do Blackburys do the same?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2011 01:52 PM (NtXW4)

yes, saves them on a thumbnail like page.

94 I have thought of one theory that makes the hacking more possible.

What if Weiner used the same password for all of his accounts? That makes simultaneous hacking more likely, and if the hacker -- for some incompetent reason -- did not change the passwords, it would be relatively painless to regain control of the accounts by swapping the passwords.

That does not, however, explain the slash and burn of all related evidence, potentially related evidence, evidence tangentially related or evidence related within 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon.

But, hey, at this point -- Weiner might want to go with: "I'm an idiot who uses the same password" as his defense.

95 89 which Gov agency would investigate this? Secret Service would if it was the Administrative branch... FBI for Congress?>>>>>>>>>> Not sure. I asked Ace last night, he didn't know either. SS?Capitol Police? FBI? Who ever has the lab to check this out, and maybe a few departments working together. I still assume that it would take less than a day of investigation to confirm or refute the hacking story. That should be the main question in this process. Was he hacked or not? Only then does the nitty gritty of the photo's resolution and other techie stuff matter....

96

"Does that mean we have met a dead-end? No. Yfrog has three different versions of every file. The first is the thumbnail sized image found in userÂ’s profiles. The second image is a medium size quality (the version of the photo we have), and the third is the higher quality. Users can access higher quality photos by clicking on the first image. @PatriotUSA76 told me he had not clicked through the file, which is the reason he only had the medium quality version."

From the article... the Meta data would be on the origional large size file of the pic, not the truncated smaller one... yfrog would 'edit' the pic to get the smaller size, and not retain all the data... we need a copy of the origional large photo to be able to tell anything...

97 And there's larger questions as to why a newlywed is trolling the internet for pussy rather than getting it from his wife, a political operative serving a major US official who, up until the marriage, had an unnaturally close relationship to that official.

98

Weiner is an important Dem and they won't lose him without a fight. All forces will be called to bear, including the troll brigade already extant. Just observing the defense techniques will be instructive.

If there are no marital problems over this, there isn't really a marriage of het-love, and the Huma/Hillary thing is reawakened.

It will be interesting to see how Weiner handles himself  on Twitter henceforth.

 

99

Oh, and the time stamp on the smaller version of the photo would probably be the time that Y-Frog EDITED the picture to be smaller... ie, not when it was taken, but when it was downloaded to YFrog?

Anyone got Pics on Yfrog who can test this?

100 The press may not get him. The bloggers may not get him. This may not cost him his marriage or his political future but....

Wait, where was I going with this?

Oh! I remember. His wife will recognize the undies, the weiner and the hardwood floors. He'd better sleep with an iron chastity belt if he wants to hold on to that little thing.

101 98And there's larger questions as to why a newlywed is trolling the internet for pussy rather than getting it from his wife, a political operative serving a major US official who, up until the marriage, had an unnaturally close relationship to that official.

Posted by: nickless at May 30, 2011 02:00 PM (MMC8r)

Because Wifey is always flying around with Hillary? Not at home?

Whats that old saying? When the cats away the mice will play?

102

My IP4 also saves every picture twice... once in High resolution and once in a smaller pic... by default....

Do Blackburys do the same?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2011 01:52 PM (NtXW4)

I am not sure, maybe. It has thumbnails that you click on to see the full screen pic. I am not sure if that answers your question.

I put one of the pics on my pc and it says it is EXIF version 0220 whatever that means. It also says what kind of camera etc.

103 you would think Twitter would be all over it by now. if he was hacked it makes them look bad........

104 This is all good stuff. You may want to e-mail your points to Ace, since he's grilling steak and eating creamed spinach and going to see Hangover 2. He might not read your points in this thread, but they're all good points that he may want to pursue with his twitter friends.

105 If twitter, FB, etc., begin to lose clients, advertisers, investors, or any other means of support/profit, doesn't seem reasonable that they would have an interest in exonerating themselves and their reputations from the corrupting influence of a  Beltway playboy?

Okay, I've hammered this point enough.

106 Yesterday, May 29, 2011—a date which will live in infamy—the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and cyber forces of the Empire of Weiners.

It will be recorded that the distance of Seattle from DC makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Weiners on Sunday, May 29th, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Weiner Empire.

107

 we need a copy of the origional large photo to be able to tell anything...

 

I'm pretty sure, even without the meta data, that this is a photo of something similar to a man's penis - only smaller.

108 And there's larger questions as to why a newlywed is trolling the internet for pussy rather than getting it from his wife, a political operative serving a major US official who, up until the marriage, had an unnaturally close relationship to that official.

AS much as it makes me nauseated to type it, he was, prior to his marriage, considered quite the "ladies' man."

Old habits die hard.

109 First of all, let's get a grip here. Calling Weiner a sexual predator is out of line. He's an arrogant prick with power who thinks he can do whatever he wants with women. This is something not limited to any particular political persuasion. It's endemic to our gender.

110 100 Oh, and the time stamp on the smaller version of the photo would probably be the time that Y-Frog EDITED the picture to be smaller... ie, not when it was taken, but when it was downloaded to YFrog? Anyone got Pics on Yfrog who can test this? Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2011 02:00 PM (NtXW4)>>>>>>>>>> Eh, my post on 105 was directed to you. I forgot to paste your comment. My bad.

111  The fact that he's a slimy stinking Demoncrap gives him a pass. This is a sad reality and what excuse do they use, well Republicans are so pure, that if they do something like this, they must be drummed out of the world, but the Dems aren't pure so anything they do is fine. Can't argue with that logic now can you?

112 Just the opposite IMO.  If a pic surfaces who's EXIF matches the dikpic perfectly, yet the resolution (or anything else) is clearly not as described in EXIF, Weiner is exonerated.  Since EXIF can be edited with ease it can be added to a good photoshop, etc, it will never be proof.


The existence of a shopped photo doesn't exonerate anything.  So, it can neither exonerate or convict then.  Meh.  okay.

113 Did anybody check to see if the letters in the lines of EXIF data line up to spell "Average Joe"? I'm not saying he did it, but you can never be too careful with that dirty bastard out there somewhere, waiting to make a fool of you.

114 This is all good stuff. You may want to e-mail your points to Ace, since he's grilling steak and eating creamed spinach and going to see Hangover 2. He might not read your points in this thread, but they're all good points that he may want to pursue with his twitter friends.

What's your point?

115 An  investigation is in the works and there is Reward Money involved!

Help Me Bring the Weiner Hacker to Justice

I have never been much of a community activist, but I can no longer sit idly while America remains at risk of attack by the most nefarious identity thief in the history of Internet.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/

116 Calling Weiner a sexual predator is out of line. He's an arrogant prick with power who thinks he can do whatever he wants with women.

Huh.  I don't get what you are saying here.

117 Did anybody check to see if the letters in the lines of EXIF data line up to spell "Average Joe"?
I'm not saying he did it, but you can never be too careful with that dirty bastard out there somewhere, waiting to make a fool of you.

Someone on twitter said this morning that they were about 75% sure that this isn't Average Joe's doing. Ace said he'd fucking kill him if it was.

118 And why is the Coed backing off her story, being particular to disavow fingering anyone as the hacker? Because it would open the grounds to a lawsuit, and discovery's a bitch. Any DMs with WeinerMan could become evidence.

119 an arrogant prick with power who thinks he can do whatever he wants with women. That would be one definition of a sexual predator.

120 Wait a minute.  That pic has nine layers if you open it up with PhotoShop.  I can clearly make out the words "Kenya" and "Obama".

121 Calling Weiner a sexual predator is out of line. He's an arrogant prick with power who thinks he can do whatever he wants with women.

Proves he is by definition dumb ass

122 106 If twitter, FB, etc., begin to lose clients, advertisers, investors, or any other means of support/profit, doesn't seem reasonable that they would have an interest in exonerating themselves and their reputations from the corrupting influence of a  Beltway playboy? Okay, I've hammered this point enough. Posted by: Fritz at May 30, 2011 02:04 PM (AN8d5)>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. It's not the fault of Twitter or Facebook that someone could use an easy-to-guess password. There's nothing they could do to protect against that. The term 'Hacking' can allude that their servers were broken into, but usually it means that the user used their pet's name as their password.

123 Online poll at NY Daily News has Weiner split over whether he is victim or perp. Go there and vote if you give a damm. http://tinyurl.com/427ebw8

124 108

we need a copy of the origional large photo to be able to tell anything...

I'm pretty sure, even without the meta data, that this is a photo of something similar to a man's penis - only smaller.

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2011 02:04 PM (YVOru)

Yeah, but in the bigger picture, it would look BIGGER!

125 His wife will recognize those underwear, legs and the seating of the penis in said underwear. We will see if she is a "stand by your man" woman.

126 If this was taken from a Blackberry, it hardly proves it was Weiner who did this.  It could have been anybody with a Blackberry.

But as far as the plausibility of the hacking claim--how often do hackers use a Blackberry?  Blackberrys suck for surfing the internet in general, much less engaging in hacking while doing it.  Even if you're just taking a picture, they still suck.  I mean, I guess they'd get the job done for taking a picture, which is all you really want, but if you're setting yourself up for prison, wouldn't you want to use equipment that would cover your tracks better?

The person who hacked Palin's account didn't cover his tracks, so, it's not dispositive.  Criminals are often stupid.  It could be true.  Not an expert on hacking--it just doesn't seem like the most likely way to go when hacking an account.

127 115 This is all good stuff. You may want to e-mail your points to Ace, since he's grilling steak and eating creamed spinach and going to see Hangover 2. He might not read your points in this thread, but they're all good points that he may want to pursue with his twitter friends. What's your point? Posted by: Clueless at May 30, 2011 02:06 PM (piMMO)>>>>>> I didn't make my point in this post, by accident. I made it in 111. I forgot to paste the comment I was responding to....

128 Help Me Bring the Weiner Hacker to Justice      

Posted by: fudimo at May 30, 2011 02:07 PM (N0LuB)

You just stay away from me!

129 makes sense for him to just sit back and let us all beclown ourselves, possibly even catch one or two forging images, before letting us all know that the he was indeed hacked, the FBI hcontacted, and he was asked to stay quiet.

Again, I wish this were true (and it may be) but it's had minefield written all over it from the start IMO.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 30, 2011 01:24 PM

Actually it doesn't make sense.  If it does turn out he has contacted the authorities and told no one it will not sit well with lots of people.  How about the Comely Coed for one?  Or is she in on it too?  And what about all the other women/girls he's followed and who have now been placed in the much wider public arena?  Then there is his family?  Do you really think they would go along with all the ridicule just to fool a few of the so-called VRWC?  And how could he know what all of the LSM reaction would be?  What if it back-fires and people become irate at such a waste of time by even WaPo and others?  What would he really gain? 

130 from Iowahawk

Moral of this story: Be careful w/ those BlackBerrys, 'cause they will turn on you and broadcast your junk!

131 That photo of a younger Weiner reminds me of this.

132

Posted by: AD at May 30, 2011 02:12 PM (mVDI9)

What I can't get over is how LAME that picture is...

If'n I was trying to get someone in trouble, I'd use a MUCH more graphic picture... Its not like there are not plenty of pics available out there on the net...

Thats why I'm leaning towards believing Weiner sent this... its a lame ass Picture sent by a guy who'd had a couple too many beers.

133 131from Iowahawk

Moral of this story: Be careful w/ those BlackBerrys, 'cause they will turn on you and broadcast your junk!

Posted by: Cherry ð at May 30, 2011 02:14 PM (+sBB4)

Hmmmm.... why is the Teleprompter over in the corner making giggling noises?

134 Thats why I'm leaning towards believing Weiner sent this... its a lame ass Picture sent by a guy who'd had a couple too many beers. Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2011 02:15 PM (NtXW4)>>>>>>>>> He's done this before. Just wait 'till someone offers the pron chick a ton of money. Then she'll start talking, and all hell will break loose. I hope.

135 110 First of all, let's get a grip here. Calling Weiner a sexual predator is out of line. He's an arrogant prick with power who thinks he can do whatever he wants with women. This is something not limited to any particular political persuasion. It's endemic to our gender.

Posted by: Chris R at May 30, 2011 02:05 PM (QiNmA)

Bullshit.

136 He's done this before. Just wait 'till someone offers the pron chick a ton of money. Then she'll start talking, and all hell will break loose. I hope.

Or a starring role in the pron version of this story which is, surely, already being cast.

137 126 His wife will recognize those underwear, legs and the seating of the penis in said underwear. We will see if she is a "stand by your man" woman. Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at May 30, 2011 02:12 PM (NtTkA) --------------------------------------------------- There you have it, boys. Consider random rearranging of the "seating of your penis" in your underwear to throw off the defense/divorce lawyers. No. Seriously.

138 Just wait 'till someone offers the pron chick a ton of money. Then she'll start talking, and all hell will break loose. I hope.

Posted by: Joejm65 at May 30, 2011 02:18 PM (syDFX)

i bet we see the pron chick on Fox soon......

139 Calling Weiner a sexual predator is out of line. He's an arrogant prick with power who thinks he can do whatever he wants with women. ---------------------------------------------------- So we should call him................Keith Olbermann?

140 139 i bet we see the pron chick on Fox soon......>>>>>>>>> As an interviewee or as an employee? :-)

141 Flash:

Bill OReilly will feature Tonya Reiman to determine the body language of the weiner pic.

142 Bill OReilly will feature Tonya Reiman to determine the body language of the weiner pic.

LOL!

143

144 "The existence of a shopped photo doesn't exonerate anything"

I disagree.  One ounce of fakery exposed in this story and it's over.

Here's the biggest red flag that's been nagging me:  why isn't there actual copies of this photo all over the place by now instead of the screencap?  I certainly understand making the screencap (to show the twitter account) but how hard is it to do a right-click>Save on the image itself?  Seems obvious to do that but perhaps I give myself too much credit.

145 He took a silly photo of
His junk in cotton gray
Then hit the @t instead of D
And ruined his holiday

It did not wind up in her box
As he had first intended
Instead it roamed the cyber world
His quiet time was ended

But he will sore endure the test
Emerging burnt but whole
And find a comely lass to tweet
And waggle his small pole

146 I disagree.  One ounce of fakery exposed in this story and it's over.

So the DNC has motive to fabricate a fake and throw it out there. 

147 143Bill OReilly will feature Tonya Reiman to determine the body language of the weiner pic.

LOL!

Posted by: Clueless at May 30, 2011 02:25 PM (piMMO)

I keep asking... can't we call it a Tallywhacker?

148 " If it does turn out he has contacted the authorities and told no one it will not sit well with lots of people. "

If he wants to make us all look stupid after being innocently accused, it's a boon for him:  Sympathy, the evil rethug card, the dirty tricksters card, maybe even through in some antisemitism to sweeten the pot.  Perhaps you forget who we are dealing with here.

Does Trump ever outlive the birth certificate?  This'll be worse.

149 Any examination of a the photo at this point is usless. Without it being in place on the Yfrog account there is no way discount manipulation of the data.

Here's the biggest red flag that's been nagging me:  why isn't there actual copies of this photo all over the place by now instead of the screencap?  I certainly understand making the screencap (to show the twitter account) but how hard is it to do a right-click>Save on the image itself?  Seems obvious to do that but perhaps I give myself too much credit.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 30, 2011 02:31 PM (+Uv5V)

There's no copies because it was only up very briefly, minutes I believe. Without the retweet there would be nothing.

150 149 Does Trump ever outlive the birth certificate?  This'll be worse. Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 30, 2011 02:35 PM (+Uv5V) No, I disagree. There's only one question here - did Weenie tweet the pic, or not? There's either a hacker, or there isn't. That's the only issue that needs to be resolved. If there's a hacker, then prosecute the he'll out of him/her. If there isn't, then Weenie is a liar. And, IMO, it should be a fairly easy question to answer, if Weenie wants it answered. If he doesn't want it answered, then all of the side show stuff is a smoke screen.

151 Does Trump ever outlive the birth certificate?  This'll be worse.


We aren't a Presidential candidate and he's already apparently lied once (by saying he didn't know her).  If this turns out to bull---t, I'm happy to do what he'd never do: offer him an apology.  In the meantime, even if this turns out to be wrong, there's more than enough ground to question his story.

152 Brian in New Orleans, if you're not a Lefty troll, you're certainly proving your bonafides as a useful idiot for the Left. The evidence appears to show that the Right had nothing to do with this incident, though, like many liberals have done the past couple of days online, you seem to want to put the onus on conservatives to provide evidence of the supposed Twitter account hacking. We're just observers asking for Weiner to provide real evidence of his accusation. Your desire to act like Dan Rather and Chris Matthews by pretending to provide unbiased analysis and ask questions when all you're doing is shifting the blame away from the liberal Rep. Weiner to conservative observers is aggravating. If you want to act like this, perhaps you have a future as a reporter for some Left-leaning media outlet.

Weiner is the one that claims his Twitter account was hacked. People and businesses that have Twitter accounts, as well as those who are financially invested in Twitter, have every right to know whether Twitter was hacked in this instance and thus their own accounts can be hacked by others since it could have extreme negative consequences for them. As an elected government official, Weiner has the responsibility to provide real evidence of the hacking or at least ask for an investigation so that the perpetrator(s) can be found and perhaps additional security measures can be instituted on Twitter.  If Weiner doesn't do any of this, I think the clear-thinking public will know the real answer to whether his account was actually hacked or not.

153 If he wants to make us all look stupid after being innocently accused, it's a boon for him: Sympathy, the evil rethug card, the dirty tricksters card, maybe even through in some antisemitism to sweeten the pot. Perhaps you forget who we are dealing with here.

Does Trump ever outlive the birth certificate? This'll be worse.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 30, 2011 02:35 PM

Oh I haven't forgotten who were dealing with but I doubt his family etc. are going to be thrilled if what you say is true.  The Weenie may act all big and evil but I bet his new wife rules the roost.  She's part of Hillary's inner circle and she ain't lovin' her some 'let's mess with the Conservative media while I make you look foolish' meme.  As for sympathy, it will only come from his base so why bother?  Besides this isn't just about the pic.  What about those high school girls he's followed?  What about the pron star?  Why would he open all that just to get a few digs in?  Nope, too many variables in this mess to make it worth his taking a chance.

154 " Without the retweet there would be nothing."

But does the retweet contain a copy of the image, a copy of the screenshot or just a link to an image immediately deleted from the source (yFrog)?  If it was a copy of the actual photo there wouldn't be a shortage of them.  That's kinda my point.

155 "He's done this before. Just wait 'till someone offers the pron chick a ton of money."

Wait for an offer?  Do you think Larry Flint (or the like) would mind being solicited with such a pic last week? The Enquirier?  Such an image is easily worth $150-250k to them.

That's another red flag.  I won't believe Weiner is a serial dicpictweeter to coeds and nobody has spoken up previously.

156 If he wants to make us all look stupid after being innocently accused, it's a boon for him:  Sympathy, the evil rethug card, the dirty tricksters card, maybe even through in some antisemitism to sweeten the pot.  Perhaps you forget who we are dealing with here.

Does Trump ever outlive the birth certificate?  This'll be worse.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 30, 2011 02:35 PM (+Uv5V)

There's seem to be one thing you are forgetting which I think makes analysis of the pic moot anyway. Nowhere, and despite a number of statements from Weiner, does he dispute the idea the dic pic in question is in fact Weiner. Points out he was hacked but not that the pic isn't him? Nor is he contending that his phone itself was hacked so the only way the pic gets to Yfrog is if he puts it there. If this pic was meant for his wife he could have sent it phone to phone. there is no need to upload it anywhere. Why was a pic of Weiner's wiener conveniently in place for the hacker's to use?

He isn't coming off clean here.

157 155 " Without the retweet there would be nothing." But does the retweet contain a copy of the image, a copy of the screenshot or just a link to an image immediately deleted from the source (yFrog)?  If it was a copy of the actual photo there wouldn't be a shortage of them.  That's kinda my point.>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand your point. And, if an investigation shows that Weenie's account wasn't hacked, then what difference does the photo details make? Weenie himself DM'd a doctored photo?

158 "Brian in New Orleans, if you're not a Lefty troll, you're certainly proving your bonafides as a useful idiot for the Left."

Fuck off.  I really am sorry if my thoughts don't reinforce the predetermined conclusion you drew from total inference and zero reliable facts.

That's what they do.

159 158-  I'm just suspicious that there aren't actual copies of the image itself out there instead of the screencap and hate to see people I agree politically with potentially fall in a damaging trap.

160 I just got big time pizzed reading the NY Daily News article and the commenters. How hard it is to just accept the simple...go with Occam's Razor? You guys are far more tech savvy than most, and you've thrown out lots of things to consider, but nothing better than just the simple facts. Plus the fact that he's not denying it's his teenie weenie. Coasters think they're so sophisticated, but really, they're kinda dumb.

161 Iowahawk has spoken...the hacker must be brought to justice!

http://tinyurl.com/3k7v6qh

162 161 I just got big time pizzed reading the NY Daily News article and the commenters. How hard it is to just accept the simple>>>>>>>>>>>> NY Daily News is a liberal rag, and it attracts liberal readers. Nothing is simple when it comes to NY liberals....

163 I cannot believe people posting here are giving any thought at all to the 'hacker' crap.  "I'm leaning towards Weiner sending the pic"

Really?

Dude.  We KNOW he sent the pic.  There's no argument here.  Don't allow the left to get into your head.  <facepalm>

The resolution doesn't matter btw.  I've had a blackberry and they take TERRIBLE pics at the high resolution.. especially if you or anything else moves while taking the pic.  If someone were to want to take a good and sharp pic of say... their weiner, which he'd have to take blind - with no viewfinder, they'd reduce the resolution.  Also most apps that handle pics will change resolution automatically to make them more internet friendly when uploading.  Case closed

164 158-  I'm just suspicious that there aren't actual copies of the image itself out there instead of the screencap and hate to see people I agree politically with potentially fall in a damaging trap.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 30, 2011 03:19 PM (lHn6+)

There's nothing to be suspicious about. The tweet contained a link to the pic. Wolfe saw link, clicked on it and went to Yfrog. There he saw, as is typical of pics sites, a smaller version of the pic which would lead to a larger one when clicked on. Wolfe retweeted and by then the pic was gone. At least that's my understanding. I doubt anyone who received the retweet could even have viewed the pic. Now it's possible one of Weiner's many followers saw the pic too and downloaded. But considering the short time it was up, and that it's likely no one was following closely on a holiday weekend, that no one got to save it.

165 159 "Brian in New Orleans, if you're not a Lefty troll, you're certainly proving your bonafides as a useful idiot for the Left."

Fuck off.  I really am sorry if my thoughts don't reinforce the predetermined conclusion you drew from total inference and zero reliable facts.

That's what they do.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 30, 2011 03:15 PM (lHn6+)

Same to you, buddy. I didn't resort to such angry, childish, troll-like retorts with my response, did I?  If you don't like what I'm saying, either learn to respond like a responsible person or simply ignore it. You're the one that's going out of your way on this topic to attract attention to your views on this matter by ignoring much of the actual evidence that exists and posting contrarian views based on nothing but wishful thinking.

BTW, where did I post anything remotely close to "predetermined conclusions" that I "drew from total inference and zero reliable facts"? Where? I thought the second paragraph of my post you selectively quoted from properly explained my views on the issue. Yet, you threw a temper tantrum like a troll.

Let me just say that you proved my point. Your response was the type of response one expects from trolls.  You swear at me, then falsely accuse me of doing something I have not done. Once again, if you're not a Lefty troll, you're certainly proving your bonafides as a useful idiot for the Left.

166 156 That's another red flag.  I won't believe Weiner is a serial dicpictweeter to coeds and nobody has spoken up previously.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 30, 2011 03:12 PM (lHn6+)

Enough already with the Devil's advocate act. Serial behavior on the part of celebrities and public officials often occurs in the background long before the public becomes aware. Although it was much more egregious behavior than tweeting a picture like Weiner is accused of doing, IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Arnold Schwarzeneggar engaged in their abhorrent sexual behavior for years before the public knew about it. This may just be the time Weiner's behavior is finally known by the entire public. But you keep tossing out your "evidence" (e.g., "nobody has spoken up previously") while falsely accusing others, like myself, of engaging in the precise behavior in which you're engaging (i.e., "total inference and zero reliable facts").

167 Oh, come on. Why are we even talking about this? No one, I mean NO ONE, legitimately believes Weiner was hacked. No one believes this. This is about plausible deniability to give people - who know damn well he wasn't hacked - room to ignore something because it's politically damaging otherwise. We have so many ways to ignore the things that fit within our world view, but plausible deniability is one of the biggest. Politics can be so frustrating! People have to pretend there is some intellectual credibility to what they say when all it's ever really about is "how do I get what I want?" or "How do I get to be right?" Ugh. Of course he wasn't hacked! We give this stuff way more credence than it deserves.

168 This is pretty much what I said would happen yesterday once someone got a copy of the actual photo. There is a treasure trove of metadata in photos these days.  Here is wiener using his blackberry: http://tinyurl.com/3hl6g96

169 For the love of God, Chuck, send us a sign in the form of a flashing superimposition, so that we can know what is the truth!

170 Hoping, praying this Hall Of Fame Asshole, Weiner loses it all. Congressman, wife, future, poof. He's a nasty fucker with a "little big man" syndrome.

171 “We’ve retained counsel to explore the proper next steps and to advise us on what civil or criminal actions should be taken,” Weiner spokesman Dave Arnold said in an email. “

So Ace was right. Weiner is not contacting and has contacted the law. he's using his own private counsel.

172 I know that if someone hacked my account,  I would not call it a "prank" and I would not hire counsel.  I would call the police.

173 ace -- He sent of dic pic. But was it his junk? If I was doing that, knowing myself *ahem*, I'd probably grab a pic of someone else's off the Internet, y'know? If it turns out not to be taken by his BB, that means nothing, other than that he's ashamed of his... wiener.

174
Here's the biggest red flag that's been nagging me:  why isn't there actual copies of this photo all over the place by now instead of the screencap?  I certainly understand making the screencap (to show the twitter account) but how hard is it to do a right-click>Save on the image itself?  Seems obvious to do that but perhaps I give myself too much credit.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 30, 2011 02:31 PM

Sorry if this has been answered in the interim, but this is interesting. On the other hand, it could simply be that it never occurred to patriotusa76 to do this. He might not be as tech-savvy as all that.

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