January 12, 2011
— Ace If, like me, you were just thinking, "Hey, he's keeping the focus on the victims, that's good" (and by good I mean awful, because they were real living people, once), brace yourself, he's about to turn bad.
He doesn't so much make accusations as continue to pander to deranged leftists who insist that Sarah Palin is an accomplice to murder. But who knows -- given that the left is now determined to avenge the shootings via some eliminationist rhetoric and possibly actions of their own, maybe it's helpful and will save lives.
If he wants to make the left understand I mean you too he has to say so though, because of course otherwise they assume they can do no wrong.
"We cannot use this occasion as one more reason to turn on each other." Nice thought, but I sure hope that at some point the word goes out I mean the left too.
No... I tried to give him a break, but it's the heavy implication this was a political attack (why else all the emphasis on disagreeing without being disagreeable?).
Yup, trying to run the Bill Clinton 1995 playbook.
Question: Why did he stage this yet again at a college? I know that's where he prefers to campaign, but, um, this wasn't supposed to be a campaign event.
Why was the audience filled with people entirely unconnected to the victims? Was it an accident these people were college students? I.e., Obama fans?
All the audience cheering? What?
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Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 12, 2011 05:08 PM (I9ArI)
Have the oceans stopped rising yet?
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 05:09 PM (QInp2)
Posted by: marty at January 12, 2011 05:10 PM (myYbj)
Yes, Barak, can be pleasant , why sending his goons to do the dirty work. Media, unions, etc, same old story. since He ran for Presidency. Both sides of the mouth applies here.
also media . I'd just like to say, You're a cheap date. and i wonder how you sleep at night.
Posted by: willow at January 12, 2011 05:10 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:10 PM (eCAn3)
Have the oceans stopped rising yet?
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 09:09 PM (QInp2)"
They might have, but now they are full of all our vomit.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 12, 2011 05:10 PM (cQfrc)
Posted by: Obama at January 12, 2011 05:10 PM (I9ArI)
Have the oceans stopped rising yet?
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 09:09 PMThat reminds me, I've gotta get more beer.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 05:10 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:11 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: marty at January 12, 2011 09:10 PM (myYbj)
Think of this as Human Target 2.
Posted by: TexasJew at January 12, 2011 05:11 PM (u7MHs)
Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 05:11 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:11 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: Ace's server at January 12, 2011 05:11 PM (yCH89)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 05:11 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:11 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: willow at January 12, 2011 05:12 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 12, 2011 05:12 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 12, 2011 05:12 PM (EiH7n)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 12, 2011 05:12 PM (DPM1U)
Posted by: Frank G at January 12, 2011 05:12 PM (4X0aT)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at January 12, 2011 05:12 PM (psCad)
Posted by: FUBAR at January 12, 2011 05:12 PM (McG46)
Posted by: momma at January 12, 2011 05:12 PM (penCf)
Posted by: Every fucking liberal reporter in the MSM at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (w/gVZ)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: Count de Monet (40% evil) and quoter of Clark Griswold at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (XBM1t)
Posted by: Retread at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (okCHU)
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (F+Y9Z)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (psCad)
Posted by: marty at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (myYbj)
You just know Barry is all, "Shit, get my on my jet back home."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (QInp2)
Posted by: mark x at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (ExizH)
The NY Times will be excited, and Chris has that ole tingle back.
Pandering Bullshit. As I said before why this happen is no mystery.
A fucking insane pot smoking 9/11 truth-er PLANNED to kill this women for TWO years.
I guess he channeled Sarah in his dreams.
Posted by: Kemp at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: Malia at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (M8kyh)
Posted by: lauren at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (BwC1j)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 12, 2011 05:13 PM (cQfrc)
Posted by: Barbarian at January 12, 2011 09:12 PM (EL+OC)
If ever there was an occasion for weeping, it's this clusterfuck.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at January 12, 2011 05:14 PM (F+Y9Z)
Posted by: BHO at January 12, 2011 05:14 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: jjshaka at January 12, 2011 05:14 PM (4YYCH)
Posted by: DM! at January 12, 2011 05:14 PM (O0Qwy)
Posted by: Steph at January 12, 2011 05:14 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: B. Hussein Obama (D) Consoler-In-Chief at January 12, 2011 05:15 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Wellstone's Corpse at January 12, 2011 05:15 PM (yCH89)
Posted by: Frank G at January 12, 2011 05:15 PM (4X0aT)
Not watching but was it Christian scripture or some *other* kind? Either way I'm annoyed.
BTW, Iowahawk on fire tonight on twitter
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 05:15 PM (+Z6ve)
He is talking about that beautiful child with no emotion at all (though he is trying to fake it)
Posted by: momma at January 12, 2011 05:15 PM (penCf)
Posted by: Retread at January 12, 2011 05:15 PM (okCHU)
You just know Barry is all, "Shit, get my on my jet back home."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 09:13 PM (UOM4
Dunno, Jane. Arizona has some nice golf courses.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 12, 2011 05:15 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2011 05:15 PM (DLxD/)
Posted by: Obama at January 12, 2011 05:16 PM (I9ArI)
Aaaand Matthews just blew his wad......
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 12, 2011 05:16 PM (MI6qF)
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 05:16 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:16 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 12, 2011 05:16 PM (u7MHs)
Posted by: Wellstone's Corpse at January 12, 2011 09:15 PM
How do you think I feel?
Posted by: Obama's white grandmother at January 12, 2011 05:16 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: Ren Hoek, Salesman Extraordinaire at January 12, 2011 05:16 PM (pGEoS)
_________________________
yeah, he's close to reaching bottom, but I have faith he can go lower ...
Posted by: mark x at January 12, 2011 05:16 PM (ExizH)
No, he is fucking up by going to a fundraiser. Seriously BAD taste. Not a good start. Tone dead?
http://tinyurl.com/4oz4mow
Posted by: Kemp at January 12, 2011 05:17 PM (JpFM9)
If I had a dead child or family member in Tucson, I'd be weeping from embarrassment and disgust.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 05:17 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Patrick at January 12, 2011 05:17 PM (vw0I1)
Posted by: Count de Monet (40% evil) and quoter of Clark Griswold at January 12, 2011 05:17 PM (XBM1t)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 12, 2011 05:17 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: Berserker at January 12, 2011 05:17 PM (gWHrG)
Cf. 1.) Reagan, Challenger Speech
2.) Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
3.) Lincoln, Second Inaugural Address
Etc.
You may well mean here, but we get the point and people will tune out after a while.
Posted by: AD at January 12, 2011 05:17 PM (9r1ux)
Posted by: Retread at January 12, 2011 05:17 PM (okCHU)
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at January 12, 2011 05:17 PM (F+Y9Z)
No, he is fucking up by going to a fundraiser. Seriously BAD taste. Not a good start. Tone dead?
http://tinyurl.com/4oz4mow
Posted by: Kemp at January 12, 2011 09:17 PM (JpFM9)
You again with this stupid shit..
Posted by: TexasJew at January 12, 2011 05:17 PM (u7MHs)
Posted by: CDR M at January 12, 2011 09:15 PM
I'm happy to say No!
Posted by: Mickey Mouse at January 12, 2011 05:18 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at January 12, 2011 05:18 PM (F+Y9Z)
I dunno. I think he was smart not to go to this thing. It's basically a bad taste fundraiser.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 12, 2011 05:18 PM (oNQkO)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 12, 2011 05:18 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:18 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: lauren at January 12, 2011 05:18 PM (BwC1j)
Posted by: momma at January 12, 2011 05:18 PM (penCf)
Posted by: Sulfuric Acid at January 12, 2011 05:18 PM (czcue)
DrewMTips The President did a masterful job of taming that crowd and getting the service on a proper footing.
Posted by: Carol Burnett at January 12, 2011 05:18 PM (VuLos)
Posted by: t-bird at January 12, 2011 05:18 PM (M8kyh)
Posted by: Chuck at January 12, 2011 05:18 PM (dSkY8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:19 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 05:19 PM (+Z6ve)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 05:19 PM (UOM48)
fuck all those people.
I would like to hear an interview from the families of those who died about their impressions of the event.
Posted by: NC Ref at January 12, 2011 05:19 PM (/izg2)
Remember, the appropriate response now is, "Go fuck yourself".
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at January 12, 2011 05:19 PM (HpT9p)
Posted by: Duff Man at January 12, 2011 05:19 PM (1CF0Z)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 12, 2011 09:17 PM
Oh, thanks for reminding me.
Posted by: Your Speechifier-in- at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (K/7kM)
http://tinyurl.com/4oz4mow
Posted by: Kemp at January 12, 2011 09:17 PM (JpFM9)
No, he was smart to stay as far away from this clusterfark as possible.
Posted by: Steph at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: The Q at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (5qBd2)
Posted by: joeindc44@aol.com at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (Du09Y)
http://tinyurl.com/4oz4mow
Posted by: Kemp at January 12, 2011 09:17 PM (JpFM9)
you really want Boehner associated with this? really?
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: eman at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (0aJSF)
Posted by: barack hussein obama at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 09:19 PM (tJjm/)
Just like Mary Jo, knowing something good would come of it.
Posted by: NPR-tard at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (I9ArI)
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (F+Y9Z)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 12, 2011 05:20 PM (MI6qF)
Posted by: AmishDude (watching without sound) at January 12, 2011 05:21 PM (BvBKY)
Was a little girl involved somehow? He really didn't address that.
Posted by: Steve L. at January 12, 2011 05:21 PM (/7n/7)
Posted by: fluffy of the third category at January 12, 2011 05:21 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: Daniel Tosh at January 12, 2011 05:21 PM (ZUFNn)
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 05:21 PM (QInp2)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 05:21 PM (czcue)
It really should be a moment of rousing cheers.
Posted by: lauren at January 12, 2011 05:21 PM (BwC1j)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:21 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at January 12, 2011 05:21 PM (F+Y9Z)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 12, 2011 05:21 PM (u7MHs)
Posted by: AD at January 12, 2011 05:22 PM (9r1ux)
Posted by: Retread at January 12, 2011 05:22 PM (okCHU)
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 05:22 PM (QInp2)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:22 PM (tJjm/)
I certainly applaud them for finally figuring out it might be inappropriate to clap at that moment....
Posted by: Derak at January 12, 2011 05:22 PM (CjpKH)
Posted by: Chuck at January 12, 2011 05:22 PM (dSkY8)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 09:21 PM
The Tucson Massacre Memorial Singers?
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 05:22 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: hutch1200 at January 12, 2011 05:23 PM (yGCzV)
Posted by: Count de Monet (40% evil) and quoter of Clark Griswold at January 12, 2011 05:23 PM (XBM1t)
Posted by: CHAOS at January 12, 2011 05:23 PM (8uDC8)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 12, 2011 05:23 PM (u7MHs)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:23 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 05:23 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Retread at January 12, 2011 05:23 PM (okCHU)
Posted by: Elderly Choir at January 12, 2011 05:23 PM (DPM1U)
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 12, 2011 05:23 PM (x9xik)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 05:23 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Penny the Moocher at January 12, 2011 05:23 PM (ph9vn)
Posted by: fluffy of the third category at January 12, 2011 05:24 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: AD at January 12, 2011 09:22 PM
All you folks at home, follow the bouncing ball!
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 05:24 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 12, 2011 05:24 PM (u7MHs)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 09:21 PM
The Tucson Massacre Memorial Singers?
_______________________________
CDs available in the lobby for $9.99
Posted by: mark x at January 12, 2011 05:24 PM (ExizH)
Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 05:24 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:24 PM (tJjm/)
WOW we do really havea moron president (oh no, that is an insult to the morons) I was expecting a memorial service not a political rally. WTF is going on...
Posted by: Gloria J at January 12, 2011 05:25 PM (1ZXRm)
I dunno. I think he was smart not to go to this thing. It's basically a bad taste fundraiser.
I disagree, but in a non threaten manner. The media will be all over him and we don't need that shit now. I do like the fact that he is raising money to kick Steele's ass!
Posted by: Kemp at January 12, 2011 05:25 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: JP at January 12, 2011 05:25 PM (+hVrU)
Posted by: Steph at January 12, 2011 05:25 PM (KqBTY)
Been trying to work out the "moral imagination" thing.
So apparently that Sheriff Dipshit's moral imagination is different from the Arizona state legislature that passed the controversial immigration law.
Therefore his stated refusal to enforce it is okey-dokey.
As a law enforcement officer he can pick and choose the laws he wants to enforce because his moral imagination is different.
Right?
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 05:25 PM (QInp2)
Posted by: MFM at January 12, 2011 05:25 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: marty at January 12, 2011 05:25 PM (myYbj)
Posted by: Chip Monck at January 12, 2011 05:25 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 05:25 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: Frank G at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (4X0aT)
Posted by: David Frum at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (MadRw)
And "Another One Bites the Dust" as the shovel the dirt over the coffin.
Posted by: ¤§EZB§¤ at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (fa9yq)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: yambles at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (rxaXW)
Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 09:23 PM (AZGON)
See Ed's twitter feed. Already been praised. Allahpussy hasn't gotten around to it yet.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (F+Y9Z)
The whole NRO crowd has been praising it on twitter.
You'd think by now they have figured out he's good at reading words other people write...
Tomorrow he'll be back to telling SEIU to stomp those damn teabaggers.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (4ucxv)
He is an active duty Capt in the US Navy and a flight commander on the US Space Shuttle due to command the next mission to the international space station.
I wonder what he thinks of the Obama administrations initiative to castrate the space program.
Posted by: Leatherneck at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (faQpJ)
Posted by: Barak Obama at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (tJjm/)
Gettysburg address, about two minutes, roughly 200 words.
Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (paOeu)
Posted by: Cheesecakecrush at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (//GG+)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 09:22 PM (tJjm/)
Just wait 'til you see the 10th anniversary fireworks spectacular!
(Don't worry, it'll be verrrrrrry tasteful)
Posted by: Imam Obama and Honorary Imam Bloomberg at January 12, 2011 05:26 PM (I9ArI)
Christine Green jumps in them now
Together we thrive
Posted by: Too soon? at January 12, 2011 09:22 PM (6fER6)
I love me some haiku but ... I'm thinking yes - too soon.
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 05:27 PM (QInp2)
Tacky.
Posted by: Kemp at January 12, 2011 05:27 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: Holger at January 12, 2011 05:28 PM (YxGud)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:28 PM (tJjm/)
Uh, he probably just came from the hospital?
Posted by: DM! at January 12, 2011 05:28 PM (O0Qwy)
Now I know how she felt.
Only now? I've been ashamed of this country since November 4, 2008.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 12, 2011 05:29 PM (c0A3e)
You'd think by now they have figured out he's good at reading words other people write...
Tomorrow he'll be back to telling SEIU to stomp those damn teabaggers.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 12, 2011 09:26 PM (4ucxv)\
Stephen Hayes praised it....ugh.
Posted by: Tami at January 12, 2011 05:29 PM (VuLos)
Posted by: hutch1200 at January 12, 2011 05:29 PM (yGCzV)
Posted by: Spike at January 12, 2011 05:29 PM (WLxeI)
Posted by: Captain Obvious at January 12, 2011 05:29 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 05:29 PM (+Z6ve)
Posted by: logprof at January 12, 2011 05:29 PM (A+6fk)
no one should have went to this soul-sucking abomination...
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 05:29 PM (yCH89)
We need to get serious about the primary.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 05:29 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 12, 2011 05:29 PM (olKiY)
Drew, reading you on Twitter.
Glad you liked the speech *reaches for trash can to puke*
He's the most disingenuous POS to be giving that particular speech. See 137
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 12, 2011 05:29 PM (MI6qF)
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 05:30 PM (+Z6ve)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 05:30 PM (6ftzF)
Posted by: Timbo at January 12, 2011 05:30 PM (ph9vn)
Posted by: hui at January 12, 2011 05:30 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 05:30 PM (AZGON)
hey charles, they're a product of his politics and his belief system. it ain't that hard to figure out.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:30 PM (eCAn3)
It's the CONTEXT that rankles. The setting is...gauche. And none of us trusts Obama one iota after what the left has thrown at us.
But failing to acknowledge that the speech, as written, is actually pretty decent...we're going to be out on an island on that one.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 05:31 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at January 12, 2011 05:31 PM (paOeu)
209 Why isn't the congress woman's husband wearing his military uniform?
Why is he there?
This is a memorial service. She's NOT DEAD.
Oh, and if you can tell by my nick, I didn't hear it and it was total acting. No genuine emotion at all.
I mean none.
Posted by: AmishDude (watching without sound) at January 12, 2011 05:31 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: yambles at January 12, 2011 05:31 PM (rxaXW)
Posted by: bdawg65 at January 12, 2011 05:31 PM (K6NaL)
/get to it, boys!
Posted by: 7 Chinese Spammers at January 12, 2011 05:31 PM (hCQG5)
I really wanted him to do it right. But that was asking too much from this guy and his side.
And this disgraceful display dishonored a lot of people who died tragically and all of their families.
Posted by: nickless at January 12, 2011 05:31 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Emanuelle Goldstein at January 12, 2011 05:32 PM (dhVwM)
Kemp, you keep calling this a 'memorial'.
Clearly you didn't watch.
All that was missing was the t-shirt rocket launcher and the hippy douchetools hackey-sacking in the arena.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 12, 2011 05:32 PM (MI6qF)
Yeah, Fox News has such vitriolic hatred of Obama. Oh wait...
All I'm hearing is 'brilliant rhetorical approach', 'amazing', 'inspiring'
Posted by: Paper at January 12, 2011 05:32 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 05:32 PM (p302b)
anybody still want to think this guy is not losing his nuts?
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 12, 2011 05:32 PM (cQfrc)
Posted by: The Q at January 12, 2011 05:32 PM (5qBd2)
The media will be all over him no matter what he does. He can't care about them.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 12, 2011 05:32 PM (oNQkO)
Anyone who has ever mourned the dead should feel aghast at tonight's depravity and disconnect.
Posted by: Unruly at January 12, 2011 05:32 PM (LL4jH)
Posted by: The Grammar Made Me Do It at January 12, 2011 05:33 PM (UqJ8A)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 05:33 PM (6ftzF)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 12, 2011 05:33 PM (DPM1U)
Exactly...if he actually meant that stuff he read about civility, he would have said it three days ago.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 12, 2011 05:33 PM (4ucxv)
But the speech's actual text? No, we're straining too hard, reading extratextual shit into the words, if we try to dump on it. It'll just look really cold-hearted on our part. Let's not be that stupid.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 05:33 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: palin steele at January 12, 2011 05:33 PM (A+6fk)
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 05:33 PM (+Z6ve)
Brit Hume: 'It was a memorial service.'
Brit, did you miss the first thirty minutes? Do the words 'eagle feather' mean anything to you?
Posted by: Paper at January 12, 2011 05:34 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: eman at January 12, 2011 05:34 PM (0aJSF)
Posted by: yambles at January 12, 2011 05:34 PM (rxaXW)
Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 05:34 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2011 09:26 PM (TMB3S)
Looks to be America's version of Princess Di's death, when the British, who used to be defined by their decorum, descended into crass, classless, look-at-me exhibitionist, sensationalist 'grieving.' But even they didn't have commemorative t-shirts.
Posted by: Adrian at January 12, 2011 05:34 PM (1nAkE)
We each mourn in our own way. Oh, hand me my bra, would you?
Posted by: Denise (sister of Nicole) Brown at January 12, 2011 05:34 PM (K/7kM)
Did "this event" referred to the pep rally?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 12, 2011 05:34 PM (4ucxv)
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 09:31 PM (NjYDy)
Not like it would be the first time since this shitstain took office.
Posted by: Steph at January 12, 2011 05:34 PM (KqBTY)
Classy!!
I understand we don't have the technology yet to animate the dead for a few minutes, have them stand up, salute Obama and then wave good-bye...but what about holographs like the end of Star Wars.
That's the only thing that was missing. Maybe on the DVD...
Posted by: Canadian Infidel at January 12, 2011 05:34 PM (GKQDR)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 05:35 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 05:35 PM (+Z6ve)
But.. Obama didnt write it.
The memorial/rock concert... was totally inappropriate. It was disgraceful.
It should have been somber. Not a cheer fest for people who are being buried tomorrow.
That native American thing was so surreal and retarded.... It was bound to go downhill after that.
Posted by: Timbo at January 12, 2011 05:35 PM (ph9vn)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:35 PM (tJjm/)
I am not surprised.
Fox will go out of their way to make sure they look appreciative.
Don't give the trolls shit to mess with them.
Posted by: Kemp at January 12, 2011 05:35 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: RushBabe at January 12, 2011 05:35 PM (urYpw)
Posted by: bdawg65 at January 12, 2011 05:36 PM (K6NaL)
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 12, 2011 05:36 PM (o3bYL)
Posted by: cackfinger at January 12, 2011 05:36 PM (HpG1y)
Was it an accident these people were college students? I.e., Obama fans?"
We're not all like that! Swear!!
Posted by: wheaton at January 12, 2011 05:36 PM (FSdiI)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 05:36 PM (6ftzF)
You know how some people drone on about 'morality'? Just use your imagination and come up with whatever you think is moral. Moral imagination!
Right?
Posted by: Paper at January 12, 2011 05:36 PM (VoSja)
Kraut's carrying Huck.a.bee's water...not in a literal sense, of course. Huck will be the uniter (or, untier, for us dyslexic types) on the Repub side. I'll be drunk for the next 20 months.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 12, 2011 05:36 PM (DPM1U)
Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at January 12, 2011 09:31 PM
Yeah, well, those new EPA regs are a bitch. Fkrs made ME apply for a permit!
Posted by: God at January 12, 2011 05:36 PM (/izg2)
It makes me wonder why there aren't more of these killings. I mean if Sarah Palin and Fox News words are so powerful and dangerous then why don't more crazy people do this?
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (QInp2)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (cQfrc)
Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (AZGON)
Ok Obama I'll expand my moral "imagination" if you expand yours. You go first. (What does that even mean?)
Dunno. Get back to me in about 15 minutes.
Posted by: laceyunderalls reaching for the bong at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (MI6qF)
Posted by: A Doctor at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (yCH89)
Posted by: tangonine at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (x3YFz)
even CNN and MSNBC aren't as gushing as fox tonight
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 09:33 PM (NjYDy)
oh yes the text was great. did you actually watch the scheister that delivered it? I've seen blocks of Velveeta cheese that were more fucking sincere and believable.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (eCAn3)
I knew the would at some point! From Mark Knoller on Twitter:
"As the Obamas continue the goodbyes, the public address system plays John Lennon's "Imagine".
Posted by: Annabelle at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (4kxCX)
Posted by: university of los suns at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (MadRw)
Posted by: Retread at January 12, 2011 05:37 PM (okCHU)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:38 PM (tJjm/)
Ft Hood speech: 14 minutes.
This speech: 34 minutes.
Chris Wallace on FOX talked compared this speech to Reagan's after Challenger, Clinton's after Oklahoma City, and Bush's after 9-11. Nothjing about Onbama's own after Ft Hood.
Draw your own conclusions.
Posted by: Sgt at January 12, 2011 05:38 PM (qMJOS)
Posted by: Paper at January 12, 2011 05:38 PM (VoSja)
I'm just thankful I didn't watch or listen to a word from this pep rally.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 05:38 PM (UOM48)
Why do so many ostensibly on "our side" feel the need to fellate the President?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 12, 2011 05:38 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Trish at January 12, 2011 05:38 PM (yqhkv)
Posted by: Dan at January 12, 2011 05:38 PM (mXBxH)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 12, 2011 05:38 PM (pQ+9I)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:38 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: AmishDude (watching without sound) at January 12, 2011 05:39 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: lauren at January 12, 2011 05:39 PM (BwC1j)
Yes, really. Exactly this, in fact. You may believe with all your heart that this is what he *REALLY* means...in fact, I might kinda sorta buy that too. But try making that argument to the public at large. You will get slapped down so fucking hard, so fast, your head will spin. Which is what is happening to the left right now after trying to pin this crap on "extreme Right wing rhetoric."
That is proving to be an Epic Fail maneuver for them, and I'd appreciate it if we didn't jump in feet-first with our own Grinch-like fuckup.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 05:39 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 12, 2011 05:39 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: bowel movement at January 12, 2011 05:39 PM (Mul5k)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:39 PM (tJjm/)
Okay, so we know he's going to continue to be a wild success as a campaigner. He will capture the youth vote and the guilty whites.
Let us plan accordingly.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 05:40 PM (K/7kM)
Brit Hume finally called it a pep rally.
And then followed it up with...The City probably needed something like that.
I want to cry.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 12, 2011 05:40 PM (MI6qF)
They don't want to get arrested for "hate speech"?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 12, 2011 05:40 PM (4ucxv)
Posted by: logprof at January 12, 2011 05:40 PM (A+6fk)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:40 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: lauren at January 12, 2011 05:41 PM (BwC1j)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 05:41 PM (6ftzF)
Posted by: AmishDude (watching without sound) at January 12, 2011 05:41 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 09:39 PM (tJjm/)
Nope. Just a rally for Ocommie.
Posted by: tangonine at January 12, 2011 05:41 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 05:41 PM (UOM48)
Back to the gay intern. Fow News loved the gay intern.
Posted by: Paper at January 12, 2011 05:42 PM (VoSja)
Attack, claim the middle ground. Attack, claim the middle ground.
For some dumbass reason, the right just forgives them and moves on each time, ceding territory.
Hey, dumbasses, it's one thing to forgive a druggie who robs your house, it's another to do it after they rob your house for the 20th time in a row.
"We really won 2000," "No WMDs," and "I can see Russia from my house" have all become part of their "reality," and now "The Arizona shooting was caused by divisive rhetoric from the right" is part of their "reality" too, because they shout louder and longer and then we forgive them.
It's not a sincere request for forgiveness, people. Damn, they don't even ask anymore, they just assume they have it, and then commit the offense again.
That's why conservative gains are always temporary, because the left is allowed to get away with insane lies and aggression.
Ultimately, the right wants to get along, the left doesn't. That's why the ratchet always moves in their direction.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 12, 2011 05:42 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: West at January 12, 2011 05:42 PM (T+8RC)
Posted by: eman at January 12, 2011 05:42 PM (0aJSF)
this behavior on fox is a direct result of them worrying that something they say, leading up to the o'really interview, would cause the BO camp to take away the interview....
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 05:42 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 09:39 PM
In that case, I'm fine with Fox's assessment. Now we can get back to the issues.
Where's the price of oil heading? Unemployment?
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 05:42 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: ChuckOH at January 12, 2011 05:42 PM (M0kHF)
It's acknowledging the obvious: this was a good speech. All the wishing in the world will not "unmake it so." Look, I wish Obama had gone in there and fallen on his face, or accused conservatives of personally pulling the trigger, or ghoulishly called on us to "tamp down on extreme right wing rhetoric" or somesuch obvious fuck-up. But he didn't. It was a good speech, gracefully written, and the weird/awful optics will be naturally forgiven as something that was out of his control.
When the opposing team scores a goal, you don't get to just pretend that he didn't actually score. You acknowledge it and move on.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 05:42 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 12, 2011 05:43 PM (o3bYL)
That's the only thing that makes sense to me...or maybe the other rightwing commentators are just grateful it wasn't overtly political.
I appreciate the sentiment, okay the speakers' sentiment (the cheering audience...f'k you), but you aren't put off by this?
Posted by: AD at January 12, 2011 05:43 PM (9r1ux)
Posted by: Paper at January 12, 2011 05:43 PM (VoSja)
Fox is long gone. Truly depressing.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 12, 2011 09:39 PM (MI6qF)
This will affect their ratings negatively me thinks.
Posted by: Barbarian at January 12, 2011 05:43 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 05:43 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:44 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 05:44 PM (czcue)
Back to the gay intern. Fow News loved the gay intern.
The Mexican guy is ghey? I thought he might be. That confirmed?
Posted by: Kemp at January 12, 2011 05:44 PM (JpFM9)
Why was the audience filled with people entirely unconnected to the victims? Was it an accident these people were college students? I.e., Obama fans?
All the audience cheering? What?
I'm on leave, no comment.
Posted by: David Axelrod at January 12, 2011 05:44 PM (fQYs2)
Posted by: bowel movement at January 12, 2011 05:44 PM (Mul5k)
By Kratos
I was DISMAYED then. I've been ANGRY for most of the last 2 years. Now, Now I'm ASHAMED of these people and all the others that elected this despicable charlatan to the highest office in this country.
This person smirks and sneers with every breath. He gives people the finger on National TV and these clowns, these sycophants of his LAUGH ABOUT IT.
People are dead because of a lunatic and they are cheering and whooping it up in the audience during a solemn memorial.
THE LEFT HAS NO CLASS.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 12, 2011 05:44 PM (fhTf7)
Posted by: willow at January 12, 2011 05:45 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: That Piercing Sound The Aliens Use In Movies to Paralyze and Subdue Everyone at January 12, 2011 05:45 PM (5I0Yr)
BUT WE LOVE TEH WON!!!
Posted by: U of A (via UC Bezerkley) kidz at January 12, 2011 05:45 PM (5qJM5)
Posted by: grognard at January 12, 2011 05:45 PM (EYVO6)
So we need to find a conservative alternative to Fox? Maybe Fox has become like Californians taking over Oregon...all the comsymps from CNN jumping ship (Dobbs, that MILF on Fox Business with the annoying voice, etc) are infiltrators.
It really stokes the moral imagination.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie, Extra in Breakfast at Tiffany's at January 12, 2011 05:45 PM (DPM1U)
I can't believe he brought up the "Imaginationland" Episode of South Park.
I thought that was totally inappropriate.
Posted by: garrett at January 12, 2011 05:45 PM (F0UPH)
I'm sure Obama will do something in the area, say, of policy that is actually worth complaining about. Why not complain about something substantial?
Posted by: blip at January 12, 2011 05:45 PM (l8Z9Y)
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 12, 2011 05:45 PM (o3bYL)
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 05:45 PM (+Z6ve)
And I bought their vote with t-shirts!
Posted by: Barack Obama at January 12, 2011 05:45 PM (ogc4v)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:45 PM (tJjm/)
Posted by: ChuckOH at January 12, 2011 09:42 PM (M0kHF)
Imagine the beatles sucks. Oh, wait, you don't have to.
Posted by: tangonine at January 12, 2011 05:46 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: ChuckOH at January 12, 2011 09:42 PM (M0kHF)
Apparently there is and it rains there. Hope Oby can get the umbrella through the pearly gates...
Posted by: KZnextzone at January 12, 2011 05:46 PM (qFIcW)
Posted by: t-bird at January 12, 2011 05:46 PM (FcR7P)
If this 'shush up' dressing down by Ailes rumor is true, then I *guess* they can still bring on bloggers to speak the truth of such a shameless spectacle.
Bring on Ingarahm (first and foremost) and Tantaros. They'll break it down.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 12, 2011 05:46 PM (MI6qF)
See! The hate is there. We saw it at SPADES-OF:ACE.
Posted by: The Kos Kids at January 12, 2011 05:46 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 05:46 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Unruly at January 12, 2011 05:46 PM (LL4jH)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 05:46 PM (6ftzF)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:47 PM (eCAn3)
The lengths the MSM goes to protect him, and harm others is simply breathtaking.
Affirmative Action President to the max.
Posted by: pam at January 12, 2011 05:47 PM (uDwml)
Posted by: Evan3457 at January 12, 2011 05:47 PM (mbh93)
Posted by: bowel movement at January 12, 2011 09:44 PM (Mul5k)
At the rate this Ass clown is going, we'll be there soon.
I personally think that this is his goal. He and his wife hate this country, the people in it and want to become royalty in exile in Europe somewhere.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 12, 2011 05:47 PM (fhTf7)
We started the day with liberals making phony objections to the words "blood libel". Phony because they weren't the least bit offended.
We concluded with conservatives finding excuses for the cheering crowd and general inappropriateness.
We play fair. They don't.
We know that his "call for civility" is too little too late. We know that it's completely insincere and that he'll let his purple-shirted thugs do his dirty work.
And we know that when he admonishes us, he's admonishing us, not his own side.
Posted by: AmishDude (watching without sound) at January 12, 2011 05:47 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: timwi at January 12, 2011 05:47 PM (Sxt4Z)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:47 PM (tJjm/)
After tonight it seems that that title has been expropriated.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 12, 2011 05:47 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 09:42 PM (NjYDy)
And our civilization WILL die, eventually, because we always do that and they never do.
This isn't about effing goals or scores. They get to spew hate, vitriol, and lies, and we move on. They use the lies as if they were facts, and we move on. They raise taxes, spending, and restrictions on us, and we move on.
The fucking front ranks surrender at the drop of a hat, and a LOT of people are pretty damned sick of it.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 12, 2011 05:47 PM (bxiXv)
this was so the campaign kickoff only no one is calling a spade a spade...
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 05:47 PM (p302b)
Where's the price of oil heading? Unemployment?
Forget it, man. The Tucsonburg Address is the story for the next few weeks.
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2011 05:48 PM (DLxD/)
"Tonight I want you all to forget that for two years me and my fellow Democrats have been trying to give it to you up the squeakhole, steal your rights as individuals and foist a socialist agenda upon America - whether you like it or not. Let there be no mistake, this occasion will be used to begin the assault on that leper colony that is the Tea Party "
Notice the use of martial language? Shameless....
Posted by: Marcus at January 12, 2011 05:48 PM (ZOWZh)
Posted by: kawfy at January 12, 2011 05:48 PM (lFt0D)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 05:48 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: The GOP at January 12, 2011 05:48 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2011 05:48 PM (TMB3S)
" but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to our challenges as a nation, in a way that would make them proud."
Translation: You (Republicans/conservatives/the Right) won the election by lying and cheating. I and my minions are therefore fully justified in constraining/ending your free speech rights so you cannot win, and it is morally justified because my ends justify the means.
==========================
Not civil enough for you? Too damn bad.
Posted by: Evan3457 at January 12, 2011 09:47 PM (mbh93)
the liberal commie shitbag that won't allow his college transcripts to be released has the fucking balls to use the word "honest."
Posted by: tangonine at January 12, 2011 05:48 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: John Boehner at January 12, 2011 05:49 PM (qMJOS)
Posted by: lauren at January 12, 2011 05:49 PM (BwC1j)
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 09:42 PM (NjYDy)
No, I can have whatever fucking opinion I want. The fuckface hasn't taken that away from me, yet.
Posted by: Steph at January 12, 2011 05:49 PM (KqBTY)
Posted by: t-bird at January 12, 2011 05:49 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 05:49 PM (czcue)
Who the fuck are you to accuse me of being a "Kos Kid," asshole? Jesus Christ, I acknowledge the laws of political gravity (that it looks pathetic and churlish to fulminate over this speech, given that the text was fine as written and everyone else in the country is looking for a reason to hold hands and sing Kumbayah), and out come the twats screaming "Kos Kid!"
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 05:49 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: lions at January 12, 2011 05:50 PM (lW97b)
Posted by: Barack Obama at January 12, 2011 05:50 PM (ogc4v)
355
nope, the whole thing creeped me out like the Wellstone thing, these folks just aren't right when they gather together in a herd.
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 05:50 PM (yCH89)
Are you thinking there are pods in the Whitehouse basement?
Posted by: toby928™ at January 12, 2011 05:50 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: Bomber at January 12, 2011 05:51 PM (d88g9)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 09:47 PM
Like, TOTALLY! I would have clapped even harder!!
Posted by: Team Jacob at January 12, 2011 05:51 PM (K/7kM)
On the other hand, it's just as likely to be a meaningless catch-phrase.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 12, 2011 05:51 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 09:49 PM (czcue)
after watching this loser for the last what... 6 years? you're actually wondering if he meant what he said? This fucker hasn't told the truth YET.
Posted by: tangonine at January 12, 2011 05:51 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Dan at January 12, 2011 05:51 PM (mXBxH)
Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 05:51 PM (AZGON)
Paul Begala is busy saying Sarah's speech was political narcissism of the worst kind...bitter, self centered, not anything like ronald raegan would do.....
begala is truly a skunk...
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 05:51 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Tommy DeVito at January 12, 2011 05:51 PM (o2QOm)
Posted by: Oldsailor at January 12, 2011 05:52 PM (AovJ3)
Posted by: Tucson Mass Shooting Memorial at January 12, 2011 05:52 PM (5I0Yr)
Sorry but if he gave a good speech I would be the first to admit it. It wasn't. He didn't connect with people the way bush, clinton or reagan did. It was a campaign event.
People concerned with the tragedy that happened won't be moved by this. When I watched reagan I wanted to hear what he said and he was smart enough not to say it in front of cheering college students, same with clinton and bush. Bush, Reagans and Clintons speeches were solemn and gave people that died the respect they deserved.
Bush also rallied the country later when he visited the world trade center. I didn't feel rallied tonight, rallied for what? Cheering for what exactly?
This was a fail IMO, the setting wasn't his beyond his control, it was his choice.
Posted by: robtr at January 12, 2011 05:52 PM (hVDig)
406 I will say that the speech itself was ok, but the staging -- well, the staging was way off.
And that speaks volumes about the main speaker.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 05:52 PM (5/yRG)
Imagine the beatles sucks. Oh, wait, you don't have to.
Posted by: tangonine at January 12, 2011 09:46 PM (x3YFz)
Heh, second most overrated band in history.
Posted by: David Axelrod at January 12, 2011 05:52 PM (fQYs2)
Quick, Obama, name the people you just 'memorialized'. No peeking at the screen... Hell, just name the number of people.
I was told there would be no math etfc.
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at January 12, 2011 05:52 PM (r3kDw)
Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let us use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy, and remind ourselves of all the ways our hopes and dreams are bound together.
Rather than assigning blame, let us use this occasion to THE REST OF THIS SENTENCE IS NONSENSE SPEAK.
and people are falling for it.
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 05:52 PM (+Z6ve)
Posted by: kmklm at January 12, 2011 05:52 PM (c5RQr)
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 12, 2011 05:53 PM (o3bYL)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie, Extra in Breakfast at Tiffany's at January 12, 2011 05:53 PM (DPM1U)
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 12, 2011 05:53 PM (Fo83G)
now he says "hey, lets all calm down."
Actually Obama didn't blame conservatives, it was all the other libtards in the left-commentariat. I agree that he's mainly finger-pointing at us when he says "everyone needs to be civil". But Obama can't really be blamed for the Sarah feeding frenzy of the past 3 days.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 05:53 PM (czcue)
Haven't seen any TV or read any news since Saturday morning, have you? 40% of the country wants us dead.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 12, 2011 05:53 PM (4ucxv)
Posted by: eman at January 12, 2011 05:54 PM (0aJSF)
Did you hear how he healed Gabby with his visit? I was just kinda maybe hoping if I was nice, he might do something similar for me.
Posted by: C. Krauthammer at January 12, 2011 05:54 PM (I9ArI)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 09:49 PM (czcue)
His history has already told us the answer to that question.
Seriously, we're as willing to forget their past as they're eager to hide it.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 12, 2011 05:54 PM (bxiXv)
She said, it looked like a political rally for Obama.
I almost shit. If she had that reaction, expect other to have the same.
Posted by: Kemp at January 12, 2011 05:54 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: lauren at January 12, 2011 05:54 PM (BwC1j)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 05:54 PM (6ftzF)
Imagine the beatles sucks. Oh, wait, you don't have to.
Posted by: tangonine at January 12, 2011 09:46 PM (x3YFz)
Heh, second most overrated band in history.
Posted by: David Axelrod at January 12, 2011 09:52 PM (fQYs2)
Other than Europe??!
/sings "it's the final countdown... nah nah nah nah..."
Posted by: tangonine at January 12, 2011 05:54 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: kawfy at January 12, 2011 09:48 PM (lFt0D)
Yeah, there was nothing during this entire thing stopping Obama from saying "stop the cheering for a second."
His speech went long enough that it hardly would have affected the flow of it.
Posted by: AD at January 12, 2011 05:54 PM (9r1ux)
Past 5 days, and he sure as hell can be blamed for not bothering to mention it until he got a literal spotlight this evening.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 12, 2011 05:54 PM (4ucxv)
We play fair. They don't.
We know that his "call for civility" is too little too late. We know that it's completely insincere and that he'll let his purple-shirted thugs do his dirty work.
And we know that when he admonishes us, he's admonishing us, not his own side.
Posted by: AmishDude (watching without sound) at January 12, 2011 09:47 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: Adrian at January 12, 2011 05:55 PM (1nAkE)
What does she think about Boehner going to a fundraiser?
Posted by: toby928™ at January 12, 2011 05:55 PM (S5YRY)
Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 05:55 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 12, 2011 05:55 PM (cQfrc)
Posted by: t-bird at January 12, 2011 05:55 PM (FcR7P)
Sarah Palin killed some people... and shot a congresswoman.....
Then Obma had a pep rally.
Posted by: Timbo at January 12, 2011 05:55 PM (ph9vn)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 12, 2011 05:56 PM (6SIms)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 09:53 PM (czcue)
You seriously believe that if the word went out to the media from Obama to stop the Sarah bashing, they would keep on doing it? Seriously?
Posted by: Tami at January 12, 2011 05:56 PM (VuLos)
Posted by: Annabelle at January 12, 2011 05:56 PM (4kxCX)
But you guys are kidding yourselves if you think that's what is going to be remembered about this. People *WANT* a reason to come together after something horrifying like this -- maybe we here on AOSHQ don't, but I think that we're all so rubbed raw about the media slander campaign that we forget that, as politically active online conservatives we represent a tiny and unrepresentative sliver of the populace. And Obama didn't really fumble that opporunity.
I'd have loved it if he did. But it's one of my jobs to be objective about these things -- and I have a track record that proves I'm good at my fucking job -- and the objective truth is that Obama didn't blow it. Let's not pretend we did. We can rank on him all we want (in fact, let's!), but deluding ourselves is dangerous.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 05:56 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: Reiver at January 12, 2011 05:56 PM (RFTUX)
Come on, let's move on. At least we won't be blindsided this time like we were in 2008.
That said, I am for the first time convinced that Hillary will not run in 2012. She will replace Biden on the ticket.
THAT, folks, is my takeaway from this event.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 05:56 PM (K/7kM)
That's a theory. It's not always true.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 12, 2011 05:56 PM (4ucxv)
Imagine the beatles sucks. Oh, wait, you don't have to.
Posted by: tangonine at January 12, 2011 09:46 PM (x3YFz)
Heh, second most overrated band in history.
Jeff's Beatles post is a must-read.Posted by: Blackford Oakes at January 12, 2011 05:56 PM (MadRw)
He doesn't want to get on the wrong side of the death panels.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 12, 2011 05:57 PM (S5YRY)
The tshirt giveaway set the tone. If they expected a memorial they would have given out glow stix and dimmed the lights. The whole thing was a political pep rally.
Well at least maybe people will take the t shirts home with them. Remember what happened to all the American flags after his Greek Temple speech? Trashed - hundreds of them thrown on the ground and more collected in plastic bags and left near trash bags.
It's all very green - for the earth and all that.
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 05:57 PM (QInp2)
Sarah Palin killed some people... and shot a congresswoman.....
Then Obma had a pep rally.
Posted by: Timbo at January 12, 2011 09:55 PM (ph9vn)
And the MFM hit bottom and dug.
Posted by: tangonine at January 12, 2011 05:57 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 12, 2011 05:57 PM (cQfrc)
tinyurl.com/4nkanhv
Posted by: Blackford Oakes at January 12, 2011 05:57 PM (MadRw)
Hey it was a good speech! We should applaud the fact that he hit another oratory home run and take our lumps.
I guess the last 5 days wasn't enough of an anal reaming for them?
if what's happened after saturday from the media, the elected left, and the rest of the liberal criminals wasn't enough to get the idea through their heads that they don't just disagree with us, but that they truly fucking hate us, then there isn't any way in hell to convince them of it.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 05:58 PM (eCAn3)
Posted by: Count de Monet (40% evil) and quoter of Clark Griswold at January 12, 2011 05:58 PM (XBM1t)
Oh, I don't know about that. He praised Sheriff Dripdik, after all.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 12, 2011 05:58 PM (pQ+9I)
Posted by: nickless at January 12, 2011 05:58 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 12, 2011 05:58 PM (o3bYL)
Posted by: eman at January 12, 2011 05:58 PM (0aJSF)
What does she think about Boehner going to a fundraiser?
Boehner who? Is he a singer?
Posted by: Kemp's wife at January 12, 2011 05:58 PM (JpFM9)
Posted by: Barbarian at January 12, 2011 05:58 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 05:58 PM (6ftzF)
I'll just link words together that DON'T HAVE ANY MEANING BUT SOUND NICE. Then no one can get mad at me!
Isn't that what this psychopath Loghner objected to? What if words have no meaning?
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 05:58 PM (QInp2)
Posted by: C. Krauthammer at January 12, 2011 09:54 PM
Hah, you'll get Sheriff "Plugs" Biden asking you to come up on stage.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (fhTf7)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (Z71Vg)
...and remind ourselves of all the ways our hopes and dreams are bound together.
Yeah, well my hopes and dreams are not bound up with anybody's but my husband's and children's hopes and dreams and even that is iffy as far as the children go. My dream for them does not include superbowl tickets and a lifetime supply of Chipotle burritos
So screw you Obama, you know not of what you read..
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (+Z6ve)
The moral imagination line must have been Biden's idea. There's a fine line between stupid...and clever.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie, Extra in Breakfast at Tiffany's at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (DPM1U)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (1fB+3)
Sorry, those were all used up on his "white grandmother" speech. The Sermon on the Mount is still available, though.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: oleg at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (/IuX+)
JESUS CHRIST, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS BEFORE PEOPLE WILL GET IT: I DON'T GIVE ANY CREEDENCE TO IT. Pretty much all the terrible things you could believe about Obama? I believe them. (Well, not the crazy birther shit, but you know what I mean.) But I'm also aware that most people don't share those beliefs -- not yet, at least -- and that THEY are going to like it. Hence it was a "good" speech in the sense that it was effective. That is all.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (NjYDy)
But Obama can't really be blamed for the Sarah feeding frenzy
because that's what minions are for!
Posted by: ChuckOH at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (M0kHF)
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (tJjm/)
Don't worry, little libtards, our Republican masters won't utter a peep. Bastards.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (UOM48)
You seriously believe that if the
word went out to the media from Obama to stop the Sarah bashing, they
would keep on doing it? Seriously?
Posted by: Tami at January 12, 2011 09:56 PM (VuLos)
No you're right, he didn't lift a finger to stop it, but he didn't start it either. That's my only point.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 05:59 PM (czcue)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 12, 2011 09:59 PM
I'm surprised he didn't sneeze as an encore.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 06:00 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 12, 2011 06:00 PM (hUf/c)
Heh, second most overrated band in history.
Posted by: David Axelrod at January 12, 2011 09:52 PM (fQYs2)
Oops! That was my piss poor sock!
And yes, The Beatles blow.
Posted by: ErikW at January 12, 2011 06:00 PM (fQYs2)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 12, 2011 06:00 PM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 12, 2011 06:00 PM (Wh0W+)
If you remember the movie Enemy at the Gates-the scene where Kulikov (the veteran sniper) is holding forth on the Germans as they send the guy they captured out with the reel of telephone line...."That's the thing about the Germans. They're stubborn. When they get an idea in their heads...."
That's Jeff B.
Posted by: Relationship Advisor at January 12, 2011 06:01 PM (o2QOm)
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 12, 2011 06:01 PM (o3bYL)
Posted by: pam at January 12, 2011 06:01 PM (uDwml)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 06:01 PM (6ftzF)
They'll even justify it by saying that "This is the atmosphere Tuscon needed".
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 12, 2011 06:01 PM (c0A3e)
Nooooo, not at all,,,especially when he called us their "enemies"........
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 12, 2011 06:01 PM (cQfrc)
If not, then hey -- rock and roll.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 06:01 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: booger at January 12, 2011 06:02 PM (9RFH1)
Let's see, what did we have?
A Native American/Mexican/whatever the frak giving some mumbo jumbo new age prattle blessing way -- uhm, can this be any more sterotypical of Indians? I'm part Indian, and nobody on that side of the family does anything like that....talk about making caricatures out of native people...did it get any better than tonight? I don't think so!
Shout out about "public servants are the true heros" -- take that Ft. Hood victims; live by the sword die by the sword bitches!
Some rambling from the Bible -- uh, isn't it a venal sin to mock the Holy Scripture, and isn't using it for your own agenda when you believe not one whit of it mockery?
And then there was the speech from the big man himself -- which was supposed to be a memorial, but even the media lapdogs are salivating over as the comeback kid's first step out on the campaign trail...how frakking precious of him.
And then the crowd...oh the crowd...makes you want to emigrate, doesn't it? These freaking godless whelps are OURS. How does that make all of us feel there Mr. and Mrs. America -- we conceived, birthed, and raised up what you just saw?
Yeah, I've been drinking -- but I'm also thinking...and I'm thinking "America does not deserve such fine soldiers as my children and their mates" which is probably the desired response...and I hate that; I hate it.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 06:02 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 12, 2011 06:02 PM (MI6qF)
Posted by: Barack Obama at January 12, 2011 06:02 PM (F0UPH)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 09:53 PM (czcue)
He called the sheriff and thanked him. At that point he should have either admonished him or at least let it leak that he was admonishing the sheriff.
That's where he was guilty.
Posted by: AmishDude (watching without sound) at January 12, 2011 06:02 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 12, 2011 06:02 PM (pQ+9I)
Posted by: toby928™ at January 12, 2011 06:02 PM (S5YRY)
Count on it. Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 09:59 PM
Can't wait for the Time ragazine cover. I'd better buy some sunglasses now so I won't be blinded by its glory.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 06:03 PM (K/7kM)
As anyone who has been NEAR children knows, they don't just start behaving better on their own because it's nice. They ENJOY the anger, the adrenaline, and the attention (they give each other). So they continue to ramp it up.
Now we have thousands of people asking for Palin to be shot on Facebook, at the same time as they claim OTHER PEOPLE are using hateful rhetoric and they aren't.
This is because we haven't spanked them. The only question is, is it too late to do anything about it? Is this the "new normal", especially since it's pretty damned clear that we (our leadership, deserving or otherwise) are *not* going to do anything about it?
The only other question is how many on the left are actually aware of the dishonesty of the "it's all on the right" claim, and how many are actually in complete denial?
I've discovered ina couple of ways in the last few days that you can't get an answer from them, I literally can't communicate with them anymore. I can try, but it's like talking to a CD player. Read-only media.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 12, 2011 06:03 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 06:03 PM (6ftzF)
He just wants to inspect Fat Gay Mexican Intern Guys colon a little but closer.
Posted by: Barbarian at January 12, 2011 06:03 PM (EL+OC)
now he says "hey, lets all calm down."
Posted by: Dan at January 12, 2011 09:51 PM (mXBxH)
That's how the left works. They punch a conservative in the nose and when we go to defend ourselves they act all innocent and make grand bullshit speeches about peace and understand. And we're still the ones with the bloody nose and the blame for their attack
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 12, 2011 06:03 PM (pYyzv)
Posted by: Count de Monet (40% evil) and quoter of Clark Griswold at January 12, 2011 06:03 PM (XBM1t)
I feel the need to watch it again. Just so I know I wasn't halucenating.
Posted by: Timbo at January 12, 2011 06:03 PM (ph9vn)
Posted by: eman at January 12, 2011 06:04 PM (0aJSF)
Posted by: gesc at January 12, 2011 06:04 PM (9Xeoc)
Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 10:02 PM
With any luck, Jane, another batch of them will be running for office in 2012.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 06:04 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 09:53 PM (czcue)
He called Sheriff Dipstick, and thanked him. Why did he do that? It made no sense. He could have told the SOB to STFU about his BS, but he didn't, did he?
He probably thanked the SOB for doing his dirty work for him. You give that piece of shit too much credi.
Posted by: Steph at January 12, 2011 06:04 PM (KqBTY)
for the most part, they are just ordinary average Americans
but they are all spread around the country...
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:05 PM (p302b)
B. Hussein sure made it out to Arizona real quick, didn't he? This is the same asshole who took his sweet time visting Ft. Hood after insisting that we "shouldn't jump to conclusions" over the slaughter of 13 Soldiers by a muslim terrorist.
Posted by: SFC MAC at January 12, 2011 06:05 PM (ZGdhe)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 10:01 PM (6ftzF)
That's our little Barry. His mere presence can bring the dead back to life. That ego of his knows no bounds
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 12, 2011 06:06 PM (pYyzv)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 09:59 PM (czcue)
Chemjeff, all the liberal media outlets started attacking Palin on Saturday after the shooting regarding her district map with the crosshairs on it.
Now do you really think they all independently immediately came to the conclusion that a map created last spring was at fault or do you think they might have been given some help on that?
Posted by: robtr at January 12, 2011 06:06 PM (hVDig)
This is what it was like living in the USSR. That is, as a living person in the USSR.
I have an old copy of Soviet Life I picked up a while ago, just was curious...
Yes, the same falsehoods and lies we hear from the idiots in the media was spread throughout this magazine, extremely creepy stuff.
As creepy as these ghoulish fuckers.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at January 12, 2011 06:06 PM (jBsNM)
Posted by: phreshone at January 12, 2011 06:06 PM (T3vCe)
And some assurance that he will stop.
(until next time)
Posted by: pam at January 12, 2011 06:06 PM (uDwml)
I don't think that played too well in Peoria.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2011 09:59 PM (TMB3S)
Yeah, I don't think so either, but sometimes these events are what people are told they are. They remember hearing that the President gave a good speech? So he gave a good speech.
Posted by: AmishDude (watching without sound) at January 12, 2011 06:06 PM (BvBKY)
Thinking of the clapping seals and douchebags squealing over Barry tonight makes me weep for my son and all our military.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 06:06 PM (UOM48)
Sarah Palin killed some people... and shot a congresswoman.....
Then Obma had a pep rally.
Posted by: Timbo at January 12, 2011 09:55 PM (ph9vn)
yep, that about sums up this week in liberal news.
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 06:07 PM (yCH89)
If I remember my University of Arizona -Native American Course Study Requirements correctly, and I think I do, that Shaman should have asked all of the menstruating women to leave the gymnasium before giving his blessing.
Posted by: garrett at January 12, 2011 06:07 PM (F0UPH)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:07 PM (p302b)
Posted by: bowel movement at January 12, 2011 06:07 PM (Mul5k)
Don't repeal my awesome Health Care Bill.
Posted by: franksalterego at January 12, 2011 06:07 PM (qvaB9)
No, but some girls in tank tops were handing out free passes for The Green Hornet.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 06:07 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: booger at January 12, 2011 06:07 PM (9RFH1)
I predict a new crop of conservative blogs rising very quickly.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 12, 2011 10:05 PM (G/MYk)
Amen.
Posted by: Barbarian at January 12, 2011 06:07 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Barbarian at January 12, 2011 10:03 PM (EL+OC)
Heh. I see what you did there.
Posted by: S. Freud at January 12, 2011 06:08 PM (I9ArI)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 12, 2011 06:08 PM (SJ6/3)
Our side really has no leaders, does it?
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2011 06:08 PM (DLxD/)
Yeah actually I do, because they all share the same prejudice that we conservatives are gun-toting lunatics, and they all believe in their heart of hearts that we are Category 3 killers. You don't need to tell people what to write when they already believe it.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 06:08 PM (czcue)
Sorry, couldn't hear you. I was expanding my moral imagination and sharpening my instinct for empathy. It's a tough job but somebody's gotta do it.
Just the other day I was thinking, shit, my instinct for empathy (not sympathy but empathy) is just really dull. Maybe a few more bad things should happen to me so that I can be empathetic by instinct alone.
I'm sorry but who here thinks this garbage language is good?
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 06:08 PM (+Z6ve)
Are they selling t-shirts & bumper stickers yet? This was not a memorial service, this was a campaign event. Memorial Services are solemn events, there may be a few light hearted stories about the deceased but this was not a memorial service!
I suppose Chris Matthews has a whole body tingle, not just the leg? Let's get him to do something productive with it, see a doctor before he goes out and kills people.
Posted by: Carol at January 12, 2011 06:08 PM (bdB1C)
Posted by: nickless at January 12, 2011 06:09 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Count de Monet (40% evil) and quoter of Clark Griswold at January 12, 2011 06:09 PM (XBM1t)
Garrett @ #376 - I can't believe he brought up the "Imaginationland" Episode of South Park.
I thought that was totally inappropriate.
I agree, particularly since Loughner went around purportedly engaged in conscious dreaming.
Posted by: ndfan at January 12, 2011 06:09 PM (oEgUF)
Don't repeal my awesome Health Care Bill.
Posted by: franksalterego at January 12, 2011 10:07 PM
Please God, please don't let the Repubs on the Hill sacrifice it to the gods of propriety.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 06:09 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie, Extra in Breakfast at Tiffany's at January 12, 2011 06:09 PM (DPM1U)
Posted by: Tom Brady's hair at January 12, 2011 06:10 PM (QInp2)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 12, 2011 06:10 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: OhioDude at January 12, 2011 06:10 PM (TprFE)
My standard response to douchebag progressives after the speech: Go fuck yourself.
The "civility" ship has sailed, sunk, been salvaged, towed back into port and then sold for scrap. After five days of accusing me of being an accessory to mass murder by virtue of disagreeing with them, progressives can all go die in a fire.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 12, 2011 06:11 PM (o2QOm)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 12, 2011 06:11 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: Oldsailor at January 12, 2011 06:11 PM (AovJ3)
But Obama can't really be blamed for the Sarah feeding frenzy of the past 3 days.
Au contraire. Obysmal started the feeding frenzy the day she was announced to the Lower 48 and he hasn't stopped agitating for it since. Before McShame picked her, she had approval ratings of 80-90% That's ineffingcredible! Look at the shiite storm she's lived through the past two years, and the left STILL won't let up.
Posted by: RushBabe at January 12, 2011 06:11 PM (urYpw)
If not, then hey -- rock and roll.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 10:01 PM (NjYDy)
Just wait until tomorrow. Rush will do 30 minutes on how he deals with success, Beck will too but he'll cry at some point, Laura and Levin will flat out call them racists and Hannity will call Beckel a Great American.
Posted by: ErikW at January 12, 2011 06:11 PM (fQYs2)
530 But that's just it: Jeff B is right -- the assholes will eat this up; Barry didn't fall flat on his face (his minions yes, but not him, so plausible deniability -- and plenty of excuses will be made for "overenthusiastic" college "kids"). Please mark the emphasis of my scare quotes.
Remember: the media is on their side, and nobody in this country will hold those college "kids" responsible...let alone go after a tribal healer (the more I think of that the more I get sick...do you know how many Indians there are in the military? that have served quietly and patriotically? and now this? some hokey shaman wannabe? Chief Illiniwek wasn't even this bad).
Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 06:11 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 12, 2011 06:11 PM (5I0Yr)
I've got a few of the small cards that are distributed at memorial services. A photo of the lost one on the front, a few words about them, and some scripture on the back. I feel guilty about throwing them away; they'll haunt me.
The t-shirts? I'd be ashamed to be seen within 10 feet of one.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 06:11 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: Tucson Mass Shooting Memorial at January 12, 2011 06:12 PM (5I0Yr)
Pissed off M'Chelle: Loosening boob belt, bitching non-stop about having to fly out to a memorial for a bunch of crackas. Yelling at a staffer to bring her her damned cocktail now.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 06:12 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 12, 2011 06:12 PM (54F2e)
Posted by: Oldsailor at January 12, 2011 10:11 PM (AovJ3)
Just about to say that. Outta my head!
Posted by: Count de Monet (40% evil) and quoter of Clark Griswold at January 12, 2011 06:13 PM (XBM1t)
Our side really has no leaders, does it?
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2011 10:08 PM (DLxD/)
donald trump is coming out of the woodwork and he accused hannity of "not being conservative enough" today on his show....if he survives the MSM scrutiny of all his bankruptcies and his failed marriage, etc. If they don't "Rudyfy" him...he might be a great president.
Palin is done, even the supermarket check out girl was talking about how horrible she is and enumerating all the reasons.....
BO will get his second term, he won't have any challengers.....mark my words...
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:13 PM (p302b)
Posted by: kmklm at January 12, 2011 06:13 PM (c5RQr)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 12, 2011 06:13 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 12, 2011 10:06 PM
Thank him for his service for me.
Keep your cool as best you can and remember; he's doing what he wants to be doing where he wants to be.
I know this is harder for a mother but you know you must keep cool for his sake and peace of mind.
May God bless him and keep him safe.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 12, 2011 06:13 PM (fhTf7)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 10:08 PM (czcue)
I don't, sorry but they all have reporters hanging out at the whitehouse who are given off the record tips. That and the fact that Politico reported that within two hours of the attack an unnamed democratic operative told them that the president needed to deftly pin the attack on the tea party.
Posted by: robtr at January 12, 2011 06:14 PM (hVDig)
Ouch?
Posted by: Bomber at January 12, 2011 10:03 PM (d88g9)
ack, Bomber i've been thinking the same thing sibce Dagny mentioned it, i was afraid to type it and wondering why i thought it.
Posted by: willow at January 12, 2011 06:14 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 12, 2011 10:10 PM
Yeah, and the headline said "again." Was there a fall I missed? She had a hard time getting up, too. Dare I say -- Sarah would have bounced up like flubber.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 06:14 PM (K/7kM)
Palin is done, even the supermarket check out girl was talking about how horrible she is and enumerating all the reasons.....
My God, if you lose the checkout girl at Piggly Wiggly....
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie, Extra in Breakfast at Tiffany's at January 12, 2011 06:14 PM (DPM1U)
some nutball shoots a VIP and our leadership tucks their tails between their legs and pisses all over themselves.
we are fucked
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 06:14 PM (yCH89)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 12, 2011 06:14 PM (SJ6/3)
"Blood feud" only refers to the Jews?
When Ike wrote his book "Crusade in Europe", did he get the crap beat out of him for using a term "reserved" for a historical conflict between Islam and the Christian West?
Face it, folks: we are reaping 40 years of librul ejumakashun.
Posted by: Our POTUS at January 12, 2011 06:15 PM (iH81+)
Before McShame picked her, she had approval ratings of 80-90% That's ineffingcredible!
Watched an old episode of Alaska just this evening and made the exact same observation to the wife.
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2011 06:15 PM (DLxD/)
Mr. President, and I say this with all due respect, fuck you and your ugly wife.
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at January 12, 2011 06:15 PM (a5ljo)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 12, 2011 06:15 PM (2nGKd)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 12, 2011 06:15 PM (tLexx)
Unless I didn't hear it correctly, he said: 1. when horrible things happen, we look for reason, but sometimes evil happens and we have to stop trying to pin blame; and 2. Heated rhetoric did not cause this, but we should be nicer to each other.
He then layered it with text that implies it was indeed rhetoric that caused it.
But he did say #1 and #2 right?
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 06:15 PM (tNWxq)
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Makes me more grateful than ever that young men like your son volunteer to actually serve our country.
Posted by: Retread at January 12, 2011 06:15 PM (okCHU)
wow, that's two this week, the donald and this think tank guy on Batchelor
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:16 PM (p302b)
I agree, particularly since Loughner went around purportedly engaged in conscious dreaming.
Some of that speach came across as disjointed as Loughner's writings.
Who wants a Democracy that imitates the imaginary Democracy of a nine year old girl?
Not me. I don't want a Unicorn, or a Pony and those cupcakes that came out of the E -Z- Bake Oven sucked.
Posted by: garrett at January 12, 2011 06:16 PM (F0UPH)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 12, 2011 10:11 PM (5I0Yr)
Really? Even with the media?
Posted by: kmklm at January 12, 2011 06:16 PM (c5RQr)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:16 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 06:16 PM (6ftzF)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 12, 2011 10:12 PM
Not an excuse. All morons should have a case of Valu-rite for such occasions.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 06:17 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: Africanus at January 12, 2011 06:17 PM (sbGVk)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 12, 2011 06:17 PM (2nGKd)
Get. Head. Out. Of. Ass. The speech was crap and the whooping and cheering was sick. Toonces didn't score a goal
He did screw up; the whole thing was a disaster. It was sickening; that's my complaint.
Posted by: HUMAN UNIT-DESIGNATE: SantaRosa of : Stan at January 12, 2011 06:18 PM (UqKQV)
Also, your tin ear has flared up again. Massage it.
And this thread (for the most part) is an exercise in
knee-jerking.
Alas.
Posted by: a lass at January 12, 2011 06:18 PM (BgFDn)
Our side really has no leaders, does it?
Negative.
Posted by: Barbarian at January 12, 2011 10:11 PM (EL+OC)
Well, there's Kevin, but he's drunk most of the time.
Posted by: tangonine at January 12, 2011 06:19 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 10:16 PM
I heard the donald on Hannity today. Someone tell me why I shouldn't vote for the guy.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 06:19 PM (K/7kM)
All hail to the checkout girls.
Posted by: pam at January 12, 2011 06:19 PM (uDwml)
Yes, even with the MFM. Memorials are deeply cultural rites and this one bore no attachment to American, or Western, culture, at all. It was alien and insane. No amount of spinning can change that.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 12, 2011 10:18 PM (G/MYk)
I see. Did they try to protect the dems after wellstone 1 and fail as well?
Posted by: kmklm at January 12, 2011 06:20 PM (c5RQr)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 12, 2011 10:11 PM (5I0Yr)
I agree... once the nutty native american prayer thing.. most Americans were looking at each other saying WTF?
blessing all that slither on the ground and live below the earth....
what lives under the earth? worms?
he is blessing snakes and worms when 6 people were murdered?
This whole week has been a disgrace from one side. the left.
I feel very sorry for the victims families. Can you imagine this week if it was your loved on killed?
Posted by: Timbo at January 12, 2011 06:20 PM (ph9vn)
Oh dear lord, what a pretentious little twit you are. One of your "jobs", hero? Your mythical "track record"? Really? Think you're all that fucking important? How much does being the most tediously self-righteous paternalist on ace's site pay anyway?
At least you managed to go a whole thread without rhetorically inhaling ace' junk. Guess you're waiting for him to post so you know he'll see it. Must be brutal having to wade through all these neanderthal comments trying to find your chance to jump into the frame with your stalking victim.
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 06:20 PM (Q/RCp)
Really? Even with the media?
Posted by: kmklm at January 12, 2011 10:16 PM (c5RQr)
I believe so. Yes. Odummy and his minions know just how to overstep their bounds.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 12, 2011 06:20 PM (5I0Yr)
His old TV show rocked. He mostly just ran clips of Democrats saying what Democrats say to each other, and then turned to the camera and gave the Spock eyebrow.
Posted by: toby928™ at January 12, 2011 06:20 PM (S5YRY)
After seeing Fox tonight, tomorrow will be worse..
I don't think Rush will "fight back" anymore and I don't think that everyone else gets their orders and opinions from him, they copy him, but it isn't the same as the libs/dems who get actual written talking points
I think everyone will praise this event and the president
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:21 PM (p302b)
What on earth does expanding one's moral imagination mean??? Does it mean we accept things we once thought were wrong as being okay?
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 12, 2011 10:15 PM (2nGKd)
Code word for gay marriage. DADT was just a trial run that succeeded beyond the lib's wildest dreams.
Posted by: ErikW at January 12, 2011 06:21 PM (fQYs2)
Posted by: Rocks at January 12, 2011 06:21 PM (WxagK)
Posted by: Rush Limbaugh at January 12, 2011 06:21 PM (o2QOm)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2011 06:21 PM (TMB3S)
blessing all that slither on the ground and live below the earth....
what lives under the earth? worms?
The Devil, he was a devil worshiper
Posted by: robtr at January 12, 2011 06:22 PM (hVDig)
Posted by: Buffalobob at January 12, 2011 06:23 PM (GwH6h)
I doubt it, most of them are the type who think only the vulgar hoi polloi would criticize Obama on an occasion like this, they'll stick to their ball licking and look down on anyone who doesn't join them.
Posted by: booger at January 12, 2011 06:23 PM (9RFH1)
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Posted by: The Grammar Widget at January 12, 2011 06:24 PM (kb0wl)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2011 10:21 PM
There is that little matter of the Repeal bill.
/to say nothing of oil prices and unemployment and the Chinese and the bailout of California.
Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 12, 2011 06:24 PM (K/7kM)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at January 12, 2011 06:25 PM (a5ljo)
How long have you been listening? How many times does Rush have to show up and put a completely different spin on the meme du jour before you figure out he will only stop fighting when he is dead.
Posted by: Relationship Advisor at January 12, 2011 06:25 PM (o2QOm)
The speech was not bad in my view, though the staging of it was horrible. Politically he said the right things. My guess is that the mud will continue to fly and that he will now be perceived by enough people as above the fray that he won't get dinged all that bad for it. If he had any advisors worth a damn he would say pretty much what he said in this speech, but words are words and actions are actions.
You will know for a goddamn fact that's what is going on if he continues to have his staff send out the dog whistles to the base in the coming days.
Posted by: Dave S. at January 12, 2011 06:25 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 12, 2011 06:26 PM (5I0Yr)
This is a behavioral ratchet. They brutally attack, then claim the middle ground and tell everyone to calm down, but they then go on the assumption that the lies they told are now just part of accepted history.
Obama didn't add any offense in his speech, he just moved the ratchet handle back for another pull. And the right "gets over it" and the left pulls the handle again, only harder.
I join Kratos is saying "In the end, there will be only chaos."
(Yeah, I said this over at HA, too, though I really don't know why I go there any more. Force of habit.)
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 12, 2011 06:26 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Steph at January 12, 2011 06:26 PM (KqBTY)
I think that we're all so rubbed raw about the media slander campaign that we forget that, as politically active online conservatives we represent a tiny and unrepresentative sliver of the populace.
Uh-huh.
Posted by: FCC Net Neutrality Committee at January 12, 2011 06:27 PM (urYpw)
My prediction: Many "conservatives" talking about how great Obama's speech was will walk back their statements tomorrow
I don't know how many are saying it's "great," but Obama just told liberals to stop trying to pin blame, bad shit happens, and that the shooting was not caused by rhetoric.
Definite FAIL for lefty bloggers.
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 06:27 PM (tNWxq)
I only started paying attention to politics when I came here and I try to listen to Rush as often as I can cause he is very entertaining and doesn't take himself so seriously as hannity and levin and sabage and beck I always think Sarah Palin is a female version of him..
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:28 PM (p302b)
http://twitter.com/pattonoswalt
Took video down. Sorry for offending Jews. My camp is concentrating on better one. Final solution soon. #palin
Posted by: The Grammar Widget at January 12, 2011 06:29 PM (kb0wl)
---dont hold ur breafff....52% of america voted and believed in our dipshit pres.
thats a hell of alot of nincompoops.
Posted by: str8 outta at January 12, 2011 06:29 PM (dwOwg)
Posted by: The
Mega Independent at January 12, 2011 10:26 PM (5I0Yr)
I do ummmmmmmmmm, seem to have uhhhhhhhhh, that effect on people.
Posted by: TEH WON at January 12, 2011 06:29 PM (5qJM5)
Posted by: Marie at January 12, 2011 06:29 PM (GuTKr)
He obviously has spent all week practicing it. More faux emotion than he's ever produced.
However, this was a calculated performance to emulate Bill Clinton. He advisors told the press this. Some reporters tweeted it. It was a very cynical ploy.
I think the thing to do is to hold him, and all of his minions, up to performing according to the standards. When they start their crap tomorrow, ask them if they are living up to the people who were killed. Ask them if they are following Obama's lead.
And most especially, watch Obama and his people like a hawk, and call them out for anything they say that deviates from this fake speech.
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 12, 2011 06:29 PM (Fo83G)
You're transparently a useless piece of shit (not only because you can't write without hurling crazy nutjob invective, but also because you're a transparently useless piece of shit), but I guess I should point out that, near as I can tell, Ace thinks this was a terrible speech. I disagree. So do DrewM and Gabe, if their Twitter feeds are anything to go by.
You could stand to cut back on the whole "internet tough guy" act by about 1000%, for what it's worth.
Posted by: Jeff B. at January 12, 2011 06:29 PM (NjYDy)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 12, 2011 06:30 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 06:30 PM (6ftzF)
"This is a behavioral ratchet. They brutally attack, then claim the middle ground and tell everyone to calm down, but they then go on the assumption that the lies they told are now just part of accepted history."
that's good stuff, putting it in the ammo bag.
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 06:30 PM (yCH89)
If you guys think you have "moral imagination" figured out....which I don't. Try this one on for size "sharpen our instinct for empathy".
Now, you have sympathy when you see something and feel pity or something. You have empathy when you've had the same experience and see it happening to someone else and can share their feeling because you've been there?
Maybe if I really squinted and thought WAY outside the box I could maybe guess that it meant to notice other people in bad positions that you were once in?
So maybe some other paranoid schiz should have noticed Loughner and taken his gun away? I don't think any of this makes any actual sense.
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 06:31 PM (+Z6ve)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 12, 2011 06:31 PM (SJ6/3)
Seriously, that would have been an awesome speech....if he had given it on Sunday. But he sat and watche while his minions at the New York Times played pin-the-tail-on-Palin, and he even called Sheriff Nudnik to thank him for amping up the attacks on the Right. NOW he says we can't really know why this crazy asshole shot a bunch of people, and we should all just simma down.
Not. Buying. It.
Posted by: rockmom at January 12, 2011 06:31 PM (w/gVZ)
So anyone wonder what Gabby Giffords is gonna think about the way Obama and the rest of her party handled this "memorial"?
Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 12, 2011 10:26 PM (5I0Yr)
Um, take a minute and review that, friend.
Posted by: ErikW at January 12, 2011 06:32 PM (fQYs2)
So, lemme get this straight -- the hacks from the ideology that is four-square supportive of genocide against Israelis are accusing Sarah Palin of anti-Semitism. Because she rightly accused the left of engaging in the same blood libel that Palis, Nazis, and other anti-Semites engage in.
Makes as much sense as the rest of this narrative they've woven.
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 06:33 PM (Q/RCp)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at January 12, 2011 06:33 PM (SJ6/3)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 12, 2011 06:34 PM (5I0Yr)
Go fuck yourself, asshole. You're a nothing. You're the Ace of Spades version of William Rivers Pitt, and yet you don't seem to realize that no one here gives a flying fuck what you think about anything. Because you just can't stop yourself from telling us how we're supposed to think about everything.
Now get back to sucking on your Ace blow-up doll, bitch.
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 06:35 PM (Q/RCp)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:35 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Buffalobob at January 12, 2011 06:35 PM (GwH6h)
I heard the donald on Hannity today. Someone tell me why I shouldn't vote for the guy.
I think Mayor Bloomburg is doing a swell job, and I tell the American public that every damn time I'm on FOX. (But then again, I'm rich, so I keep my salt in my limo.)
Posted by: Donald Trump at January 12, 2011 06:36 PM (urYpw)
Toonces's speech in a church with family and friends might have sounded okay
In a college gym interrupted by several thousand college students after a crazy Indian slithering and waving a feather, the speech was Shit
that thing he tried to accomplish ( whatever it was ),,,,,,,,,he failed
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Posted by: China-store at January 12, 2011 06:38 PM (y4983)
and Obama is a preening prick
Posted by: HUMAN UNIT-DESIGNATE: SantaRosa of : Stan at January 12, 2011 06:38 PM (UqKQV)
I think a lot of people hear the instinct for empathy blather and moral imagination crap and think they just didn't understand instead of "this idiot is speaking nonsense".
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 06:39 PM (+Z6ve)
"You, you make a grown man cry. You, you make a dead man cum. "
Posted by: Elderly choir at January 12, 2011 06:39 PM (iH81+)
Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at January 12, 2011 06:41 PM (QBQcg)
---
expand your moral imaginations -- kiss my ...
Posted by: The Grammar Widget at January 12, 2011 06:41 PM (kb0wl)
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 06:42 PM (+Z6ve)
Actions speak louder than words. On Obama's return, in order to set a new tone in Washington and honor the memory of those lost like the little 9 year old girl, Obama should call in Boehner and say, "last year we passed a healthcare bill that was jammed down everyone's throat and after this event, I realize how wrong that was. I will support your bill to repeal that bill and work with you demanding that both sides of the aisle produce a bill we can all be proud of that really does impact healthcare costs and quality."
I think the victims will rise from the grave before Obama actually does things that would unite America. He could also call of the regulators he has working behind the scenes to do things he cannot pass through congress and to end putting in all the czars and those appointed to avoid congressional oversight like the new head of Medicair who favors ending lives to save money.
Was anyone wondering what the crowd that wants all relifion removed were saying while the attorney general of the USA was giving a speech that was the reading of Paul; the head of homeland security was quoting Isiah at lenght, and the president was talking about scriptures and calling on Gods blessing?
Posted by: Greta at January 12, 2011 06:42 PM (POE3L)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:42 PM (p302b)
Unless I didn't hear it correctly, he said: 1. when horrible things happen, we look for reason, but sometimes evil happens and we have to stop trying to pin blame; and 2. Heated rhetoric did not cause this, but we should be nicer to each other.
He then layered it with text that implies it was indeed rhetoric that caused it.
But he did say #1 and #2 right?
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 10:15 PM (tNWxq)
Yeah, pretty much. Also, the righty pundits who liked it generally heard what they wanted to hear. When he said "we should be nicer" they heard "liberals should be nicer" when he really meant "conservatives should shut up."
I think some are also letting the president have the benefit of the doubt and will now hold him to the words he spoke at the memorial rally, knowing that his minions will go back to their old ways undeterred.
It'll give the pundits some moral authority when they criticize the Left again.
Posted by: AmishDude (watching without sound) at January 12, 2011 06:42 PM (BvBKY)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
.....so glad i didn't go to college.....so very very glad.
please tell me i imagined this post....
Posted by: str8 outta at January 12, 2011 06:45 PM (dwOwg)
I read it and I'm reading a couple of others.....sheesh, now which moral imagination definition was he espousing, cause they can't even agree on a definition....
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:45 PM (p302b)
I was being funny but I guess sometimes that doesn't come through on here
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:46 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at
Stop!!! the FCC does not regulate cable TV!! If you would like to put forth acase as to why Fox will run afioul of the Saudis over this, make it.
Otherwise STFU
Posted by: Elderly choir at January 12, 2011 06:47 PM (iH81+)
I admit I didn't see anything but a couple of clips. I suppose the speech -- which the arrogant Traitor-in-Chief didn't write, anyway -- was okay, if far too long, but the strident voice and the chin-in-air delivery, plus the pep-rally atmosphere, brought it to the level of an ordinary incitement to totalitarianism from the Mohammedan Mouthpiece.
I suppose we have to cut him some slack, though. He made Rep Giffords's eyes open, after all. No doubt when He laid His hand on her forehead.
As far as I'm concerned only through resignation can Obama begin to redeem himself. He is disgusting.
Posted by: MrScribbler© at January 12, 2011 06:47 PM (Ulu3i)
Posted by: Carol at January 12, 2011 06:47 PM (bdB1C)
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 06:47 PM (+Z6ve)
Posted by: Slappy at January 12, 2011 06:47 PM (ljvjO)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 10:45 PM (p302b)
I think it means carpeting your Harry Potter.
Posted by: The Grammar Widget at January 12, 2011 06:47 PM (kb0wl)
The ability to imagine new possibilities. These possibilities include those that are not context-dependent and that might involve another mental model.
Evaluating from a moral point of view both the original context and its dominating mental models, and the new possibilities one has envisioned."....college.....it's for the chirrens 2lern.
and how will this moral imagination help my steelers win their 7th?
Posted by: str8 outta at January 12, 2011 06:48 PM (dwOwg)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at January 12, 2011 06:49 PM (a5ljo)
"But not to do so, Â…, risks moral and technological bankruptcy, threatens ecological sustainability in some cases, and prevents engineers from exercising their talents in ways that will benefit all of us."
Gotta love an ethics paper from Penn State referencing "ecological sustainability".
Moral imagination = Acceptance of moral relativism in all things.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 12, 2011 06:49 PM (hUf/c)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 10:45 PM (p302b)
The won couldn't tell you, because they're just words to be read from a telepromptor. The man has no idea what any of it means.
Posted by: Steph at January 12, 2011 06:50 PM (KqBTY)
And the day after the Ft. Hood shooting he said we should wait to get the answers.
He let his dogs out for 5 days....and anyone praising him tonight should be ashamed of themselves.
Posted by: pam at January 12, 2011 06:51 PM (uDwml)
It will help your team by allowing them, in college, to get through to the big leagues while taking basket weaving where they discuss stuff like the aforementioned.....
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:51 PM (p302b)
466 People *WANT* a reason to come together after something horrifying like this -- maybe we here on AOSHQ don't, but I think that we're all so rubbed raw about the media slander campaign that we forget that, as politically active online conservatives we represent a tiny and unrepresentative sliver of the populace.
Oh yeah: a tiny and unrepresentative sliver....as in the Tea Party...as in the shellacking the Dems got in the last election.
Thanks for telling us we should just STFU , lie down and think of England.
FU
Posted by: effinayright at January 12, 2011 06:52 PM (iH81+)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at January 12, 2011 06:52 PM (a5ljo)
I'd say that applies to a good percentage of all posters.
You, of course, are one of the exceptions.
Tough, critical thinking set forth in pithy emissions.
You duh man!
Posted by: a lass at January 12, 2011 06:54 PM (BgFDn)
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 06:54 PM (+Z6ve)
Some people just like to be told how they're "objectively" supposed to think, I guess. I could join the other team if I wanted that.
YMMV.
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 06:55 PM (Q/RCp)
The ability to imagine new possibilities. These possibilities include those that are not context-dependent and that might involve another mental model.
Evaluating from a moral point of view both the original context and its dominating mental models, and the new possibilities one has envisioned."....college.....it's for the chirrens 2lern.
and how will this moral imagination help my steelers win their 7th?
Posted by: str8 outta at January 12, 2011 10:48 PM (dwOwg)
you can always trust the academic world to complicate the hell out of something as easy as "put yourself in the other persons shoes"
I learned that when i was like 7.
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 06:56 PM (yCH89)
It so scares me that in academia today they need to teach the most basic things, things which should be developed with critical thinking skills....
You have to listen to batchelor......they are saying they can hit Ca and alaska and hawaii....they are talking about the north koreans and their nukes and long rang missiles...
and they are scaring the shit out of me.....really
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 06:56 PM (p302b)
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 06:57 PM (+Z6ve)
If you say so. Unlike Jeff B. and pretty much every other poster here, I don't construct all of my opinion pieces as "here's the objective reality that I just happen to agree with 100% of the time (because, after all, it's my job) and that's why your opinion is definitionally less valid and should be altered."
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 06:58 PM (Q/RCp)
Little Miss Spellcheck
I think what Obama might have been trying to say is that we're living in a post-morality America. He may be right.
Anyway, real morality is more than a hundred years old, so it's hard for regular people to understand...
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 12, 2011 06:59 PM (hUf/c)
Posted by: dagny at January 12, 2011 06:59 PM (+Z6ve)
"The real problem for morality is that it begs an authority. You can't have morals in a vacuum. Relative morals aren't morals."
exactly right, C.S. Lewis could not have said it better
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 07:00 PM (yCH89)
And it's not working out well for me at all.
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 07:00 PM (Q/RCp)
Posted by: Barbarian at January 12, 2011 07:00 PM (EL+OC)
Just restrain yourself to kicking Jeff around. The "just like every other poster here..." line makes you sound like...Jeff B. Might want to just put that aside.
Posted by: Relationship Advisor at January 12, 2011 07:00 PM (o2QOm)
Posted by: RushBabe at January 12, 2011 07:04 PM (urYpw)
You're right, because I'm a whiskey-addled nitwit who can't construct a sentence. Try this out:
Unlike Jeff B. and like pretty much every other poster here,
Still a shittily constructed sentence, but I swear on a stack of Native American dirt-worshipping bibles that it was my intent.
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 07:04 PM (Q/RCp)
Posted by: Grant at January 12, 2011 07:05 PM (XYjaz)
If people had cheered and whistled at my sister's memorial, I would have probably punched them. I can't imagine what it feels like to be a family member of one of the victims who died in that shooting after this parody of a supposedly dignified service. It wasn't Wellstone II. It was a pep rally/worship service for President Obama.
Posted by: Lee at January 12, 2011 07:06 PM (BD1aO)
1. He doesn't know how to control a crowd.
2. He didn't realize it sounded disrespectful.
3. He wanted the cheers, due to his narcissism.
4. He didn't notice because he is really deaf.
5. He is afraid of the extreme left of his party and didn't want to make them mad.
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 12, 2011 07:08 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 07:08 PM (6ftzF)
Pretending otherwise plays into the hands of the Exploiters, like our illustrious genius President Spock.
Posted by: CoolCzech at January 12, 2011 09:45 PM (tJjm/)
Agree 100%
Posted by: Flammenwerfer at January 12, 2011 07:09 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 07:10 PM (p302b)
Posted by: eman at January 12, 2011 07:10 PM (0aJSF)
Posted by: Nina Blackwood's Hair Stylist at January 12, 2011 11:04 PM (Ks4nX)
Agreed, kind of MST3000 - I will admit, I did have a few tears of laughter at some of the comments
Posted by: Flammenwerfer at January 12, 2011 07:11 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: momma at January 12, 2011 09:15 PM (penCf)
Kind of like John Cassavetes in Rosemary's Baby after he lets the devil rape his wife, since he has no soul to trade for his pathetic career. She comes home complaining that she is in pain, because the baby she's carrying has cloven hooves and horns, but he is busy practicing a scene with crutches that was intended for a man who was stricken blind by a satanic cult.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 12, 2011 07:13 PM (mHQ7T)
Posted by: eman at January 12, 2011 11:10 PM (0aJSF)
I think the cookie cutter answer would be 'too soon' 'the wounds are too fresh' etc
Posted by: Flammenwerfer at January 12, 2011 07:13 PM (FIDMq)
728
i missed that one, i agree as well, this whole "national tragedy" thing just isn't ringing true to me, this doesn't really rise to that level, it feels manufactured to me.
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 07:14 PM (yCH89)
Also, the righty pundits who liked it generally heard what they wanted to hear. When he said "we should be nicer" they heard "liberals should be nicer" when he really meant "conservatives should shut up."
Who cares? He just underminded the Left's entire foundation on this issue by saying, briefly but clearly, that heated rhetoric did not cause this.
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 07:15 PM (tNWxq)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2011 07:16 PM (TMB3S)
Who gives a shit about what the hell 'moral imaginations' means...the fact that he felt compelled to smack down liberals is what matters:
Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let us use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy, and remind ourselves of all the ways our hopes and dreams are bound together.
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 07:16 PM (tNWxq)
I am not a fan of this president. I think he's the worst I've ever seen.
But our antipathy toward the man and his policies and style of governance should not blind us to moments of genuine brilliance. Did he scold the left? Not specifically. He couldn't. And that's okay. Part of the brilliance of the speech - as I interpret it - is attempting to direct our attention toward transcendent ideas/values which just might unite us more than divide us. That is reverent leadership - and I've written on my website how one thing the Dems conspicuously lack is reverence (in the classical understanding of the term - see Paul Woodruff's book especially his chapter on reverence and leadership).
Personally I think he was in fact cautioning the left more than the right. But then maybe that's because of my own bias. No matter.
I'm both a pastor and a (albeit poor) Hebrew Bible scholar. I try to take note of how people use Scripture. He did it very well indeed.
Posted by: Rick67 at January 12, 2011 07:17 PM (tmff/)
I think Barack Obama and Guy Woodhouse share an eerily similar personality profile. Soulless, sociopathic narcissists who care only for the advancement of their own ambitions and treat everything else as an abstract tool to that end. Throw a little Doctor Manhattan in for Barry, too.
Of course, if Michelle were punished with a baby like that, Barry would reflexively have it aborted. The Castevets would not be pleased.
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 07:17 PM (Q/RCp)
Posted by: archie bunker at January 12, 2011 07:17 PM (0YS61)
"Who gives a shit about what the hell 'moral imaginations' means...the fact that he felt compelled to smack down liberals is what matters:"
not if the trade off is our guys turning tail and running, that's the shit end of the stick, friend.
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 07:19 PM (yCH89)
Posted by: Carol at January 12, 2011 07:19 PM (bdB1C)
Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 07:20 PM (6ftzF)
I'm sorry, Rick, but "reverent leadership" is holding a "memorial ceremony" that more resembles a night at Thunderdome? Slogans, merchandising, concession stands, whooping and cheering every other sentence, ridiculously little focus on the people that were supposedly being, you know, memorialized?
Reverent? Seriously?
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 07:21 PM (Q/RCp)
Deeds not words. I will praise him when he lives up to the standards he set forth in that speech, and when he stops people like Gibbs from making nasty comments, and when he quits making divisive comments.
meanwhile, I would remind you that the Devil himself can quote Scripture.
Posted by: Miss Marple at January 12, 2011 07:21 PM (Fo83G)
The text of the speech was all right but the actual memorial was unbelievable. I have been at memorial services, and seen national ones on television. This was horrible.
Bingo. All it needed was Fritz Mondale to be the Wellstone Funeral/Politcal Rally all over again.
I think the main reason was the location, and the presence of so many college kids. Bad idea.
Oh, and the college prez gushing over how great it was to have an "intellectual" president? A cheap zinger that will please the faculty lounge tomorrow, but won't age well.
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 07:21 PM (tNWxq)
People in the Tea Party are among the few in Obamaland that still have jobs (don't worry -- he's got two more years and plenty of Trotskyite czars to take care of that flaw in the Matrix). And most of us outgrew vulgar keggers like this disgusting, corpse-fucking circus when we graduated from college.
But thanks for asking, mr. dumbest poster on the interwebs.
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 07:24 PM (Q/RCp)
not if the trade off is our guys turning tail and running, that's the shit end of the stick, friend.
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 11:19 PM (yCH89)
Run from what? The president just said to stop pinning blame, it wasn't caused by rhetoric. And Alan Dershowitz said "blood libel" is perfectly fine to use.
It was a good day for reason.
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 07:24 PM (tNWxq)
Did he scold the left? Not specifically. He couldn't.
Sure he could. It's called a "Sistah Soulja moment".
Don't excuse his moral failings just because your expectations are so low.
The speech can be good, but it's just a speech. If Abe Lincoln had followed the Gettysburg Address by surrendering to the Confederacy, it too would be just a speech.
Personally I think he was in fact cautioning the left more than the right.
Because that's what you wanted to hear. We really don't want a douchebag president. We want to respect him, we really do.
But he is like a Menendez brother pleading for sympathy because he's an orphan.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2011 07:26 PM (BvBKY)
Run from what? The president just said to stop pinning blame, it wasn't caused by rhetoric. And Alan Dershowitz said "blood libel" is perfectly fine to use.
It was a good day for reason.
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 11:24 PM (tNWxq)
the ObamaCare repeal vote has been delayed...
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 07:27 PM (yCH89)
Yeah, remember when we had that idiot Bush in office? He never even once conducted a funeral from the stage of the Jerry Springer show like this intellectual we've got running the show now.
Stupid, stupid Bush. When you don't use the occasion of mass murder to hold a campaign rally in the halls of a fourth-rate academic institution aspiring to be a third-rate football factory, then you've got no claims to calling yourself an "intellectual".
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 07:27 PM (Q/RCp)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2011 07:29 PM (BvBKY)
Seriously, it's ridiculous to even discuss it, but the MFM only knows it's ridiculous in the latter case.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 12, 2011 07:30 PM (bxiXv)
the ObamaCare repeal vote has been delayed...
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 11:27 PM (yCH89)
And a good thing too. Now we can repeal that divisive piece of legislation, in accordance with the president's wishes.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2011 07:31 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: MWR at January 12, 2011 07:32 PM (CA2NO)
Why would I want to unite with a man who hates me, and my country?
Has stolen my private healthcare...and the earnings of my family, and my children's children, FGS.
It is easy for a man who has just beaten you to ask that you forget the depths he plunged to do so.
He is a confidence man of the highest order...he is an insincere liar.
He is an anti-American whose goal is to reduce the economic and military power of the US.
And he could have stopped his minions 5 days ago from calling millions of Americans murderers...but he did not.
Unlike Ft Hood, where the day after he asked that we forget this was a Muslim wishing to do us harm, he lied. The Muslim shouted "God is Great" while murdering our soldiers.
He was not cautioning the left....because THEIR WORK HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE.
His party and his media knowingly dehumanized their fellow Americans, calling them killers of children.
While he voted "present" for 5 days running.
Posted by: pam at January 12, 2011 07:32 PM (uDwml)
"I think my problem with the speech, besides the pep rally setting, is the fact that Obama gave one at all. By giving a speech at this "memorial," and by investing it with the political clout that comes with the office of President, he's tacitly given his seal of approval to the false narrative that this shooting was political in any way."
excellent point, and AmishDude, all I can say is great minds think alike
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 07:36 PM (yCH89)
His party and his media knowingly dehumanized their fellow Americans, calling them killers of children.
While he voted "present" for 5 days running.
Posted by: pam at January 12, 2011 11:32 PM (uDwml)
And the "moderates" will go along with the lie to get along, and you and I will be "extremists" form hence forward because we won't accept the lie.
And then they'll pull the handle again.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 12, 2011 07:37 PM (bxiXv)
the ObamaCare repeal vote has been delayed...
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 11:27 PM (yCH89)
EVERYTHING was delayed. That just happened to be next on the calendar.
Cripes, you guys are playing right into the liberal storyline...Conservatives should be talking about Obama conceded our MOST IMPORTANT POINTS: It's wrong to point fingers over an evil act, and this WAS NOT CAUSED BY RHETORIC.
That's the freakin headline here. Liberals should be forced to admit or deny it all day tomorrow. But instead, you're going to play right into their hands and ignore the concessions -- like a crestfallen Rachel Maddow did -- and just repeat how much Obama Sucks.
Fuck, you're letting them off the hook.
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 07:38 PM (tNWxq)
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 07:39 PM (yCH89)
It is time for a 3rd party......Conservatives are dead anyway, as is our country. Why not for once in our lives vote for a true patriot? Have Palin run 3rd, or write-in whomever you want.
I say we punish Republicans to the max.
They want to unite with this monster???????
Let them.
Posted by: pam at January 12, 2011 07:41 PM (uDwml)
It is easy for him to con many because he focuses on the young and impressionable (college kids) and his targets want to be conned.
Posted by: Onlooker at January 12, 2011 07:42 PM (0hNjS)
Who cares what Dershowitz thinks?
Uh, Jews. Or people who may not otherwise automaticaly agree with you and me but see his remarks as an opening to maybe give our side a fair listen. That's how voters are influenced and elections are won.
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 07:43 PM (tNWxq)
why do you think this is getting the overblown play it is?
the Dems no longer control the House, and they needed a way to stop the Repubs who have been forced by TEA party pressure to take some stands, or at least slow them done somehow, this incident gave them the perfect opportunity.
Posted by: shoey at January 12, 2011 07:43 PM (yCH89)
738 I must respectfully but strongly disagree with the partially negative critique of his speech.
I am not a fan of this president. I think he's the worst I've ever seen.
But our antipathy toward the man and his policies and style of governance should not blind us to moments of genuine brilliance. Did he scold the left? Not specifically. He couldn't. And that's okay. Part of the brilliance of the speech - as I interpret it - is attempting to direct our attention toward transcendent ideas/values which just might unite us more than divide us. That is reverent leadership - and I've written on my website how one thing the Dems conspicuously lack is reverence (in the classical understanding of the term - see Paul Woodruff's book especially his chapter on reverence and leadership).
**************
FUCK THAT!!!! It is the LEFT and only the LEFT that has been stoking the fire here!!!
Before you can argue for transcendence you need to argue for logic, facts common sense, and simple human decency.
Your argument basically boils down to an idea that people wrongfully accused of a crime need moral schooling as much as those who libel them.
No one gives a fuck about your website. Please give us information as to how to subscribe to your newsletter.
Posted by: effinayright at January 12, 2011 07:44 PM (iH81+)
Seriously, his constant sobbing is starting to trouble me. Greatly.
Posted by: Barbarian at January 12, 2011 07:45 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: CollegeStudent at January 12, 2011 07:47 PM (DYLaq)
That's the freakin headline here. Liberals should be forced to admit or deny it all day tomorrow. But instead, you're going to play right into their hands and ignore the concessions -- like a crestfallen Rachel Maddow did -- and just repeat how much Obama Sucks.
Fuck, you're letting them off the hook.
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 11:38 PM (tNWxq)
So, in the completely vain hope that they will admit culpability and take responsibility for their lies, vitriol, abuse and false accusations, you say we should accept another half-truth and move on?
Or am I missing something?
Because the left are NOT going to walk back the ideas and lies, even if they temporarily walk back the rhetoric. Because they NEVER HAVE.
Seriously, when has the left ever abandoned a meme or platform because it was contrary to the facts?
Do you really expect to get that?
That's the biggest problem with the American right - we make concessions and get nothing in return.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at January 12, 2011 07:48 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 11:24 PM (tNWxq)
Who cares what Dershowitz thinks? He isn't the owner of "blood libel".
Think much? I didn't think so. You've missed the point entirely. A very liberal Jew agreeing that the term has more than one usage is worth something to counter the supid idea that it has onkly one meaning.
Perhaps you should start with a less advanced website.
How about moveon.org?
Posted by: effinayright at January 12, 2011 07:49 PM (iH81+)
Posted by: NotAMolly at January 12, 2011 07:52 PM (ADJFU)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 12, 2011 07:52 PM (2nGKd)
This would never have happend if mccain won the election.
Posted by: obama at January 12, 2011 07:53 PM (hszuS)
Let me play too, for a moment.
How was Big 0's speech received by The American Public?
The very first time I heard one of his speeches, I felt that I was looking through a very clear sheet of glass. I saw through the speech and all the imagery and arguments, and was unimpressed. I see Big 0 as a mediocre speaker.
How do the remaining 150 million or so voters feel?
Jeff B's posts #249 & 327 seem to summarize his points; maybe Jeff B is correct, maybe not. But the points about "people looking for a reason", "do not delude ourselves", ... they make sense. The Rs seem to delude themselves too easily, to reach across the aisle, ...
I don't think Big 0 won with this speech, and the background may have hurt, but it is not a major loss. And as an opening for 2012, it will be spun very favorably a year from now.
Don't let this happen. Ace was power washing the Left today, with Liquid Pain. We need more of this.
Posted by: Arbalest at January 12, 2011 07:57 PM (SbLJg)
That's the freakin headline here. Liberals should be forced to admit or deny it all day tomorrow. But instead, you're going to play right into their hands and ignore the concessions -- like a crestfallen Rachel Maddow did -- and just repeat how much Obama Sucks.
Fuck, you're letting them off the hook.
Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 11:38 PM (tNWxq)
I've thought about this and expressed it, that they will try to hold the Left to Obama's standard.
I think that the horse has already left the barn and that Obama's disingenuous, but I can tell by how the NRO guys, in particular, are expressing things: Short expressions of support, relatively free of substance, re-emphasizing the call for civility and stating that it was aimed at the Left...
I think they hope to hold it against Obama and his minions for the next two years, that Obama put handcuffs on them. We'll see.
The truth is, the Left cannot survive without extreme rhetoric. They live on fearmongering.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2011 08:00 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: eman at January 12, 2011 08:04 PM (0aJSF)
I think obama has pissed more people off by bumping a 2 hour episode of human target on fox, why not on cnn. Than he has earned respect from. Come on. Why doesnt he give a speech for every one who gets shot or murderd? People where clapping. Who claps at a funeral? Just a stupid publicity stunt. Obama you`ve lost my vote.
Posted by: this is stupid at January 12, 2011 08:06 PM (hszuS)
The Corner is uniformly insufferable right now. The fact is, unless you accept that Barack Obama is a truly horrible human being -- an evil monster -- and he is (as his past and present associations and anti-American dealings have repeatedly shown him to be) -- then you're going to fall for this ridiculously transparent sideshow every time. Your career ceiling in the realm of citizenry is "useful idiot".
If Hitler hadn't had the prescience to disarm the Jews before he exterminated them, he would have been giving speeches about "toning down the rhetoric" when they started shooting back. And then he would have put them back on the trains when they complied, after first vilifying them for divisiveness by fighting for their lives.
Next year, Gabby Giffords will be attached to Barry's arm on the campaign trail as an unsubtle prop to trigger all those implanted memories of how right-wing crazies (and especially Sarah Palin, through internet mind control) committed mass murder in Tucson, and Rich Lowry will still be there praising his cadence while David Brooks sniffs the crease in his pants.
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 08:09 PM (Q/RCp)
Posted by: andycanuck at January 12, 2011 08:12 PM (2rOwc)
Posted by: Rich Lowry at January 12, 2011 08:18 PM (0aJSF)
Well, that's not entirely true. Veronique de Rugy slices like a fucking hammer.
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 08:19 PM (Q/RCp)
Posted by: Rich Lowry at January 12, 2011 08:20 PM (0aJSF)
Posted by: this guys nuts at January 12, 2011 08:22 PM (hszuS)
Posted by: Rich Lowry at January 12, 2011 08:24 PM (0aJSF)
Posted by: RoxanneD80 at January 12, 2011 08:26 PM (bX0Gl)
My husband had a good take on this: looks like a Jimmy Swaggart "God forgives me, why can't you?" moment, complete with fake preacher patois.
It was snake oil selling -- from a salesman who has heretofore lost his mojo and wants it back.
Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 08:31 PM (5/yRG)
Most likely, the mud continues to get flung, probably as early as tomorrow, and now Obama has smartly given himself enough cover to insulate himself from the damage. It was a good speech, but all it signals is that he won't dive in the mud himself because he'd get too messy. Hillary can do it for him, the sheriff can, or anyone for that matter. Only when conservatives defend themselves will Obama's speech be referenced.
It was a good speech, but I expect little in terms of positive ramifications. I just think Obama was politically savvy enough to give himself a little cover while his followers continue their savage attacks. But maybe I'm just too cynical.....I doubt it.
Posted by: Dave S. at January 12, 2011 08:34 PM (UvR6d)
This is why the Obamas weren't invited to the Royal Wedding.
No sense of decorum, no respect for tradition, no feel for the spirit that an occasion calls for.
As F'ed up as the Brits are these days, they could see that the Obamas are the type of people that, if you invite them to a party, they end up wearing the lampshades and wizzing on the carpet.
Posted by: Speller at January 12, 2011 08:35 PM (J74Py)
Disappointed that some erstwhile conservatives don't see the value of saying "good job" when a spoiled destructive brat says "please... thank you".
Also was using "reverence" in a specific sense - hence the citation.
Posted by: Rick67 at January 12, 2011 08:35 PM (tmff/)
Posted by: Krauthammers Barely Functioning Diaphragm at January 12, 2011 08:38 PM (EL+OC)
National Review is a "Not in front of the help!" permanent-minority publication, not a conservative one, so they always get sickeningly ass-kissy on Obama Speech Day. But it's been a fuckhead fest over there every day since Steyn left.
Posted by: oblig. at January 12, 2011 08:44 PM (x7Ao8)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 08:50 PM (p302b)
What value? This asshole has tacitly abetted -- if not outright orchestrated (and yes, it is pretty obvious that someone was coordinating the media message here -- every channel/paper doesn't come up with the same batshit insane blood libel at the same time) -- a pogrom against his political opponents founded on the blood of innocents and you want me to be impressed with his politically expedient display of manners? Are you really that naive?
Barack Obama is thrilled that he got his mini-Oklahoma City. He's even now thrilled for the first time that Giffords didn't die because he could work her recovery into a speech. He and his power-mad jackals in the academy/media/government complex wish there were more mass murders that gave them a chance to baldly blame all who disagree with them for the crimes. The only things that the left didn't like about 9/11 are that it killed a bunch of liberals and that it happened on Bush's watch instead of a Democrat's. Otherwise, it would have been just another 3,000 eggs that needed to be broken to make the most awesomest omelet ever.
I'm living in the real world where these people aren't just impolite and crass. They're pure fucking evil. And they wouldn't hesitate to have me or mine put to death if it meant that the government to which they pray could take over an extra 0.007% of the health care sector or any other aspect of the human hive they wish to fully control. And you're chiding me because I won't golf clap when a Leninist thug like Obama does something hideous and unconscionable like what he's done/allowed to happen this week but finally makes nicey-nice when the prime-time cameras are rolling?
Posted by: VJay at January 12, 2011 08:53 PM (Q/RCp)
Posted by: curious at January 12, 2011 08:57 PM (p302b)
Posted by: luxuryfashion at January 12, 2011 09:27 PM (KRga4)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at January 12, 2011 09:36 PM (8x3SC)
Most likely, the mud continues to get flung, probably as early as tomorrow, and now Obama has smartly given himself enough cover to insulate himself from the damage. It was a good speech, but all it signals is that he won't dive in the mud himself because he'd get too messy. Hillary can do it for him, the sheriff can, or anyone for that matter.
He's playing Good Cop when he knows full well that Bad Cop is beating the suspect in the other room.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2011 09:51 PM (BvBKY)
Disappointed that some erstwhile conservatives don't see the value of saying "good job" when a spoiled destructive brat says "please... thank you".
Also was using "reverence" in a specific sense - hence the citation.
Posted by: Rick67 at January 13, 2011 12:35 AM (tmff/)
You weren't very convincing.
It may have been a good speech in and of itself, but it's meaningless when it directly contradicts all of his actions. What he's saying is, "Oh...all right...I'msorryIdidit. Can I go out and play nooooow?"
If he follows it up with actions, that would be pleasant and then we should give proper credit. But I think he'll just let his minions slander on his behalf unabated. He's the scorpion. Acting above his own self interest is simply not in his nature.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2011 09:55 PM (BvBKY)
His justice department was able to get every federal judge in the area to recuse himself (WTF is up with that?) so he figures he can do anything he wants.
No, apparently that's SOP in the judiciary.
There will be federal and state charges. Loughner will be charged by the Feds for at least the attempted murder of Giffords, which will probably give him life.
At the state level, he'll be charged with 5 murder charges plus an assortment of others. That should get him the death penalty.
However, with this development, Holder's Social Justice department will probably demand that the Federal charges take first priority and they won't have to deal with that messy needle.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2011 09:59 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: jules at January 12, 2011 10:04 PM (IAZms)
Getting a change of venue is one thing, but this is quite something else.
That's what I heard when somebody referenced the recusals, that it is standard operating procedure for the district's judges to recuse themselves in an event like this.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2011 10:17 PM (BvBKY)
I'm sorry... I was totally creeped out. And the reaction of Krauthammer et al... unbelievable...
I think a lot of people were creeped out, too. They'll have trouble showing clips of the event without it being creepy. (BTW, Michelle Malkin has a video flashback to the Bush speech at the VaTech memorial. Night and day.)
As for Kraut and the other squishes, I think two things are going on: (1) They don't like thinking of themselves as knee-jerk partisans. It's what they criticize Krugman, et al. for. (2) If Obama were honest, the speech would have been great. The problem we're having is that he's not honest and he won't follow this up with actions. (cf. my Good Cop/Bad Cop analogy).
So I think they plan to hold Obama to his word, knowing he'll break it before the week is up and the Left will be even worse.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2011 10:27 PM (BvBKY)
Posted by: jules at January 12, 2011 10:59 PM (IAZms)
Vercingetorix: Holy #$%*ing shit, man, Barry just raped the dog.
Are you the Vercingetorix who used to post at the original Asia Times Spengler forum, about five years ago?
Posted by: at January 12, 2011 11:11 PM (pfMMA)
If it could be critiqued at all, it MIGHT have been missing that little extra somethin somethin that would have really sealed the deal. Hmmm... like maybe letting Michael Vick have a few words on redemption. Or, maybe have a couple of semi-circles of Dallas Cowboy and Philadelphia Eagle cheerleaders extend out from the podium to show how we can all come together with moral imagination (and they could also provide some tactful pelvic gyrations in conjunction with the major points of my speech.)
Yeah... that would have been better... would have really given those dead peeps a memorial to brag about!
Posted by: O's Super-ego at January 12, 2011 11:23 PM (lPtUE)
Posted by: gonzotx at January 12, 2011 11:36 PM (ExKx3)
Uh, uh, Paul Wesllstone, MN senator, is here. Stand up, Paul, let 'em see you. Oh, God love you. What am I talking about? I tell you what, you're making everybody else stand up, though, pal. I tell you what, stand up for Paul's corpse!
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 12, 2011 11:36 PM (0ba8c)
Posted by: Wow, you're really a Prick at January 13, 2011 12:56 AM (G+FzC)
Yes...TEH WON was very presidential and highly dignified at his pep rally/memorial service. I especially appreciated his call for civility...“What we can’t do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another,” Yes...too bad this was said four days after the events and after the lunatic left's dogs were already running around the yard chasing and tearing at the piece of meat.
You're not only a prick, but a disingenuous one at that -- so go fuck off.
Posted by: billygoat at January 13, 2011 02:15 AM (r8RnS)
Posted by: Mark at January 13, 2011 03:26 AM (IILET)
Wonder if somehow people will think this was correct and this is now how a memorial service will be conducted going forward?
Wonder why there was no Judeo/Christian prayers?
From Sarah Palin we know that the little girl was Catholic and the news says that many of the older women who were killed were Jewish. But no Rabbi or Priest.
Posted by: curious at January 13, 2011 04:51 AM (p302b)
Posted by: D. at January 13, 2011 05:00 AM (plSrP)
And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their deaths help usher in more civility in our public discourse, let's remember that it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy--it was not--but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to our challenges as a nation, in a way that would make them proud."
Posted by: Mark Halperin at January 13, 2011 05:13 AM (HqpV0)
Posted by: NotAMolly at January 13, 2011 05:18 AM (ADJFU)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 09:44 PM (czcue)
The way he said it Obama keeps the "this was a result of vitriolic Right Wing Rhetoric" alive versus the simple fact that a nut murdered these people. It's all about the leftist narrative. My assumption is that he is an evil, devious marxist, because that is his track record.
Posted by: Minuteman at January 13, 2011 05:34 AM (/3GFM)
Posted by: Minuteman at January 13, 2011 05:37 AM (/3GFM)
Posted by: Minuteman at January 13, 2011 05:40 AM (/3GFM)
Instead of being rounded up and shot in the back of the head, conservatives should ony be sentenced to slave labor for life. I feel more civil already.
Posted by: Lawrence O'Donnell at January 13, 2011 05:42 AM (TqYbQ)
Lefty College Kid: "Kewl. What's the T-shirt gonna say?"
Posted by: Reiver at January 13, 2011 05:49 AM (64S5N)
Posted by: Minuteman at January 13, 2011 05:51 AM (/3GFM)
Posted by: Chuckit at January 13, 2011 06:23 AM (uJnC5)
The relatives in front were obviously in misery. The rest of the crowd, as far as I can see, were a bunch of Obama fans intent on making a total hash of what should have been a dignified memorial service for a group of innocent people.
I now understand what Michelle Obama said about being ashamed of my country -- or I would, if I thought most Americans were like these cretins.
I am, however, completely appalled at the realization that the leaders of my country are either so incompetent or so political that they allowed this thing to go forward without the slightest trace of embarrassment -- and that the media, including a number of Republicans, who should know better, are giving Obama approbation for all of it. Aaaaargh!
Posted by: Lee at January 13, 2011 08:55 AM (BD1aO)
Watched it with the sound off. Body Language and face making only. Wow. Totally practiced and not a bit genuine. Its like he is badly apeing Bill Clinton. The guy is basically just a trained seal.
Posted by: Simplemind at January 13, 2011 03:15 PM (UYJ+m)
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