April 19, 2011

Geraghty: 2008 Will Not Be 2012
— Ace

I like this post. I get his "manic-depressive" schizophrenia in prognosticating 2012 -- I spend four days thinking "we can't win" and then three days thinking "we almost can't lose."

Good sum-up of Obama's problems.

He’s lost his touch: For an allegedly great communicator, most of Obama’s efforts to move public opinion since taking office have fallen flat. He never moved the numbers on health care. He’s no good as a surrogate for Democrats, as Jon Corzine, Creigh Deeds, Martha Coakley, and scores of Democrats learned in the midterms. He and his team can’t resist overpromising; his team put out a laughable chart about how the stimulus would keep unemployment low, and by September 2010, “Recovery Summer” was a punchline.

Jimmy Fallon had one of the first jokes that really hit Obama, just before Christmas 2009: “Michelle Obama’s not that excited about Christmas this year. It seems every year the president makes her this great big promise about how great a present he’ll get her, and then he never delivers.” The joke killed. People began to draw a conclusion about Obama: He always promises the moon and gives you much, much less.

Speaking of that: Obama got testy with an aggressive reporter for, as Drudge calls it, the "first time." That is, the first time a reporter's treated Obama like a citizen in a democracy rather than a Sun King fated to sit upon the Celestial Throne.

Sample testiness:

"That's wrong," the president stated. "That had nothing to do with it; the White House had nothing to do with it."

When Watson persisted, Obama said, "I just said that was wrong," and, later, "I just said that wasn't true."

I think he's talking about the politically-motivated decision to send one of the retired Space Shuttles to NYC instead of the more-deserving Houston, but it sort of doesn't matter -- it could be about anything. His petulance and lack of adult-level conflict-navigation skills are on display.

Obama does not do well when challenged, whether by people or circumstances. One can hardly blame him; he's hardly had to face any challenges in his life and so he's never developed the coping skills most people pick up by their early teens. Although previously praised for having a "first class temperament" and preternatural cool, he doesn't -- almost everyone can appear charming and even masterful in easy situations.

I never lose my cool when buying coffee at Dunkin Donuts, for example. I don't get angry or seem desperate. Because... it's not a difficult situation to face.

And pretty much that's been Obama's life. The toughest thing he's faced is dealing gracefully with being overpraised. His skill in dealing with challenge is mostly restricted to charmingly deflecting compliments and flattery.

2008 won't be like 2012 in that respect. The national media is all-in with Obama, and will do what it can to shield him, coddle him, as he's used to; but not everyone out there will be on Team Obama, and some reporters (like this local guy in Texas) might actually decide to do their jobs and, as they say, "comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable."

And Obama won't handle that well. He never has responded well to criticism.

And even the monolithic liberal national media can't completely pretend the last four years haven't happened. Obama is now no longer just an abstraction or an "empty screen upon which to project one's hopes;" he actually has a record. And he can barely explain away that record, let alone run on it in a positive way.

Not Really Related: Drudge's funny juxtaposition in headlines.


Posted by: Ace at 07:40 AM | Comments (238)
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1
shouldn't it be the other way around?

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 19, 2011 07:43 AM (uFokq)

2 shouldn't it be the other way around?

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip

 

Not necessarily Sherman.

Posted by: Mr. Peabody at April 19, 2011 07:45 AM (6rX0K)

3 One point....the media, (and Obama, and his various hangers-on, and cronies), will explain away his first four years by blaming Bush.

Posted by: DngrMse at April 19, 2011 07:45 AM (aaW0M)

4
btw, I just paid $102 to fill my tank @ $3.73/gal.

Thank you, George Bush Barack Hussein Obama, mmmm mmmmm mmmmm.

Barack Obama INHERITED $189/gal gasoline. It has DOUBLED in price since Obama took siege of the Executive Branch.


Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 19, 2011 07:45 AM (uFokq)

5 “Michelle Obama’s not that excited about Christmas this year. It seems every year the president makes her this great big promise about how great a present he’ll get her, and then he never delivers.”

I imagine she's used to this kind of treatment.

Poor Fallon. I think he thinks he's just supposed to be a comedian. Poor guy. I'm sure the administration will assign a political officer to his show soon.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 19, 2011 07:45 AM (T0NGe)

6 Obama has blown it.  Remember, it took Reagan more than two years to turn the economy around.  Obama had one chance to do the same.  And he still hasn't started.   It's too late for him to turn it around, and, what's worse, one big insult to the world economy, and it stands a chance of getting worse.

So my prediction is that it's still the economy, stupid, and things will be so rotten in two years, Obama won't stand a chance.  Unless there's something crazy, like a Ross Perot fucking up the election.

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 19, 2011 07:46 AM (KHvDg)

7 beck just said the black panters are going to be protesting at "racist's homes" on Saturday.

How do they know who is a racist and who isn't?

Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 07:47 AM (k1rwm)

8 There 'ya go.  Challenge Obie at every turn.  Make him explain himself and his policies.  Ask him why the economy's in the tank and his approval ratings are sinking.  Wait for Chrissy Matthews to spit and slobber and accuse his lust object's critics of racism.  Laugh in Chrissy's foam-speckled face and watch his head explode.  Good times.  Good times.

Posted by: Reiver at April 19, 2011 07:47 AM (64S5N)

9
speaking of Martha Coakley...

She wants to expand domestic wiretapping to include gang members.

It's part of her genius plan to stop what she cleverly calls disorganized crime.

yarly


Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 19, 2011 07:48 AM (uFokq)

10 Reversed dates in the title?

Posted by: rdbrewer at April 19, 2011 07:48 AM (KHvDg)

11 Can I just finish my waffle?

Posted by: Barack at April 19, 2011 07:49 AM (5Rurq)

12

How do they know who is a racist and who isn't?

They have my home address!?

Posted by: Eric Holder - Race Warrior at April 19, 2011 07:49 AM (Xd1GZ)

13 @4 I feel your pain, put $100 in my tank (which apparently is all my bank will allow me to spend in gas in 1 transaction) and it didnt even fill it up. It was close but still, spending $100 and not hearing the "click" of the pump is pretty much devastating. But its ok, im going to be in on the ground floor when obama releases his gas stamp welfare model.

Posted by: AZ Minuteman at April 19, 2011 07:49 AM (mXr8n)

14 beck just said the black panters are going to be protesting at "racist's homes" on Saturday.

Hope they don't get too winded.

Posted by: dagny at April 19, 2011 07:49 AM (0J+Zc)

15 And he can barely explain away that record, let alone run on it in a positive way.

I don't care. Obama is awesome.

Posted by: Glassy-eyed Obamazombie at April 19, 2011 07:49 AM (d1Reb)

16 Ace said: "Although previously praised for having a "first class temperament" and preternatural cool, he doesn't -- almost everyone can appear charming and even masterful in easy situations."

This.  Probably the worst example was during the financial meltdown in Oct 2008- the media kept praising him for remaining so calm during the crisis, which was absurd because for him it wasn't a crisis, it was clearly a political gift, which virtually guaranteed his election. 

Posted by: Jon at April 19, 2011 07:49 AM (Xt7UU)

17 At the Kennedy Center shindig with Oprah and Chris Rock, Barack looked like he could kill Chris Rock when he made the joke that "Oprah got him his job." Barack stared daggers at him for about 10 seconds, while everybody laughed, and then he pasted on his famous fake smile.

Look out, Chris!

Posted by: PJ at April 19, 2011 07:50 AM (erPX9)

18 Even though some here on not keen on her now, you guys would love to see Palin challenge Obama in a debate unlike McCain.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 07:50 AM (QFDy/)

19 11 Can I just finish my waffle?

Posted by: Barack at April 19, 2011 11:49 AM (5Rurq)

Don't get this guy near a Dunkin Donuts, he'll go ballistic.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 19, 2011 07:51 AM (T0NGe)

20 And even the monolithic liberal national media can't completely pretend the last four years haven't happened.

That's why our candidate's debating skills must be top-notch.  I think the Presidential Debates will be crucial, and he'll probably only agree to the historical minimum to boot.  That's where the naked emperor can be exposed, and those that see him exposed will then see the MBM try to spin for him again after the fact.


Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 19, 2011 07:52 AM (IVQSY)

21 I never lose my cool when buying coffee at Dunkin Donuts, for example.

I sometimes get a little flustered if the order-taking wench is particularly cute.

This is a good point, though. This lazy incompetent asshole could only lay claim to being "No Drama Obama" because no one ever made life remotely difficult for him.


Posted by: Waterhouse at April 19, 2011 07:52 AM (Q95Dr)

22 After the Chicago thugs are done with Brad Watson you won't see anyone question the messiah again.

Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 19, 2011 07:52 AM (F/4zf)

23 So we're utterly fucking bankrupt?  Just give me more of that sweet, sweet Barky appearances-centrism.  I always vote on what shit looks like.

Posted by: The American Voter at April 19, 2011 07:52 AM (jOhWH)

24 The other day, I had a political chat with a full on libtard co-worker. This is someone who totally and completely supported Obama, and indeed, gave him the max money allowed. Money which he could not really afford.

Long story short, he has completely and utterly given up on Teh Won and will NOT, under any circumstances, vote for him again.  My guess is that he'll sit out the election, rather than vote Republican.

Exit question: how many Democrats are p*ssed with Obama, and will sit out the election in '12?

Posted by: shibumi at April 19, 2011 07:53 AM (OKZrE)

25 Lost his touch?! Hey, he got us the Olympics, didn't he?

Posted by: t-bird at April 19, 2011 07:53 AM (FcR7P)

26
Gas stamps? Could happen.

Why, just recently in MA the state funded a program to give used cars to the poor.

That's in addition to housing them in...motel rooms...because they ran out of room in public housing.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 19, 2011 07:54 AM (uFokq)

27 I sometimes get a little flustered if the order-taking wench is particularly cute.

OK, when she says, "Would you like room for cream?" is it appropriate to say "Would you?"

I don't know my Emily Post on that one.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 19, 2011 07:54 AM (T0NGe)

28 You've obviously never been to the Dunkin Donuts near my office.

Posted by: Michael at April 19, 2011 07:54 AM (FC2+c)

29 Even though it shows that liberals are less spirited than in 2008, we should still be glad. Even though the liberal idiots will still vote for him, it means less GOTV and $ for Obama.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 07:54 AM (QFDy/)

30

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 11:50 AM (QFDy/)

Nah, will never happen... but I wanna see TRUMP on the same debate platform as Obama...

He'd have Bambi sputtering like a Motor boat...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2011 07:55 AM (NtXW4)

31 This.  Probably the worst example was during the financial meltdown in Oct 2008- the media kept praising him for remaining so calm during the crisis, which was absurd because for him it wasn't a crisis, it was clearly a political gift, which virtually guaranteed his election.

Yes.  Not doing anything, and not being concerned about your not doing anything is apathy, not "coolness under pressure." 

At least you can say that McCain had to remain cool for 2 splashdowns and the Forrestal fire incident, which is proof of actual mettle - because if he hadn't had it, he never would have been on the stage with Obumbles.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 19, 2011 07:55 AM (IVQSY)

32 At the bare minimum, anyone saying he's "the one" will be laughed off the stage.

Posted by: dagny at April 19, 2011 07:55 AM (0J+Zc)

33 First time Drudge? What about his waffles reply? He's been rude and snippy many times. It was just ignored previously.

Posted by: polynikes at April 19, 2011 07:55 AM (7sQ6G)

34 Yeah, I remember 2012 like it was yesterday....

Posted by: jwpaine at April 19, 2011 07:56 AM (FUozQ)

35 When talking about all-out-for-Obama-media (AoFo) you should link the piece in the side bar yesterday where the media editted out Obama calling workers slugs, from the tape of Obama on the open mic.

Posted by: momma at April 19, 2011 07:56 AM (penCf)

36 Just to let you guys know, the debates are staged theater.  It sounds cool to talk about debates, but campaigns are never won or lost on the debates.  It's just that it's a single event that everybody pays attention to.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 19, 2011 07:56 AM (T0NGe)

37

I never lose my cool when buying coffee at Dunkin Donuts, for example.

speak for yourself

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE OUT OF BEARCLAWS??!!  I WILL THROW THIS SCALDING HOT COFFEE IN YOUR FACE UNLESS I GET A BEARCLAW NOW!!!

Posted by: anger issues guy at April 19, 2011 07:56 AM (oired)

38 I would almost want Trump to win the primary JUST for the debate. I would also  like his debater to say, "Can you even get one sentence out without saying "um"? That would fuck him up for the rest of the night.

Posted by: dagny at April 19, 2011 07:57 AM (0J+Zc)

39
Ha I love that the news channel included that last bit as they were wrapping up the interview.  "Let me finish my answers".

Obama seems like such an asshole.  Seriously, everyone needs to see that last bit.  There is only one way to describe the way he acts there, and it isn't partisan:  he acts like an asshole.

Posted by: dan-O at April 19, 2011 07:57 AM (bRLuD)

40

Nah, will never happen... but I wanna see TRUMP on the same debate platform as Obama...

He'd have Bambi sputtering like a Motor boat...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2011 11:55 AM (NtXW4)

C'mon. You do know Palin has a more realistic shot at the nomination than Trump.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 07:58 AM (QFDy/)

41 7 beck just said the black panters are going to be protesting at "racist's homes" on Saturday.

Are you saying they won't be going out this weekend?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 19, 2011 07:59 AM (pdRb1)

42 HeÂ’s lost his touch No, the media has. Obama thinks it's his touch, but he's just a figurehead. Has he ever watched one of his own speeches? Sorry, dude, but my Obama bobblehead that I keep in a jar of piss has just as much gravitas. And perhaps a little more eloquence.

Posted by: t-bird at April 19, 2011 07:59 AM (FcR7P)

43 Shorter Ace: Obama will suck more cock in 2012 than he did in 2008.

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 19, 2011 07:59 AM (OxqbD)

44 There's a hysterical local news report about how DC is upset that suburban parents are not paying the tuition they were billed for bringing their children in to attend DC public schools. Yeah. People are taking their kids out of the suburbs and into DC for the schools. BWahaha. Because DC schools are so good and safe.

Posted by: dagny at April 19, 2011 08:00 AM (0J+Zc)

45 Obama and the media will blame everything on Bush and Republicans. I remember how ecstatic my Father and uncles were at Obama's election, but they cautioned each other on how the scheming Republicans will never allow Obama to succeed; they'll foil and block everything he tries to accomplish! If there was no Republican party at all, then Obama would succeed in fundamentally transforming America, as he promised.

Posted by: Pyrocles at April 19, 2011 08:00 AM (cv5Iw)

46
Sen Scott Brown was on with the local sports yakkers, this morning. They asked why he voted against defunding Planned Nonparenthood.

Scott said if we researched the issue we'd learn that 80% of the funds go towards disease screening and nifty shit like that and it would be irresponsible to defund that care.

Now, tell me, if you were the interviewer, what would be the next thing you'd say?

a) Ahhh, okay, Senator, great to talk with you.
b) Then why, Senator, didn't you propose to cut 20% of their funding?

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 19, 2011 08:01 AM (uFokq)

47 When Watson persisted, Obama said, "I just said that was wrong," and, later, "I just said that wasn't true."

Thinking back to 2001-2002, that strikes me as a very al-Saud kind of answer. Is the parallel a royalist tendency, or otherwise? I dunno -- I'm just, y'know, sayin'....

Posted by: Ken at April 19, 2011 08:01 AM (hBOZg)

48 I hope that whoever gets the nomination makes Barry cry during the debates.

Or better yet, stomp off in anger.

Yeah, that would be sweet.

But I'm pretty sure his boyfriends in the media would not let that happen on camera.

Posted by: shibumi at April 19, 2011 08:01 AM (OKZrE)

49 I feel your enthusiasm, ace, but I'm learning to inject more pessimism into my expectations. Of COURSE Obama is a colossal fuckup, liar, coward and pissy little Fauntleroy. But will it matter? Is it as obvious to enough voters as it is to us? And even if it is, can the Republican party capitalize on it? Will the Republican nominee be willing to bash Obama over the head with his record, or say something terrifyingly stupid like, "You have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency." Never overestimate the intelligence and informed self-interest of the voting public. Never underestimate the willingness of the GOP to nominate another loser as a peerage award.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 19, 2011 08:02 AM (Y0wFY)

50

I never lose my cool when buying coffee at Dunkin Donuts, for example. I don't get angry or seem desperate.

Try buying a pound of it at the supermarket. Target was trying to sell it for $8.99 a while ago.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 19, 2011 08:02 AM (XdlcF)

51 I just listened to O'fucknuts speach in VA. If that was the best he can do we really can't lose. It was so awfull even the university kids weren't buying it! His answers to the q n a at the end were embarrassing they were so bad. He really is a joke now.

Posted by: lhn at April 19, 2011 08:03 AM (OwOFa)

52

I never lose my cool when buying coffee at Dunkin Donuts, for example.

speak for yourself

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE OUT OF BEARCLAWS??!!  I WILL THROW THIS SCALDING HOT COFFEE IN YOUR FACE UNLESS I GET A BEARCLAW NOW!!!

Posted by: anger issues guy

Such public displays are indicative of an unstable personality

Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at April 19, 2011 08:04 AM (6rX0K)

Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 08:05 AM (k1rwm)

54 "Obama won't stand a chance.  Unless there's something crazy, like a Ross Perot fucking up the election."

Hello

Posted by: Donald Trump at April 19, 2011 08:05 AM (yPTcS)

55 The money quote in the clip is at the very end: after the interview is wrapping up, as Obama is divesting himself of the lapel mic as fast as possible, he's heard to say to the reporter: "Next time, let me finish my answers" or something to that affect.  I heard the audio on the radio this morning (the reporter is for our local ABC affiliate- Channel 8 ) and so the local talker I listen to was playing it.    He sounded positively ticked at the guy.

More importantly, the "interruptions" were standard "answer clarification" interruptions that all politicians (except the Child-King) have to endure quite regularly.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 08:05 AM (8y9MW)

56 People are taking their kids out of the suburbs and into DC for the schools. BWahaha. Because DC schools are so good and safe.

Posted by: dagny at April 19, 2011 12:00 PM (0J+Zc)

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard about.  I didn't even think Montgomery county idiots were that stupid; or is it PGers and Virginians?

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 19, 2011 08:06 AM (vEVry)

57

I never lose my cool when buying coffee at Dunkin Donuts, for example.

speak for yourself

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE OUT OF BEARCLAWS??!!  I WILL THROW THIS SCALDING HOT COFFEE IN YOUR FACE UNLESS I GET A BEARCLAW NOW!!!

Posted by: anger issues guy

Such public displays are indicative of an unstable personality

Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at April 19, 2011 12:04 PM (6rX0K)


Seriously....get a grip.

Posted by: Mother of 4 on spring break at Burger King at April 19, 2011 08:06 AM (VuLos)

58 Geraghty: 2008 Will Not Be 2012 You have no idea...

Posted by: The Mayans at April 19, 2011 08:06 AM (FcR7P)

59 I just listened to O'fucknuts speach in VA. If that was the best he can do we really can't lose. It was so awfull even the university kids weren't buying it! His answers to the q n a at the end were embarrassing they were so bad. He really is a joke now.

Posted by: lhn at April 19, 2011 12:03 PM (OwOFa)

Which college?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 08:06 AM (QFDy/)

60 Obama does not do well when challenged, whether by people or circumstances. One can hardly blame him; he's hardly had to face any challenges in his life and so he's never developed the coping skills most people pick up by their early teens.

Which is why some, ho-hum nice guy like Pawlenty or Romney won't do well against him. The only thing they attack is a ham-sandwich when they are hungry.

Ducks...

Posted by: Marcus at April 19, 2011 08:06 AM (CHrmZ)

61

No way does Obama win.

Posted by: exceller at April 19, 2011 08:07 AM (jx2Td)

62 I get his "manic-depressive" schizophrenia in prognosticating 2012 -- I spend four days thinking "we can't win" and then three days thinking "we almost can't lose."

Which reminds me.  Are you still smoking the e-cigarette?

Posted by: FUBAR at April 19, 2011 08:08 AM (McG46)

63 "btw, it was so nice of chuckie to give the republican running for kay bailey's seat a nice commercial" says my friend from Texas.

He's probably right.

Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 08:09 AM (k1rwm)

64 HeÂ’s lost his touch: For an allegedly great communicator, most of ObamaÂ’s efforts to move public opinion since taking office have fallen flat. He never moved the numbers on health care.

Obama won on non-meaningful rhetoric. Stupid voters "wished" him into office attributing all kinds of stuff to him based on nothing. He now has a record, even as the press still tries to hide it.

Personally I am not scared of him getting reelected. The only way Republicans lose is they nominate another POS RINO candidate who causes the base to stay at home.

Now that is a real possibility.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 08:10 AM (M9Ie6)

65 Never underestimate the willingness of the GOP to nominate another loser as a peerage award.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 19, 2011 12:02 PM (Y0wFY)

I looked at the list on FNS and wanted to vomit.  Where are the goddamn adults to tell Newt and Mittens to go the fuck away?

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 19, 2011 08:10 AM (vEVry)

66

he's hardly had to face any challenges in his life and so he's never developed the coping skills most people pick up by their early teens

Careful with the overgeneralization, there. This sad little boy had to deal with desertion by his father, desertion by his second "father," and finally, desertion by his mother. He's developed extraordinary (read: wrongheaded) coping skills, most notoriously the narcissistic personality disorder that leads him to seek approval of his façade from ever-larger and more fawning crowds of strangers.

He hasn't faced professional challenges, yes. That's why his (few) defeats are so devastating. They injure the false front he works so hard to maintain.

If and when he loses in 2012 he will be a broken man, because that will be the first time he's actually lost something he sought. He won't be able to patch a hole that big.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at April 19, 2011 08:10 AM (tc+tG)

67 Obama does not do well when challenged, whether by people or circumstances. One can hardly blame him; he's hardly had to face any challenges in his life and so he's never developed the coping skills most people pick up by their early teens. Although previously praised for having a "first class temperament" and preternatural cool, he doesn't -- almost everyone can appear charming and even masterful in easy situations.

You mean waiting for someone else to come in and do the work to overcome the challenge, and then take credit for the accomplishment is not a coping skill?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 19, 2011 08:10 AM (IVQSY)

68 No way does Obama win.

In 1992 a lot of people and I all believed that there was no way a transparent unamerican liar like slick Willie could win.

Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 19, 2011 08:10 AM (F/4zf)

69 I'm doing economics as a major and this weekend found out my proffessor was a conservative. Score.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 08:11 AM (QFDy/)

70 And you can bet your sweet ass that Obama will be completely insulated from anyone who doesn't wish suck his cock. Until the debates, anyway.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 08:12 AM (W30Dg)

71 And even the monolithic liberal national media can't completely pretend the last four years haven't happened.

Oh, yes they can and I believe they will. They are all-in, like in a poker game. They lied the Sun King into office, and there's no way to disengage at this point. Rats, sinking ship, etc.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish

 

Completely? No. What they can do is cover some of the negatives, in a controlled, spun fashion in coordination with each other and the Dear Leader's Administration/campaign (as if there's a difference). This would be even worse for the nation, as it affords them the opportunity to defuse potential advantages and control the 'narrative'.

Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at April 19, 2011 08:12 AM (6rX0K)

72 >>Just to let you guys know, the debates are staged theater. It sounds cool to talk about debates, but campaigns are never won or lost on the debates. It's just that it's a single event that everybody pays attention to. Kennedy - Nixon 1960 Carter - Reagan 1980

Posted by: JackStraw at April 19, 2011 08:13 AM (TMB3S)

73 How do they know who is a racist and who isn't?

They have records of everyone who voted Republican in 2008.

Posted by: Damiano at April 19, 2011 08:13 AM (3nrx7)

74 I'm doing economics as a major and this weekend found out my proffessor was a conservative. Score.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka

 

And you just informed on him. Present your kneecaps for adjutication.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 19, 2011 08:13 AM (6rX0K)

75

If and when he loses in 2012 he will be a broken man, because that will be the first time he's actually lost something he sought. He won't be able to patch a hole that big.

 

This knowledge is nothing new...

Posted by: Michelle Obama's Landing Strip at April 19, 2011 08:13 AM (Xd1GZ)

76 One Humongeous Meltdown / Explosion in public, mic on and cameras rolling, and Obama

is Done ( done as in finito, exposed, etc )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at April 19, 2011 08:14 AM (UqKQV)

77 In 1992 a lot of people and I all believed that there was no way a transparent unamerican liar like slick Willie could win.

Ross Perot had a lot to do with that. Which is why I fear Trump running as an independent.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 19, 2011 08:14 AM (tf9Ne)

78 If I had gotten snotty like that, when I was young and playing the role of the president, my mama woulda slapped that scowl right off of my dimply little face.

Posted by: Fritz at April 19, 2011 08:15 AM (GwPRU)

79

This knowledge is nothing new...

Posted by: Michelle Obama's Landing Strip at April 19, 2011 12:13 PM (Xd1GZ)

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! My MIND!!! I'm leavin all. This was terrible. Ban this sockpuppet!

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 08:15 AM (QFDy/)

80 In 1992 a lot of people and I all believed that there was no way a transparent unamerican liar like slick Willie could win.

Clinton got 43% of the vote. The Republicans gave away that election. RINO Bush inspired the base to stay at home or vote for Ross Perot.

The same thing could happen in 2012 with that asshole hair piece Trump running as a third party.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 08:15 AM (M9Ie6)

81 More importantly, the "interruptions" were standard "answer clarification" interruptions that all politicians (except the Child-King) have to endure quite regularly.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 12:05 PM (8y9MW)

Right, I saw the interview last night on Channel 8. It was apparent that Obama was pissed that a reporter would challenge an answer. Brad Watson made the most of the short time that he had, although the question about the shuttle was not on my top-ten list of questions for the arrogant Master of the Universe. He cannot stand it when someone questions his statements. I laughed out loud when he said he "loves Texas." Yeah, like a tick loves a hot match.

Posted by: mikeyslaw at April 19, 2011 08:17 AM (QMGr1)

82 Ross Perot had a lot to do with that. Which is why I fear Trump running as an independent.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 19, 2011 12:14 PM (tf9Ne)

He won't. As a repub nom, he would lose by 15 points according to rasmussen. He wont do any better as an independent. He is just high off of attacking Obama. He would have to reveal a ton of business information if he runs. He said he can not wait to do it but we all know he is lying. He is just blowing hot air. Trump I dont think will run. He will make a "last minute decison. See ya all.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 08:17 AM (QFDy/)

83

This knowledge is nothing new...

Posted by: Michelle Obama's Landing Strip at April 19, 2011 12:13 PM (Xd1GZ)

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! My MIND!!! I'm leavin all. This was terrible. Ban this sockpuppet!

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 12:15 PM (QFDy/)

I wonder if Velcro sticks to it?

 

Okay, I'm banning myself now...

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 08:18 AM (W30Dg)

84 Ross Perot had a lot to do with that. Which is why I fear Trump running as an independent. Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 19, 2011 12:14 PM (tf9Ne) Ding! You win the prize! There's a DemonRat operative out there who's patting himself on the back for convincing Trump to clog up the GOP primaries and then, when he loses, run third party. That's Barky's way to victory and it might already be in the bag.

Posted by: joncelli at April 19, 2011 08:19 AM (RD7QR)

85 Obama's "first class temperment" lauded by intellectualoids and mediaholes was one of the biggest piles of dogshit ever foisted on American voters.

Posted by: boniface ballers at April 19, 2011 08:20 AM (bPbwB)

86 I'm doing economics as a major and this weekend found out my proffessor was a conservative. Score.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka

You might instead think about basket-weaving or animal husbandry.  Gunsmithing!  There's not going to be an economy by the time you get out of school.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 19, 2011 08:20 AM (McG46)

87 obama = *Post turtle

*For those unfamiliar with the term, a "post- turtle is a turtle perched atop a fence post.
It's unclear how it got up there, but equally clear that it didn't get up there by it's own effort...

Posted by: Colt at April 19, 2011 08:21 AM (bbofQ)

88 Ophah was the one that coined 'The One', right? Yeah, so she's on record as saying she's not going political next year. Uh huh. If he had high favorables she'd be out there personally doing his fund-raising.

Say what you will about her, she's not stupid in the business sense. She sees the handwriting on the wall - he's far more toxic than any CERCLA Superfund site.

That said, the Repubilcans will still fuck up. They don't know how to do anything else.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2011 08:22 AM (pLTLS)

89 Awesome:

A roadside sign advertising the theme of a Palm Sunday sermon at a local church: "President Obama or King Jesus," has upset at least one local family, but the parish pastor said the message was misinterpreted


Stupid person driving by:  "It's like he wants us to choose between the president and Jesus — which one should you believe in?" Gladitsch said.

Posted by: momma at April 19, 2011 08:22 AM (penCf)

90 I wonder if Velcro sticks to it?

Well if it does what kind of landing strip accouterments would you affix to it?

I suppose that's a self banning comment too but it is Honey Badger approved.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 19, 2011 08:23 AM (tf9Ne)

91

This knowledge is nothing new...

Posted by: Michelle Obama's Landing Strip at April 19, 2011 12:13 PM (Xd1GZ)

Help me find my keys and we can fly out of here.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 19, 2011 08:23 AM (McG46)

92 I only get angry and desperate in very difficult situations. Like when my asshole boss tells me to do something cause he thinks he's better than me. Or like when some stuck-up bitch won't go out with me, even after I offer to pay for the Domino's and RedBox DVD and very clearly (and politely) said I wanted to make love on her. I didn't say spooge or anything gross like all those pricks at work think I would say, no, I said I wanted to "make love"  on her. You know, in a classy way.

Posted by: Muhammad's Left Nut at April 19, 2011 08:23 AM (QcFbt)

93 Ace of Spades: Forward into the Past!* *(Name that obscure reference!)

Posted by: joncelli at April 19, 2011 08:23 AM (RD7QR)

94
Ding! You win the prize! There's a DemonRat operative out there who's patting himself on the back for convincing Trump to clog up the GOP primaries and then, when he loses, run third party. That's Barky's way to victory and it might already be in the bag.

Posted by: joncelli

 

 Trump is a bombastic sob, but he needs money to do this, and will not be able to do this on his own hook. That Rasmussen poll may or may not have been read by Trump, but was read by Republicans and the bid donors. The poll suggests that Trump can hurt obama, but currently cannot get close to Obama.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 19, 2011 08:23 AM (6rX0K)

95 2008 won't be like 2012 in that respect.

And there is another critical point. In 2008 most Obama voters falsely believed that the Republicans controlled the corrupt failed congress and voted for Obama in part to throw the bums out.

In 2012, Obama can't run as the outside reformer. He's going to have to deal with a real track record - and not a good one.

I expect the State Media will try to blame all the world's problems on Boehner and co, but its not going to work. The low information voters they are trying to influence only pay attention to who the president is.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2011 08:23 AM (7BU4a)

96

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard about.  I didn't even think Montgomery county idiots were that stupid; or is it PGers and Virginians?

No chance Virginia. Maybe Prince george's county--the new annacostia.

Posted by: dagny at April 19, 2011 08:24 AM (0J+Zc)

97

He is just high off of attacking Obama. He would have to reveal a ton of business information if he runs. He said he can not wait to do it but we all know he is lying. He is just blowing hot air

Completely agree. Except I have a shorthand way of saying it: Trump won't run for president because it's too much work. Campaigning, and god forbid - governing. Having to deal with that pesky legislative branch..no no, not for The Donald.

 

Posted by: Marla at April 19, 2011 08:24 AM (kD8Fh)

98 I only get angry and desperate in very difficult situations. Like when my asshole boss tells me to do something cause he thinks he's better than me. Or like when some stuck-up bitch won't go out with me, even after I offer to pay for the Domino's and RedBox DVD and very clearly (and politely) said I wanted to make love on her. I didn't say spooge or anything gross like all those pricks at work think I would say, no, I said I wanted to "make love"  on her. You know, in a classy way.

Posted by: Muhammad's Left Nut

Dude, you were outta line last week with that last chick.

Posted by: the other nut is always right at April 19, 2011 08:24 AM (6rX0K)

99 84 He won't. As a repub nom, he would lose by 15 points according to rasmussen. He wont do any better as an independent. He is just high off of attacking Obama. He would have to reveal a ton of business information if he runs. He said he can not wait to do it but we all know he is lying. He is just blowing hot air. Trump I dont think will run. He will make a "last minute decison. See ya all.

Depends...what if Trump is the same reliable Dem fixer he always was until, oh, a month or so ago?

Posted by: Ken at April 19, 2011 08:24 AM (hBOZg)

100 Gold just hit $1500. Yea, I'm pretty sure there will be some healthy "unexpected" questions for Baracky to answer before the next election.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 19, 2011 08:24 AM (TMB3S)

101 Stupid person driving by:  "It's like he wants us to choose between the president and Jesus — which one should you believe in?" Gladitsch said.

Posted by: momma at April 19, 2011 12:22 PM (penCf)

Hey, I won't punish you with a baby.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 19, 2011 08:24 AM (7BU4a)

102 2008: There is no way that some guy who's never had a legitimate job, hangs out with terrorists, had a recently convicted felon help him buy his house, who's primary legislative accomplishment in his extremely limited political career is voting "present", who spent over $2 million to hide documents that nearly everyone else on earth would routinely present in a job interview for a janitor, and who's middle name is Hussein will ever get elected President of the United States.

2011: There is no way, with his record, Obama can get re-elected.

...

I guess that The Chicken is not the exclusive carnal property of the Obama Administration, huh?

Posted by: Damiano at April 19, 2011 08:25 AM (3nrx7)

103 Just to let you guys know, the debates are staged theater. It sounds cool to talk about debates, but campaigns are never won or lost on the debates. It's just that it's a single event that everybody pays attention to.

Hope'nChange 2008 was staged theater. 

The debates are where a whole bunch of "I don't pay attention but once every four years when I do my civic duty by making what amounts to a wholly arbitrary choice between the candidates presented to me based on no particular consistent political philosophy," also known as "moderate and independent swing voters" make up their minds.  Unfortunately, these people decide Presidential elections. 

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 19, 2011 08:25 AM (IVQSY)

104 If and when he loses in 2012 he will be a broken man, because that will be the first time he's actually lost something he sought. He won't be able to patch a hole that big. GOOD. Let that America-hating motherfucker take the gas pipe if he has any balls, then. But he won't. Because if he wasn't too pussy to try, he's just fuck up a suicide attempt like everything else he's tried.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 19, 2011 08:25 AM (Y0wFY)

105 That said, the Repubilcans will still fuck up. They don't know how to do anything else.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2011 12:22 PM (pLTLS)

Know who wouldn't fuck up?  Rand Paul, that's who.  How can you trust anyone else to cut spending?  You can't.

Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 19, 2011 08:26 AM (McG46)

106 Obama's "first class temperment" lauded by intellectualoids and mediaholes was one of the biggest piles of dogshit ever foisted on American voters.

Posted by: boniface ballers at April 19, 2011 12:20 PM (bPbwB)

The voters acted stupidly.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 19, 2011 08:26 AM (7BU4a)

107 ""Ophah was the one that coined 'The One', right? Yeah, so she's on record as saying she's not going political next year. Uh huh. If he had high favorables she'd be out there personally doing his fund-raising spreading her ass cheeks''


fixed for accuracy .

Posted by: Berserker at April 19, 2011 08:26 AM (FMbng)

108 I never lose my cool when buying coffee at Dunkin Donuts, for example. I don't get angry or seem desperate. Because... it's not a difficult situation to face.

That's true, it's not. Not like ordering McNuggets and being told they are out. Now that's tough. Even calling 911 does no good. What would Obama do if they were out of McNuggets is what I want to know.

Posted by: Rocks at April 19, 2011 08:26 AM (Q1lie)

109 I'm so cool that I wait until after the interview to admonish the reporter for not letting me finish my answers. Because, you know, there's a real point in doing that...

Posted by: Barry Obammy at April 19, 2011 08:27 AM (xs5wK)

110

Completely agree. Except I have a shorthand way of saying it: Trump won't run for president because it's too much work. Campaigning, and god forbid - governing. Having to deal with that pesky legislative branch..no no, not for The Donald.

 

Posted by: Marla at April 19, 2011 12:24 PM (kD8Fh)

Exactly. Mitt Romney taught us in 2008 that you can not just be a TV candidate. You have to go around and suck everyone's dick and retail politic like crazy. Teh Donald wont subject himslef to that.

OK, gotta go. That was seriously my last post.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 19, 2011 08:27 AM (QFDy/)

111 Know who wouldn't fuck up?  Rand Paul, that's who.  How can you trust anyone else to cut spending?  You can't.

There's a much better candidate out there - Mitt Romney.

Prevent the nation from going further into shit - vote for Mitt!

Posted by: Psuedo-Dan at April 19, 2011 08:27 AM (9hSKh)

112 Obama is doomed. Play with this map: http://www.270towin.com/ I figure all the red states stay red, but he will lose VA, NC, FL, IN, NV, and CO. That gets the Rs up to 262 EC votes. If the Rs pick up just Ohio, it is over for him.

Posted by: Crashpanic at April 19, 2011 08:28 AM (jFz45)

113
There's a much better candidate out there - Mitt Romney.

Prevent the nation from going further into shit - vote for Mitt!

Posted by: Psuedo-Dan at April 19, 2011 12:27 PM (9hSKh)

Yeah, Mittens really fixed Massachusetts' budget, huh?

Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 19, 2011 08:28 AM (McG46)

114
I think OH, right now, is more reliably red than CO.

CO worries me. But I think we can turn NH red in 2012.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 19, 2011 08:29 AM (uFokq)

115

Ah... the Repbulican 'no one can run as third party or we loose' folks are out in full force....

Funny that the EXACT same messege that brought Ross Perot forward... ie budget balancing, and foreign trade and debt issues, are the reason we may have another third party person running.... against another RINO...

Santana said 'those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it'

History keeps saying 'What? I didn't yell LOUD ENOUGH the first time?'

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2011 08:29 AM (NtXW4)

116 IMHO, Trump has been operating as the GOP spoiler from day one.  You'll start seeing the MFM discuss him as a legitimate challenger to Obama once they become fully invested in this ruse.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 19, 2011 08:30 AM (9eDbm)

117 Oh, and speaking of Obama when he's done Presidentin':  do you think Jimmy Carter badmouths America?  Do you think Bill Clinton badmouths America?  Do you think Dinnerjacket badmouths America?  You ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 19, 2011 08:30 AM (McG46)

118 Clinton got 43% of the vote. The Republicans gave away that election. RINO Bush inspired the base to stay at home or vote for Ross Perot.

Wow, you think the elder Bush 41 was a RINO?  If so my hat is off to you, the RINO label has been taken to strange new worlds where even I wouldn't take it.

Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 19, 2011 08:30 AM (F/4zf)

119 I figure all the red states stay red, but he will lose VA, NC, FL, IN, NV, and CO. That gets the Rs up to 262 EC votes. If the Rs pick up just Ohio, it is over for him.

Posted by: Crashpanic at April 19, 2011 12:28 PM (jFz45)


You are right except for Ohio. He's already lost it. It's beating him in NV and CO which will be harder.

Posted by: Rocks at April 19, 2011 08:31 AM (Q1lie)

120 If anyone's looking for some good Earth Day Let's Punch Some Hippies in the Face Day videos, here's a good start.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2011 08:31 AM (pLTLS)

121
NV shouldn't be a problem unless that new gov shits the bed.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 19, 2011 08:31 AM (uFokq)

122 Totally unrelated:

Obama keeps saying we can grow like China by building new roads like they are doing!

Why won't someone say to him: 'Mr. President, Japan is building new fucking roads too, do you want 10 natural disasters within a month?  Libya is going to have to build roads too, do you want the US to be bombed by NATO and fucking France (okay, the US but he promises we aren't doing that anymore).

Posted by: momma at April 19, 2011 08:32 AM (penCf)

123 In 1992 a lot of people and I all believed that there was no way a transparent unamerican liar like slick Willie could win.

Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 19, 2011 12:10 PM (F/4zf)

In 1992 the Soviet Union had collapsed and the biggest challenge the public could see was a slow recovery from a mild recession.

In 2012 we will likely  have a multitude of crises that the public is generally aware of - unemployment, debt, deficit, oil prices, inflation, etc.

I think that as long as we get a candidate willing to fight Obama he will face really long odds. Against another McCain though, Obama might still be able to cover himself.

Oh, and ironically the single best thing Obama could do between now and the election is sign on to a real entitlement reform package. It would take the issue off the table for him, like Clinton with welfare reform, and let him claim to really be focused on the economy...

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 19, 2011 08:32 AM (7BU4a)

124 ""Let that America-hating motherfucker take the gas pipe if he has any balls, then. But he won't. Because if he wasn't too pussy to try, he's just fuck up a suicide attempt like everything else he's tried.""



Like I said yesterday, he should be retired to kenya to live out his days wearing a loin cloth and hunting monkeys with a blowgun.


Either that or have a pair of JBL 15" speakers permanently welded to his head ,and dumped of to indonesia where he can enjoy his "the most beautiful sound in the world" prayer call for the rest of his miserable existence

Posted by: Berserker at April 19, 2011 08:33 AM (FMbng)

125 Wow, you think the elder Bush 41 was a RINO?  If so my hat is off to you, the RINO label has been taken to strange new worlds where even I wouldn't take it.

Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 19, 2011 12:30 PM (F/4zf)

You don't?  He's one of those old-school go-along-to-get-along Republicans.  Democrat-lite.  Blue-blooded, elite, wishy-washy.  Remember, if you aren't explicitly conservative, you're liberal.

Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 19, 2011 08:33 AM (McG46)

126 And there is another critical point. In 2008 most Obama voters falsely believed that the Republicans controlled the corrupt failed congress and voted for Obama in part to throw the bums out.

In 2008, Democrats controlled both houses of Congress by large majorities, a fact which was grandstanded daily by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Despite their majorities they claimed to be blocked by Republicans at every turn.

In 2012, Republicans control the House and are a slim minority in the Senate. A fact emphasized at every available opportunity by Obama and every other Democrat with statements like "Republicans are stopping us from giving you goodies. fixing the economy, and bringing about world piece".

So, your analysis is that even though Democrats won, based on clearly false claims in 2008; they cannot win on the same claims in 2012, when it will resemble the truth?

Posted by: Damiano at April 19, 2011 08:33 AM (3nrx7)

127

And pretty much that's been Obama's life. The toughest thing he's faced is dealing gracefully with being overpraised. His skill in dealing with challenge is mostly restricted to charmingly deflecting compliments and flattery.

You're wrong about that, you bitter clinging, gun toting, Bible thumping, American exceptionalism believing Neanderthal.

Posted by: Barry Soetero at April 19, 2011 08:34 AM (RykTt)

128 You are right except for Ohio. He's already lost it. It's beating him in NV and CO which will be harder. Posted by: Rocks at April 19, 2011 12:31 PM (Q1lie) Good point. And PA could flip red too.

Posted by: Crashpanic at April 19, 2011 08:34 AM (05rI/)

129 I figure all the red states stay red, but he will lose VA, NC, FL, IN, NV, and CO. That gets the Rs up to 262 EC votes. If the Rs pick up just Ohio, it is over for him.

Posted by: Crashpanic at April 19, 2011 12:28 PM (jFz45)


You are right except for Ohio. He's already lost it. It's beating him in NV and CO which will be harder.

Posted by: Rocks

 

This. I agree that Wisconsin is important for this reason. PA is also huge again.

Force the Dear leader to distance himself from the abortion Doctor of love in Phily. If he fails to do so, he gets hammered throughout the state. f he pseaks out in favor of increased clinic legislation, then the professional leftists get pissed.

Posted by: the other nut is always right at April 19, 2011 08:34 AM (6rX0K)

130

Barry's boned, or we are.

Either or.

Posted by: that guy that thinks everybody's boned. at April 19, 2011 08:34 AM (GTbGH)

131

Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 19, 2011 12:30 PM (McG46)

And he'll be able to do it as Secretary General of the U.N.

It behooves the next conservative President to kick those cocksmokes off our soil.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 08:35 AM (W30Dg)

132

"Obama is Awesome!"

Hey, did somebody say "donut"?...

Posted by: Optimizer at April 19, 2011 08:35 AM (2lTU+)

133 The best way to get under Bozo's thin skin would be to delay his tee time, for about an hour, each and every time he schedules a day at the links.

"So sorry, sir, we've had a slight misunderstanding and we'll try to squeeze you in after this fivesome of WWII vets. Should be about 45 minutes."

Posted by: Fritz at April 19, 2011 08:35 AM (GwPRU)

134

I figure all the red states stay red, but he will lose VA, NC, FL, IN, NV, and CO. That gets the Rs up to 262 EC votes. If the Rs pick up just Ohio, it is over for him.

Public Policy Polling had him in trouble even in PA.

Posted by: Marla at April 19, 2011 08:35 AM (kD8Fh)

135

Know who wouldn't fuck up?  Rand Paul, that's who. 

He needs to speak up on foreign policy so that we can get a better idea of the influence of or the lack thereof of the Crazee Genetm.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 19, 2011 08:35 AM (B+qrE)

136 momma said, " A roadside sign advertising the theme of a Palm Sunday sermon at a local church: 'President Obama or King Jesus,' has upset at least one local family, but the parish pastor said the message was misinterpreted."

Well, Psalms 146:3 does tell us, "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help."

Posted by: Strunk & White at April 19, 2011 08:35 AM (IoTdl)

137 No spine/perpetual fuck-up Republicans +  good portion of our electorate being barely above functionally retarded levels = a good chance for President Shanksalot in 2012.

That's my fear anyway.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2011 08:36 AM (pLTLS)

138

It behooves the next conservative President to kick those cocksmokes off our soil.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 12:35 PM (W30Dg)

Don't get me started.  An institution that uses American money to attack America.  That is what you call "low-hanging fruit."  And yet, here we are, busily funding our enemies.

Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 19, 2011 08:36 AM (McG46)

139 Maybe WI will flip, but PA won't. The GOP needs to get that idea out of their head and put resources where they will still do some good.

Posted by: joncelli at April 19, 2011 08:37 AM (RD7QR)

140 >>I figure all the red states stay red, but he will lose VA, NC, FL, IN, NV, and CO. That gets the Rs up to 262 EC votes. If the Rs pick up just Ohio, it is over for him.

Obama won't lose CO or NV.  But he will lose OH and NH and FL and IN and VA and NC from his 2008 campaign, which is enough to the GOP ever-so-slightly over the top.  And I think he'll also quite possibly lose WI and MI and maybe even PA as well.

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 19, 2011 08:37 AM (NjYDy)

141 I best remember Bush 41 for his 'liberal' use of the veto pen.  For that alone I am willing to go easy on throwing the RINO label at him.

Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 19, 2011 08:37 AM (F/4zf)

Posted by: momma at April 19, 2011 08:37 AM (penCf)

143 Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 19, 2011 12:33 PM (McG46)

Meh.  I wouldn't call Bush 41 a RINO.  He was fiscal-squish neo-con, if anything.  He was pretty solid on social issues, and he was a decent-to-good war-time president (in as much as he said, "Here's the mission.  I'm trusting you to handle it form here").  His problems were largely in the fiscal areas- he believed it was ever okay to raise taxes.

To call his comity a sign of being a RINO would require that you call every Republican in congress- including Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, and Michele Bachman a RINO.  Near suicidal comity is the curse of the Republicans.

Here's hoping the curse can be broken...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 08:37 AM (8y9MW)

144

Well, Psalms 146:3 does tell us, "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help."

I like using Psalm 109:8 when talking about Obama- may another take his place of leadership.

/I'm currently eating the "life energy" (WTF is that?) of a banana.  It's quite good...

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 19, 2011 08:38 AM (9hSKh)

145 Daily marching orders for the GOP should start with, "Publicly mock this asshole every chance you get". Do this every day (it won't take long) and Jugears has an epic meltdown on camera.

Posted by: Victrola at April 19, 2011 08:38 AM (X3Y9c)

146 In 2008, Democrats controlled both houses of Congress by large majorities, a fact which was grandstanded daily by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Despite their majorities they claimed to be blocked by Republicans at every turn.

In 2012, Republicans control the House and are a slim minority in the Senate. A fact emphasized at every available opportunity by Obama and every other Democrat with statements like "Republicans are stopping us from giving you goodies. fixing the economy, and bringing about world piece".

So, your analysis is that even though Democrats won, based on clearly false claims in 2008; they cannot win on the same claims in 2012, when it will resemble the truth?

Posted by: Damiano

 

One crucial difference. They pinned things on Bush first, Republicans second. Right now, Ryan and Boehner have lower name reconition than Obama. Your point underscores this. They were able to downplay Pelosi and Reid. Obama is the focus, whether they want hm to be or not.

Granted, we can expect to see analysis of Congress that we never saw in 2008, but that also invites comparisons against recent Dem led Congresses, if our Repub leaders are smart enough to do so.

 

My personal favorite will be comparing the Ryan 2012 budget with the Dems budget fro last year, especially since the latter doesn't exist.

Posted by: the other nut is always right at April 19, 2011 08:39 AM (6rX0K)

147

He needs to speak up on foreign policy so that we can get a better idea of the influence of or the lack thereof of the Crazee Genetm.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 19, 2011 12:35 PM (B+qrE)

He's somewhat of an isolationist.  But I'm thinking Secretary of State 'Stache would steer him right.  We're going to have to cut down on foreign involvement anyway.  Or get those countries (like Germany) to pay us.

Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 19, 2011 08:39 AM (McG46)

148 Obama is awesome and Bush was an idiot. I don't care if gas is $20 gallon it is still Bush's fault. I must vote for Obama he is the savior. Obama is awesome even if I don't have a job, gas is over $5 gallon, the economy is tanking, and the ME is burning. I am a stupid little liberal and must vote for Obama. Obama is awesome and Bush is an idiot........

Posted by: Brainwashee Dumbass Liberal from Vermont at April 19, 2011 08:39 AM (SZy+Y)

149 Check out Obama's approval ratings in New Hampshire, right now.  Unless we nominate Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann, there's just no way it doesn't go for the GOP in 2012.  That puts us over the top as long as we take back the easy 2008 losses (VA/NC/IN) and pull out FL and OH.

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 19, 2011 08:40 AM (NjYDy)

150 Bush was a Rockefeller Republican, the ancestor of the RINO, he thought he could work with the Democrats, he was no neocon

Posted by: Randolph Duke at April 19, 2011 08:40 AM (AYwIq)

151

To call his comity a sign of being a RINO would require that you call every Republican in congress- including Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, and Michele Bachman a RINO.

So?

Posted by: The Commentor Who Calls Everyone and Everything A RINO at April 19, 2011 12:39 PM (OWjjx)

Well, you're obviously excluded from my previous comment.  RINO.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 08:41 AM (8y9MW)

152 OT: lack of interest by MFM in the "Royal Wedding" of William and Kate

Anyone think this is at least partly due to the fact that the Obamas weren't invited?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 19, 2011 08:41 AM (9eDbm)

153 143 Maybe WI will flip, but PA won't. The GOP needs to get that idea out of their head and put resources where they will still do some good.

Agreed.  For the past 20 years, PA has acted like a temptress for GOP Presidential ambitions and for the past 20 years, PA has let Republicans down. 

I'd invest in PA, but not count on it. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 19, 2011 08:41 AM (9hSKh)

154 Wow, you think the elder Bush 41 was a RINO?  If so my hat is off to you, the RINO label has been taken to strange new worlds where even I wouldn't take it.
Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 19, 2011 12:30 PM

I was a RINO before it was cool!

Posted by: George HW Bush at April 19, 2011 08:41 AM (yPTcS)

155 Bush the elder was a total rino. He was the dickhead who called for the imprt ban on semi auto rifles. He was big into the new world order, and in an interview  his own wife said he was liberal.

Posted by: Berserker at April 19, 2011 08:41 AM (FMbng)

156

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 12:37 PM (8y9MW)

Hmmm.... good War time President?  May want to talk to the Kurds about that...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2011 08:41 AM (NtXW4)

157 123 If anyone's looking for some good Earth Day Let's Punch Some Hippies in the Face Day videos, here's a good start.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 19, 2011 12:31 PM (pLTLS)

One of the ladies in my office said "I thought those dirty hippies went away in the 70's...they were spouting off that B.S. when I was a kid."

 

Posted by: dananjcon at April 19, 2011 08:41 AM (pr+up)

158

You don't?  He's one of those old-school go-along-to-get-along Republicans.  Democrat-lite.  Blue-blooded, elite, wishy-washy.  Remember, if you aren't explicitly conservative, you're liberal.

Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 19, 2011 12:33 PM (McG46)

And the funny thing about that is if he just refused to raise taxes, aka act like an economic conservative, he wins in 1992.

Yeah, it would be close but most of the Perot vote stays with him.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2011 08:41 AM (7BU4a)

159

Bush was a Rockefeller Republican, the ancestor of the RINO, he thought he could work with the Democrats, he was no neocon

Correct answer.

We stopped, remember?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 19, 2011 08:42 AM (B+qrE)

160

Let's remember that Obama displays an extreme case of Narcissitic Personality Disorder. What I worry about is what happens when he has an extreme episode of narcissistic rage.

On a related note, doesn't the guy come off like a stand-up comic is some of these stump speeches? Especially when he thinks the cameras aren't rolling? Not exactly "presidential". I don't understand why his approval rating isn't much lower.

On another related note, I just heard Karl Rove say that 45% of the public has already decided to vote against him, whereas only 28% are definitely "for". So you just need about a quarter of the remaining 27%.

Posted by: Optimizer at April 19, 2011 08:42 AM (2lTU+)

161 Know who wouldn't fuck up?  Rand Paul, that's who.  How can you trust anyone else to cut spending?  You can't.

I liked Rand Paul after the first speech and interview I saw of him. There were a lot of people on here trashing the shit out of him at the time. generally they were the same people who trash Palin.

And yes, Bush I was a freaking RINO. Read his lips if you can get them off the Dem donkey dicks.

And Bush II wasn't much better. Rnd paul would make an outstanding primary winner. If he decided to run he would immediately move to the top of my list.

And Mitt 'good hair" Romney remains at the bottom next to his good buddy from Arkansas.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 08:42 AM (M9Ie6)

162 Posted by: Randolph Duke at April 19, 2011 12:40 PM (AYwIq)

Perhaps "American Militant" would be better, then?  I think he'd agree wholeheartedly with "Bomb, bomb, bomb.  Bomb, bomb Iran." 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 08:43 AM (8y9MW)

163
To call his comity a sign of being a RINO would require that you call every Republican in congress- including Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, and Michele Bachman a RINO.  Near suicidal comity is the curse of the Republicans.

Here's hoping the curse can be broken...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 12:37 PM (8y9MW)

I don't know.  There's a difference between comity and ass-kissing because you don't have the courage of your own convictions.

He also left Saddam alive because he didn't have permission from the UN.  That worked out well.

Oh, and:  Voodoo economics. 

Maybe I'm being a bit too hard on him, but he left a lot to be desired.

Posted by: FUBAR, Randbot at April 19, 2011 08:43 AM (McG46)

164 So, your analysis is that even though Democrats won, based on clearly false claims in 2008; they cannot win on the same claims in 2012, when it will resemble the truth?

Posted by: Damiano at April 19, 2011 12:33 PM (3nrx7)

Actually, simpler then that. Low information voters neither understand, nor care about  the makeup of Congress.

If there is a problem in the government or with the economy, the President is to blame, and they will vote accordingly. 

Bush 41 raised taxes. Well, so did the Democrats in congress. Yet they didn't pay a price and he did.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2011 08:44 AM (7BU4a)

165

Well, you're obviously excluded from my previous comment.  RINO.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 12:41 PM (8y9MW)

Let's not get hung up on who is or is not a RINO.

You bunch of Palin/Huckabee/Romney/Pawlenty/Paul the Elder/Paul the Younger/Trump suckups.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 19, 2011 08:45 AM (B+qrE)

166 Maybe WI will flip, but PA won't. The GOP needs to get that idea out of their head and put resources where they will still do some good.

Agreed.  For the past 20 years, PA has acted like a temptress for GOP Presidential ambitions and for the past 20 years, PA has let Republicans down. 

I'd invest in PA, but not count on it. 

Posted by: Kratos

 

*IF* it is true that we will hold all of the red states from 2008, then we should at least make them fight and spend resources in PA. A bigger fight means money and time spent, and more opportunities for the hater of bitter clingers to melt down in front of a camera.

Posted by: the other nut is always right at April 19, 2011 08:45 AM (6rX0K)

167 I can't fucking stand the posturing frump Trump. But I don't see how the hell he could be anywhere near as bad as Zero.

Posted by: maddogg at April 19, 2011 08:46 AM (OlN4e)

168

Texas?? Bitter, Bible thumping, gun toting, backwards, hayseeds.

FYNQ

 

    

Posted by: The Barry O. at April 19, 2011 08:46 AM (pr+up)

169 You're all a bunch of RINOs.

Posted by: John Birch at April 19, 2011 08:46 AM (McG46)

170 Unless we nominate Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann, there's just no way it doesn't go for the GOP in 2012. Bitch, you don't know me.  

Posted by: The GOP at April 19, 2011 08:46 AM (Y0wFY)

171

He needs to speak up on foreign policy so that we can get a better idea of the influence of or the lack thereof of the Crazee Genetm.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 19, 2011 12:35 PM (B+qrE)

If the choice is a RINO (Mittens, the Huckster, etc) or someone rock solid on domestic issues and isolationist, I know which way I'm going to go.

On foreign policy Bush 43 was about as gung-ho as I think we are going to get for a while, and he still blanched at dealing with Iran - even while it was murdering American servicemen.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2011 08:47 AM (7BU4a)

172 Holy Shit:


A very sobering video about the debt:


It AinÂ’t just the Deficit, Its the DEBT
By 2046 every $ of tax revenue will go to interest of debt

If Congress stop spending anything, and if they made payments of $100million/day it would take 389 years to pay off national debt.

Posted by: momma at April 19, 2011 08:47 AM (penCf)

173 Say, you guys know that PA is officially a Red state now, right? Republican gov, split US Senate, Repub Representatives, Repub in both state houses, IIRC. But whether they'd bail on Obama, who knows?

Posted by: Optimizer at April 19, 2011 08:47 AM (2lTU+)

174 I wouldn't be so quick to count Pennsylvania out of the red column next year.  And the way the Dems have so badly miscalculated in Wisconsin makes me think it leas red as well.  Ohio should be a lock for us.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 19, 2011 08:47 AM (B+qrE)

175 Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2011 12:41 PM (NtXW4)

As bad as it was, the US didn't really owe anything to the Kurds.  (This is not to say I'm okay with them getting gassed- I'm just   When we threw Saddam out of Kuwait, and then hurt him enough that he couldn't return immediately, we'd done the job we set out to do.  Ousting Saddam was a "goal" added later when it seemed convenient.

You can argue we should have finished the job then (and I'd probably agree with you) but GHW Bush wasn't the Kurds' president, he was ours.

And, as our CiC, he did a pretty good job as far as giving his Generals an objective, and letting them do the actual planning and work.  I bet there are a lot of military types that wish his son and (especially) our current CiC would do the same.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 08:48 AM (8y9MW)

176

If the choice is a RINO (Mittens, the Huckster, etc) or someone rock solid on domestic issues and isolationist, I know which way I'm going to go.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2011 12:47 PM (7BU4a)

Damn skippy.  I'm ready to try the kind of isolationism I think an isolationist could actually achieve in one or two terms.  He'd be restrained by prior history, current commitments, his advisors, his allies.

I'm ready to give it a shot.  Especially if our other choice is going effing broke.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 19, 2011 08:49 AM (McG46)

177

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 12:42 PM (M9Ie6)

Aqua Buddha is pleased. 

You may genuflect to the Water Pipe.

Posted by: Aqua Buddha at April 19, 2011 08:50 AM (Xd1GZ)

178 Say, you guys know that PA is officially a Red state now, right? Republican gov, split US Senate, Repub Representatives, Repub in both state houses, IIRC. But whether they'd bail on Obama, who knows?

He's polling rather low here in the Commonwealth at the moment.  The whole game is to get enough votes in Bucks, Montgomery, Delaware and Chester Counties to mitigate the 300K-400K advantage he'd be pulling from Philadelphia, and then let the rest of the Commonwealth do what it does.  Toomey just managed such a feat.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 19, 2011 08:50 AM (IVQSY)

179 All Obama has left is the media, the race card, the 52% of the electorate who were stupid enough to vote for him the last time (and will readily make excuses for his failures, or blame them on others, in some kind of perverse "battered wife's syndrome") and all of George Soros' money.

While we have Mitt "well, it *is* his turn" Romney, and Donald "The NeoBirther" Trump in the role of Ross Perot.

What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 19, 2011 08:51 AM (OtQXp)

180

If the choice is a RINO (Mittens, the Huckster, etc) or someone rock solid on domestic issues and isolationist, I know which way I'm going to go.

I don't accept these dichotomous choices that assume one can simply divorce domestic and foreign policy.  If the fire starts on the inside or outside of the house, it can still kill you.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 19, 2011 08:51 AM (B+qrE)

181 >>If Congress stop spending anything, and if they made payments of $100million/day it would take 389 years to pay off national debt. That's at today's interest rate which are being kept artificially low by the Fed. What happens when the rates are allowed to rise and inflation kicks in? The number would be a lot closer to 1000 years.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 19, 2011 08:51 AM (TMB3S)

182 I don't even want to try to guess what my fellow Pennsylvanians are thinking. But it would be incredibly sweet to no longer vote the Wrong Way in prez elections.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 19, 2011 08:51 AM (SB0V2)

183

If Congress stop spending anything, and if they made payments of $100million/day it would take 389 years to pay off national debt.

In a short 390 years, we will have Won the Future!

Posted by: Barackets O'Dumbo at April 19, 2011 08:52 AM (Xd1GZ)

184 I wouldn't be so quick to count Pennsylvania out of the red column next year.  And the way the Dems have so badly miscalculated in Wisconsin makes me think it leas red as well.  Ohio should be a lock for us.

Posted by: Circa

I'm not counting PA in or out. I say we make one of their biggest states a liability. Make them fight for it. Run stories ad prepare legal challenges to vote totals in Philly. Start a watch on the New (and improved!) Black Panthers, noting that Holder gave them a pass, and wonder on what damage they will do in 2012.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 19, 2011 08:52 AM (6rX0K)

185 Does anyone actually believe the Space Shuttles weren't doled out on the strictist political basis, because I don't. The "comission" was, I'm sure, picked out by Zero or his crab lice.

Posted by: maddogg at April 19, 2011 08:52 AM (OlN4e)

186 Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 19, 2011 12:50 PM (IVQSY)

How popular is Toomey at the moment, for us non-PA morons?  If he's still pretty popular in those areas, that's a potentially winning strategy.  It's certainly good enough that Obama would have to spend significant resources in PA- just to keep a State that votes Democrat almost by rote.

Obama also said he's actually going to campaign in Texas.  Now, I know the boy-king lies, but if he does, I say "more, please."  It's not like it'll change the outcome of the State, and every penny he spends here is one he can't spend in Ohio, or MI, or VA, or any of the other swing states.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 08:53 AM (8y9MW)

187 OT:  Did anybody notice in that income graph yesterday: the country's income is about $5.5 trillion.  The federal gummint budget is $3.7 trillion.

If we weren't borrowing money, the average tax rate on the eevil rich and the working poor alike would be about 66%.

That's some scary insane stuff right there.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 19, 2011 08:53 AM (McG46)

188

Which is why I fear Trump running as an independent.

What if he's just making sure that he gets a VP slot?

Posted by: Decaf at April 19, 2011 08:53 AM (3+xlM)

189

And that is why I am your man!

Posted by: Patrick J. Buchanan at April 19, 2011 12:48 PM (OWjjx)

There are three parts of the conservative agenda - social, economic, foreign policy. 

I do like the fact that Buchanan is willing to fight for what he believes in, but he only gives us only 1 of those three parts. Rand Paul is somewhere between 2 and 3.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2011 08:53 AM (7BU4a)

190

I can't seem to find any polls involving Ohio but the way the media is screaming bloody murder about Kasich and that there is virtually no news at all on Obama's approval rating here, I'm assuming Ohio is still safely a Red state.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 08:55 AM (W30Dg)

191

Which is why I fear Trump running as an independent.

What if he's just making sure that he gets a VP slot?

Posted by: Decaf at

 

I've also suspected that he's running an Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson gambit. He gets to be a player, and the perks associated with it.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 19, 2011 08:55 AM (6rX0K)

192 In 2012, the Republicans might be able to run on the slogan "Hope and Change".

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at April 19, 2011 08:56 AM (GKQDR)

193

I'm ready to give it a shot.  Especially if our other choice is going effing broke.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 19, 2011 12:49 PM (McG46)

Broke, and with a centralized, authoritarian state.

One of the nice things Rand Paul does is really bring home what environmentalism means. Liberals have poked fun at him, but I think you can reach people when you point out why their new dishwasher, washing machine, or toilet no longer works.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2011 08:57 AM (7BU4a)

194 What I don't understand is how the hell the Republicans ever lost the Senate. Solid Democrat country really only exists in a relatively small number of states. They have majorities in the House in only 16 states (CA,NY,New England,DE,MD,NJ,WA,OR, plus HI,NC,NM).

Posted by: Optimizer at April 19, 2011 08:57 AM (2lTU+)

196 Life is a clogged stem.

Posted by: Aqua Buddha at April 19, 2011 08:58 AM (Xd1GZ)

197 Oh, and:  Voodoo economics.

Bush I had good progressive economic sense, I'll grant you.

Posted by: Barry Obammy at April 19, 2011 08:58 AM (xs5wK)

198 How popular is Toomey at the moment, for us non-PA morons?  If he's still pretty popular in those areas, that's a potentially winning strategy.  It's certainly good enough that Obama would have to spend significant resources in PA- just to keep a State that votes Democrat almost by rote.

Don't know about Toomey's popularity at the moment, other than to say that there are no current indications that he is unpopular.  Of course, Toomey won in an off-year, so Philadelphia was less of a factor than it will be.  If the economy as felt by the middle class doesn't significantly improve by 2012, the "collar counties" could be won with a margin, possibly a decent margin.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 19, 2011 08:58 AM (IVQSY)

199 What I don't understand is how the hell the Republicans ever lost the Senate. Solid Democrat country really only exists in a relatively small number of states. They have majorities in the House in only 16 states (CA,NY,New England,DE,MD,NJ,WA,OR, plus HI,NC,NM).

Posted by: Optimizer at April 19, 2011 12:57 PM (2lTU+)

False consciousness.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 19, 2011 08:58 AM (McG46)

200

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 12:48 PM (8y9MW)

Hmmm.... well... interesting how views differ...

There was a HUGE political component to our stopping. Swartz did NOT want to stop, and wanted to complete the Destruction of the Republican Guard...

And those of us there? Total suprise when we were told to stop.  All the operational planning I saw, and the orders we had, were to continue... confused the heck out of us when we were told to stop.

And sorry, but Yes we did owe somthing to the Kurds... we had people there helping them rebel, we ASKED them to do so, with the expectation of American help... then (just like South Viet Nam) for internal political reasons did not keep our word.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2011 08:59 AM (NtXW4)

201 2010 won't be 2012, either.

Posted by: Speaker Boned at April 19, 2011 08:59 AM (K/USr)

202 158 OT: lack of interest by MFM in the "Royal Wedding" of William and Kate

Anyone think this is at least partly due to the fact that the Obamas weren't invited?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 19, 2011 12:41 PM (9eDbm)

I was curious about the fact that she is a "commoner" so I was reading a lot of stuff last night and I was surprised to find out that the Queen is a direct descendant of Mohammed. 

Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 09:00 AM (k1rwm)

203

I don't accept these dichotomous choices that assume one can simply divorce domestic and foreign policy.  If the fire starts on the inside or outside of the house, it can still kill you.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 19, 2011 12:51 PM (B+qrE)

That's true - but looking at the front runners I see people who will have trouble getting elected - Palin, Bachmann, and people who simply will not deal with any fires - Romney, Daniels, Huckabee, etc.

Rand Paul sounds electable to me, and I think he'd be solid on dealing with the internal fires. And it we can persuade him that you can put out an external fire with the traditional quick and dirty methods (which are also cheap in American lives and treasure) he might be good enough on foreign policy...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2011 09:00 AM (7BU4a)

204 Guys: You will want to click at home with your bunk at the ready
 
Warning they do show all but the nip so it might not be safe for work.  Link goes to Daily Mail (UK)
I wanted to be free': Muslim model upsets family by posing nude for Playboy cover

Posted by: momma at April 19, 2011 09:00 AM (penCf)

205 What I don't understand is how the hell the Republicans ever lost the Senate. Solid Democrat country really only exists in a relatively small number of states. They have majorities in the House in only 16 states (CA,NY,New England,DE,MD,NJ,WA,OR, plus HI,NC,NM).

Howard Dean hatched a plan to run cross-dressers, the Democrats with Confederate Flags - Tester, Webb, et al.  Add a healthy media assist, a fraudulent Franken "recount" win, and there you have it.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 19, 2011 09:00 AM (IVQSY)

206 Sure republicans might have a chance in a free and fair election.  But, ask justice prosser about that.  Imagine being prosserized in every single state.

Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 09:01 AM (k1rwm)

207 Jugears McFuckstick will have Bubba stand in for him during the Presidential debates.

Posted by: Barbarian at April 19, 2011 09:03 AM (EL+OC)

208 ok, the country is going nuts.  They found the guy that someone saw going into nordstroms with a rifle.  He was carrying an umbella and said he wanted to stay dry in the rain.


Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 09:04 AM (k1rwm)

209 49--EOJ nails it. Just because O's unfitness is beyond dispute to you doesn't mean the 52%ers are on the same page.  O's unfitness was crystal clear back in 2012, too. 2008 could easily be a repeat.

Posted by: glowing blue meat at April 19, 2011 09:04 AM (K/USr)

210

I can't seem to find any polls involving Ohio but the way the media is screaming bloody murder about Kasich and that there is virtually no news at all on Obama's approval rating here, I'm assuming Ohio is still safely a Red state.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 12:55 PM (W30Dg)

I'm pretty sure that the MFM not running any polls means they don't like the results.  The ever dwindling Plain Dealer really hates Kasich but I doubt that they've achieved much traction on that.  In fact after the Wisconsin results (where they sent Twitch Strickland to help out; LOL @ another Twitch failure) they've gotta be downright morose.

I saw on the news last night that Lorain is pissed off that they never got any federal relief for the flooding they had.  Since that's Sherrod Brown territory that just means that he can't do a fucking thing for his core constituents and has to have him shitting bricks for next year if the state party can find somebody decent to oppose him (not a sure thing and they ought to clean house if they don't).

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 19, 2011 09:05 AM (vEVry)

211 tell me honestly, is it possible to think an umbrella is a rifle?

Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 09:06 AM (k1rwm)

212 And it we can persuade him that you can put out an external fire with the traditional quick and dirty methods (which are also cheap in American lives and treasure) he might be good enough on foreign policy...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2011 01:00 PM (7BU4a)

Amen brother.  No member of our really smart ruling class has realized that fighting wars to win is cheap, while fighting wars to stalemate is hugely expensive.  Seems like Rand would be open to the cheap and victorious strategy.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 19, 2011 09:06 AM (McG46)

213  Ace of Spades: Forward into the Past!*

*(Name that obscure reference!)

Posted by: joncelli

Well, that's from the Firesign Theater classic "Don't Crush That Dwarf, Hand Me the Pliers!"

Whadda I win?  Huh?

I would not be so sure that Ohio will go Republican in 2012.  It will be a near run thing.  The SB5 bill is up for referendum in November 2011, and that will be a good indicator of how the state is trending.  The Public Unions, commercial unions and the media will go all in to defeat it, but there is quite a bit of resentment about the whole pay/benefits and collective bargaining agreements.  So if SB5 is sustained, then it would look more positive for Ohio to go  "R" in 2012.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes... at April 19, 2011 09:07 AM (oiG2m)

214

momma,

Here is a clearer nip shot.

Posted by: maddogg at April 19, 2011 09:07 AM (OlN4e)

215

Bush 41 raised taxes. Well, so did the Democrats in congress. Yet they didn't pay a price and he did.

Posted by: 18-1

 

The Democrats paid a price for it in 1994.  Clinton raised taxes AGAIN in 1993, and plenty of people were pletny sore about the whole thing, and saw the Democrats for what they were.  Briefly, before going into a stupor again.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes... at April 19, 2011 09:13 AM (oiG2m)

216

But, ask justice prosser about that.  Imagine being prosserized in every single state.

Curious, he won and the 'tards went all-in against him.  They have seriously miscalculated based on a perfect storm in 2008.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 19, 2011 09:20 AM (B+qrE)

217

Unless we nominate Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann, there's just no way it doesn't go for the GOP in 2012.  Posted by: Jeff B. at April 19, 2011 12:40 PM (NjYDy).

What do you mean, "we"? And where the hell were you in 06, 08 and 10? (and 92 and 96).  How many TPers and Cons are ready to join you on the RINO train in '12? think they're real charged up about voting for another GOP stiff next time? Who's going to beat Bachmann or Palin for you and your MiL? Mitt Romney? Huckster ?? hahahaha, good luck with that.....

Posted by: glowing blue meat at April 19, 2011 09:24 AM (K/USr)

218 We can't lose.

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at April 19, 2011 09:28 AM (FYCiJ)

219

I screamed at the TV last night in BamsterÂ’s interview with Brad Watson when he said this:

“Gov. Perry helped balance his budget with about $6 billion worth of federal help — which he happily took — and then started blaming the members of Congress who had offered that help,” Obama said.

Gee, Obama, how much money does the federal government collect in taxes from TexasÂ’ citizens? How much of that money do they get back? And why should StatesÂ’ citizens have to go hat in hand to beg for THEIR MONEY back from you Federal leeches in the first place?

I gotta say, I LOVED watching Brad Watson making Barry squirmÂ….

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 19, 2011 09:29 AM (mRJq4)

220 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 19, 2011 01:29 PM (mRJq4)

I wish I'd watched it now... They're going to show the whole thing on Sunday sometime between 9 & 9:30.  I may DVR that part...

The part that Obama seems to be forgetting is that Gov. Perry resisted efforts to take the money.  IIRC, the legislature over-road his veto (or threatened to, so he backed down, one of the two).

He and Lt. Gov. Dewhurst were both talking (rather prophetically, it turns out) about the major downsides of using the stimulus money as a band-aid for our budgetary shortfall in '10 & '11.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 09:37 AM (8y9MW)

221

And even the monolithic liberal national media can't completely pretend the last four years haven't happened.

 

MFM: Wanna bet?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 19, 2011 09:57 AM (1Jaio)

222

I think OH, right now, is more reliably red than CO.

CO worries me. But I think we can turn NH red in 2012.

Colorado is not an ideologically blue state.  We lost the governorship and senate races because of fundamentally flawed candidates, and because Michael Bennett's senate race received millions of dollars of outside money because the democrats drew their last line of defense around him.  Colorado tends to vote for the person rather than the ideology.  That's why you see strange flips in congressional districts.  Overall, Colorado is moving toward conservatism again.  But if the Colorado Repubs manage to be as inept in the next election as in the last (I know. I know.), it's possible that Obama wins here.  But my finger-in-the-wind analysis says that Colorado is in the R- column for the presidential race. Obama is just not well liked here.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at April 19, 2011 09:58 AM (3n84Z)

223 >>Who's going to beat Bachmann or Palin for you and your MiL? Mitt Romney? Huckster ?? hahahaha, good luck with that.....

Jesus Christ you are such a moron.   Nobody here - NOBODY - like Huckabee or Romney.  Both are unelectable.  Pawlenty, Daniels, both would win easily.  Palin and Bachmann would lose what's looking to be one of the more winnable races in recent memory.  And we would all be doomed in that eventuality.  That is all.

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 19, 2011 10:10 AM (yemTi)

224 We lost CO because CA liberals are flocking there in droves and it is a low population State so it was easy to turn.  Same for NV.

NH is a different story. It is solid blue and unlikely to turn.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 10:10 AM (M9Ie6)

225 OT, but Adam Corolla is killing it on Jim Rome today.

Posted by: logprof at April 19, 2011 10:11 AM (BP6Z1)

226 Repeat:

What gets me is the first debate is May 5 and only declared candidates may participate

So there had better be some people getting off the dime SOON!

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 10:12 AM (M9Ie6)

227

Thanks for this post, Ace. Let us all hope the only throne the Sun King will be sitting on after election day 2012 is his pottychair.

Loved, loved, loved the Texas interview. Loved seeing The Won's pupils enlarge into their reptile eyes and the look of frustration, hate, and impending hissy-fit tantrum with his staff afterwards. Loved it.

He cannot handle, for one minute, the thought that anyone will question him. He waves the race card as his shield. It has protected him until now. May our God protect and keep us from another four years of this radical bimbo. And may God bless the USA in the coming years.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at April 19, 2011 10:13 AM (FnRYN)

228 >>NH is a different story. It is solid blue and unlikely to turn.

You thinking of a different state?  NH voted Bush in 2000, Kerry in 2004 by a percent, has a 100% GOP Congressional delegation and a 1 of 2 GOP Senators (who won by nearly TWENTY POINTS in 2010), an overwhelming GOP state legislature, and Obama's currently sporting approval ratings in the mid-to-high 30s (not an exaggeration).  You must be thinking of another state.

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 19, 2011 10:17 AM (yemTi)

229 NH has voted Dem in very election but one since 1988.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 10:22 AM (M9Ie6)

230 Come on guys, we're buying shrimp!

Posted by: Pesident Smuggy McEarflaps at April 19, 2011 10:24 AM (BP6Z1)

231 >>NH has voted Dem in very election but one since 1988.

The data set is highly suspect because Perot's peculiar appeal to the flinty libertarian side of the NH electorate fucked it up in 1992 in a major way (look at his margins in the state).  In 1996 Dole was a loser campaigner.  The fact is, I don't really care about prior track records here -- remember what Ace said about the value of precedent? -- Obama cannot win the state if his approval rating is anywhere close to where it is (he is a 34% approval and 57% disapproval holy shit) unless the GOP nominates someone truly repulsive to the Granite State and gets a Sharron Angle Effect (where Reid was upside down in approval but still won because NV voters considered Angle simply unfit).

Seriously: Obama's FUCKED in New Hampshire right now. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 19, 2011 10:29 AM (yemTi)

232 Link to Obama's NH polling, from ARG:

http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 19, 2011 10:29 AM (yemTi)

233 He cannot handle, for one minute, the thought that anyone will question him.

This is typical of NPD.  Ones in positions of influence/power usually avoid it by surrounding themselves with sycophants, groupies, and designated fall guys who get tossed under the bus when something fails. 

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 19, 2011 11:08 AM (LLyvE)

234 Ace: "His skill in dealing with challenge is mostly restricted to charmingly deflecting compliments and flattery."

And voting "Present" or going golfing.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 19, 2011 11:24 AM (Ilc9V)

235

"The toughest thing he's faced is dealing gracefully with being overpraised."

 

Truer words were never written.

Who else in the world has ever received anything like the things this guy has -- the presidency of the United States, a Nobel Peace Prize, etc. -- not because he ever actually did anything to earn those honors, but simply because he is (half) black and sometimes speaks well (when reading off a teleprompter)? 

If the consequences for our nation weren't so disastrous, it would almost be funny.

Posted by: AZC at April 19, 2011 12:37 PM (HFscI)

Posted by: venoous at April 19, 2011 04:17 PM (rPs1n)

237

A big factor in CO is that the dem machine has moved in and is actively working  the smear machine behind the scenes. They basically threw the governor's race by digging up dirt on Scott MacInnis.

They have moved their smear machine over to western colorado- every R in our city council has undergone a similar attack and 2 have resigned due to "irregularities". While an anarchist, convicted armed robber ran for city council with nary so much as a mention about his background from the local paper which they now own.  Douglas Bruce, of tax reduction fame, is currenetly under going this kind of attack- they want to make sure he doesn't dare put any tax reduction initiaves on the ballot this time.

They own the legislature- have proposed making a new district out of the western slope and BOULDER, effectively negating a strong conservative district, have given in-state tutition to illegals, and a host of other equally wonderful ideas. CO R's are just dead in the water. CO will go dem, is my prediction.

Posted by: fedupwithit at April 19, 2011 04:41 PM (FF5on)

238 Obamao's college transcript records "he doesn't play well with others, and "runs with scissors."

Posted by: Molon Lobe at April 20, 2011 07:41 PM (PTpqi)

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