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September 28, 2011

Glenn Beck: I've Had It With Christie's Excuses
— Ace

He's not complaining about Christie's "tease" (which really has only happened the past week, if at all), but rather the weakness of his reasons for not running.

I quite honestly cannot figure out why heÂ’s not in. I donÂ’t know if he has something to hide; I donÂ’t believe this bullcrap that heÂ’s not qualified. I think it is a political calculation here that maybe he thinks Obama us unbeatable, maybe he has something in his closet Â– I donÂ’t know.
Â… Tell me a good reason why you are not going in because I donÂ’t buy this Â‘Oh IÂ’m not readyÂ’ or itÂ’s Â‘I gotta serve the peopleÂ’ Â– bullcrap! Why arenÂ’t you going in?!

I do not believe there is anyone who gets into politics who does not dream of one day being president. It's like being CEO of a company. If you got into an executive position at that company at all, you're probably going to think about being CEO. Unless/until it becomes clear that won't happen, for whatever reason.

But an executive that keeps getting promoted and has a good rapport with his bosses -- why would that guy not keep thinking of one day occupying the Big Chair?

I disagree with Beck that Christie's excuses aren't "good." One "excuse" is just, apparently, that he doesn't feel the call. The call of history, the call of fate. And that he's not ready in his heart (which he's said previously).

That's actually a pretty good reason.

That said, I would not be terribly surprised to find out there is something in Christie's closet that he doesn't want to come out. This is nearly always, as they say, "marital troubles."

That is often the real-but-unstated reason that pols decline when presented with the chance of doing what they have long dreamed of. It did come out, for example, that Mitch Daniels did not want the scrutiny of his marriage/remarriage to his wife.

Someone like Christie, who would be running entirely as Truth Teller, would be obligated to admit whatever past scandal is in his background. Not coming forward with it would result in him not only getting dinged on the thing itself, but losing that precious reputation as "straight-shooting Truth Teller."

So, if it's something like that, Christie has a lot to think about.

A Difference In Perception: Because Christie has made such an impact in the public's consciousness, it doesn't feel to many (by "many" I mean me) that he's only been a governor for a couple of years.

It feels like he's been around longer than that.

I know he hasn't. But it feels like he's a veteran.

When you're building a relationship with someone (friendship, business partnership, etc.), it's not just "duration of relationship" that counts. It's also frequency of contact, obviously. If you work with someone three times a week, you'll wind up feeling you know him better after six months than, say, a friend you only see once every couple of months but have known for ten years.

Because of the YouTube phenomenon, we've seen Christie an awful lot. So much so he feels like an old hand, a veteran.

But in fact he's really a neophyte. He just started.

And for he himself -- things may feel a lot different. While I sort of feel (despite knowing it's not true) that he's been around so long as to be a fixture, for Christie, he might feel every inch of that political novice he actually is.

Posted by: Ace at 07:27 AM | Comments (144)
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1 Or, now follow me here, he means what he says, and doesn't think he's ready. I agree.

Posted by: pep at September 28, 2011 07:29 AM (YXmuI)

2 I was listening to Beck this morning, and he said (and I agree) the country won't survive hour more years of SCOAMF.

At some point, if your nation needs you and people are begging you to run, don't you have an obligation?

I'm not on Team Christie, just tossing that out there.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 28, 2011 07:29 AM (UOM48)

3 crap. hour = four

*heads back to coffee maker*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 28, 2011 07:30 AM (UOM48)

4 It's disappointing because the way he lays out the problems (last night and back in February at AEI) then his own experience/approach, you see the case he could make for himself and it's strong.

If there's a skeleton, it's got to be pretty well hidden because the Democrats in Jersey aren't a shy bunch and if they had it, they'd have used it on him by now.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 28, 2011 07:30 AM (plesI)

5 Jesus Christ, he doesn't need to give you a good reason Glen. Shut the hell up.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 28, 2011 07:31 AM (FkKjr)

6 Yeah I'm done listening to sideline sitters bitch about our current crop of candidates if they're just going to snark at the team out on the field.

This doesn't help.

Posted by: lu at September 28, 2011 07:31 AM (pLTLS)

7 is christi running? FAT CHANCE....repeat from earlier thread

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 28, 2011 07:31 AM (eOXTH)

8 I would not be terribly surprised to find out there is something in Christie's closet that he doesn't want to come out.

Christie wasn't always heavy like he is now. It was only when he discovered how delicious hobos were, did he grow in size. Fact: New Jersey does not have ANY hobos.

Posted by: EC at September 28, 2011 07:32 AM (GQ8sn)

9 I propose a new rule. Nobody is considered for president unless they have at least the equivalent of a four year college degree in running something big, preferably a state-level executive position or something comparable (Paul Ryan, I'm looking at you). Yes, that takes out Marco Rubio.

Posted by: pep at September 28, 2011 07:32 AM (YXmuI)

10 Christie has given a lot of reasons why he isn't running. Family obligations, obligation to the state that elected him governor, not having the "fire in the belly" to run. Beck and a lot of other people just haven't accepted his reasons. They need to get past it and find a candidate they can support.

Posted by: huerfano at September 28, 2011 07:32 AM (263hv)

11 That said, I would not be terribly surprised to find out there is something in Christie's closet that he doesn't want to come out.

Seven hundred thousand Old Country Buffet mayonnaise packets.

Posted by: oblig. is obligated at September 28, 2011 07:32 AM (xvZW9)

12 obama is the anti Christi!!!!!! another repeat......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 28, 2011 07:32 AM (eOXTH)

13 is beck complaining about sarah too?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 28, 2011 07:33 AM (eOXTH)

14 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

I think that Christie isn't running because he's a Moron Lurker (or has one on staff) and realizes he can't answer the charges leveled against him regarding his stances on being a semi-Dhimmi, AGW believer, and a gun-grabber.

Personally, I wish more of our candidates would have a paid Moron on staff to help them prepare for the criticism they'll get- we're absolutely brutal.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 28, 2011 07:33 AM (8y9MW)

15 Christie probably doesn't want the world to know he likes really fancy, smooth, satin sheets, or something like that.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 28, 2011 07:33 AM (dZ756)

The only thing you are going to find in Christie's closet is a small microwave and a case of Jimmy Dean Breakfast Sandwiches.

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2011 07:33 AM (npBW1)

17 He has been governor for less than two years. What are the excuses of people ignoring that basic fact?

Posted by: Chris at September 28, 2011 07:34 AM (QdRBJ)

18 Glen who?

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at September 28, 2011 07:34 AM (mAm+G)

19 8 I would not be terribly surprised to find out there is something in Christie's closet that he doesn't want to come out.

Christie wasn't always heavy like he is now. It was only when he discovered how delicious hobos were, did he grow in size. Fact: New Jersey does not have ANY hobos.

Posted by: EC at September 28, 2011 11:32 AM (GQ8sn)

If only he'd develop a taste for the cast of "Jersey Shore."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 28, 2011 07:34 AM (UOM48)

20 Well, there was this hot fudge sundae. It was only for a little while, and it wasn't serious, but...well...

Posted by: Da Big Guy at September 28, 2011 07:35 AM (RD7QR)

The only thing you are going to find in Christie's closet is a small microwave and a case of Jimmy Dean Breakfast Sandwiches.

A small microwave?

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 28, 2011 07:35 AM (136wp)

22 Can't we let someone finish a term in office before anointing them as savior?

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 28, 2011 07:35 AM (16lYZ)

23 Obama sucks cock.

Posted by: Mr Pink at September 28, 2011 07:36 AM (ea2Bt)

24 >>>I was listening to Beck this morning, and he said (and I agree) the country won't survive hour more years of SCOAMF. Yeah that's at the link, in the video. >>>At some point, if your nation needs you and people are begging you to run, don't you have an obligation? Yes, except if you really, really don't want to. Only a few heroes are selfless enough to really put the greater good over their own desires.

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2011 07:36 AM (nj1bB)

25 Personally, I wish more of our candidates would have a paid Moron on staff to help them prepare for the criticism they'll get- we're absolutely brutal.
Posted by: AllenG
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Oh yeah.. I'm sure that's it.. because morons are such a good fit demographically, philosophically and ideologically with the country at large.. yup.. that must be it!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 28, 2011 07:36 AM (f9c2L)

26 If only he'd develop a taste for the cast of "Jersey Shore."

For Christie, it's like eating Chinese food. He'd be hungry again a half hour later.

Posted by: EC at September 28, 2011 07:36 AM (GQ8sn)

27 If only he'd develop a taste for the cast of "Jersey Shore."

Why eat long pig, when you can have real pig?

Posted by: Chris Christie at September 28, 2011 07:36 AM (136wp)

Posted by: pep at September 28, 2011 11:32 AM (YXmuI)

I appreciate your executive experience requirement, but legislators don't run anything, so your rule pretty much eliminates them forever doesn't it?

Posted by: CJ at September 28, 2011 07:37 AM (9KqcB)

29 Chris doesn't want the world to find out about our affair. Big things come in big packages!

Posted by: Ann Coulter at September 28, 2011 07:37 AM (udRDY)

30 Didn't Palin get tons of crap for quitting the governship? Is it a different situation? Yes. Will the left care? No. Will they vilify him the same way? yes.

Posted by: Solo at September 28, 2011 07:38 AM (beavV)

31 My take.. who the hell would want to be president of this shitty mess?

What is the likelihood any president could turn around this crap sandwich we call an economy in one term?

That CEO analogy only applies if you are talking about an upper management executive with a nice comfortable office who is really chomping at the bit to become CEO just as the company is filing for bankruptcy.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 28, 2011 07:39 AM (f9c2L)

32 Christie is still comparatively young at 49. Running for President is also the beginning of the end of a political career. And unlike CEO (where you hold it as long as your good at it) you're done after 8 years at most (if your lucky). So I could totally see why he doesn't want to run yet. Look at Slick Willie C. If his wife weren't still in politics, he'd be shunted to a world of celebrity appearences and the occasionally speech. Yes, it's good money (and in his case he probably enjoys..erg...retirement....) but some people aren't content to be merely well taken care of, some people want to continue to work. Christie may just be one of those guys.

Posted by: tsrblke at September 28, 2011 07:39 AM (SYrwI)

33 Sure, every businessman wants to be a CEO someday, but anyone with an ounce of introspection knows they need plenty of seasoning first.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 28, 2011 07:39 AM (ItDg4)

34 If he does not feel a call to run and feels that others would be better executives, then why should he run?

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2011 07:40 AM (o2lIv)

35 34 miss80sbaby exactly......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 28, 2011 07:41 AM (eOXTH)

36 At some point, if your nation needs you and people are begging you to run, don't you have an obligation?

Two words: Fred Thompson.

Didn't really want to run, but threw in his hat because people begged him. What happened? Everybody turned on him for not having 'fire in the belly' and being a late-starter.

If I were Christie, I wouldn't want that either.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 28, 2011 07:41 AM (FkKjr)

37 Mr. Pink would have us think that SCOAMF sucks cock. While that may be true, it shouldn't distract us from knowing that Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Focus people.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 28, 2011 07:41 AM (jx2j9)

38 Trust me, he shouldn't run.

Just saying, we're not big on the big guy.

He is NOT a conservative.

Posted by: The NRA at September 28, 2011 07:41 AM (vSiVD)

Sooo... still talking about Christie who is not running, and never said he would run...

Vice the issues????

I love it when a plan comes together....

Posted by: Whitehouse SpinMeister at September 28, 2011 07:42 AM (NtXW4)

40 Very perceptive on the perception angle Ace. He does after all only have the Gov time experience of Palin. If she isn't experienced enough, he sure isn't. Not that I believe their experience isn't enough.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 28, 2011 07:42 AM (jiVmv)

It's the fat jokes.

He may not say it (because it would make him sound like a whiny little girl), but he KNOWS that the press will be brutal, and he probably doesn't want his kids to get hurt by the things that are going to be said and drawn about him on the national stage.

It's not something a person of size can hide - every time you go out, people KNOW that you are fat.

And there are those who will judge him as being unable to "control" himself because of his size, even though those charges are unfair.

It's the only "acceptable" prejudice left.....

(and the good-natured jokes don't bother fat people TOO much - but you KNOW there aren't going to be any good natured jokes coming from the other side.....)

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 28, 2011 07:42 AM (0xqzf)

42 I'm trying to figure out where this whole Christie needs to stop with the teasing about running stuff is coming from. Christie himself has been very clear that he's not running. So I don't get these attacks on him for not being clear about running. I know that there are those around him who appear to be dithering but Christie himself isn't.

Posted by: alexthechick at September 28, 2011 07:44 AM (VtjlW)

43 Running?

Why bother, we're not going to have elections.

Posted by: Bev Perdue at September 28, 2011 07:44 AM (vSiVD)

44 Because Christie has made such an impact in the public's consciousness, it doesn't feel to many (by "many" I mean me) that he's only been a governor for a couple of years.

It feels like he's been around longer than that.

I know he hasn't. But it feels like he's a veteran.

---

Well, that but for me more importantly he was an extremely successful, tough district atty for the second largest district in the US, iirc. He had a great track-record in prosecuting/winning tough cases, including iirc anti-corruption cases, and managed a team of a couple of hundred attys.

Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 07:44 AM (5H6zj)

45 Oh yeah.. I'm sure that's it.. because morons are such a good fit demographically, philosophically and ideologically with the country at large.. yup.. that must be it!

Actually... we are. Well, for the primaries, anyway. We're just less filtered.

Think about it, the place is run by a recovering liberal, we have Co-bloggers we openly refer to as RINOs (hi, Drew!), and some of the most rabidly conservative commenters I've seen. We run the demographic gamut from young to old, east to west, yankee to noble Southerner. We have stay-at-home moms, engineers, artists (aspiring and otherwise), bankers, soldiers (to include all military), and so forth.

We're actually a pretty good representation of the base. And whatever happens in the General, it's the base you have to secure first.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 28, 2011 07:44 AM (8y9MW)

He's not running. It's getting to be too late. Florida just moved up their primaries.

I'm sure he enjoys basking in the attention, but he's not going to run despite what Kristol and other big money donors want.

The field is set, like it or not.

Posted by: Ben at September 28, 2011 07:45 AM (wuv1c)

47 every businessman wants to be a CEO someday, but anyone with an ounce of introspection knows they need plenty of seasoning first.

Well, not everyone knows that.

Posted by: pep at September 28, 2011 07:45 AM (YXmuI)

48 I think Christie would be a very competent POTUS. I think he'd do some really good things vis a vis the economy. But I think the base needs someone more conservative across the board, which is why I'd still vote for Perry even if Christie entered the primary.

Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 07:45 AM (5H6zj)

49 Was Glen Beck crying when he said this? Because it's not really important if he isn't crying.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 28, 2011 07:45 AM (AZGON)

50 I thought his reason was Â“Jersey is fucked, and IÂ’m still making a difference in Jersey.Â” That seems to be a pretty good reason to me. And itÂ’s not even a case of putting New Jersey above the country. Every example of a failed leftist state that turns around by exerting fiscal sanity is a good example for the rest of the country.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 28, 2011 07:45 AM (QF8uk)

51 Christie already knows whether to run or not, he may not have acknowledged it to himself, but he knows. If he believes he is still unsure, then he surely does not want to run. If he has decided to run then all this drama is for, umm, dramatic, political effect to drive up support.

P.S. Glen Beck is a douche, Christie doesn't owe him, or anyone else an answer, and Christie, like everyone else, is not obligated to run.

Posted by: steve walsh at September 28, 2011 07:45 AM (9TS9J)

52 Why bother, we're not going to have elections.
Posted by: Bev Perdue
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Ya know.. I've been thinking about that.. Do you think they are just trying to soften us up for that actually happening? Perhaps some kind of super-crisis? Or, is it just my wild imagination again?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 28, 2011 07:46 AM (f9c2L)

53 As I've said before, people who think there is a possibility Christie will run are engage in some heavy duty self-delusion.

Posted by: KG at September 28, 2011 07:46 AM (LD21B)

54 Perhaps he's ashamed of his Aboriginal Heritage?

Posted by: Ms. Eatscock at September 28, 2011 07:47 AM (npBW1)

55 I appreciate your executive experience requirement, but legislators don't run anything, so your rule pretty much eliminates them forever doesn't it?

That's why I left a little wiggle room for the likes of Ryan, who has been so much better a leader than most of our so-called executives. He is definitely an exception, though, and I would still prefer that he had a stint as a governor. The problem is that every other politician thinks of himself that way, too.

Posted by: pep at September 28, 2011 07:47 AM (YXmuI)

It's the fat jokes.

Somehow, I think Christie is a bigger (see what I did there?) man than to feel bullied by some fat jokes made by assclown lefty pundits. Christie isn't afraid of being called a fatty; Corzine tried to do the same when he was running for re-election and Christie dared him to do it to his face and he chickened out.

Posted by: EC at September 28, 2011 07:47 AM (GQ8sn)

57 52, I can't imagine that. It would make the civil war look like a bar room brawl.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 28, 2011 07:47 AM (ZDUD4)

58 >>>Well, that but for me more importantly he was an extremely successful, tough district atty for the second largest district in the US, iirc. He had a great track-record in prosecuting/winning tough cases, including iirc anti-corruption cases, and managed a team of a couple of hundred attys. Well, that's true, but that's not the same as top-dog executive. Relevant experience but still, as an actual politician, he was what, a Freeholder in Woodbridge, then Governor for a couple of years?

Posted by: ace at September 28, 2011 07:47 AM (nj1bB)

59 It's why Mario Cuomo never ran. As a lifelong New Yorker (including my 8 years in LA), I guaran-damn-tee you all that that is why he never ran although the Dems had a hard-on for him to do so for a couple of election cycles. Christie? Who knows? On the one hand, he is a useless RINO who pimp-slapped a couple of hack teachers on YouTube. Then again, if he enters, he splits the Romney vote. Fuck it. Herman Cain, '12 (for now).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 28, 2011 07:47 AM (UlUS4)

60 This is bullshit. Fact is, Christie is not a conservative except for financial. His social views make him acceptable to exactly one person around here; me. And probably Ace, too. I thought Guiliani was a lock the last time, but I didn't understand the depth of neo-Puritan feeling in the GOP. Now I understand the daughter haters completely. They are loud and out front, and looks like they need their ass kissed all during the primaries. Then, of course they are ignored until the next primary season, but that's the way of the GOP .

Posted by: dr kill at September 28, 2011 07:47 AM (le5qc)

61 As I've said before, people who think there is a possibility Christie will run are engage in some heavy duty self-delusion. What the hell do you mean by that?

Posted by: Conservatives4Palin at September 28, 2011 07:48 AM (AZGON)

62 It's the fat jokes.

Maybe, or it might just be the fat. The rigors of a national campaign would have to be pretty harsh for somebody that severely overweight.

Posted by: Heorot at September 28, 2011 07:48 AM (Nq/UF)

63 I'm trying to figure out where this whole Christie needs to stop with the teasing about running stuff is coming from

Yeah, I don't get it either. If I had to guess I think the idle speculation of the punditry is irritating people and they are incorrectly assuming it's Christie's doing.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 28, 2011 07:48 AM (FkKjr)

He's not running. It's getting to be too late. Florida just moved up their primaries.

Posted by: Ben
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Yikes! January 31st! With the holidays coming, that's like tomorrow!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 28, 2011 07:48 AM (f9c2L)

65 Fuck it. Herman Cain, '12 (for now). Yep, I'm with you.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 28, 2011 07:48 AM (ZDUD4)

66 Top 4 reasons Christie is an AWFUL option for anyone to be considering:

4. Sucker for the "global warming" scam
3. Soft on immigration
2. Gun control
1. Close association with Islamists -- not just politically necessary alliances, but stubborn, full-throttle, vociferous, pugnacious defense of people who believe sharia should replace the Constitution and who have worked with groups that fund terrorism. CASE CLOSED.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 28, 2011 07:48 AM (2AfqM)

67 We run the demographic gamut from young to old,

Oh, God. Not another knock-down, drag-out nuclear war on Social Security between the young and old here. Please...

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 28, 2011 07:49 AM (nRTou)

If a guy knows his limitations, then we should respect that.

Posted by: Harry at September 28, 2011 07:50 AM (FRMfm)

69 I'm sure he's not excited about the MSM asking him who the Prime Minister of East kazakstan is? And reporting that his wife is a fat, racist bitch with flabby arms unlike Venus Michelle... and that his little girls loves fudge sundaes more than Gaia unlike Sasha. Damn the MSM to hell.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at September 28, 2011 07:50 AM (JNqU9)

Chris Christie/Little Debbie 2012!

Posted by: runningrn at September 28, 2011 07:50 AM (0fUOB)

71 @60: Yeah, that's it, it's the horrible ugly GOP base that killed Rudy, not his Tardisil-inspired campaign strategy.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 28, 2011 07:51 AM (tqwMN)

72 No one's ready!

Posted by: the spanish inquisition at September 28, 2011 07:51 AM (x3YFz)

73 Now I understand the daughter haters completely.

Posted by: dr kill at September 28, 2011 11:47 AM (le5qc)

I hate it when people come up with their own slang terms.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 28, 2011 07:52 AM (FkKjr)

74 If you were talking about the big chair at Boeing, HP, or GE, well the big chair comes with an ugly stain I wouldn't want on my resume, but I think the oval office rises above the failings of past occupants.

Posted by: Bob Saget at September 28, 2011 07:52 AM (SDkq3)

75 I refer to Christie and Guiliani as Scranton Republicans. That's what works in the Mid A. There's a reason Santorum lasted one term and Specter lasted 30 years.

Posted by: dr kill at September 28, 2011 07:52 AM (le5qc)

76 68

If a guy knows his limitations, then we should respect that.

Posted by: Harry at September 28, 2011 11:50 AM (FRMfm)

Chrispy Creme's limitations begin and end at the treadmill.

Posted by: tangonine at September 28, 2011 07:53 AM (x3YFz)

77 Over at insty: Gloria Estafan dumps OdipO for Cain. All good and well, as the rubes self identify, but it seems just a little politically correct to me. Can't read her thoughts of course, but would she announce that if it was Romney or Perry that had swayed her? I doubt it. I get the feeling of "its ok to dump O for another black guy" vibe.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 28, 2011 07:53 AM (jiVmv)

78 What's good for the Mama Griz is good for the NorEast RiNo?

Posted by: garrett at September 28, 2011 07:54 AM (npBW1)

79 it's not just that he's fat. the dude has a radius, not a height. have you seen him?

Posted by: tangonine at September 28, 2011 07:54 AM (x3YFz)

LetÂ’s hope this doesnÂ’t set off any harmonic tremors under that masterfully tailored suit.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 28, 2011 07:55 AM (jx2j9)

Gloria Estafan dumps OdipO for Cain.

I finally got to her.

Posted by: The Rythm at September 28, 2011 07:55 AM (npBW1)

82 Sure he's plain-spoken. But the best advantage we can gain from Christie is that tendency. Maybe others will catch on to its popularity? Otherwise he's just a AGW-believin' ...whatever.

Posted by: Running Hobo at September 28, 2011 07:55 AM (l1oyw)

83 I'm kinda with Levin on this one. Who the fuck died and left Christie as the savior? That guy says a truck load of stuff that I don't agree with. I don't think he's the best for our country right now. He's tough on unions, but what else does he bring?

We.can.do.better.

Posted by: Â© Sponge at September 28, 2011 07:55 AM (UK9cE)

84 @52: Why bother, we're not going to have elections.
Posted by: Bev Perdue
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Ya know.. I've been thinking about that.. Do you think they are just trying to soften us up for that actually happening? Perhaps some kind of super-crisis? Or, is it just my wild imagination again?

Personally, I will count it as a miracle if we aren't under martial law by then, with elections suspended. Should we actually have elections, I will count it as miracle if they aren't stolen by the commiecrats. But miracles do happen. I counted Bush's victories both in 2000 and in 2004 as miracles. Seriously. Said so beforehand, in both cases. Praying we get some more miracles next year. We'll need them!

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 28, 2011 07:55 AM (2AfqM)

85 PS - If we really want to get all questionny, how about the real reason that Christie is out fundraising for others, speaking at the Reagan Library, etc, is that he has already been asked by one or more candidates to be VP.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 28, 2011 07:55 AM (jiVmv)

86 I get the feeling of "its ok to dump O for another black guy" vibe.

I'm not going to lie: one reason I like Cain is because he has the capability to pick up people like that who know Obama is a SCOAMF but need their racial guilt soothed.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 28, 2011 07:56 AM (tqwMN)

87 If I was Chrispy Creme's VP I'd ensure that Top Chef Desserts was on every channel in the WH.

Posted by: tangonine at September 28, 2011 07:56 AM (x3YFz)

88 OT: But OMG

Posted by: lu at September 28, 2011 07:56 AM (pLTLS)

89 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 28, 2011 11:31 AM

^^^this^^^

Actually, all Big Chris has to do is look at this friggin' thread and that should cool whatever fire in the belly (yeah, I said that) for a presidential run. People are dissin' him for running, for not running, and for being whatever they think he is.

Even if all he is in his closet are empty Cheeto bags, he should pass on the "opportunity" unless it's what he wants most to do. If the latter, he should throw his fat hat into the ring and get with it.

He, like everyone except RON PAUL!!!11!!, Mutt Romney and the maybe-I-am-maybe-I'm-not "candidates" will serve the country far better than has the stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 28, 2011 07:57 AM (YjjrR)

Christie does have young kids. He probably doesn't want to put them through the public scrutiny and attacks that were heaped upon Sarah Palin and her family. You know that the attack dogs in the MFM will be doing all they can to prop up their Cardboard Messiah. You can bet that whoever the candidate is, the MFM will be digging up every teaspoon of dirt possible (another reason, I think it's foolish for the Republicans to rush through their primaries, it just gives the opposition more time to do their muckraking).

If you thought the last election was nasty, it will not hold a candle to the sheer vile, violent vitriol that will be launched against Republican candidates for President and VP in 2012. It's going to be constant demogaugeing and cries of racism 24/7. Mark my words.

Posted by: runningrn at September 28, 2011 07:57 AM (0fUOB)

91 #77,I got the same feeling. So we aren't allowed to win against Obama because he is Black?This is pretty fucked up...

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 28, 2011 07:57 AM (5Wl/f)

92 Yet another icon bites it!

Shocking revelation: Zombie W.C. Fields is an idiot! What? Bill Clinton? Shanked that one, didnÂ’t I?

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 28, 2011 07:58 AM (jx2j9)

93 88 OT: But OMG

Posted by: lu at September 28, 2011 11:56 AM (pLTLS)

riiiight. Those jew gangs are just running mindlessly through the streets of Compton.

Posted by: tangonine at September 28, 2011 07:58 AM (x3YFz)

94 Chris Christie's deep, dark secret is that he paid for his college tuition by working as a JOO Janitor.

Posted by: runningrn at September 28, 2011 07:59 AM (0fUOB)

95 Unlike Obama, the guy wants to finish what he started... it's called FIXING NEW JERSEY! So let's let him get this done, so he can say, "look motherfuckers... I fixed New Jersey, now let me go to work on the rest of this country."

Sheesh.

Posted by: scottythrust at September 28, 2011 07:59 AM (VTeUD)

I appreciate your executive experience requirement, but legislators don't run anything, so your rule pretty much eliminates them forever doesn't it?

Posted by: CJ at September 28, 2011 11:37 AM

I don't see a down side.

Posted by: huerfano at September 28, 2011 07:59 AM (263hv)

97 55 That's why I left a little wiggle room for the likes of Ryan, who has been so much better a leader than most of our so-called executives. He is definitely an exception, though, and I would still prefer that he had a stint as a governor. The problem is that every other politician thinks of himself that way, too.

Generally speaking, I would count Speaker or Majority Leader as being an executive position (Speaker more so).

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2011 08:00 AM (o2lIv)

88 OT:

the brews

Posted by: NoFX at September 28, 2011 08:01 AM (npBW1)

99 OT: But OMG

Posted by: lu at September 28, 2011 11:56 AM (pLTLS)

I'm not exactly familiar with all of the rules, but I'm pretty certain that virgins are out of the question now for this guy.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 28, 2011 08:01 AM (jx2j9)

100 re: @84
P.S. Yes, I believe in miracles, but that's not to say we're absolved from a lot of hard work here in the trenches. Sign up at the Concord Project, Procinct.net and/or the Precinct Project.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 28, 2011 08:01 AM (2AfqM)

101 Beck is right.

The country is in bad shape, NJ was in bad shape, NJ isn't in such bad shape anymore thanks to Christie, "not feeling the call" or whatever is nonsense. Reluctant rulers are the best rulers anyway, and ones who get shit done are a plus.

Time to stop thinking about all the reasons you "can't" and start thinking about what your country needs, Governor Christie.

Posted by: deepelemblues at September 28, 2011 08:02 AM (Jov5i)

102 Good points. I like it that Christie is clearing up his softness on immigration but it's true, he's only been in power for a short period of time. How does he imagine the country fits into the world stage. Is he a transformational republican or a status quo type that just wants to run the beauracracy for a while?

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2011 08:03 AM (QxSug)

103 95 Unlike Obama, the guy wants to finish what he started... it's called FIXING NEW JERSEY! So let's let him get this done, so he can say, "look motherfuckers... I fixed New Jersey, now let me go to work on the rest of this country."

Sheesh.

Exactly.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2011 08:03 AM (o2lIv)

104 Christie is going to run. But he'll run in 2016. He'd be pretty stupid to get elected governor, run for president just two years later and lose. It would also pretty much be the end of the road for him politically. Where else would he go from there?

I think that HE thinks Obama is going to win next year, and he sees no reason to run this time. But if Obama DOES win next year I guarantee you he's in for 2016.

Posted by: JEA at September 28, 2011 08:04 AM (YNPwP)

105 Oh, and just for the record, Herman Cain isn't authentically black. He isn't down for the struggle. He's just a self loathing, Oreo Lawn Jockey Uncle Tom sell out who's being fronted as a Manchurian Candidate by the Teabaggers. So a vote for KKKain is abhorrently racist.

Posted by: runningrn at September 28, 2011 08:04 AM (0fUOB)

106 If Christie doesn't want to run for personal reasons, that his choice. But if he actually believes Obama's unbeatable, he's wrong.

I can't think of a worse president in my lifetime. The man came into office having accomplished nothing, and he's going to leave with that record intact.

Posted by: Mike at September 28, 2011 08:05 AM (NH9Y5)

107 I haven't read all the comments yet but I am told that his health is an issue. Sounds right, too.

Posted by: spongeworthy at September 28, 2011 08:06 AM (puy4B)

108 @90: Christie does have young kids. He probably doesn't want to put them through the public scrutiny and attacks that were heaped upon Sarah Palin and her family.

And that, my fellow Paul Ryan fans, is one of the main reasons our Most Adored is not running. That, and the related fact that he doubts a President can balance work and family the way a Congressman can. And the fact that his children are in the most formative phase of their lives and he doesn't want to miss out on it. AND the fact that he is absolutely crucial in the role he currently has in the House, being the number one budget person, possibly even gaining the Ways and Means Committee chairmanship in 2013.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 28, 2011 08:06 AM (2AfqM)

109 I was bummed about Daniels, he was my dream candidate. But.. if that was my husband or father.. I would beg him not to do it either. He was interviewed by CBS where he said his children begged him not to. He almost choked up over it.
Maybe Christie really wants to fix NJ first. Maybe he feels that is his calling. Maybe he loves his state and wants to leave a mark on it by getting it on its feet.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp tea party terrorist at September 28, 2011 12:02 PM (qjUnn)

Much like terrorism, if the media wins, we all lose.

Posted by: Â© Sponge at September 28, 2011 08:07 AM (UK9cE)

110 Obama will lose. We could run Christine O'donnell and she could run on the "I'm not a witch nor am I Obama" platform. But whoever does run will experience drano up the butt as the praetorian guard media tries to take them down. Which should give one pause.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 28, 2011 08:08 AM (QxSug)

111 95 Unlike Obama, the guy wants to finish what he started... it's called FIXING NEW JERSEY! So let's let him get this done, so he can say, "look motherfuckers... I fixed New Jersey, now let me go to work on the rest of this country."

Sheesh.

Posted by: scottythrust at September 28, 2011 11:59 AM (VTeUD)

THIS!!

Don't Mess with our BIG Man.We'll mess you up!

Posted by: dananjcon grand poobah NJ polish janitors union at September 28, 2011 08:08 AM (8ieXv)

112 Well, that's true, but that's not the same as top-dog executive.

Relevant experience but still, as an actual politician

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To whom did Christie report? (I'm sure you know more about this than I do.) I had the impression that US Attorneys report to the Atty General of the US. So to me that seems like they are pretty accountable (solely) for what happens in their districts, not really taking direction from the AG. That seems like an executive to me. Then again, I consider most VPs or SVPs to be exectuives, not just CEOs.

And are US Attorneys somewhat political? I realize they are not elected, but it seems as though they wind up wading into cases and frame their strategies vis a vis those cases in part because of the political issues involved. I didn't think they just prosecuted everything or everything with the same vigor. Again, my impression could be wrong.

Anyway, I like Christie a great deal, but I think it would be better for him to finish his term and I think that the base really won't get behind him. Mostly, I don't think we "need" him to run with Perry available. But we do need Perry to get on his game.

Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 08:09 AM (5H6zj)

113 @106: Oh, and just for the record, Herman Cain isn't authentically black. He isn't down for the struggle. He's just a self loathing, Oreo Lawn Jockey Uncle Tom sell out who's being fronted as a Manchurian Candidate by the Teabaggers. So a vote for KKKain is abhorrently racist.

Sadly enough, you know that is exactly the storyline the MSM will subtly or not so subtly convey -- and millions of people will fall for it. Thank you, Barack Obama, for being such a uniter not a divider and bringing about such improvement in racial relations in America. NOT.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 28, 2011 08:09 AM (2AfqM)

114 These donors who keep going from person to person in search of a perfect candidate need to realize that there is no such thing as a perfect candidate.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 28, 2011 08:10 AM (o2lIv)

115 What he doesnt have - a fundraising team in place to raise a billion dollars.

Posted by: Jean at September 28, 2011 08:10 AM (TjgR9)

116 @95 -- . I fixed New Jersey, now let me go to work on the rest of this country."
Posted by: scottythrust at September 28, 2011 11:59 AM (VTeUD)

Just remember, New Jersey is the only state that you have to pay a toll to LEAVE

Posted by: Mark E at September 28, 2011 08:12 AM (w5RwR)

117 dr kill @60

"daughter-haters"??
"Neo-Puritans"??

WTF. That's some attitude you got there.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 28, 2011 08:14 AM (2AfqM)

118 There are two qualities we want to see in a POTUS that I think get conflated: executive skills and leadership ability. Romney has one but not the other, imho. Christie and Perry seem to have both.

Posted by: Y-not at September 28, 2011 08:14 AM (5H6zj)

119 Ace, you're in love with a big fat man (a Northeastern RINO). No wonder you're always kicking Republican and Libertarian women so hard. Christie is another version of Giuliani, who, while being good for NYC, was not acceptable to the Republican base because of his Liberal social views. Christie believes in Global Warming, Amnesty for Illegals, Abortion... The only way Christie makes it to the White House is as a VP pick. Christie may understand this, do you?

Posted by: I Agree More With Pam at September 28, 2011 08:15 AM (ePSRF)

120 P.S. to dr kill @60

The real daughter-haters and repressives are radical Muslims -- whose asses are kissed by nearly every "liberal" or "moderate."

Wake up and get over your prejudices long enough to see reality. You're firing on the wrong enemy.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 28, 2011 08:16 AM (2AfqM)

121 reply to @121:

I don't like Christie, but you're wrong about his stand on abortion. He's pro-life. Even spoke at a Jan. 22 pro-life rally.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 28, 2011 08:17 AM (2AfqM)

122

It's the fat jokes

Nah. I remember when he was running for governor and he was on Imus. The first question he was asked was, "Just how fat are you?"

His response was something like, "I'm huuuge. Like 500 pounds."

It was funny and refreshing. Not only that, after the interview, his poll numbers surged and he won fairly handily.

Anyway, I don't think he owes that blubbering fool Beck another answer on his Presidential non-aspirations for '12. The fact is that he has consistantly said that he has work to do in Jersey and had no plans on running. Personally, I'm fine with that. He seems to be a good governor of Jersey. His gun grabbing tendancies make me uncomfortable with him for the top spot.

Beck can now go cry about something else.

Posted by: The Outlaw in the Heavenly Hall at September 28, 2011 08:19 AM (E0EDC)

123 Glenn Beck? Wasn't he the guy that got fired from FOX?

Posted by: Barbarian at September 28, 2011 08:20 AM (EL+OC)

124 WTF?

Let the dude complete a single term of office before running for president, for pete's sake.

This is Beck striving for attention.

If someone doesn't run for president they might have a scandal? Really? Because there are 150 million eligible people not running for president.

Christie is excellent for NJ, and not excellent for the GOP in red states. he is an AMAZING VP prospect, and very well may have lined something like that up for all I know. I think that's his best next move. Running for President accomplishes what, exactly?

Posted by: Dustin at September 28, 2011 08:21 AM (fF625)

125
OT, but for all you who are/were disillusioned with Firefox (me especially), they released an update that addresses all the problems, like no response, excessive load time, etc. Seems to have eliminated all the damn shit that made browsing so infuriating lately.

Now back to the scheduled Christie dissection already in progress.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 28, 2011 08:22 AM (SAMxH)

126 Speaking as one who pulls up America's average weight, I'll admit that one of my issues with Gov. Christie is 'optics'.

Just like the probably 'shopped birth cert showed up, an 'authentic' picture of the Null will magically appear with him as a starving child.

The days when a Wm Howard Taft could get elected are gone.

Posted by: Mark E at September 28, 2011 08:23 AM (w5RwR)

127 He is a gun grabber. I cannot and will not support him unless he's already nominated and I have little choice.

Same for Romney. Principles.

But Christie is highly effective and a great speaker. I'm glad he's there in NJ instead of the alternative. They literally cannot do better. The USA can, no offense intended to gun grabbers.

But if Christie is the next VP, don't be too surprised. He has a lot of the traits. He's amazing under fire. He won't upstage anybody, either, and he's ready to lead from day one. And he kinda needs something to appeal himself to the rest of the nation, and hopefully flip flop on issues like gun rights, which he can't do in NJ for political expediency (flip flops of this nature suck, I know).

Posted by: Dustin at September 28, 2011 08:24 AM (fF625)

128

The man has said he doesn't feel ready and doesn't have the desire to drop his current man-sized job of being a reforming governor of a liberal state, to be a outside contender for President. (And I don't want him in the White House since he favors amnesty and gun control.)

To reject that honest self-awareness as "weak" and then imagine what dark scandal REALLY keeps him out, is despicable.

Posted by: Chris at September 28, 2011 08:32 AM (3GtyG)

129 123

riiiight. Those jew gangs are just running mindlessly through the streets of Compton.

Posted by: tangonine at September 28, 2011 11:58 AM (x3YFz)

Someone has a problem with reading comprehension.

Posted by: Fonix at September 28, 2011 12:17 PM (Zs83Q)

yeah, sorry. Not a "reading comprehension" problem, a "not reading the title and speed reading the article.

Still, though, North St. Louis isn't much better than Compton.

Posted by: tangonine at September 28, 2011 08:41 AM (x3YFz)

130 Thank you 124 for correcting me. I didn't know that Christie was pro-Life.

Posted by: I Agree More With Pam at September 28, 2011 08:46 AM (ePSRF)

131 Christie's not that old, there's always 2020, or if the worst happens, 2016. I think he should complete his term as gov. He's had a strong start, we need to see if he has endurance or will burn himself out quickly.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 28, 2011 08:51 AM (P7hip)

132 "To reject that honest self-awareness as "weak" and then imagine what dark scandal REALLY keeps him out, is despicable. Posted by: Chris"

Agreed. It's trashy and lower than tabloid journalism. Beck appears to want a little attention, and couldn't come up with anything. I guess burning Breitbart's people was a mistake, Mr Beck. When you use people, it catches up to you. Now you breaking news is that Christie might have a scandal because he's acting like an honest man?

Posted by: Dustin at September 28, 2011 08:56 AM (fF625)

133 By his third hour, Beck was pretty cool with Christie's "not called" argument. Seem like his chaplain might have pointed out that that reason was in fact in line with Beck's religion shtik.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at September 28, 2011 08:58 AM (g9neE)

134 ya know, I've been a talk radio fans for like forever, started hearing Rush in 1991 before they ever carried him in my town...lately they started running Neil Boortz and he's fun sometimes.

But these guys really do like to provoke & instigate shit. All of them.

Posted by: jeanne at September 28, 2011 08:59 AM (GdalM)

135 134 I think he should complete his term as gov. He's had a strong start, we need to see if he has endurance or will burn himself out quickly.

This.

Posted by: jeanne at September 28, 2011 09:00 AM (GdalM)

136 I wouldn't be a Christie supporter in the primaries, but another reason is that he simply hasn't been in his own job enough to want to run. He inherited a mess in Jersey, and I believe he really wants to clean it up first before he attends to other matters. Now, you can argue that he could help clean up New Jersey in the presidency, but if you believe in federalism then the executive most responsible for righting things within a state will be the governor.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at September 28, 2011 09:07 AM (IGkEP)

137 Speaking as one who pulls up America's average weight, I'll admit that one of my issues with Gov. Christie is 'optics'.

Just like the probably 'shopped birth cert showed up, an 'authentic' picture of the Null will magically appear with him as a starving child.

The days when a Wm Howard Taft could get elected are gone.<<<

The hell? Ever think maybe you're the outlier?

Posted by: Kerry at September 28, 2011 09:37 AM (a/VXa)

138 Christie's wife is from my alma mater (high school). No one who is not wonderful, lovely, good, virtuous and talented comes out of that school. Ergo, she is all those things, and has excellent taste in husbands. There are no skeletons or the NJEA would have found them. He has a lot of work in NJ. The people of New Jersey need him. I can see states becoming v important after the federal collapse that seems inevitable. He is wise to stay on as Governor.

Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at September 28, 2011 09:45 AM (SB0V2)

139 "But these guys really do like to provoke & instigate shit. All of them.

Posted by: jeanne at September 28, 2011 12:59 PM (GdalM)"

The ones who don't cannot compete with the ones who do when it's time to make money with all the attention you gained for your advertisers. It's the nature of the beast. Rush usually does it without being a douchebag, but instead with wit. Beck often manages the same, but sometimes he's downright lame.

Posted by: Dustin at September 28, 2011 10:02 AM (fF625)

140 What the hell? Christie hasn't been teasing, he's said clearly and repeatedly "I'M NOT RUNNING" over and over again. The only tease are moderate Republicans salivating over him being in the race trying over and over again to suggest he will be. Good lord.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 28, 2011 10:46 AM (r4wIV)

141
Let Krispy jump right on in. And have Rick Perry's pointy-toed, silver-tipped right boot bouncing repeatedly off of his impenetrable lardseam.

Posted by: J. Moses Browning at September 28, 2011 10:49 AM (c33MC)

142 Christie would have been the perfect candidate.Just the debates with Obama alone would have cheered the nation up........

Posted by: christmasghost at September 28, 2011 10:57 AM (ibzsd)

143 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at September 28, 2011 12:38 PM (fyOgS)

144
As the article says ....I really enjoy your blog. Intelligent and to the point.

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