October 27, 2011
— Ace The facts and numbers here make a strong case for themselves, without the need for shouting and emotional arguments (such as "Scott Walker is Hitler").
Thanks to Ben.
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Posted by: Roy at October 27, 2011 11:38 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 27, 2011 11:42 AM (8y9MW)
Too late. Kasich wants to let all of our houses burn down should they catch on fire.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 27, 2011 11:42 AM (OZfNl)
Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 27, 2011 11:43 AM (tazG1)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 03:41 PM (NadeK)
You're right, Obama is getting old and lame.
Posted by: KG at October 27, 2011 11:43 AM (LD21B)
And proudonkey is an imbecilic Alexandrium tamarense.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 27, 2011 11:44 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Bosk at October 27, 2011 11:46 AM (n2K+4)
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at October 27, 2011 11:46 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 03:41 PM (NadeK)
The truth is never old and lame, and Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. Print it and take it to the bank.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 27, 2011 11:46 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 27, 2011 11:47 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Bob Saget at October 27, 2011 11:47 AM (SDkq3)
Perhaps, but what is really old, lame, and stale is your "independent" shtick. Be proud of what you are, isn't that what your name states anyway.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 27, 2011 11:49 AM (9hSKh)
...you know what else is old and lame...
Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 27, 2011 03:43 PM (tazG1)
Calling people who disagree with you "a Kos Kid who moonlights here to stir up the shit."Posted by: Ed Anger at October 27, 2011 11:49 AM (7+pP9)
Good. Maybe we can bash them instead of our candidates.
Though it may take a while for dum dum to come back. I'm not sure how quickly he'll be able to look up Alexandrium tamarense.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 27, 2011 11:50 AM (8y9MW)
Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
That's getting old...and lame.
I disagree, whole-heartedly. Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure. This clown who should have been dismissed for many causes, was sold as a 'light worker', whatever the f*ck that is. The MFM actually took him seriously, even after he demonstrated that he would flunk 7th grade geography. Until the NYT or someone else runs a headline that 'Barack Obama is a Stuttering Clusterf*ck of a Miserable Failure!', I shall continue to type, 'Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure'
Posted by: fluffy at October 27, 2011 11:50 AM (O6q63)
Back to topic, the WisLibs are running out of time for their recall - the numbers are coming in and it's not looking good for all the gloom and doom.
Imagine that.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 27, 2011 11:51 AM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 27, 2011 11:52 AM (tazG1)
Posted by: The Muslim Brotherhood at October 27, 2011 11:52 AM (FcR7P)
Calling the most powerful speaker of the last 100 years a stutterer borders on insanity.
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 11:52 AM (NadeK)
Posted by: AmishDude at October 27, 2011 03:38 PM (T0NGe)
Hell, can we get that on the tv over here in NY?
Posted by: mugiwara at October 27, 2011 11:52 AM (W7ffl)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 27, 2011 11:53 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 27, 2011 03:44 PM (8y9MW)
He is a scybalum. Don't insult bacteria - they are only doing what they have to in order to survive.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2011 11:54 AM (MSCON)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 27, 2011 11:54 AM (SB0V2)
Tuesday night, speaking to a tea-party group in Arizona, Arpaio said, “I can’t tell you everything, but there could be a shock there somewhere that my guys came up with. I can’t talk too much about it. It’s in the process.”
Uh oh. Is that Ace's squeak hole I hear scrunching up?
Posted by: Your Papers Please at October 27, 2011 11:54 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: mugiwara at October 27, 2011 11:54 AM (W7ffl)
So you admit he's a clusterf*ck of a miserable failure then. Good to know you're on board.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 27, 2011 11:54 AM (8y9MW)
I would suggest posting this on your facebook pages if you have them.
Perhaps join Recall Wisconsin facebook groups and post this as well
Posted by: Ben at October 27, 2011 11:55 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 27, 2011 11:55 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: t-bird at October 27, 2011 11:55 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: mugiwara at October 27, 2011 03:54 PM (W7ffl)
Intellectual stammer there wingnut.
Posted by: MSM at October 27, 2011 11:55 AM (EL+OC)
Posted by: nickless at October 27, 2011 11:56 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Max Wedge at October 27, 2011 11:56 AM (Eax94)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 27, 2011 11:56 AM (OZfNl)
Calling the most powerful speaker of the last 100 years a stutterer borders on insanity.
Average Joe? Even DumDum isn't that stupid.
And the SCOAMF is the most profound stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure who ever stuttered while miserably failing to clusterf*ck while stuttering.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 27, 2011 11:57 AM (G+B5p)
FIFY
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 27, 2011 11:57 AM (Qxdfp)
That wasn't me, fuck nugget, but I guess he hit a nerve, eh?
Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 27, 2011 03:52 PM (tazG1)
Calling people who disagree with you a fuck nugget is also old and lame.Posted by: Ed Anger at October 27, 2011 11:57 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Do I know you? at October 27, 2011 11:57 AM (OlN4e)
Calling the most powerful speaker of the last 100 years a stutterer borders on insanity.
You have no brains to eat, so you are safe from me.
Posted by: zombie James Michael Curley at October 27, 2011 11:57 AM (O6q63)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 03:52 PM (NadeK)
"We are the ones we have been waiting for" versus everything that Winston Church ever said, FDR, JFK, Martin Luther King Jr. etc.
Advantage: Obama Everyone else.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2011 11:58 AM (MSCON)
Old and lame like your mom's sorry excuse for a cootch, pd?
You know what never gets old? Calling Jugears "Toonces". I could do it all day.
"Toonces. Toooonces. Toon-cez. Le Toonce-inator".
Great fun.
Posted by: spongeworthy at October 27, 2011 11:58 AM (puy4B)
Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 27, 2011 11:58 AM (tazG1)
Posted by: nickless at October 27, 2011 03:56 PM (MMC8r)
Bad luck is luck too!
Posted by: mugiwara at October 27, 2011 11:58 AM (W7ffl)
I also said that sometimes I think we don't deserve him.
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 11:58 AM (NadeK)
Posted by: Ben at October 27, 2011 11:59 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 03:52 PM (NadeK)
More than Martin Luther King? Malcolm X? Winston Churchill? Patton? FDR? Or any numerous hundreds of people who aren't banal teleprompter readers?
You're laughable, and you don't even know how you're laughable.
Posted by: nickless at October 27, 2011 11:59 AM (MMC8r)
That's getting old...and lame.
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 03:41 PM (NadeK)
Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. Sounds fresh, concise, and up-to-date.
Posted by: Soona - stocking up on ammo at October 27, 2011 11:59 AM (y0bJs)
so I notice that 90% of the comments here are feeding a pathetic troll instead of this awesome video.
Kids love pinatas.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 27, 2011 11:59 AM (G+B5p)
It's been so long since one has been around, though. Awesome videos come up once or twice a week.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 27, 2011 11:59 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: spongeworthy at October 27, 2011 12:00 PM (puy4B)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 03:58 PM (NadeK)
I think we do. God sent him as punishment for our sins.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2011 12:00 PM (MSCON)
Posted by: Do I know you? at October 27, 2011 12:00 PM (OlN4e)
I also said that sometimes I think we don't deserve him.
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 03:58 PM (NadeK)
You do.
Posted by: nickless at October 27, 2011 12:00 PM (MMC8r)
Average Joe? Even DumDum isn't that stupid.
And the SCOAMF is the most profound stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure who ever stuttered while miserably failing to clusterf*ck while stuttering.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 27, 2011 03:57 PM (G+B5p)
Dude, yes he is. Remember "When has a popular uprising ever defeated a sitting tyrant?"
Posted by: buzzion at October 27, 2011 12:00 PM (GULKT)
so I notice that 90% of the comments here are feeding a pathetic troll instead of this awesome video.
My boss is departing in a few minutes. I still have to watch the O'Keefe video.
Posted by: zombie James Michael Curley at October 27, 2011 12:00 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: dr kill at October 27, 2011 12:01 PM (le5qc)
Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 27, 2011 12:01 PM (tazG1)
Proudlackey needs to go after the SCOAMF comments, because he's got nothing on Wisconsin going into the black.
Distract, change the subject, find a new target, change your attention.
It's the liberal way.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 27, 2011 12:01 PM (Qxdfp)
Dumb bitch going with bench trial was her 1,387th mistake I suppose.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 27, 2011 12:02 PM (OZfNl)
http://tinyurl.com/3bdsm99
Now.. if we can convince Rubio to go for the VEEP slot, how well does that put for cinching Florida for the GOP prez candidate?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 27, 2011 12:02 PM (f9c2L)
obama's berlin speech still gives me chills.
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 12:02 PM (NadeK)
Posted by: Ben at October 27, 2011 03:59 PM (wuv1c)
Well I guess we could all say how awesome it is and people in Ohio need to see it. But that's already been said.
Posted by: buzzion at October 27, 2011 12:03 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Tallahassee Jackenbootenstein at October 27, 2011 12:03 PM (GvYeG)
Calling the most powerful speaker of the last 100 years a stutterer borders on insanity.
You know whats insane? Proposing half a trillion dollar stimulous bill after the previous 1.5 TRILLION in spending did nothing to help the economy. Thats bat shit insane, right there. Thats fig eating apes gibbering under a waterfall insane.
Posted by: Max Power at October 27, 2011 12:03 PM (q177U)
Posted by: nickless at October 27, 2011 12:03 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: curiously painful stool at October 27, 2011 12:03 PM (Tmioo)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 04:02 PM (NadeK)
More or less than your douche?
Posted by: Your Papers Please at October 27, 2011 12:03 PM (EL+OC)
Dude, in the medical field we call that withdrawals.
Get help.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 27, 2011 12:04 PM (Qxdfp)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 04:02 PM (NadeK)
Reagan gave a pretty good speech there too. My favorite part was Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.
What was your favorite part about Obama's?
Posted by: robtr at October 27, 2011 12:04 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 04:02 PM (NadeK)
Well take something and lie down for a bit. If it persists, call a doctor.
Okay, I know you cannot be serious, but this is fun.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2011 12:04 PM (MSCON)
Posted by: Do I know you? at October 27, 2011 12:04 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: proudonkey
............
FIFY
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 27, 2011 12:04 PM (f9c2L)
obama's berlin speech still gives me chills.
Quick. Give an example of one supremely quotable line from the Berlin Speech.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 27, 2011 12:04 PM (G+B5p)
Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 27, 2011 12:05 PM (tazG1)
Was Rubio cleared of gerrymandering the Primary date in favor of Romney?
Posted by: Your Papers Please at October 27, 2011 12:05 PM (EL+OC)
Don't forget to fellate her, hear?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 27, 2011 12:05 PM (8y9MW)
Actually it did help. Without it, I fear the unemployment rate would've reached 12%.
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 12:05 PM (NadeK)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 03:52 PM (NadeK)
Weren't you supposed to go to Oakland and arrest all of the police?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 27, 2011 12:06 PM (1Jaio)
No, that Jason. But I can see how you'd make the mistake.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 27, 2011 12:06 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 04:05 PM (NadeK
As opposed to whatever they claimed it was going to reach, which was considerably lower than what it actually is now.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2011 12:07 PM (MSCON)
What was your favorite part about Obama's?
"We are the ones we've been waiting for"
"This is the time, this is the moment"
among others. I gotta go.
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 12:07 PM (NadeK)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 27, 2011 12:07 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 04:05 PM (NadeK)
I wonder what your "gf" will think when you dump her after her IP gets banned on this site and you can no longer leach off of her to feed your unhealthy obsession with Ace you pathetic fuck.
Posted by: buzzion at October 27, 2011 12:07 PM (GULKT)
Gov. Walker and WI are the best example of how a state (not the fed) can change the balance of power; how a state can flex it's constitutional muscle and tell the DC elite to go fuck themselves. The power of the future will lie within the states to change the direction of this country.
That's why it's just as important to pay as much attention to local and state elections as it is to the national elections.
Posted by: Soona - stocking up on ammo at October 27, 2011 12:08 PM (y0bJs)
Calling the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure a "lightworker" is merely spreading a failure of proper English construction and poor editing.
Osama Obama always has been a "light worker." Anything heavy -- like, you know, a real job or even intellectual activity beyond parroting the words of Bill Ayers Karl Marx his Muslim faith someone else -- is far beyond the scope of light work.
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 27, 2011 12:08 PM (YjjrR)
"We are the ones we've been waiting for"
"This is the time, this is the moment"
among others. I gotta go.
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 04:07 PM (NadeK)
Yes, stroking his own ego. Very memorable. Go get your shine box
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 27, 2011 12:08 PM (1Jaio)
among others. I gotta go.
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 04:07 PM (NadeK)
You might try reading some of Winston Churchill's speeches, or any of the other speakers mentioned above. Then you would actually understand what good rhetoric sounds like.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2011 12:09 PM (MSCON)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 03:52 PM (NadeK)
Soetero's powers of speech are so great he got chicago eliminated from the Olympics in the first round.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 27, 2011 12:09 PM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Your Papers Please
..................
Cleared? They hold trials in the blogosphere nowadays?
Just because a major player in Florida politics who also had ties to Rubio might have had something to do with that.. etc.. etc.. no one gives shit anyway.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 27, 2011 12:10 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Tallahassee Jackenbootenstein at October 27, 2011 12:10 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 27, 2011 12:11 PM (vzFJV)
I agree completely. Churchill is dwarfed by Obama, as is Reagan, Kennedy, Teddy Roosevelt....
Fool.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 27, 2011 12:11 PM (UYLrj)
You might try reading some of Winston Churchill's speeches, or any of the other speakers mentioned above. Then you would actually understand what good rhetoric sounds like.
You give the lad too much credit. He's 'special', but not that special.
Posted by: fluffy at October 27, 2011 12:12 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: proudonkey at October 27, 2011 04:07 PM (NadeK)
Time to get your diaper changed?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 27, 2011 12:12 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Leave It to Walker at October 27, 2011 12:13 PM (CGxxU)
Palin Steele cannot be parodied. Although it's true, he stammers rather than stutters. Tomato, tomahto.
Posted by: toby928© at October 27, 2011 12:14 PM (IfkGz)
You might try reading some of Winston Churchill's speeches, or any of the other speakers mentioned above. Then you would actually understand what good rhetoric sounds like.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 27, 2011 04:09 PM (MSCON)
What's rhetoric? Sounds racist.
Posted by: proudonkey's girlfriend at October 27, 2011 12:14 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 27, 2011 12:15 PM (tazG1)
Posted by: Slow Joe Biden at October 27, 2011 12:15 PM (yxiq7)
"We are the ones we've been waiting for"
"This is the time, this is the moment"
You are pretty easily entertained. He didn't say the first one. He came close to saying the second one. Read the whole speech and tell me how much of his rhetoric came true.
There is no wall in Berlin anymore.
Posted by: robtr at October 27, 2011 12:18 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Tallahassee Jackenbootenstein at October 27, 2011 12:18 PM (GvYeG)
Quote something from it, dunce. I have yet to read a speech from the SCoaMF that didn't evaporate from it's own trite weightlessness.
Posted by: toby928© at October 27, 2011 12:19 PM (IfkGz)
Posted by: t-bird at October 27, 2011 12:19 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Tallahassee Jackenbootenstein at October 27, 2011 12:19 PM (GvYeG)
.............
They are getting desperate.. even the mood over at Daily Kooks is terribly down. Jabbing at us with praise of O'Stumblefuck is the only fun they can get right now.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 27, 2011 12:19 PM (f9c2L)
Anyone on the ground have a view?
Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 27, 2011 04:01 PM (tazG1)
I've said all along that the only poll numbers I care about occur on November 8. Since I live in the Soviet of Cuyahoga county, the stoopid is strong here. But I've stated before that imo a significant number of people aren't going to give an anti-union viewpoint to some anonymous shitstain over the phone and risk having the goons descend on them. Outside of the blue urban hellholes, Ohio is a pretty conservative state. I was pretty sure that Kasich was gonna beat Twitch Strickland two years ago because nothing that incompetent fuckstick did worked in the four miserable years he was in office; but it ended up being closer than it should've been so maybe my ability to predict these things is on the fast fade.
Anyway the state Repukes pulling a gotcha on Romney to embarrass Kasich was one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever experienced so maybe the stupid cocksuckers don't really want to win on this. If so the state party can go fuck itself.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 27, 2011 12:21 PM (G6SvX)
Posted by: Minuteman at October 27, 2011 12:25 PM (CGxxU)
PPP: WALKER 47%/51% APPROVAL.
Up 14 points since his WPIC poll low in March.
Also voters disapprove of a recall and would vote for Walker again over all current opposition candidates (Feingold declared he won't run).
Posted by: CAC at October 27, 2011 12:26 PM (l67jU)
Anyway the state Repukes pulling a
gotcha on Romney to embarrass Kasich was one of the dumbest fucking
things I've ever experienced so maybe the stupid cocksuckers don't
really want to win on this. If so the state party can go fuck itself.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 27, 2011 04:21 PM (G6SvX)
???????Are you saying the state GOP's criticism of Saint Romney for not supporting Kasich was some form of blasphemy?
Posted by: Ed Anger at October 27, 2011 12:31 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Ed Anger at October 27, 2011 04:31 PM (7+pP9)
Not at all; I'm saying that if an anti-Kasich faction set up Romney for a "gotcha" moment at Kasich at the expense of hurting Issue 2, that would be an incredibly dumb thing to do. I say that as somebody who isn't a Romney fan.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 27, 2011 12:38 PM (G6SvX)
White House officials said they were not aware of the purchases.
“What I do know, because we looked into it, obviously, the White House didn’t have anything to do with this,” he said. “I think this is an embassy-by-embassy-based decision based on what … makes sense to them in terms of advancing American foreign-policy interests.”
Posted by: Do.I.Make.My.Self.Clear?!!11!! at October 27, 2011 12:43 PM (B0LGd)
I say that as somebody who isn't a Romney fan.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 27, 2011 04:38 PM (G6SvX)
It's good to see another Kos Kid who moonlights here to stir up the shit, compadre.Posted by: Ed Anger at October 27, 2011 12:53 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: nerdygirl at October 27, 2011 12:55 PM (yxiq7)
Posted by: nerdygirl at October 27, 2011 01:00 PM (yxiq7)
It is working. But you'd be hard-pressed to find that news reported in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, the state's biggest newspaper. Yes, there are important alternative outlets -- especially talk radio like Mark Belling and Charlie Sykes out of Milwaukee. But the fear here is that Walker's victories won't be felt by enough people in time to avoid the recall. People are just like that -- they hear people talking about the poor teachers or the poor public employees, but they don't notice things that don't happen.... like their property taxes not going up, where otherwise they would have had to have a big increase.
The video is a good start in getting the word out. We need to do a lot more.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at October 27, 2011 01:00 PM (qHCyt)
Posted by: Y-not at October 27, 2011 02:44 PM (5H6zj)
Reagan gave a pretty good speech there too. My favorite part was Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.
What was your favorite part about Obama's?
"Uh, uh, uh, er, hold on, hold on, wait just a sec, uh, uh, uh, how do you say 'hold on' in Berlinese?"
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Posted by: doumaduo at October 28, 2011 01:26 AM (UTyvb)
So "reducing State employees" is not part of the equasion.
Mind you, Walker did the right thing; just not enough of it.
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Posted by: AmishDude at October 27, 2011 11:38 AM (T0NGe)