June 13, 2011
— andy The CNN New Hampshire GOP presidential debate is scheduled to begin at 8pm Eastern, so pop some popcorn, grab your favorite beverage or 6 and join in the fun with the Official AoSHQ Liveblog and Drinking Game.
As a reminder of how Unexpectedly™ biased CNN's prior debates were, here's a post from 2007 to chew on while we wait.
As always, comments will be moderated in the liveblogger because the feed would be unreadable otherwise (and because of limitations in the software). A comment like "Why aren't my comments showing up?" ... won't ever show up! So don't even post it.
If you want your comments to get posted, you have to be funny and/or insightful (good luck with that). Or be lucky (getting warmer). Or bribe the cobloggers working behind the scenes like monkeys on crack promoting comments (now we're talkin').
Liveblog thingy below the fold.
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When you kill grandma, do you intend to torture her first or just go right for the jugular?
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 13, 2011 03:35 PM (k0TKJ)
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Nah. Even Hell freezing over wouldn't be enough to stop CNN from being leftist asshats.
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 03:36 PM (CA2NO)
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2011 03:36 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: beedubya at June 13, 2011 03:36 PM (AnTyA)
*KA-THUMP!*
What was that sound?
Why, that was the sound of our Preznit officially throwing Weiner under the bus.
“Well, obviously what he did was highly inappropriate,” the president told NBC News in Durham, North Carolina, according to a transcript released by the network. “I think he’s embarrassed himself, he’s acknowledged that, he’s embarrassed his wife and his family. Ultimately there’s going to be a decision for him and his constituents. I can tell you that if it was me, I would resign.”
Sure you would, Barack. Sure you would.
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 03:36 PM (CA2NO)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at June 13, 2011 03:37 PM (GlTtt)
Posted by: Damiano at June 13, 2011 03:37 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: ParisParamusInBrooklyn at June 13, 2011 03:37 PM (QN76w)
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2011 07:36 PM (MMC8r)
Now THAT would be a debate!
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 03:38 PM (CA2NO)
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2011 07:36 PM (MMC8r)
From off the top rope!
Posted by: ErikW at June 13, 2011 03:38 PM (w7yia)
Posted by: Herman Cain at June 13, 2011 03:41 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Mitt Romney, Mad Scientist in the Laboratory of Democracy at June 13, 2011 03:41 PM (QKKT0)
That 2007 link, wow. "Tom Tancredo or Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson," what? Was that a post or a cuneiform tablet?
Posted by: arhooley at June 13, 2011 03:41 PM (YfO7c)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 13, 2011 03:42 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Zimriel at June 13, 2011 03:44 PM (0aTEo)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at June 13, 2011 03:45 PM (GlTtt)
Posted by: Pizza? at June 13, 2011 03:45 PM (NjVr8)
Posted by: steevy at June 13, 2011 03:45 PM (yZYfk)
Posted by: Damiano at June 13, 2011 03:45 PM (3nrx7)
When you kill grandma, do you intend to torture her first or just go right for the jugular?
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 13, 2011 07:35 PM
Uh, Wolf, I was prepared to tell you what I dislike most about this country.
Posted by: Romney at June 13, 2011 03:46 PM (YfO7c)
Posted by: Shallowpoint at June 13, 2011 03:47 PM (kZ5Ek)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at June 13, 2011 03:48 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Pizza? at June 13, 2011 03:48 PM (NjVr8)
Posted by: steevy at June 13, 2011 07:45 PM (yZYfk)
It's for the children.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 13, 2011 03:49 PM (6yyVB)
Posted by: Ronster at June 13, 2011 03:49 PM (ZgcMU)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at June 13, 2011 03:49 PM (O0BIV)
Posted by: Hollowcrackpot at June 13, 2011 03:49 PM (ltq3F)
Who's got the most to lose tonight? CW might say Romney, because everyone's going to gang-arr him, but I think he's fine (for now). If Cain can't catch a second stroke of lightning in the bottle, he might be vulnerable to a cry of "14:59!"
Both of Pawlenty's debate performances (the Iowa "values" thing and the SC thing) were pretty off. Dude has got to break through somehow, and his inability to get aggressive without seeming forced and creepy is a major hurdle. (I like the guy, and in the absence of SWWNBN/Perry he's my pick, but Dude.)
Do they get asked the Palin Question? How do they handle it, if so?
Posted by: Knemon at June 13, 2011 03:50 PM (nsxc+)
Posted by: steevy at June 13, 2011 07:45 PM (yZYfk)
Because they're tragically stupid?
Posted by: ErikW at June 13, 2011 03:50 PM (w7yia)
Posted by: Smirnoff at June 13, 2011 03:50 PM (ltq3F)
Have you tweeted more nude pictures of yourself than Anthony Weiner?
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at June 13, 2011 03:52 PM (3nrx7)
Not that I won't get bored and go play Oblivion in 10 minutes, but still...
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 13, 2011 03:52 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Knemon at June 13, 2011 03:53 PM (nsxc+)
Posted by: Pizza? at June 13, 2011 03:54 PM (NjVr8)
Posted by: RushBabe at June 13, 2011 03:54 PM (Ew27I)
Posted by: steevy at June 13, 2011 03:56 PM (yZYfk)
Posted by: Nighthawk at June 13, 2011 03:56 PM (gN5/n)
Blitzer: Governor Romney; How is it you're the hope of your party?
Romney: Well Wolf; After I saved Massachusetts and the Olympics I really blossomed.
Blitzer: Mr Pawlenty, why do you strangle kittens?
Cain: What kind of a question is that!?
Blitzer: Shut up boy! I'll get to you soon enough!
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at June 13, 2011 03:56 PM (H+LJc)
His region (outer midwest/upper plains) is, along with the intermountain west, the only major region which has never had a President. And its not (as it is with the intermountains) mainly because they've been shut out of the process. They've had repeated high-profile flameouts (McGovern, McCarthy, Mondale).
Now part of that is their scandihoovian leftiness (as perfectly evidenced by those three stooges), but part of it -- and these guys ALSO had this, especially Mondale -- is a regional personality thing.
Face it. This region is our Belgium. Canada South.
Asskickers and Leaders of Men they ain't.
Posted by: Knemon at June 13, 2011 03:57 PM (nsxc+)
Posted by: W Blitzer at June 13, 2011 03:58 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at June 13, 2011 03:59 PM (ltq3F)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2011 04:00 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: beedubya at June 13, 2011 07:36 PM (AnTyA)
Yeah right. Like totally everybody doesn't find that Connecticut RINO brand of coblogger humor totally and uniquely humorous. No?
Groton, Hartford, eat a bag of shit, Bridgeport, Stanford, suck your mother's tit.
Greenwich, Fairfield, all the others suck. Granby, Norwich, hoo rah fuck
Posted by: the Charlie daniels of the torque wrench at June 13, 2011 04:00 PM (le5qc)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:01 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Ronster at June 13, 2011 04:01 PM (ZgcMU)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 08:01 PM (TFxd0)
Thank God there's no bikini competition.....
Posted by: crowsting at June 13, 2011 04:03 PM (61BD9)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:03 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2011 04:05 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: arhooley at June 13, 2011 04:05 PM (YfO7c)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:05 PM (TFxd0)
David Gergen!
What a passionate, charismatic dude.
A passionate squish who goes either way, moderately and tastefully, depending on which party is in power.
Posted by: Cicero at June 13, 2011 04:05 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2011 04:06 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:07 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: arhooley at June 13, 2011 04:07 PM (YfO7c)
Posted by: Knemon at June 13, 2011 04:08 PM (nsxc+)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at June 13, 2011 04:08 PM (GlTtt)
Posted by: arhooley at June 13, 2011 04:09 PM (YfO7c)
He was doing fine until that - then he came off like Alexander Haig (not in a good way)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:10 PM (TFxd0)
The bachmann 20 something babies thing kind of turned me off.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at June 13, 2011 08:08 PM
Was this an abortion thing? I missed it.
Posted by: arhooley at June 13, 2011 04:10 PM (YfO7c)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:11 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2011 04:11 PM (MMC8r)
Having the moderator do it, screws up the dynamics.
I hope to goodness they have a clock.
Bachmann's Big Announcement fell flat.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:12 PM (TFxd0)
Ron had a good answer, blabbering now and looking angry (in a bad way)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:13 PM (UzBwz)
Someone gave her bad advice on that.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:13 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:14 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:14 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:15 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:16 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 04:16 PM (ITYRW)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:16 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Clueless at June 13, 2011 04:16 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: arhooley at June 13, 2011 04:16 PM (YfO7c)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:16 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: rabidfox at June 13, 2011 04:18 PM (UrkTk)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:19 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Geronimo at June 13, 2011 04:20 PM (Tj88Z)
Posted by: arhooley at June 13, 2011 04:20 PM (YfO7c)
I thought Mitt did pretty well on that short answer re Masscare, but he needs to do much more than that to win my vote in the primary. Much more detail. Much more analysis.
And T-Paw needs to wipe that smirk off his face.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:20 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:21 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Breaker19 at June 13, 2011 04:21 PM (qdI7N)
TPaw is not doing well.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:22 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Lizbth at June 13, 2011 04:22 PM (JZBti)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:22 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 13, 2011 04:23 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: DM! at June 13, 2011 04:23 PM (O0Qwy)
Posted by: Pizza? at June 13, 2011 04:23 PM (NjVr8)
Posted by: Lizbth at June 13, 2011 04:24 PM (JZBti)
Posted by: ParisParamusInBrooklyn at June 13, 2011 04:24 PM (QN76w)
Posted by: Breaker19 at June 13, 2011 04:25 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:25 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Lizbth at June 13, 2011 04:25 PM (JZBti)
Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at June 13, 2011 04:26 PM (/WEMO)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:26 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Lizbth at June 13, 2011 04:26 PM (JZBti)
Posted by: guy who'd like a hockey game threadth at June 13, 2011 04:26 PM (zBmfQ)
Posted by: Theresa D. at June 13, 2011 04:27 PM (8Dexq)
Posted by: Lizbth at June 13, 2011 04:27 PM (JZBti)
Yes, which is dangerous (for sane people) because he may actually attract votes. I think he can sound - superficially - smart and reassuring.
Let's see how he does on foreign policy.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:27 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: rabidfox at June 13, 2011 04:28 PM (UrkTk)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:28 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Serious Cat at June 13, 2011 04:29 PM (bAySe)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:30 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Lizbth at June 13, 2011 04:30 PM (JZBti)
Posted by: rabidfox at June 13, 2011 04:30 PM (UrkTk)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:31 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 13, 2011 04:32 PM (nufXD)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:33 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Barak Obama at June 13, 2011 04:34 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:35 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 04:35 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 13, 2011 04:36 PM (nufXD)
Santorum looks very uncomfortable.
Romney looks unhealthy to me.
Bachmann is doing better than I'd expected, but she is coming off as a legislator (which she is, of course) not as an executive.
Cain is too general, but best on time.
Paul is too in the weeds.
I agree that Newt sounds like he's on a Sunday talk show. Also did not like him going on about winning Congressional seats -- that did sound like RNC chair stuff to me. Not presidential.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:36 PM (TFxd0)
ANY of these candidates look good. I hope repubs know they are on CNN, a Obot channel.
Romney, Cain, any of them look good compared to President WTF. And good for them for attacking President WTF more than each other.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at June 13, 2011 04:38 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at June 13, 2011 04:39 PM (/WEMO)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:39 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:40 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:40 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:42 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Breaker19 at June 13, 2011 04:42 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 04:43 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 13, 2011 04:43 PM (nufXD)
Posted by: Wdavisterry at June 13, 2011 04:43 PM (6SLjj)
Posted by: jewells45 at June 13, 2011 04:43 PM (Z71Vg)
Please enjoy Vodkapundits drunk blogging - I know I am.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 13, 2011 04:43 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:44 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 04:45 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at June 13, 2011 04:45 PM (/WEMO)
Posted by: jewells45 at June 13, 2011 04:46 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 04:46 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Dudley Smith at June 13, 2011 04:47 PM (cXhep)
John King running interference for his Messaih Obama, gee, couldn't see this coming.
Won't shut up and let people answer. What a joke! He's speaking more than the candidates.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at June 13, 2011 04:47 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Pizza? at June 13, 2011 04:48 PM (NjVr8)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:49 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Breaker19 at June 13, 2011 04:49 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at June 13, 2011 04:49 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 13, 2011 04:49 PM (nufXD)
Posted by: Rose at June 13, 2011 04:49 PM (PuOaj)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:50 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at June 13, 2011 04:50 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: Pizza? at June 13, 2011 04:50 PM (NjVr8)
I can't believe I've been missing this.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2011 04:52 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at June 13, 2011 08:50 PM (ACkhT)
I hate to say it, he's looking good
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 04:52 PM (UzBwz)
anyone else hear king grunting during answers?
Yes, it's annoying the hell out of me..uh, uh, uh, uh, uh ...
Posted by: Forrest Gump at June 13, 2011 04:54 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: really not sayin' who I am at June 13, 2011 04:54 PM (2y90e)
Posted by: sophistahick at June 13, 2011 04:54 PM (dnbpw)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2011 04:55 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Breaker19 at June 13, 2011 04:58 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: livefreerdie@hotmail.com at June 13, 2011 04:58 PM (ZG8TY)
Notice how King doesn't interrupt Ron Paul during his comments, yet interupts every other repub.
repubs... please don't go on CNN for any more debates, go on C-span, go on PBS(no gwen ifill)... CNN is an Obama worshipping channel.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at June 13, 2011 04:58 PM (ACkhT)
Good comments by everyone. Michelle Bachmann is winning. As I thought she would, so maybe I'm predisposed to bias. But whatever. Nothing she's done has turned me off her.
Good night, friends
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2011 04:59 PM (G5JPI)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 04:59 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 13, 2011 05:00 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:00 PM (k5+eK)
good answer by Cain, needs to deliver w/o sounding angered at questioner
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 05:00 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at June 13, 2011 05:02 PM (/WEMO)
Medicare is innately insolvent, so it must be changed. Prioritize: Cut foreign aid before cutting benefits for citizens who paid through arbitrarily withheld wages for a mandated citizen program (social security). OPT OUT.
Herman Cain attacking Ron Paul as if he didn't just hear the Congressman
just say that Medicare must be restructured.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:02 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:02 PM (kUaEF)
Mitt is the ham sandwich we've been waiting for.
Posted by: Anybody but Obama at June 13, 2011 05:03 PM (JEvSn)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 05:03 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: jewells45 at June 13, 2011 05:04 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:04 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:04 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Punchin BoBo at June 13, 2011 05:04 PM (rwryW)
Posted by: Bob Saget has not been banned yet at June 13, 2011 05:05 PM (NLWij)
Posted by: Mike G. at June 13, 2011 05:06 PM (SiSXi)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:06 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 09:04 PM (kUaEF)
i'm w/ you T-Paw or Perry, but Romney is making me more comfortable about him
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 05:06 PM (UzBwz)
Being Obama-lite, A-B-O barely allows Romney to slide.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:08 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Rose at June 13, 2011 05:08 PM (PuOaj)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:09 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: sophistahick at June 13, 2011 05:09 PM (dnbpw)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:10 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:11 PM (H+LJc)
pff
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:13 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:13 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Religious Persuasion at June 13, 2011 05:13 PM (nufXD)
Newt just helped clarify Cain, thank goodness.....and so did Romney. Shoved it down John's libthroat.
Posted by: Punchin BoBo at June 13, 2011 05:14 PM (rwryW)
#StockModelPhotoFromMoveOn Posted by: livefreerdie@hotmail.com at June 13, 2011 08:58 PM
I'm pretty sure the dead babies are a democrat specialit de la maison.
Posted by: huerfano at June 13, 2011 05:14 PM (izDdO)
Newt knocked it out of the park on that one. Needed to be said - especially to that swarmy King.
Posted by: rabidfox at June 13, 2011 05:14 PM (UrkTk)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:15 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Rose at June 13, 2011 05:16 PM (PuOaj)
Yuck, like Weiner.
like sperm seems sexist -- as if Bachmann would need a donor
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:16 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 05:17 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Gomez Addams at June 13, 2011 05:18 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Rose at June 13, 2011 05:18 PM (PuOaj)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 13, 2011 05:19 PM (nufXD)
Posted by: DougS at June 13, 2011 05:19 PM (K4ydy)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:20 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:21 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:21 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:22 PM (k5+eK)
I agree w/ Paul there but we got bigger issues
Mitt's answer was good, sorry guys he's doing good
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 05:22 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Fartnoise at June 13, 2011 05:22 PM (bCxgV)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 13, 2011 05:23 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at June 13, 2011 05:24 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Theresa D. at June 13, 2011 05:24 PM (8Dexq)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 13, 2011 05:25 PM (nufXD)
Voters, determine the authenticity of each candidate. -- Santorum
Romney's voice sounded breathless in response to that question of his authenticity.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:25 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:27 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:27 PM (H+LJc)
Who died and left you in charge of the language?
Posted by: fluffy at June 13, 2011 05:28 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: DougS at June 13, 2011 09:19 PM (K4ydy)
FTFY!
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 09:21 PM (kUaEF)
Energy/turgor/pants sprinkles whatever. At least somebody on stage would have a pen in their hand to take notes.
Posted by: DougS at June 13, 2011 05:28 PM (K4ydy)
You nailed it!!! pun intended
I lol'd.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 05:28 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at June 13, 2011 05:29 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Ken at June 13, 2011 05:29 PM (JYADs)
Posted by: Breaker19 at June 13, 2011 05:29 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at June 13, 2011 05:30 PM (/WEMO)
Paultards always think they're the smartest in the room.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 05:30 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: winters at June 13, 2011 05:30 PM (k5+eK)
Libs always want ONLY illogical slogans.
Posted by: Jimmah at June 13, 2011 05:30 PM (TfRqk)
I want to see Ron Paul's face melt.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 05:31 PM (TFxd0)
Really? The fact that they don't recognize Ron Paul is a freak gives evidence to the contrary.
Posted by: fluffy at June 13, 2011 05:31 PM (SwkdU)
I'm down with it. Pro-birthers and pro-abortionists. Done.
Posted by: toby928™ at June 13, 2011 05:31 PM (GTbGH)
pff!!!!
No mandates. In Texas, illegal aliens bankrupted our schools and hospitals.
Pro-Charity vs. Tax subsidized illegal aliens. Congress, get off the backs of Churches (Catholic) that traditionally cared for their own indigent populations.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:31 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:33 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:34 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 13, 2011 05:34 PM (nufXD)
Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at June 13, 2011 05:34 PM (/WEMO)
Point of order! We didn't vote!!!
I want mothers to carry their kids to the age of consent!!!!!
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 05:34 PM (TFxd0)
*sigh*
Not a big fan of "debates" this early in the process. Although watching it now, its apparent we're in for four more years of Captain McGutsy Call.
Posted by: Olliander at June 13, 2011 05:34 PM (qIyPa)
*Starts Kissing Huerfano's Arm* Posted by: Gomez Addams at June 13, 2011 09:18 PM
Oh, merde.
Posted by: huerfano at June 13, 2011 05:35 PM (izDdO)
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:35 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: jaimo at June 13, 2011 05:37 PM (nBbCp)
Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at June 13, 2011 05:37 PM (/WEMO)
Ok - so what's the non-euphemism for the other side? "Dr." Kermit Gosnell used euphemism like "ensuirng fetal demise" and "snipping" and "precipitations"
Posted by: jpsr at June 13, 2011 05:38 PM (4Cs89)
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:38 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 05:38 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:38 PM (kUaEF)
Foreign policy next.
Preview question: "Do any of you think you could've been as gutsy as President Obama in nabbing OBL?"
Posted by: Olliander at June 13, 2011 05:39 PM (qIyPa)
Posted by: Pizza? at June 13, 2011 05:40 PM (NjVr8)
Tell us more about your fetish for killing babies and spouting non-sense.
On second thought, go fuck yourself.
Posted by: fluffy at June 13, 2011 05:40 PM (SwkdU)
*facepalm...having/eating cake.
She took a great step forward for State's Rights before trumping the State Rights vs. Federal intrusion with her Constitutional Amendment proposal.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:40 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: sophistahick at June 13, 2011 05:41 PM (dnbpw)
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 13, 2011 05:41 PM (VidfH)
Chris Christie on Piers Morgan tomorrow night? Awesome.
That means that 859 people not living here will see our governor on Tee Vee.
Posted by: Olliander at June 13, 2011 05:41 PM (qIyPa)
Posted by: davo at June 13, 2011 05:41 PM (q8Yz9)
On second thought, go fuck yourself.
I think he's just on a high horse. I guess he believes that pro-lifers (cause that's what we are) aren't doing enough by trying to prevent murder. Apparently unless we pay for the kid to go to college we're some kind of phonies.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 13, 2011 05:42 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2011 05:42 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 13, 2011 05:43 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: ArmyWife at June 13, 2011 05:43 PM (p8aFa)
I really wish Romney had never doubled down on Romneycare.
I don't know why they call these things debates, they should call them infomercials.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 13, 2011 05:43 PM (GEPoZ)
Posted by: rabidfox at June 13, 2011 05:44 PM (UrkTk)
And George W. Bush hates black people, right? Then I guess most so called, pro-choicers could care less about the life of the woman/mother once the fetus has been killed. ?
Posted by: jpsr at June 13, 2011 05:44 PM (4Cs89)
I think he's Barney Frank, because that is the same crap that Frank spills out his pie-hole,
Posted by: fluffy at June 13, 2011 05:45 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: Breaker19 at June 13, 2011 05:45 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: jewells45 at June 13, 2011 05:45 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:46 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: William R at June 13, 2011 05:46 PM (5V4YB)
Posted by: pretzels and beer at June 13, 2011 05:46 PM (vXagV)
Tell me how long Ron Paul can go before he blames it all on the Joooos.
(Or did he already do that when he was talking about the Fed?)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 05:46 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2011 05:46 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 13, 2011 05:47 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 09:46 PM (k5+eK)
Nope. I think I nailed it with the high horse observation.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 13, 2011 05:47 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2011 05:48 PM (afUO8)
A man so courageous that he keeps running as a Republican while he pretends to be a Libertarian. Some leader.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 05:49 PM (TFxd0)
You're willfully stupid. Michelle Bachmann is pro-life. Instead of squirting out babies, then ignoring them, she fostered more than 20 children besides the 5 she gave birth to.
Can you square that with your earlier statement, fuck face?
Posted by: fluffy at June 13, 2011 05:49 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 09:46 PM (k5+eK)
Guys, its a sock.
Posted by: CAC at June 13, 2011 05:49 PM (WXnOB)
T-Paw likes bombing.
Bachmann substantiates Ron Paul's point.
Gingrich, pull out as quickly and safely as possible for our troops. RETHINK our strategy -- no solid intelligence on the ground over there.
Cain -- don't get involved in other peoples messes before we know what's happening and what it is that we're actually doing when we do get involved.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:49 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:50 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:51 PM (kUaEF)
Y-not, one of our esteemed morons posted a really nice bitch-slap of Ron Paul a while ago. I liked it so much I saved it, but unforgivably neglected to note which moron said it. An excerpt:
You know what the difference between Ron Paul and Barack Obama is? Obama only spent two years in Congress doing nothing but running his mouth. Ron Paul is a freaking lifer who has done nothing but run his mouth.
Yeah, let's elect the guy who sat at the end of bar complaining for thirty years.
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2011 05:52 PM (afUO8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 09:50 PM (kUaEF)
That sounds like RINO talk to me... people with experience are part of "the machine". The machine has 2 letters in it that RINO also has, IN. as in, Rinos in the machine.
Thus,
Tap water.
Posted by: H/C Cain supporter at June 13, 2011 05:52 PM (WXnOB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:53 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Ringo at June 13, 2011 05:53 PM (jXqGV)
In 2008 he got more campaign donations from active duty military than any other candidate running. Both parties.
Posted by: William R at June 13, 2011 05:54 PM (5V4YB)
When does Generic Republican take the stage?
Posted by: Olliander at June 13, 2011 05:54 PM (qIyPa)
My son is only 5 foot 6, and he towers over her in a picture he has of him standing next to her.
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They should have gave her a copy of obmacare to stand on
Posted by: Ringo at June 13, 2011 05:54 PM (jXqGV)
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 05:55 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Alex Trebek at June 13, 2011 05:55 PM (GfhFm)
Our invasion of Iraq turned the country over to Iran.
A contender for biggest Paultard appears.
Posted by: William R Goat's Ass at June 13, 2011 05:55 PM (5V4YB)
Bullshit. He's all talk. He's been in Congress since Robert C. Byrd was shitting in his diapers. Ok, bad example. Anyways, he's been there a long time.
What has he done?
What cause has he given us that as President he could get Congress to do anything when he could not get Congress to do anything when he was in Congress.
I sure wish I could remember who posted it, I feel terrible about that.
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2011 05:55 PM (afUO8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:55 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Ministry of Fiction at June 13, 2011 05:55 PM (/WEMO)
Posted by: mbabbitt at June 13, 2011 05:56 PM (/iAOK)
Posted by: Valiant at June 13, 2011 05:56 PM (9/lhd)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 05:56 PM (TFxd0)
Exactly where do you get that information about pro-lifers not caring about babies?
My church (Catholic) donates a huge amount of money to single mothers for diapers, food, baby furniture, etc.
Catholic Charities is the LARGEST charitable group helping women and children.
Cite your source or admit you were parroting the media.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 13, 2011 05:57 PM (Fo83G)
Yes, it's time for BRAND NEW INSANITY! RON PAUL!
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2011 05:57 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:57 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: ArmyWife at June 13, 2011 09:43 PM
Not at all. And certainly, you wouldn't want people sneering at your husband's honorable service in our military.
You should read Mitt Romney's pathetic open letter that he wrote after avoiding serving in the military during the Vietnam War. Ron Paul contrasts having served America to Romney's having NOT served America in the military, Ron Paul having served abroad in Asia Minor whereas Mitt Romney's foreign experience was being a Mormon missionary in France.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:57 PM (H+LJc)
When I was watching (I had to stop before the so con questions), Cain seemed to just be the best at giving succinct answers.
Did he get as many opportunities?
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 05:58 PM (TFxd0)
Ooo, it's taunting us.
Tell us, how would T. Jeff handle jihadi loonies?
Posted by: fluffy at June 13, 2011 05:58 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 13, 2011 05:59 PM (nufXD)
Paul, We can be civil with each other while discussing issues.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 05:59 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 05:59 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 13, 2011 05:59 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 06:00 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: rabidfox at June 13, 2011 06:00 PM (UrkTk)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 06:01 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: marine43 at June 13, 2011 06:01 PM (xehpT)
Sorry if you're not aware, but you're not making sense.
Posted by: maverick muse at June 13, 2011 06:01 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2011 06:01 PM (afUO8)
Posted by: jaimo at June 13, 2011 06:01 PM (nBbCp)
TAAAAAAUL!
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 10:00 PM (k5+eK)
Paulbot 3.0 is malfunctioning at the speed of lawl
Posted by: CAC at June 13, 2011 06:02 PM (WXnOB)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at June 13, 2011 06:02 PM (3nrx7)
Based on what I saw, which was only about 25 or so minutes of it, I thought Bachmann helped herself. Mitt and Pawlenty helped themselves slightly. Santorum bombed. Cain and Newt seemed irrelevant. Paul started out vaguely Perot-like, but it sounds like his troo loon came through as expected.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:02 PM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Pizza? at June 13, 2011 06:02 PM (NjVr8)
You want an e-pic of my wiener??
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at June 13, 2011 06:02 PM (kUaEF)
Gee, wonder why?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 13, 2011 06:03 PM (JBSEt)
Michelle Bachman is running for president.....woooo hooooo
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 06:05 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 06:05 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Ed Anger at June 13, 2011 06:05 PM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at June 13, 2011 06:05 PM (6IReR)
Ron Paul contrasts having served America to Romney's having NOT served America in the military, Ron Paul having served abroad in Asia Minor whereas Mitt Romney's foreign experience was being a Mormon missionary in France.
I don't want to go to Aspen, teh french are assholes.
Posted by: Dumb and Dumber at June 13, 2011 06:06 PM (4Cs89)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 13, 2011 06:06 PM (nufXD)
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2011 10:01 PM (afUO
Especially in Bachmann's case.
Posted by: Book Geek at June 13, 2011 06:06 PM (1+OO5)
Correct Answer to the 'Who, here, would you hire? ' question -
Newt.
I'd make him my Press Secretary and I'd never miss a Briefing. Not one.
Posted by: garrett at June 13, 2011 06:06 PM (IsbL6)
Posted by: Larry Dickman at June 13, 2011 06:07 PM (4t9J5)
The Highlight, birth right citizenship, but cut off before discussing Obama being an illegal alien.
Posted by: Ringo at June 13, 2011 06:07 PM (jXqGV)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 13, 2011 06:07 PM (sG+Bw)
LoL! Just finished watching this.
T-Paw freaking endorsed Sarah Palin for POTUS at the end! Whoa!
Bachmann, Santorum, Newt, Mitt, and Paul all had good nights. Bachmann had the best lines
Cain and T-Paw lacked oomph for most of it.
CNN - not the best forum for GOP debates - just sayin'.
Posted by: derised1 at June 13, 2011 06:08 PM (memxl)
I've seen some losers in the game of live before, but 393 takes the cake. Iraq is 60+ Shia. Iran is Shia. Since our invasion Iraq use to have the second biggest Christian population in the Middle East. Since our invasion and the removal of the Sunni Muslims, Christians have been fleeing the country to stay alive.
Turtles rape Pepsi bottles to audit the fed RP4EVAH
Posted by: William RRR at June 13, 2011 06:08 PM (5V4YB)
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 06:08 PM (CA2NO)
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 06:08 PM (CA2NO)
Kinda hard to elaborate on plans when there are 7 people and *supposedly* there is a 30 second time limit on answers.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at June 13, 2011 06:09 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Ringo at June 13, 2011 10:07 PM (jXqGV)
Why Johnny Ringo...you look like someone just walked over your grave.
Posted by: Doc Holliday at June 13, 2011 06:09 PM (IsbL6)
Posted by: toby928™ at June 13, 2011 06:10 PM (GTbGH)
---
He was aggressive. I didn't like it, actually, but that's how he got more time.
I assume lacey is not putting the same tinfoil hat on that Dickman is. The longer answers by Romney came off a bit rambling, like he was less prepared, not more prepared.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:10 PM (TFxd0)
#455
so whats your point? What is Ron Paul going to do when Iran walks into Iraq after we pull out?
Posted by: Ringo at June 13, 2011 06:11 PM (jXqGV)
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 06:11 PM (CA2NO)
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 06:11 PM (k5+eK)
T-Paw freaking endorsed Sarah Palin for POTUS at the end! Whoa!
Did you need the special glasses to see that?
Posted by: garrett at June 13, 2011 06:12 PM (IsbL6)
Posted by: Indian Outlaw at June 13, 2011 06:12 PM (ATMEl)
Posted by: CoolCzech at June 13, 2011 06:12 PM (kUaEF)
Kinda hard to elaborate on plans when there are 7 people and *supposedly* there is a 30 second time limit on answers.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at June 13, 2011 10:09 PM (c0A3e)
Not to mention having the moderator of the debate apparently beating off while you're answering.
*ungh* *ungh* *ungh*
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2011 06:12 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 10:11 PM (CA2NO)
I would have asked, "Is there a hole Luongo WON'T let a puck through?"
Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at June 13, 2011 06:12 PM (6IReR)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 06:12 PM (agD4m)
The candidate that left the debate in the best position. Mittens.
The candidate who gained the most from the debate. MB
The candidate who lost the most. Santorum.
Tpaw didn't get the presence boost he needed to be a legit threat to Mittens.
Cain, didn't get the nuts and bolts policy boost he needed to look President ready.
The candidate who left the debate in the worst position. Tpaw; He looks like Romney Light, all the same policies with 25% less persona than Romney original.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 13, 2011 06:13 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Captain Caveman at June 13, 2011 06:13 PM (zBmfQ)
the GOP needed to get in front of CNN audience and the GOP told all the hopefulls to keep it against Obama. This was about winning over the middle
Posted by: sophistahick at June 13, 2011 06:13 PM (dnbpw)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 06:14 PM (agD4m)
Know who is responsible for that tornado in Missouri?
The Fed. The Jooooos, and interventionist foreign policy!!!!
Posted by: Ron Paul at June 13, 2011 10:14 PM (WRW1S)
FIFY
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 13, 2011 06:15 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:16 PM (TFxd0)
The herd definitely needs to be culled, unfortunately, the earliest this will happen will probably be after New Hampshire.
My impressions:
Bachmann - big winner for me considering that I never really gave her much of a chance before. The most I had ever seen or heard of her was on friendly and seemingly scripted programs. Liked what I saw.
Pawlenty - feeling better about him.
Romney - same as Pawlenty. I enjoyed how he tried to defend Romneycare by claiming that Obama should have called him and he would have told Obama what not to do. Good effort but he should have repudiated this program two years ago.
Gingrich - generally good answers but still a knob. I give him no chance to win the nomination.
Cain - like the guy, but didn't do much for me tonight. If he wants to compete he needs to get a lot more polished, fast.
Santorum - no chance. Not sure why he's running except maybe to drag the field to the right or hope to gather enough of a bloc to influence the final outcome.
Paul - 'nuff said.
I actually feel better about the field tonight and think that if anyone else wants to get in *coughPerrycough* they'd better do it soon.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 13, 2011 06:17 PM (GEPoZ)
Posted by: Gary Johnson at June 13, 2011 06:17 PM (tqdDU)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 13, 2011 06:17 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: BSR at June 13, 2011 06:19 PM (/8AAE)
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2011 06:20 PM (MMC8r)
Bachman's going nowhere.
Hiring and then refusing to fire and repudiate Rollins killed any hopes she may have had.
Posted by: Dave at June 13, 2011 06:21 PM (HPcQF)
I didn't see where pawlenty endosed palin for VP but my cable went out. Can anyone tell me where he said this. If you are talking about the question on who made the best VP choice last election I think pawlenty was gracious and criticized biden not palin but I didn't view that as an endorsement of palin at all.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 06:21 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 13, 2011 10:17 PM (GEPoZ)
I agree w/ a lot of what you said. I went in a T-Paw guy, now I think I can see me getting won over by Bachmann, Romney, T-Paw, or Perry if he jumps in. I'm feeling better about 2012, of course the big fans of certain candidates will call me crazy and say we're doomed unless there candidate wins.
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:22 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: William R at June 13, 2011 10:17 PM (5V4YB)
When did we get our own Paulbot to pour hate on the riffs?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 13, 2011 06:22 PM (0q2P7)
You just can't help yourself, can you?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 06:23 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 13, 2011 06:24 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 10:23 PM (agD4m)
i'm refering to more then Palin supporters (Romneybots, etc)
sheesh get a life
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:24 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 13, 2011 06:25 PM (bxiXv)
Catholic Charities (an arm of the pro-life Catholic Church) is the LARGEST charity helping mothers and babies.
Foo on you. I am deciding you are a troll!
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 13, 2011 06:25 PM (Fo83G)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 06:26 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: BSR at June 13, 2011 06:26 PM (/8AAE)
I am so fucking over Democrats. They can all shut up now.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 13, 2011 06:27 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2011 06:27 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 06:28 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: BSR at June 13, 2011 10:26 PM (/8AAE)
I wouldn't say that's fair. but there's def. a fanbase that's Sarah before country. but i'd argue other candidates have those types too (look at Hugh Hewiit w/ Romney).
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 10:26 PM (agD4m)
it's a real worry of mine after what happen in 08 (low Rep turnout)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:28 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 13, 2011 06:29 PM (bxiXv)
let's stick to people who were at the debates
Bachmann impressed me tonight, and frankly so did Mitt. I'm still undecided.
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:30 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 06:30 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Ron Paul at June 13, 2011 06:30 PM (ltq3F)
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2011 06:30 PM (afUO8)
Palin won't get in if Perry does. And if Perry gets in the dynamics of the race change pretty quickly IMO. Not that I am a Perry fanboy, but he would enter with some serious street cred.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 13, 2011 06:30 PM (GEPoZ)
Posted by: BSR at June 13, 2011 06:30 PM (/8AAE)
Plus, of course, Ron Paul, representing the batshit crazy portion of the populace.
Posted by: Peaches at June 13, 2011 06:31 PM (afUO8)
Posted by: Indian Outlaw at June 13, 2011 06:31 PM (ATMEl)
Posted by: BSR at June 13, 2011 10:30 PM (/8AAE)
well there's the hillbuzz gay dudes too, and Tammy Bruce
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:31 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 06:32 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: BSR at June 13, 2011 06:33 PM (/8AAE)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 06:34 PM (ITYRW)
Posted by: BSR at June 13, 2011 10:33 PM (/8AAE)
Perry is dealing w/ his job, he'll prob wait and get it done until the Texas legislature takes a break.
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:35 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 06:35 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 10:34 PM (ITYRW)
I'd agree but I think Cain hurt himself tonight big time.
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:35 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 10:35 PM (k5+eK)
yeah cause that worked in 08/sarc
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:36 PM (UzBwz)
Unfortunately, judging debate performances is more about style than substance.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 06:37 PM (ITYRW)
"John, one more outburst and I will strangle you with my microphone wire. You understand me?"
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 13, 2011 06:37 PM (GEPoZ)
Bachmann was the big winner.
I think Santorum turned in a credible performance. He well-represents my beliefs, just like Michele and Herman, who I think turned in good performances, too.
Cain's problem for this debate was the bar he set in the first one. The people who didn't watch the debate in SC... they are impressed with his performance tonight.
I like Michele, Herman and Rick, in that order.
Posted by: knob at June 13, 2011 06:38 PM (V3a1n)
Posted by: Ron Paul at June 13, 2011 06:38 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Ronster at June 13, 2011 06:38 PM (ZgcMU)
He did. Last debate he played at a higher level but was sub-par in this one. Bachmann will need to avoid making this mistake next debate.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 06:40 PM (ITYRW)
Posted by: BSR at June 13, 2011 06:40 PM (/8AAE)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:41 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: jeffersonianideal at June 13, 2011 06:42 PM (k5+eK)
Posted by: nickless at June 13, 2011 06:42 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2011 06:43 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: BSR at June 13, 2011 10:40 PM (/8AAE)
he called a special session because the Dems are playing hard ball w/ him
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:44 PM (UzBwz)
#555
Not sure about that. Someone mentioned that because Romney is apparently very popular in N.H. the others were holding back.
Posted by: Dave at June 13, 2011 06:45 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: Ron Paul at June 13, 2011 06:45 PM (qdI7N)
I'd love to vote for the pro-life War Hero, Ron Paul, but I'm more concerned about the economy right now.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:47 PM (TFxd0)
"I'll keep my answers to thirty seconds when you can keep your questions to less than a minute and a half."
Posted by: Al at June 13, 2011 06:50 PM (MzQOZ)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 06:50 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 10:50 PM (agD4m)
other then Obama sucking...no. I did a guest post there once to give FL ground report. they're cool for converting to conservatism but they have whacky and kooky ideas and conspiracy theories on politics. nothing insightful.
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:52 PM (UzBwz)
That CNN can't fill an audience with intelligent people. Just sayin'.
Posted by: momma at June 13, 2011 06:53 PM (nWikJ)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2011 06:54 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 13, 2011 06:54 PM (mHQ7T)
WTF?!
That is how we win.
We attack Obama. Over and over again.
Posted by: momma at June 13, 2011 06:55 PM (nWikJ)
Letters of Marque and Reprisal FTW.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 06:56 PM (agD4m)
#570
Yeah, you're probably right about the abortion issue. I guess I'm trying to figure out why Pawlenty seemed so cautious in going after Romneycare--introducing himself to N.H. voters where Mitt is popular?
Posted by: Dave at June 13, 2011 06:56 PM (HPcQF)
He won a lot bigger than that. Every other candidate was given multiple chances to attack him on his healthcare plan and abortion. King flat out asked every other candidate if Romney's pro-abortion position was a non-issue and everyone of them agreed.
Those issues are now pretty much off the table for everyone who is not a conservative blogger. That is huge.
The knives will come out in later debates. This early one was in Romney's stronghold, and most of the candidates are still in the getting to know you phase.
I doubt they'll go after him on the abortion flip given the amount of time that has passed since, but by no means is he going to get a pass on Romneycare in future debates.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2011 06:57 PM (WRW1S)
They refused to attack each other because when the general election roles around, BO plans on making commercials of our side attacking our candidate.
He has nothing else to run on.
Well, that and 'Republicans hate white people and granny!'
Posted by: momma at June 13, 2011 06:57 PM (nWikJ)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 13, 2011 10:54 PM (mHQ7T)
T-Paw coming off a pussy really turned me off as a possible T-Paw voter, still waiting for Perry to decide
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 06:57 PM (UzBwz)
In any event, perhaps Perry won't be so forgiving of Mitt's flipflopping.
I am really hoping he throws his hat in after the debate tonight.
Posted by: Dave at June 13, 2011 06:57 PM (HPcQF)
He could but I don't think that was going to be much of an issue to begin with. When close to 10% (official numbers) are out of work and things are getting worse, abortion isn't going to be much of an issue.
Hell, Pawlenty was given the chance to attack Romney on his Obamney care hit the other day and he folded like a cheap suit.
Agreed. That was super-weak.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 13, 2011 06:59 PM (GEPoZ)
Posted by: Shoey at June 13, 2011 07:00 PM (m6OUa)
He could but I don't think that was going to be much of an issue to begin with. When close to 10% (official numbers) are out of work and things are getting worse, abortion isn't going to be much of an issue.
Hell, Pawlenty was given the chance to attack Romney on his Obamney care hit the other day and he folded like a cheap suit.
Agreed. That was super-weak.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 13, 2011 10:59 PM (GEPoZ)
that's Pawlenty
Posted by: Shoey at June 13, 2011 07:02 PM (m6OUa)
That was an excellent answer he gave and I wish the rest of them would give similar answers to BS questions.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 13, 2011 07:02 PM (GEPoZ)
Posted by: Steph at June 13, 2011 07:04 PM (AkdC5)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 07:05 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at June 13, 2011 07:06 PM (nufXD)
That was an excellent answer he gave and I wish the rest of them would give similar answers to BS questions.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 13, 2011 11:02 PM (GEPoZ)
yep, just refuse to answer and say why, makes the question poser end up looking foolish.
Posted by: Shoey at June 13, 2011 07:07 PM (m6OUa)
I'm guessing that he's thinking that the fact that people will be talking about the Sunday morning comment gets him enough traction w/o going into full attack mode, but now how the hell is he supposed to bring it back up again now? If he does it anywhere else but a debate, he looks weaselly.
Other than that question, he did pretty well, but that was by far the biggest moment for him. Most everyone did fine, at least relative to what my expectations were for them, but this is a spot where the "You know who this helps?" cliche works quite well. Well, Bachman stood out - she's showing she isn't the MSNBC caricature she's made out to be, which isn't all that surprising.
Posted by: Dave S. at June 13, 2011 07:07 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2011 07:08 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Indian Outlaw at June 13, 2011 07:10 PM (ATMEl)
Posted by: Damiano at June 13, 2011 07:12 PM (3nrx7)
He should have stood up for himself, he backed down. I feel like he was a coward. He said, now when the guy is with him on the stage, he pretends that's not what he meant? So will he behave like that as president? The last thing we need in this economy is someone who when faced head on with a challenger backs down.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 07:14 PM (k1rwm)
Bachmann will win Iowa, she'll be in the catbird seat and no one will be able to overcome her from that point on... that's how it's gonna play.
Posted by: Shoey at June 13, 2011 07:14 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Tim Pawlenty on Every Question at June 13, 2011 07:15 PM (3nrx7)
Pawlenty is now on the record in a major debate of not only not attacking Romney but backing off his prior criticism. Anything he does now to attack Romney will look like cheap politics.
If Romney is going to get a serious challenge it will be from someone who wasn't on the stage tonight.
That he turned down the opportunity to go after Romney today doesn't preclude him from doing so later. Note he didn't defend Romney or Romneycare, but (admittedly poorly) dodged the question instead.
Nobody really went after Romney, and there's a reason for that- but it won't last. Whomever ends up being at or near the top of the not-Romney contingent will be much less timid about taking shots at him once they themselves have become more established.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2011 07:19 PM (WRW1S)
truth be told, it was boring but I guess better than the brawls when mccain won the nomination. At least they didn't tear each other apart, it looked more like a concerted effort which might cause a little bit of agita for the ax tonight.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 07:21 PM (k1rwm)
Rollins will help her run a good campaign but this is more about elevating her national profile than winning. GOP primary voters prefer governors and positive executive experience contrasts well with Obama. Bachmann will also eventually have problems with hiding her temperament and ambitious nature. She's not the character the MFM makes her out to be, but she's not as savvy at hiding her weaknesses.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 07:23 PM (ITYRW)
King was looking for conflict, and you do want to be careful with how you handle these things, but you can't say something like that on Sunday morning and then take the pitch Monday night.
Posted by: Dave S. at June 13, 2011 07:23 PM (UvR6d)
Are you fucking kidding me?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 07:28 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 11:23 PM (ITYRW)
You make her sound like an unstable wicked witch of the west. She held her own with the guys. Some would say that she owned the night. What she has going for her are her committee seats and the fact that she knows what is going on with the economy. I sometimes feel that the guys up there don't really know cause they haven't been following it like she has. So in that instance, a sitting member of congress has the advantage.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 07:29 PM (k1rwm)
Rollins will help her run a good campaign but this is more about elevating her national profile than winning. GOP primary voters prefer governors and positive executive experience contrasts well with Obama. Bachmann will also eventually have problems with hiding her temperament and ambitious nature. She's not the character the MFM makes her out to be, but she's not as savvy at hiding her weaknesses.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 11:23 PM (ITYRW)
guess I look at it from different perspective, when average folks see more of her, they are going to like her.
forgive my totally irrational reliance on a hunch, but barring a major disaster I really think she is going to win.
Posted by: Shoey at June 13, 2011 07:30 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 07:31 PM (agD4m)
I sort of feel like the country doesn't want any more texans for now and no more dynasties. I think cain, even if a lot of you dislike him, has the advantage of not being a politician.
but then again, I'd register republican and be out there running a campaign office for rudy if he'd run so you might disagree with me.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 07:32 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2011 07:34 PM (TMB3S)
cause texas is bush's home state, you don't think he was forewarned.
Again, are you fucking kidding me?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 07:35 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 07:37 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 11:35 PM (agD4m)
maybe you ought to clarify your question. I try not to use that word so I ignored that part.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 07:38 PM (k1rwm)
Now, back to your assertion that Texas creating all those jobs is largely irrelevant, since Bush warned his fellow Texan in advance about the financial crisis.
Explain.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 07:42 PM (agD4m)
Unlike your wild and conspiratorial ideas about Rick Perry, I have read about Bachmann and studied her career. Your don't have to be a sitting member of Congress to understand the threat we face from the debt, and other potential candidates have proved that. Furthermore, Bachmann has demonstrated that she is sometimes a loose canon and can be ambitious. Note that I used the proper modifiers in both my last comment and this one.
Her gender also shouldn't play a role here. If you're going to run for president, you should be judged by the same standards whether you're a man or a woman. I'm not a fan of "girl power" and I will vote for the best candidate as I see fit, be they man or woman.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 07:42 PM (ITYRW)
I didn't use that word in the part where I quoted you, did I?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 07:43 PM (agD4m)
I'm not even the Romney supporter I was last cycle but the competition this cycle, particularly from the supposed tough challenger Pawlenty, is pretty weak. As I said earlier, if Romney has a serious challenger, they weren't on the stage tonight. Time is getting short, better hurry.
Nah- there's plenty of time yet. If this were September, then yes, it would be far worse.
Pawlenty looked a bit weak with that one highly anticipated question, but it wasn't a campaign killer. He should've made the point that his state chose a different direction and left it at.
And nobody was the Romney supporter you were last cycle :p
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2011 07:45 PM (WRW1S)
I think since bush was a governor of texas that he probably governed in the same style as president. Now, as I look back, I see there were a lot of things bush said in speeches that, had we the American people really listened to him, this crisis would have been somewhat mitigated, like when he said we don't save enough and he wanted to deal with retirement and he wanted to fix healthcare but not the way the dems think they fixed it. If perry knows bush you could observe and see and figure out that you want your state to be solid. Maybe forewarned was not the right word cause I see you thought I meant that he was given some preference that some other state governor didn't get. No, that's not what I meant. I'm trying to think of another word and I can't. If he did read the tea leaves and posiition his state to be fiscally sound and job creating that is a positive for him but, I don't like the vaccine thing and I really don't like the illegal alien tuition thing. I'm sure he has to do this cause the state has a lot of powerful illegal aliens but it doesn't sit well with the rest of the country who would like to see sealed boarders and legal immigration up held.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 07:47 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2011 07:47 PM (TMB3S)
Your boy looked good tonight.
I don't want to see him win this but you can't beat something with nothing and tonight they had nothing for him.
Not sure if it was the format or what but he was calm, in control, above it all and no one tried to take him down.
People will say it's early and it is but not as early as it seems.
Pawlenty punked out tonight. He didn't have the balls to take a shot at Romeny with the guy standing right there. That's gutless and who is to say he won't take a pass on hitting Obama if he gets the chance?
I know a lot of people think Perry is the man with the medicine for Mitt but not a lot of people know him now. He's just going to be another guy for awhile. Maybe he'll at least have the balls to take on Mitt.
Right now Team Romney's has to be liking their position.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 13, 2011 07:49 PM (ehlWj)
Please. I was a piker compared to you're Fred! support. That was commitment.
How's he doing with the whole reverse mortgage thing anyway?
You're being modest.
I like to think of it as a free market, private enterprise solution to entitlement reform. Teh Fred wouldn't have put up with John King's crap... provided he had a nap first.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2011 07:51 PM (WRW1S)
I don't have "wild and conspiratorial" ideas about rick perry at all. I don't like him, he give me the creeps and sorry the rest of the country may feel that they do not want to elect another texas governor as president.
Bachman is solid. Her career is perfect. She is not a loose canon, if she were a guy no one would say a word when she gets strident but since she's a woman you call her a loose canon....you may not vote for her cause she is a woman but a lot of democratic women will quietly pull the lever for a woman and then say they voted for BO.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 07:52 PM (k1rwm)
Google has this article at the LATimes titled:
Obama seeks ways around Congress to boost economy
Yet when you click the link, the article is titled:
Obama turns to modest measures on economy
Wonder if Google was wrong, or if the WH didn't like the title/stuff in the article.
Posted by: momma at June 13, 2011 07:52 PM (nWikJ)
Nope. Google had it correct. It was called
Obama seeks ways around Congress to boost economy
Funny thing. It is the exact same article (at least at the beginning) yet there is no mention of an edit, update, etc.
Posted by: momma at June 13, 2011 07:55 PM (nWikJ)
forgive my totally irrational reliance on a hunch, but barring a major disaster I really think she is going to win.
I like certain things about Bachmann, but I do have reservations about her. She is largely a principled conservative who's also done some amazing things in her life. However, some of her recent actions-- like who she's hired to work on her campaign, trying to upstage people, her hedging on certain issues-- make me wonder. Allowing Rollins to attack Palin like that was a mistake, though it was purposeful. Then there is the hedging issue, such as when she voted for two budget bills which embraced premium support but then spoke publicly about her concern that they cut benefits. Another example-- she also changed her mind about the debt deal in a span of only hours, and this after she had been one of the people to push for it.
The other thing going against her is that, while House members would likely make better presidents than senators, they rarely get elected. GOP primary voters prefer experienced executives and it will be difficult to compete against so many governors. Bachmann has to prove that she's different and has the experience to be president. She possesses knowledge in both the realms of domestic and foreign policy and has held/holds some important seats, but is it enough? It hasn't been in the past but maybe next year is different.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 07:56 PM (ITYRW)
Mitt is the ham sandwich we've been waiting for.
So very late to this thread, but, damn, that made me laugh.
Posted by: TiredWench at June 13, 2011 07:57 PM (oPceJ)
Bachman is solid. Her career is perfect. She is not a loose canon, if she were a guy no one would say a word when she gets strident but since she's a woman you call her a loose canon....you may not vote for her cause she is a woman but a lot of democratic women will quietly pull the lever for a woman and then say they voted for BO.
Fucking hell- drop the shallow sexism bullshit.
Bachmann has two problems, neither of which have anything to do with her vagina-
1. She's only a House Representative. Lincoln was the only President to be elected President from the House.
2. She's far too familiar with the taste of her own foot. She didn't display it tonight, but she has an almost certainly will again.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2011 07:57 PM (WRW1S)
Not that it takes Nostradamus to predict more jobs in a state with low taxes, a relatively low regulatory burden, and an odd reluctance to let every envirofucktard group have a say in the exploitation of its natural resources.
In other words, a state not very much like New York.
Exit Question: If your choices are Perry or Obama, whom do you choose?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 07:59 PM (agD4m)
Bachmann can either lead, or she cannot. She can either convince people to vote for her, or she cannot. The fact that she has a vagina is irrelevant.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 08:02 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 08:03 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 11:59 PM (agD4m)
I vote for every box but president. Hey but a lot of people won't go at all, at least I'm going to vote.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 08:05 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2011 08:05 PM (TMB3S)
I like certain things about Bachmann, but I do have reservations about her. She is largely a principled conservative who's also done some amazing things in her life. However, some of her recent actions-- like who she's hired to work on her campaign, trying to upstage people, her hedging on certain issues-- make me wonder. Allowing Rollins to attack Palin like that was a mistake, though it was purposeful. Then there is the hedging issue, such as when she voted for two budget bills which embraced premium support but then spoke publicly about her concern that they cut benefits. Another example-- she also changed her mind about the debt deal in a span of only hours, and this after she had been one of the people to push for it.
The other thing going against her is that, while House members would likely make better presidents than senators, they rarely get elected. GOP primary voters prefer experienced executives and it will be difficult to compete against so many governors. Bachmann has to prove that she's different and has the experience to be president. She possesses knowledge in both the realms of domestic and foreign policy and has held/holds some important seats, but is it enough? It hasn't been in the past but maybe next year is different.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 11:56 PM (ITYRW)
political experience is becoming less and less important to the voters, if there was ever a year for a Rep. to win the WH this is it.
if it's her or Romney, i'll take Bachmann in the blink of an eye ( I don't consider Pawlenty a serious canidate)
Posted by: Shoey at June 13, 2011 08:06 PM (m6OUa)
Bachman is solid. Her career is perfect. She is not a loose canon, if she were a guy no one would say a word when she gets strident but since she's a woman you call her a loose canon....you may not vote for her cause she is a woman but a lot of democratic women will quietly pull the lever for a woman and then say they voted for BO.
Last month, you didn't know the difference between Bill White and Rick Perry, yet now you supposedly know enough to say he's a creep. You're also trying to claim that Bush warned Perry instead of crediting our sound economic policies for the fact that we have created so many jobs.
As for Bachmann, I appreciate many of the things she has done in her career and respect her many sacrifices outside of it. However, saying she's perfect is a stretch, as she has flaws like any politician. The idea that somehow she wouldn't be called a loose canon if she was a man is ludicrous, as we've seen some of her male colleagues be called loose canons. As for other women voting for her due to gender, I do not respect an insistence to vote for someone as a type of affirmative action. You vote for the substance and what the individual brings to the table, period.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 08:08 PM (ITYRW)
Posted by: Shoey at June 13, 2011 08:08 PM (m6OUa)
political experience is becoming less and less important to the voters, if there was ever a year for a Rep. to win the WH this is it.
Depends on which voters you are talking about. For the ones regretting drinking the Hope & Change Koolaid, I suspect political experience might indeed be a factor.
And the problem with those without political experience is that they tend to look like stumblefucks when they are up against career politicians in these cattle calls we call debates.
Exhibit A: Herman Cain
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 08:10 PM (agD4m)
I think voters are going to have to wrestle with that question and whether this experiment with Obama means no more members of the legislative. So I'll be interested to see that.
if it's her or Romney, i'll take Bachmann in the blink of an eye ( I don't consider Pawlenty a serious canidate)
If it's just between those two, I prefer her over Romney. Mitt is a good politician who looks presidential, but it's hard to tell where he'll stand on an issue at the end of the day.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 08:12 PM (ITYRW)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 08:12 PM (agD4m)
could you please read my explanations before you come at me like a rabid dog.
maybe when asked to do some reading I have done that reading? Maybe I don't like what I see. Santorum, cain and bachman sound genuine. the rest sound like well positioned politicians who think they are doing the other three a favor just by getting on the stage with them cause in their small minds, one of them will be the nominee cause of their connections and money raising ability. don't look now but the American people aren't interested in another john mccain. They want a genuine person, with the courage of their convictions, who knows the economy, can create jobs and will have a foreign policy. So far they are annoyed because the republicans are giving them more of the same. Watch how the tea party puts up a presidential candidate if the republicans put up a mitt or a newt or another politician whose turn it is.
I'm not going to argue with you. I'm an independent cause I dislike the dems and the republicans. But really start listening when you go to target the next time. people are willing to talk about this as they wait in the long line cause only one register is open and they aren't impressed, not even with palin.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 08:13 PM (k1rwm)
if Bachmann can do as well as tonight in other debates, it'll be a race between her and Romney and Romney will lose that race.
the road to the WH is open to her, if she can do it.
Posted by: Shoey at June 13, 2011 08:15 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 14, 2011 12:08 AM (ITYRW)
ok so you have decreed that this is how woman have to vote and everyone is going to listen to you. they are not. These are the people who voted for "the first black president" and you don't think they'd be quietly voting for "the first woman president". Maybe you don't approach things this way but in our twitter society, people will devote maybe a day or so to who they think they should vote for and then cast their vote. The person who understands this, who can control their message in the social media, will be the president.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 08:18 PM (k1rwm)
RONPAUL!
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 08:19 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 08:21 PM (k1rwm)
Ed Rollins does not do strategy. Ed Rollins is not into your fancypants clever moves. Ed Rollins says what he thinks. Because that is just how Ed Rollins rolls. He is Ed Rollins.
Posted by: Ed Rollins at June 13, 2011 08:24 PM (agD4m)
Then why didn't you outright say so instead of repeating conspiratorial BS about Perry? If you don't like him, then give me actual reasons instead of something you read on Zero Hedge about Perry receiving special warnings. Also, pointing-out the facts isn't attacking you like a rabid dog.
...I'm an independent cause I dislike the dems and the republicans. But really start listening when you go to target the next time. people are willing to talk about this as they wait in the long line cause only one register is open and they aren't impressed, not even with palin.
Some people say they want a conviction politician to tell them the truth about this country but they really don't. They want politicians to cut spending as long as it doesn't affect them, they realize Medicare needs to be changed but they don't want changes to their benefits, they want decency from their politicians but they won't vote them out for scandal. So what I'm seeing from a large group of Americans is cognitive dissonance.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 08:25 PM (ITYRW)
Ed Rollins does not do strategy. Ed Rollins is not into your fancypants clever moves. Ed Rollins says what he thinks. Because that is just how Ed Rollins rolls. He is Ed Rollins.
Posted by: Ed Rollins at June 14, 2011 12:24 AM (agD4m)
i think you have him confused with the ex-metalhead/IFC channel host
Posted by: Shoey at June 13, 2011 08:27 PM (m6OUa)
(others may consider Pawlenty a serious canidate, but i don't)
Whatever you think of his chances, there's no question that he's a "serious" candidate. He's not pulling a Newt- in it to sell books and speeches or setting himself up for VP. He's been putting in a lot of work and has been planning a run for at least two years.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2011 08:29 PM (WRW1S)
Doesn't it strike you as pathetic, racist, and/or sexist that people are voting for someone based on the color of their skin and/or their body parts?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 13, 2011 08:34 PM (ITYRW)
I had no idea there was conspiratorial BS about Rick Perry on Zero Hedge. Went over there today for one article and really had no time to read the site.
the guy gives me the creeps and I really won't vote for him. If he's the republican candidate in the end, then I will not vote for president.
I see problems down the road of people not having their candidate be the nominee and then just not voting. Not saying this is right but it has happened before.
As far as people wanting cuts but not cuts to their stuff that is the fault of leadership. would they rather it all cave in around them, then no one gets anything. someone is going to have to break this to the American people and not just glenn beck or hannity or rush or any other conservative pundit.
Zero Hedge is one of many financial sites it's not the be all end all. (not meaning you in particular but a general you) You need to look at the markets, look at a lot of other indicators, see the numbers coming out, look at the beige book, and then try and see how they are playing this 6 dimensional game of chess. and even then, when all is said and done, I think we don't have all the information.
Sure people have political experience, people have financial experience but they have that experience in good times. Sure, romney did the olympics thing and the bain capitol thing but even that kind of experience may not be enough.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 08:40 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2011 08:41 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 14, 2011 12:34 AM (ITYRW)
oh absolutely, it's maddening to a person who takes their voting decision seriously. But, sometimes this is the way it is and people have to be educated to come around to a point of view that would be best for the country.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 08:43 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2011 08:45 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 14, 2011 12:25 AM (ITYRW)
looking at polling data and reading the papers would logically bring one to that conclusion.
it's the behavior of an addict that's why it's irrational, the old folks know in their hearts that this can't go on, that they are truly spending their grandchildren into the poorhouse but they can't stop, they can't say "it ends here with me" they are too afraid, too conditioned to the progressive hype, they tell themselves " I paid in, it's my money" but they never add up what exactly they put in and compare it to what they have taken out, they don't want to know how upside down that equasion is.
and so you will hear nonsensical and totally contradictory statements like "The Government is too big! but leave my S.S. check alone!"
they can't stop, addicts don't stop until every avenue of aquiring their drug of choice is exhausted.
that's why the DOOM!™
Posted by: Shoey at June 13, 2011 08:46 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 08:48 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Bob Dole at June 13, 2011 08:51 PM (EPX0e)
Posted by: buzzion at June 14, 2011 12:45 AM (oVQFe)
not really. I think palin ought to be discussing that if she thinks it might affect a potential candidacy. The libs/dems are having a wonderful whispering campaign about it. Business Insider is just bringing it out in the open.
FTR I don't doubt for one minute that this is her son. I think a lot of people feel that way. But, we have seen how the MSM can lay low and attack on the issues you don't expect so it is almost as though any candidate has to get out in front of anything real or otherwise to neuter them.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 08:52 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Ed Rollins at June 13, 2011 08:59 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: sartana at June 13, 2011 09:00 PM (/IW23)
On one hand you want serious politicians with convictions and stuff. On the other you think Palin ought to address the Trig Truthers because the people who will never vote for her in a million years are "whispering"about it.
Square that circle.
Posted by: Ed Rollins at June 13, 2011 09:03 PM (agD4m)
I didn't watch- were those the rules? If so, then they're all losers for even showing up for such a farce.
Posted by: sartana at June 13, 2011 09:04 PM (/IW23)
If you believe him on the Fukushima accident, half of Japan should be dead, and the rest writhing in pain dying from radiation.
As for the rest of the site, it's are half wrong, half right --- just like all financial sites. But the trick is, try picking out the wrong from the right.
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at June 13, 2011 09:08 PM (FVhEi)
Posted by: Dave S. at June 13, 2011 09:09 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 09:16 PM (agD4m)
You want younger people in the republican party right? Well then the world has evolved into reality tv. People love gossip and stuff like that. Look at weiner. He's still got his seat and his constituents are saying they'd vote for him again. You can be a serious candidate and still address the rumor and innuendo about you, better to do that than let it go and have people believe it. I guess I'm not explaining my point correctly cause to me it is very clear but I'm obviously not getting it across to you guys. I mean sure, you guys are old so you are going to pick your candidate using strategy and going over their record and what they say with a fine toothed comb. The younger generation put their toe in the water and it nearly got bitten off by a shark. They may not vote at all this time around or they will be wholly back in the fold. Haven't found any "middle of the road" types. the republican candidate has to coax those "probably won't vote at all" types to vote. She didn't go after catty and look how that turned out. She smiled when tina misrepresented her, look how that turned out. so now, having learned from those two incidents, she's going to ignore this?
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 09:18 PM (k1rwm)
here's my opinion of the debate as far as them trying to get my vote for nom:
1. Romney - won debate in my opinion by a nose and impressed me
2. Bachmann - she REALLY suprised me and I hope she gets better
3. Gingrich - Was suprised w/ how on point he was
4. T-Paw - came out really wussy and too nice to me after being my #1
5. Santorum - looked confused and uncomfortable
6. Cain - empty rhetoric, no details
7. Paul - need I say more?
of course there's Huntsman and Johnson, and of course the man who would jump to #1 for me automatically, Rick Perry.
right now If forced to pick b/w these 7, i'd be stuck on either Romney or Bachmann and I might be leaning Bachmann.
basically, i'm still undecided and my vote can change.
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 09:22 PM (UzBwz)
In that case, they're all schmucks then. Except for Cain- he's a Schwartz. And a bit of a schlmiel.
Posted by: sartana at June 13, 2011 09:22 PM (/IW23)
Posted by: sartana at June 13, 2011 09:23 PM (/IW23)
No, I'm not even close to letting you off the hook on how spectacularly wrong you Fred! drones who hacked on anyone who wasn't a Fred! were last election. You were the Palinistas before Palin decided to stop being the moderate governor she was and morphed into the far right attack dog she has become.
It wasn't just the arrogance of how spectacularly wrong you guys were while calling the rest of us stupid and never admitting how wrong you were.. actually, it is.
How's my ass taste?
Wow, you are a vindictive little bitch tonight, aren't you?
And just exactly who else have I (or any other constitutional conservative) supported in 2008? Mitt "I'm a walking focus group" Romney, who couldn't decide who he was from day to day depending on what state he happened to be in? The guy who went from moderate Republican governor to uber-conservative fiscal warrior in the space of a millisecond, despite supporting ag subsidies (in IA), auto bailouts (in MI), and increased SS benefits without explaining how to pay for them (in FL of course)?
Mike "God told me to be a populist" Huckabee?
John (no explanation needed) McCain?
Go back and read my criticisms of Romney. Know what? They're the same fucking criticisms that most Republicans still have about him today. Hell, go back and read what I had to say about Mitt before I even knew that Fred Thompson was anything other than an actor.
And don't dare try to downplay how deep up Mitt's ass you and the rest of the Romneybots were. Which other candidate did you not hack on?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 13, 2011 09:27 PM (WRW1S)
The problem is you are not even sure what you want. Even a cursory scan of several of your posts in row tells me that much.
And spare us the condescending "you guys are old" crap. The thing about being "old" is that this election is not your first rodeo. Being "old" also mean one knows that the 'youth vote" is mostly a wet fart. Being "old" means knowing the GOP gets the youths when they actually grow up and start paying taxes. If we wanted to pander to urban hipster douchebags, we'd be Democrats.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 09:29 PM (agD4m)
It's like we're going from the The Twilight Zone to The Outer Limits.
Posted by: sartana at June 13, 2011 09:30 PM (/IW23)
Are you sure of who you want?
That may be true but if they all go to the dems and the dems get the "wet fart" to vote again, then BO wins again. So, at some point, the republicans are going to have to go after that vote.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 09:31 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: sartana at June 13, 2011 09:32 PM (/IW23)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 14, 2011 01:29 AM (agD4m)
22 here and I know the youth vote is pointless.
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 09:32 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: sartana at June 14, 2011 01:32 AM (/IW23)
ok, just needed clarification because some folks are all in w/ one candidate and pushing them hard. I agree people are more concerned w/ who to beat Obama w/. he's scared the GOP voters so bad even base voters are pondering just going w/ Romney. Perry or someone else could change that. All I know is we still have awhile until Iowa.
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 09:34 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: curious at June 14, 2011 01:31 AM (k1rwm)
you seriously think the young vote matters?
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 09:35 PM (UzBwz)
sorry, but going after the youth vote means losing the middle-aged and senior vote...and they are the people who actually vote most of the time.
As you are still in your glorious youth, you can perhaps be excused for not noticing that Republican presidential candidates do not lose because they fail to win over the youth vote. That vote ALWAYS goes Democrat. ALWAYS.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 09:36 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: curious at June 14, 2011 01:31 AM (k1rwm)
you seriously think the young vote matters?
Posted by: YRM at June 14, 2011 01:35 AM (UzBwz)
Ok, I guess you are going to tell me it doesn't just like everyone tells me my vote in ny doesn't count. Everyone has their opinion I guess.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 09:37 PM (k1rwm)
That may be true but if they all go to the dems and the dems get the "wet fart" to vote again, then BO wins again. So, at some point, the republicans are going to have to go after that vote.
Posted by: curious at June 14, 2011 01:31 AM (k1rwm)
I don't think the "wet fart" voted in terribly high numbers anyways. But next year will definitely be the year I'm sure. For being someone to claim you're so young, why are you living in an idea that has been wrong since the 70's.
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2011 09:37 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 14, 2011 01:36 AM (agD4m)
actually the GOP has won the youth vote...in epic landslides of incumbent GOP and even then it's close. in 00 Bush lost them by 2 points, that's the best we've done since.
the vote to go for is the 35+ vote, the 35-50 demographic tends to side w/ the winner and the seniors vote in large numbers and lately have become solid GOP.
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 09:38 PM (UzBwz)
What are you talking about? I see all the stuff on fb and twitter and all the emails going out to the young. They are very very well coordinated already.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 09:39 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2011 09:39 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: curious at June 14, 2011 01:37 AM (k1rwm)
it doesn't matter and no your New York vote counts, but it won't side with the winner. Obam won almost 70% of the youth vote in 08 and I was among the 30% that voted for Mac. I knew I was in the minority, my vote mattered because we had a shot to keep FL. as far as mattering for the overall youth vote, no it didn't matter. the youth could go 100% Dem and the GOP could still win. and I gurantee you Obama will lose young voters compared to 08, but still win them.
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 09:40 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 09:42 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2011 09:43 PM (oVQFe)
In a society where a significant percentage of the 29-and-under crowd are still an adolescents, I don't see how any conservative candidate wastes any time pandering to that cohort.
The grown-ups in that group will respond to the serious candidate with serious policies you sometimes say you want. The adolescents will vote Democrat until they grow up.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 09:43 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: buzzion at June 14, 2011 01:43 AM (oVQFe)
exactly and as data shows a good number of those young idiots voting for the Dems grow up and find themselves backing the GOP when real life hits them.
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 09:44 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 09:47 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 09:49 PM (UzBwz)
Gee look here. A site that has a graph for various youth votes. And there really isn't any difference in percentage between 2004 and 2008.
Pesky Pesky facts. They always get in the way.
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2011 09:58 PM (oVQFe)
The History Of The Youth Vote
Numbers Dont Lie
We'll Start With 1972 When 18-20 Years Old Started Voting For Prez
1972- Nixon 52% McGovern 46% (R+6)
1976 - Carter 51% Ford 47% (D+4)
1980 - Carter 44% Reagan 43% Anderson 11% (D+1)
1984 - Reagan 59% Mondale 40% (R+19)
1988 - Bush 52% Dukakis 47% (R+5)
1992 - Clinton 43% Bush 34% Perot 22% (D+9)
1996 - Clinton 53% Bush 34% Perot 10% (D+19)
2000 - Gore 48% Dubya 46% (D+2)
2004 - Kerry 54% Dubya 45% (D+9)
2008 - Obama 66% Mac 32% (D+34)
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 10:01 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: cats.understand.really.inane.useless.syllogisms at June 13, 2011 10:01 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: buzzion at June 14, 2011 01:58 AM (oVQFe)
62% approved of Obama on a day he was polling in the mid 40s? yeah, fuck em
Posted by: YRM at June 13, 2011 10:02 PM (UzBwz)
Posted by: cats.understand.really.inane.obviously.useless.syllogisms at June 13, 2011 10:07 PM (agD4m)
Building a Republican campaign catering to Meghan McCain's demographic is electoral suicide.
Posted by: sifty at June 13, 2011 10:11 PM (2dbd9)
Posted by: Tom In Korea at June 13, 2011 10:16 PM (jThmd)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 10:21 PM (agD4m)
oh and when I said you are old I didn't mean it in a negative way I meant it in a factual way to differentiate from the way someone younger might think. Wasn't meaning to insult anyone and, if I did, please accept my apology.
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 10:21 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 10:23 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 10:28 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 14, 2011 02:28 AM (agD4m)
hahahhahahahh
nite
Posted by: curious at June 13, 2011 10:32 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 10:34 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: buzzion at June 13, 2011 10:42 PM (oVQFe)
Yes I hear you and it was not in any way meant to be an insult it was meant to say there is a big difference between these old and these young. I know a lot of people on here are big into technology, have been from the beginning. I've read amazing things about the internet when people have seen fit to educate me a bit on things they were actually part of and it is really really impressive. I guess I'm seeing the "old political models" start to break down and I'm thinking since everyone's vote counts then it would be good to go after the youth vote, to grow your party and not watch them think the only choice is the dems or the tea party. I mean I just heard Glen Beck articulate what I was feeling last night. He said his wife came in and said "oh no, not this again" and that is exactly it, you could have plugged that debate into 2008 and not skipped a beat. Yet the changes in the country have been profound. the way everything is moving so fast, the candidates may not have all that much real time in front of the cameras to make their case and grab your interest. If the debate is a total snoozefest you aren't grabbing anyone, including other republicans. the president is out there campaigning. Looks like he's adopting the "hat in hand" style of campaigning. I mean drudge is saying that his family is fine with one term.
Posted by: curious at June 14, 2011 06:08 AM (k1rwm)
Have Ron Paul and Ian McKellen ever been seen together at the same time?
Separated at birth, maybe?
Posted by: Inquiring Mind Wants To Know at June 14, 2011 06:45 AM (mvdL1)
Rick Perry gives me the creeps too. He's an empty suit, in my opinion, and I happen to know that he is way into cronyism.
Also, his record on immigration is weak, at best, which should tell you something, considering he had an immigration hawk legislature and electorate to work with. There is no reason that Arizona should be so far ahead of Texas on the immigration problem.
And has has the Bush taint of being the Texas Gov. and he's done some deep red state posturing that won't play well AT ALL in Ohio or other places. He can plausibly be cast as hinting at secession for instance.
That said, under his watch Texas created 40% of the jobs in the nation. I repeat. Texas created 40% of the jobs in the nation. That is one HELL of selling point. Curious and others, you just can't dismiss that.
If y'all want deflate that selling point a little, you are going to have to do it by pointing out that the Texas Gov. is one of the weakest governorships in the country--but this contradicts a little the point about him being responsible for Texas' weak record on immigration. You could also argue that even King Log could have done well running Texas because it has a fiscally responsible legislature with fiscally responsible voters. But that is a case that has to be made on the merits. The more detailed, the better. Otherwise, just admit it, it is a strong point for Perry if he jumps in.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at June 14, 2011 07:21 AM (epBek)
Call me pro-life, pro-birth, anti-abortion, or a Muppet. One way or the other, I oppose chopping up babies, and the Demoncrats think it's sexy.
MegaGigaTeraDittos, Ken! VERY well said.
God bless you!
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at June 14, 2011 08:55 PM (2AfqM)
11:52 p.m.
a lot of democratic women will quietly pull the lever for a woman and then say they voted for BO.
I can't see Democrat women voting for someone as passionately pro-life as Bachmann.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at June 14, 2011 10:35 PM (2AfqM)
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