August 10, 2011
— Ace So headlines the Washington Times.
A stand by Wisconsin Republicans against a massive effort to oust them from power could reverberate across the country as the battle over union rights and the conservative revolution heads toward the 2012 presidential race.
But the left counts it as a win:
“The fact of the matter remains that, fighting on Republican turf, we have begun the work of stopping the Scott Walker agenda,” said state Democratic Party Chairman Mike Tate.Phil Neuenfeldt, president of the Wisconsin State AFL-CIO, said voters sent a message that there is a growing movement to reclaim the middle class.
“Let’s be clear, anyway you slice it, this is an unprecedented victory,” he said.
Something to keep in mind: While they claim they were playing on Republican turf, that wasn't true in one of the districts, and the other district we lost regrettably featured an incumbent who had an affair with a 25 year old intern and then moved out of the district itself.
In addition, the left outspent us 2 to 1 on advertising, and the unions nationalized the elections, pushing hard for a coalition-of-government-dependent turnout.
They still lost. As "controversial" as Walker's program was, we only lost our two most vulnerable senators.
Next Tuesday we can try to win back one of the lost seats, as two Democrats, Wirch and Holperin, themselves stand for recall.
People say Holperin is vulnerable -- which he might be. This chart shows the vote in the various districts in the 2004 and 2008 elections.
In Holperin's district, Obama got 53% to McCain's 46%. But in 2004, Bush got 53% to Kerry's 46% (yes, an exact flip-flop).
So he's actually in a Bush district, and I can't believe his district is as Democratic as it seemed in 2008.
In addition, of course, they already lost, so there will likely be a fall-off in voter interest -- "Let's keep the score close, at least!" is not a rallying cry likely to motivate a team that's already lost.
Wirch's district is tougher, as it went for Kerry by 51%, but who knows. That's not a blow-out.
I also need to highlight this, which Drew posted last night: The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel published an op-ed beginning...
Sky isn't fallingGov. Scott Walker's so-called tools will help at least some local governments deal with cuts in state aid. Tough choices and pain remain, but give the governor some credit.
Aug. 9, 2011 |(81) COMMENTS
So it turns out that the sky isn't going to fall on all local governments in Wisconsin. The numbers now starting to come in show that Gov. Scott Walker's "tools" for local governments apparently will help at least some of them deal with cuts in state aid imposed by the state budget.
That's contrary to the expectation and the rhetoric of critics in the spring, and it's to Walker's credit. It bears out the governor's assessment of his budget-repair bill, although we still maintain he could have reached his goals without dealing a body blow to public employee unions.
Local government officials also need to keep in mind that not all governments will share equally - Milwaukee County is one example - and that tough choices remain. And state legislators should make adjustments in any follow-on budget-repair bill to make sure that any pain is fairly shared.
But the news is good for many. The latest example is Milwaukee, where the most recent estimates show the city with a net gain of at least $11 million for its 2012 budget. That will take a slice out of the city's structural deficit, which is created by costs rising faster than revenue, and will reduce cuts that Mayor Tom Barrett and the Common Council must impose.
Although this op-ed has yesterday's date, it actually will be published today, safely after the elections.
Apparently it was posted on-line at 6:20 PM, with polls almost closed, ensuring that the truth would not make an unexpected 11th hour Han Solo like appearance in the fight.
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Posted by: EC at August 10, 2011 07:43 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: EC at August 10, 2011 07:45 AM (GQ8sn)
This is a victory just like the reported "wooden cannon" that Mythbusters investigated several years ago: the story (for those unfamiliar) goes that some town had built a wooden cannon to defend itself. When they loaded it up the first time, and fired it, it exploded killing the entire crew, plus several of the militia and other villagers. The mayor looked on the bloody corpses of his people and said to the survivors: "If it killed this many of us, think what it must have done to the enemy!"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 10, 2011 07:45 AM (8y9MW)
I say we drag the unions into fights in every friggin state. Make their coffers echo with the emptiness.
Wear them out. Watch them go flat broke.
Posted by: Clueless at August 10, 2011 07:46 AM (LyOUH)
The failure of the Democrats hadn't sunk in during Schultz's own 10 pm hour, as he asked Adam Green of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee:
SCHULTZ: What's the national lesson?
GREEN: That lesson is that Republicans who declare war on working families will be punished by voters.
Oops...
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:47 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Lizbth at August 10, 2011 07:48 AM (JZBti)
Posted by: Oldsailors poet at August 10, 2011 07:48 AM (ZDUD4)
Phil Neuenfeldt, president of the Wisconsin State AFL-CIO, said voters sent a message that there is a growing movement to reclaim the middle class.
“Let’s be clear, anyway you slice it, this is an unprecedented victory,” he said.
Yes, a solid B Plus!
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 07:48 AM (kUaEF)
This wasn't even a Pyrrhic victory. At least he achieved his short-term objective. This was (at best) a "moral" victory- which means a resounding defeat, but "it's not if you win or lose, but how you play the game."
As has been pointed out- the took back one historically Democrat district, and one district where the incumbent had basically fled so he could be with his mistress. These are not exactly impressive pick-ups. And all six of these were thought to be "the most vulnerable" Republicans. If they can only take 1/3 of "the most vulnerable" what chance do they really have?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 10, 2011 07:48 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 10, 2011 07:48 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:49 AM (UOM48)
$30 million down the pipe on a couple of State Senate races? Bet the unions will throw at least that much at Walker's recall attempt.
Gee, wonder if all that money is above board on the legal side.
Plus, how do you tell your members you shitted away $30 million and accomplished nothing?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 10, 2011 07:49 AM (kaOJx)
Posted by: Jordan at August 10, 2011 07:49 AM (4z6KA)
Posted by: ontherocks at August 10, 2011 07:49 AM (HBqDo)
In addition, the left outspent us 2 to 1 on advertising, and the unions nationalized the elections, pushing hard for a coalition-of-government-dependent turnout.
also Dem Union members were certainly Told to vote, and how to vote. still we prevailed .
another thing is that Enough cheese heads were paying attention to this skuffle to actually go vote to fight the dems machine. Doesn't it show voters are becoming aware and perhaps refutiating the Dems economic premise?
Posted by: willow at August 10, 2011 07:50 AM (h+qn8)
“Let’s be clear, anyway you slice it, this is an unprecedented victory."
--Union Goon Boss
He's right. You don't see this type of victory every day.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 10, 2011 07:50 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Serious Cat at August 10, 2011 07:51 AM (KG3Vk)
Posted by: Oldsailors poet at August 10, 2011 07:51 AM (ZDUD4)
Let me be clear. There are no American tanks in Madison.
Posted by: Baghdad Bob at August 10, 2011 07:51 AM (GMG6W)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at August 10, 2011 07:51 AM (oay47)
He's right. You don't see this type of victory every day.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 10, 2011 11:50 AM (sqkOB)
I see you've taken a marketing class or two.
Posted by: Clueless at August 10, 2011 07:52 AM (LyOUH)
Posted by: pep at August 10, 2011 07:53 AM (GMG6W)
Posted by: sconni Moron at August 10, 2011 07:53 AM (fbWxv)
Posted by: Oldsailors poet at August 10, 2011 07:54 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 10, 2011 07:55 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: Jordan at August 10, 2011 11:49 AM (4z6KA)
What?
Posted by: lowandslow at August 10, 2011 07:56 AM (GZitp)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 10, 2011 07:56 AM (HFaiC)
Really? Saving basically every city that's bothered to report millions of dollars (some of them able to turn deficits into surpluses) is "not working?" Balancing the budget without increasing taxes is "not working?"
What, then, do you believe is "working?" Driving the cities further into debt while confiscating as much wealth as possible from productive class?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 10, 2011 07:56 AM (8y9MW)
The collective progressive leftwingers are desperate to get the entire middle class on unionized welfare. Yeah- it will ruin our nation - but it makes them feel good and gives the left all sorts of corrupt power.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 10, 2011 07:56 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Dave C at August 10, 2011 07:56 AM (C9VgD)
Maybe they have used up their strike fund.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2011 07:57 AM (ENKCw)
“Let’s be clear, anyway you slice it, this is an unprecedented victory,” he said.
The Hindenburg landing was an unprecedented aeronautical success.
The Six Day War was an unprecedented display of Arab military prowess.
Walter Mondale's win over Ronald Reagan was unprecedented.
The Miami Heat are unprecedented NBA champions.
Lefties, you are fundamentally misjudging the mood of the country. Go ahead and double down again. This is going to be fun.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2011 07:57 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: willow at August 10, 2011 07:57 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at August 10, 2011 07:57 AM (JSKko)
Posted by: nevergiveup at August 10, 2011 07:58 AM (i6RpT)
Especially with all that money and attention the Left threw into these recall elections - if they could only manage those paltry gains in a historically Dem state, well...draw your own conclusions.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 07:58 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: alexthechick at August 10, 2011 07:59 AM (VtjlW)
True, but it comes out well in advance of the Democrat recalls- and just might energize the Republicans there.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 10, 2011 07:59 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at August 10, 2011 08:00 AM (oay47)
MSNBC Delivers Shameful Pep Rally Election Coverage
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 08:00 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Potato Bandit at August 10, 2011 08:00 AM (vj3id)
I don't know, but I still love the Mimbari (sp?) speech to the commanders of Luna Base in Babylon 5 (when B5 was declaring it's independence)
"Only one human has faced the Mimbari battle fleet and survived. He is behind me, you are in front of me. Stand down."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 10, 2011 08:01 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Dave C at August 10, 2011 08:01 AM (C9VgD)
Today he replaced it with "The good news is 1 republican is against Walker's moves on collective bargaining, giving Senate dems a 17-16 edge in stopping anymore action in that area (not that there is really anything left to take away)"
I gloated a bit about the upcoming Dem recalls.
Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 08:01 AM (Ws7wI)
Typical liberal crap. Sure, you conservatives may have achieved an actual benefit to the state and its citizens whereas we have nothing but catastrophic policy failures but we could've done that and given everybody an ice cream sundae.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 10, 2011 08:02 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Commander Thinbeard, Noodles Liberation Front at August 10, 2011 08:03 AM (lbo6/)
Posted by: willow at August 10, 2011 08:03 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: fused at August 10, 2011 08:03 AM (P34gz)
Posted by: The Underground Conservative at August 10, 2011 08:04 AM (z6l0G)
Posted by: Dave C at August 10, 2011 08:05 AM (C9VgD)
Posted by: Commander Thinbeard, Noodles Liberation Front at August 10, 2011 12:03 PM (lbo6/)
Piss off.
Posted by: Noodles Peoples Front at August 10, 2011 08:05 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Oldsailors poet at August 10, 2011 08:06 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Dave C at August 10, 2011 08:07 AM (C9VgD)
A little self outting- My wife and I like So You Think You Can Dance (yes, I'll suffer the ridicule). Two seasons ago, Ellen Degeneres (sp?) was a guest judge. She started every critique with, "First off: I could do that."
Why is it that the Democrats seem to say exactly the same thing whenever Republicans produce promised results- when the Democrats have not done that in at least the 30+ years I've been alive? That's exactly what that editorial is saying, "We could have done that."
Now, Ellen was, obviously, joking, and the democrats aren't. But you get the point.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 10, 2011 08:08 AM (8y9MW)
Please leave your Man Card on your way out.
Posted by: EC at August 10, 2011 08:10 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Commander Thinbeard, Noodles Liberation Front at August 10, 2011 08:11 AM (lbo6/)
“The fact of the matter remains that, fighting on Republican turf, we have begun the work of stopping the Scott Walker agenda,” said state Democratic Party Chairman Mike Taint.
who also said yesterday:
"The race to determine control of the Wisconsin Senate has fallen in the hands of the Waukesha County clerk, who has already distinguished herself as incompetent, if not worse. She is once more tampering with the results of a consequential election and in the next hours we will determine our next course of action. For now, Wisconsin should know that a dark cloud hangs over these important results."
Hateful little cretin.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at August 10, 2011 08:12 AM (w41GQ)
Posted by: The Cockroach left at August 10, 2011 08:16 AM (QcFbt)
Today he replaced it with "The good news is 1 republican is against Walker's moves on collective bargaining, giving Senate dems a 17-16 edge in stopping anymore action in that area (not that there is really anything left to take away)"
I gloated a bit about the upcoming Dem recalls.
Posted by: Lauren
Tell him the real good news is that those parasites might bother to stay in the same state as the Senate chamber and do their jobs, which would be a triumph, because the Dems would finally be 'working men'.
Then wish him luck on his herpes clearing up.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 10, 2011 08:17 AM (326rv)
"Boy, we really got our ass handed to us tonight."
Posted by: lowandslow at August 10, 2011 08:18 AM (GZitp)
It's kind of a win. Two Republicans got chucked out of office mid-term for approximately no reason, and six of them had to run their campaigns all over again, to gain nothing-at-most. And millions of otherwise-useful dollars were wasted on politics, instead of spent on, like, beer and trucks.
But here's the thing. Lefties have been very successful at making not being one of them hazardous to professionals' security/well-being/careers/etc., and these recalls, regardless of their outcome, were displays of a power they have over the professional class—not a power they'd have won if the recalls flipped x seats. A power they have.
You're a law guy, so you know: a process that's out of your control, into which you can be dragged against your will, is punishment. And punishment is what the left is really about. They like horserace wins, too, of course (because you lose if they win)—but that's not what they like-like.
My compulsive-"reply all" lefty acquaintances text-frowned, acted kinda surprised, and went quiet for a while when the Republicans weren't routed. Then they revivified themselves with sunrise plots of legislative/tax-code vengeance against "conservative PACs" and the Kochs. The rage-caps and exclamation points are back, undeterred.
I think you kinda don't get lefties. They're not in market-share competition with us, like Pizza Hut vs. Domino's or something. Pizza Hut doesn't exist to—or need to, or even want to—destroy Domino's.
Posted by: oblig. at August 10, 2011 08:18 AM (xvZW9)
The fact of the matter remains that, fighting on Republican turf, we have begun the work of stopping the Scott Walker agenda,” said state Democratic Party Chairman Mike Taint.
So those results were 'tainted'?
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 10, 2011 08:19 AM (6rX0K)
Posted by: Dave C at August 10, 2011 08:25 AM (C9VgD)
Why is everyone looking at me?
Posted by: Eric Holder, planning to open FEMA Camps for AoSHQ commenters at August 10, 2011 08:37 AM (tqwMN)
In fact, almost 350,000 people voted in Tuesday’s recall elections — and Republicans won 53 percent of the total vote.
Huge win for the unions!
Posted by: Jay at August 10, 2011 08:43 AM (3LaGb)
Been looking at the races up in 2012 now.
Wisconsin, which seems to have really gone red enough as is, will have voter ID laws in place for the first time in '12 (how much of an effect that will have I don't know), plus Walker's redistricting plan and the fact that the state is now right-to-work, so as time goes on the number 1 source of Democrat volunteers and money will wither away.
I think the WI legislature will stay in GOP hands by at least a couple seats if not more. They control it now, and that's before redistricting. There will be 3 statewide races unaffected by redistricting, Walker himself who I think will win, the POTUS race, where I think Obama may lose WI, and a US senate race where the incumbent D is retiring.
In 2012, Scott Brown is (I think almost certainly) toast. Deficit of 3 becomes 4. All the others, none of the GOP senators seem terribly weak.
Possible GOP pickups in Missouri (McCaskill in trouble), Montana (Tester barely won without breaking 50%), possibly Nebraska (Ben Nelson), possibly Florida (Bill Nelson, if he gets a good challenger), Wisconsin (Herb Kohl is retiring), Virginia (Jim Webb barely beat Allen and is also retiring too), and North Dakota (Kent Conrad is retiring).
Good tea party primary opportunities in Utah (Orrin Hatch) and Indiana (Dump Dick Lugar!)
Posted by: Entropy at August 10, 2011 08:55 AM (IsLT6)
We spent millions of dollars, we got out every vote we could, we even rigged the election dates so we could take temporary control for a week before they had a shot at our guys... we rigged it as best we could... and we lost.
And we might lose back the 2 seats we got next week.
We wasted a crapton of money and didn't get any of our declared objectives? What do liberals call that?
#WINNING #UNPRECEDENTED VICTORY
Yeah... you guys keep winning.
“The fact of the matter remains that, fighting on Republican turf, we have begun the work of stopping the Scott Walker agenda,” said state Democratic Party Chairman Mike Tate.
Ok, so this is "Republican Turf"? Lets look at their Presidential votes... Obama, Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Clinton, Dukakis.
How the **** do you call that "Republican Turf"? If that is "Republican Turf" then where is "Democrat Turf"? Is it in THIS country?
Posted by: gekkobear at August 10, 2011 09:01 AM (X0NX1)
Posted by: AmishDude at August 10, 2011 09:05 AM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Field Marshal von Paulus at August 10, 2011 09:20 AM (XpM53)
And state legislators should make adjustments in any follow-on budget-repair bill to make sure that any pain is fairly shared.
Um, why exactly? Why should the pain of spendthrift towns be equally shared by more responsible towns?
Oh, yeah, that socialism thing. Where the equal sharing of misery is the principal feature.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 10, 2011 09:30 AM (4q5tP)
In other words, the Silent Majority. Last night in Wisconsin, the Silent Majority spoke once again.
As for the public employee unions, the moral of the story is: Be Not Afraid. They talk a big game. But they are dinosaurs, slow-moving, half-witted, and willfully ignorant of the fact that their period of dominance is coming to an end.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at August 10, 2011 09:35 AM (qHCyt)
No district in America will be as Democratic as it seemed in 2008 between now and 2012. Not even the newsrooms of the MFM though their diminished numbers may become more shrill.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2011 11:17 AM (r4t7/)
“Let’s be clear, anyway you slice it, this is an unprecedented victory,"
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at August 10, 2011 12:07 PM (1hM1d)
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Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 10, 2011 07:43 AM (kaOJx)