1 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

2 Yeah it's great think of what will go in  Dearborn, MI Public Schools and other places once the PC crowd twists it around. The Constitution shouldn't be riddle with silly amendments like this. The 1st is already clear enough if it weren't for hack judges.

3 1 -- can't be said enough.

4 I think this is a mistake for the Perry campaign. He is just digging a hole now.

5 How about an amendment to tie Kagan and Soto back to back and drop them out of a chopper over the middle of The North Atlantic?

6 OK I am a Perry supporter but he is starting to annoy me.

7 Great, but this isn't 1962. Even if this amendment was passed, it would just be seen as an additional burden on kids rather than something to be taken seriously.

8 There are a lot of people posting that there is ample evidence that Kagan is required by law to recuse herself from the health care case and that if she doesn't she should be impeached.

9 @5 That's harsh, bro. How about just tying their tails together and throwing them over a clothesline?

10 The muslims would use it to justify publicly funded madrassas.A fine idea.Sheesh.

11

On the other hand, if he gets an amendment to allow corporal punishment in schools, this idea may have a fighting chance of working.

12 Oh, brother. Like we haven't gotten used to no prayer in the schools for like 50 years now.  

I hate this pandering shit.

13 8 Yeah,want to bet she wont recuse or get impeached?

14 He's casting about for a lifeline to voters that came, saw and left several 'debates' ago.

Last night's performance wasn't bad but just being average really isn't going to get you noticed. I certainly hope the one that the voters select has the nads to go all out at the SCoaMF's record of failure and abuse.

15 steevy, it's good to see you at the top of your game.

16 I want to ask the Ace of Spades people a simple question. Is your support for Perry unconditional? If not, exactly how bad does he have to get for you to disown him?

17 Unbelievable. So much pandering to the SoCon Proggs. Is this the real Perry? That's it for me. Hellooooooo Newt.

18 this is so pathetically disconnected from the issues people care about right now

19 Yes, becaue everybody ignore the candidates' records and histories, we all know that running for president is about who can talk purtiest to leftists on a stage.

20 Allowing congress to overturn SCOTUS decisions is dangerous since congress is such a collection of flaky losers.  The mechanism to do it already exists via constitutional amendment.

21 I get the guy is doing whatever he can to get back into contention but he's starting to sound like Newt "Wait! I've got an idea!" Gingich with all this stuff.

Add all this to his fine sounding but never going to happen "part time Congress" thing and he's just throwing shit against the wall. Maybe one of them will stick.

22 The opinion on F&F this morning was that they all came off good, but Perry won it.

23 Oddly missing an amendment to define the commerce clause, but still a good start for an Art5 convention.

24 16 I want to ask the Ace of Spades people a simple question. Is your support for Perry unconditional?

Obviously not. where do you get the idea that we are a monolith in support of Perry?

25 Church attendance nation wide is down. Or so, I have been reading.
How does this help?

26 He needs to be concentrating on the economy about 90% of the time and national defense 10% of the time.

27 Oddly missing an amendment to define the commerce clause

Probably because that's the one that usually lets'em ignore everything else.

28 I'd choose school vouchers over a constitutional amendment allowing organized prayer in school.

29 Pandering is for Mittens and Huntsman. Perry needs to knock it off.

30 Hell,we at the AOSHQ have ripped every candidate for one reason or another.Conservatives don't march in lockstep.We think independantly.

31 I'd rather die than to have a vaccine pushing, Mexican loving RINO in office. If Perry is the nominee then I'll be voting for Obama. If Perry becomes president and starts amending the Constitution then I'll have him impeached. Unless of course he amends the Constitution to abolish birthright citizenship for Mexifornians, in which case I'll personally carve out his likeness on Mt. Rushlimbaugh. The most important criteria for this year's nominee is the ability to win a media-moderated debate with Obama. Governing stuff is for steers and queers. Gingrich-Cain-Palin, '12.

32 Purple Avenger: Wait...you're back? Welcome!

33 Does CAC do his weekly polling updates on Sundays? I've been out of the loop lately.

34 I have backed Rick Perry from the start, still do. But my patience is wearing thin.  The asshats who are running this campaign, or Perry himself continue to not understand the path to the nomination, which conveniently, would require no pivot to win the presidency.  This interest group strategizing is stupid beyond belief, as is the Amendment(s) ploy.  Clearly stated basic principles can both paint Newt & Mittens into a corner (without attacking them personally), and refocus conservatives on what is at stakes this election.  Conveniently again, those basic principles are very appealing to most of the mushy middle.  Reagan articulated these very clearly, with great optimism, and the people understood.   Forceful, consistent, clarity on principle is all that is required.  These campaign "professionals" are outhinking themselves. 

35 Perry probably figured ,"well,that Newt feller just throws out idea after idea and he leads in the polls,so if I do it,winning!".

36 "He is just digging a hole now." Maybe when he's done he can fill it with water, put a shark in it, and jump over it. What a freaking moron.

37 This is the eighth constitutional amendment Perry has suggested during the campaign. The others were a pro-life amendment, a marriage amendment, a balanced budget amendment, an amendment repealing of the income tax amendment, an amendment repealing direct election of senators, an amendment abolishing lifetime tenure for federal judges, and an amendment giving Congress a veto of Supreme Court decisions. Posted by Gabriel Malor at You say this like it's a bad thing.

38 Alamo, Perry must be thinking Iowa is the end for him, no? Why else?

39 Perry should suggest a constitutional amendment to make people pay their income taxes...oh, wait...

MSNBC star Al Sharpton owes the IRS $2.6 millionÂ… But he did finally pay the Peabody Hotel in Memphis the $106,981 that he owed for a 2008 conference.

40 wouldn't it be easier to privatize the public schools?

41 How about we get rid of government education, then the prayer in school issue is left to private parties.

42 Are Newt's ex-campaign staffers the ones convincing Perry to use this no-win strategy? Or is there a thought of backlash support when the ACLU and other groups start the attack on this?

43 I think this is a mistake for the Perry campaign. He is just digging a hole now.

Right.  In this age of budget limitation, I don't think that we can afford both school prayer and foot baths in the Muslim prayer rooms.

44 I'm getting depressed,need pics of cheerleaders with big tittehs.Stat.

45 The USA has been changed from a Republic into a semiSocialist Kleptocracy, and the smart and sophisticated political folks want to make a small adjustment here and a tiny tweak there. See? All better now. Eff that. The USA needs radical change and fast.

46 Oh crud. Thanks Perry, way to give fuel to everyone who would fear you as a religious nut even though they think Barry is a SCOAMF. Maybe Newt IS the best option we have this election in spite of all his baggage. Maybe fleeing to Canada will be the only "Galt's gulch" type response that makes any sense in 2013? They at least seem to be trending conservative, have less onerous business taxes, and with the smaller population it might be easier to tip the balance to conservative /'classical liberal'

47 How about a constitional amendment banning evil and corrupt education-killing teacher's unions?

48 46 Well,there's only like 35 million Canadians,so we could easily take the place over.

49
A new poll found that 75% of Americans believe the country is going in the wrong direction. (cbs)

75%!
Yet some people call Perry a moron.  I would vote for a dung beetle over Oloser.

50 First, a FF question, and then I'll get on topic.

Steve Smith against Atlanta or Demaryius Thomas against Chicago?

51 8. Epidemic [Lyrics - King, Music - Hanneman, King] Breeding fast in poverty Infectious driving dormant seed Inside your carcass start to mate Left in charge to dominate Waiting to unfold Raging uncontrolled Adapt a potency Death machine, infest my corpse to be Unyielding kings of agony Test your body chemistry Pulmonary overthrow Possession of your inner throne Invasions quickly override, malicious domineering strike Flood your veins commit slow death Deteriorate your makers met Perpetual demise On a fast decline Killing tendency Epidemic, permanent disease [LEAD: HANNEMAN] Incapacitate, fall into your fate Pain results in screams, bleed internally Years will pass before it can be cured [LEAD: KING]

52

This marks the end of any support for me for Perry. I know he would be better in so many ways that Newt or Romney, but he has been flailing since he is in the race. This is not going to work at all.

I'm in Florida, and I think he has made himself near unelectable here with his debate performances and erratic statements. He was not destined to be electable, but he just wasn't up to the task. It is a shame.

53 Per Big Government (J. Christian Adams), AG Holder will attempt to make these arguments moot on Tuesday with an "announcement" on racial/voting issues. If he grants the ACORNs of the country license to steal the 2012 election, as I suspect he will, then we're in for the nastiest nastiness in years. Link in name.

54 Niedermeyer- It's a toss-up, but I'd lean towards Smith... and I'm starting both Tebow and Newton in my league. Atlanta's banged-up in the secondary, and this looks like a 300-yard-kinda day for Newton.

55

You say this like it's a bad thing.

Yeah.  It's a bad thing.  How many Constitutional Amendments do you think the Perry adminstration is likely to actuall pass?  Zero.

How about telling people how you will always apply fiscally sound conservative principle to every fucking initiative and every piece of shit legislation those lowlife feather-bedding fucks in congess put on your desk. That is a promise he can actually follow though on.  Himself, personally.  His "advisors" need to be lined up and shot.  This "strategy" is stupid, and he is better than this. 

Campaign professionals are all about buiding reputations based on arcane strategy and appealing to interest segments and build blocs that get their clients elected (hopefully) so that the professionals build reputations and can sell books.  They have incredibly over-complicated what this election is about.  It is not about appeasing interest groups and bringing together a coalition.  It is about saving the country AFTER we get rid of this Marxist fucker. 

56 53 We were in for it anyway.Obama wont go quietly.

57 @Steevy - Wow, is everyone here a metalhead? "Reign In Blood" - best Slayer album ever, a stone cold classic the second it came out.

58

I think Perry is hoping to give religion at least some of the same protection in schools that sexual preference has. In California, for example, public schools are now required to specifically teach children the valuable contributions made by Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgender people in history (Harvey Milk, for instance).

Of the listed amendments proposed by Perry (assuming an accurate list), I'm at least initially in favor of all of them. The actual sad commentary is that the Federal government has gotten so out of control that this many amendments would even get proposed. We are definitely off the rails, WAY off, from what the founding fathers had in mind.

59 49 So would I, but not this one.

60 57 Not everyone but there are a few.I still remember listening to Reign for the first time and being blown away.

61 Republicans have, as promised, focused all year on our plan to remove government-made barriers to job creation. In all, 27 bipartisan, House-passed jobs bills are now waiting for a vote in the Democratic-run Senate.

Obviously, Harry Reid needs to return to his other job, funeral director, full time.

62 Perry most closely approximates Reagan in 1980. That is the sort of candidate we need. We need to show everyone 2012 is 1980 reborn. In fact it will be 1980 cubed: Ebola is far worse than Carter.

63 I'm in Florida, and I think he has made himself near unelectable here with his debate performances and erratic statements. He was not destined to be electable, but he just wasn't up to the task. It is a shame.

I am in Florida and WILL vote for Perry.

64 It's a toss-up, but I'd lean towards Smith... and I'm starting both Tebow and Newton in my league. Atlanta's banged-up in the secondary, and this looks like a 300-yard-kinda day for Newton.

Thanks.

I sure hope Cam passes it Smith's way.

65 It is about saving the country AFTER we get rid of this Marxist fucker. Posted by: Alamo at December 11, 2011 12:22 PM (JUtDq) Saving the country with what? Adjustments to the tax code? Raising SS retirement by 2 years? Cutting spending 1%?

66

#58

I think people understand that, but social conservatives often don't get the right reaction. They think what is called for is to legislate in the opposite direction, and it never goes over well with the general public.

Instead Perry should rail against the excesses like the California law and instead talk about local control and a culture of respect for religious values. Anything more is just a trap, and Perry is happily jumping into it.

67 Obviously, Harry Reid needs to return to his other job, funeral director, full time.

POMEGRANATES!

68 I was still hoping for a Perry comeback, but this on top of all the other Constitutional tinkering Perry has proposed has made me not care any more. I'll end up voting for whoever the (R) nominee is, because any step to the right, no matter how slight, is an improvement over Obama, but I no longer give a damn which one of them ends up taking that step. So I'm not going to actively support any of them, in any way. None of them are worth the effort.

69 We were in for it anyway.Obama wont go quietly.

There's gonna be lots of thuggery, voter intimidation, and blood.  This time they got a friendly DOJ to protect them.

70 I was prepared to be a Perry supporter. I thought his Texas record would translate well into a national campaign. But he's been booting the ball all over the field ever since he got into the race. I don't want a candidate that runs against Romney, I want a candidate that runs against Obama. Social-con issues are way, way down my list and in particular I WILL NOT back a candidate who panders to them. I still think he could be an effective President and he might well be more reliable on matters of principle and policy than Mr Romneycare and warmist Newt. But he can't make the sale doing what he's doing.

71 69 Yep,plus the MFM and a billion dollars.

72 Lots of Perry hate from a bunch of new posters, I wonder how many are Iowa primary voters?

73 'Dear Gaia, forgive us for our transgressions...'

Yeah, I don't think that's the bet idea, Rick.

Better to just fix the mindset that leads us to emanations of penumbras away from what the actual law says.

74 School choice is a better option, but I do think the governor is on to something important in getting traditional values back into the class room. What we currently have is a system where some learning is taking place but it is not rooted in the larger picture of western civ, so you end up with some intelligence being generated, but also the groundwork for the OWS mentality also being generated. BTW, this court, and certainly the last few would rule the declaration of independence unconstitutional. We should not trust them with interpreting a new amendment.

75

Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2011 12:20 PM (7WJOC)

 

We're going to have to meet up at the next Slayer show up here, steevy.

76
   I smell troll.

  With a hint of moby.

77 On a lighter note.The celebrity you would most like to see naked?

78

dr kill at December 11, 2011 12:09 PM

I'm sure you're right Doc.  Again, campaign "pros" have constructed a strategy to win Iowa and make their canidate uncompetetive elsewhere or grow more prominent in the national debate.  Freaking brilliant.  Ron Paul is running strong in Iowa.  Why not emulate him if Iowa is that important? 

If your master plan is to win Iowa then have to downplay the narrative that created that victory you're an idiot.  And I think Perry's strategists are idiots. 

I hope to run into a couple of them someday so I punch them in the mouth.

79

#63

That is great, but not many other people are going to do so.

He received horrible treatment among conservative press and the major newspapers. Conservative leaders here were shocked by how poorly he did in the Orlando debate. His numbers are below 6-8% in every poll. He is not going to do well here.

We can't just wish Perry to victory. He had to give us something to work with. The 2% of the Republican electorate that reads AoS is not going to give him enough momentum just because we understand the bigger picture. I've talked to people I know about his strengths over Romney/Newt, and it just doesn't stick. They think he is unprepared for a general election.

80 And now for something completely different.

81 On a lighter note.The celebrity you would most like to see naked?

Robert Downey Jr.

82 74 Yeah,wanted to see them this year but circumstances were against me.

83

The celebrity you would most like to see naked?

 

Kal Penn!

84 81 I hope you are female.

85 I get the impression Perry is suggesting the American people need to have their voices heard in the halls of power. While I wouldn't necessarily support all those suggested amendments, I agree with the point. You got a link for that list, Gabe? First I've seen of most of them.

86 viggo

87

Posted by: steevy at December 11, 2011 12:34 PM (7WJOC)

I usually have to go to Spokane, SLC, Portland, or Seattle to catch them...

88 Mila Kunis would be ,at least close to the top of my list.

89 I'm done with Perry. I stuck with him through it all, but THIS is just too silly. Never thought he would turn out to be Huckabee-lite.

90 "This is the eighth constitutional amendment Perry has suggested during the campaign." Apparently, Perry's no fan of the Constitution.

91 Naked celebrity? Scarlett J. Before gravity wins.

92

Posted by: irongrampa at December 11, 2011 12:31 PM (SAMxH)

 

I smell troll poontang and the only good troll poontang is dead troll poontang.

93 87 Well,I moved to Jersey now but can still see them in the city.They played the PNC Artcenter with the Big 4 this summer I think,but that place is outdoors and I don't like that.

94 Perry said he would support "a constitutional amendment that would allow our children to pray in school any time that they would like." He would also support a pro-life amendment, a marriage amendment, a balanced budget amendment, an amendment repealing of the income tax amendment, an amendment repealing direct election of senators, an amendment abolishing lifetime tenure for federal judges, and an amendment giving Congress a veto of Supreme Court decisions.

Yes sir, that's MY GOVERNOR right there.

95 Kate Bekinsale (locked in a 69 with Mila Kunis).

96 77 On a lighter note.The celebrity you would most like to see naked?

Sofia. Vergara.

97 I don't mind Perry scrambling because he broke his image as "jobs genius" due to crappy debate performance. I'd expect most of the SoCon stuff to take a backseat if he moves up significantly enough for him to be the Not-Newt or Not-Romney. His real strength as a general election candidate has been job-creation and 10th amendment return of power to the states. So, if he's smart he won't go too deep into the SoCon plan of the week stuff unless he has good intellectually justified bailouts in mind ala Newt.

98 91 Yeah,didn't see the hacked pics?I missed them.

99 86 viggo

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 11, 2011 12:35 PM (Ho2rs)

i will second that. though i dont remember where... i heard he might suffer from a tragic ...insufficiency.

100 Sure looks to me like this amendment would just be putting power back into the 1st amendments free exercise aspect.

101 Maybe if kids could pray in school their math scores would be better and more cheerleaders would have wardrobe malfunctions.

102 Boy I sure fucked that sock up.

103 95 She(Kate) has been topless in something,I saw pictures online.

104 And now for something completely different.

I have to give it to Fiat. They've managed to do something with a tiny car that most of those patronizing shits, like Smart Car, have not: Build a nice little car and, if it's a gas saver, well that nice too.

Only Mini Cooper has seemed as cool.

Very, very good marketing by Fiat.

105 99 Maybe he was swimming in cold water.

106 Yeah.  It's a bad thing.  How many Constitutional Amendments do you think the Perry adminstration is likely to actuall pass?  Zero.

Administrations don't pass or sign constitutional amendments - Congress and the state legislatures (or conventions) do.  All a president can do is cheerlead.

Cheap theatrics by Perry.

107 99 86 viggo

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 11, 2011 12:35 PM (Ho2rs)

i will second that. though i dont remember where... i heard he might suffer from a tragic ...insufficiency.

Yes. He's a... leftist.

108 My gawd!!!  Come on HQ, if this was Newt, Cain, or anyone threatening Perry in any way, you would have been all over them as having gone off the deep end.   Yeah, we have so few problems in this country that Perry wants to have a f'ing amendment to the constitution to allow prayer in schools.  Kelo, folks, Kelo.  Perry, get the hell out of the race, idiot, come back again when it means more to you to help the country than to help yourself.

109 Kate Bekinsale (locked in a 69 with Mila Kunis). Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2011 12:37 PM (Ko/N4) Our drones should display that like R2D2 just before they self destruct.

110 Downey jr is almost nude in Sherlock Holmes.

111 107 Yeah,so is ScarJo,still want to see her naked.

112

His real strength as a general election candidate has been job-creation and 10th amendment return of power to the states. So, if he's smart he won't go too deep into the SoCon plan of the week stuff unless he has good intellectually justified bailouts in mind ala Newt.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 11, 2011 12:37 PM (I49Jm)

It sure looks like even this proposed amendment has a 10th amendment aspect to it.  The line immediately after Gabe's quoted text is: "The issue of prayer in school should a local decision, rather than an issue foisted on the public by the Supreme Court, Perry said." 

So basically he's saying that the decision of prayer in school being acceptable should not be something done at the federal level.

113

Yes. He's a... leftist.

 

He's left bent? 

eh...If that bothers the ladies, they'll roll over.

114 What nationality is that Viggo Mortensen anyway?

115 Very, very good marketing by Fiat.

Posted by: Homesick Harry at December 11, 2011 12:39 PM (piMMO)

Yowza! I watched it twice!

116 113 Didn't Paula Jones say that Clintons dick was spotted and skewed to the left??

117 Interesting column linked over n NRO.  The gist is that in 2004, the donks were so infuriated that W could pose as a he man war hero that they ran a "real war" hero, John Kerry (stop laughing!), against him and were trounced.  Now the GOP is making the same mistake in that they are so furious that Obama can pose as a brilliant, articulate speaker that they are running a "real" brilliant, articulate speaker, Newt, against him.  And they will be trounced.

118

i will second that. though i dont remember where... i heard he might suffer from a tragic ...insufficiency.

Yes. He's a... leftist.

Posted by: real joe at December 11, 2011 12:40 PM (w7Lv+)

hahahahahahaha!

well, thats nothing that cant be solved with a ball gag.

hes a better than decent horseman and to me that counts for something,  i can forgive a person delusional fancies if he will just shut up and RIDE IT LIKE HE STOLE IT.

horsemen do get some really odd notions. Leftism really isnt the worst of them.

119 114 What nationality is that Viggo Mortensen anyway?

No doubt a filthy Scandi.

120

Our drones should display that like R2D2 just before they self destruct.

 

We'd have no allies...everyone would be trying to down them!

121 The celebrity you would most like to see naked?

Strapped on a rack being tortured?  Sean Penn.

In something slinky?  1981 vintage Rachel Ward.

122 116 113 Didn't Paula Jones say that Clintons dick was spotted and skewed to the left??
And resembled a roll of quarters in size?

123 And now for something completely different.

I have to give it to Fiat. They've managed to do something with a tiny car that most of those patronizing shits, like Smart Car, have not: Build a nice little car and, if it's a gas saver, well that nice too.

There was a car in that commercial?

124 I find it odd that the only press Perry gets is negative.  He has interviews and speeches daily, but they are never mentioned by the MSM or even Fox.  But let him say anything that deviates from what the establishment tells us it is alright to mention, the knives come out.  He even only got barely mentioned for doing good in the debate last night.

Until any of the other candidates show any sign of being better than Perry, I am sticking with him.

125 If by "viggo", you mean Viggo Mortensen. Rent "Eastern Promises". Good movie and a nude murder attempt/fight featuring lots of Viggo wang, if that's your thing. I agree on ScarJo as the leaks didn't do her justice. Smartest thing Jamie Lee Curtis ever did was show the goods in Trading Places....instantly turned her from a horse-faced tomboy to a sex-godess uh, with a horse-face... But gave her another twenty years in the biz.

126 1981 vintage Rachel Ward. Sharky's Machine Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid Favorite line: "What does FOC mean?"

127 If he wants to focus on this, why not focus on judges?

Iowa was the state in which supreme court judges invented a right to same-sex marriage and three were tossed out in retention elections.  It allows him to pander to socons and pivot to the excessive power of the judiciary as well as getting in digs at lawyers (Perry is hated by trial lawyers).

I don't understand why this is so hard.

128 We'd have no allies...everyone would be trying to down them! Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2011 12:45 PM (Ko/N4) Hmm. Okay, how about a decal on it that says if you return this drone unharmed, you get to see the real thing in person. Free.

129 Titteh..I mean,cheerleader thread up.

130 From IMDB:

Born in New York to a Danish father and an American mother, Mortensen spent the early part of his childhood in Manhattan.

And now it's time for football.

131

eman at December 11, 2011 12:28 PM

Saving the country with what? Adjustments to Overhauling the tax code? Raising Restructuring SS retirement by 2 years so that it is sustainable and rational? Cutting spending 1% until the budget is balanced?

Difficult tasks each but more achievable than a bucketfull of Constitutional Amendments.  Just as important, the majority of the country undertands that.  Look, I support most of the goals Perry has outlined with his Amendment proposals, but like most folks I understand that this is posturing, not a realistic outline of how he will address our grave, nation threatening challenges.   

132 I tell ya what Ricko, propose repealing a stupid ammendment or two first, then think a little longer the next time you want to add one.

133 i will second that. though i dont remember where... i heard he might suffer from a tragic ...insufficiency. Posted by: gushie really wants to post! at December 11, 2011 12:38 PM (QNeKQ) That's no problem. You just need to tighten up.

134
And resembled a roll of quarters in size?

Oh, that's just SAD.

But more hilarious.

135 No. We've already got Turkish Islamists sucking down tax dollars all over the country, thanks to Charter Schools gone wild. I do not want to see prayer rugs, prayer rooms, sex segregation and foot baths in our public schools. Think this through, Rick.

136 Viggo's Dutch isn't he?

137

What is Perry's IQ? He comes accross at about an 80-85. Now, this wouldn't be all bad if he were president and listened to smarter advisors, so he'd still have one up on his mental twin currently in office, who apparently listens to all of the advice and still manages to choose the dumbest.

138 Pray any time they want to? Kids can already pray any time they want as long as they don't disrupt others. We don't need to give smart alecs and showoffs the right to disrupt classes to pray. We don't need to give adults the right to disrupt classes to lead the children in prayer.

139 132 I tell ya what Ricko, propose repealing a stupid ammendment or two first, then think a little longer the next time you want to add one.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 11, 2011 12:48 PM (rX1N2)

According to Gabe's list, he's proposed repealing 2 of them.  Income Tax, and Direct election of Senators.

140 Posted by: Alamo at December 11, 2011 12:48 PM (JUtDq) Still tweaking. None of what you propose is enough. SS, for example, is theft and should be discarded forthwith.

141 138 - What's Perry's IQ?  1.5 million jobs.

142 On a lighter note.The celebrity you would most like to see naked?

Sofia. Vergara.

I don't know about that. She is such a sex-bomb that the tiniest bit of mystery seems to add to her appeal. I mean, what else is there after she removes her clothes?

All other such women would be ruined for you forever.

143 Lots of Perry hate on here today, and most of the names are new. 

I will vote for Newt if he is the nominee, but I have yet to see Perry do anything bad enough to make Romney look good.

144 132 I tell ya what Ricko, propose repealing a stupid ammendment or two first, then think a little longer the next time you want to add one.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 11, 2011 12:48 PM (rX1N2)

Burn, how do you think bad amendments get repealed?  Please read the 21st Amendment before you come back with an answer. 

145 Downey jr is almost nude in Sherlock Holmes.


Haruh?!

{{tilts head}}

I must get to Netflixing.

146

@ 143 chillin

Yeah, there is something very odd about this whole - "Well, Perry obviously has a great conservative record, but..." crowd

 

147 According to Gabe's list, he's proposed repealing 2 of them.  Income Tax, and Direct election of Senators.

Yup. 16th and 17th Amendments.

148 I will propose an Amendment to allow people to double post on their blogs, link to lez pr0n, and a 2-hobo limit per week during season.

149 off sock

150 Heh--nekkid celebrity, Patrick Wilson. But wait! I've seen Patrick nekkid, as has anyone who had the fortitude to sit through "Little Children." he's hot, movie sucks, and doesn't get better even with a goodly dose of liquor applied.

151

SS, for example, is theft and should be discarded forthwith.

Agreed, but it ain't happenin'.  You think Perry should propose that?  Instant death.  I want a canidate that can say all the things the American people need to hear- and still be elected.  That is of course an idealogical bridge too far.  I agree that my alterations to your questions are tweaks, but much more substantial than even Ronaldus Magnus accomplished, and we need to start somewhere.

I'd like to accomplsih the same things you would (I think!), but the only way to get that done is bring the disaster train to a screeching halt, then slowly start backing this bitch up as we reinvigorate the economy. 

Alternately, we can re-elect the Kenyan Marxist with daddy issues, collapse this m' fucker, and start from scratch.

152

So our country is being shoved into a socialist nightmare, civil unrest festering in every city, economic catastrophe, our enemies gearing up for WWIII, and a world government being established for the purpose of fleecing us, and Rick Perry's brilliant idea is altering the constitution to allow for SCHOOL PRAYER???  

You know, leftists aren't the problem.  Stupid fucking Republicans are the problem and Perry epitomizes it.  If the left had any credible opposition they'd just wither away.  But goddamn it, if they're not complicit they're too stupid to see why a random meaningless quote from the Bible isn't a persuasive political argument. 

A conservative who understands and spreads the philosophy of individual liberty is a force-multiplier.  They will inspire others to be like them.  A dumbfuck so-con following whatever image they find appealing is going to create enemies for us and make us look stupid. Anyone who thinks Perry can beat Obama with the Huckabee tactic is an idiot.

153 Perry would actually devote the next administration to that?!!!

So much for repealing ObamaCare.

So much for limiting efforts to achieve constitutional amendments to life/death matters.

No one needs a constitutional amendment in order to say a prayer anywhere they want, any time. Jesus advised people to pray in private and not make a big scene over self righteous antics in public. It isn't as if Perry's constitutional amendment would sanctify God. Just imagine the outcries from every religious sect (including atheists) regarding the wording and the practice or ritual to be observed in "prayer" whether supplication or meditative reflection.

Just stick to keeping the Pledge of Allegiance politically acceptable. If Perry's eliminating the Dept. of Education, then what government entity would enforce his prayer amendment?

154 With this, Perry has conceded that the First Amendment, by structure, restricts what State officials may or may not do in their interactions with the public. I have been waiting for a Conservative public figure to concede this point for a long, long time.

155

Just stick to keeping the Pledge of Allegiance politically acceptable. If Perry's eliminating the Dept. of Education, then what government entity would enforce his prayer amendment?

Posted by: The Pirates Your Mother Fears at December 11, 2011 01:13 PM (lpWVn)

Well considering that in the article he said its a decision that should be left to the local level rather than the Supreme Court, there isn't really anything to enforce at the federal level with this.

156 154 With this, Perry has conceded that the First Amendment, by structure, restricts what State officials may or may not do in their interactions with the public. I have been waiting for a Conservative public figure to concede this point for a long, long time.

Posted by: Zimriel at December 11, 2011 01:13 PM (6GvAC)

Really?  He's doing that?  Sure looks like he's saying that a Supreme Court decision in the past caused that.

157

Burn, how do you think bad amendments get repealed?  Please read the 21st Amendment before you come back with an answer. 

Posted by: Boone at December 11, 2011 12:56 PM (fVaSb)

Well, no shit?  Did you read my post and really think that I would include an ammendment to repeal the same as adding another stupid ammendment?  Really? 

Please read a comment in context with the OP before donning your douche hat.

Now, obviously I missed the list of ammendments he's proposed repealing, so for that - good on him.  If he would stick to that instead of piling on with the stupid...

158

>>Posted by: Laura Castellano at December 11, 2011 01:05 PM (Tz4+g)

Saw his show A Gifted Man a couple of times (gave the premiere a mulligan) and must say that it was the absolute worst piece of leftist feel good garbage that I've seen in quite some time.

To call it nauseating would be a charitable.

159 1) This site is way, way more socially liberal than the general GOP primary voters; I doubt most here have any idea how serious prayer is to social conservatives.

2) Texas has a pretty easy amendment process, we have a lot of amendments. I think we had 10 on the ballot alone this last cycle. Something like this doesn't sound like too many amendments to a Texan.

3) I like the "it would be super popular but it's stupid" line here. Seems some like their wedgies from the MSM a little too much. "Oh, no!! Can't have the lefties making fun of us 'cause we believe in prayer." 'Course what do I know, I'm not a consistent true GOProud conservative like what we need to win and all that . . . .

160 159 3) I like the "it would be super popular but it's stupid" line

I'd been arguing that it's about the smartest thing Perry's ever proposed. Mind you, to read buzzion 156, Perry might be right for the wrong reason here.

Where the Supreme Court rules beyond its jurisdiction, like in Roe v Wade, then it's okay to blame the Court; and the solution is to impeach those judges who launched that coup d'etat. But in a case like this the Court had ruled upon the design and intent of the Bill of Rights. Perry's solution is perfect, given his assumptions: don't hit the Court; instead, repeal that part of the Bill of Rights.

I don't actually think that Perry should launch this Amendment. But I like that he recognises that he has to, to do what he wants.

161 jimmuy "Oh, no!! Can't have the lefties making fun of us 'cause we believe in prayer."

As to this, yeah, you're a dishonest jerk for saying it. I'll make fun of you because you want to force everyone else to "believe in prayer" - if they're poor and have to go to public school, that is. Don't you have a goat waiting for you somewhere?

162 This doesn't repeal any of the Bill of Rights.  Its reestablishing the Free Exercise Clause for students that go to public school.  Because the federal government is telling them that they do not have the right to exercise their religion freely in violation of the First Amendment.

163 This is the eighth constitutional amendment Perry has suggested during the campaign.

I could back every one of these.

164 buzzion: hmm. Gabriel's interpretation of Perry's amendment differs from Perry's interpretation.

-Perry: "a constitutional amendment that would allow our children to pray in school any time that they would like"
-Gabriel Malor: "organized prayer in public schools"

I should have read the article and not the AoSHQ headline.

So I should provisionally apologise to, um, everyone (except Perry and @#$% Gabriel) for not reading the original article before blathering about it.

165 Born: Viggo Peter Mortensen Jr. October 20, 1958 in Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA

166 I'll try again - this time from Perry's own words, which I think buzzion interpreted properly.

The Amendment which Perry proposes would allow organised prayer, but only if the students organised the group themselves. It would also grant to the Federal State the authority to ensure that no State or local authority could hinder the students / groups from their prayer - "in school any time". This by analogy with the "militia" of the Second Amendment.

So buzzion is right that this does not conflict with the First Amendment.

It is, nonetheless, a horrible idea. How about five times a day? How about some backwoods cult that does it all day? Guess what! They can call some bureaucrat in the D of E and, under this Amendment, the D of E would have to save those poor kids from the persecution of actually having to learn stuff on school time.

167 And I'll keep making fun of jimmuy for wanting to interrupt school time with goat sacrifice and chants.

168 Funny how the resident gay blogger at Ace of Spades thinks Rick Perry is dumb to go after those crazy conservatives who read the Bible.  Even funnier how he tries to cloak his bias in faux, pundit-esque objectivity.

169
-Perry: "a constitutional amendment that would allow our children to pray in school any time that they would like"
-Gabriel Malor: "organized prayer in public schools"
 

Students are already allowed to pray in public schools, as long as it's not organized prayer. They're restricted by the Supreme Court from engaging in organized prayer. To the extent you are suggesting that Perry doesn't know that students can already pray in public schools as long as they're not organized, you're giving Perry less credit than I am.

170 This would allow them to organize.  Which would also fall under the Free Exercise Clause.

171 Or rather it would tell the Federal Government that they have no right to tell the students they don't have the right to organize.

172 Ditto on the observation that the only press coverage Perry gets is negative now.  The MSM have decided he's done for.  They may be right or they may be fulfillilling their interpretation.  Perry's poor start appears to have done him in.  If Newt or Mitt implode, Perry won't rise with the GOP Establishment or the MSM, it will be " GOP in turmoil, conservatives look to Dr. Paul or third party"...   ... and I hope I'm wrong about Perry.  He is coming across now like I've never seen him, and his message is suffering.

173 Gabriel: you need to quit using the passive voice with "organized". It matters whether the teachers are organizing it, or the students, or some pastor down the road.

174 *puts on flame suit

I in Iowa and I don't think this is as far from what socons in Iowa  (the caucus goers anywhere but the east border) are thinking about.  Remember -- they picked Huckabee.....just saying. 

175 If Perry were a non-entity, the MSM wouldn't waste the ink on him.

They know that "not-Mitt" is still an issue as is the concern over Newt's past and temperament. Paul is not viable. That leaves Perry.

Their attacks are preemptive.

176 Funny how the resident gay blogger at Ace of Spades thinks Rick Perry is dumb to go after those crazy conservatives who read the Bible.  Even funnier how he tries to cloak his bias in faux, pundit-esque objectivity.

WTH does his being gay have to do with this?

177

Can we just stop dicking around with the Constitution?  Put strict constructionists on the court, but don't give them any more amendments to misinterpret.  If the Constitution needs amending, let's not do it for this socio-con crap.

178

Give him a few more weeks and he'll repeal the whole Constitution and replace it with his own.  Let's see, what has Perry offered up that he could actually accomplish?

 

NOTHING, NADA, NOTHING AT ALL.  He's an empty suit running for President.  Promises to support everything that he can't accomplish and fails to offer up any ideas that he could accomplish.

Let's see if he could balance a budget without gimmicks, Yes, that is right, in order to balance the budget in Texas he had to do the same thing with laugh at the Dems for doing....24 months of revenue, but only having 22 months of expenses.... or rather, holding out a government payment for one day to make it the problem of the next administration's budget.

Just like his campaign, end of the reporting period comes around, he reports a lot of cash on hand.....because he held off expenses for a couple days so he wouldn't have to report them at that point in time.

179 Ditto on the observation that the only press coverage Perry gets is negative now.

His press coverage has always been negative.

180 damnit.

I italicized my own comment at 175

181 175 Their attacks are preemptive.

Well, yeah. And since I don't like Perry, I'm fine with that. I object to Gabriel Malor's interpretation here basically because I think he's making a bad argument, and because he's being a weasel. The sentiment is nice but he's making the anti-Perry side look bad.

182 ... which was also my problem with the general Ace Of Spades attacks on Cain.

183 The sentiment is nice but he's making the anti-Perry side look bad.

Awesome. You think I'm making the anti-Perry folks look bad. Chesty LaRue thinks I'm unfairly making Perry look bad.

Sometimes the commenters provide no end of amusement.

184 Perry is toast.  He is obviously just grasping at straws.  None of the stuff he is talking about would have a snowball's chance of passing and the economy is the main concern now anyway. You would think he would be pressing that issue given his performance in Texas.  We are probably stuck with Newt who will lose.  A more horrible field of candidates I have never seen.

185  Y'know what would be great? You guys should find some consensus on whether I'm for or against Perry. And then come ask me what I actually believe. Idiots.

186 Y'know what would be great? You guys should find some consensus on whether I'm for or against Perry. And then come ask me what I actually believe. Idiots.

You can't seriously be a co-blogger here and GAS what folks think about you and your opinion, right?

187 How about this?  Regardless of which side you are on Gabe, on this you're a fucking idiot.  Just like you are many other times.  "Babysitters aren't going to be forced into a union so I'm going to be a dick about changing a headline" ring a bell Mr. Lawyer that can't read a law?

188

Social cons eviscerate themselves arguing these issues nationally when they are really issues to be left to the states.

I going to the debate r you?

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at December 11, 2011 03:00 PM (tHnoW)

So you're saying that removing this social issue from the federal government and putting it in the hands of the states and local authorities is the way to go?  Glad to see you support Perry's position.

189 Perry needs to stay viable until it's a three man race.  If that means some pandering in the early states, I'd expect him to do it.  The only Republican candidate that doesn't appear to be pandering to some part of the base right now is Romney, and he's stuck in the 20's. 

Maybe that's not a coincidence.

190 Schools shouldn't be indoctrination mills of any kind.  If you want to have prayer, go to a private school.  Home school.  Schools can't even each reading and math, now we want them to teach morals too?  Utterly stupid.

191 @193
Yep.

192 I prefer a candidate that is willing to take on Obama, not pander to the far right social cons.

As a far right social con, I want one that will do both.

193

Constitutional amendments are a way of 'putting it before the people' to decide. ....So I see this as Perry being consistent with his stong 10th amendment outlook.

*shrugs*

If the people don't want these amendments, they won't pass. It's that simple, isn't it?

I'm still voting for Perry....and praying for a miracle. He did good in the debate last night, and did good with Chris Wallace this morning. So this was encouraging.

194 Having lived near Dearborn Michgan where prayer in public school is mandatory (it is an all muslm city), there is the chance that Perry only wants to guarantee the same rights to Christian children.

195

For the record, cousin Viggo and I both descend from John Hopkins and Jane Strong.  That's on his mother's English/American side.

Anyone who wants to see Kate Winslet naked need only fast forward through any of her movies from the last 10 years.  I swear the only thing she's done without getting naked is a 30-second perfume commercial.

196

there is the chance that Perry only wants to guarantee the same rights to Christian children.

Yes.  Since coaches are not allowed to bow their heads in prayer, nor can traditional Christmas songs be played/sung at the "Winter Concerts,"  can someone explain how those rules square with the  "... or prohibiting the free exercise therof; ..." part of the First Amendment. 

My poor understanding being that states and subdivisions thereof cannot enact laws more restrictive on our enumerated rights than what the Constitution allows.

Maybe Perry is laying out to the voters all the things he believes in and stands for, since he is so "unknown" outside of Texas.

197 I'm still voting for Perry....and praying for a miracle. He did good in the debate last night, and did good with Chris Wallace this morning. So this was encouraging.
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And CNN, of all places, said that Perry had the biggest round of applause at the Iowa Veterans Forum yesterday (before the debate).  Plus, he has another ad out of veterans supporting him. 

198 I don't think pushing for prayer in public school is a good idea simply because i don't want them turning into madrassas and we all know that's what would happen. No doubt bigotry towards Christians is on the rise in this country, but conservatives would be better served simply pointing out the bigotry rather than gimmicks like this.

As for public schools, conservatives should just abandon them, point out how horrible they are and that dems and their unions are responsible for it and push to allow kids the right to get out of that hell hole.

199 Oh, congress meeting every other year is a great idea though, believe it or not people can get by without politicians, we've been doing it here in Texas for quite a while.

200 I am a liberal SCFO a miserable failure. I am voting for Obama.

201 Maybe Perry is laying out to the voters all the things he believes in and stands for, since he is so "unknown" outside of Texas.

This is the direction I'm leaning. I believe it is less a matter of pandering than an expression of his own beliefs.

202 As for public schools, conservatives should just abandon them, point out how horrible they are and that dems and their unions are responsible for it and push to allow kids the right to get out of that hell hole.

Th one thing about which I agree with Boortz: Government schools

203 This just in, Rick Perry believes that prayer in school is unconstitutional.

204 Phony Vic, Stop sockpuppeting.

205 Thanks ace.

206 And the Colts cover!

207 wrong thread

208

and an amendment giving Congress a veto of Supreme Court decisions.

Had not heard of this proposal until this post.  Did AoSHQ hash this out a long time ago in a post far, far away?

I believe Congress already has this power in the form of, 1) enacting another bit a legislation, or 2) with 2/3 of both houses propose a Constitutional Amendment.  Tough to do, but there it is.  I would hope that, unlike the recent experiences some of the states had with amending their state constitutions, that a US Congress-led constitutional amendment would not be deemed unconstitutional.

209 Perry is still running? Who knew?

210

203....And CNN, of all places, said that Perry had the biggest round of applause at the Iowa Veterans Forum yesterday (before the debate). Plus, he has another ad out of veterans supporting him.

Thanks, Y-not. I don't watch CNN hardly at all, so I didn't know that. Wow.

Perry also has the Veterans for Perry Coalition now, working to help get more support for him. I was glad to see that.

211

What a ridiculous idea.  Desperate pandering to the evangical vote.  Even if passed, what sort of prayer are they to recite?  Episcopal?  Jewish?  Wiccan?

 

I agree with the sentiments of those who believe that Christians and others of faith simply abandon public schools and push for school vouchers.

 

212 Rick Perry won the debate last night.

213

219Rick Perry won the debate last night.

 

Newt won I think.  If Perry manages more than a two percent uptick in his poll-standings, then I'll rethink my assessment of the debate.

 

This Constitional Amendment nonsense should seal it for all serious thinking people. 

 

214 I really want to like Perry and to be able to support him, based on his record. It was encouraging to see him have a good debate last night. However, statements like this one make it impossible for me to take him seriously and to hope for a comeback for him. He's sounding like the guy running for student body president who promises that if he's elected, he'll enact longer recess periods and make sure there's ice cream at lunch every day. It makes me question his judgment, and makes it very hard to take him seriously as a candidate for POTUS. As much as I am for allowing prayer in public schools, this stuff comes off as pure pandering and grasping at straws.

215 This morning on Fox News Sunday, Governor Perry proposed a constitutional amendment to allow organized prayer in public schools.

Not a good idea.

And I say this as a regular Sunday churchgoer.

216 and an amendment giving Congress a veto of Supreme Court decisions.

> Had not heard of this proposal until this post.  Did AoSHQ hash this out a long time ago in a post far, far away?


I don't think we've written about it before. It's from his book.

"[A]llow Congress to override the Supreme Court with a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate, which risks increased politicization of judicial decisions, but also has the benefit of letting the people stop the Court from unilaterally deciding policy."

217 Arguably pertinent factoid: Since the current Texas state constitution was adopted in 1876 (post-Reconstruction), the Texas Legislature has proposed 653 amendments, of which Texas voters have approved 474 and rejected 179. Gov. Perry has been prominently involved in some recent controversial amendments, most notably Prop 12 in 2003, which un-did a populist Texas Supreme Court ruling that had interpreted the state constitution to prevent the legislature from enacting damage caps as part of tort reform efforts. But on Fox News Sunday today, Gov. Perry volunteered that he hasn't "memorized" (i.e., doesn't know) the names of the nine current Justices on the U.S. Supreme Court. It's possible that he may also not be terribly current on just how much harder it is to amend the U.S. Constitution than it is to amend the Texas state constitution. Charitably, Gov. Perry is a hedgehog who knows one or two really important things. Foxes Gingrich and Romney seem to be fighting for traction against each other, and the other briefly-a-front-runner hedgehog, Herman Cain, has retreated into his burrow.

218 "I going to the debate r you?

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at December 11, 2011 03:00 PM (tHnoW)

One is SC?  Yes, I ('m) going.  Not the $1500 seats though....way, way, way, way, way, back in the ice age seats. Prolly standing up in front of the the paul hecklers -- my luck and all. 

219

I don't think we've written about it before. It's from his book.

"[A]llow Congress to override the Supreme Court with a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate, which risks increased politicization of judicial decisions, but also has the benefit of letting the people stop the Court from unilaterally deciding policy."

If Congress could get to a 2/3 vote in both houses (unlikely), then go ahead and propose a constitutional amendment for the states to ratify.  Fix it at the source.

220

"On paper", Perry should have been everything a Republican candidate needed to be. Long experience running a big government. Relatively low unemployment in his state. I was open-minded and hopeful.

But what I saw was a guy with an unpresidential (sometimes downright goofball) manner, and no Big Ideas, or meaningful charisma. Now he comes up with this mean-spirited gay-bashing, and then this goofball assault on separation of Church and State (a self-destructive fixation of the Religious Right - they can't help themselves, I guess).

At this point, I'm really glad the guy is falling by the wayside.

Now we're left with who? Newt? Deja vu! He's got the Big Idea possibilities, but he's another problematic recycled old Republican and he's always getting himself into trouble. Romney? The grandfather of ObamaCare?? Yikes! Ron Paul, with the insane foreign policy ideals?

This is the Republicans election to lose, and if I were a Democrat I would take some solice in their ability to do just that.

221

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228 @194 Schools shouldn't be indoctrination mills of any kind.  If you want to have prayer, go to a private school.  Home school.  Schools can't even each reading and math, now we want them to teach morals too?  Utterly stupid.

Good point.  Groups like Campus Crusade for Christ at college campuses do quite well without the help of a constitutional amendment.

229 Wow, they travel in packs, those Wolves of the Beyond...

230 Christianity in particular seems to thrive under duress... just take a look at China, where millions are converting and joining house churches, and the government can't seem to keep a lid on it.  Meanwhile, official government support of Christianity seems to make it wither... just take a look at Europe and their state-sponsored churches.

Pardon me if I prefer the former to the latter.

231 Let me clarify--I do NOT want to be put under duress for my faith!!  (Of course, if it comes to that, it comes to that.)  I'm just saying official government approval or support seems to have a weakening affect on Christianity, which we should strive to avoid.

232 Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," the Republican presidential hopeful went a step further than his previous calls for the Supreme Court to reverse its 1962 decision that banned organized prayer in public schools.

Perry said he would support "a constitutional amendment that would allow our children to pray in school any time that they would like."

so is it up to the School, the teacher or the child?