1
Green Energy is not gonna like this.

2 There are your most common clean workers: the garbage man and the bus driver. Drivers of empty buses and light rail around here.

3
Do not blaspheme Green Energy.

4 This is one of those "The sky is blue" posts

dog bites man...

5

When will the irony end?  SCOAMFÂ’s entire ideology is like a bad disaster movie.

6 The only 'green' in this agenda is the color of envy.  Can't compete?  Get Buddy Barry to cut your rivals off at the knees.

"Green jobs."  Hah!

7 I'd sure like to read Solyndra's applications for those loans. I'd like to see their assertions that they predicted, honestly, that they believed their business model would bring them into the black in a short number of years. 1. Make panels for $6. 2. Try to sell panels for $3 3. Watch Chinese sell panels for $1.50 4. ... 5. Profit!

8 Let's look inside a San Fran Bus:   one driver ( 250+ lbs ) two or three passengers ( one fully conscious ).       yea !!!!!

9 Since joining the ranks of the fun-employed my day begins by scouring all the job postings on various boards. The IN.gov employment site keeps listing a job for a cashier at the Goodwill. This, apparently, is a "green job." What a scam.

10 Green energy is union energy, isn't it? Municipal garbage workers and bus drivers. Funny, that.

11 Since we haul so much stuff to the recycling center, we're down to just one garbage can full of trash each week.

We contacted Waste Management to have our pick-up changed from two days a week to one.

WM informed us that it would cost us more to cut our pick-up in half.

12

What evidence do you have that government can create jobs for which there is little or no current market demand?

Elementary, my dear Ace.  If you make oil, natural gas, and nuclear energy more expensive, so much that your electricity bills will "skyrocket" then...profit! 

13 It'd be really funny if this were a movie or sitcom, but it's not.  It's the American WAY of LIFE this assho*e is fuc*ing with.

Obama.Must.Go.

14

I don't think it's been said yet, so for the record:

Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

15 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

I really love that most "green" jobs are, um, brown.  Or, as it may be "sea foam."

16

losing $535 million (over a half billion) in federal loans to a political donor's nothing-but-subsidies fake 'business.'"

He didn't lose it, silly.  It was payback for 2008 donations to OFA, plus a little extra to cover 2012 donations to OFA.

17

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 01, 2011 03:05 PM (UOM4

Reminds me of that Bullshit! episode about recycling.

18

There was a ratio that was published last year....of the jobs killed for every green job that was created.

It was something like 4 to 1....four-regular-jobs killed for every one-green-job.

I'll bet that ratio is even higher now.

19
I just learned something.

When a black man says that you want to lynch him, he means that he wants you and he to "work together" and "create jobs."

Andre Carson said so.

20 We need a new euphemism for EPIC FAIL, since the Obama administration has moved several orders of magnitude beyond what EPIC FAIL stood for.  And a new way to show FACEPALM.

21 "U.S. Bureau of Reclamation".  Is this for real?

22 I mentioned on a thread the other day that my brother sells and installs solar stuff, mostly pool and water heaters.  He's been doing it for 20 years.  His  green job requires him to drive a large diesel service truck whenever he goes out on a call.  He has also had more than one photovoltaic system given to him if he'd just take it off the roof, so, the photovoltaic system he plans to use to power the AC for part of his house is cost effective for him.  Because he didn't have to buy it and he got paid for removing it from someone else's house.

23 Okay, someone (as a joke, but one of those jokes where you see if the other guy will take you seriously) should apply for some of that sweet, sweet government cheese based on the following "green" energy design.

"A device for converting mechanical energy, produced by manual application of force, to electrical energy." (That would be patent type language) And then say you need A half-million dollars and you'd employ 6 thousand union workers.

At which point you'd put hook up a bunch of exercise bikes to a generator, and have about 1000 guys pedaling all at one time (the 6 thousand is to factor in for breaks and shift changes and such).

24 The cast of the NBC show Parks and Recreation are actually classified as green jobs

25

[Discuss the stuttering cluster***k of a miserable failure]

Hi, it's me again. 

26 Posted by: EC at September 01, 2011 03:09 PM (GQ8sn)

How about the "O Face?"

Wait, no, that's taken...

27 We contacted Waste Management to have our pick-up changed from two days a week to one.

WM informed us that it would cost us more to cut our pick-up in half.

=================

Start throwing away rocks.

28

SCOGJF

Stuttering Clusterf*ck of a Green Jobs Failure

29 At which point you'd put hook up a bunch of exercise bikes to a generator, and have about 1000 guys pedaling all at one time (the 6 thousand is to factor in for breaks and shift changes and such).

Brilliant!  Would help make inroads into that obesity problem too, so I'm sure we can get M'ch'll' to back it too!

Meanwhile, in the land of OT, it appears we're even outsourcing meth production now.  Cast and crew of "Breaking Bad" hardest hit...

30 I'd sure like to read Solyndra's applications for those loans. Me, too. Because I've got an idea for a billion-dollar company that's sure-fire...

31 How about the "O Face?"

Wait, no, that's taken...


That would've been a great one.

32 Let's see, maybe I'll open a small green business. Here's my business model: 1. Propose a "green" technology that will require extensive research and investment to implement. Extra points if the proposed technology violates the laws of thermodynamics. 2. Say that the planning stage can only be implemented from the cushiest offices I can find. And I think better when I have a hot secretary too. 3. Obtain ObamaBucks from some agency or other; it doesn't really matter which once since they've all got "green" initiative money to spend. 4. Play video games. Chat up hot secretary. Write up findings, which are "Nope, can't get something for nothing. But it was an important study!" 5. Disappear into the night, lie low for 3 or 4 months, repeat process.

33

13 It'd be really funny if this were a movie or sitcom, but it's not.  It's the American WAY of LIFE this assho*e is fuc*ing with.

Does anyone else remember the awful, ill-fated sitcom the Comedy Channel (or was it Cartoon Network?) created about Dubya?  It was called something stupid; "That's My Bush" I think?  Sounds lowbrow enough, so I think that's it.  Needless to say, the lefty entertainment world thought it was FABULOUS, just like they thought movies and stageplays depicting the assassination of a sitting president were also FABULOUS. 

I wonder what they'd say if the anemic (but increasingly vocal) conservative faction of the entertainment industry were to put together some kind of sitcom - web-based, b/c no way in hell would any network buy it - based on the SCOAMF's torturously SCOAMFed presidency.  You wouldn't even need to do much scriptwriting.  Just take actual text from actual speeches, press conferences, and press briefings and incorporate them into the dialogue.  It'd be the single funniest thing to happen to the world of situational comedy since Rose Nylon first waxed lyrical about St. Olafm, MN.

34

At which point you'd put hook up a bunch of exercise bikes to a generator

That wasn't where I thought you were going with that. 

35 2% of all jobs are supposedly "Green Jobs." Green Jobs? Is that what the kids call it nowadays? Well, at least... it came ... at only 2%. Still, I can't swallow that.

36 More bad news:

Key quote, “If you connect about 10 per cent of the homes on any given street with an electric car, the electricity system fails,” he said recently.

37 Obama should ask James Cameron if he has any spare unobtanium lying around from his Avatar shoot.

38 **I'd sure like to read Solyndra's applications for those loans. I'd like to see their assertions that they predicted, honestly, that they believed their business model would bring them into the black in a short number of years.** One big job of the GOP now and post-2012 is cleaning up this mess. People need to go to jail.

39 Heh. Green jobs. More like Red jobs.

40 Posted by: alexthechick at September 01, 2011 03:14 PM (VtjlW)

I also considered one of those big mill-wheels like you see in movies or tv-shows where several large, strapping young men are pushing them around- you know, like oxen had been doing since about the time someone figured out how that process would work.

41 It is funny that most of green jobs are actually tony soprano-ish garbage collection gigs. The mafia is the democrat party's organized crime arm, after all.

42 Meanwhile, in the land of OT, it appears we're even outsourcing meth production now.  Cast and crew of "Breaking Bad" hardest hit...

Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at September 01, 2011 03:13 PM (GBXon)

Well, to be fair, 90% of the meth consumed in the US comes from (or thru) Mexico.  Only about 10% is produced domestically. 

...I don't know that that has anything to do with anything, but those years I worked in drug prevention bureaucracy have to count for SOMETHING.

43 Glacier the size of Manhattan breaks off of Greenland.  You conservatives are being fed information by biased sources..I know u think the Media is liberal, but scientists, on the whole are objective/apolitical....man made global warming is here...time to take heads out of sand, guys

44 Are wind energy jobs considered green jobs?

45 The SCOAMF's super secret jobs plan:

1. Spend more money
2. ?
3. Ponies for everyone !

46 Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 01, 2011 03:15 PM (jx2j9)

Bwaaahahahaha!

That's fantastic.

47 27

[Discuss the stuttering cluster***k of a miserable failure]

Hi, it's me again.

Posted by: The f*cking asterisk at September 01, 2011 03:12 PM (SCcgT)

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I think Asterisks are racist because they facilitate job discrimination against the letters 'f', 'u' and 'c'. 

48 45 Troll Alert

49 Posted by: walter at September 01, 2011 03:18 PM (oA4y0)

You know that Greenland wasn't actually always covered in ice, don't you?

50 scientists, on the whole are objective/apolitical

Come over and have a seat.

Just have a seat.

51 @45, dumbass troll, I wouldn't respond but I figure I would blow you mind with this response: When a glacier breaks off a chunk, it's because the glacier grew. That is, during warm weather, glaciers and ice recede (sure they may leave behind larger chunks that got trapped during the freeze), but the upshot of the points I made is that big pieces breaking off is a function of growth, not some sort of mythical, wish-based warming.

52 45 Glacier the size of Manhattan breaks off of Greenland.  You conservatives are being fed information by biased sources..I know u think the Media is liberal, but scientists, on the whole are objective/apolitical....man made global warming is here...time to take heads out of sand, guys

Posted by: walter at September 01, 2011 03:18 PM (oA4y0)

How long did it take Gore to crack that piece of ice off by jumping up and down on it?  That's probably the hardest work he's ever done.

53 Any of you morons driving through or flown over the wind farms of west Texas?  What a nightmare!  Flashing strobe lights all over the place.  Really bright ones.  It's got to be driving farmers insane.

54 My cousin is a pot deale...uh, I mean an "undocumented herbal pharmacist". Does that constitute a "Green" job?

55

Key quote, “If you connect about 10 per cent of the homes on any given street with an electric car, the electricity system fails,” he said recently.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 01, 2011 03:15 PM (jx2j9)

THIS is what drives me nuts about electric cars!   Where the hell do you think the electricity comes from to charge your electric car when you plug it in, stupid greenies?  It doesn't come out of thin air!  It has to be gen-e-ra-ted some-where.  You know what that means?  Your trendy little cutesy Leaf is making some power plant somewhere burn more coal than it was before, because of you.

("But no!" the greenies cry.  "For electric cars are powered by love, sunshine, and unicorn kisses!"

"And from Obama's electricity stash!" Peggy Joseph adds.)

56 Yes, there is warming. There has been warming in the past. There has been cooling in the past. There will be cooling in the future. Ice floes will break off and float away. Shit will happen, and has. This occurred before man even started evolving and will continue when we have been replaced by intelligent cockroaches. Repeat after me: The human contribution to warming is negligible compared to the natural contribution and crippling our economy will not make a whit of difference in warming. Not. A. Whit.

57 Posted by: walter at September 01, 2011 03:18 PM (oA4y0)

Waitwaitwait.  We were told all this winter (remember, the long, cold winter that we had this year?  Or the one the year before that?) that weather != climate and a single event can't prove or disprove the theory.

So, has that changed?

Also, you know we have the term "calving" in relationship to glaciers for a reason, right?

58 OT: Just went for a run on the path the greentards had a conniption fit to get built.

Saw two separate city workers on "cleanup" duty walk past the same pile of dogshit  right in the middle of the jogging lane without bending over to get it.

Are they waiting for CSI Burbank to show up and identify the dog? WTF?

The two zombies are just out there walking back and forth carrying tools and not actually even doing anything.

Probably making $80,000 a year plus bennies.

59 I must leave the cork on the fork.

60 but scientists, on the whole are objective/apolitical

Climate "scientists" sure as shit aren't.

61 Posted by: Dang at September 01, 2011 03:21 PM (TXKVh)

Actually they love it.  They're leasing that land just like people lease the mineral rights to their property to natural gas/oil companies.  Money.  In.  The.  Bank.

62 Your trendy little cutesy Leaf is making some power plant somewhere burn more coal than it was before, because of you.

Factoring in efficiency, every watt that goes into your shiny electric vehicle required 1.2 watts at the power plant.

That assumes a very efficient system.

63 55 Any of you morons driving through or flown over the wind farms of west Texas?  What a nightmare!  Flashing strobe lights all over the place.  Really bright ones.  It's got to be driving farmers insane.

Posted by: Dang at September 01, 2011 03:21 PM (TXKVh)

You think the farmers have it bad, lemme tell ya about it!

64 >>Actually they love it. They're leasing that land just like people lease the mineral rights to their property to natural gas/oil companies. Money. In. The. Bank. How's the power grid liking it? Texas has more wind power than any other state and it's not close.

65 Glacier the size of Manhattan breaks off of Greenland.

Doesn't interest me unless Manhattan is under it when it falls.

66 Isn't green the color of intermediate human decomposition?  Probably stinks like shit, too. 

67 Here's your apolitical climate scientist, walter.

Now go get your shine box.

68

I did consulting work for a different solar company in Fremont, near Solyndra, and having built their business model I can say that it is possible for them to turn a profit based on several things, but holy shit how did they spend that much money?

 

The biggest factor for the company I saw (and would be true for every other one) is better efficiency in their cells. Everyone says they can theoretically do it but they keep banging against limits and not breaking through.

The other factor for this company was manufacturing everything in China, taking advantage of low interest loans here and tax holidays there. The green jobs here in California was about 2 dozen people, mostly engineers, that was going to expand to maybe 50 people in the U.S. once production got rolling. China would have gained 300+ jobs.

69 Actually they love it.  They're leasing that land just like people lease the mineral rights to their property to natural gas/oil companies.  Money.  In.  The.  Bank.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 01, 2011 03:24 PM

Gotta be easier than actually farming in West Texas.

70  lacier the size of Manhattan breaks off of Greenland.  You conservatives are being fed information by biased sources..I know u think the Media is liberal, but scientists, on the whole are objective/apolitical....man made global warming is here...time to take heads out of sand, guys

Posted by: walter

Dick Cheney broke it off clubbing the ever-loving cuteness (and brains) out of a baby seal.  Then he ate the sweet,  sweet blubber raw and left the rest to rot.

71  Psst.  Walter.  Keep your eye on me.  I'm kind of a big deal around here.

72

Before we all start jumping on Walter, are we sure he is not a sock?  His comment contains too few exclamation points and absolutely no bold font, which is unusual for an actual, genuine troll. 

Though the use of "u" instead of "you" in the third sentence does seem to be a dead giveaway that this is real troll.  As does the switch between using standard punctuation between the first two sentences to using wonky ellipses thereafter.

73 I don't want to trivialize, but according to this WSJ Article, the cost is/was $390.5 million—73% of the loans.. Not the full $535 million.

Just to set the record straight.

74

Some questions for a President...

You mean "Some questions for a Republican President".  With a Democrat, the MFM won't even use that tone of voice, much less ask those questions!

75 the cost is/was $390.5 million—73% of the loans.. Not the full $535 million.

Can I have the rest?

76

Some questions for a President...

You mean "Some questions for a Republican President".  With a Democrat, the MFM won't even use that tone of voice, much less ask those questions!

Posted by: sherlock at September 01, 2011 03:29 PM (s0hlt)

I don't know.  Sometimes that Jake Tapper guy shows brief flashes of journalistic integrity and actually asks a tough question.  Maybe if we slipped him a quaalude or something we could force him into one of those rare lucid moments.

77 55 Any of you morons driving through or flown over the wind farms of west Texas? What a nightmare! Flashing strobe lights all over the place. Really bright ones. It's got to be driving farmers insane.

Posted by: Dang at September 01, 2011 03:21 PM (TXKVh)

---------

I can only imagine what kind of carnage lies below those things......in bodies of dead birds and bats.

In addition to the tragedy of whacking bird's wings and heads off.....those prop-swinger designs are antiquated and high-maintenance, compared to the newer Helix design of wind generators.

The Helix designs are viewed as a 'solid' so the flying critters avoid them. And the design does not vibrate itself to death or self destruct in high winds. But then GE doesn't build the helix design wind generators, so.... 

78 Glacier the size of Manhattan breaks off of Greenland.

Doesn't interest me unless Manhattan is under it when it falls.

The SCOAMF told us he'd stop the seas from rising so I don't see that we've got a problem here.

79 OT

Anyone watching Megan Kelly?  In her discussion on Chaz Bono, she said "It's amazing how brave the transgendered are! They have to endure so much discrimination..." etc, etc..

Having your dick cut off, or your clit stretched and rolled up 'into a penis' so you can play pretend games of 'lets be the opposite sex for awhile' is a choice.  It in no way compares to skin color, or how big your nose is, or eye color 'crazy eyes Bachmann', or anything else.  (Thats right.. having baby blues are crazy eyes now)

I think Megan Kelly is saying what she thinks she should say here.  She lives in the proverbial 'ivory tower' of good looks, much in the way we accuse Mercedes Marxists of being the same.  Like when Arriana Huffington says insane things now and sounds like a Stalinist most of the time, when in real life, she was a conservative, married Michael Huffington who she knew was gay just for the money and divorced him in the no-fault divorce state of CA where she got half his money (i'm shocked, shocked to find he was gay!1!!).  Now she feels guilty and is saying what she thinks she needs to say to sleep at night.  She's a cut-throat who'd sell her own Mother down the river if she would benefit from it

80 Reminds me of that Bullshit! episode about recycling.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 01, 2011 03:07 PM (9hSKh)

Good call!  Reminds me of that too.  Classic episode.

81 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

82 I'd sure like to read Solyndra's applications for those loans. I'd like to see their assertions that they predicted, honestly, that they believed their business model would bring them into the black in a short number of years.

The same guys that wrote those applications moved on and wrote the intervention plans for Libya -- "days, not weeks..."

83 Glacier the size of Manhattan breaks off of Greenland.

Who gives a sh*t? Glaciers form and glaciers break. That's what glaciers do. Now kindly go f*ck yourself with an ice sculpture of a pineapple.

84 Can I have the rest?
Posted by: sifty at September 01, 2011 03:30

Sure,

If you share it with the rest of us.

85 I'd sure like to read Solyndra's applications for those loans. I'd like to see their assertions that they predicted, honestly, that they believed their business model would bring them into the black in a short number of years.

Congress has tried to get this information via subpoena. Does anyone know if heading into bankruptcy freezes emails and other correspondence so it can't be obtained?

86 Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2011 03:25 PM (TMB3S)

West Texas is just fine.  The problem is that there's no population density out there, and no energy pipeline sufficient to send all that energy back east, where it's needed.

87

I'd sure like to read Solyndra's applications for those loans. I'd like to see their assertions that they predicted, honestly, that they believed their business model would bring them into the black in a short number of years.

I'll bet they read like Chris Dodd's mortgage application with Coutrywide.

88 _{Congress has tried to get this information via subpoena. Does anyone know if heading into bankruptcy freezes emails and other correspondence so it can't be obtained?}

The Feds can get what records they want from a business. Always.
If they exist, they can get them.

Solyndra was just a dummy corp to bundle cash, make photo ops, and launder money.

89 Regarding the jobs issue - I was on this rant a couple weeks ago on Google+ and over at Doubleplusundead.  What we need aren't "Green Energy Jobs"  it's just energy jobs.  I am not an economist but from what I see one of the things (in my opinion a major factor) holding back the economy from recovering is the cost of energy.  It's a feedback loop companies begin hiring and then energy prices go up bringing the hiring etc.  to a screeching halt or in the very near future a reversal.  The biggest jobs program that Obama could implement is to get rid of Ken Salazar followed quickly by that idiot at the DoE.

90

"I'd sure like to read Solyndra's applications for those loans. I'd like to see their assertions that they predicted, honestly, that they believed their business model would bring them into the black in a short number of years."

But Rick Perry is a Jesus Freak and the Tea Party is racist.

And Gibson guitars, specifically the SG, are also racist.

91

Hmmmm... $535 million in federal loan guarantees to Solyndra for the stated purpose (stated by none other than BHO) of "creating jobs."   But this plant according to the press reports had a total of 1,100 jobs.   

Now maybe I'm just a silly right wing nut job -- to have the audacity to subject a government program to the analytical laser of basic fucking arithmetic -- but $535 million divided by 1,100 is just shy of $500,000 per job!   Assuming that, since the stimulus was paid out, the average employee there got $50K a year for two years, that means that someone else stole something like $400 million.   Hmmmmm....

The government would have done better giving $100,000 grants to 5,000 people who can show that they can match that investment with personal funds to start small businesses, and then gotten out of the way and let them go ahead and try.   If 1% make it, you've got 50 small businesses who might actually hire new employees.  

Or, better still, just leave that $535 million in tax dollars in the private economy and let whoever earned it decide how to spend it.   Who knows?   Maybe they'd start small businesses with their own money, and not need a government grant to do it.

But neither a "small ball" approach nor a free market approach wouldn't allow Obama to line the pockets of his rich donors.    

Obama '12:  We're Not Just Socialists, We're Corrupt Too!

 

92

Or:  

Obama '12:  Good Thing It's Not Our Money!

93

Or:

Obama '12:  Success Is Racist... Let's Subsidize Losers!

94 Bus drivers and sewer workers? Sounds like The Honeymooners. Wow, even '50s sitcoms are pushing the green agenda.

95

Or:

Obama '12: It's the Chicago Way... It's Just Greener This Time!

96

Or:

Obama '12:  Still Mau-Mauing the Flak-Catchers... But This Time We're Green!

97

Or:

Obama '12:  The Color of Money... Surprise, It's Green!

Sorry, I'll stop now.

98 Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs is always saying that many of the most important "green" jobs are really "brown" jobs, the jobs done by folks who do big cleanups and waste handling--dirty jobs.

99

Is this the reason he moved his speech back a week?  Did he have a 'heads-up' that this repudiation of his 'green jobs' initiative was going to break just as he unveiled his massive "plan"?

I question the timing...

100 "... I'd sure like to read Solyndra's applications for those loans. I'd like to see their assertions that they predicted, honestly, that they believed their business model would bring them into the black in a short number of years."
= = = = =

And just for grins, I'd sure like to know what the executives of this company were being paid (salaries and perks and bonuses and anything else).

It might be verrrry enlightening to those of us in flyover country, whose taxes were used for this half-a-billion-dollar "loan" that will now never be repaid.  (Over a million dollars was used for lobbying, as I understand it; and tens of thousands of dollars went back to Washington DC as donations to various Dem candidates.  How nice.  EXACTLY how I would have spent my money if it had been left in my pocket instead of being taxed away by the IRS -- NOT!)

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