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September 06, 2011

Gunman Murders Three At IHOP in Carson City, Nevada
— Ace

He also committed suicide, and I absolutely hate it when a headline includes the perp's death in the numbering of the dead.

Three people were murdered, and one psychopath offed himself. Let's not confuse things.

He shot more people than he killed -- initial reports were 9 to 13 but I don't know what the latest numbers are.

Police have not disclosed a motive for the shooting.
Ralph Swagler, who owns a Locals Barbecue in the strip mall, told the Reno Gazette-Journal that he saw a man pull up outside the IHOP in a blue minivan. Swagler said the man, who was carrying a rifle, shot a man on a motorcycle. The gunman then walked into the IHOP and started shooting. The gunman also fired at the Locals Barbecue, hitting the restaurant's windows.
The Reno Journal-Gazette was reporting that two of the people killed were National Guard members in uniform.

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1 thoughts and prayers....

wonder when we'll get the name so we can reverse engineer likely motive?

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 12:42 PM (AEIYh)

2 Not disclosed a motive? Hmm, let me think . . . .

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at September 06, 2011 12:42 PM (qwK3S)

3 Probably some TEA PARTY clowns that support Palin or Perry.............

Posted by: LaQuisha Johnston at September 06, 2011 12:43 PM (48wze)

4 When the cops have one of the shooters on ice and he's referred to as "a man" or "one of the suspects" you know they have preliminary info that it wasn't someone who fits the MBM profile of a tea party member

Posted by: kbdabear at September 06, 2011 12:43 PM (Y+DPZ)

5 Look at what Obama and Hoffa's climate of hate and war has produced. Those two should be arrested for inciting these murders.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 06, 2011 12:43 PM (QxSug)

6
No joke: sounds like a postal worker

just my gut feeling

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 06, 2011 12:43 PM (sqkOB)

7 ...and the local MSFM is also reporting it as an "automatic weapon". Sounds like a pissed off nutter ex-employee, from what the Sacramento news stations are reporting. Carson City is just outside Reno. Podunk town mostly known because of tha Bonanza TV show.

Posted by: Gromulin at September 06, 2011 12:44 PM (7FA9S)

8 Wouldn't give me the damn booster seat!

Posted by: Dr AMY Bishop at September 06, 2011 12:44 PM (Y+DPZ)

9 Was the gun registered?

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 06, 2011 12:44 PM (ABrjU)

10 6 soothssayer,

well they are under a lot of stress right now....left unaided they will lose 120,000 jobs .....

hope not but....

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 12:45 PM (AEIYh)

11 I heard there were like 42 shootings in NYC over Labor Day Weekend. Wow.

Posted by: Dave at September 06, 2011 12:45 PM (Xm1aB)

I just saw the headline on that and my thought was "oh no someone else died". I agree, do not include the killer in the number of the dead.

Posted by: alexthechick at September 06, 2011 12:45 PM (VtjlW)

13 7 ...and the local MSFM is also reporting it as an "automatic weapon". Sounds like a pissed off nutter ex-employee, from what the Sacramento news stations are reporting. Carson City is just outside Reno. Podunk town mostly known because of tha Bonanza TV show. Shit I grew up on Bonanza. Hopefully Hoss is okay. Screw the older balding one that left for his acting career. Homo.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 12:45 PM (0M3AQ)

14 5 Look at what Obama Palin, Bachmann and Hoffa's Perry's climate of hate and war has produced. Those two should be arrested for inciting these murders. Posted by: joeindc44 at September 06, 2011 04:43 PM

FIFY

Posted by: The MBM at September 06, 2011 12:46 PM (Y+DPZ)

15 Carson City is just outside Reno. Podunk town mostly known because of tha Bonanza TV show. Posted by: Gromulin at September 06, 2011 04:44 PM (7FA9S) And, you know, the state capitol.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 06, 2011 12:46 PM (bxiXv)

16 " I absolutely hate it when a headline includes the perp's death in the numbering of the dead." Like when those leftard aholes at Virginia Tech included the gunman when ring the bells for each victim. Hell, even his parents were so ashamed they would not have wanted that.

Posted by: mike at September 06, 2011 12:46 PM (RNBJ3)

17 You know, it's a testament to the vileness that is the MFM that my first thought- upon hearing they won't release any information about the shooter- is that he's a Muslim Terrorist.

I know that it's entirely possible he was just some guy who lost it. Heck, maybe he was mad at the slow service he always got at IPLOD. But those always come to mind after 'Muslim Terrorist' unless the MFM releases details. You know like "The gunman, John Skeeterlander, was known to have a grudge against the morning-shift manager..." When they're completely mum, I start wondering "Hmmm. I wonder if this guy is of swarthy complexion and prays 5 times a day."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 06, 2011 12:46 PM (8y9MW)

18 World is going crazy.
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp barbarian

It's day's like this that make me glad alcohol was invented. Seriously, this has been a really crappy one.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at September 06, 2011 12:46 PM (h1p5V)

Did Palin say she was targeting anyone this week?

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 06, 2011 12:47 PM (ABrjU)

20 I'm gonna take a wild guess and opine that he didn't get his blueberry pancakes.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 12:47 PM (0M3AQ)

21 7 Gromulin,

I trust the M$M on good faith in weaponry reporting like I can shot-putt Chris Christie.....

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 12:47 PM (AEIYh)

22 Cult of peace or ticked off employee?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 06, 2011 12:47 PM (fNdyx)

23 14 7 ...and the local MSFM is also reporting it as an "automatic weapon".
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 04:45 PM

Anything quicker than a muzzle loading Kentucky rifle is called an automatic or assault weapon by the MBM

Posted by: kbdabear at September 06, 2011 12:47 PM (Y+DPZ)

24 Reno Gazette -Journal is now reporting that five of those shot at today were National Guard.

Posted by: tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 06, 2011 12:48 PM (iRlbA)

25 Of course the newsies include the killer, he's the one that gave them something to talk about. Honestly I don't know why they do that, but it's probably ideological (like how they always subtract the child from the Ft. Hood totals, because they weren't born yet).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 06, 2011 12:48 PM (bxiXv)

26 you do have to worry about sudden jihad onset syndrome.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 06, 2011 12:48 PM (QxSug)

27 Like when those leftard aholes at Virginia Tech included the gunman when ring the bells for each victim. Hell, even his parents were so ashamed they would not have wanted that.

Or the leftard idiots who erected crosses for all of the Columbine dead, including the three shitstains that committed the atrocity. Sickening. We have completely lost our bearings.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at September 06, 2011 12:48 PM (QKKT0)

28 I've never really understood the term "assault weapon." Isn't that redundant?

Posted by: Dave at September 06, 2011 12:48 PM (Xm1aB)

29 OT: Jags cut Garrard. Anyone who drafted him better hit the waiver-wire.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 06, 2011 12:49 PM (nRTou)

30 I know that it's entirely possible he was just some guy who lost it. Heck, maybe he was mad at the slow service he always got at IPLOD.

I said I wanted breakfast! Whatever happened to "the customer is always right" "

Posted by: Bill "D-Fense" Foster at September 06, 2011 12:49 PM (Y+DPZ)

31 Posted by: Dave at September 06, 2011 04:48 PM (Xm1aB)

It lets them pretend that they're not against the 2nd Amendment.

"See, it's only assault weapons we care about. Those designed for hunting or home defense are just fine!"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 06, 2011 12:50 PM (8y9MW)

32 14 ...and the local MSFM is also reporting it as an "automatic weapon".

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 04:45 PM (0M3AQ)

Yes, but they tend to do that when discussing any weapon that isn't a revolver. A fully automatic weapon in the hands of a loony probably would have resulted in more than 3 deaths. Probably a semiautomatic, but we'll see.

Posted by: joejm65 at September 06, 2011 12:50 PM (UZuc4)

33 Anything quicker than a muzzle loading Kentucky rifle is called an automatic or assault weapon by the MBM Posted by: kbdabear at September 06, 2011 04:47 PM (Y+DPZ) That's a "tea-party favorite large-caliber assault weapon with historical ties to nativist movments" to you.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 06, 2011 12:50 PM (bxiXv)

34 29
I've never really understood the term "assault weapon."

Isn't that redundant? Bad guys have assualt weapons, good guys defensive weapons. See how easy that was? I have no clue what an assualt weapon is and am completely sure no new reporter does either. They just write stuff cause it sounds cool.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 12:50 PM (0M3AQ)

35 I blame this on Jimmy Hoffa Jr.

Posted by: hyperbolicKOS at September 06, 2011 12:50 PM (SWgny)

36 muzzle loading Kentucky rifle

You mean one of them 50 caliber sniper rifles?

Posted by: Bob Saget at September 06, 2011 12:50 PM (F/4zf)

37 Too bad he's dead. I would've loved to have sex with him.

Posted by: Jane Fonda at September 06, 2011 12:51 PM (QKKT0)

38 29 Dave,

not in the original directed military use.....

of course, you can't own an "assault weapon" without paying the tax since it is select fire and all something the donks, M$M, Brady Bunch, et al seem to forget

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 12:51 PM (AEIYh)

39 1:20 p.m.: Five of the nine people shot at the Carson City IHOP this morning were Nevada National Guard members, spokeswoman April Conway said. Two of the three people who died were guard members, Conway said. She would not speculate on a motive by the shooter. "All of our bases in Northern Nevada have stepped up their security," Conway said. "We had planned to do this any way in light of the impending 9/11 (anniversary). This is just one more thing we're going to implement to keep our members safe."

Posted by: tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 06, 2011 12:51 PM (iRlbA)

40 30 OT: Jags cut Garrard. Anyone who drafted him better hit the waiver-wire.
Wow, that is news. Guess he didn't work out so well. Any news on teams that may come courting?

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 12:52 PM (0M3AQ)

41 I used to work near there, and have eaten in that IHOP. That's just craziness. Carson City is a nice city with very little crime and is a decent place to live. Madness that this could happen there, Reno is understandable or Vegas, but not so much Carson City. Burning man just ended yesterday and there's a lot of nutters that hate everything government that drive through those parts on their way back to the bay area...

Posted by: Scott at September 06, 2011 12:52 PM (8uees)

42 Is concealed carry okay in Nevada?

Posted by: Dave at September 06, 2011 12:53 PM (Xm1aB)

43 A fully automatic weapon in the hands of a loony probably would have resulted in more than 3 deaths. Posted by: joejm65 at September 06, 2011 04:50 PM (UZuc4) Meh, generally the result in running out of ammo sooner, especially for a loony. Let me say than God the loonies believe the random spraying technique seen on TV or these terrible crimes would be even deadlier.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 06, 2011 12:53 PM (bxiXv)

44 I blame Jimmy Hoffa. The SCOAMF is proud of him.

Posted by: Live Free Or Die at September 06, 2011 12:53 PM (WDF1/)

45
Carson City is just outside Reno. Podunk town mostly known because of tha Bonanza TV show Capital of Nevada.

FIFY

Posted by: Hairy Reed at September 06, 2011 12:53 PM (gppu7)

<i>And, you know, the state capitol.</i>

Yeah, I know. But it's Nevada...who cares? (I actually remembered that just after I posted...)

And, yeah...anything other than a muzzle-loader is Automatic by the MSFM understanding.

Posted by: Gromulin at September 06, 2011 12:53 PM (7FA9S)

47 Rest assured that this wasn't an Operation Fast & Furious weapon!

Posted by: Eric Holder at September 06, 2011 12:53 PM (Y+DPZ)

48 Is concealed carry okay in Nevada?

I believe so, and if memory serves, they also have Open Carry laws...

Posted by: Naqamel at September 06, 2011 12:53 PM (UMwMT)

49 Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 04:50 PM (0M3AQ)

Honestly, the term was (probably not maliciously, even) coined to cover automatic rifles- such as the M-16 and AK-47. It was then co-opted (probably maliciously) to cover the civilian variants there-of to scare people into thinking any semi-automatic, pistol-gripped rifle should be banned.

The same way a "sawed-off" shotgun is somehow scarier than a regular shotgun.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 06, 2011 12:54 PM (8y9MW)

50
Was this guy a local?

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 06, 2011 12:54 PM (sqkOB)

51 Wow, that is news. Guess he didn't work out so well. Any news on teams that may come courting?

John Clayton says sarly indications are Baltimore, which means major bench time.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 06, 2011 12:54 PM (nRTou)

52 OT: White House wants to reduce troops in Iraq to 3k. 3K, not 30K. It is currently 45K.

Once again, I don't get this administration, may as well go to zero, if you are going to drop it to 3K.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 06, 2011 12:55 PM (krs8G)

53 on the concealed carry issue....

yes you can, you can also open carry but I will bet my right nut that the Guardsmen were forbidden from carrying by order of the CO for the base they go to......

any takers?

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 12:55 PM (AEIYh)

54
Journalist's Guide to Firearms Identification

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 06, 2011 12:55 PM (3AuGS)

55
If he's a local, they'll probably find a couple of dead relatives at his home.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 06, 2011 12:55 PM (sqkOB)

56 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 06, 2011 04:46 PM (8y9MW)

You'll be hearing from my attorney

Posted by: John Skeeterlander, esq. at September 06, 2011 12:55 PM (sOXQX)

57 Odd they don't identify the man, nor even give a basic physical description. Call me paranoid...

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 06, 2011 12:55 PM (niZvt)

58 Oh forgot, that was by the end of the year.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 06, 2011 12:55 PM (krs8G)

59 The same way a "sawed-off" shotgun is somehow scarier than a regular shotgun.

On this one... yeah, it's a little warranted. Smaller barrel = wider shot pattern.
(Which incidentally, is why my Remington 870 pump action shotgun is the shortest legal barrel I can own...)

Posted by: Naqamel at September 06, 2011 12:56 PM (UMwMT)

60 of course, you can't own an "assault weapon" without paying the tax since it is select fire and all something the donks, M$M, Brady Bunch, et al seem to forget Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 04:51 PM (AEIYh) "Assault rifles" are medium-caliber selective fire weapons. "Assault weapons" are anything that Dianne Feinstein thinks is ugly-looking. The term "assault weapons" was invented for politics only.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 06, 2011 12:56 PM (bxiXv)

61 Who cares? Those soldiers were just going to go kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan anyway. Think of all the people that shooter saved.

Posted by: Left Wing anit-warrior at September 06, 2011 12:56 PM (ABrjU)

62 57 soothsayer,

perhaps...man what a weird thing though....guy muder suicides and then decides to go get pancake fans in between the initial murder and suicide?

usually it is all more abrupt.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 12:56 PM (AEIYh)

63 You'll be hearing from my attorney

Posted by: John Skeeterlander, esq. at September 06, 2011 04:55 PM (sOXQX)

Meh. I'll just sic AmishDude on him. Unless it's a "her." Then I'll send EoJ over.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 06, 2011 12:57 PM (8y9MW)

64 If a shooter goes in to kill a bunch of people, and sees men in uniform, he's going to shoot the uniforms first - since they are the most likely to fight back. Note that this shooter had already killed somebody outside the building, so there was no option to cancel the attack when he saw the guardsmen inside. My point is that the high number of guardsmen among the victims does not cut against the "postal ihop employee" theory.

Posted by: Wooga at September 06, 2011 12:57 PM (vjyZP)

53 Wow, that is news. Guess he didn't work out so well. Any news on teams that may come courting?

John Clayton says sarly indications are Baltimore, which means major bench time.

Don't really follow the Jags, but the little I saw of him he looked pretty good.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 12:58 PM (0M3AQ)

66 This attack proves once again that ending the proliferation of assault weapons among the civilian population should be among our highest priorities. Access to such weapons should be tightly restricted to military personnel and carefully-screened Mexican drug kingpins.

Posted by: Eric Holder at September 06, 2011 12:58 PM (QKKT0)

67 Well it's safe to assume the shooter doesn't fit the profile of a tea partier, if so, the MSM speculation and back ground checking would be already done.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 06, 2011 12:58 PM (0q2P7)

68 62 Mero,

sorta....I have seen "assault weapons" used to cover A2s, M4s, M-249s inclusive.....

so I'd have to see memos going back to the late 80s when the 249 got popular to know whether or not it is "official" parlance.....

but yeah the moontards hates them some gins

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 12:58 PM (AEIYh)

69 Sturmgewehr was the original Assault Rifle. In German in means Storm Rifle, as in storm a bunker. The english translation was Assault Rifle.

Posted by: robtr at September 06, 2011 12:59 PM (MtwBb)

70 Well it's safe to assume the shooter doesn't fit the profile of a tea partier, if so, the MSM speculation and back ground checking would be already done.

That didn't stop those fuckers from trying to say that far-left liberal Jared Loughner was a Tea Partier... it still hasn't stopped them.

Posted by: Naqamel at September 06, 2011 12:59 PM (UMwMT)

71 66 If a shooter goes in to kill a bunch of people, and sees men in uniform, he's going to shoot the uniforms first - since they are the most likely to fight back. Note that this shooter had already killed somebody outside the building, so there was no option to cancel the attack when he saw the guardsmen inside.

My point is that the high number of guardsmen among the victims does not cut against the "postal ihop employee" theory. You are forgetting the "no fucking blueberry pancake" rage. He drove a blue minivan. Clues people, clues.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 12:59 PM (0M3AQ)

72 Note someone nearby had his pistol but did not respond because it wasn't safe. Dude, if you're only carrying it for when the situation is safe, you're probably wasting your time. I don't want to judge too much, I mean, he probably would have responded if he'd been in the restaurant, but still. Could probably have saved some heartache.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 06, 2011 01:00 PM (bxiXv)

73 The blue minivan aspect is weird. Who drives a minivan to a murder scene? I suppose a crazy person.

Posted by: Wooga at September 06, 2011 01:01 PM (vjyZP)

74 "In German in means Storm Rifle, as in storm a bunker." In other words, using the term, "assault rifle," is a show of solidarity with Hitler. Using the term, "assault weapon," is riffing on Hitler but from Hitler's side of the argument. The MFM is worse than Hitler.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 06, 2011 01:01 PM (cbyrC)

75 Don't really follow the Jags, but the little I saw of him he looked pretty good.

I do. His behavior this year pissed a lot of people off. He was lashing out at the offensive line, the offensive coach, he was blaming his poor performance on a phantom finger injury and his O-Line not protecting him. The players even refused to name him one of the captains, which is basically a formality for a veteran starting quarterback.

Incidentally, Garrard took over the starting QB job when the Jags cut Byron Leftwich a week before the season opener.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 06, 2011 01:01 PM (nRTou)

I wonder if the smart money has a line on the following:

Odds shooter was:

A member of the ROP

A union Member incited to war by Hoffa

A democrat

Or all of the above.....

Posted by: nuclearjim at September 06, 2011 01:01 PM (NaIQb)

77 Humm. Worrisome about the five Guardsmen. That makes me think Sudden Jihadi Syndrome. If they give a name in the first paragraph and then say "Oh, yeah, and he took the name 'Abu bin Death To America bin Allahu Ackbar" in the 19th paragraph, we'll know.

Posted by: joncelli at September 06, 2011 01:02 PM (RD7QR)

78 the stalwarts over at Conservative bastion and "smart military blog" HotAir have not acknowledged the massacre at all.....

"good work on focusing on the real news fellas"....

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 01:02 PM (AEIYh)

79 75 The blue minivan aspect is weird. Who drives a minivan to a murder scene? I suppose a crazy person. Men that drive minivans are angry. It is just the way it is. My guess if he drove something manly he would be happy and not shoot up the IHOP.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 01:03 PM (0M3AQ)

80 I wonder if the SCOAMF is going to preside over a memorial to these troops. Nah.....he'll give a shout-out to all his unions buddies in Reno.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 06, 2011 01:05 PM (ABrjU)

77 Don't really follow the Jags, but the little I saw of him he looked pretty good.

I do. His behavior this year pissed a lot of people off. He was lashing out at the offensive line, the offensive coach, he was blaming his poor performance on a phantom finger injury and his O-Line not protecting him. The players even refused to name him one of the captains, which is basically a formality for a veteran starting quarterback.

Incidentally, Garrard took over the starting QB job when the Jags cut Byron Leftwich a week before the season opener.

Sounds like he suffers from the same ailment that Sparky does. Head in ass.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 01:05 PM (0M3AQ)

82
That didn't stop those fuckers from trying to say that far-left liberal Jared Loughner was a Tea Partier... it still hasn't stopped them.

He fit the MSM profile. So yes they assumed, then stretched and ignored the facts to "prove" he was. Whomever this is, did not fit that bigoted MSM profile.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 06, 2011 01:05 PM (0q2P7)

83 sorta....I have seen "assault weapons" used to cover A2s, M4s, M-249s inclusive..... Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 04:58 PM (AEIYh) Well, anyone can say anything, but IIRC the military terminology of "assault weapons" refers to those used in storming positions, bunkers, etc. Like flamethrowers and grenades. I have not seen it used in that context to cover rifles or meant as a "category of weapons" but as a "category of use." Referring to rifles as "assault weapons" was AFAICT a political invention, probably because "assault rifles" would have been inaccurate and some frustrated pol changed one of the words to satisfy an arguing aide.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 06, 2011 01:05 PM (bxiXv)

84 Men that drive minivans are angry. It is just the way it is. My guess if he drove something manly he would be happy and not shoot up the IHOP.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 05:03 PM (0M3AQ)

I have a theory that Blue Minivans, like Prius, get their superior Gas mileage by draining the Testosterone from men driving them and using that to help fuel the vehicle...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 06, 2011 01:05 PM (NtXW4)

85 Police have not disclosed a motive for the shooting.

He could have been a Yemeni who drove directly from the local mosque wearing a kaffiyeh, yelling allahu akbar out the car window and police would still have no clue about his motives.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at September 06, 2011 01:07 PM (QKKT0)

86 My guess if he drove something manly he would be happy and not shoot up the IHOP.

He also shot up a nearby barbecue and an H&R Block office-- could be he 1) got indigestion at the barbecue 2) has a beef with the IRS 3) has been listening to Sheriff Joe too much

Posted by: Basement Cat at September 06, 2011 01:07 PM (INOL4)

87 87 Men that drive minivans are angry. It is just the way it is. My guess if he drove something manly he would be happy and not shoot up the IHOP.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 05:03 PM (0M3AQ)

I have a theory that Blue Minivans, like Prius, get their superior Gas mileage by draining the Testosterone from men driving them and using that to help fuel the vehicle...

Nothing says pussy whipped than a man behind the wheel of a minivan. Sad but true.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 06, 2011 01:07 PM (0M3AQ)

88 It's still the case that military can't carry a gun on post, right? They have to store their weapons with the armorer?

I don't know the rules for NG, but when you're in uniform you have to follow a lot of rules. How many recruiters and soldiers need to be attacked before it's acceptable for the military to carry weapons?

Perhaps just E7s and up? I'd even order a handful in each unit to carry.

Posted by: Dustin at September 06, 2011 01:07 PM (fF625)

89 86 Mero,

it's been a good long time...all that said I can see whwere a politcial use may have seeped into a force where some troops now have "M-4s" with sub 12" barrels for door kicking.....

at the end of the day they hate all guns just evil looking ones worst of all

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 01:08 PM (AEIYh)

90 91 Dustin,

the issue has come up severeal times in "townhall meetings" with garrison commanders.....i suspect there is an O-8 or higher who has issued word of (democrat) God on the matter....

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 01:09 PM (AEIYh)

91 Las Vegas Journal Review is reporting that the shooter was a "local".

Posted by: tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 06, 2011 01:10 PM (iRlbA)

92 Local to Carson City Nevada that is.

Posted by: tsar Nic's girlfriend at September 06, 2011 01:10 PM (iRlbA)

I have a theory that Blue Minivans, like Prius, get their superior Gas mileage by draining the Testosterone from men driving them and using that to help fuel the vehicle...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 06, 2011 05:05 PM (NtXW4)

Actually, I don't think a minivan will even start until the testo-tube is connected to the testicles.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 06, 2011 01:11 PM (ABrjU)

94 89 basement cat,

yup it was definitely Sherrif joe....

hey on a new note thanks to that sidebar story on the Indy Metro Fast and furious Gangwalker operation there really is a good chance US citizens will get murdered by federally approved illegal gun sales

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 01:11 PM (AEIYh)

95 94....so he was navajo

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 01:11 PM (AEIYh)

96 Romeo13, I agree. The red minivan drivers are sex machines.

Posted by: Jean at September 06, 2011 01:16 PM (/FT0A)

97 What would the media call a muzzle loader with a black nylon stock AND a bayonet lug?

Posted by: Jean at September 06, 2011 01:18 PM (/FT0A)

Spike TV: Star Wars 6: Return of the Jedi is finishing up now.

The Ewoks are now attacking.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 06, 2011 01:21 PM (GKQDR)

99 Sub-tard, I think the word you are looking at is fecund.

Posted by: Jean at September 06, 2011 01:21 PM (/FT0A)

100 Homegrown maybe a mentally deranged person or someone with a political agenda that doesnÂ’t like the health care bill or something. It could be anything.

Posted by: Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Ace Profiler at September 06, 2011 01:29 PM (znT2j)

101 Sorry, wrong thread. Very wrong thread. No disrespect intended.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 06, 2011 01:31 PM (GKQDR)

102 Nothing says pussy whipped than a man behind the wheel of a minivan. Sad but true.

There was a day when I agreed with you. But seeing how a minivan can pull about 4/6MPG better than a large SUV that seats 8 it may be the gas pump that beats a man into submission.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 06, 2011 01:33 PM (0q2P7)

103 ^{There was a day when I agreed with you. But seeing
how a minivan can pull about 4/6MPG better than a large SUV that seats 8
it may be the gas pump that beats a man into submission.}

^{Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 06, 2011 05:33 PM (0q2P7)}

The nice thing about being a man and driving a minivan is that there is plenty of room for your wife to store her pocketbook containing your balls.

Posted by: MrCaniac at September 06, 2011 01:40 PM (GomcF)

104 Gambling caused this. Ban it.

Posted by: Michael "Nanny" Bloomberg at September 06, 2011 01:43 PM (1rHeD)

105 International House of Pancakes?

XENOPHOBIC TEABAGGER!!!1111!

Posted by: MFM at September 06, 2011 01:56 PM (2jQGY)

106 They haven't claimed he was a white tea party member so by default, since they haven't released his race:

I give 80:1 odds that he was a black mulsim.

Takers?

Posted by: tangonine at September 06, 2011 01:57 PM (x3YFz)

107 More syrup! I said, I want MORE syrup! And butter! Where is my BACON?!

Posted by: Errol at September 06, 2011 02:02 PM (d2AYO)

108
I've never really understood the term "assault weapon."

Isn't that redundant?

Sturmgewehr is what the Germans called it, thus the assault (to storm) part. An assault weapon, by definition, has at least two firing modes, one of which is full-auto.

Modern variants usually have three fire modes: single shot, burst of 3, or full-auto.

Caveat: the MBM believes that anything than fires a projectile is an assault weapon. Even your antique Kentucky Rifle.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at September 06, 2011 02:10 PM (1hM1d)

109 Eduardo Sencion Born july 22, 1979

Posted by: Shooters Name at September 06, 2011 02:15 PM (PS45M)

110 112 Eduardo Sencion Born july 22, 1979

Posted by: Shooters Name at September 06, 2011 06:15 PM

Since he's the shooter, the MBM will make sure to use as much an Anglo pronunciation as possible to make him sound like a tea partier;

Edward-o Sens-ee-ann

Posted by: kbdabear at September 06, 2011 02:28 PM (Y+DPZ)

111 113 112 Eduardo Sencion Born july 22, 1979

Posted by: Shooters Name at September 06, 2011 06:15 PM

Since he's the shooter, the MBM will make sure to use as much an Anglo pronunciation as possible to make him sound like a tea partier;

Edward-o Sens-ee-ann

Posted by: kbdabear at September 06, 2011 06:28 PM

Edward O'Sensian ?

Ah-HAAAAHHHHH, an Irish teabagger!!

Posted by: The MBM at September 06, 2011 02:29 PM (Y+DPZ)

112 I hope that other patrons got to finish their waffles. Uh. You know that there's nothing worse than no being able to finish your waffles.

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at September 06, 2011 02:36 PM (lH6z9)

113 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at September 06, 2011 02:41 PM (fyOgS)

114 Scroll up:
http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20110906/NEWS/110909853/1100

Posted by: Pic at the link at September 06, 2011 02:59 PM (PS45M)

115 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 06, 2011 05:00 PM (bxiXv)

In the CC class I had the instructors specifically pointed out that the law does not allow for you to play John Rambo. You cannot go charging into a firefight. The pistol in your holster is ment only to defend yourself if you cannot get out of the area.
I am not sure (yet) on the Nevada laws, but I am pretty sure that guy couldn't go in and try to take the nutbag down and not violate the law.

Posted by: Deathknyte at September 06, 2011 03:34 PM (bN68Z)

116 118 DeathKnyte,

here in Indiana, back home in ohio, in texas, and lousiana you can kill an individual whose actions place you OR a bystander in lethal harm's way.....

you'll need to lawyer up...."better call Saul" but it's the law....

the devil is in the details but the states with a stand your ground precedent usually are lenient on "public defense" but unless a state law says directly you are blanket immune when protecting another usual instruction stresses the notion of self-family defense.....

Nevada is a stand your ground state with no proviso for 'defense of others" as a justification...so the CC citizen would have exposed himself to the whim of prosecution for the rest of his life as the law is currently written

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 03:46 PM (AEIYh)

117 119 Mitchell,

that'll do wonders or donk electability

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 03:47 PM (AEIYh)

118 In the CC class I had the instructors specifically pointed out that the law does not allow for you to play John Rambo. You cannot go charging into a firefight. The pistol in your holster is ment only to defend yourself if you cannot get out of the area.
I am not sure (yet) on the Nevada laws, but I am pretty sure that guy couldn't go in and try to take the nutbag down and not violate the law.

Posted by: Deathknyte at September 06, 2011 07:34 PM (bN68Z)

I can't comment on the NV law specifically. But in most states, if not all, you're permitted to use deadly force to protect yourself or another innocent person from death or serious bodily injury. You don't have to stand there watching the gunman go "BOOM HEADSHOT" on everyone until he turns the gun on you. That would be ludicrous.

Posted by: yinzer at September 06, 2011 03:47 PM (LJ9nk)

119 122 Yinzer,

that is true after a fashion but you are always at the whim of idiot DAs unless the law says explicitly you are immune and sets the test scenario so low you can walk over the pole so to speak....

there was a case to my north here in greenwood where public pressure was intense because a local man gunned down a freelance moving and packing engineer who was attacking his friend hand to hand to the point that there was by the police chief and DA's judgement regarding witness testimony the reasonable fear of lethal force being used on a victim in an assault.

here's a link

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3qgzm7f

That is a low bar to walk over....

in some states like Ohio used to be you could get prosecuted even if you were trying to retreat and got cornered....

I prefer the "good neighbors" law.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 06, 2011 03:54 PM (AEIYh)

120 Lots of good theories here for what's behind the shooting; but sort of surprised no one has mentioned the Battery Cage Wars, of which the Batter House struggle is a clear off-shoot. This could an incident in the ongoing market-share struggle between IHOP and Waffle House, but it could also be about chickens coming home to roost.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 06, 2011 04:09 PM (vahvH)

121 Shooter's name was Eduardo Sencion, so yeah....definitely an angry,right wing, hatemonger moved to violence by all the rhetoric from the teahadists.

Posted by: frogmouth at September 06, 2011 05:10 PM (BnUSo)

122 We need to educate everyone that if you are going to kill a bunch of people and then kill yourself, start with yourself first.

Posted by: rtw at September 06, 2011 05:39 PM (/94d2)

123 That is useful information and its quite easy to come a croper if you are not vigilant.

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