1 WTF?!?  Billy is also the originator of the '10 years for a drill to come on-line' statistic that the anti-drilling idiots use to this day.

Why didn't he drill when he had the chance ... and accept the consequences?

2 Oh believe me baby.  I've done my share of drilling over the years.  Hillary only knows about some of them.

3 Don't fall for Clinton's act.

4

Sing hallelujah! Meanwhile, back at the WH, Barky is sucking his thumb under his desk. [ok, poor choice of words and visuals here, but he is in the fetal position somewhere]

I have never doubted the security of our nation, under any president, until January 2009 with the coronation of Dear Leader. But if I think of this too often I will drink too much, therefore, I don't think about it too often or until you morons tell me to take shelter with my gin.

5 But he was a capable administrator and a wickedly shrewd politician, perhaps the best ever.

I have to disagree.  He, like Barry, had the full force of the MBM holding him up, both during the campaign, and during his presidency.

Also, like Barry, he lied constantly and with fucking impunity, and for the same media dicksucking reason.

We used to point out that Bill lied even when the truth would have been just as good.

Feh.

6 Clinton is pragmatic.  Obama is a true believer who is expert in making radical positions sound pragmatic.  Which is why Obama's second imaginary tack to the center actually worked for a while.  Once again proving, "You can fool some of the people all of the time."     

7 Bill Clinton's first love was to Bill Clinton, and no one should ever forget it.

That said, Clinton would never have been stupid/vindictive enough to shut down domestic oil drilling in the face of heightened Mideast turbulence and $4 gas.  At least with Clinton there was never any doubt he was American.

8 An assault on fast food/good eats would never have occurred under a WJ/HR Clinton presidency.

9 BJ and Mini-Mao are both con artists. They differ in style and skill, but not in nature. Do not fall for it.

10

I never doubted that his first love was to his country, warts and all.

don't you mean  - '...Genital Warts and all.'.

11 I think this may be part of setting Hillary up to run against Dear Leader in the primaries.  I've always maintained that there are no absolutes when it comes to the 2012 election.

12 And we didn't have to hear about how stunningly beautiful the first lady was.  Although if Hillary had become President....

13

...and Clinton is a lying, duplicitous, holster of cock.

He's as scummy as they come.

14 He ate a lot of garlic.

15 I don't mean a fondness insofar as whether or not he was a good President. I don't think he was, particularly. He wasn't a disaster by any means though.

I mean fondness in the since you are fond of that guy -- the one who's fun to party with, has a long string of girlfriend, always has a great story, always brings beer to the cookout.

Also, a respect for how very good he was at being a politician. Triangulation was a masterpiece. The government shutdown was sublime tactically -- a more classic bit of political judo would be hard to find.

Do I want that in a president? Not hardly. Yes, he disgusted me often.

But stepping back objectively, he was a wealth of entertainment on many levels. To me at least.

Maybe I'm alone in that.

16 Bill Clinton was at least personable, charming, and funny. Obama is just a boring conceited asshole.

17 Waco.

18 I actually have something of a fondness for Bill Clinton.

Billy Jeff only looks good in retrospect because of who is in office now.  This was the man who almost foisted upon us an even more extreme version of Obamacare, the man whose indifference to terrorism lead to the 9/11 attacks, and who mostly abdicated his responsibilities as Commander in Chief to pursue his own selfish ends. 

Future generations will see Billy Jeff as the man who helped start facilitate the End of America as we know it. 

19 garrett - no, that's Charlie Sheen.  America's Venereal Wart.

As for Clinton...he did a lot of things wrong (and I don't give a damn about the Monica situation) but compared to the clown we've got in there now, he at least showed occasional evidence of competence and an ability to learn from his mistakes.

20 Also, a respect for how very good he was at being a politician. Triangulation was a masterpiece. The government shutdown was sublime tactically -- a more classic bit of political judo would be hard to find.


Again I must call Bullshit.  When the entire press corp is carrying your lies for you, you can pull any shit you want.

21 Sock off!

22 Well, I can truly say I've always liked him much more than Hillary.

23 I send Hillary a Birth Day card every year.

24 He was invaluable to our Nuke program!

25

Mrs. Bill Clinton 2012!

26

Yeah, I can't get too misty-eyed over Bubba.

Clinton was a liberal hack who was smart enough to talk conservative when he had to save his political skin.  He also benefitted from having really incompetent/geriatric enemies (Gingrich/Dole).  His only two redeeming qualities?  1:  He loved politics, so he was at least sort of paying attention in between Oval Office gang-bangs.  2:  He presided over inconsequential times so the country could afford his lack of seriousness.

In contrast, St. Pantscrease is lazy and bored by political minutiae.  Obama wants to be president of Heaven, so partisan wrangling with the evil meanie-head Republicans is just tedious. Moreover, America in 2011 is a different place than it was in 1995.  Under attack by militant Islam from abroad and a 5th column Left determined to drive it into bankruptcy, the US cannot afford Obambi's doe-eyed platitudes and inexperienced floundering.

Any president would look good (or just not so bad) in comparison to Obama.  Even Carter seems almost not completely incompetent compared to the current President.  Bill Clinton benefits from a low baseline when being stacked up against the Bamster.

27 HillaryCare.

28 I mean really, Triangulation cost the Dermocrats the House for a dozen years.  Sure, Bill saved his own fat ass, but he damn near destroyed his party as a moderate left party in the processes.

29 I was stationed in England--the greatest politician of my generation was Tony Blair, who to be fair probably learned a fair number of chops from Bubba.

30 Bill Clinton is a lot of things, but unlike President Obama, he was never a committed socialist ideologue. If you wanted to categorize him, Clinton is a traditional Democratic liberal politician. Cynical and amoral? Sure, but those also seem to be the attributes of traditional Democratic liberal politicians. President Obama is something entirely different. President Obama is true believer convinced that if energy prices go high enough, the American people can be coerced to embrace the Green Utopia he and his radical supporters envision. They also think people can be socially engineered not to know theyÂ’re being coerced, but who can be taught to believe that the blame for their dramatically declining standard of living lies with those evil, greedy, fat-cat oil companies and other corporate interests. After all, the Democratic Party avoided blame for a recession which was initially triggered by governmental intrusion into the housing market spearheaded by Democrats, and then exploited during the last election to give them super-majorities in the House and Senate. So why not follow a similar strategy with energy? What Obama and his people want is control over the energy industry. At this point, based upon the healthcare takeover, whoÂ’s to say they wonÂ’t achieve it?

31 1994 Crime Bill + AW Ban

32 Just saw a picture of the WI demonstration.  Many of the signs are on "communist red" placards.

33 Even if one can somehow ignore what a scumbag he is in his personal life, he was no great leader as President. It's just that even Jimmy Carter almost looks competent compared to the current idiot.

34
Exert from Clinton to Lt Col Holmes regarding ROTC commitment.

"Because of my opposition to the draft and the war, I am in great sympathy with those who are not willing to fight, kill, and maybe die for their country (i.e. the particular policy of a particular government) right or wrong. Two of my friends at Oxford are conscientious objectors. I wrote a letter of recommendation for one of them to his Mississippi draft board, a letter which I am more proud of than anything else I wrote at Oxford last year. One of my roommates is a draft resister who is possibly under indictment and may never be able to go home again. He is one of the bravest, best men I know. That he is considered a criminal is an obscenity"

Clinton was a punk bitch then and remains so today.  Thousands of men answered their country's call to duty, but Clinton lied to Lt Col Holmes about his intent to join ROTC, and he was able to avoid the draft. 

35 37 Just saw a picture of the WI demonstration.  Many of the signs are on "communist red" placards.

Does that mean we can go back to the traditional blue=Conservative, red=Liberal/Labour color scheme? 

36 Sorry to be an ass in response, but my views over Bill Clinton will always be colored by the fact there's a decent chance he raped a couple women.  Not knowing that, I probably would enjoy having a couple beers with him.  From what I've heard, he's likable (he was competent on the job) and a fun guy to hang around.  That, however, colors everything.

No matter what his demeanor, he has a entirely different set of values than me and (when I do eventually have one) I'd be terrified to let my wife around the guy.

37 Eight years of that and my fondness meter is set to zero.  The fact that I would take him in a heartbeat over BHO is like saying heartbreak is better than rape.

38 BJ caused much damage. He and his minions just knew how to make it look like something else.

39 I never dreamed I'd feel better about things if only Bill or Hillary were president.  I can't believe those words come out of my keyboard.

40 I don't.  Nothing even remotely close to fondness.  Clinton was nothing but a loser.  He only looks any good, at all, given the Indonesian and what a retarded America-hater he is.  But that's a pretty low bar, there.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at March 12, 2011 01:03 PM (G/MYk)

And the bookend on his other side is Carter.  Clinton is definitely head and shoulders above those two presidential midgets.

41
Bill was the ceremonial president, but Sir Edmund Hillary Rodham Clinton wore the balls and confirmed that when she stated, 'we are the president."

42 We continue to hold a grudge.

43

 Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 12, 2011 01:12 PM (zmlzP)

I agree.  I was literally sick to my stomach when Billy Jeff beat H.W. 

44 16. I agree. I think as soon as 1 state grows the stones to put some teeth into this birther nonsense, and actually makes Oblabla prove he is actually an American, he is gonna either not run or he will be exposed as the fraud he is. If the proof is damaging enough, Oblabla will make some excuse as to why he has decided he will not seek reelection, thereby setting the stage for the Hildabeast. Ol' Billy boy is smart enough to know that countering Oblabla is not in his self interest, therefore there must be another reason. It's either this or he suddenly has decided to grow a pair, and not follow the script of dear leader. Win....win either way.

45 He wasn't a "womanizer," he was a rapist.  For God's sake, that makes him probably worse than Ted Kennedy.

I hate when conservatives fall for Clinton's shtick.

46 The "original" liar in chief

47

 Bill Clinton is a lot of things, but unlike President Obama, he was never a committed socialist ideologue. If you wanted to categorize him, Clinton is a traditional Democratic liberal politician. Cynical and amoral? Sure, but those also seem to be the attributes of traditional Democratic liberal politicians. President Obama is something entirely different.

 

Are you shitting me?  He's as much of a socialist/communist as Dear Leader is.  You need to re-read his history.  He wanted to "fundementally change" the USA as much as Dear Leader does.  You may not believe all of his lies, but it's obvious you're believing some of them.

48
"I'm not a liberal, I'm a progressive."

-Hillary Clinton

49 Dude, that prick blamed us for Oklahoma City.

50 Didn't Rush say something like "I'll bet Clinton would be a great guy to party with; get some drinks chase girls, I think he'd be great to hang out with.  But that doesn't mean I like what he's doing." ?

51 I calls 'em as I sees 'em, Soona. I doubt very much Clinton's public hijacking of GOP welfare reform proposals endeared him to the hard-Left socialist wing of the Democratic Party.

52

“I like that about the Republicans; the evidence does not faze them, they are not bothered at all by the facts.”

-Bill Clinton

Imagine that coming from the serial prevaricating Clinton.

53 re: toby I'd counter that with the media vis a vis reagan and obama. reagan was able to succeed despite the media and obama is floundering more than clinton though obama has had a messianic treatment. though much of the triangulation was dick morris, bubba went with it re: rdb hillary has more mussolini in her than obama, which kinda creeps me out

54 As much as I hated Clinton, during his tenure I did NOT feel as troubled as I do today. I also felt he was an American, and did not see him as being out to destroy our nation as Oblabla is. Hate his policies....sure. Feel as distraught as I do now.....never.

55 60   I don't think that ever entered the minds of Americans at that point in history, that a president would hate his country, seems like ancient history now.

56 and I think some of this might be the result of the obamasquad calling him racist during the primaries

57 At least he didn't have that oblivious and contemptible air of megalomaniacal smugness that even a manipulative sociopath likeTed Bundy knew how to hide, unlike you know who.

58
Never forget that Bill Clinton lied under oath to a Federal Magistrate, and was subsequently charged with perjury and obstruction of justice.

59 Billy Jeff had seduced and assaulted a long string of *your* girlfriends, and always brought beer to the party, which you discovered after he left that he had got from your garage.

Dude was the reason I decided Democrats could never be trusted, how much they fawned over that corrupt, dictatorial sack of shit. I was too young to actually *experience* the Carter Malaise, I just knew at the time that Reagan was better - partly because the worst people I knew hated him.

Clinton's full history may never be known, but I suspect that some of the conspiracy nuts are closer to the truth about him than I'd prefer.

No, I don't *like* him, and I wouldn't want to "party" with him any more than I would Putin, who also seems to lead an amusing lifestyle but is actually a dangerous SOB.

60

By our I mean the United States'. I never doubted that his first love was to his country, warts and all.

I did.

Clinton's loyalty was to himself. Himself was best served by being popular as president, which meant not being an absolute fuck-up, a la Barry.

With Clinton, it's always Clinton.

He gets his nut, you he's not so worried about.

 

61 Wasn't he given 4 different definitions of sex to choose from in his hearings? Because he didn't have sexual relations with THAT woman.

62 Good Lord. Are you that cheap a date? Bill is just testing the waters for the Ol' Ms.

63
"President Clinton is an unusually good liar."

-Senator Bob Kerrey

64

so now we have "conservative" blogs rehabbing slick willie's reputation?? way to go!

in stupidity this ranks up there w/ patterico's statement about obama being a good guy.

it amazes when right thinking folks have the wool pulled over their eyes.

65 As others have noted, when he was in office he did nothing to expand drilling and did much to block it. Clinton needs to shut his hole.

66

It's hard to imagine Obama signing any welfare reform or balancing the budget by cooperating with a Republican Congress.  So whatever Billy Jeff is, he's not as bad as Obama. 

Yes, BJ balanced the budget in part by gutting defense.  And so on... But he's still more pragmatic than Obama, who is a true believer. 

67 in stupidity this ranks up there w/ patterico's statement about obama being a good guy.

Point of order, however...  Patterico's been something of an idiot for some time now.

We, OTOH, are just getting started.  >8^>

68 Yes, BJ balanced the budget in part by gutting defense. And so on... But he's still more pragmatic than Obama, who is a true believer. Posted by: Beagle at March 12, 2011 02:00 PM (sOtz/) Mini-Mao will kill your family, burn down your house, and eat your dog. BJ will do the same, but will let the dog be. Yeah, much better dude, he is.

69 I think the thing is... Clinton was my opponent. I wanted him defeated. He wanted us defeated. You could persuade him though motivating the public. He may have attacked "talk radio", but ...

 Obama is our enemy. He attacks us reguarly. His administration considers us terrorists.

 And by the way, I find Putin interesting. He's probably the only genuinely right-leaning dictator I can think of. He generally has a libertarian approach...if you respect his power, he leaves you to live your life. Not that I like him or his government, but it's preferable to many dictatorships.

70 Hide the women and children, boys,
Ol' Bubba Clinton rides,
He's comin' in on a hot dusty trail,
To serial rape your brides.

71 He may have attacked "talk radio", but ...

May have?  I was awake during his Presidency and not only did he attack "talk radio", he demonized all conservatives and tarred them with the McVeigh brush.  There's barely any difference between Bubba and the Bamster in this regard.

72 @ 67...amen.

Bill Clinton's first love was and remains Bill Clinton, warts and all, though I do believe he loves his country far more than Obambi does.

73 Speaking of people looking good only by comparison....

 Bill Maher is a total tool. Yet, it's interesting that he at least willing to acknowledge that radical Islam is a serious threat. Maher's an anti-religious bigot, but at least he seems principled. He's borderline reasonable in comparison to the anti-Christians who just LOOOVVVEEEE them some Islam.

74 Dude, that prick blamed us for Oklahoma City.

Posted by: Talk Radio at March 12, 2011 01:25 PM (mEyVv)

No way was Clenis going to have a presiduncy marred by yet another terrorist attack on the US -- besides the 1993 WTC bombing.  (BTW -- I'm surprised this didn't get way more coverage than it did.  Dude was working the baggage area in Logan the morning of 9/11!)

75 @78...People sometimes say things like "She may have done this..." in a way that actually isn't casting doubt on it. It's just a comparative figure of speech. "She may be a bitch..." actually means she was a bitch.Sorry, I wasn't clear. It's a way of speaking I use often.

 I'm just saying that Clinton is less anti-us than Obama is. I have to say, though, that I was in my teens during the Clinton years. I'm practically a whippersnapper. Did Clinton ever use offensive slurs about regular voters, and call them gun glinging, racist bible thumpers like Bamster has? I actually don't like Bill, I'm just saying you could work with him. That's all. Plus, some libs are better than others.

76

 Crazee at March 12, 2011 02:05 PM

you think that the libertarian approach is "if you mess w/ us we will destroy you?" ask khodorkovsky, Politkovskaya, Litvinenko, et al if putin is a live and let live kinda guy.

what the fuck is the matter w/ this blog?? posts like this and comments like that? wow, im shocked

77

I loathe the military.

78 *gun Clinging.

I'm a Gun Glinger!

79 BJ Clinton only looks good in comparison to 0bama. The list of bad crap he did while in office (and I'm talking about policy stuff) is pretty long. He just wasn't overtly Marxist and anti-American like our current overlord.

80 It's a way of speaking I use often.

That's unfortunate.  It blurs meaning or worse, implies something that's factually untrue.

81 And Obama's schedule today, a round of golf followed by the gridiron dinner tonight.

82 Watching ObamaCare go through Congress was like watching a foreign film with subtitles.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at March 12, 2011 01:36 PM (G/MYk)

That's a fantastic analogy. Spot on!

83

And by the way, I find Putin interesting. He's probably the only genuinely right-leaning dictator I can think of. He generally has a libertarian approach...if you respect his power, he leaves you to live your life. Not that I like him or his government, but it's preferable to many dictatorships.

You might want to remind the UK about Ronald Reagan's warning about not letting Russia control the gas lines. 

84  Come on man, you're taking me the wrong way entirely. He's libertarian in comparison to other dictators, in that he doesn't over regulate the lives of his people.Take a look at all the crackpots of the world. If you're a Russian and loyal, you can live in Russia. That isn't the case in most countries. In the Soviet Union, the most loyal generals would be shot and killed. Regular people were sent to gulags. You look at places like China and Iran, they decide how you live your lives. That's all. Did I say he was a great guy? No. Did I say Putin's Russia is a wonderful paradise? No. I say he's interesting. He's an historical anomaly. I don't see any other dictators like him, ANYWHERE. Even the leaders of free nations are more controlling.

 Putin's Russia is a danger to the world, and I believe one day soon they will probably stage open war in Asia and the Middle East. I shouldn't have to say this. You have to fucking know your enemies, treat them objectively, and understand who they are.

 Do we have to attack each other over this? We're adults, here.

 

85 I thought Clinton and Gore sold military secrets to the Chinese.

86 Also on Obama's schedule this this week:

Thursday: St. Patrick's Day gala

Friday: Obama & family depart on a 5-day Latin America trip to Brazil, Chile & El Salvador.

87

hey, stop digging your hole!! if your "loyal"?? you mean if you dont oppose him and his cronies. dude, he is as bad as stalin, hitler, quadaffi, any of them, maybe worse than some of them. just cause he hasnt killed as many doesnt mean he's not willing.

 

as for attacking each other over this, yeah. you expressed admiration, albeit inexplicitly for a tyrannical dictatorship. i will call you out for that. not doing so just provides you w/ cover. did you research those names i sent you? what did they do taht wasnt "loyal" and deserving of death or imprisonment? get your head out of you ass, apologize for what you said. it was wrong 100% and trying to justify it just makes you look worse.

88 @ another blond agent:

You're probably right. I am usually a stickler for language, I'm surprised that I still use that. I think it sounds better when you say it out loud, but...krakotoa said in the post. "He may have been a son of a bitch, but..." . It's pretty common place. That said, I get where it can be misleading.

 I study History, and I like to analyze historical figures and compare them. I'm kind of a geek for that. So, I probably can get into this stuff too much with taking unpopular positions. I like to play Devil's Advocate. Usually, I do it to liberals. Just two weeks ago, I was arguing that Richard Nixon was more credible and decent than Obama. Heads exploded.

89 oh and by the way, if putin does demand unflinching loyalty how does that not mean he is deciding how people have to live their lives? square that circle. the most basic freedom is to be free to think what you like, putin demanding loyalty or else destroys that right off. he is not any different than any other dictator. he is not "interesting" he is tyrannical.

90

 And by the way, I find Putin interesting. He's probably the only genuinely right-leaning dictator I can think of. He generally has a libertarian approach...if you respect his power, he leaves you to live your life. Not that I like him or his government, but it's preferable to many dictatorships.

I kinda think the Eastern Block may have something to say about that.

91 I didn't express admiration at all. I said he was "interesting". I also said I don't like him or his government. You don't know me at all, and I might not have been clear. But I know me. And I was very disturbed when Russia attacked Georgia. I think Putin is a terribly oppressive, but not in the same way other dictators are.

 Do you have a personal stake in this? If so, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to defend him. I'm detached from this, and I've been studying a lot about Russia's relations with the Middle East lately. I'll study the things you brought up, maybe he has been more oppressive to his own people. It just seems like regimes like Iran and China are absolutely brutal in comparison.

 It's like World War II. Mussolini was terrible, but he was a different type of terrible than Hitler. I'm comparing evil people to evil people, trying to understand them...

92

 It's like World War II. Mussolini was terrible, but he was a different type of terrible than Hitler. I'm comparing evil people to evil people, trying to understand them...

Not trying to attack you, Crazee, but that's a fools errand. Professional historians, politicians, and all manner of psychologists with far greater understanding than ours can't figure this shit out. Human nature, dude, that's all it is.

93 @ Bill H...

Not really, the Eastern Block aren't Russian. They are other nations. I never said Putin wasn't a danger to his neighbors, I think he needs to be stopped.Or else, his power base will expand.He's using smart power, and he's been ABUSING Obama.

 People read stuff into my comments that aren't there, at ALL. Some evils are different than other evils. Most Dictatorships tend to start with controlling the populace, than they turn outward to expansion. Putin's Russia seems more bent on expansionary power, as opposed to the the kind of "reforms" people like Mao and Castro put in place. It's a different kind of evil that has to be fought a different way. You can subvert Iran and Cuba through supporting opposition movements. Large amounts of Russians want their country to gain relevance and power, so you can't subvert them as easily. This is because Putin has avoided robbing people on the ability to marry and earn a living. Does he rob them of Freedom? Yeah, but on a lesser scale so do Western Democracies. People don't notice what they're missing if you hold a carrot in front of them. In Russia, that carrot is "Revival of Russian Power!". I think Mark Steyn has written about this before.In the long run, Putin is more dangerous than China. We're going to need to be smart to defeat them.

 ...This is really what I'm getting at. Admittedly, I shouldn't have made a little throwaway comment. I was terrible at expressing what I was trying to express here. What I've seen suggests he remains popular there, and it's hard to defeat that. But I was making a small comment after sleeping for 10 hours, and I'm not being very clear. Sorry.

94  I've actually been reading a lot of books about the threats we face, and I think China will collapse. Our two biggest threats are Radical Islam and Russia. I understand Radical Islam, it's simple Holy War/ Fight the Infidels/ Expand our empire stuff. But Russia? They're supplying countries like Iran with weapons.
I tend to believe in the idea that Russia and Islamic nations will eventually attack Isreal...and I've been studying this. I was reading... http://tinyurl.com/4778j5q
Kind of interesting stuff. Sorry for offending people, I didn't mean to. Seriously. I'm trying to run things through my mind for a project I'm working on...:/

95 Same here.  I didn't like Clinton, still don't, but I never doubted his resolve in what it means to be President.  I know the impeachment was a big deal, but I find that more a reflection of Clinton the person rather than Clinton the President.  Clinton would push the red button if it's necessary, unlike the current Office holder who wants to give it away.

96 What Clinton have petitioned for that idiotic START treaty? That was Bullshit.

97 *Would Clinton...

God, I give up on typing tired.I'll talk to y'all when I've had some fresh air.

98 " I never doubted that his first love was to his country, warts and all."

That makes one of us.

99 re: krak @20 - No, you're not alone on those sentiments. He wasn't a horrible president. Bad? Yes, on multiple levels. But no worse than middle of the pack, in US history, however. Not Jimmuh Carter-esque, by any stretch, and far better than the current incumbent. He was as fine a *politician* as I've seen in my lifetime, and seems clearly also to be the "smartest" president of that same timeframe. Being a good politician, of course, can at times be like being a good shit-beetle. He seems to be as amoral as the day is long, and I'd go so far as to say he's not a good man. But doing so doesn't change or remove his obvious political gifts and facility. Credit where credit is due, I'd say. Warts and all.

100 Well that's two of us anyway, Patton.

Crazee -- I get what you are saying about Putin. I think he is a big step in the wrong direction for Russia, and I wonder if the reason he is so restrained in comparison to the likes of NORK & Iran is more due to the direction Russia has moved since Glasnost than to his own inclinations; but it is true that he is no Stalin or even Andropov.

101 Slick is like something I scrape off the bottom of my shoe.  I think through the impact of multiple STDs and lack of oxygen from his heart attack, he's loopy as a shithouse rat these days.

102 Clinton was the first President to make it clear that he was the Democrat President, not the American President.

103 Former President Bill Clinton said Friday that delays in offshore oil and gas drilling permits are “ridiculous” at a time when the economy is still rebuilding, according to attendees at the IHS CERAWeek conference. [ ... ] Clinton said there are "ridiculous delays in permitting when our economy doesn’t need it," according to Noe and others. Ah yes, the President who vetoed opening up our own domestic oil drilling SIXTEEN YEARS AGO (meaning we would have had that oil by now) most definitely has moral authority to chastise someone else on their efforts to hinder domestic oil drilling. Yeah, I don't give a damn what Clinton has to say.

104

H/T Mr. Ed, a reminder of how to keep things in perspective.

I actually have something of a fondness for Bill Clinton.

Good God.  I never thought I'd see two back-to-back sentences this wrong-headed at AoSHQ.  It's a sad, sad day.  Just a reminder, Ed keeps gay marriage and amnesty in "perspective" too.  And I'm not even going to start on Slick.  Suffice it to say that time has clouded your memory.

105 I never doubted that his first love was to his country, warts and all.

Didn't he run an apology tour?  I know he protested our involvement in Vietnam on foreign soil.  I know he thinks at least half the country is racist.  Remember how he enthusiastically pushed drilling in ANWR?  Yeah, me either.

106

I clarified earlier in the comments. I supposed I should have added an update, but I sort of left it ambiguous for a reason.

To clarify further -- I meant as president, I felt his first love was to the US. Granted, it was a Leftist vision of the US, but I never felt the disdain for the US that is evident from Obama.

Again, not saying he was a great President. And I'm not claiming that what he is quoted as saying here, is what he would have said during his presidency.

Spending enough time with Bush the eldest seems to have colored his perspective somewhat.

Call me crazy, but I think it's a good thing to reinforce good behavior. Do I think this means I'll be voting D in a presidential election? Not hardly.

Do I hope to maybe swing the debate more onto our side of the issue?

Hell yes.

The other purpose of this piece wasn't to convince anyone we had it great under Clinton (although relative to today...?), rather, the point was to perhaps allow "independents" who voted for Clinton to feel less than alienated for the mistakes of their past when looking for an alternative to the Socialist Snob currently occupying the WH.

More flies w/ honey and all that.

Certainly I know that works with my "independent" friends who are alarmed at the direction the country has taken under Obama.

Give it a try is all I suggest. Not saying: Forgive & Forget all that was bad about Clinton's ideology. Just saying: Find some common ground that allows you to move the debate to the right in an agreeable manner.

107 Hilarious synchronicity. When I was catching up reading the story about Obama's golfing, I thought, "Obama has finally succeeded in making me miss Bill Clinton."

Then I scroll down and bingo.

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I'm on the side that says he had his good points. There was no doubt about his being American throuh and through, plus he actually was the brilliant, articulate, quick-thinking intellectual barry gets credit for being. He could ad lib and talk off-the-cuff, and he knew his facts. He showed that he was intellectually curious and actually cared about more than sports. You got the feeling that (when he wasn't bonking chicks) in his spare time, he read and talked about issues. And tho' he might not have followed it, he was brought up in that Southern Baptist tradition, not in islam. 

Plus there was this thing he did with cigars...

 

109 Posted by: krakatoa at March 12, 2011 04:48 PM (a0Jhx)

Here's some common ground:  I agree with you, he was better than Oblahblah.  Did he love America?  I think it's a close call, but I'll agree he loves what all lefties love: their vision of America.  Does that count?  If you actively loathe and revile, for one reason or another, most of what America did and does, can you at the same time claim to love America?  Of course, most of 'em do.

Didn't mean to bust your ass too hard.  The Era of Post-Partisanship has pushed me into a take-no-prisoners frame of mind. 
_{I condemn myself most roundly for violent rhetoric.}

110 Yeah krak, I actually think he's subdued because he's smart. He fears rebellion, and knows that appeasement of fragile russian ego is the best way to keep power.

 Of course, I should have been more clear...but I'm still not used to talking online to people who don't know me. I used to talk only to friends and longtime associates.

111 he is an accused rapist who won't deny it because he does not want to be tried for libel he is a fucking criminal

112 Eh. I will agree with one thing - Clinton was actually an American, which is a big improvement over the JEF.  (I don't know who thought it up, but I like this term.)

113

Let's not get too carried away here.

Bill tried to do what Obama succeeded at.  What made him better than Obama is that he failed in his big-government takeover of healthcare.  But that is a matter of opportunity.  Given the opportunity, he would have been every bit the disaster that Barak has been.

He had disadvantages that Obama lacked.  He had only 4 years preceding him of a Republican president embarrassed by his own ideology and the hostility the elites felt for it, rather than the 8 that Barak had.  Hence, he had only substantial -- not overwhelming -- Democratic majorities.  He couldn't ram his legislation through like Barak had.  He he had those majorities, he would have done so.  It also helped that he put his politically tone-deaf wife in charge of his health care bill, but that's just a matter of competence.

He was rabidly anti-American, just like Barak.  He would go on Apology for America tours just like Barak does.  He youth was spent as a member of the Hippie culture (who, once they had crawled out from under the rock they were hiding under, went on to destroy our American fabric of life) which he never repudiated.  He was a draft-dodger who, in his own words, loathed the military.  Let's not forget that fishy Chinese money that filled Democratic party coffers while they were getting missile technology.   He cynically used the Oklahoma City disaster to paint his opponents as evil extremists.  He put Ginsberg on the Supreme Court.  He vetoed legislation banning partial-birth abortions. 

So he's making a couple of nice noises right now.  Even broken clocks tell the correct time twice a day.  Even Nancy is capable saying the right thing on occasion (regarding human rights violations in China, for instance).  That doesn't change what he did, and what he tried to do, when in office.  If you want him for your sonofagun, fine, but I'd prefer not to have him as mine.

114 @16 and 69 -- that. I read the quote and said to myself, "Operation COBRA: Field Marshal Rodham just started her drive to break out of the Foggy Bottom bocage."

115

I actually have something of a fondness for Bill Clinton.

So do we.

116

I actually have something of a fondness for Bill Clinton.

The greatful Chinese government who got classified missile technology from Bubba in exchange for campaign cash

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