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April 19, 2011

Heh: Someone Vandalizes Andre Serrano's Notorious "Piss Christ"
— Ace

Maybe the slashing of the photo was an attempt at post-modern meta-reflexive guerilla-style outsider art.

But on Palm Sunday morning, four people in sunglasses aged between 18 and 25 entered the exhibition just after it opened at 11am. One took a hammer out of his sock and threatened the guards with it. A guard grabbed another man around the waist but within seconds the group managed to take a hammer to the plexiglass screen and slash the photograph with another sharp object, thought to be a screwdriver or ice-pick. They also smashed another work, which showed the hands of a meditating nun.
The gallery director, Eric MÃ©zil, said it would reopen with the destroyed works on show "so people can see what barbarians can do". He said there had been a kind of "inquisition" against the art work.

Instapundit's got a schadenboner. If the rule of the left is that an aggrieved group's egregious aggrievement grants a license to kill or destroy -- well, you made the rule. Live with the consequences.

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1 Funny new James O'Keefe video
http://youtu.be/vyVLDCPtVQw

Posted by: timwi at April 19, 2011 07:03 AM (Sxt4Z)

He said there had been a kind of "inquisition" against the art work.

Methinks Mr. MÃ©zil has no idea what a proper inquisition constitutes. Of course, I'm guessing his liberal arts degree wasn't heavy on Western History coursework.

Posted by: rabidsquirrel at April 19, 2011 07:03 AM (RuF8n)

3 Bring in the Comfy Chair!

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 19, 2011 07:05 AM (4MkV+)

4 Seriously? They still display that thing? It wasn't avant garde when it was first displayed.

I'm thinkin' though that the lesson will be that it's OK for the muzzies to kill on behalf of Mohammed pics.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 19, 2011 07:05 AM (T0NGe)

5 The gallery director, Eric MÃ©zil, said it would reopen with the destroyed works on show "so people can see what barbarians can do". He said there had been a kind of "inquisition" against the art work.

Nobody expects the artistic inquisition (sorry, had to be done).

I wonder how many times this pretentious fool has lectured the anti-cartoon rioters.

Posted by: pep at April 19, 2011 07:05 AM (GMG6W)

6 Conservative counterculture, catch the wave!

Posted by: kefka at April 19, 2011 07:05 AM (UwqBE)

7 OK, I'm in for bail money if these guys get pinched. Might have to sell some Hobo Pelts, but these guys deserve it. Maybe they were just doing "performance art"?

Posted by: hutch1200 at April 19, 2011 07:06 AM (60+GD)

8 If the rule of the left is that an aggrieved group's egregious aggrievement grants a license to kill or destroy -- well, you made the rule. Live with the consequences.

'Cept the Left will cite this as equivalent to the Mohammadeans killing people who draw the Prophet.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 19, 2011 07:06 AM (IVQSY)

9 I guess someone got pissed off.

Posted by: Little Egypt at April 19, 2011 07:06 AM (Fbst7)

10 were they wearing neat little red outfits?

but seriously, there are people who would cut off his head for doing the same thing to another religious figure. he sould be so so so grateful they just slashed his pictures and not his body or his throat.

Posted by: Gushka at April 19, 2011 07:07 AM (93zw2)

The gallery director, Eric MÃ©zil, said it would reopen with the destroyed works on show "so people can see what barbarians can do". He said there had been a kind of "inquisition" against the art work.

Monsewer Mezil was then asked if his gallery would host the next 'draw mohammoud' day, to which he replied, "are you out of your fucking mind!?! Those enlightend members of the religion of peace will tear me a new one!!Inquisitions are one thing; fatwas get you killed!""

Posted by: Zombie Theo Van Gogh at April 19, 2011 07:07 AM (6rX0K)

12 Gotta be fake to drum up publicity. It's a photograph. You just print another one.

Posted by: Rocks at April 19, 2011 07:08 AM (Q1lie)

13 CAC hardest hit.

Posted by: Marla Hanson at April 19, 2011 07:08 AM (Xd1GZ)

14 I'd have rathered they took the hammer to the guy who made this shit. Maybe his oxygen grant could be de-funded.

Posted by: hutch1200 at April 19, 2011 07:08 AM (60+GD)

15 And it only took the Christianists 27 years to organize an attack. Yeee-ha!

Posted by: senator jesse james (zombie, missouri) at April 19, 2011 07:09 AM (Y1DZt)

16 well, you made the rule. Live with the consequences.

As Stacey McCain is fond of saying: It is a lie that the left has no standards. They have precisely two: one for them, and one for you.

I think you'll find the law will come down rather harder on these vandals than those who might, say, vandalize a church or some-such.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 07:09 AM (8y9MW)

17 For sure the NEA and the arts and cresents crowd will be yelling VANDALISM over this Now maybe someone should a axe to maplethorpes nasty art and chop it all to little bitty peices

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at April 19, 2011 07:09 AM (vA9ld)

18 If a spam attack is the Middle Ages, then Ace's is WW2.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 19, 2011 07:09 AM (Y1DZt)

19 Gotta be fake to drum up publicity. It's a photograph. You just print another one.

Posted by: Rocks

And cut down a tree to do so!?! You hate mother earth, don't you?

Posted by: to a leftist, this makes sense at April 19, 2011 07:09 AM (6rX0K)

20 I said it when they cooled down from their little preamture ejaculation of national pride in the wake of 9/11 and started calling for "understanding"....

the lesson the CAIR bears and Jihadi Jim are teaching the western youth is, "if you want leftbats to take you seriously saw off a few dozen heads and threaten a few megadeaths"......

the left assumes that Xianity will stay in passive humiliation mode forever if they see islam "winning" ala Charlie Sheen

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:09 AM (kq1lG)

hats off to those boys. and a bail fund needs to be set up.

I've about had it with being polite. it hasn't gotten us any where.

Posted by: todler at April 19, 2011 07:10 AM (fPOY0)

22 Gotta be fake to drum up publicity. It's a photograph. You just print another one.

Posted by: Rocks at April 19, 2011 11:08 AM (Q1lie)

Doah! Winah! Just like the gay/Af-Ams that create shit and paint themselves as victims. Until their hoax is realized.

Posted by: hutch1200 at April 19, 2011 07:11 AM (60+GD)

23 Maybe they should have pissed on it.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 19, 2011 07:11 AM (4MkV+)

24 16 AllenG,

you are exactly correct about the double and triple standards, of course if those of us in the "moderate" Xian community started speaking menancingly about how "exessive prosecutions may radicalize more Xians and inflame the Xian street".....

it really is a Pandora's box....they take for granted that lessons are not being drawn from their supplicant butt thrust to Islam.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:11 AM (kq1lG)

and besides, they could claim artistic liscense, they were "sampling" the orginal pic to make a new piece of art.

(works for rappers)

Posted by: todler at April 19, 2011 07:12 AM (fPOY0)

26 This was a limited edition picture (1 of 10), so thus it was very valuable. Of course, the other 9 just increased in value. I think there is a conspiracy to increase the value of this prick's "artwork".

Posted by: Penfold at April 19, 2011 07:12 AM (1PeEC)

27 I would have preferred they cleansed it with fire. The whole place.

Posted by: Satan at April 19, 2011 07:12 AM (CHrmZ)

28 French Catholics? Car-B-Que, anyone?

Posted by: maddogg at April 19, 2011 07:13 AM (OlN4e)

29 how do you vandalize vandalism?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 19, 2011 07:14 AM (eOXTH)

30 Destruction of private property is not valid criticism. Except for Minnesota, which should be burned. I'm going to commission CAC to replace this work with a fresh prespective on today's socio-religious climate which hopefully will sponsor meaningful discourse between our varied faith-based communities. Something like: BUKAKKE ALLAH TWO CUPS, ONE PROPHET "STEVE"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 19, 2011 07:14 AM (FI38b)

31 Sorry, but as long as no one was hurt in the effort (contrast religion of peace adherents). I must approve. Vigorously. And with matzoh in my hand.

Posted by: ParisParamus at April 19, 2011 07:14 AM (bgSjf)

...they take for granted that lessons are not being drawn from their supplicant butt thrust to Islam.

I am so stealing that.

Did I say stealing? I meant borrowing.

Posted by: rabidsquirrel at April 19, 2011 07:14 AM (RuF8n)

33 27 Satan,

or napalm.....it is sort of a substitute for old school fire....

like Splenda for Sugar.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:14 AM (kq1lG)

34 I have new found respect for the French. At least for the few practicing "guerrilla" Christians left there anyway.

Posted by: Marcus at April 19, 2011 07:15 AM (CHrmZ)

35 Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 11:09 AM (kq1lG) QFT.

Posted by: Holger at April 19, 2011 07:15 AM (YxGud)

36 Is it wrong to think these folks are heroes?

Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 07:15 AM (k1rwm)

37 Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 11:09 AM (kq1lG)

Sadly, for Christianity to have any meaning, it has to remain "passive" in this sense. "Turn the other cheek" (which also had subversive meanings, but was a passive form of resistance), "Bless those sin against you. Bless and do not curse." "'Vengeance is mine,' says the Lord, 'I will repay.'" "Do not repay evil with evil, rather repay evil with good."

It sucks, viscerally, to be a Christian sometimes, and I don't always keep a lid on things like I should- but, that aside, for Christianity to retain that which makes it Christianity, it must remain passive, albeit resolute, in the face of all forms of persecution- which "works of art" like this certainly are.

Unfortunately, that also means we'll have to put up with this kind of crap until Christ returns, but there you go.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 07:16 AM (8y9MW)

38 Those guys were just fed up with bullshit. Fed up.

Posted by: maddogg at April 19, 2011 07:16 AM (OlN4e)

39 The gallery director, Eric MÃ©zil, said it would reopen with the destroyed works on show "so people can see what barbarians can do". The World Trade Center was not available for comment.

Posted by: t-bird at April 19, 2011 07:17 AM (FcR7P)

Who the fuck are the other 9 assholes that bought this shit? Where exactly would this "art" fit in any collection? If they own this, what other nonsense did they blow crap on?

"....and over here we have a print of the Mona Lisa with a wiffle ball bat shoved up her ass..."

Maybe an inside job for the insurance??? Like Lloyds sent somebody to appraise it?

Posted by: hutch1200 at April 19, 2011 07:17 AM (60+GD)

41 wow, you don't need the conspiracy sites anymore, you can just go to AOL news.

Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 07:17 AM (k1rwm)

42 who would work in a place that would display that crap....er piss?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 19, 2011 07:18 AM (eOXTH)

This was not the actions of Christian extremists, it was a perpetrated by art lovers.

(The only crime is they didn't trash some of the other abstract shit that's titled "art"...)

Posted by: Warthog at April 19, 2011 07:18 AM (WDySP)

44 Is it wrong to think these folks are heroes?

Yes. Also viscerally appealing. The two are often synonymous, I've found.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 07:18 AM (8y9MW)

"The gallery director, Eric MÃ©zil, said it would reopen with the destroyed works on show "so people can see what barbarians can do". He said there had been a kind of "inquisition" against the art work."

The gallery director is a racist. He called them "barbarians". I think it time for this director to resign and contemplate his hatred for his fellow man. Isn't that the secular humanist remedy for his horrible racist worldview?

Posted by: Ginormous Weiner at April 19, 2011 07:18 AM (Q5+Og)

46 why wouldn't the guard say.....IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 19, 2011 07:18 AM (eOXTH)

47 Rocks is correct, unless there were arrests.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 19, 2011 07:18 AM (mxBv+)

48 who would work in a place that would display that crap....er piss?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 19, 2011 11:18 AM (eOXTH)

Enlightened progressive folks who are obviously more culturally attuned than YOU, you racist, hillbilly barbarian.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 07:20 AM (W30Dg)

49 It would have been more meaningful to have pissed on the display.

Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at April 19, 2011 07:20 AM (6IReR)

Simply Savages I tell you. Savages!! Is nothing sacred!!

Posted by: San Fransisco resident when questioned by a local reporter at April 19, 2011 07:21 AM (oNphh)

51 This article was amended on 19 April 2011. The original referred to the Senator Jesse Helms as Jesse James. This has been corrected.

Even British lefty journalists are retards.

BTW, did they mention if the art critics were detained? If not, I would suspect a false flag operation.

Kind of funny that the French are more angry about this than the American taxpayers who funded it.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 19, 2011 07:21 AM (T0NGe)

52 49 It would have been more meaningful to have pissed on the display.

Threadwinner

Posted by: ParisParamus at April 19, 2011 07:21 AM (bgSjf)

As I often like to say, if I can do it, it ain't art.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 07:21 AM (W30Dg)

54 lol, I love how at the end of the article the writer claimed there was a guard who overheard someone say that they would put the Koran in a jar of urine--quell horror!--yet the author has no problem with Christ being put in a jar of urine. Typical leftist who's loyal to the West's enemies and hates what made it great (Judeo-Christian tradition, capitalism, America, the military, etc....)

Posted by: grace at April 19, 2011 07:21 AM (RHFUq)

55 37 AllenG,

Make no mistake I am a Xian who was reared and took the faith in the 20th century prior to 9/11. I do not advocate anything other than commonly accepted Christian ideas on defense to the point of the "onward Christian soldier" school, BUT Xianity coopted and engaged Islam on its own terms during the Crusades and I have yet to see anything that says there is NO CHANCE of Xianity meeting Islam on an eye for an eye field of play. The lies and slander against the faith by the non-believers in the west who try to draw moral equivalence between Islam and Xianity forget that North Africa was once unarguably as Xian an area as EUrope.

Islam converting the region at Swordpoint and forcing the 2d cradle of the faith to go Dhimmi is why there was a reply in the form of the Crusades.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:22 AM (kq1lG)

56 WTF!?!

Posted by: the silly bitch who had to hide after proposing draw Mo day at April 19, 2011 07:22 AM (6rX0K)

And cut down a tree to do so!?! You hate mother earth, don't you?

Posted by: to a leftist, this makes sense at April 19, 2011 11:09 AM (6rX0K)

Fuck. Trees. Damned polled spewing pieces of shit. Fuck, just for that, I'm going to soak a random maple in gasoline and torch that bitch, just so I can hear the sap screaming through its limbs.

Posted by: Unclefacts Luxury-Yacht at April 19, 2011 07:22 AM (6IReR)

58 ..."and so you have these people who CLING to the korans and jars of piss" Barry Sotero

Posted by: hutch1200 at April 19, 2011 07:22 AM (60+GD)

59 39 The gallery director, Eric MÃ©zil, said it would reopen with the destroyed works on show "so people can see what barbarians can do".

The World Trade Center was not available for comment.

Wait, we have a threadwinner tie.

Posted by: ParisParamus at April 19, 2011 07:23 AM (bgSjf)

"took a hammer out of his sock"

That's a new one in concealed weaponry.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at April 19, 2011 07:23 AM (tc+tG)

61 41 Curious,

WE TOLD YOU GETTING HUFFPO WAS WINNING.

//AOL execs

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:24 AM (kq1lG)

Wait, we have a threadwinner tie.

Posted by: ParisParamus

I cannot catch a break.

Posted by: the silly bitch who had to hide after proposing draw Mo day at April 19, 2011 07:24 AM (6rX0K)

63 I hope my peeps don't go nuts on FuddRuckers and Guthries!

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at April 19, 2011 07:24 AM (JKe0g)

64 well this should make you guys thrilled, Palin no longer has any relevance whatsoever.

Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 07:25 AM (k1rwm)

65 Wait, we have a threadwinner tie.

Posted by: ParisParamus

And what am I!?! Chopped liver? Oh wait.. I am now.

Posted by: Zombie Theo Van Gogh at April 19, 2011 07:25 AM (6rX0K)

As I often like to say, if I can do it, it ain't art.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 11:21 AM (W30Dg)

If I can do what I do and I can do what you do and you can do what you do but you can't do what I do, why the hell do we have you?

Posted by: AmishDude at April 19, 2011 07:25 AM (T0NGe)

67 I could not care less about this. It's just a PRINT! there are a bunch of the damn things also, it's ugly (I've seen in person, and I liked the Mapplethorpe exhibit everyone freaked out about) It's just a boring, ugly print of a photograph. Could. Not. Care. Less. Maybe Serrano wasn't getting enough press and did it himself. Cos really, if it wasn't for this stunt, he'd be the one working at Fuddruckers

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 19, 2011 07:26 AM (SB0V2)

If I can do what I do and I can do what you do and you can do what you do but you can't do what I do, why the hell do we have you?

Posted by: AmishDude

Dude. Why did you do that?

Posted by: befuddled moron at April 19, 2011 07:26 AM (6rX0K)

69 I'll respect the artist who puts his own skin in the game by displaying a "Piss Koran."

Posted by: Cicero at April 19, 2011 11:24 AM (HGV/y)

A side benefit would be the resulting worldwide riots in which Muslims kill each other so, win/win.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 07:26 AM (W30Dg)

70 Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 11:22 AM (kq1lG)

That's a completely different point from someone vandalizing private property (however vulgar or in bad taste).

I have no problem with wars for survival. I don't even really have a problem with wars of conquest. I've been studying the Bible since I was able to read, and I haven't found anything in it which precludes a Christian from fighting in a war.

Given that the Islamists want to kill us- not to discredit Christianity (directly) but, rather, to assert the dominance of Islam, simple martyrdom is not the answer.

Christians were encouraged, in the first century, not to resist persecution because their lack of resistance proved the actual moral foundations and general "right-ness" of Christianity. To sit idly by while howling barbarians kill innocents and attempt to conquer the world would do no such thing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 07:27 AM (8y9MW)

If I can do what I do and I can do what you do and you can do what you do but you can't do what I do, why the hell do we have you?

Posted by: AmishDude

Dude. Why did you do that?

Posted by: befuddled moron at April 19, 2011 11:26 AM (6rX0K)

It's shit like that that drives me to drink.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 07:28 AM (W30Dg)

72 23
Maybe they should have pissed on it.

That would have been funny

Posted by: timwi at April 19, 2011 07:28 AM (Sxt4Z)

73 Now...if the barbarian inquisitors had simply gone in and pissed on the worthless, pretentious bundle of "art" garbage...well that would've been true honest, envelope-pushing art criticism. But bashing the crap out of it works for me too.

Posted by: Stu-22 at April 19, 2011 07:28 AM (k4bdL)

74 The real conceptual art piece would be to break in and set up a spoof "Piss Koran" in the museum.

Posted by: Stirner at April 19, 2011 07:29 AM (nTjSs)

75 This is the least violent act fundamentalist Catholics have committed. When they're not blowing up reproductive health clinics, they're colonizing womens' uteruses and forcing those who don't submit to death in a back-alley. Not to mention condemning untold millions to death by AIDS in Third World countries.

Posted by: Sherri Lynn Shriller-Harridan at April 19, 2011 07:29 AM (bN5ZU)

76 72 Allen G,

I appreciate your distinction, but we are not going to lightly go killing the atheist hordes.

I could see a little metaphorical chest-bumping of the referees by more spirited young Xians in the wake of 'you can't even LOOK WRONG AT A KORAN MISTER SCREW FREE SPEECH!(but we'll applaud Pi$$ Chri$t on any day of the week ending in y) by the same scrunts.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:31 AM (kq1lG)

77 I could not care less about this.

Well, it might encourage copycat attacks, including on the real "thing"? Where is the "real thing," anyway?

Posted by: ParisParamus at April 19, 2011 07:31 AM (bgSjf)

78 LINK

Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 07:32 AM (k1rwm)

79 If I can do what I do and I can do what you do and you can do what you do but you can't do what I do, why the hell do we have you?

Because I can do what I do that you do too, cheaper.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 19, 2011 07:32 AM (tf9Ne)

80 The "Shriller-Harridan" sock is a better piece of performance art than anything Serrano's ever done.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2011 07:33 AM (p05LM)

81 76 The real conceptual art piece would be to break in and set up a spoof "Piss Koran" in the museum.

Would be fun to place the two side-by-side. Both would be taken out. Actually the building would be taken out. OK, maybe not "fun," but satisfying?

Posted by: ParisParamus at April 19, 2011 07:33 AM (bgSjf)

82 If I can do what I do and I can do what you do and you can do what you do but you can't do what I do, why the hell do we have you?

Because I can do what I do that you do too, cheaper.

Posted by: Buzzsaw

Do tell.

Posted by: befuddled moron at April 19, 2011 07:34 AM (6rX0K)

83 For those who keep quoting the "turn the other cheek" idea, I'll come back with Christ in the Temple, with a whip, driving out the money changers. Militant Christianity has it place.

Posted by: rabidfox at April 19, 2011 07:34 AM (KOagR)

84 Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 11:31 AM (kq1lG)

Okay... now I'm not even sure we're having the same conversation...

Let's see
* RE: The actual post- I think it's funny, but wrong. Also I think it's wrong that I think it's funny.

*RE: Christians "fighting back": Actually fighting the Islamists in defense of innocents, I'm good with that. Against people who just disagree with us- I tend to think we're supposed to "grin and bear it" as my parents say.

I'd love to continue the discussion, but I seem to have lost your thread of thought.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 07:35 AM (8y9MW)

85 If I were to, say, submerge a photo of Obama (flanked by a pair of those Obama-head vibrators that came out shortly after his election) in a fish tank full of urine and dub it "Chicago Piss Jesus"...would I be dubbed a visionary avante garde artiste, or just be a barbarian inquisitor racist? I lose track sometimes.

Posted by: Stu-22 at April 19, 2011 07:35 AM (k4bdL)

86 86 Rabidfox,

correct and it seems as though the atheist laymen are going to demand it get busted out by treating islam as the special-ed kid with anger issues while slapping Xianity with a ruler everyday.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:36 AM (kq1lG)

87 the group managed to take a hammer to the plexiglass screen and slash the photograph with another sharp object, thought to be a screwdriver or ice-pick. This doesn't make sense. You have a hammer and an ice pick but you couldn't get rid of a fucking poster? Just take the pushpins out and throw the thing in the garbage can.

Posted by: t-bird at April 19, 2011 07:37 AM (FcR7P)

88 76 The real conceptual art piece would be to break in and set up a spoof "Piss Koran" in the museum.

Posted by: Stirner at April 19, 2011 11:29 AM (nTjSs)

How about doing it with a blank book and a Koran cover?

Then you reveal that it wasn't a Koran at all.

Because it isn't about religion at all. There's nothing intrinsically holy about a post-Guttenberg printed book. It's about the "insult to Islam".

That's what the "turn the other cheek" thing is all about and why observant Christians shouldn't react as these vandals. Let Andre Serrano do his little juvenile garbage. Just don't pay for it.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 19, 2011 07:37 AM (T0NGe)

89 Dookie Mohammed would probably not be a big hit in high art circles.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 19, 2011 07:37 AM (xMT+4)

90 How can we be sure that destroying this was not a piece of performance art? Are you sure one of the perpetrators wasn't Marcel Marceau and he had a wardrobe malfunction?

Posted by: Marcus at April 19, 2011 07:38 AM (CHrmZ)

91 For those who keep quoting the "turn the other cheek" idea, I'll come back with Christ in the Temple, with a whip, driving out the money changers. Militant Christianity has it place.

Posted by: rabidfox at April 19, 2011 11:34 AM (KOagR)

Ayup, that's the argument I use. I completely respect and understand folks who believe that turning the other cheek is the way to go but for me, sometimes you just have to kick some ass after being pushed against a wall so many times.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 07:41 AM (W30Dg)

92 87 Allen G,

eggs lead to Chickens, I apologize for intertwining the Islamic threat with the likely relatively peaceful pushback against Leftard Atheist attacks on Xianity.

I take for granted that most folks consider Libtards to be in bed to one degree or another with radislam versus our faith.

1) the left will wail and gnash their teeth at a Xian prayer before a football game WHILE NOT SEEING THE IRONY OF OFFERING PRAYER ROOMS AND RUGS IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

2) there are school districts ran by leftards that will persecute a Xian student prayer group that meets prior to 1st bell in a school room while also encouraging a two week 'everybody pretend to be Islamic and declare a personal jihad for two weeks" course....

If Islam continues to overtly get its way in the west against the militant atheists and the only logical conclusion the Xian community can draw from it is "threats of violence and discord work" and that islam gets its special "no really they deserve to be treated deferentially on matters of faith don't burn that Koran, draw that Big Mo, etc etc etc" then yes I can see the day that Xians may start kicking the occasional ass and using intimidation to stifle "artistic dissent"....

and I am not sure I can blame them.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:42 AM (kq1lG)

93 Mr. donahue and the Marianists are ever vigi lant.

warning: Do not click on the link in an office environment. The daily news has seen fit to put a pretty controversial picture with the article.

Posted by: curious at April 19, 2011 07:43 AM (k1rwm)

94 90 T-bird,

no it makes perfect sense.

The message is "we will destroy your 'art' it is offensive.

the artwork "being gone" means it is simple theft, the artwork being there is a message.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:44 AM (kq1lG)

95 It couldn't have happened to a nicer work of art. But I'll expect a worse outcome for any future, suicidal artist of a "Piss Mohammad" picture.

Posted by: Clinton Was a Terrorist at April 19, 2011 07:44 AM (xs5wK)

96 Posted by: rabidfox at April 19, 2011 11:34 AM (KOagR)

But is it's place destroying privately owned property housed in an area given over to that purpose?

Driving the money-changers from the Temple was because they weren't supposed to be there. They were supposed to be outside the the Temple, not inside it. I've never said we should turn the other cheek to things that are actively wrong (as opposed to just repulsive) or illegal. Unfortunately for my personal opinions, this "art" was neither.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 07:45 AM (8y9MW)

97 94 Erik W,

I just can't wrap my head around how anyone in the govt or even laypeople can take the hysterics that the media and even the govt were complicit in in "OH GODS DON'T BURN THAT KORAN!" while they celebrate the destruction of articles and icons of Xian faith as "art" and not eventually teach people of other faiths...

hey you know those smelly savage goatherders that wreck Buddhist icons in Afghanistan, and destroy Christian relics and treat no other faith with an ounce of respect.....?

yeah they sure do get their way a lot with the same guys who "Church and state" all things about my ideas....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:47 AM (kq1lG)

98 99 AllenG,

that is* the lesson islam is teaching....

want "respect" for your faith from the leftards....?

be sure to show them nowhere is safe for their actions.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:48 AM (kq1lG)

99 Now I get it. I thought sven was talking about some Chinese province's religion, "Xianity". Sheesh! It's people like me who totally miss the beauty of Serrano's art.

Posted by: t-bird at April 19, 2011 07:50 AM (FcR7P)

100 Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 11:42 AM (kq1lG)

Okay. And I see where you're coming from. I also agree that what you're talking about probably will happen, at some point, and I don't think I'd be able to bring myself to "blame" any Christian who does finally get fed up.

That said: I still think the Christian answer (the one to which we should aspire, not necessarily the one we'll use) is to continue turning the other cheek against "official" repression. My problem with Islam is not that it persecutes Christianity. It's that it advocates the killing of anyone who disagrees and/or with forced conversions.

First and Second Century Christians were, according to tradition, occasionally used as Tiki Torches by the Romans- you never saw a great Christian Army rise up to depose Rome. I don't advocate Christians, in the name of Christianity, destroying privately owned property, razing Mosques, or generally "getting back" at Muslims or the Left. On the other hand, I support Christians wholeheartedly when they, as "little Christs" join the Army in defense of this country with which we've been blessed.

It may seem a distinction without a difference, but to me- as a Christian- it's a vital distinction.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 07:53 AM (8y9MW)

101

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 11:47 AM (kq1lG)

I couldn't have said it any better. Christ warned us that we would face deadly opposition and no better an example can be found than in Africa where Christians are literally being macheted to death for their faith every single day.

I consider Muslims and Progressives to be mortal enemies. The only difference between the two is that Progressives use social and political persecution where Muslims use the deadly sort.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 07:54 AM (W30Dg)

102 103 T-bird,

"Xianity" is not a disrespectful rendering....

it is a shorthand going back centuries.....

the fact that there are growing numbers of "Christians" who are getting to be like the proverbial 'princess and the Pea" on offense should give one pause though.....

it is sorta what I am talking about here.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 07:56 AM (kq1lG)

103 Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 11:48 AM (kq1lG)

Yeah, but I don't care about their respect. That's my point. They can respect Christianity, or not. They can respect me, or not. As C.S. Lewis once wrote: "There are, in the end, only two types of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.'"

I'm far too busy taking care of me and mine to worry about someone "desecrating" objects relating to my faith, or to care if they "respect" me or my religion.

Indeed, when the time comes for the camps, I won't seek them out, but, if captured, neither will I resist (I hope)- unless for the sake of others' survival.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 07:57 AM (8y9MW)

104 They should have used greek fire.

Posted by: Berserker at April 19, 2011 07:58 AM (FMbng)

105 If the hammer don't fit, you must acquit

( Hammer Time, Part Deux )

next stop, Serrano himself

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at April 19, 2011 07:59 AM (UqKQV)

106

And FWIW I'm looking at a prayer card for St. Wenceslaus that has a picture on the opposite side of the Saint on horseback trampling a dead Muslim's body who is holding a crescent-and-star shaped weapon.

We're in a Holy War, folks.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 07:59 AM (W30Dg)

107 " The only difference between the two is that Progressives use social and political persecution where Muslims use the deadly sort.""

Don't kid yourself, one side just has more balls. Unchecked the left would behave the same.

Posted by: Berserker at April 19, 2011 08:02 AM (FMbng)

108 Don't kid yourself, one side just has more balls. Unchecked the left would behave the same.

Posted by: Berserker at April 19, 2011 12:02 PM (FMbng)

Heh, I stand corrected.

Posted by: ErikW at April 19, 2011 08:03 AM (W30Dg)

109 107 AllenG,

and that makes you a better Christian by contemporary doctrinal standards than I probably am, and perhaps many others....

you were correct in your other example about the 1st and 2d century martyrs of course let's not pretend that the Emperors had particularly singled out Christians to abuse they abused lots of folk.

The thing is there are many martyrs from the Crusades as well.....so many in fact that there is a controversy in our nation's motherland about removing St. George's cross from the flag so as not to offend "her majesty's muslim subjects".....

yeah their intimidation campaign sure is not bearing fruit.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 08:07 AM (kq1lG)

110 The news isn't that the shock 'art" piece was vandalized, it's that there are a handful of French Catholics who would care to lift le petit doigt to do so.

Posted by: Marla at April 19, 2011 08:13 AM (kD8Fh)

111 Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 12:07 PM (kq1lG)

I try. Usually I fall short of the goals I set for myself- but I keep trying.

Of course their intimidation campaign is bearing fruit. And that saddens me. There's a line between what I think I should be doing- personally, as a Christian, and what society should be doing. The two are not always in agreement.

To me, Christianity is intensely personal. Not just in my relationship with God, but also in the burdens it places on my behavior. On the other hand, I still have to live in the world, and I have a responsibility to my neighbors. Part of blessing their lives and serving them is trying to get them to see the insidious evil that is Islam with the aid of "useful idiots" like the the left-dominated Media.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 19, 2011 08:13 AM (8y9MW)

112

I'm glad the Holy League popes didn't turn the other cheek when it came time to contribute armament and personnel to defeat the Ottomans. Otherwise today I might be sashaying about town in a hijab or burqua or other shroud-appearing finery.

YAY POPES

Posted by: Marla at April 19, 2011 08:19 AM (kD8Fh)

113 115 Allen G,

I just want to be clear so that my posts are not read as a call to Xian thuggery.

I can see NO justification in Xian misdeeds such as the above attack if the standard of "no faith is immune from criticism" is in fact the standard.....

were Xianity and islam being treated equally in their ability to infiltrate the campus with their overt displays of faith I would not have an issue.....

I have serious issue with supposedly 'impartial" atheist liberal self-appointed referees constantly letting islam gets its way in ways Xianity cannot dream of.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 08:20 AM (kq1lG)

114 116 Marla,

I have often said that we need to burn the leftist, socialist infiltration from the church and put people like the Borgias back in charge of the faith in these times.....

"tough popes"

Posted by: sven10077 at April 19, 2011 08:21 AM (kq1lG)

115 114 The news isn't that the shock 'art" piece was vandalized, it's that there are a handful of French Catholics who would care to lift le petit doigt to do so.

Posted by: Marla at April 19, 2011 12:13 PM (kD8Fh)

That's what I was thinking. "Wait, there are actually four Catholics in France that aren't just going through the motions?"

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 19, 2011 08:28 AM (QgI7g)

116

@118-

It's because the popes of the day understood the nature of an existential threat. I don't know if you have heard of the book "Good Bye Good Men", it was authored by a man who left seminary when he realized that the leftist infiltration of our church was in full throttle. The book was published shortly before the Boston sex abuse scandal broke. The author's words seemed prophetic at the time.

Posted by: Marla at April 19, 2011 08:30 AM (kD8Fh)

117

That's what I was thinking. "Wait, there are actually four Catholics in France that aren't just going through the motions?"

I don't know. Either the Muslim riots and disturbances have awakened some kind of warrior spirit in young Catholics, or the attackers were part of a staged operation. My friend's aunt has lived in Lyons for about a dozen years. She doesn't own a car anymore due to her previous vehicles having been burned in Muslim youth riots. She said it's not even worth the trouble.

Posted by: Marla at April 19, 2011 08:32 AM (kD8Fh)

118 "Wait, there are actually four Catholics in France that aren't just going through the motions?"

Maybe. I'm actually surprised it took Catholics this long to re-learn the whole fear=respect meme. I wonder how much longer before some nut decides to crucify Lady Gaga for real. And look, Madonna want's to join Opus Dei! Apparently Kabbalah ain't sinister enough for her.

Posted by: Iblis at April 19, 2011 08:46 AM (9221z)

119

Wars were never won by 'negotiation'. They are won by utterly destroying the enemy's will and/or ability to wage war. The modern Dims know this. The modern GOP does not.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - W. Churchill

2012 will tell us if it's time for a third party.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at April 19, 2011 08:54 AM (EhYdw)

120 It is a start. Everyone involved with putting that display up should pay the ultimate price for their foolishness. A few dozen curators wind up like Il Douche and this ends.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 19, 2011 09:02 AM (qIHlG)

121 Opus Dei

Opus Dei is sinister?

Posted by: mrp at April 19, 2011 09:55 AM (HjPtV)

122 Opus Dei is sinister?

Only if you believe all the BS in that Dan Brown book. Hey people, despite the lie inside the front flap, it is ALL fiction.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 10:08 AM (M9Ie6)

123 BTW, that wasn't a hit on you mrp.

Posted by: Vic at April 19, 2011 10:18 AM (M9Ie6)

124

Translation of 125:

Bwaaak, buk, buk, buk, bwaaak, buk, buk.

Posted by: Roy at April 19, 2011 10:32 AM (VndSC)

125 Who ordered the irony spam?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 19, 2011 10:57 AM (Y1DZt)

126 Well it'd be fun to see Mel Gibson and Madge in the pews together.

Posted by: Iblis at April 19, 2011 12:29 PM (9221z)

127 It is a rather terrible looking photograph. It would have been more iconic and ironic had someone pissed on it in the shape of a dollar sign. Two morons above mentioned Mapplethorpe. Those closest to Mapplethorpe have repeatedly argued he aimed to challenge you to either accept or reject the notion such depraved acts could at least LOOK beautiful. Those closest to Serrano argue that you either accept his proposition or you are an idiot. Dave Hickey (a long time RM supporter and friend) in his fantastic 'Enter the Dragon- Four Essays on Beauty' made a surprisingly well-thought defense of Jesse Helms, acknowledging that those on the right disgusted by Roberts work saw it for what it really was- an attempt to beautify the indefensible- and simply rejected it, not out of malice but out of beliefs and taste. A position Hickey disagrees with, but respects because it understands the question. You will never, ever read a defender of Serrano who even bothers to acknowledge the possibility of offensiveness. That is because, unlike with Mapplethorpe, there is no question. It just "is" and if you reject it well then you are x y and z. Mapplethorpe desired to make the "unacceptable" beautiful. Serrano desired to do the exact opposite, yet his supporters get angry at the reaction. BTW Empire of Jeff, so long as I could make your painting out of bacon and incorporate collages of images from SCORE magazine, I am happy to do that work on "Islamic reflection".

Posted by: CAC at April 19, 2011 01:04 PM (JEVge)

128

2 Timothy 1:7...
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Posted by: Krazy Kat at April 19, 2011 03:35 PM (oNphh)

129 That was not a vandal. That was an astute art critic.

Posted by: CMU VET at April 19, 2011 04:22 PM (CgTte)

130 The gallery director, Eric MÃ©zil, said it would reopen with the destroyed works on show "so people can see what barbarians can do".

I thought we were Philistines...

Posted by: Batznratz at April 19, 2011 05:29 PM (WTi7S)

131 The gallery director, Eric MÃ©zil, said it would reopen with the destroyed works on show "so people can see what barbarians can do". Visitors should pay their respects by creating a shrine with candles, flowers, teddy bears and buckets of piss.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 19, 2011 08:23 PM (mHQ7T)

132 I wonder how liberals would react to a PISS OBAMA art or showing the vietcong flag or mexican flag to use as a doormatt?

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at April 19, 2011 08:30 PM (vA9ld)

133 Unchecked the left would behave the same. Posted by: Berserker at April 19, 2011 12:02 PM (FMbng) When you Google "Republicans should" the first item that comes up is "be shot".

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 19, 2011 08:30 PM (mHQ7T)

134 Alternate headline:

Publicity seeking "artist" can't accept kinetic criticism of his work, probably wouldn't publish similar "artwork" of Muhammad.

Posted by: g at April 19, 2011 09:29 PM (LJBsr)

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