1 Vice President Cain has a nice ring to it.

2 Ol Herman and Michelle sure seem to take up for Mittens, their supposed main obstacle to the nomination, a awful lot.

Coincidence I am sure.

3 Just another instance of Cain talking faster than he thinks.

4 Fuck Cain

O/T: ABCNEWS to break another SOLYDRA-like story, sources tell DRUDGE... Developing...

5 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

6 Hey, comparing my feeling about abortion with what I'd actually do about it is like comparing apples and oranges.

7 Will this thread involve foot sniffing and/or piss drinking?

Please tell me now.

8 I like this Cain guy's political instincts.

9 priapism much....

10

11 Off, sock

12

I know we've had a lot of Cain today. Too much Cain really but it's unfair to do the original post without putting out his statement.

Uh huh.

13 I don't see anything wrong with Cain's statements.

Fake outrage.  Suck it.

14 Oh wonderful. Time for another round of Circular Firing Squad, everybody's favorite game.

15 Nien, nien, nien on the personal attacks.

16 I confess I had not read the entire transcript of the exchange this morning, so on the thread I defended Cain's answer as standard politician (even though I think it's a lousy position).  After reading the exchange this afternoon (the long-form one, not Drew's quotes above), I think it's a much worse answer than most pols give.  It really is incoherent or evasive or both. 

Still not why I'm not voting for the guy, but worse than I'd originally thought

17 As a conservative, I simply must say that I do like the cut of this fellow Romney's jib.

As for this fellow Cain, well...

All I can say is that I, as opposed to this pizza salesman, made my money the old fashioned way. I inherited it.

18 This is the beginning of the prolapse of the Cain campaign...

19 OT The Guardian: President warns other Middle Eastern dictators, particularly Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, that they could be next

20 Cain sure does seem to have a hate-on against Perry.  It's not hard to imagine he's trying to hitch his VP wagon to Mittens.

21

Will this thread involve foot sniffing and/or piss drinking?

Off, sock

There is your answer. Go for it.

22

The reason why I chose Perry is

1. because Cain knows jack shit about policies. I knew this already. Did all his current backers not see his right of return statement or the "I wont have a foreign ploicy till I'm president" crap?

2 He works for Romney

23 I had such high hopes. That being said, I'd walk through broken glass covered in salt through a valley of naplam while being raped by a syphallitic monkey to vote for him over Obama.

24 15 Nien, nien, nien on the personal attacks.

Was ist diese nien?

25 Why can't we discuss important issues, like how we're going to stop illegals from mowing Mitt's lawn?

26 For those (like me) who hadn't seen the whole exchange, here it is:

Cain: IÂ’m pro-life from conception, yes.
Stossel: Any cases where it should be legal?
Cain: I donÂ’t think government should make that decision.
Stossel: People should be free to abort a baby?
Cain: I support life from conception. No, people shouldnÂ’t just be free to abortbecause if we donÂ’t protect the sanctity of life from conception, we will also start to play God relative to life at the end of life.
Stossel: So IÂ’m confused on what your position is.
Cain: My position is IÂ’m pro-life. Period.
Stossel: If a woman is raped, she should not be allowed to end the pregnancy?
Cain: ThatÂ’s her choice. That is not governmentÂ’s choice. I support life from conception.
Stossel: So abortion should be legal?
Cain: No, abortion should not be legal. I believe in the sanctity of life.
Stossel: IÂ’m not getting it. IÂ’m not understanding it. If itÂ’s her choice, that means itÂ’s legal.
Cain: No. I donÂ’t believe a woman should have an abortion. Does that help to clear it up?
Stossel: Even if she is raped?
Cain: Even if she is raped or the victim of incest because there are other options. We must protect the sanctity of life and I have always believed that.

27 Herb Cain's bigger problem: doing interviews with fuckfaces like Piers Morgan and Lawrence pedophile O'Donnell.

28 syphallitic monkey

OMG. Ace said he was sick.

29 Herman Cain??

30

I'd walk through broken glass covered in salt through a valley of naplam while being raped by a syphallitic monkey to vote for him over Obama.

Do you have these dreams often?

31 I wont have a foreign ploicy till I'm president" crap?

As opposed to Rick Perry's tightly integrated, all-encompassing economic plan?  Wait, it'll be here in a day or two.  300 tops. 

32 didn't we do this thread already?

33 26
Clear as mud

34 >Was ist diese nien?


Ich blute stark und mir ist schlecht

35

"So the great hope of the "not Romney" camp is defending, er.....Mitt Romney."

Yes, but that is actually very smart strategy.  Cain needs Perry not to make a comeback so that Cain remains the last viable not-Romney standing.  Makes perfect sense, then, that he would claim Perry shot himself in the foot... while Perry was in the process of taking Mitt down a peg.  In that equation, both Mitt and Perry take hits, and Cain doesn't.

36 Herb Cain's bigger problem: doing interviews with fuckfaces like Piers Morgan and Lawrence pedophile O'Donnell.

If he can't handle them now, why would he be able to handle them during a campaign?

37 @34: Schweinhund!

38 Posted by: Rick Perry's pharmaceutical wonderland plane at October 20, 2011 07:38 PM (6TB1Z)

Hey, what about me?

39 23 I had such high hopes. That being said, I'd walk through broken glass covered in salt through a valley of naplam while being raped by a syphallitic monkey to vote for him over Obama.

Posted by: Bosk at October 20, 2011 07:34 PM (n2K+4)

Mmmm hmmm.  Go on.

40 I had accepted the inevitable, that Romney was going to win and he isn't that bad. It's not his liberal social values that are starting to bother me, nor RomneyCare, as I think if the House and Senate repealed ObamaCare, Romney would certainly go along. We have to reform entitlements are no one is talking about it. Depressing. And who knows what Romney believes. The guy is right of center, no doubt, but he just wants to win....too gutless to tackle reform. So who to support? Perry and Cain are morons. Gingrich himself attacked the Ryan plan. Bachman is a complete joke. We really needed Paul Ryan or Mitch Daniels to run...

41 VP Cain vs VP Slow Joe...no contest.

42 Memo to stpuid party: Stick to the G's Gas Groceries Greece

43

Posted by: soothsayer at October 20, 2011 07:41 PM (xIzGn)

You forgot rape.

44 Cain needs a campaign staff that will just run the gamut of issues with him. Every candidate has a giant briefing book they go through so they can have a competent sounding response for every possible issue.

These are pretty basic questions he should have canned responses for.

45 @37

Lesbe.

46 So the great hope of the "not Romney" camp is defending, er.....Mitt Romney.

Yes, no one loves teh crackaz. Not even the dumb black guy. They're alone. Silenced. Off in the wilderness, making sounds no one whose voice counts will ever echo.

Whereas you're all up in the shit. With people who matter. Because...well...you're not Them. And you say so. So you must be important, in a way. Because important people hear you. They must. You say what they want to hear.

Do you feel good? Better, at least? I mean, you know Mitt would never have anything to do with you, even by proxy, because you're nobody, someone for his guards to keep out of reach of him, but hey—maybe you can fuck up some crackas' day, make them feel a little more hopeless.

Because...what else?

Nothing.

47 We really needed Paul Ryan or Mitch Daniels to run...

Yep, but they aren't.  So we take the next best thing we can get.  Even if it's Romney.  Still lightyears ahead of Barack "the Destroyer" Obama.

48 Barack "the Destroyer" Obama.

Barack "Sword of Allah - Killer of Muslims" Obama.

49 Memo to stpuid party: Stick to the 4 G's Gas Groceries Greece Gobs

50 didn't we do this thread already?

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 20, 2011 07:38 PM (aYQHH)

Has that ever stopped it before?

51 Herman Cain is not only a great American, he makes a hell of a pizza.

52 We're drowning under a metric fuckton of debt, we're being led by a petulant child in the WH, we're losing our freedoms to marxist's who desire to see our children live as slaves and all you assholes can do is tattle on every misspoken word from people who we should try to be helping.

Great jobs dumbasses.

Please let us know if Santorum has bad breath, or if Paul ever jay walked okay.

53
3 Rs of the Dem Party

Rape
Redistribute
Racism

54 didn't we do this thread already?

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 20, 2011 07:38 PM (aYQHH)

Yes and it'll be repeated ad infinitum up to the Elections.

I'm with Cain, bottom line. Character means a lot.

55 " Perry strutted in shoulders back and up posture of a Military officer at attention"

He probably remembers his time in the military as a officer. Plus he is wearing a back brace from surgery a few months ago.

Your next weak ass point please.

56

Some days you just gotta say "Fuck it" and fling your own poo.

 

High five!

57 Jobs Debt Jobs Inflation Cost of energy / food Jobs

58 The three S's of the Democrap Party:

sodomy
stimulus
Soros

59 I've got a great idea:

Let's revisit blue on blue topics two or three times a day. From now until election day 2012.

I guarantee it's a winning strategy!

60 sooth again.....herb cain is dead.......herman cain is running for president

61 didn't we do this thread already? ----------------------------------------- DOOM in the morning.... DREWM in the evening....

62 LOL - Cain's a loser.

63 does perry really want to be president?

64 hey....this is not my hash............where's my exoblahblahblah one?

65 Time for another look at Jeb Bush?

66 Cain is Not-Romney. Perry is Also-Not-Romney. Ergo, Not-Romney needs to protect his flank from Also-Not-Romney. NTTAWWT.

This isn't rocket surgery.

67 Let's revisit blue on blue topics

I've seen this several times lately, and I'm confused.  Aren't we the red ones?

Also, what are twinkles?

68 hey....this is not my hash............where's my exoblahblahblah one?

Test.

69 So the great hope of the "not Romney" camp is defending, er.....Mitt Romney.

Thanks for that knife twist right there.

Still trying to find a replacement for him.
Rick "You're Heartless" Perry doesn't seem to be it.
Neither does Newt "≈Romney" Gingrich.

Since you decided to piss in my wheaties (Though I wasn't eating them anymore anyway) what would you suggest?

70
Forget the rest of this crap and focus on this:
economy
jobs
SCOAMF failure
economy
jobs
SCOAMF failure
economy
jobs
SCOAMF failure

Only Mittens is electable. FIFY

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at October 20, 2011 07:50 PM (qjUnn)

71 pep twinkles are wiggling your fingers on both hands pointed upward if you agree with what someone is saying...down twinkles, point down in disagreement

72 >>I've seen this several times lately, and I'm confused. Aren't we the red ones? That's the point, pep: Skewering each other on Dems' favorite topics doesn't help Reps much.

73 No Cain, No Gain!

74 Sarah Palin calls him Herb and that's what I'm goin with.

75 how about "pure cain sugar!"

76 Now they are regulating our cell phone carriers, forcing them to notify their customers, when exorbitant overage rates are ready to kick in. Stupid libs, where the hell do you think the execs, get their money for their salary, if not from those fees? Dummy libs, those big checks create jobs building second and third homes, buying boats, Hermes handbags, etc. They are the job creators.

77 hey....this is not my hash............where's my exoblahblahblah one?

If you're connected to the internet using DHCP server, then it might have changed your IP address, which will change your hash.

78 OT but must see...really made me rethink my oppostion to OWS and the SCOAMF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW56Z-0xwIQ

79 pep twinkles are wiggling your fingers on both hands pointed upward if you agree with what someone is saying...down twinkles, point down in disagreement

Thanks, but it sounds like hook 'em horns to me. 

80 Id much rather talk shit about and smear Obama than any Republican.

81 Ron Paul, 2012

82 sooth oh...funny....gah......herb wrote for the san francisco chronicle....he was a lib............

83 70 It's a smart military blog; "blue on blue" refers to "friend versus friend" because the bad guys are always red. (Hence, "Red Flag" referring to the guys who pretend to be the bad guys.)

"Twinkles" is a stupid OWS thing. "Twinkles" or "up twinkles" refers to agreement; "down twinkles", disagreement.

84 pep all fingers up

85 Meanwhile, why we parse this language, the TSA will be searching cars for the non-announced but specific reason to confiscate your weapons.  How do I know this?  Because thats what they do.  Incrementalism, now that your used to getting hand raped at the airport.

86 weeeeeeee've got a troll!

87 Lord, trace can sing......sigh

88 Quite frankly I dont give a damn if Herb Cain was once Chastity Bono.

89
Let's revisit blue on blue topics

I've seen this several times lately, and I'm confused.  Aren't we the red ones?

Also, what are twinkles?

Posted by: pep at October 20, 2011 07:51 PM (6TB1Z)

Blue on blue means fratricide.

Twinkles are the GOP equivalent of skittles. Romney is the only candidate who has them.

90 Circular firing squad with bazookas. The site needs an enema.

91 53:  How do we ever get these people to understand this?  They are letting the left deflect the narrative to these other issues, instead of on the asshole SCOAMF.

92 Meanwhile, why we parse this language, the TSA will be searching cars for the non-announced but specific reason to confiscate your weapons.  How do I know this?  Because thats what they do.  Incrementalism, now that your used to getting hand raped at the airport.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 20, 2011 07:57 PM (xOy1A)

Elaboration, please?  I hadn't heard this ...

93 LOL - Cain's a loser.

Posted by: HondaV65 at October 20, 2011 07:49 PM (Wm6n5)

How? He stands on his own position. You can probably rip him for being ignorant on foreign issues but you cannot diss him on how to run an economy.

94 as long as the troll isn't the gotham princess.....i don't care........i'm glad that "c" word is gone.......

95 Cain is Not-Romney. Perry is Also-Not-Romney. Ergo, Not-Romney needs to protect his flank from Also-Not-Romney. NTTAWWT.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 20, 2011 07:51 PM (REXkU)

How about this....

"That exchange reflected poorly on both of them. Perry was wrong not to let Mitt talk but at the same time, Mitt's calling out for help from Anderson Cooper makes me wonder if he has what it takes to go toe to toe with Obama.

Personally, I think between Mitt's "I can't have illegals, I'm running for office for Pete's sake" and Perry's support for illegals paying instate rates for college, neither of them is very strong on immigration.

I'm the only candidate who has been consistent on this issue. I'll build a fence, etc".

Of course he hasn't been consistent but that's another issue.

Cain's just a lousy candidate and he wound up helping Mitt there. Fantastic!

96 Meanwhile, why we parse this language, the TSA will be searching cars for the non-announced but specific reason to confiscate your weapons.

You want stupid? Some of our own have introduced a bill in the House to criminalize making fun of the TSA.

Thanks, guys.

97 herb was better looking than poor chastity.......but not by much

98 For the primaries, I'm voting for Perry.  For the general, anyone but the SCOAMF.  Too much chaos in the election process anymore.  Just the way the dems/leftists/marxists like it.

99
Thank you for your Pizza Hut order
Your order is on its way!

Order Details:  
 
1 - Large Pan Pizza   
1 - Breadsticks w/Cheese with Marinara Sauce - single order



Suck it, Cain.

100 JimPethokoukis James Pethokoukis

BREAKING: Perry flat tax devised all-star econ team: John Taylor, John Cogan, David Malpass (via @TheKudlowReport )

101 This comes as no surprise but you're being a bit hard on him. He didn't state his position exactly as presidential, but that does seem to be the gist of what he was saying. He was saying basically "I can hold whatever position I want but can only do so much in the office." I'd love to see a candidate be more clear and specific about that.

Circular firing squad with bazookas.

Yeah its kind of sad, supposedly these guys are all on our side, right? So lets treat them like they're on our team, rather than the rival's team huh?

102 Elaboration, please?  I hadn't heard this ...

Instapundit linked to an article about the TSA operating on Tennessee freeways today.

103

pep twinkles are wiggling your fingers on both hands pointed upward if you agree with what someone is saying...down twinkles, point down in disagreement

I tried to to give twinkles while giving a speech back in '88, which is why I had to drop out of the race. Apu at the Dunkin' Donuts said it meant something obscene, and I wrenched my back while he was chasing me with a gherkin, so don't screw around with me, Twinkle Toes!

Gotta go; time for 'Nilla Wafers.

104 This day has had an extra helping of clusterage on it. Pass the ValuRite.

105 65 does perry really want to be president?

Posted by: phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 20, 2011 07:49 PM (SH3gZ)

I'm FED UP with this question. FED UP, I tell ya. Did I mention I am FED UP?

106 Instapundit linked to an article about the TSA operating on Tennessee freeways today.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 20, 2011 08:01 PM (bjRNS)

Thanks, man.  I picked it up at Drudge in the interim.

107 Caine is right, you are lazy if you are not rich.

108 81 OT but must see...really made me rethink my oppostion to OWS and the SCOAMF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW56Z-0xwIQ

Posted by: NfromNC at October 20, 2011 07:54 PM (MbeEN)

Gold!

109 Once.  Just once, I'd like a Republican to say, "I've changed my mind.  I'm not only for abortion, I'm for *retroactive* abortion. And I'm making a list. Now, Mr. Reporter, could you spell your name for me, please?"

110 Joe Biden and his "shoot from the hip" style is probably not the best role model Cain could pick if he is in fact angling for a VP slot with Mitt (or anyone else).

111 as long as the troll isn't the gotham princess.....i don't care........i'm glad that "c" word is gone.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 20, 2011 07:59 PM (SH3gZ)

Shit, I missed it.   Spill...

112 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

113 These threads just depress me. I'm off to listen to Joy Division to cheer me up

114 I had to close down all the Godfather's Pizza franchises in Louisiana because the customers kept trying to pay in cash.

115

The correct answer is that it should be up to the individual states, not the federal gummit.  That's the whole purpose of the 10th Amendment.

Maybe that's what Cain was trying to say, maybe not.

116 Cain's just a lousy candidate and he wound up helping Mitt there. Fantastic!

Posted by: DrewM. at October 20, 2011 07:59 PM (WNzUA)

Maybe, but if Perry wants to be (a) president and (b) an effective president, he has to seal the deal.  The only reason that Cain even has the numbers he does is that Perry did horribly in 2 debates and mediocre in another.

117 Good question, girl from feenix. Answer: Not as much as we want him to be president, evidently.

118 this blog is going downhill fast.

119 94 53:  How do we ever get these people to understand this?  They are letting the left deflect the narrative to these other issues, instead of on the asshole SCOAMF.

Posted by: tommygun at October 20, 2011 07:58 PM (T2ydq)

So when do we get to discuss social issues? Is there ever the right time? This is the problem with Cain and even Perry when he pushed off gay marriage as 10th amendment issue. When politicians on the right are to afraid to address social issues out of political correctness and personal political gain that's when the left is setting the narrative.

120 84 Ron Paul,  1988 1992 1996 2000 2004 2008 2012

fify

121 holy cow amishdude i'm prolife but i wouldn't care if some of these creeps were retroactively aborted...........

122 Libs, you idiots, everyone can be a 1 percenter, if everyone works hard enough.

123

Yeah its kind of sad, supposedly these guys are all on our side, right? So lets treat them like they're on our team, rather than the rival's team huh?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 20, 2011 08:01 PM (r4wIV)

 

The DNC plants the disguise themselves as conservatives will make sure that never happens.

124 84 Ron Paul, 2012

Posted by: I Hate Libs at October 20, 2011 07:55 PM (ql1dc)

I'm feelind ya.

125 GO RANGERS!!!!! (sorry tami)

126

These threads just depress me. I'm off to listen to Joy Division to cheer me up

350125 GO!

127 It is a consumately conservative position to be against abortion but believe it is a States choice.

128 doesn't this guy have a degree in math?

129 The word is that Perry has some heavyweight economists working on his flat tax plan, and it will be legit and detailed. Perhaps time to give Perry a second look despite his performance thus far.

130 132 doesn't this guy have a degree in math?

Posted by: DJ Monghee at October 20, 2011 08:09 PM (3ySTf)

Incredibly yes.

131 a phd in physics?

132 135 a phd in physics?

Posted by: DJ Monghee at October 20, 2011 08:11 PM (3ySTf)

Hardly.

133 31 I wont have a foreign ploicy till I'm president" crap?

As opposed to Rick Perry's tightly integrated, all-encompassing economic plan? Wait, it'll be here in a day or two. 300 tops.

Posted by: Rick Perry's pharmaceutical wonderland plane at October 20, 2011 07:38 PM (6TB1Z)

And yet Perry's plans have come out faster than Romney's.  It took Romney 3 months to come out with his 59 point plan.  Even longer when you consider Romney's announcement to be sort of a joke.  I mean who didn't think Romney was going to announce well before the June announcement.

134 I just want to beat Obama.I'm not criticizing any Republican candidate.Except Ron Paul.

135 Does Perry's collar rise an inch every debate?

136 OT The Guardian: President warns other Middle Eastern dictators, particularly Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, that they could be next

Posted by: Cherry pi at October 20, 2011 07:33 PM (OhYCU)

so does this mean uk is letting us know what our president is going to do next?

sigh, i'm always the last to know

137

Ph.D

Post hole digger.

138 Didn't have time to see if someone else mentioned it, but HA has an interesting piece on Barky and Steve Jobs.

139

And yet Perry's plans have come out faster than Romney's.  It took Romney 3 months to come out with his 59 point plan.  Even longer when you consider Romney's announcement to be sort of a joke.  I mean who didn't think Romney was going to announce well before the June announcement.

Posted by: buzzion at October 20, 2011 08:12 PM (GULKT)

 

Romney has had three years to work out an economics plan since he hasn't been doing shit since 2008.

140 Oh yeah .,.. OT for sure.  Sorry

141 Like a tiger in the tall grass.

142 "138 I just want to beat Obama.I'm not criticizing any Republican candidate.Except Ron Paul."

Why do you hate freedom? Are you a communist?

143 I don't suppose it's occurred to anyone here that the reason Cain said he thought Perry came across as a hostile asshole in his exchange with Mitt Romney is because...he actually came across like a hostile asshole to anyone who isn't already so deep in the tank with their hatred of Romney? 

Maybe there's just a chance of that.  Because that seems to have been the overwhelming reaction of everyone I've seen except the hardcore committed I-hate-Romney folks.  Including Luntz's focus group, and the majority of commentators I've read so far.

Nah, y'all are right.  Cain's probably just taking dirty Bain money under the table from Mitt in order to sabotage the dreams of True Conservatives.  Hey, my Occam's Razor is pretty rusty anyway, might as well just toss it out and embrace conspiracy theories. 

144 138 I just want to beat Obama.I'm not criticizing any Republican candidate.Except Ron Paul.

Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2011 08:13 PM (fyOgS)

But, but, Ron Paul has the most foreign policy experience.

145
this blog is going downhill fast.

Posted by: b7183 at October 20, 2011 08:06 PM (dg/Yt)

I agree. You can thank some of the cob-loggers for it.

146 Hey, Gutfeld has that tortured metaphor thing going for him so in his honor here is my tortured metaphor to defend Mr. Cain. I love my wife and kids, yet I spend 80 sometimes 100 hours a week away from them. Someone (OWS) would say "cha, if ya truly, reals-like loved 'em you would stay home and screw da work thing!". We all know that work provides for the family so that going to the extreme of not working is not viable fro family or society. To Mr. Cain's defense life is important but of equal but competing importance is the American ideal of Liberty. To choose what is right for themselves. Mr. Cain would sacrifice his view on the love of life to ensure that no dictator could come to power to threaten the liberty of all.

147 And some of the commenters ...like that a-hole Soothsayer.

148 >>>Cain's just a lousy candidate and he wound up helping Mitt there. Fantastic!

Gee, Drew, I'm sorry that Herman Cain doesn't exist solely to fulfill your fantasies of building up Rick Perry and dousing Mitt Romney with gasoline and setting him on fire.  His virtue -- he calls it as he sees it, for better or worse -- is also his flaw.

149 "I agree. You can thank some of the cob-loggers for it."

Whats a cob-logger?

150 You didn't want Palin, remember? So now ya got Romney, Perry, and Cain and your whining just as much if not more. lol Me, I'm happy as a clam. He's not quite as impressive as Sarah, but I loves me some Herman in 2012. Anyone with the guts to make jokes about zapping illegals at the border beats the crap out of someone bragging about giving them in-state tuition. Or the unapologetic champion of pre-ObamaCare. Now keep a smile on yer lips and a song in your heart. It's all looking a lot better than it did a year ago

151 147 I don't suppose it's occurred to anyone here that the reason Cain said he thought Perry came across as a hostile asshole in his exchange with Mitt Romney is because...he actually came across like a hostile asshole to anyone who isn't already so deep in the tank with their hatred of Romney? 

Maybe there's just a chance of that.  Because that seems to have been the overwhelming reaction of everyone I've seen except the hardcore committed I-hate-Romney folks.  Including Luntz's focus group, and the majority of commentators I've read so far.

Nah, y'all are right.  Cain's probably just taking dirty Bain money under the table from Mitt in order to sabotage the dreams of True Conservatives.  Hey, my Occam's Razor is pretty rusty anyway, might as well just toss it out and embrace conspiracy theories. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 20, 2011 08:15 PM (hIWe1)

And who here doesn't think Romney could beat Obama?

152 >>>350125 GO!

This is why events unnerve me...

153

 His virtue -- he calls it as he sees it, for better or worse -- is also his flaw

Hmmm.  More like pull shit out of his ass on the fly.

I like Cain personally, but I don't think he's thought much about some of this stuff.

154 hahaha jeeze.

155 I'm ready for a serious primary...and that doesn't include Brother Cain.

156

150

Not sure if you tortured that analogy or just confused it.

brb, gotta read my 'Hooked on Phonics'

157 Stinking libs, you have destroyed the country with your freedom hating regulations. Those bankers you seek to regulate create jobs, lots of jobs. Maids, doormen, home building, etc, etc, etc, they are the job creators.

158 Look. I know Laura Ingraham is going to cry into her pillow. And I know a lot of you had your hearts set on us having OUR black guy - anti raciss armor, and all that. But Cain is an idiot. He can barely speak english. He has no friggin idea, outside of racist rocks, and NON NON NON! Enough with him. Enough. Let it rest.

159 "You didn't want Palin, remember? "

I said she didn't have the guts to run. And I was correct. St Sarah of the Perpetual Victimhood didn't have the spine to get in the race.

As much as I despise Romney (Who I will vote for if he is the nominee) at least he has the guts to get in the race and debate the other candidates.

Unlike ol half term.

160 You want stupid? Some of our own have introduced a bill in the House to criminalize making fun of the TSA.

Thanks, guys.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at October 20, 2011 07:59 PM (bjRNS)

You know, it's times like these when Republicans really do seem to be hardly different from Democrats.

161 I like Cain, He reminds me of a father I'd wished I had.
Don't know if He can get himself ready in time to win the primary. we'll see
also like Perry. i guess i'm in the tank for both of them.
cause  Romney is Not conservative.

162 romney is poifect folks, unlike those others.

163 162 Look.

I know Laura Ingraham is going to cry into her pillow. And I know a lot of you had your hearts set on us having OUR black guy - anti raciss armor, and all that.

But Cain is an idiot. He can barely speak english. He has no friggin idea, outside of racist rocks, and NON NON NON!

Enough with him. Enough. Let it rest.

Posted by: Joe at October 20, 2011 08:22 PM (ItELF)

Look in the mirror. What do YOU see? And it's not spelled 'raciss'.

164

I like Cain personally, but I don't think he's thought much about some of this stuff.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 20, 2011 08:20 PM (dDAmb)

My ass, you know better.

165 Everyone's a fascist, except Ron Paul.

166 hey Joe, speak for yourself.

167 Well, at least Santorum is still wallowing around down in the single numbers. Question for you neo-Puritans, if the GOP is the values party, why is Santorum apparently scoring so low and Mittens leading?

168 Ir's funny how some of you still think it might not be Romney.

169 He seems a little young and abrasive,  maybe in 2020

170

My ass, you know better.

When I know more about basic concepts like "right of return" than a major party presidential candidate, I'm probably not going to be inclined to support him.

171 The bill's Democrat authors are as follows:
Rep. Michael Rogersz [R-AL3]Rep. Mo Brooksz [R-AL5]Rep. Chip Cravaackz [R-MN8]Rep. Peter Kingz [R-NY3]Rep. Daniel Lungren [R-CA3]Rep. Timothy Walberg [R-MI7] All Republicans? Wait, what? With Constitutional friends like these, who needs the Democrats?

Peter King is a gun grabbing northeast cocksucker like Christie.

172 >>>Question for you neo-Puritans, if the GOP is the values party, why is Santorum apparently scoring so low and Mittens leading? Posted by: dr kill at October 20, 2011 08:25 PM (le5qc) Because Santorum is a buffoon who thinks losing his own state by 20% means we should make him our presidential candidate.

173 @ 164 names from your emesis inducing link: Rep. Michael Rogersz [R-AL3] Rep. Mo Brooksz [R-AL5] Rep. Chip Cravaackz [R-MN8] Rep. Peter Kingz [R-NY3] Rep. Daniel Lungren [R-CA3] Rep. Timothy Walberg [R-MI7] Forget jobs Forget cutting spending, even the EZ Peasy ones like NPR By gawd we Republicans need to shut people up who criticize the TSA.

174

>>>Hmmm.  More like pull shit out of his ass on the fly.

>>>I like Cain personally, but I don't think he's thought much about some of this stuff.

Oh I totally agree.  He shoots from the hip.  And I'm sure that's exactly what he was doing here too.  I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that there was no political calculation whatsoever in his expressed opinion about the Romney-Perry exchange: he genuinely thinks, as most people do (the commenters here being a remarkable and self-selecting exception), that Perry came across as an utter tool during the debate.  The point is that he's not saying stuff like this because he's "running interference for Romney" on purpose, or because there's some sort of tacit agreement between the two of them, or any of that conspiratorial nonsense.  He's saying it because it's actually what he believes.

Now the thing is, the people who continue to support Herman Cain here keep praising him for...being honest and straightforward.  Saying what he believes.  Not engaging in that dastardly "Romney-like" calculation that we're all supposed to hate.  But now, suddenly, when he expresses an honest opinion that reflects poorly on Perry and doesn't dump on Mitt as hoped, out come the "fuck you Cain!" and "he must on the take!" accusations.  It's embarrassing for the people making those accusations, or would be if I thought those folks were capable of enough self-reflection to feel shame.

So, to recap: the very thing we're supposed to like about Cain (his bluff no-bullshit frankness) is also, as we have seen over and over again, his major weakness: he just shoots from the lip.  Sometimes he gives an honest opinion that violates the "Romney must die" precepts that bind a lot of Cain (or Perry) supporters, sometimes he says something embarrassingly uninformed, sometimes he makes a hash of his positions like the abortion thing.  But it all goes to the core of who he is as a candidate.

175 USS, hell it might be Romney. Likely will be, Doesn't mean i have to go down without a few words of disappointment.

176

Posted by: AmishDude at October 20, 2011 08:04 PM (73tyQ)

Back in the Navy I had a Pharmacy print up a label for a bottle of aspirin... marked as "Retroactive Birth Control Pills" with a prescription for a Guys Mother... told him to send it to her...

He didn't get it until someone explained... /doh... facepalm

177 173 He seems a little young and abrasive,  maybe in 2020

Santorum should run for governor before he runs for president, just to make sure his own state still loves him. Or something.

178

Posted by: DaMav at October 20, 2011 08:28 PM (QNU76)

yes becasue even though the Government works FOR the people... even thought they PAY for it... they should not be empowered to make fun of it, even with freedom of speech!

179

When I know more about basic concepts like "right of return" than a major party presidential candidate, I'm probably not going to be inclined to support him.

Fine.

180 I agree. You can thank some of the cob-loggers for it.

This is nothing. Just wait, if Cain doesn't fall in the polls ,and you'll see. It's as predictable as the sunrise.

181 Rick Santorum couldn't win Lycoming County Commissioner.

182 Breaker every bit of experience would help, He really does have potential.

183 Rick started a fight and promptly lost, how ya suppose he'll do against the lyin king?

184 Gee, Drew, I'm sorry that Herman Cain doesn't exist solely to fulfill your fantasies of building up Rick Perry and dousing Mitt Romney with gasoline and setting him on fire. 
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 20, 2011 08:18 PM (hIWe1)

Just curious but how you square that idiocy with what I actually wrote? You may have missed it but I wrote that Cain passed on an opportunity to go after Mitt AND Perry.

Just keep living in your own little world.

185 I'd like to see President Cain appoint Santorum to the Supreme Court. And with the blessings of Providence and firm support of great Americans perhaps he will :-)

186 so does this mean this room is destined to Be a Romney room pretty soon?

187 Mitt's the Shit!

188 And who here doesn't think Romney could beat Obama?

Me. Though it could just be low blood sugar talking.

Too many people think Mitt is emblematic of what's wrong with the party -- if he gets the nomination, the fire's gonna go out of the base, and we'll be looking at a third party. If not 2012, by 2016.

189 190 so does this mean this room is destined to Be a Romney Romper room pretty soon?

Yes.

190 >>>Just curious but how you square that idiocy with what I actually wrote? You may have missed it but I wrote that Cain passed on an opportunity to go after Mitt AND Perry.

You're right.  I missed it, flat out.  I fucked up.  Sorry about that.

191 " if he gets the nomination, the fire's gonna go out of the base, and we'll be looking at a third party. If not 2012, by 2016."

And anyone who votes third party in 2012 if Romney the cocksucker is the nominee is a Obama supporter.

192 Jeff, just for fun, May i call you a Romneybot.
I've always wanted to do that to someone after the joy i experienced being a Palinbot.

193 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 20, 2011 08:36 PM (hIWe1)

Been there, done that myself.

194 OT but how the fuck did big baby douche NOT defraud SS?They saying being a fucking baby freak is now legit??

195 I swear if the cobloggers do one more Cain bash the site is going to burst into Armageddon. Need to stop the friendly fire dudes.

196

Debt is approaching 100% of GCP within days.  Obama's annual deficit is equal to the entire net worth of the top 400 wealthiest Americans.  Marxist are trying to take down our entire economy with the help of the media and the left. 

Clearly Herman Cain's abortion views are more important that all these combined. 

197 198 OT but how the fuck did big baby douche NOT defraud SS?They saying being a fucking baby freak is now legit??

Posted by: steevy at October 20, 2011 08:38 PM (fyOgS)

I DON'T KNOW YOU!!!

198 What is Romney's record with minority voters? I know Perry got 37%+ of the Hispanic vote in the last election. Has Mitt ever shown he can get that kind of support w/latinos?

199 steevy, wild huh. a baby that can walk, talk, work, build his own crib.
It's amazing baby einstein the Jack of all Babies!

200

GDP, not GCP

201 177 Peter King is a big gov R cock sucker.

202 You're right.  I missed it, flat out.  I fucked up.  Sorry about that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 20, 2011 08:36 PM (hIWe1)

That's what a text-book non apology looks like.

203 Cain sucks in my book in that he is totally backing Romney. Here is my thought on Romney... Mind you I am happily married for 25 years.... Romney is the date that would say anything I wanted to hear. He would sell his soul to tell me what I wanted to hear. It was up to me to welcome or refuse his intentions. I relish the control of saying... without a doubt... NO WAY! Hate me or love me that is Romney is the cheap date wanting something. A BIG something.

204 Posted by: Fair Tax Forever at October 20, 2011 08:39 PM (dt9ss)

Don't complain to us. Complain to your candidate. He's the one making these gaffes. Are we supposed to ignore it when the current front runner says or does something newsworthy?

205 >>>That's what a text-book non apology looks like.

Seriously?  How could I be more sincere?  I admitted that I misread his post, flatly acknowledged that it was my fault, my fuck-up, and then apologized for it.  Unless you're being sarcastic or something I honestly don't know what you're talking about. 

206 >>>Jeff, just for fun, May i call you a Romneybot.

Sure, but not just yet.  I'm still a pre-op trans-Romneybot.  Let me get these Bain cybernetic enhancements surgically grafted into my scalp and THEN  you can fire away.

I'm warning you, though -- they're going to turn me into liquid metal, so good luck hitting your target.

207 207 Cain sucks in my book in that he is totally backing Romney. Here is my thought on Romney...


Mind you I am happily married for 25 years....

Romney is the date that would say anything I wanted to hear. He would sell his soul to tell me what I wanted to hear. It was up to me to welcome or refuse his intentions.

I relish the control of saying... without a doubt... NO WAY!

Hate me or love me that is Romney is the cheap date wanting something. A BIG something.

Posted by: macintx at October 20, 2011 08:41 PM (ucs8Y)

Yeah, and then once he got you to say yes, got you to third base, he'd suddenly realize that he forgot his 'protection'... and leave you hanging...

208 Listen up doubters, I insert weird pauses between syllables when I speak- like most educated black folk.

209 211 No,if you "forget" you say,"Comeon babe,I'm totally clean".

210 202 Has Mitt ever shown he can get that kind of support w/latinos?

Jes.  We like Meester Mitch berry much. 








^{_{I'm sorry.  I couldn't resist.}}

211 But it all goes to the core of who he is as a candidate.
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 20, 2011 08:28 PM

Most of the time, he calls it as I see it, too.

Perry did come off like a jerk when he was comparing dick size with Mutt Romney. And it is possible to be strongly against abortion without wanting the government to step in and make yet another decision for people. (you KJLopez-like vehement single-issue abortion-haters need not reply. I agree with you in principle, just not in enforcement.)

Also, I find it sad that Ace and his cob-loggers will take every opportunity to piss in Cain's cornflakes, even to the extent of using tortuous logic to interpret his words far differently than many others do. Maybe the guy makes goofs, but, goddamnit, he is out there, not burping pablum like Mutt Romney or bloviating -- mainly at debates, where he has gotten a pretty easy ride so far -- like The Newt.

I haven't heard a thing from Ace, Drew, Malor, etc., etc. that makes me change my mind: I'll vote for Perry, even if he is sometimes a stumbling half-wit, or I'll vote for Cain before I'll vote for Mutt Romney. I'll vote for any one of the three (or Bachmann) before I'll vote for Osama Obama.

And I admit it: I'll vote for Ron-fucking-Paul before I'll vote for the SCoaMF.

212 195 I agree. But if Nevada does move up its primary, it's a blatant pro-Romney move by the establishment, against which the base has been revolting since 2009.

213 >>>Listen up doubters, I insert weird pauses between syllables when I speak- like most educated black folk.

What is this supposed to mean, exactly?

214 Don't complain to us. Complain to your candidate. He's the one making these gaffes. Are we supposed to ignore it when the current front runner says or does something newsworthy?

Oh damn. I knew I should have picked that one in the pool.

215 Thank you for the good writeup. It in fact was a amusement account it. Look advanced to more added agreeable from you! However, how could we communicate?

216 Yeah, and then once he got you to say yes, got you to third base, he'd suddenly realize that he forgot his 'protection'... and leave you hanging... Posted by: Romeo13 Not for this one.

217 OT Synthetivc marijuana?The 4 players from LSU tested positive to synthetic marijuana,WTF.

218 Cain is a disaster in the offing. Like I've posted before, if Obama proposed the 9-9-9 tax plan, we conservatives would rightfully be up in arms. We all should fear a Value Added Tax like the plague. A hidden process tax that raises incredible tax revenues even with a seemingly low rate. And make no mistake: the 9 in Herman's plan that stands for his version of a business tax is NOTHING but a devastating tax. Stay with me here, you simply HAVE to try to understand this: Cain is proposing taxing business income less cost of goods sold by 9 percent. Cost of Goods sold is the cost of turning raw materials into a finished good: in other words, the labor, the material, and manufacturing overhead like the electricity that runs the plant. So look at this scenario: A company has sales of $1,000 selling goods it cost it $400 to create. That means $600 will be subject to the 9 percent tax... $54. Now, the company may have many other expenses, like all white collar labor, all advertising, sales commissions, freight, on and on... and, of course, depreciation. In fact... this company may in fact be LOSING money, and yet still have to pay this 9 percent "subtraction method Value Added Tax," as Cain's own scoring report on his proposal calls this thing. So if the company has net income of only $200 on that $1,000 of sales... it will STILL have to pay the $54! That means its net income would have been $254 without the tax. $54 is 22% of $254!! On top of that, every manufactured component it buys to make it's own parts ALSO had that 9% VAT added to it, so with the new tax its $1,000 worth of sales would have been from the sale of good that cost (assuming half of the cost was for manufactured components) $418, not just $400. So it's net income would then only be $182... in effect, it would pay $54 + $18 more because of the VAT than without it. That's $72, or 39.5% of it's lower net income of $182! And don't think this approach somehow eliminates the IRS: the oldest trick in the book is for companies to play games with how they categorize overhead costs. You can BET that companies would seek to classify just about every bit of G&A costs ("General and Administrative" type costs, such as the pay of all white collar workers, electricity in the office, the president's salary, etc.) into the Manufacturing Overhead pool to try to maximize Cost of Goods Sold. That means the IRS would be out in full force, checking every last penny a company ever spent to make sure they're not trying to avoid the VAT. THEN add to Crazy Herman's - I mean, this guy is freaking whacked! - VAT scheme a national sales tax that will instantly make EVERYTHING you buy 9 percent more expensive. And of course, the crazy VAT just made everything more expensive even BEFORE the federal sales tax... And THEN remember that this freaking A-Hole (there is NO OTHER WAY TO EVALUATE HIM) doesn't even eliminate the income tax, merely lowers it... (and what can be lowered, can be RAISED later).... And What The Hell Have You Got? A recipe for a freaking disaster. Conservatives have successfully resisted a European type VAT for decades, and this DOPE and his dopey followers are doing the Liberal's dirty work for them by making the VAT a conservative objective! What kind of freaking nightmare IS THIS?? Then remember that Cain can't even articulate his abortion position, and is a total ignoramus on foreign policy at a time we have two wars (does Uganda count as a war? Who the hell knows anymore) and a rising China and challenges all over the Globe... Anyone seriously thinking of supporting Cain needs to take a deep breath, think a bit more about his proposals and what they REALLY would mean... and , if after all that they still support him, have their head examined.

219 So CoolCzech, who are you for?

220 @223: I'll vote for Perry, though I doubt he'll win, *sigh* The man is such a damned disappointment, but between Romney the Father of Obamacare, and Cain the VAT Man, and Newt the Unstable, and Tardisil Bachmann... What the hell is left?

221 What the hell is left?

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 20, 2011 09:02 PM (niZvt)

 

Ahem

222 In debates I agree totally. He is who he is. In person I know he is a real good man. May truth win out.

223 Perry czech, Perry. He's got a ton of money, still raising a good bit, a new economic plan on the way, has stated he'll defund the UN, BBA, Flat Tax. Unlike Romney, he won't lie to you.

224 Posted by: CoolCzech at October 20, 2011 08:56 PM

Didn't I used to hear you calling in to Art Bell and going on about grassy knolls, chemtrails, HAARP and the Bilderbergers?

Jeebus crisco, man, save all that frantic spleen-venting for Osama Obama.

225

@98: "Cain's just a lousy candidate and he wound up helping Mitt there."

Whatever, fool.  I'm not mad at ya, though.  Haters got hate, just like a playa's gotta play.  It's time to end this!

226 @228: the math is the math, guy. I thought we conservatives wanted to cut taxes, not invent new ones... especially ones that can push a struggling business right over the edge. I realize the math of the VAT can be difficult, but if you can't figure it out on your own... don't vote for it.

227 Hey Willow, I did

228 @227: Yeah, DN, Perry's got my vote. I wonder how much longer he can even hang on, though.

229

@155: "And who here doesn't think Romney could beat Obama?"

Us.

230 Coolczech with the ever appropriate 60 percent gross margin producer examples. Able to show at worst possible cherry picking roughly equivalence to current corporate taxation rates. Nice.

231 CoolCzech at October 20, 2011 09:20 PM

Til he blows that fifteen plus million. He's in it til he gets beat.

232
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233 I realize the math of the VAT can be difficult, but if you can't figure it out on your own... don't vote for it. Posted by: CoolCzec You are cool!

234

@200: "Marxist are trying to take down our entire economy with the help of the media and the left."

Hey! Don't forget our not-insignificant contributions!

235 234 Coolczech with the ever appropriate 60 percent gross margin producer examples. Able to show at worst possible cherry picking roughly equivalence to current corporate taxation rates. Nice. Posted by: Fair Tax Forever at October 20, 2011 09:21 PM (dt9ss) Actually, the worst possible scenario is a company in a loss position having to pay this tax.

236 By the way, gross margins as high as 90 percent are not uncommon in service industries.

237 In service industries especially it makes much better sense to shift costs to cost of goods as no real manufacturing applies. As for sixty percent elsewhere this is a particularly slanted example.

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239 132 doesn't this guy have a degree in math?

Posted by: DJ Monghee at October 20, 2011 08:09 PM (3ySTf)

Well, *applied* math.  But real mathematicians are really incapable of communicating.  Especially with all you...normies.

240 The bottom line is, 9 percent of gross margin is really much higher than 9 percent of net income. "9" is a misleading number. It's also extremely destructive to companies in financial trouble... whoever heard of imposing taxes on gross margin, on a company with negative income? (Well, the Europeans have... look how great that's worked for them) And don't you see how companies will work to lower their gross margin by shifting as much of G&A to Manufacturing or Labor Overhead as absolutely possible? The idea that you will eliminate the IRC and the IRS is ludicrous: you'll have to rewrite the IRC to deal with cost accounting issues in even more minute detail than the IRC now does, and the IRS will turn into a cost audit agency. And the worst of the 9/9/9 thing is: the Income Tax stays in place, and a new sales tax, TOO. I repeat: you would be vehemently opposed to this scheme on its face, Fair Tax Forever, if Obama proposed it. IMO, the truly "fair" tax would be nothing but a national sales tax - NO income tax, net or gross, period.

241 Fuck it, let's just keep SCOAMF in office, so the squish motherfucks don't have to have their beta male lives rubbed in their fucking faces.

242 125 holy cow amishdude


i'm prolife but i wouldn't care if some of these creeps were retroactively aborted...........

Posted by: phoenixgirl occupying my kitchen at October 20, 2011 08:06 PM (SH3gZ)

Funny how what I said is creepy and scary, but fetus-abortion, not so much.

243

From Senate Run

"Herman Cain favors Federal Government intervention in the work place on the behalf of blacks and minorities."

"Cain opposes school vouchers for private schools and backs efforts only to 'revisit,' not eliminate, affirmative action."

"He declined to give his position on abortion rights. In the primaries, Cain's moderate social stances could pose problems."

244

Here we are coming up on the most important presidential election of our lifetime and who do the Republicans throw into the melee? 

Mitt Romney aka Ned Ryerson BING!

Rick Perry aka Herb Tarlek/Mayor Bates

Newt Gingrich aka Archie Bunker/Judge Smails

Michele Bachman aka Baily Quarters/Vera Gorman

Rick Santorum aka Frank Burns

Herman Cain aka Chef, Hello Children!

Huntsman and Johnson, aka Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.

and Ron Paul as his loveable self.  Which, thanks to you seems a somewhat viable option and not half as crazy as he seemed before.  So thank again Republicans for giving obama hope for re-election. 

245 Who is Herman Cain?

246

With that said, that answer is laughable.

Cainiacs,

*bites lip*

I feel your pain.

Cain is getting the racist drugplane treatment.

247

Romney has had three years to work out an economics plan since he hasn't been doing shit since 2008.

I'll have you know that I have worked out thousands of economics plans, and I'll work out hundreds more before the election.

248 You are a good man.

249 Anyone of you backing Cain be willing to take the bet that Cain, after he fades, will endorse Romney well before the nomination is decided? That is, Cain will do everything he can when his book tour is over to throw the race to Romney.

I keep telling you and I keep telling you: He will endorse Romney when Romney needs it most. Second, Cain is a DMZ minefield for the GOP--and we don't have a map. He's been how many hours on the radio, saying what ever pops into his head? And now, when the pressure is on, he had had more gaffs than is excusable. Just what do you think is hidden in all those hours of radio? Recipes from Aunt Em? Lost dog reports? Weather updates?

Run, run, run far away from Cain--it's cool that he says what he wants. So does your uncle Ron after a 6-pack of beer--an he sure as hell don't impress you then, does he?

250

What is Romney's record with minority voters?

Dude cleans house with mormons.

Does that work for you?

251 I'm guessing if Reagan himself was running against Perry, Drew and the Ace of Spades staff would try everything they could possibly do to make sure he wouldn't get any support.

252

Anyone of you backing Cain be willing to take the bet that Cain, after he fades, will endorse Romney well before the nomination is decided? That is, Cain will do everything he can when his book tour is over to throw the race to Romney.

jimmuy, if he does - and I am suspicious myself - they drop him like a hot potato.

As quick as I'd drop Perry if he started sucking Charlie Crist's dick.

And then, whomever you presumptivly support would want those people's votes, so getting pissy with them in advance doesn't help you much.

So if you think he'll do it, just wait for them to see it your way.

And if he doesn't, you were wrong anyway, at least you don't owe anyone an apology.

253 Its times like these I wish for full disclosure by blog writers. As in: Does DREW have a financial or pecuniary interest in Romney (the establishment guy) getting the nod? Because this circular firing squad thing is interesting, only in that its not. When do we get Drew posting daily take downs of Romney's latest mis-step, gaffe, contradiction, etc. (Hint: There are plenty starting with the excised portions of his book).

254 Seriously Gonzo? You think AOS is in the tank for Romney? That's silly. Cain won't be nominated. Period. Get whatever dream candidate you have out of your head. You get to choose between Romney and Perry. Don't like it? Tough. Reality sucks sometimes.

255 I think the Republican establishment pezzonovantes have already decided that Romney will be the guy, and I think Drew in particular has, by his posts, put himself squarely with the establishment. The circular firing squad gets aimed at Perry too. It just never gets aimed at Romney with the same level of penetration. Its sort of like the media back during the 08 election doing background stories on everyone but Obama. Why was that again?

256

Fact of the matter is I say we give undeniable hype to Cain right now, let the dude poll 60%.

Make that devious Mittens take a shot a him (he's good for some things!), and if Mr. Polished can't stop the Cain train, then we run the glorious crazy bastard.

If not, Perry will be there to catch the Anti-Romney support and we move forward with Operation Avoid Debates because a botched science experiment back in the 70's makes Rick Perry rip out of his clothes and transform into a retard when he debates.

But the good news is, Rick Santorum can still beat the SCOAMF, even if he nominates himself for his own VP because Jesus told him to.

And even if he does it in a racist drug plane.

257 Racist pro-life drug plane.

258

Sorry.

Racist "pro-life" drug plane.

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260 I can't speak for the hosts here, but from my perspective, Romney isn't worth discussing. If he gets nominated, I'm assuming I'll vote for him, like I did Dole and Bush Sr. and McCain, without the least bit of passion. Until he gets nominated, however, people need to get over their fascination with whatever boutique candidate they're favoring, because you won't get them nominated no matter how hard you wish it so. Perry has a shot. The rest of these clowns don't. Romney or Perry. Make your choice, or that establishment you dislike so much will make it for you.

261 Nice long post there, CoolCzech, except that the entire basis of your argument is wrong. Cain's plan does not allow deduction of COGS, it allows deduction of US-sourced purchases. Get your facts straight, son.

262 From what I've seen Romney is stuck on a ceiling. He didn't gain what Perry lost. We all know why. Cain did. We all know why.

263 Romney is a rubber chicken who unfortunately (for him) looks and smells like a rubber chicken.

264 I get the notion it would be better if Perry didn't attack Romney, but Romney already demagogued wildly about Perry abolishing social security if Romney isn't nominated, and that is the kind of BS that comes back to bite the GOP in the ass in the general election.

This bickering over who is more centrist on illegal immigration is not going to make a big dent, except for ... Cain's type of 'joke' about electrocuting people with obviously does cater to the paranoia of the hard left and the race hustlers a little bit.

So Perry's attack did very little damage outside the primary, and it's not like Perry wasn't pretty mild for the first month of his campaign as he was accused of making girls retarded and of being corrupt and of amnesty he's always opposed.

Anyway, I support Perry.  He's far from perfect, but I agree with him 90% of the time and his record is great, and he's very good in interviews with hostile libs, so I think he'll be good in debates against Obama (better than he's been in the debates so far).  I also think his record is the perfect answer to the inevitable Obama smear.

What is Obama going to do?  Dismiss Perry's record because conservatives at other levels ALSO wanted a balanced budget?  That's coat-tails for the GOP.

I don't think Cain wants to beat Romney.  He's not even on some important primary ballots yet.  He's hoping to split the vote with Perry in a few states, giving those to Romney, and not even try to win enough states to actually Beat Romney.

But Perry is much better than Romney for a conservative.  He's led well enough to be reelected every time, just because of results.  I don't want a cult of personality and I don't care that Perry is not full of pizzazz like Cain or Romney.  I hope we rally behind the most conservative guy who can win.

265

Thanks, CoolCzech, for all the unwashed and unvarnished truths....and all the laughs.  Fun and "testy" thread, DrewM.  It's good to have deep, rolling belly laughs in such an absurd situation. 

Nutty, loveable Uncle Herman who will never really say no to his wonderful neices and nephews.  Just his friendly 9-9-9; simple, my darlings; don't expect me to explain it; I am eating apples and oranges; just look at my website.  And soon I will be living with your other loveable Uncle Mitty.

Meanwhile, that mean, dastardly Papa Perry is the one who will say no to you.  Drop him in his tracks -- with every big gun you've got. 

It is rather poignant that the menacing Perry meme fits with people's unconscious knowledge that the party has come to an end.  We have (over)spent all the societal savings from the generations back to at least our great-great-grandparents.  There ain't nothin' left except knowledge and desire on the part of the majority.  Only the meanie, no-sayer, Perry can help us capitalize on our limited (but significant -- we aren't Americans for nothing) assets.  Tough love parenting; lean and mean everyday decisions; lots of no's; our only hope for the future.  Waaaaaa....I just wanna have fun.

266

This is the most essential point that Jeff B @155 understands:  "I don't suppose it's occurred to anyone here that the reason Cain said he thought Perry came across as a hostile asshole in his exchange with Mitt Romney is because...he actually came across like a hostile asshole to anyone who isn't already so deep in the tank with their hatred of Romney? "

Jeff, If you want to tell someone to keep their lying shit to yourself (Romney's diarrhea on Perry's illegal immigrant problem exacerbated 1000% by the marxist Whitehouse), you sit him down in his own shit.  Oh, he shits, too?  That was a surprise to prissy Mitt.  Someone has to take the (adult) responsibility to say "NO" and that is not easy.  It doesn't go down easily for any of us.  But Perry alone of the present can do it and he has a track record.  Not perfectly, but he can do it.  That is the candidate we need.  We can have nostalgia for "hopeful" Reagan all we want, but this is a different ballgame.  The savings, the resources, the jobs are gone; they are gone!  Not only caused by purposefully destructive marxist Obama, but by all of us, especially big government Republicans, who participated in the "bubble" since the 1970s.  We need to get used to pulling on those boot straps (that have a Texas accent) because that is where the hope lies.

267 It has been obvious to me since 3 or 4 debates ago that Cain is aiming to be Romney's VP. Why is it taking everybody so long to see that?

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"Vice President Cain has a nice ring to it."

I'm sure Senatror O'Donnel tickled your fancy too.

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I don't see anything wrong with Cain's statements.

Fake outrage.  Suck it.

Posted by: Cherry pi at October 20, 2011 07:31 PM (OhYCU)

No, it isn't "fake"outrage (and you suck it). A lot of us don't believe in leaving it up to the individual woman whether she can kill her kid or not. Many of us believe in using one of the few essential roles of government, the justice system, to STOP selfish women (and irresponsible men and principle-less greedy doctors, for that matter) from MURDERING children, in an evil sick act.

269 The doomsday clock is set at five minutes till LGF.

270 Yeah I love the interview Perry had on MSNBC with any of their people.  Oh wait.  Has he done any interviews lately?  Friendly or unfriendly?  At least Cain isn't scared to do a totally biased against him interview.  Friendly or unfriendly he does them all.  I'd much rather have a President unafraid to back down from a challenge than one that sticks his thumb in his mouth and refuses to engage like Perry.  I used to be a Perry supporter and was hoping he would be awesome, but really the guy is as big a disappointment as Fred! was.  Add to it the fact that he has a huge hardon for Romney and comes across as a freakin wife beater when he tries to go on the attack, you've got a miserable candidate.  But by all means, attack Cain because he's the only one out there actually putting himself out there for any criticism. 

271 Drew, "appoint judges that would remove the right to abortion" He said" I will appoint judges who understand the original intent of the Constitution. Judges who are committed to the rule of law know that the Constitution contains no right to take the life of unborn children." Please show me where that "right" comes from. I don't find it enumerated in the constitution or bill of rights. If you are using the infamous supreme court decision that discusses penumbras and such to support the idea that abortion is somehow included in a right to privacy, I would point out that a supreme court was also responsible for the Dredd-Scott decision. When our culture rediscovers its conscience, as it did it that case, Roe v Wade will also be relegated to the dung heap of history. It looks to me as though Mr. Cain is simply recognizing a foregone conclusion and preparing to take steps to place himself on the right side of history.

272 "Yeah I love the interview Perry had on MSNBC with any of their people.  Oh wait.  Has he done any interviews lately?  Friendly or unfriendly?  At least Cain isn't scared to do a totally biased against him interview.  Friendly or unfriendly he does them all.  I'd much rather have a President unafraid to back down from a challenge than one that sticks his thumb in his mouth and refuses to engage like Perry.  I used to be a Perry supporter and was hoping he would be awesome, but really the guy is as big a disappointment as Fred! was.  Add to it the fact that he has a huge hardon for Romney and comes across as a freakin wife beater when he tries to go on the attack, you've got a miserable candidate.  But by all means, attack Cain because he's the only one out there actually putting himself out there for any criticism. 

Posted by: Doc at October 21, 2011 09:45 AM (Zrqw "

Perry's done a lot of interviews lately.  He did a great one with Stephonapolis or however you spell it.  And he did it without sounding, frankly, very stupid like Cain did.

Cain is better in the 15 second soundbite area.  Perry is better, even than Romney, when it's time to get some substance out there.

Try google before you claim someone hasn't been doing interviews.