August 26, 2011
— Ace Sorry, it's about Perry being ahead with Tea Partiers. I'm just throwing this up because I got lost in the discussion in the last post and stopped putting up new posts. Sometimes the blog itself, the comments, become more interesting to me than actually working. Go figure.
Anyway, Allah's on about what I was tellin' y'alls months ago that Perry seemed like the sort of guy who could pull a good amount of support from the various corners of the conservative coalition, and hence no one would say "Oh my God, I can't support this guy." Which is important.
Perry is beating Romney in two key areas:
Perry, not surprisingly given his lead among Tea Party supporters, is the preferred candidate among Republicans who identify “government spending and power” as the set of issues most important to them. Perry is the top choice of 31% of these Republicans, with Romney (17%), Paul (13%), and Bachmann (12%) vying for second place.But Perry also has a slight edge over Romney, 25% to 19%, among Republicans who say business and the economy is their top issue. Romney, a wealthy businessman, has argued his business credentials make him better suited to solve the economic problems facing the country than candidates who lack significant private-sector experience.
Obviously that's tough for Romney, if he's beaten in one and edged in the other.
Another poll shows the GOP finally satisfied with its field, which may reflect some people happy that Perry got in (like me), and also just a general exhaustion with the waiting game. Just a general "Oh what the hell, I'm tired of waiting for Chris Christie or Sarah Palin, I guess I'll look at the declared candidates" kind of reaction.
(Not to suggest that people wouldn't support either candidate, just that some people might figure they've held off looking at the declared candidates long enough.)
Meanwhile, an IBD reporter says a media friend told him:
"We plan to declare war on Rick Perry and do all in our power to crush him."
One thing that surprises me: I thought Perry would be an okay pick for the Establishment -- that they might not love him, but they'd like him.
I keep being told that is not the case:
And frankly, for a few in the GOP consultant class, they'll gladly see Perry lose in November just to ensure they are not shut out of a Republican White House. For all the talk of Perry being an establishment guy, the establishment hates his guts as much as the left does . .
Another guy just told me this last night. And I said, "Really?" And he said, "Really."
I suppose that sort of helps Perry, I guess, although it was actually my thought he would be borderline acceptable to the Establishment.
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No more RINOs. Perry, Palin, Bachmann or 4 more years of Obama. You choose.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2011 01:44 PM (7BU4a)
But, it's not his turn.
So the establishment needs to destroy him.
Or get destroyed in the process. Heh.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 26, 2011 01:44 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2011 01:46 PM (vjyZP)
I bet psycho Palin Fanboi Gary4205 wouldn't support Perry if his dick was on fire. He's so hot for Palin he is a parody of a parody.
Other than that, I voting for anyone who isn't into killing babies or redifing marriage, will stand with Arizona and Israel, and most importantly isn't a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.
By next November, who knows my whole criteria might be limited to whoever isn't a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure
Posted by: Nora at August 26, 2011 01:46 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Jeff B.'s Catamite at August 26, 2011 01:46 PM (ggRof)
So the Ivy League statist rent seeking pubbies don't like Rick Perry and the Ivy League statist rent seeking demonazis want to crush him. Great, how many times can I vote for him?
Now Ace will tell us he is not electable because the Ivy Leaguers write nasty things about him. Nutsack time folks. Let's give the Ivy Leaguers a swirlie.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 26, 2011 01:46 PM (0M3AQ)
Shocker@! zzzZZZZzzz
Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 01:46 PM (GTbGH)
Rick Perry, bitches!
Oh, and Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. Can't be said enough.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 26, 2011 01:47 PM (UOM48)
Something the establishment Republicans seem to be overlooking, at the moment.
As for why they don't like him, it's because he was told, in no uncertain terms, that the days of Big Government should be over. TTC. Guardisil.
Not to bring those up for themselves, again, but to point out that part of what the Texas voters were saying was, "Leave. Me. Alone." And I think he took that to heart. It may seem convenient, but Gov. Perry really started moving further right after he'd been beaten on the head about Guardisil. It was around that point that he looked around and said, "D*mn, this government is too big."
Well, if he takes that to Washington, it endangers the livelihoods of all those Establishment types- Republican or Democrat.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 01:47 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: t-bird at August 26, 2011 01:48 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2011 01:48 PM (pV6cO)
I think his "buisness experience" is way over-hyped. He sure as hell didn't use it to make MA a big economic powerhouse.
Posted by: Vic at August 26, 2011 01:48 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 01:50 PM (GULKT)
- There are only two federalists among the major candidates: Rick Perry and Ron Paul.
- Rick Perry is not a libertarian, and Ron Paul is.
- The GOP has run only two federalists in living memory: Goldwater (libertarian federalist) and Reagan (non-libertarian federalist).
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2011 01:50 PM (vjyZP)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 01:50 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2011 01:50 PM (pV6cO)
I think this is right. Basically, Romney can say, "Hey, I know how to make a lot of money for myself!" Rick Perry can say, "40% of the net new jobs in America in the last 4 years. Also, more Fortune 500 Companies have moved to Texas in that same time than any other State."
I don't need business experience, I need governing experience in a way that enables those with business experience to help the economy get better.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 01:51 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: LibertarianJim at August 26, 2011 01:51 PM (Z/VU4)
Sometimes the blog itself, the comments, become more interesting to me than actually working. Go figure.
Can't argue with you there, brother.
Posted by: A. Breitbart at August 26, 2011 01:51 PM (3AuGS)
Posted by: LibertarianJim at August 26, 2011 01:52 PM (Z/VU4)
>>> Another guy just told me this last night. And I said, "Really?" And he said, "Really."
Heh. This is why I love this blog. You can't find these scoops anywhere else.
Posted by: dan-O at August 26, 2011 01:52 PM (BAjNF)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 26, 2011 01:52 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: E.M. August at August 26, 2011 01:53 PM (zeBNm)
Posted by: Adobe Walls at August 26, 2011 01:53 PM (mLThi)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx
Not to single you out, but that's one meme from ZeroFudge I wish we could do without.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2011 01:53 PM (DEcmU)
You know what Rick Perry did in 2010 about "friendly venues?"
He told all the editorial boards of all the newspapers in Texas "F You. You're not going to endorse me anyway, why should I bother with you?"* and then refused to sit down with them or give any interviews directly to newspaper reporters. It. Was. Awesome.
Now, that won't work on the national stage, but don't think he'll make the mistake of believing that the MFM are neutral, let alone friendly.
*This may be a paraphrase.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 01:53 PM (8y9MW)
Is that SCOAMF is talking about when he talks about some in congress who are letting their partisanship override their patriotism?
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 26, 2011 01:54 PM (Hx5uv)
But establishment hates him too, huh? That's a plus in my book. Unless of course the establishment is playing some reverse psychology mind tricks or some shit, though if they were actually that crafty you'd think they'd show some competence in battling the Donks so it's probably legit Perry hate.
It's all yours now so don't fuck it up, soon-to-be President Perry
Posted by: mugiwara at August 26, 2011 01:54 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 01:54 PM (5H6zj)
One thing can be said for all the current Repub presidential hopefuls: they're patriotic Americans, something the Traitor-in-Chief is not.
That said, he looks better and better to me all the time. No little part of that is based on the foaming-at-the-mouth rage he induces in Michelle Malkin, lefties and Palinoids/Paulbots everywhere. Hell, even Jonah Goldberg seems to think he's not One of Our Set.
What better recommendations could anyone want?
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 26, 2011 01:54 PM (YjjrR)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 26, 2011 01:54 PM (0M3AQ)
And this is precisely why "The Establishment" of the GOP needs to Die In A Fire if the GOP is ever going to shed it's long-deserved and well-earned nickname The Stupid PartyTM.
Posted by: DocJ at August 26, 2011 01:54 PM (AWzOz)
Hmmm. Sounds like yet another reason to like Rick Perry.
Posted by: Piñon Farmer at August 26, 2011 01:55 PM (IzuWw)
I guess the establishment doesn't want to come to terms with the fact The Party is over... no more dough , no more pay to play, we are broke they need to do their Job for the nations sake.
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2011 01:55 PM (h+qn8)
The Repub establishment and lefties hate Perry?
Good. Fuck those bitches. All-in w/ Perry.
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at August 26, 2011 01:55 PM (HpT9p)
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 26, 2011 01:55 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: The Establishment at August 26, 2011 01:55 PM (GTbGH)
That's what I keep saying.
Posted by: Breitbart at August 26, 2011 01:55 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 26, 2011 01:56 PM (i6Neb)
Posted by: Zombie George Washington at August 26, 2011 01:57 PM (Z/VU4)
Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2011 01:57 PM (pV6cO)
I think his "buisness experience" is way over-hyped. He sure as hell didn't use it to make MA a big economic powerhouse.
Posted by: Vic at August 26, 2011 05:48 PM (M9Ie6)
I wonder if that's part of why Perry seems to be doing better. Yeah sure Romney has business experience, so put him in charge of a business. Perry has probably got more government experience in dealing with businesses. Which might be a better fit since the Presidency is a government position.
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 01:57 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2011 01:57 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: La. gal AKS dixiegal69on AOS FB at August 26, 2011 01:58 PM (D+njD)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx
Not to single you out, but that's one meme from ZeroFudge I wish we could do without.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2011 05:53 PM (DEcmU)
!!Rich Perry, bitches!!
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 26, 2011 01:58 PM (EGEg8)
Posted by: V.I. Lenin at August 26, 2011 01:58 PM (dZ756)
Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 01:58 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: mugiwara
May I remind you that we are talking about the GOP establishment here.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2011 01:59 PM (DEcmU)
Posted by: Turd Blossom at August 26, 2011 01:59 PM (r4t7/)
I'm not promoting any particular candidate but critical thinking, and I want my president also to be a critical thinker and not a crazy christian lunatic or quitter. If he is a strong supporter of the sciences, like climate change, that would also be a plus. And no straight shooters, they tend to shoot themselves in the foot.
Posted by: Average Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 01:59 PM (fj/P0)
She's cutting herself out, Mikey. If she lets it go much further (at this rate, Labor Day might be too late), she'll be 2012's Fred Thompson (only hotter). As people start supporting the current candidates, they'll become less likely to switch. Within a few weeks, even formerly-hard-core Palinistas will be too emotionally invested in Rick Perry or Michelle Bachmann (the two I see as closest to her, ideologically) to switch readily. She'd have to have a masterful campaign, and I don't know if she has that (simply because we haven't had a chance to see).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 01:59 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: California Red at August 26, 2011 01:59 PM (DXTKe)
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 26, 2011 02:00 PM (Hx5uv)
Watch out, they could sic McCain or Lindsay on you. Its a vicious and cruel thing to watch.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 26, 2011 02:00 PM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: Xyzzy at August 26, 2011 02:00 PM (LdAWK)
He told all the editorial boards of all the newspapers in Texas "F You. You're not going to endorse me anyway, why should I bother with you?"* and then refused to sit down with them or give any interviews directly to newspaper reporters. It. Was. Awesome.
Bunk!
Chuck Norris Rick Perry fact: Your particular orientation has nothing to do with your feelings for Chuck Norris Rick Perry
Posted by: fluffy at August 26, 2011 02:01 PM (3SvjA)
This blog is so recursively self-referential it's a wonder that it doesn't warp space into a singularity.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 02:01 PM (GTbGH)
Flower power! Don't Trust Anyone Over thirty! Tune In, Turn On, Drop Out!
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 26, 2011 02:01 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: x11b1p at August 26, 2011 02:03 PM (nVLlM)
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 02:03 PM (0FEvE)
She marginalized herself.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 26, 2011 02:04 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 02:04 PM (TMB3S)
Depends on what kind of fodder Perry provides them with.
It seems to me that the sheer number of campaigns and length of time he's spent in the public eye argues against the idea that there's some personal or family skeletons kicking around. And it's not like Texas is a uniformly red state the way, say Utah is. Shit, even the Democrats here pretend to be conservative. So he has been in nasty campaigns.
OTOH, all that time in high-profile offices does mean he has a record, so there will be plenty of quotes to take out of context or distort (a la the "secession" myth). In that sense, there's more potential fodder coming from Perry than Palin probably had.
Also, unlike VP candidate Palin, Perry is able to fully call the shots on countering the attacks. Palin's hands were tied to a large extent.
I've been singularly unimpressed by what they've flung at Perry so far, so I'm not worried.
Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 02:04 PM (5H6zj)
Possibly, but I doubt it.
First: Sarah Palin had that first national attention that was pretty well all negative- that hasn't (successfully) happened to Rick Perry, yet.
Second: Her fault or not, her "introduction" to the nation was kind of botched (I don't care that they were "gotcha" interviews- she still muffed her "first impression"). Rick Perry's has not been (for all the hyperventilating, most people understood that "almost treacherous... treasonous" was hyperbole).
Third: Again, her fault or not, Sarah Palin is now seen as more of a celebrity than a "serious" candidate. Rick Perry is not.
It will be much harder- with his lengthy record, if nothing else- to make Rick Perry look "unserious" or "flaky."
The problem Palin has is not that people hate her (at least, not just that) it's that they don't take her seriously as a politician any longer.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 02:05 PM (8y9MW)
Did Perry order women to get the shots?
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2011 02:05 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: NAME REDACTED at August 26, 2011 02:05 PM (vhtNy)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 26, 2011 02:06 PM (i6Neb)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 02:06 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Hollowpoint O'Hagan at August 26, 2011 02:07 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: RNC-Compassionate, yet undeserving at August 26, 2011 02:07 PM (EGEg8)
Karl Rove immediately comes to mind, though there's (obviously) a history there.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 26, 2011 02:07 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: observer at August 26, 2011 02:07 PM (aM5sn)
He pays, if that's what you mean. His Senate office is full of D.C. lifers, not his own guys.
Posted by: oblig. at August 26, 2011 02:07 PM (xvZW9)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 26, 2011 02:07 PM (p+mzQ)
(Checks to see if Perry has a penthouse in Laredo.)
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 26, 2011 02:08 PM (bjRNS)
How does he get out from under the Texas Ugly slander that the MFM is throwing at him?
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at August 26, 2011 02:08 PM (4sQwu)
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 02:08 PM (0FEvE)
Posted by: Average Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 02:08 PM (fj/P0)
Perry was a prankster in college: he once placed live chickens in the closet of an upperclassman during Christmas break and used M-80 firecrackers to prank students using the toilet
That's all I needed to know; he's got my vote!
Posted by: profligatewaste at August 26, 2011 02:09 PM (b3rrc)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 02:09 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Average Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 06:08 PM (fj/P0)
But you haven't called us 'stupid effing idiots' yet.
Posted by: Tami at August 26, 2011 02:09 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: x11b1p at August 26, 2011 02:10 PM (nVLlM)
Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2011 02:10 PM (pV6cO)
Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 02:10 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2011 02:11 PM (pV6cO)
Just so long as no one divides by 0, we'll be okay.
If he says he can see Mexico from his porch he's toast.
If he tells Mexicans to get off his porch, he's a winner.
Posted by: Methos at August 26, 2011 02:11 PM (sOXQX)
He mandated (by executive order, which is what really chaps some peoples' hides) the HPV vaccine for all girls either 12, or 14 and older to go to public schools. Given that HPV is a sexually transmitted disease, very socially conservative Texans objected.
It has also turned out that it's not nearly as awesome as first advertised, and can, in fact, kill you if you happen to be allergic to it- and allergy you can't know about until after you've been given the injection. I'm sure you see the problem there.
Again, he admitted he screwed up, so I'm good with that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 02:11 PM (8y9MW)
98 The big question is how does the governor and his campaign fight off all the allegations of shoot-from-hip behavior and speech?
How does he get out from under the Texas Ugly slander that the MFM is throwing at him?
How about shoot anyone who brings it up? Winning.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 26, 2011 02:11 PM (0M3AQ)
Dude, is your one schtick in comment threads attacking me? You understand how pathetic it looks to have to gratuitously bring me into a conversation I'm not even part of yet?
Also, do you realize that I support Perry?
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 02:11 PM (hIWe1)
If you take the 1st letter of every 5th word of my posts from last Tuesday and form those into a sentence, I did.
Posted by: Average Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 02:12 PM (fj/P0)
Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2011 06:10 PM (pV6cO)
They're begging Will Ferrell to host right now probably so he can do a skit where he simultaneously play George W. Bush and Rick Perry.
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 02:12 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Average Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 06:08 PM (fj/P0)
You don't fool me, fudge-poo. You are far too agreeable to be JeffB.
Posted by: Methos at August 26, 2011 02:13 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments has a goatee at August 26, 2011 02:13 PM (GTbGH)
Okay, now we are moving into reality warping, blog singularity territory.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 02:13 PM (8y9MW)
The idea of Rove being sent to the wilderness, where frankly he belongs, is pretty much the source of all the Establishment angst with Perry. But given the fact karl is not exactly as powerful as he THINKS he is anymore, I don't see this as a 'bad' thing.
Posted by: Shawn at August 26, 2011 02:14 PM (/lltO)
Oh wait, I get it: you actually haven't paid the slightest bit of attention to what my positions are, and just attribute whatever negative qualities you can think of to me because, hey...of course I must believe that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 02:14 PM (hIWe1)
^ This.
McLame set the bar pretty high for SCOAMF-ness when he suspended his presidential campaign to focus on the Wall St crisis. Thanks ever so much, "Republican Establishment".
Posted by: Piñon Farmer at August 26, 2011 02:14 PM (IzuWw)
I still haven't watched that. Did he say anything particularly disagreeable (to Conservatives)?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 02:14 PM (8y9MW)
Isn't that what Calvin kept telling Hobbes?
Posted by: Tesla at August 26, 2011 02:14 PM (DPU1J)
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 26, 2011 02:15 PM (1+CnU)
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 02:16 PM (0FEvE)
It would be one thing to mix it up with me if I rolled in here and started calling people names. It's the out-of-nowhere gratuitousness of it that makes you look weak, though.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 02:16 PM (hIWe1)
Ok I see. Yeah I can see that executive order shit pissing some people off. Was the government going to pay for it? If that was the case he probably would have been better off saying if you want it, we'll pay for it, if you don't want it, oh well.
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2011 02:16 PM (FMbng)
117 I haven't read all the comment yet but, has anyone noted that Perry
gave a speech to La Raza in 2010 yet?
If you call saying "ya'll have a 10 second head start" a speech, ok.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at August 26, 2011 02:16 PM (p+mzQ)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 02:16 PM (TMB3S)
Yeah, but Reagan needed party unity to win the election and the future could look out for itself.
History may repeat.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 02:17 PM (GTbGH)
Devolving.....
Posted by: Breaker19 at August 26, 2011 02:17 PM (WCm02)
I don't think we need Perry/Romney. Perry/Rubio would be good (should lock up FL for us, which would be helpful), and there are a few other match-ups that would help about as much. Romney wouldn't bring anything useful (except, potentially, the Establishment vote, but F them anyway) to the ticket. He can't deliver his home state, and he doesn't "shore up" any of Perry's "weak points."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 02:17 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: RNC-Compassionate, yet undeserving at August 26, 2011 02:17 PM (EGEg8)
Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 02:17 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: mare at August 26, 2011 02:18 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2011 06:16 PM (FMbng)
It was dubbed 'mandatory' to get personal insurance to pay for it. There was, however, an opt-out option.
Posted by: Tami at August 26, 2011 02:18 PM (X6akg)
Oh, shush, you. Some of us are trying to have a conversation with the guy badly sockpuppeting you here.
Posted by: Methos at August 26, 2011 02:18 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist at August 26, 2011 02:19 PM (jucos)
Oh wait, I get it: you actually haven't paid the slightest bit of attention to what my positions are, and just attribute whatever negative qualities you can think of to me because, hey...of course I must believe that.
Cmon, Jeff. Be alpha. Ignore your detractors. By nit picking their mockery, you only show you care. Brush it off.
(or not. I'm having fun watching. Where's my beer?)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 26, 2011 02:19 PM (hv9/n)
Posted by: Jeff B.'s Catamite at August 26, 2011 02:19 PM (ggRof)
Posted by: x11b1p at August 26, 2011 02:19 PM (nVLlM)
But it also doesn't make me think BETTER of him, either. I'm not inclined to pick my friends based on who their enemies are. I like Perry because I like Perry, not because the "right people" hate him. I could give a fuck what Beltway GOP politicos think about him.
Somebody tell me why this is a wrong position to hold.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 02:19 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2011 02:20 PM (pV6cO)
No, the government would pay for it (well, except for Medicaid kids) but it would have forced the insurance companies to cover it.
I know local pols gotta do what local pols gotta do but La Raza is scum.
Yes, they are, but, as you say: pols gotta do what pols gotta do. Being cordial with (and, yes, that includes speaking at their rallies, if invited) La Raza is kind of necessary in Texas, mores the pity.
So, given that you don't like that he was at the venue in the first place- did he say anything specifically objectionable to Conservatives, or is the only problem the guilt-by-association of speaking to La Raza in the first place?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 02:20 PM (8y9MW)
I still can't believe he frigging did that. The was complete stupidity. When I heard that I turned to a friend and said he just threw the election.
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2011 02:20 PM (FMbng)
Now Ace will tell us he is not electable because the Ivy Leaguers write nasty things about him. Nutsack time folks. Let's give the Ivy Leaguers a swirlie."
You peasants are sooooooo cute when you get uppity. Or, if I may borrow from the decidedly low-brow Hot Shots: "Kent, your nostrils are flaring!"
Posted by: Your Betters at August 26, 2011 02:21 PM (xy9wk)
I was under the impression that Romney was pretty adamant about not being a vice-anything.
Posted by: Methos at August 26, 2011 02:21 PM (sOXQX)
///
Yeah, esp. since he admitted he was clueless on economic matters.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 26, 2011 02:21 PM (dZ756)
Think of the mainstream media as indigenous wildlife on the jogging trail, threatening your dog. And you're packin' heat.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 26, 2011 02:21 PM (Jdtsu)
Posted by: Doom at August 26, 2011 02:21 PM (1awZ0)
"Living rent-free inside their heads!"
Posted by: JEFF B. - PALINISTO! at August 26, 2011 02:22 PM (hIWe1)
why this sudden burst of attacks on me?
Past experience and actions on you makes you an easy target and pretty simple to mock. Especially when it comes to a guy being loved by the more conservative base and despised by the GOP establishment. Yeah I know you like Perry because I have read your comments, but if I didn't and the question was asked "which commenters here would not support Perry because he is not favored by the Establishment/elites of the party" you would defintely come up in the top 5.
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 02:23 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Mr Natural at August 26, 2011 02:23 PM (0ipE9)
*beep* *beep*
Posted by: The Road Runner supports Rick Perry, bitchez at August 26, 2011 02:23 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 02:24 PM (0FEvE)
Curse you, Richard Nixon!
Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 02:24 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2011 02:25 PM (pV6cO)
Posted by: mare at August 26, 2011 02:25 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2011 02:25 PM (FMbng)
@27: "How much of the Establishment has been influenced by Rove?
I never got this. HE'S NOT THAT GOOD."
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Um, he managed to get that dipshit Dubya elected twice - that's not insignificant.
Posted by: The Establishment at August 26, 2011 02:25 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2011 02:26 PM (pV6cO)
IIRC, Romney helps in the upper midwest/rust belt. Looking at Baseball Crank's electoral map, that's a lot of votes. Perry has the "southerner" and the "westerner" identity already. Romney is also acceptable (favored) by Establishment types, great at raising money, and solid on the campaign trail.
We may not agree with him or want him as POTUS, but I think he brings a lot to the ticket, particularly if the Establishment types don't like Perry. Romney is "safe." He personifies the "manager" type you'd want to step in if Perry were suddenly gone.
For it to work, he'd (Romney) have to learn the right things to say about Obamacare/Masscare from Perry. They could stage some political theater of the two walking out together after a lengthy confab in which Romney said he had seen the light after talking with Perry.
I really love the idea of Rubio, but it is a tad early to roll him out and we're counting an awful lot on the power of his rhetoric and just blowing off the other things that traditionally go into the VP pick. Plus, from what I've read Florida is pretty darned close to a lock. Once West and Rubio endorse Perry, is he really going to lose that state? Rubio can still campaign for him.
Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 02:26 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 02:26 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 26, 2011 02:26 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: mare at August 26, 2011 02:27 PM (A98Xu)
A couple of reasons:
One, just about a week before, he'd been talking up the economy. That blew a hole in his talking points that "the fundamentals are strong."
Second (I don't agree with this one, but I didn't like McCain much from the start), it showed he was "unserious" (I hate that word) about the campaign. I'm not sure how, but the media said it, so people believed it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 02:27 PM (8y9MW)
Sometimes it's the best option available. Ideally, yeah, you'd want to really support a candidate you actually liked. Alas, it's politics, not sainthood. You might not like a guy, but if he pisses off a group you dislike infinitely more, then it's not irrational to vote for the enemy of my biggest enemy.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 26, 2011 02:27 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: No Whining at August 26, 2011 02:29 PM (Ka/Vy)
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 06:24 PM (0FEvE)
Because when he did it, he didn't have any plan to follow through with. It was as though he did it in anger, without thinking it through, and that's exactly the way it was perceived.
Posted by: Piñon Farmer at August 26, 2011 02:29 PM (IzuWw)
Posted by: Perry? Really? at August 26, 2011 02:29 PM (DPEDW)
Mostly I'm asking because I may never get a chance to see it, personally, but I'm sure I'll need to swat down idiots who bring it up.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 02:29 PM (8y9MW)
Can we stop focusing on Perry's minor flaws and just start focusing on the fact the establishment hates him? That's enough for me for 2012, I'll keep working to change the political make-up of this country for the long haul. Like hell I'm going to just kick up my feet and watch a shit-ton of horrible Network programming.
Posted by: William at August 26, 2011 02:29 PM (77TeU)
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 02:30 PM (0FEvE)
I like Perry and hope He is the same but fiscally stronger on what is needed.
can't really see Bush hurting a strong candidates chances
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2011 02:31 PM (h+qn8)
Wait, are you my mirror?
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 26, 2011 02:32 PM (4nfy2)
Rubio needs to stay in the senate. We need him there. Ryan needs to stay in the House. We need him there. Nothing would thrill me more than to see this, even though it may not come to be.
President Perry
Senate Majority Leader Rubio
Speaker of the House Ryan
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 26, 2011 02:32 PM (EGEg8)
Hmm... that link in the name resolves to www.jon2012.com
Please tell me this isn't really a Huntsman supporter. Please.
Assuming you're a sock: masterful job.
Assuming you're actually a troll: F*ck you. That's why.
I think that covers my bases.
Oh, wait, missed one.
Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 02:32 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 02:33 PM (0FEvE)
Texas has ruined this country
Do tell.
You conservatives are crazy!
Project much?
Is this Avg Joe? No one is this stupid.
Posted by: fluffy at August 26, 2011 02:33 PM (3SvjA)
Posted by: No Whining at August 26, 2011 02:33 PM (Ka/Vy)
@89: "I swear to God I'll pistol-whip the next guy who says "establishment"."
Hey, Farva! What's that political organization you like? The one with all the goofy shit on the walls....
Posted by: Mac at August 26, 2011 02:33 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 26, 2011 02:34 PM (4nfy2)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 26, 2011 02:34 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: Perry? Really? at August 26, 2011 06:29 PM (DPEDW)
Holy shit we've got a Jon Hunstman troll.
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 02:34 PM (GULKT)
That's some nice libtard sockpuppetry, there.
Posted by: Methos at August 26, 2011 02:34 PM (sOXQX)
So, let me get this straight:
Perry is ticking off country club journalists in NYC and country club lobbyists and consultants in D.C. He's also ticking of leftists, statists, public-money union members, college and university professors, "Libertarians," single-issue conservatives, birthers, truthers and assorted other malcontents.
Sounds like the perfect candidate.
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at August 26, 2011 02:34 PM (f8XyF)
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2011 02:34 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 02:35 PM (0FEvE)
Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 06:26 PM (5H6zj)
I haven't been able to comment much lately, killer work schedule, but I wanted to tell you that I think you have been offering up some really solid stuff with regard to Perry, the primary, etc. Keep it up.
And I agree, Florida is close to a lock. (With Perry or Mittens as the nom anyway). If it ain't, we have serious problems.
I have mixed feelings as far as Rubio is concerned. I think he is a once in a generation talent (yeah, Reaganesque), so I don't want him rotting in the Senate (rock stars don't sit in the senate for years), but don't particularly want him as a Veep for 8 years (tied up politically for that long anyway).
I want him to run on his own terms. Perhaps, one Senate term, a book tour, other various ventures, and then a run.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 26, 2011 02:36 PM (hv9/n)
I've always gotten the idea that Politician Rick Perry doesn't get along with Politician George Bush, but as normal guys they like each other. No version of Rick Perry seems to like any version of Karl Rove (and vice versa), however.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 02:37 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Perry? Really? at August 26, 2011 02:38 PM (bNMtC)
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 06:24 PM (0FEvE)
No, it made him look un-Presidential and let the SCoaMF act like he actually knew something which has been revealed as a total fucking crock. McVain should've had some economic gurus on board that could give him better advice than a bunch of dumbfucks like Lurch and Miss Lindsey sitting around acting all collegial by staying up late and ordering carry-out. He fucked up badly there; even by his miserably low standards
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 26, 2011 02:38 PM (yKL37)
I'm so grateful and i will always love his efforts to hold us together as one people during those times. I know fiscally He didn't do as well as we would hope, but i also think He had to bend a lot more than He probably liked because of funding for war etc...
so anyway I think He will always be a hero to me and my family.
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2011 02:40 PM (h+qn8)
Another guy just told me this last night. And I said, "Really?" And he said, "Really."
So we got an anonymous spin that he's the true anti establishment. really.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at August 26, 2011 02:40 PM (bAL0J)
Bingo. I can't wait for some asshole from the Republican party call me for money.
Money? Are you fucking nuts? You won't see a penny. I already sent my check directly to my candidate, _____ .
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 02:40 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Mandy P., Teahadi from Hobbitton at August 26, 2011 02:41 PM (qFpRI)
You don't want my answer.
These days, EoJ might be gentler (probably not, but we could always find out, I suppose)
Let's just leave it at "you're a damnable liar" and let it go at that.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at August 26, 2011 02:41 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2011 02:41 PM (h+qn8)
Anti women's rights, thats a good one. I think abortians in the inner city should be fucking mandatory. Hell, I'm your worst fucking nightmare, I say abort your whole fucking race of future leftist flag bearers for all I give a shit. Put that in your book.
Posted by: Berserker at August 26, 2011 02:42 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Perry? Really? at August 26, 2011 06:38 PM (bNMtC)
Do your homework, shithead.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 26, 2011 02:42 PM (yKL37)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 02:43 PM (TMB3S)
@120: "Hell, I WAS THE GUY IN THE PREVIOUS PERRY THREAD DEFENDING HIM ON THIS, for god's sake."
Evidently Mr. B is an educated man. Now ah really hate him.
Posted by: Zombie Doc Holliday at August 26, 2011 02:43 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2011 02:44 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 06:43 PM (TMB3S)
LMAO
It has to be a troll or a sock. And I'll bet it's ace.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 02:44 PM (LH6ir)
That's your only answer? That I am a sock or a troll?
C: You're a fucking lunatic.
All you want is to cut everything to the bone, and go back to back-alley abortions and children dying of starvation in the streets.
D: I mis-spelled that. You're a hysterical nitwit.
Posted by: fluffy at August 26, 2011 02:44 PM (3SvjA)
Every court needs its jester.
Wait, Ron Paul is already going to be there?
Um, I don't know then.
Posted by: Methos at August 26, 2011 02:46 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 02:47 PM (GULKT)
And Romney, he's no fucking businessman. He's a leech private equity investor. He doesn't know dick about making the necessary decisions as to how to run a business. He just looks at results of those who do and then rides their coattails.
Same with Huntsman. The consultant class is the same as the investor class...which is very different from the "creator" class.
Romney is kind of like the Richard Gere character in Pretty Woman...he didn't make shit, but made a good living off the backs of those who did....
...and Julia Roberts was the hooker with a heart of gold...and a vagina of chlamydia
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 02:50 PM (AnTyA)
The guy is polling 1%. Why is he being invited to the debate?
To make Buddy Roemer jealous.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 26, 2011 02:50 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2011 02:50 PM (h+qn8)
It never fails that if the RINO establishment candidate wins, the conservatives are supposed to drop all resentment and come together for the team
When the conservative candidate wins, the RINO establishment takes their bats and balls and joins the enemy's team
Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2011 02:51 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 02:51 PM (s0uvO)
Posted by: Perry? Really? at August 26, 2011 02:52 PM (bNMtC)
I used to say that the Leftists didn't care if the USA was a smoking hole in the ground as long as they were in charge of it
I still say that, but now include the beltway establisment quislings like Rove
Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2011 02:54 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 02:55 PM (s0uvO)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 02:56 PM (TMB3S)
I never got this. HE'S NOT THAT GOOD. Posted by: LibertarianJim at August 26, 2011 05:52 PM
Why, he's the genius behind it all, the ARCHITECT !!!!!
Watch this toss!
Posted by: HANNITY!!! at August 26, 2011 02:57 PM (Y+DPZ)
Posted by: Daniel at August 26, 2011 03:00 PM (lQQvy)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 03:00 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 26, 2011 03:02 PM (cbyrC)
You're anti-Romney cred is intact but you need some work on the facts.
Really?? He founded Bain Capital???
I need to work on my facts?? Listen, douchebag, get your fucking ducks in a row before you come skipping in with this dumbfuckery .
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 03:04 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 03:08 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 26, 2011 03:10 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 03:11 PM (TMB3S)
Umm...no. You clearly know nothing about Mitt Romney's business career. Apparently you're recycling a jumbled mish-mash of Wall Street stereotypes, is the nearest I can come to figuring out this wildly ignorant statement. I mean, he FOUNDED BAIN CAPITAL for fuck's sake. That's a business right there, to say nothing of the many, many, many companies he took a personal hand in running and reforming as part of Bain.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 03:14 PM (hIWe1)
Dude, I think he did found Bain Capital.
I think that you are thinking of the firm that Romney came from, also named something like Bain...Partners, or Company, or something like that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 03:14 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: tsj017 at August 26, 2011 03:14 PM (vOH26)
Hey Dan the Mitt Spam Man, you forgot the usual link to Romney's web site
Posted by: kbdabear at August 26, 2011 03:14 PM (Y+DPZ)
No, I simply think she is unprepared to be President.
Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 03:14 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: jjshaka at August 26, 2011 03:14 PM (7Ig+D)
Daniel - you're the dumbass. I've seen Perry take on the establishment, he's done it for 10 years. He wins, they lose, he's good at it. That's why they hate him.
This is the same establishment that hated Reagan, and hates the Tea Party. Here's the key - the number of voters that the Establishment hates is now bigger than the number that supports them. In fact, almost nobody supports that arrogant establishment anymore.
Every paper and every media outlet is going to hate on Perry 24/7 - and Perry is still going to be the next President.
I would like to see a world where President Perry gives press conferences, and the only reporters invited are Allahpundit, Ed Morrisey, Ace, and Erickson. I can see it happening!
Suck on it, NYT!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 26, 2011 03:15 PM (T1boi)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 26, 2011 03:15 PM (cbyrC)
Posted by: TeaPottier at August 26, 2011 03:15 PM (hHgxI)
>>>I need to work on my facts?? Listen, douchebag, get your fucking ducks in a row before you come skipping in with this dumbfuckery .
Oh shit, I missed this before I posted (plus the followup from JackStraw).
This is one of the most hilarious self-pwnings I've seen on AoSHQ. You came out swinging SO HARD and were SO WRONG! It's almost too perfect.
Needless to say: yes, you really, really need to work on your facts. Romney was a co-founder of Bain Capital, which is not the same thing as Bain & Co. (as you comically seem to think it is).
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 03:16 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 03:17 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: ace at August 26, 2011 03:17 PM (nj1bB)
Well, Danny-boy, your comment is a silly mishmash of outright lies, blabbering stupidity, and boring trolling. You'll need to be a bit more clever and amusing if you want to play with the big kids.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 03:17 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: TeaPottier at August 26, 2011 07:15 PM (hHgxI)
Because unlike those commie cocksuckers, we're proud of what we are.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 26, 2011 03:19 PM (yKL37)
You are banned from the internets.
Posted by: Cahrles Jhonson at August 26, 2011 03:19 PM (sOXQX)
Yeah, I felt the same way. 'Candidate fatigue' is what I called it. I'm tired of psyching myself up to fully investigate and weigh out the pros and cons of a new candidate once I've settled on a good-enough one already (and we have two in the race as it is, but I prefer Perry).
I also find that once I've settled on a choice it's a lot easier to come up with negative reasons why a 'new guy' wouldn't be a good choice and/or shouldn't run, which is what I found myself doing with Ryan (came up with a whole host of reasons why he'd be a bad candidate, etc.) Kinda wonder whether this is the phenomenon that a lot of hardcore Palinistas experienced after falling so hard for her: why even bother looking at anyone else, they all suck!
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 03:20 PM (hIWe1)
No shit he founded Bain Capital with about six others from the Bain Group. I don't get your point. I said he was investment class...not creator class. he has no idea how to start with an idea and make something..
...so his 'business experience" is not something that translate in job growth. Again, take my example of Richard Gere.. he steamlones companies...he doesn't grow them.
yeah, he did get lucky at times..like investing in Staples.
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 03:20 PM (AnTyA)
And that's the fear I have of the coming election. Too many people form and hold their opinions based on nothing more than half-formed emotional connections to their candidate.
If somebody else declared next June -- somebody who is a solid conservative and makes more of the right noises than Perry -- I would support him in a heartbeat.
This is politics...not who to take to the prom.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 03:21 PM (LH6ir)
The last couple of elections most of the mailing I saw were uninspiring while robo calls seem to now be turning people off big time.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at August 26, 2011 03:22 PM (m90eG)
Needless to say: yes, you really, really need to work on your facts. Romney was a co-founder of Bain Capital, which is not the same thing as Bain & Co. (as you comically seem to think it is).
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 07:16 PM (hIWe1)
when you havve Jeffy B on your side..you just know you're in fucking trouble. read the other comments, dipshit
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 03:22 PM (AnTyA)
I think that's right, because when Paul Ryan was floated as a possible contender, I really said "meh, I wish he wouldn't."
Sure, there's the loyalty thing, but with Ryan he wasn't that compelling as a potential contender in the first place.
I like the guy and have no doubt he'd be awesome in debates, but he's too young, too inexperienced, and only a House rep.
We can only guess how much enthusiasm there might have been for another late entry if it was a more conventional (i.e. governor) type of candidate. Ryan was just too easy to write off as a guy who'd make a great President... someday.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 26, 2011 03:24 PM (SY2Kh)
You are doubling-down on stupid...that rarely ends well on this blog.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 03:25 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 03:27 PM (TMB3S)
The point seems to have escaped your orbit of brilliance again.
The bottom line is, you blithering idiot, that Romney has a history of destroying jobs...for the sake of investors' profits.
...and don't give me that crap that he will pare down government. his history in Mass tells that particular story
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 03:27 PM (AnTyA)
He then doesn't hire the silly consultants into his administration. The establishment hates him, because they are looking at 8 years of unemployment.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 26, 2011 03:27 PM (cSkZ5)
Um...
Posted by: Iowa Caucas et al at August 26, 2011 03:27 PM (sOXQX)
This is politics...not who to take to the prom.
Next June? The primaries are pretty much over by June, and it would be far too late to get on the ballot. They'd have to run third party, and that would be bad news for us, good news for Obama.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 26, 2011 03:28 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: ace at August 26, 2011 03:28 PM (nj1bB)
>>>No shit he founded Bain Capital with about six others from the Bain Group. I don't get your point. I said he was investment class...not creator class. he has no idea how to start with an idea and make something..
First of all, he didn't found it "with about six others," he founded it with two other guys. Nice attempt at trying to dilute his achievement by suggesting he was just one of seven random Big Money Dudes who used their cushy Wall Street Big Money connections to get rich or something.
Second of all, you didn't say this at all. You said: "And Romney, he's no fucking businessman. He's a leech private equity investor. He doesn't know dick about making the necessary decisions as to how to run a business. He just looks at results of those who do and then rides their coattails."
You have no idea what Romney's job was with Bain, do you? Apparently you think he just bought companies that were profitable yet underappreciated and then exploited their unforeseen profitability or something. No, what Romney did at Bain was function as a turnaround expert: he bought struggling or failing companies, went in with heavy analytical expertise, took over day-to-day operations and restructuring, and either turned those companies around from failures to successes or found ways to massively increase their success.
How this isn't "business" is absolutely beyond me. I suspect you have this stupid, highly idiosyncratic definition of being a successful businessman that conveniently excludes Romney's hands-on, incredibly successful business track record. What, because he didn't come up with a proprietary idea, or a patent, or start a restaurant from scratch, he's not a "businessman" now? That's the most pathetically opportunistic (and know-nothing-ignorant) standard imaginable: what Romney did was not merely be a passive "investor" -- he revamped companies from top to bottom in order to turn them to profit from loss.
But I guess that ain't worth shit to you because he didn't operate his own local car wash or some bullshit like that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 03:28 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 03:28 PM (5H6zj)
>>>Is this what you want?
See, I can't do this anymore. It just stirs up too many people when I do it.
But I do enjoy it.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 03:29 PM (hIWe1)
Bullshit
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 26, 2011 03:29 PM (cSkZ5)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 07:20 PM (hIWe1)
No; Palin is my #1 choice but I have no problem getting behind Perry. I want Rove gone almost as much as the SCoaMF and either Perry or Palin gets that done.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 26, 2011 03:29 PM (yKL37)
You think this was LUCK? Are you aware of Romney's *personal* involvement in the revamping of Staples and his turning it from a local office-supply store to the ultra-dominant megachain it is today? You think that happened by accident? That somebody else did the work (from within Staples itself?) and that Romney just "got lucky?"
You'll never get that "lucky" in your entire life, dude.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 03:31 PM (hIWe1)
...and don't give me that crap that he will pare down government. his history in Mass tells that particular story
I'm not a big Mittens guy by any means, (although I don't hate him like some do), but cmon, dude was elected Governor, not Emperor of Massachusetts.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 26, 2011 03:31 PM (hv9/n)
But the super conservatives will smugly go on knowing that a "real conservative" - "moderates need not apply - thanks Rush" - led the charge into the valley. Social conservatives need to tend to their own business; it is Doom in a national election.
Small business/small government advocacy, libertarianism, entrepreneurism and individualism are winners.
Posted by: Bobby Ahr at August 26, 2011 03:32 PM (vPZST)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 03:33 PM (TMB3S)
Twas more like, guidelines, anyway.
Posted by: Capt. Jack "The Gipper" Sparrow at August 26, 2011 03:34 PM (sOXQX)
Actually, you just damned yourself with this post, though you don't seem to realize it.
Hey guys, let's all go back to shitty mom-and-pop stores, like the urban liberals and, apparently, beedubya want us to! Investors, turnaround experts, profitability and growth, national expansion: that shit is for Wall Street profiteers the ignorant poors they prey upon!
You really ARE a Know-Nothing.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 03:35 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 07:25 PM (LH6ir)
You too are missing my point. Romney's history is not of creating jobs. It's the opposite in many cases. Making money off others is not creating jobs.
I don't begrudge him that, but do not conflate investor with creator.
Like Boner. his small business experience is touted. he was head of a small regional sales rep group. he doesn't know shit about creating anything either
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 03:35 PM (AnTyA)
Bullshit
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 26, 2011 07:29 PM (cSkZ5)
Even if it isn't bullshit, if the labor wasn't being used productively, then what's the problem with spending the money elsewhere?
You can't support capitalism and then say that job destruction is a bad thing.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 03:35 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 03:36 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 07:33 PM (TMB3S)
Pretend all you want.
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 03:36 PM (AnTyA)
Wow. Did you come over here right after reading Politico?
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 26, 2011 03:36 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 07:27 PM (TMB3S)
I'm not a Romney fan at all but that right there is probably the best thing to recommend him for the job on top of his time as a governor. Could you imagine what a financial disaster the Olympics would've been with the SCoaMF in charge.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 26, 2011 03:37 PM (yKL37)
No, I get your point. It's wrong. And you made a factual error and then didn't own up to it. Good luck with that on this blog.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 03:37 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 26, 2011 03:38 PM (bjRNS)
Try all caps: it's seems much more emphatic, and just as illuminating as your other retorts.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 03:38 PM (LH6ir)
So Beedubya apparently believes, like French Socialists, that workers should never be let go from companies, even if they are unprofitable. Because the company OWES them a job, and laying someone off is a priori a hateful thing that damns the soul of the person who makes the decision to do so.
By the way, when Romney helped Staples grow from a local store to a national mega-chain, you think that might've created a few jobs? Just maybe a couple here and there? That wouldn't have been there if not for him? NAAAAAAH.
You must've been a big fan of Feudalism, Beedubya. Full employment!
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 03:39 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at August 26, 2011 03:39 PM (GmKsI)
Could you imagine what a financial disaster the Olympics would've been with the SCoaMF in charge.
All that white powder in Utah? I think not.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 26, 2011 03:40 PM (hv9/n)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 03:40 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: A Metric Assload of Conservatives...Squared... at August 26, 2011 03:40 PM (NBj0d)
Posted by: mr echo at August 26, 2011 03:43 PM (mexsR)
What factual error was that. ?? ..the same one that that genius jeffy B. thought he spotted?
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 03:45 PM (AnTyA)
Because as I pointed out Beedubya is not a conservative but, rather, a Feudalist.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 03:45 PM (hIWe1)
Well, apparently the concept of investment banking and supplying capital to start-ups and improving efficiency and profitability is too complicated to see as wealth creation, so the lazy among us denigrate it as "investing."
Idiots.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 03:45 PM (LH6ir)
Are you trying to tell me I thought wrong?
Posted by: mr echo at August 26, 2011 07:43 PM (mexsR)
I think so. The country clubbers didn't even like Reagan but they knew enough to keep their simple holes shut for 8 years while setting up a poison pill like Poppy Bush to come in and fuck things up.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 26, 2011 03:47 PM (yKL37)
I can think of several, actually:
1.) Mitt Romney isn't a businessman.
2.) Mitt Romney never started a business.
3.) He never created any jobs.
4.) There is something wrong per se about firing people even if the work they do is unprofitable.
5.) Beedubya is a conservative.
You have this weird image of Romney as some sort of T. Boone Pickens-style corporate raider, I think. Again: you apparently know jack squat about what he actually did in his business career.
And remember: I'm voting for Perry. I'm just struck dumb by your ostentatious know-nothingism.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 03:48 PM (hIWe1)
The following is a direct quotation:
"Really?? He founded Bain Capital???
I need to work on my facts?? Listen, douchebag, get your fucking ducks in a row before you come skipping in with this dumbfuckery ."
You claim here that Romney did not found Bain Capital.
You are wrong. In error. Not aware of the facts. (and being a dick)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 03:48 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: reich perry at August 26, 2011 03:49 PM (Ou4YC)
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 03:54 PM (AnTyA)
People will decide when it's time to decide. TJTWIFI
Posted by: K~Bob at August 26, 2011 03:54 PM (9b6FB)
In TX, Rick Perry IS the establishment, insofar as he's been governor 10 years. He's not Washington establishment but he is TX establishment. He's been in the legislature, served as Ag commisionner, Lt Governor, and now Governor. He's no Tea Party upstart that came out of nowhere. That doesn't make him bad or the wrong guy, but let's not pretend he's some outsider.
Rick Perry is a politician. And probably as a presidential candidate, you need someone with political experience as well as executive experience. Perry has both and that's to his benefit. The biggest issue a president Perry would have to face though would be a Congress that's filled with establishment Repubs and Dems. It would take a miracle for anyone to deal with that morass. You've got to be an effective communicator to the public because there's no way the DC crowd is interested in change. That will be one of the keys I look to on the trail; how well he can get his ideas across.
Posted by: Jon in TX at August 26, 2011 03:55 PM (lRqIF)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 03:56 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 03:58 PM (TMB3S)
You are wrong. In error. Not aware of the facts. (and being a dick)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 07:48 PM (LH6ir)
Poorly worded...that's all. Read the rest of my comments and put it in context where I stated he was he was investor class, not creator class...and being an investor is much, much different that overcoming the hurdles of starting a business that provides a service, or more importantly, one that makes stuff.
Missing that point, my friend, is on the Jeffy B. level of of obtuseness.
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 03:59 PM (AnTyA)
A lot of people here think that about you, however. Interesting coincidence, that.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 04:07 PM (hIWe1)
Really, do you know anything about Romney at all or are you just pulling shit out of your ass? Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2011 07:58 PM (TMB3S
Again..keep pretending you're just crushing in this debate.
That's just another example of your fantasy boyfriend flip-flopping depending on the political winds.
C'mon..fess up. What's the attraction? Is it the hair??...or the dazzlingly white smile??
2005 story from the Boston Globe:
Governor Mitt Romney signaled his support yesterday for a regional agreement among Northeastern states to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, despite opposition from power companies and other business interests that have been lobbying the administration against the plan.
In opening remarks to a clean-energy conference in Boston, Romney said the first-of-its-kind agreement, under which Massachusetts and eight other states could be required to cut power plant emissions by 2020, will not hurt the economy, as some have charged. He argued that it would spur businesses to develop clean- and renewable-energy technology to market worldwide.
”This is a great thing for the Commonwealth,” Romney said, his strongest endorsement of the pact to date. ”We can effectively create incentives to help stimulate a sector of the economy and at the same time not kill jobs.”
[...]
”I’m convinced it is good business,” Romney said. [Boston Globe, 11/8/05]
The “Mother Nature Network” also reports:
“As governor of Massachusetts, Romney supported a carbon-trading pact among Northeastern states that, like his health care bill, served as a potential model for a national version. Romney even said of the plan, “I am convinced it is good for business.” Of carbon emissions in general, Romney said, “These carbon-emissions limits will provide real and immediate progress.” But in just a few short years, Romney’s cap-and-trade feelings shifted. “We’re going to move our new facilities from the U.S. to China, where they don’t have those agreements. You end up polluting and putting just as much CO2 in the air because the big energy users go there. That’s why these ideas make sense, but only on a global basis. They don’t call it ‘America warming.’ They call it ‘global warming.’”…
“..When it comes to subsidies for corn-based ethanol as a domestic energy source, Romney has been more consistent. Speaking in Iowa recently, he told a voter “I support the subsidy of ethanol; I believe ethanol is an important part of our energy solution for this country.” For Romney, the endorsement of ethanol subsidies doesn’t jibe with his usual “market-based” approach to energy, but as the conservative-leaning Washington Examiner explains, the former governor may simply have to dig in his heels for the sake of staying consistent. “As we’ve seen with his refusal to renounce his Massachusetts health care plan, Romney is eager to avoid the ‘flip flopper’ label that dogged him last time, and he’s willing to stick with positions that will open him up to attacks. Of course, this doesn’t get him off the hook from all of the shifts in his positions in his last campaign, but it does mean that he doesn’t want to do anything to reinforce the perception that he’s inauthentic.”
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 04:07 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 08:07 PM (hIWe1)
Well, I guess you're just not really paying attention then
Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 04:08 PM (AnTyA)
So you think the highest and most valuable form of business is manufacturing? I take it you're a big fan of Communist China? Or the (stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure of an) American auto industry, then? Because they're pretty much the only people who "make stuff" anymore in America. Manufacturing jobs have left and they're never, ever, ever, ever coming back. Maybe you should back Pat Buchanan. It seems like the truth is that you're an old-school "trade is bad" paleo-Democrat if you really think "making stuff" is the most valid form of business in the 21st century. We're in a service & white-collar economy now, bitch. You done got left behind.
Oh, and "poorly worded...that's all" is on the level of the Black Knight saying "it's only flesh wound." You outright insulted JackStraw with a blizzard of curse words when it was clear from your initial wording that you didn't know the difference between Bain & Co. and Bain Capital. You've been trying to skirt acknowledging that, but since we're not rock stupid we haven't been fooled.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 04:12 PM (hIWe1)
I think Nietzsche espoused that view. Let me check my German-language 3rd Edition of Menschliches, Allzumenschliches.
Posted by: reich perry at August 26, 2011 04:13 PM (Ou4YC)
I'm not all that concerned about the opinion of someone who has proven on this thread, in front of a revolving procession of awestruck and bemused commenters, that he himself is a complete idiot.
Your assessments are not, shall we say, highly valued by anyone around here.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 26, 2011 04:14 PM (hIWe1)
>> The bottom line is, you blithering idiot, that Romney has a history of destroying jobs...for the sake of investors' profits.
That's kind of, what's the word I'm lookin for? Stupid as fuck.
Any company that wants to live better keep its costs in line with revenues. That's the deal Lucille. If revenues are down you cut jobs. Pure and simple. I've been doing it for 20 years.
Corporations are not job farms. They exist to make profits. Period.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 26, 2011 04:22 PM (PjVdx)
Corporations are not job farms. They exist to make profits. Period.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 26, 2011 08:22 PM (PjVdx)
My point exactly.
Oh...and before you go tossing around things like "stupid as fuck' go read the rest of the comments and put my commneted you highlighted in context
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Posted by: Chris at August 26, 2011 07:31 PM (iBruS)
Actually the establishment rupublicans and democrats remind me of the Pharisees and Saduccees of Jesus' time. They were constantly fighting each and despised one another...until someone showed up and threatened their nice comfy positions of power. Then they teamed up on that one guy who was a threat to both.
So short sighted they don't see how screwed we are if we elect another progressive
Posted by: lowercaseM at August 26, 2011 08:51 PM (IdC46)
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