July 24, 2011
— rdbrewer From Hot Air's headlines yesterday, two different teams of scientists at the Large Hadron Collider are reporting a "bump" in their data. That's what they always say when they think they may have found something.
Experts were quick to point out, however, that the bumps could also be caused by computer glitches and flaws in data models.Fabiola Gianotti, spokeswoman for a 3,000-strong team using detection equipment called Atlas, said: 'We cannot say anything today, but clearly it's intriguing.'
Her view was shared by Guido Tonelli, spokesman the other team using CMS detectors, who independently discovered bumps in their data as well.
He said more research was needed to isolate the difference between 'statistical fluctuations or possible hints of a signal'.
If the bumps are from nature and not man-made error, scientists will have found proof of the last piece in a jigsaw puzzle that forms a theory of how we understand the universe.
Excellent video explaining the Higgs boson below the fold.
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Posted by: AGW Scientists at July 24, 2011 12:44 PM (EohrX)
And who lost their eyeball?
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 12:44 PM (M9Ie6)
Bunch of little Eichmanns
Posted by: Ward Churchhill at July 24, 2011 12:44 PM (T6ZSK)
Posted by: pep at July 24, 2011 12:44 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: ParisParamus-Hewitt at July 24, 2011 12:47 PM (oISis)
Any story that starts off with "After the Big MacGuffin Bang" makes me giggle.
Posted by: sifty at July 24, 2011 12:47 PM (ECjvn)
It would be a fact.
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 12:49 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Tina Turner at July 24, 2011 12:49 PM (IMglX)
Posted by: ParisParamus-Hewitt at July 24, 2011 12:50 PM (oISis)
Posted by: TrueNorthist at July 24, 2011 12:50 PM (RQtDB)
Yeah, that makes your next grant request somewhat less attractive.
Posted by: pep at July 24, 2011 12:52 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Retread at July 24, 2011 12:53 PM (G+7cD)
Scientist codespeak for "We aren't really sure yet but we're taking credit before anyone else can..."
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at July 24, 2011 12:53 PM (CWsZV)
Posted by: Truman North at July 24, 2011 12:53 PM (K2wpv)
That was in a totally different area of research.
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 12:54 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at July 24, 2011 12:55 PM (aXOni)
Unless what they are teaching for scientific method has changed in the last 40 years that has always been the way it is.
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 12:58 PM (M9Ie6)
Which suggests that at some point there will be a funding-based shift to prove that climate change doesn't exist!
Posted by: ParisParamus-Hewitt at July 24, 2011 12:59 PM (oISis)
Posted by: Algore, god of thunder at July 24, 2011 01:00 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: ParisParamus-Hewitt at July 24, 2011 01:02 PM (oISis)
Posted by: Frank G at July 24, 2011 01:03 PM (1rPxL)
Posted by: Truman North at July 24, 2011 01:06 PM (K2wpv)
If we were to start quoting the Bible and referring to AGW as the fiery apocalypse, ordained by God, they'd start backtracking faster than Michael Vick at a dogfight.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 01:07 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 24, 2011 01:08 PM (Z05lF)
Nobody knows what gravity is, or any other force. All we can do is describe what they do.
That's MY Move!
Posted by: God at July 24, 2011 01:09 PM (sjc+K)
I know the president is worried about the next election, but my God, shouldn't we be worried about the country.
Boehner on Fox
More of this please.
Posted by: pep at July 24, 2011 01:09 PM (6TB1Z)
Anyone know how this helps Michelles kids?
Posted by: robtr 80'sbaby Libaration Front at July 24, 2011 01:09 PM (MtwBb)
There are many theories contained within the Theory of Relativity. A lot of them have been proved since the advance into space travel. Those are no longer theories.
And as far as nuclear bombs going off, at one time most of that was theory as well. Now it no longer is theory.
In fact, we now know all kinds of "facts" about nuclear fission and fusion.
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 01:11 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: booger at July 24, 2011 01:12 PM (9RFH1)
Fabiola Gianotti, spokeswoman ....
You just know with a name like that she's a Denise Richards type hottie scientist.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 24, 2011 01:12 PM (4q5tP)
A theory is just an explanation for how the world works, that has been refined to a high enough degree, and supported by enough experimentation and/or theory, that it has become generally accepted.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 24, 2011 01:12 PM (blLl1)
If I'd had a better upbringing, I'd probably have been a particle physicist long ago. That stuff just fascinates me. One of my favorite books is called Finding God in Physics by a guy with no scientific background whatsoever (C*ntessa Brewer hardest hit), he explores it from a metaphysical standpoint. It's a great read, IMO.
My pocket protector has asked for a cigarette. And it's all wet, for some reason...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 24, 2011 01:12 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Navy COP joe aka supercabbie!!! at July 24, 2011 01:13 PM (bARny)
er, that should be "supported by enough experimentation and/or models"
Posted by: chemjeff at July 24, 2011 01:14 PM (blLl1)
Posted by: Navy COP joe aka supercabbie!!! at July 24, 2011 05:13 PM (bARny)
AHAHAHAAHAHAA!
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 01:14 PM (piMMO)
Fabiola Gianotti, spokeswoman ....
You just know with a name like that she's a Denise Richards type hottie scientist.
Aack!
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 01:16 PM (piMMO)
Science also never tells you "why", it just tells you "how".
If anyone asks me "why", I always reply "because God and Mother Nature" made it that way, 
.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 24, 2011 01:17 PM (9hSKh)
yeah there's something wrong there... is she a vampire?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 24, 2011 01:17 PM (blLl1)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 24, 2011 01:18 PM (9hSKh)
But that is the way I have looked at it since I was very young over 50 years ago. I think we are getting caught up more in semantics.
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 01:18 PM (M9Ie6)
Fabiola Gianotti, spokeswoman ....
You just know with a name like that she's a Denise Richards type hottie scientist.
Aack!
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 05:16 PM (piMMO)
OH. MY. GOD! (Dean Wormer voice)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 24, 2011 01:19 PM (4q5tP)
that's what I'm going with.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 05:04 PM (piMMO)
This.
I regard science in general as a largely overpaid and overspent waste of time.
I have a much, much higher respect for those in the service industry.
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 01:20 PM (HdxTc)
LOL, well I can tell you never once when pulling rods to take a reactor critical did I ever worry about a Higgs-Boson.
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 01:21 PM (M9Ie6)
The LHC opened, what, a few months ago? If they find the ultimate particle, how does the place justify it's continued existence? In a just world, they would simply recognize their work is done, and turn the place back into cow pasture.
Posted by: ParisParamus-Hewitt at July 24, 2011 01:22 PM (oISis)
Posted by: UN report circa 2100 at July 24, 2011 01:22 PM (FcMtg)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 01:24 PM (h16L8)
Fabiola Gianotti, spokeswoman ....
You just know with a name like that she's a Denise Richards type hottie scientist.
Aack!
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 05:16 PM (piMMO)
OH. MY. GOD! (Dean Wormer voice)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 24, 2011 05:19 PM (4q5tP)
Yes. She. Hit. Every. Branch.
Posted by: The Ugly Tree at July 24, 2011 01:24 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 24, 2011 01:28 PM (blLl1)
Fabiola Gianotti, spokeswoman ....
You just know with a name like that she's a Denise Richards type hottie scientist.
Aack!
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 05:16 PM (piMMO)
Dont ever do that again!
Posted by: Johnnyreb at July 24, 2011 01:28 PM (NNrYJ)
Ha.
You're on a plane. Beside you is your child. The plane suddenly enters a ferocious storm and is tossed dangerously to and fro.
What do you do?
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 01:28 PM (piMMO)
All right, since all the sciency Morons are in attendance, I'll throw this one out there in the hopes that someone has also heard about this.
A bunch of NASA scientists were running doing some reasearch trying to find out if the space between the orbiting electrons in an atom was really a vacuum. They kept getting back obscenely high numbers which they didn't expect, which led them to surmise that maybe there was some sort of energy field that they had no means of measuring, and it wasn't really a vacuum at all.
Have any of you smarter Morons heard about this and can point me to some more articles about it? Inquiring minds want to know...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 24, 2011 01:28 PM (d0Tfm)
What do you do?
Well if I here strange laughter and Ming the Merciless I call for help from Flash.
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 01:30 PM (M9Ie6)
Says the guy that buys magazines to learn how to dress, buy a Glock 26 (Baby Glock)!
I keed chemjeff but, not about the Baby Glock.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 01:31 PM (h16L8)
If they find the ultimate particle, how does the place justify it's continued existence?
I rather doubt they'll find it.
What's advancing is mankind's ability to measure things that were previously too small to measure. They'll find an even smaller particle, requiring an even larger collider, rinse and repeat ad infitium until The Big Guy says, "That's all I'm gonna let you find. Give it a rest, go home and spend some time with your family. I've Got This."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 24, 2011 01:34 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 01:35 PM (h16L8)
Not a scientist (just a bit of college chemistry) .... but at this scale it seems to me you're dealing with physics and particles and fields and energy that makes the concept of a vacuum inapplicable. The "orbit" of an electron really isn't anyway. It's more of a general area you're likely to find an electron, and most of those regions aren't even orbit shaped.
Posted by: UN report circa 2100 at July 24, 2011 01:36 PM (FcMtg)
Now here's a theory, do electrons flow, or to holes flow?
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 01:36 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: The Other Guy that always yells "RINO" at July 24, 2011 01:37 PM (OH+fS)
It has been a couple of years, but there have been glitches, and in any case, the thing shuts down annually for a whole season.
It's not just seeking the Higgs. It's also looking for supersymmetric particles which may explain Dark Matter. If they exist, then there'll be a bunch of them to find. And if they don't exist, that'll send the theorists scurrying back to their drawing boards to come up with a new theory to test. There has to be some physics to explain the observations.
Posted by: Splunge at July 24, 2011 01:37 PM (2IW5Q)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 24, 2011 01:37 PM (d0Tfm)
LOL! Funny, but fail!
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 01:38 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 05:35 PM (h16L
He's saved my sorry ass too a couple or dozen times.
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 01:39 PM (HdxTc)
Posted by: nevergiveup at July 24, 2011 01:41 PM (7wmOW)
He's saved my sorry ass too a couple or dozen times.
Same here, most recently on August 8, 2009 when I croaked in the back of the ambulance. Had I been anywhere else, I wouldn't be here to tell the tale.
My fascination with physics is an outgrowth of my faith in The Creator. None of this came about by accident, and by "this" I mean everything. It's just way cool to see what He has done a little bit better.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 24, 2011 01:45 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: nevergiveup at July 24, 2011 05:41 PM (7wmOW)
Is that the Jewish self-torture speaking?
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 01:46 PM (HdxTc)
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 01:46 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: nevergiveup at July 24, 2011 01:46 PM (7wmOW)
Have any of you smarter Morons heard about this and can point me to some more articles about it? Inquiring minds want to know...
Posted by: BackwardsBoyTotal stab in the dark but zero point / ground state?
Posted by: drybrush at July 24, 2011 01:49 PM (mIucK)
The Lord let the AK round hit me in the ass instead of 4'' higher to take out vital organs and I bet he laughed like the great Lord that he is.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 01:50 PM (h16L8)
My fascination with physics is an outgrowth of my faith in The Creator. None of this came about by accident, and by "this" I mean everything. It's just way cool to see what He has done a little bit better.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 24, 2011 05:45 PM (d0Tfm)
That's interesting because I've always been fascinated in archaeology and much of that came about when I was 14 and suddenly wanted to learn about Biblical archaeology for some reason.
I didn't grow up in a religious family at all but I've always been drawn to God.
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 01:50 PM (HdxTc)
Posted by: Zombie Chris Farley at July 24, 2011 01:51 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: model_1066 at July 24, 2011 01:51 PM (2j/Mv)
Posted by: nevergiveup at July 24, 2011 05:46 PM (7wmOW)
Yeah that was stupid, my apologies.
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 01:52 PM (HdxTc)
Posted by: Papa Editor at July 24, 2011 01:52 PM (FZZ94)
Although good Christians do at times question their faith. There is just something....we just know.
It's as simple as that.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 01:53 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: at July 24, 2011 01:53 PM (6IV8T)
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 01:55 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: nevergiveup at July 24, 2011 01:55 PM (7wmOW)
It's as simple as that.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 05:53 PM (piMMO)
Yep.
And that is something noone can take away, ever.
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 01:59 PM (HdxTc)
Posted by: Winston at July 24, 2011 05:51 PM (zIH6G)
Can't find anything. Last thing Fox said from Boner before I lost my satellite was no deal and they would wait until tomorrow.
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 01:59 PM (M9Ie6)
I dunno about that.
He seems to have denied the existence of God as we know him. I don't know his full history and haven't read all the quotes, but those I've read suggest he was spiritual rather than a believer.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 01:59 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: CJM at July 24, 2011 01:59 PM (Vubbz)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 01:59 PM (h16L8)
Is the Higgs field what keeps things from going faster than light, and if so, how do we make it our bitch?
Posted by: Geoarrge at July 24, 2011 02:00 PM (T1RZc)
Not being much of a Gwyneth Paltrow fan, I was much less horrified by the end of that film than I probably should have been.
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 24, 2011 02:00 PM (+umsD)
Posted by: Marybel at July 24, 2011 02:03 PM (Hic+o)
Didn't Einstein say that he was a scientist because he believed in God, and wanted to find out how God had done all of this?
I think you're right. He wanted to find what he called the Unified Theory which, IIRC, would've pretty much proven His Existence, kinda, sorta.
However, that would destroy Faith IMO, which is believing in what you can't see, or hear, or touch. I think The Big Guy will just show all the scientists enough to keep them looking further.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 24, 2011 02:05 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at July 24, 2011 02:05 PM (JEr/p)
Why everybody knows that all you have to do is find a wormhole junction and raise your Warshawski Sails and poof hundreds of light years in an instance.
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 02:06 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 02:07 PM (h16L8)
Posted by: Truman North at July 24, 2011 02:07 PM (K2wpv)
Posted by: nevergiveup at July 24, 2011 02:08 PM (7wmOW)
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 02:08 PM (M9Ie6)
You're on a plane. Beside you is your child. The plane suddenly enters a ferocious storm and is tossed dangerously to and fro.
What do you do?
I try to panic and use it as an excuse to punch people in the face 'accidentally'.
Posted by: CozMark at July 24, 2011 02:08 PM (HK4Kc)
Posted by: Truman North at July 24, 2011 02:10 PM (K2wpv)
Didn't Einstein say that he was a scientist because he believed in God, and wanted to find out how God had done all of this?
Posted by: at July 24, 2011 05:53 PM (6IV8T)
If Einstein had any concept of God, he would realize that he had no chance.
I don't know the truth behind what Einstein said but it seems pretty arrogant, if it's true.
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 02:11 PM (HdxTc)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 02:12 PM (h16L8)
It's nice to be able to recognize God as the creator of science here. Over at Chucky's slag pit, I was shredded for saying as much a few years ago.
Welcome to the Wide World of Morons. You expected something different from a smart military blog like this one?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 24, 2011 02:12 PM (d0Tfm)
Anything Einstein said about things other than relativity and the photoelectric effect are appeals to false authority.
Oh, and juggling lots of girlfriends. He always had multiple booty call options.
Posted by: Truman North at July 24, 2011 02:12 PM (K2wpv)
Did you see that link I posted this morning?
Must see animated gif at Gateway Pundit
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 02:13 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Erwin Schrodinger at July 24, 2011 02:13 PM (Txl/u)
Posted by: Erwin Schrodinger at July 24, 2011 06:13 PM (Txl/u)
heh. Check with the Gotham Princess.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 24, 2011 02:15 PM (4q5tP)
When your child keeps asking, Why?Why?Why?, what do you do? You give them just enough information to shut them up. That is, until they are able to comprehend a more precise definition or elaborate explanation.
A few days ago I read that now there is yet ANOTHER theory for how life was once wiped from the face of the earth.
The Big Burp: A huge bubble of methane which arose from the ocean floor.
The more you know....
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 02:16 PM (piMMO)
Yessir I did, reminded me of my youngest son when he was 5yo, and he got a pop on his butt too.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 02:17 PM (h16L8)
Posted by: Duhwayne at July 24, 2011 02:17 PM (BAtLQ)
Posted by: Erwin Schrodinger
No, but I do know how fast it was going.
Posted by: traffic cop with radar gun at July 24, 2011 02:19 PM (BSWJE)
I was wondering the same thing. I'm keeping my eye on this.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 02:21 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Cricket at July 24, 2011 02:21 PM (DrC22)
I regard science in general as a waste of time.
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 05:20 PM (HdxTc)
You poor dumb bastard. I hope you are not responsible for the education of any children
Posted by: dr kill at July 24, 2011 02:22 PM (le5qc)
>>Isn't it all just so much easier to say that God did it?<<
Yeah! And I would have got away with it too if it hadn't been for those pesky kids!
Posted by: The Boss of all bosses at July 24, 2011 02:24 PM (oeW/D)
The Big Burp: A huge bubble of methane which arose from the ocean floor.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 06:16 PM (piMMO)
Isn't that what causes planes and ships to disappear from the Bermuda Triangle?
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 02:24 PM (HdxTc)
Anything Einstein said about things other than relativity and the photoelectric effect are appeals to false authority.
Oh, and juggling lots of girlfriends. He always had multiple booty call options.
Fo' shizzle? I knew I liked old Al for a reason.
I'll say one last thing and then I'm off to watch last nights' recorded Nationwide race.
Einstein wasn't perfect, but at least he was open to the existence of God, which puts him head and shoulders above any other popular scientist today, like Stephen Hawking.
Scientific discovery will enter a new era of enlightenment when scientists start to accept the fact that this universe was indeed Created and not just some random event. Their arrogance must be dispensed with. There is only one God, and it ain't them. The best they can hope for is to explain what The Big Guy has done.
Even then, they'll never know Why.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 24, 2011 02:25 PM (d0Tfm)
You poor dumb bastard. I hope you are not responsible for the education of any children
Posted by: dr kill at July 24, 2011 06:22 PM (le5qc)
Indeed I am! I'm teaching my 7 year old niece how to play golf.
A much more enriching and valuable life lesson experience.
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 02:26 PM (HdxTc)
1" sirloin bits
1"chicken breast bits
fresh jumbo shrimp
1" deer sausage bits
rainbow peppers, yellow, green, red and orange
onions
schrooms
Baked potato and garden salad as sides......OMG it was great. lol
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 02:27 PM (h16L8)
Posted by: Subic Bay Shore Patrol at July 24, 2011 02:28 PM (SRNUk)
Posted by: Professor Ilsa von Schnoogieboobies at July 24, 2011 02:28 PM (AnTyA)
Before there was this, there was that, and so on and so on and so on....
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 02:32 PM (piMMO)
Indeed I am! I'm teaching my 7 year old niece how to play golf.
A much more enriching and valuable life lesson experience.
Indeed. I can only imagine how intellectually impoverished my life would have been if I had wasted time learning basic macro-economics instead of working on my swing.
Posted by: King Putt at July 24, 2011 02:32 PM (Txl/u)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 02:33 PM (h16L8)
No silly. You're confused. That's aliens you're thinking of.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 02:33 PM (piMMO)
Scientific discovery will enter a new era of enlightenment when scientists start to accept the fact that this universe was indeed Created and not just some random event. Their arrogance must be dispensed with. There is only one God, and it ain't them. The best they can hope for is to explain what The Big Guy has done.
It's turtles all the way down, dude.
Posted by: Cicero at July 24, 2011 02:33 PM (Txl/u)
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 02:34 PM (HdxTc)
Indeed I am! I'm teaching my 7 year old niece how to play golf
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 06:26 PM (HdxTc)
That skill will certainly be of great use in her future service industry job. Congratulations to you for teaching her a sport without mentioning any force or velocity or acceleration - type descriptions.
Posted by: dr kill at July 24, 2011 02:35 PM (le5qc)
Stephen Hawking is a very angry man and more so as his condition deteriorates. His anger makes him foolish.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 02:36 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 06:33 PM (piMMO)
Shit. Well, I wasn't planning on another cruise anyway so I guess it doesn't matter. Those Jamaicans turned into real assholes.
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 02:38 PM (HdxTc)
Posted by: Mountanmonjry at July 24, 2011 02:38 PM (6DVgJ)
Posted by: Truman North at July 24, 2011 02:38 PM (K2wpv)
Can I have the fluffy skittles-shitting unicorn, please?!
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 02:39 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Truman North at July 24, 2011 02:40 PM (K2wpv)
Sorry dear that's only a fantacy that libtards believe, how about an elephant with huge balls?
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 02:40 PM (h16L8)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 06:40 PM (h16L
I'd be satisfied to see an elephant with any balls at all.
Posted by: Cicero at July 24, 2011 02:41 PM (Txl/u)
5:00 PM EDT: While House Speaker John Boehner confers with Republicans on a conference call, aides to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) put out word he is working on a "back-up plan" to boost the debt ceiling by $2.5 trillion.
Early reports on the latest Reid plan: $2.5 trillion in spending cuts, no new taxes, the debt limit goes up $2.5 trillion.
No word yet on the GOP plan Boehner is discussing on his conference call.
Posted by: Truman North at July 24, 2011 02:41 PM (K2wpv)
Posted by: dr kill at July 24, 2011 06:35 PM (le5qc)
Um, I'm encouraging her to play a sport that I'm familiar with and one that I can coach her. She's very bright and she can certainly choose her own academic path.
Get over yourself.
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 02:42 PM (HdxTc)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 24, 2011 02:43 PM (54F2e)
anybody that gets Gwyneth Paltrow beheaded is alright in my book
Posted by: Frank G at July 24, 2011 02:46 PM (1rPxL)
Posted by: Frank G at July 24, 2011 02:46 PM (1rPxL)
yes, please! Of course, I've seen a lot of elephants but until recently understood the huge balls were a myth.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 02:49 PM (piMMO)
She's really ingratiated herself to the masses, huh?
Ever visited Goop? She's insufferable.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 02:51 PM (piMMO)
It's not a great plan, but it's shows they are weakening.
Hang in there Johnny B.!
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 02:52 PM (piMMO)
No debt deal means good times for gold bugs. Gold prices are up sharply in early trading in Asia amid broader worries about risk as the debt-ceiling debate grinds on in the U.S.
Gold for August delivery is up nearly 1% at $1,616.60 an ounce.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 02:55 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 02:57 PM (h16L8)
No debt deal means good times for gold bugs. Gold prices are up sharply in early trading in Asia amid broader worries about risk as the debt-ceiling debate grinds on in the U.S.
Gold for August delivery is up nearly 1% at $1,616.60 an ounce.
Damned italics. That is a direct quote from the WSJ.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 02:57 PM (piMMO)
Ah, someone who actually understands.
Natural Selection is probably not the best theory to describe evolution. Punctuated Equilibrium superseded it. YMMV
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 24, 2011 03:03 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 03:03 PM (M9Ie6)
Best of both worlds! She shuts up for good and he goes to jail.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 24, 2011 03:04 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Meremortal at July 24, 2011 03:06 PM (7FgWm)
i'm not great at math but.............i think that's 0..........
Posted by: at July 24, 2011 03:08 PM (1ECZx)
OT - Press release by ARC Entertainment LINK
The Sarah Palin documentary "The Undefeated"
Excerpt:
Beginning September 1st Video-on-Demand and Pay-Per-View to Make the Film Accessible to Approximately 75 Million Homes Through Major Cable and Satellite Companies Such as DIRECTV, DISH Network and Time Warner Cable
The Video on Demand / Pay-Per-View Launch to be Backed by Multi-Million-Dollar Marketing Campaign
DVD to Launch October 4th in Stores Nationwide with an Initial Shipment Estimated at 250,000 Units
Walmart to Receive a "Special Edition" Version of the Film
Posted by: Sinclair Lewis at July 24, 2011 03:09 PM (HjPtV)
Reid apparently is going to offer a plan of $2.5T deficit cuts to raise the ceiling $2.5T. Course we don't know what baseline he will use or hell even what budget. So basically a raise in debt ceiling with unknown (never ever) cuts. Meh.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 24, 2011 03:09 PM (xW+Fh)
It's a joke.
And they are 13 hours ahead, so probably 8:00pm-9:00pm our time.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 24, 2011 03:10 PM (LH6ir)
LOL, I've seen those for years in Texas.
There was a minor call to get that ornament banned from car or truck display here in PA. Thankfully, it didn't go very far.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 24, 2011 03:10 PM (c0A3e)
Even then, they'll never know Why.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 24, 2011 06:25 PM (d0Tfm)
I wouldn't be too sure.
Posted by: KG at July 24, 2011 03:13 PM (LD21B)
Posted by: King Bammy at July 24, 2011 03:17 PM (o/KTT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 24, 2011 03:18 PM (eOXTH)
If we could only find a truck with boobehs maybe we could get them together and cut out Detroit altogether.
Posted by: Retread at July 24, 2011 03:20 PM (BO5ap)
Everyone know's that hoffa is buried in the endzone of the meadowlands, that's why the NY Giants suuuuuuuuuuuuck!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 03:25 PM (h16L8)
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 07:20 PM (piMMO)
Dear God I hope not. Nothing more irritating than morons trashing a moby.
Posted by: ErikW at July 24, 2011 03:26 PM (HdxTc)
There was a minor call to get that ornament banned from car or truck display here in PA. Thankfully, it didn't go very far.
Evidently they're illegal here. Woman got $445 ticket
Posted by: Vic at July 24, 2011 03:27 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: elspeth at July 24, 2011 03:30 PM (clwS9)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 03:34 PM (h16L8)
Posted by: elspeth at July 24, 2011 07:30 PM (clwS9)
I've never been a high heel, and I've never worn them.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 24, 2011 03:44 PM (yQWNf)
The article linked above about the Higgs boson at UK Online could not have been worse written if a team of monkeys had randomly banged it out on typewriters.
Physicists do not like referring to the Higgs boson as the "God Particle". It's presence (theoretically) explains why and how sub-atomic particles gain mass, but if it is never discovered, then another theory is substantiated.
It is not the final particle that will "explain" the Universe. It is part of a theory that has been (so far) successful in predicting how certain short range nuclear forces work.
Why is this important to everyday people?
1) it explains how matter is put together
2) it could lead to profound means of generating different types of power from sub-atomic matter reactions (release of the binding energy, which is what present day nuclear reactors do) in very efficient and clean ways
3) it could lead to making new types of matter, predicted by the Periodic Table, which could have remarkable properties, such as a room temperature superconductor, which would revolutionize everything about modern day technology
Other than that, Obama is still a schmuck, and we are all still likely to be financially boned in the near future. Just wanted to stick in my two cents in todays AoS craziness.
Carry on.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes... at July 24, 2011 03:44 PM (sJTmU)
Son I'm a warrior of 63 still in great shape but I don't do anything fast unless it's self defense.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 03:49 PM (h16L8)
Posted by: Brett_McS at July 24, 2011 03:49 PM (NW9OH)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 24, 2011 03:50 PM (7M0ww)
Also, 80's Baby was kicked out earlier today. Has she been reinstated?
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 03:54 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: robtr 80'sbaby Liberation Front at July 24, 2011 03:54 PM (MtwBb)
Word was that it happened to 80'sBaby, too. And we need her unbanished, too, especially with all the Boehner/Barky budget news to come over the next few days.
Posted by: Retread at July 24, 2011 03:55 PM (BO5ap)
Posted by: Ronster at July 24, 2011 03:56 PM (9h8nr)
Posted by: Chas Johnson's Ponytail at July 24, 2011 03:56 PM (o/KTT)
The Universe is a jigsaw puzzle of infinite size.
Facts are the pieces.
Theory is how we think they fit together.
Laws are the rules we use to determine how we think they fit together.
Theory does double duty as explaining why we have the laws we have.
God is the prankster that hid the picture on the box and scattered the pieces all over the living room.
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at July 24, 2011 03:56 PM (Fs7RJ)
And while you're unbanning andycanuck, unban '80sbaby!
Unban '80sbaby, else, else...or else I'll say again unban 80'sbaby!
/No justice, no peace!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 24, 2011 03:56 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 24, 2011 03:57 PM (7M0ww)
Posted by: robtr 80'sbaby Liberation Front
Surely, you are kidding about the "soothing effect"? He wanted to throw a lit match on spilled gasoline and claim that Boehner did it.
I know - stop calling me Shirley.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes... at July 24, 2011 03:57 PM (sJTmU)
"No official statements are expexted tonight from the White House on President Obama's meeting with Democratic congressional leaders, but word is they agreed to oppose a short-term debt-limit increase that would force another round of debt battles ahead of the 2012 election."
Dems appears, as ever, to be slow learners.
Posted by: Retread at July 24, 2011 03:58 PM (BO5ap)
"I don't think anyone expects the default to actually occur, because why would you think that was possible? It just seems such a preposterous outcome," said Ashish Shah, head of global credit at AllianceBernstein. "It would seem ridiculous to default when creditors are more than happy to take your credit. But the risks of a downgrade are rising and that ultimately is going to raise the cost of funding for the country."
from the WSJ blogPosted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 03:58 PM (piMMO)
Are those "sparticles"? It would be nice to be able to show thirty years of string theory is something more than mathematical masturbation.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 24, 2011 04:00 PM (/gOMq)
All I saw was Clooney sucks.
That's all I need to know.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 04:02 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Retread at July 24, 2011 04:05 PM (BO5ap)
Posted by: Retread at July 24, 2011 04:06 PM (BO5ap)
I hope D.C.s collective ass is puckering right now.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 04:06 PM (piMMO)
Application denied!
And if you even think about going into any theater with the intention of fapping to the new Captain America movie...let's just say the denizens of Tartarus will feel releaved that at least they aren't where I will send you and your blow-up doll (Juggles).
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 24, 2011 04:06 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Anonymoose at July 24, 2011 04:07 PM (ZgvjV)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 04:08 PM (h16L8)
Posted by: I'm feeling really "small" right now. at July 24, 2011 04:09 PM (Yl2ZQ)
Posted by: Retread at July 24, 2011 04:10 PM (BO5ap)
Posted by: robtr 80'sbaby Liberation Front at July 24, 2011 04:10 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 24, 2011 07:34 PM (h16L
i was in a store yesterday and a girl told the guy behind the counter that it was sweathing worse than a whore in church on Sunday morning.......
Posted by: Racefan at July 24, 2011 04:11 PM (1ECZx)
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at July 24, 2011 04:12 PM (Fs7RJ)
Yeah, that's them, sneutrino and so forth. IIRC there's even one called a "stop squark," which must be about the worst naming since Chastity Bono.
But the funny thing is that even if they exist, string theory could still be only mathematical masturbation. It's just that if they don't exist, my understanding is that string theory is pretty much out the window.
Posted by: Splunge at July 24, 2011 04:16 PM (2IW5Q)
Posted by: Sparticles at July 24, 2011 04:19 PM (o/KTT)
Posted by: journolist at July 24, 2011 04:22 PM (Fb9Q0)
For other nations, it must be like watching your childhood hero stumble out of a sleazy bar with a pipe in one hand and a crack-whore on the other.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 04:24 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 24, 2011 04:36 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 24, 2011 04:37 PM (kUaEF)
Don Surber argues that the real deadline is August 15th, not the 2nd and thus Barky knows he's got more time than he's letting us think. I expect as we get nearer to the 15th the urgency will get more real.
BTW, when is he supposed to go to Martha's Vineyard for his so richly earned vacation?
Posted by: Retread at July 24, 2011 04:38 PM (BO5ap)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 24, 2011 04:39 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 24, 2011 04:40 PM (kUaEF)
Yeah, and the Japanese are apparently expecting several positive earnings reports this week that are buoying the Nikkei.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 04:41 PM (piMMO)
Yes. better.
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 04:42 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Retread at July 24, 2011 04:50 PM (G+7cD)
Posted by: Tenstl at July 24, 2011 04:53 PM (GiF31)
Emotional blackmail? The hell you say!
Posted by: As If... at July 24, 2011 04:57 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: pko Strany at July 24, 2011 07:22 PM (RJOgX)
Posted by: GHD Straighteners at July 30, 2011 11:17 PM (aLmvz)
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Posted by: CausticConservative at July 24, 2011 12:40 PM (gT3jF)