June 13, 2011
— Gabriel Malor Obama and the Democrats continue to push high-speed rail on people that do not want it and do not need it. Over the weekend, Michael Barone spotted yet another of these pointless proposals.
Apparently, the Department of Transportation wants Iowa to help pay for a high-speed rail line from Iowa City to Chicago. The proposed line would average 45 miles per hour and complete the journey in about five hours.
Oh, one other thing. Cox reports that there is already luxury bus service, with plugs for laptops and wireless Internet, from Iowa City to Chicago. It’s part of a larger trend for private companies to offer convenient and inexpensive bus service. A one-way ticket on the bus costs $18, compared to a likely train fare of more than $50. And the bus takes only three hours and 50 minutes to get from Iowa City to Chicago. That’s one hour and 10 minutes faster than the “high-speed” train.
The bus will require less capital investment and actually turn a profit, compared to a high-speed train, which, if it goes like all other train projects have, will cost millions more than projected and never turn a profit.
Don't expect this to alter the technocratic train fantasy on the Left.
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Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2011 03:27 AM (K2wpv)
The comeback of the intercity bus is noteworthy for the fact that it is taking place without government subsidies or as a result of efforts by planning agencies to promote energy efficient forms of transportation
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 03:27 AM (M9Ie6)
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Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 03:29 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2011 03:30 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Lawrence of the Labia at June 13, 2011 03:31 AM (vqLRv)
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Posted by: Lawrence of the Labia at June 13, 2011 03:33 AM (vqLRv)
Yeah, the train unions invented feather-bedding.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 03:34 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2011 03:35 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: tc at June 13, 2011 03:35 AM (PMLMw)
Posted by: Lawrence of the Labia at June 13, 2011 03:36 AM (vqLRv)
I once took a bus from Dublin, GA to Jacksonville, FL when reporting to the USS Saratoga in Mayport. I left Dublin at 7 a.m. had to be on the ship no later than midnight. I thought I had it made in the shade.
I managed to get there with a whole 15 min to spare. If I had drove the same trip would probably have taken 2 or 3 hours at most.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 03:37 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: bigred at June 13, 2011 03:41 AM (weBtw)
And will not use it.
Posted by: Roger at June 13, 2011 03:42 AM (tAwhy)
What the hell is it with these foreign made passenger commuter cars and democrat politicians?
There has to be a financial connection.
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at June 13, 2011 03:52 AM (j5CHE)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 13, 2011 03:55 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Prof. Heinz Doofensmirtz at June 13, 2011 03:57 AM (Xpu2t)
Posted by: Andy at June 13, 2011 03:58 AM (veZ9n)
The problem with regional rail routes like this is the alternatives are so much better. If there is a demand, someone will fill it.
And it saves no carbon emissions if you are running a train that is empty simply because some fucktard wants to be able to take it if and when they feel like it.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 13, 2011 03:58 AM (qsodE)
Posted by: Hal at June 13, 2011 03:59 AM (cNSTn)
high speed trains have a different set of challenges than europe:
1. In Europe employers are more densely concentrated than in the US
2. In Europe, the train system tracks were acquired decades ago at a much more attractive acquisition price - today, the difference is in 10's of billions
3. More parking will be required as some commuters will have vehicles at both destinations (drive to the train station - drive from the station )
4. Total saving will be remote as many consumers will pay parking fees (some times 2) which on a daily basis and on a contract basis (paying for dead weekends and holidays) will drive the potential savings curve downward
5. Unlike Europe, America is more decentralized, thus more stops, thus more costs to implement, more employees, more infrastructure, more local regulation and the end result is slower "fast" trains with higher actual vs theoretical costs
6. And then there is the security screening
Posted by: EricPWJohnson at June 13, 2011 04:01 AM (NJbN7)
And it is not just the damn ferals that are heavy into this crap. When I first moved here 33 years ago the city of Columbia had bus service provided by a private company. They operated at a profit.
The city finally decided that bus service should be a city function so they bought the bus company. It wasn't long before it was losing money big time. And now with huge federal, State, and City subsidies it is still losing money heavy. Back at the first of the year they came to the city and said they had to have more huge subsidies or they would go under.
The city tried to get a 1 cent sales tax passed to fund the buses. It was defeated 2 to 1. So what did they do? They decided that they would pass (without the taxpayers) a 2 cent a kw franchise fee to city electricity to fund the buses.
In our little local podunk town of < 7K people we now have city buses as well being paid for by the tax payers. You can drive through town and see many of these empty buses traveling around burning gas and carrying not a soul. The most people I have ever seen on one of these buses is ONE.
It is damn criminal.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 04:01 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Robin Munn at June 13, 2011 04:03 AM (rbz1A)
Yeah.. all of those arguments fall on deaf ears when talking to libtards.
They think mass transportation will somehow undo all of the urban sprawl that has taken place over the last 50-100 years.
Cars are the transportation of choice for Americans.. for the way we live.. for the way the country is geographically spread out and our cities are built. deal with it.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 13, 2011 04:06 AM (qsodE)
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at June 13, 2011 04:06 AM (KGD+C)
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 04:08 AM (M9Ie6)
Chicago is surrounded by dozens of smaller towns. From Indiana to Wisconsin and out west 30 miles is one big urban space. They set up a bus system from suburb to suburb, but it makes no sense. You still might be a couple miles, at least, from your final destination. So these diesel burning big-ass buses run around empty or with one or two people in them. Ridiculous.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 13, 2011 04:11 AM (qsodE)
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2011 04:12 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2011 04:12 AM (K2wpv)
When I lived on the mainland, I would always consider trips with the family by rail. Anything would beat hours cramped in the car to get to our vacation destination. Only a couple problems:
To get a sleeper car, instead of a semi-reclining seat (we're talking trips of at least 500 miles) the tix would cost at least 5x more than driving and staying at *nice* hotels both ways.
How do you get around once you get there? If we flew, this would be a wash, because we have the same problem. But I'm arguing about driving there. AMTRAK offered a car train deal, where you put your car in special carriers and took it off at your destination. That cost more than the four sleeper car tix combined, and IIRC, only went to Florida.
I considered this, seriously, for a trip from Kansas City to Billings, MT. Guess what? No rail service between the two. Ag least none that wouldn't take a week each way.
Posted by: Chuck Z at June 13, 2011 04:13 AM (Ig+B0)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 13, 2011 04:13 AM (NtTkA)
Posted by: Barack Plays with Choo-Choo Trains at June 13, 2011 04:14 AM (64S5N)
Other than that, it's brilliant!
Posted by: Gen. Sir Harry Paget Flashman, VC at June 13, 2011 04:16 AM (09o4X)
Posted by: PaleRider at June 13, 2011 04:18 AM (cQZV0)
And now that I live in Hawaii, an Island with a circumference of 120 miles (Oahu) and roughly 12 miles in any given direction will put you in the Pacific, and the governator an mayor want to push for light rail as a priority.
(OBTW, the governor also just robbed Peter (the Hawaii hurrcaine relief emergency fund) of $160 Billion to pay Paul (the states other bills not apparently covered by their 8% sales and income taxes.) That $160 Billion is supposede to be completely spent by 30 June. Here's to hoping for a Category five hurricaine slamming the islands on 1 July!
Fuck 'em.
Posted by: Chuck Z at June 13, 2011 04:19 AM (Ig+B0)
1. Do not spend my money on anything that does not have significant profit potential (according to people who actually run businesses. Think Tanks, campaigns, political offices, etc. are not businesses. In other words, not you or anyone that you know or associate with)
2. If said project has significant profit potential, it is not necessary to fund it with tax dollars, since private firms/ individuals will gladly do it. There is no money more expensive than tax money, so everyone on earth can do it more cheaply then you, no matter how much you think your ridiculous lowest bidder that has the most affirmative action points nonsense works.
3. If you choose to debate rules 1 and 2, see the U.S. Postal Service, Amtrak, and all of the other countless programs and agencies vs. any similar private company. Also, in this comparison, the government programs/ agencies you must apply the same GAAP standards to the your programs as you have mandated that private companies use. You are no longer allow to use accounting practices that you prosecute companies like ENRON for.
Posted by: Damiano at June 13, 2011 04:22 AM (3nrx7)
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Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 13, 2011 04:26 AM (NtTkA)
Apparently this blog isn't the only place that doesn't like math.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 13, 2011 04:28 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 13, 2011 07:55 AM (FkKjr)
Make this man a senator!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 13, 2011 04:29 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Case at June 13, 2011 04:39 AM (0K+Kw)
Posted by: Tom at June 13, 2011 04:41 AM (nQR0p)
Yes, Europe has lots of trains.
They also have highways jammed with cars.
What was the point of HSR, again?
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at June 13, 2011 04:44 AM (SCcgT)
In 1970 I use to ride the train into downtown Chicago from North Chicago. It wasn't very high speed but it was always crowded. If I lived in or around a city like Chicago (heaven forbid) I wouldn't even own a car.
Note when I left CA I sore I would NEVER live in a large city again.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 04:46 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: USA at June 13, 2011 04:48 AM (6Cjut)
In Illinois, there has been a corrupt boondoggle brewing for decades now, involving putting in a 3rd Chicago (area) airport in Peotone. Both political parties have been behind it at different times, entirely for the Billions of Dollars that could be laundered through it.
Peotone is a farming community more than 60 miles south of Chicago. Most people who fly live central and north of the city, making it much further for them to get to this unneeded/unwanted/unaffordable airport.
And even funnier, the wizards of smart who have run Illinois into the ground have mapped out the wondrous high speed rail lines for Illinois, and managed to bypass Peotone. So if either one of these boondoggles ever gets built they won't connect with one another.
Posted by: Boots at June 13, 2011 04:49 AM (neKzn)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 13, 2011 04:49 AM (NtTkA)
Just more proof that the so-called "progressives" are more accurately referred to as "regressives." They're trying to take us back to the robber-baron days of the nineteenth century, when trains were the way to travel.
(Until someone invented this evil thing called the personal automobile, and everything went to Hell in a leftist handbasket.)
It's insane. You know, I bet when lefties comment on the internet, THEY TYPE IN ALL CAPS.
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 04:50 AM (4df7R)
And just wait until the train bombings start. At least with a bus bombing the death toll is way lower per bomb. Trains have got to be the most vulnerable form of public transportation ever invented. They can work in a world where people are at least moderately civilized, but with Muz running around free all bets are off.
Posted by: Reactionary at June 13, 2011 04:52 AM (xUM1Q)
Iowa City has a population of 67831 and the adjacent bedroom city of Coralville has a population of 18250.
The route would probably stop at the Quad Cities (pop. 379690) as well as probably having a few stops at the Chicago suburbs. But the fact that it stops at a college town is telling.
If Gov. Branstad (R) spends a dime of Iowa tax money for this, I would be gobsmacked. He's not the most conservative of Republicans, but he's been budget-cutting with relish.
20 High-speed rail would make sense say between Chicago and Dallas with just one or two stops in St. Louis and OKC. And with trains that ran fast, like in Japan. But Milwaukee to Madison, 70 miles? Walker was right to tell them to shove it.
Posted by: bigred at June 13, 2011 07:41 AM (weBtw)
It might make sense to upgrade some of the Boston to DC corridor for high-speed rail (if it is truly high-speed). There would be a number of business and tourist customers for it, because there are already. There's only one other route that would make sense economically.
LA to Las Vegas.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 13, 2011 04:55 AM (73tyQ)
Posted by: fluffy at June 13, 2011 04:57 AM (4Kl5M)
Yep. You need to monitor the whole length of the track. Checking the passengers for bombs is pointless. They can put a bomb on the tracks in East Podunk and shut down the whole thing for weeks, at best.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 13, 2011 04:58 AM (73tyQ)
Some moron in the Kahleeforneeha legislature is proposing that cars give 3 feet clearance to bicycles even if the bikes are in bike lanes... even if they have to cross the center line to maintain the 3 feet.
These people get elected because they are smarter than the rest of us. Ask their online GF's.
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2011 05:00 AM (GXsNq)
Posted by: fluffy at June 13, 2011 08:57 AM (4Kl5M)
Unemployment alleviates congestion better than any construction project.
I was on the Pasadena Freeway midday in April and traffic was light.
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2011 05:02 AM (GXsNq)
Posted by: bigred at June 13, 2011 05:03 AM (weBtw)
And guess who the real robber barons of the 19th century were. It wasn't the likes of Andrew Carnegie as the media would like you to believe. It was the people who built the government subsidized railroads like the transcontinental one that went bankrupt after completion of government subsidies.
Yes, the good old American System at work. Tax the living shit out of one segment of the population to award contracts to to cronies to build things that help some other segment of the population. Everybody loses except the cronies.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 05:06 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2011 05:07 AM (cIyUj)
I haven't seen a mismanagement of trains like this since Germany in the 1940s.
Posted by: Guy who points out things at June 13, 2011 05:09 AM (wuv1c)
It might make sense to upgrade some of the Boston to DC corridor for high-speed rail (if it is truly high-speed). There would be a number of business and tourist customers for it, because there are already.
They have to actually be high speed though. It takes longer, is more expensive, and is less convenient to take the train from DC to NYC than to drive.
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2011 05:09 AM (cIyUj)
I work in Iowa City and it's a hopelessly progressive place due to the University of Iowa in town. The Chicago-Iowa City connection has brought nothing but trouble. There were more fights in downtown Iowa City last summer than ever before because of the influx of the Chicago welfare class.
I started arming myself when the Iowa City city council made noises about becoming a sanctuary city. My anti-Obama bumper stickers have to be magnetic so I can take them off to prevent my car being vandalized.
This used to be a nice place. At least the state legislature is Republican majority now so maybe this high-speed rail crap won't happen.
Posted by: Marmo at June 13, 2011 05:10 AM (InrkQ)
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Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 13, 2011 05:11 AM (HaYO4)
So we "win the future" by using windmills and trains. Got it.
Posted by: weew at June 13, 2011 05:12 AM (l8YWh)
Actually, this bus line has demographics on its side. Back when I was in college at Iowa State in Ames(the late 80's/early 90's), the University of Iowa in Iowa City had a fairly high ratio of out of state students from Illinois. I always heard that at leasdt part of it was because even with out-of-state tuition, it was still cheaper than in-state tuition at the University of Illinois. I believe that this is still the case, so we're talking about a large population in one city who wants to travel regularly to another big metropolitan area.
Plus, it's an $18 trip to Chicago. And you can get as blitzed as you want on both legs of the drive, because you don't have to get behind the wheel. That's not just filling practical demand, it's also providing an attractive road trip option for students.
Posted by: Russ from Winterset at June 13, 2011 05:12 AM (/MEFr)
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Posted by: Sub-tard at June 13, 2011 05:13 AM (Q5+Og)
So we "win the future" by using windmills and trains. Got it.
Yep. Windmills on top of trains. That way, when the train moves, the wind it creates can power the train.
Additionally, we could plant medical marijuana on the roofs and have a mobile dispensary to serve the underprivliged communities.
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2011 05:15 AM (K2wpv)
1. They always create another bureaucracy to manage them and more taxes to support that new group.
2. That in turn provides a slush fund that can be used for any number of other projects, including helping out Uncle Ernie and his family.
3. In the Democrat urban areas it helps the unions.
4. It provides "control" of the masses.
5. And most of all, it is raw socialism.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 05:16 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: bigred at June 13, 2011 05:16 AM (weBtw)
Posted by: Red Shirt at June 13, 2011 05:17 AM (FIDMq)
Say what you want about the "Robber Barons",
I prefer the term Captains of Industry, thank you very much.
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 05:17 AM (wuv1c)
The real "robber barons" created nothing but corruption. But the real ones are not the ones you see touted on TV as robber barons.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 05:18 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2011 05:18 AM (K2wpv)
Add in this: the bus system is already up and running, the train plan would take years of costs before the first rider is on board.
It's a time value of money thing, which of course means nothing to Zero.
Trains and Windmills - how come the Progressive idea of "Progress" is stuck in the 1850's?
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2011 05:19 AM (T1boi)
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Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 05:22 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: weew at June 13, 2011 05:22 AM (l8YWh)
"It's a time value of money thing, which of course means nothing to Zero."
Hey, he is way sharp on profits and earnings ratios. He did go to Harvard after all. You know anyone that went to Harvard is wicked smart. Just ask them.
Posted by: Sub-tard at June 13, 2011 05:23 AM (Q5+Og)
Like I said ride them if you wish, but they can't co-exist safely with cars. There has to be an alternative, exactly what I dunno.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 13, 2011 05:23 AM (ud5dN)
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 05:23 AM (wuv1c)
We should all be roller blading to work anyway.
Roller blading, Segways, biking...everything that doesn't use evil fossil fuels.
SKorea: NKorea may have miniaturized nuke warhead
/Just some more "In the end, there will be only chaos" news.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at June 13, 2011 05:23 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 09:22 AM (wuv1c)
Oh God, I remember those! I fell off one once and whacked my head good and proper on the pavement. OUCH.
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 05:24 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: weew at June 13, 2011 09:22 AM (l8YWh)
To leftists, union jobs are the only ones that matter.
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 05:25 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2011 05:29 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Iran at June 13, 2011 05:30 AM (NtTkA)
Posted by: Biden corruption coalition at June 13, 2011 05:30 AM (0fzsA)
Like I said ride them if you wish, but they can't co-exist safely with cars. There has to be an alternative, exactly what I dunno."
If you can't safely drive with pedestrians and bicycles in the street, then you shouldn't be driving. Every person on a bike is one less car in traffic in front of you and one less parking space being taken up at your destination. Get all the smug environmentalists on bikes and you'll NEVER LOSE ANOTHER PARKING SPACE TO ONE OF THOSE BASTARDS IN A PRIUS AGAIN!
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 05:31 AM (ijjAe)
especially when the bicyclists blow through stop signs and stop lights because they don't want to lose their momentum. 'Share the Road' my ass. How about "Share the Rules"?
Near my house there are bike lanes on some roads, but they happen to be in 'the hood' so instead the bicyclists insist on using parallel roads that are too narrow in spots (due to bone-headed 'traffic calming' bumpouts).
Posted by: negentropy at June 13, 2011 05:32 AM (27KAF)
Like I said ride them if you wish, but they can't co-exist safely with cars. There has to be an alternative, exactly what I dunno.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 13, 2011 09:23 AM (ud5dN)
What I find so interesting is the arrogant attitude of the biker, "The road belongs to all of us." "It's my right". Well, stupid, if you lose a battle with a car, you really lose. I also know a quad who, on a bike path, hit a pile of leaves, flipped over the handle bars and landed helmet first on the raffi (the big rocks used to prevent erosion).
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2011 05:35 AM (wjpgN)
The Democrat party is just one huge soul-sucking, lying, control freak, graft functionary... with dick pics.
Posted by: Biden corruption coalition at June 13, 2011 05:35 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Sub-tard at June 13, 2011 05:39 AM (Q5+Og)
Posted by: Jean at June 13, 2011 05:41 AM (WkuV6)
Hipsters trying to pretend they are messengers? Oh Please hit them, no one likes those immature brats the ruin everything for everyday cyclists.
However I must add that at every single red light in Boston that I watch 3-4 cars blow through. Stop signs, turn signals, crosswalks, MEAN NOTHING if you're a gangster in a BMW or some dumb fuck drunk going to a sporting event in a big red truck or SUV. Sometimes it's impossible to cross the street during walk signs due to aggressive turning traffic because some genius at the transportation department decided that a coinciding green light wouldn't be a problem.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 05:41 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: Sayomara at June 13, 2011 05:42 AM (SkNKU)
People who live far outside the city could drive cars to a location where they stored their golf cart or bicycle. I would gladly go to a golf cart only for local travel as long as I didn't have to share the road with a 3 ton truck hauling garbage.
Of course they will NEVER do this because the eco-bots and the commies are really interested in the environment. They are interested in those things I laid out above, primarily taxes and control.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 05:42 AM (M9Ie6)
you'll never convince me that bikes DO NOT present a very clear hazard in traffic.
garrett is a biker, he's been pretty vocal on the subject about how certain bikers make the rest of the good bikers look bad.
I've found there are good and bad bikers. The good ones who obey the traffic laws, stop signs, and try to get as close to the side of the road when going uphill because they want to give cars space to speed up and pass them.
Then there are the dickholes who run stop signs, weave in and out of cars, or bike in the middle of the road.
I tend to judge the rules of the road based on this question:
Who would survive a collision?
If the answer is not you, then you better defer to the person who would. That hold true with car drives too. When i see an 18 wheeler in my lane, I don't veer towards him or honk my horn, I either slow down and get behind him or speed up and try to get in front of him.
I know there are written rules of the road, but there are also ther ules of physics, and bigger heavier objects win in collisions, every time.
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 05:43 AM (wuv1c)
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Posted by: Jean at June 13, 2011 05:43 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 05:44 AM (M9Ie6)
I recently experienced one of those arrogant cyclists. He was decked out in his spandex (festooned with faux sponsor logos) and insisted on riding in the street, despite the fact that a dedicated, paved bike path ran parallel to the street. Fine, you're a hardcore cyclist, I thought.
But when he started shouting angrily at people who passed him, I realized that certain cyclists are incurable douchebags who really do endanger themselves. This was in Lake Mary, FL, so I doubt it was Charles Johnson.
oh and high speed rail sucks.
Posted by: weew at June 13, 2011 05:45 AM (l8YWh)
Posted by: PaleRider at June 13, 2011 05:45 AM (FYUWS)
A bit of history; The Hudson River Railroad was the first "high-speed railroad" in the US, built in the late 1840s to what was then exacting standards and designed to compete with the steamships and barges on its' namesake river, which could sail only duing the warm months. It had some unique locomotives designed for fast running, and could reach speeds approaching sixty miles an hour, with fare only around three dollars.
It lost money steadily until the Vanderbilts acquired it in the 1860s.
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Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 09:41 AM (ijjAe)
Jesus, tell me about it.
(You can tell I'm serious because of the blasphemy)
That is the precise reason I WILL NOT drive in Boston. The last time I had to go to Logan I just took a bus from Concord, NH. The last time I actually had to DRIVE to Boston, I encountered every kind of awful driving imaginable. No one paid any attention to red lights, especially at traffic circles (rotaries, whatever you want to call them). One car in front of me in bumper-to-bumper traffic decided to start backing up for some idiotic reason. I was so gobsmacked by the stupid that I almost didn't think to honk the damn horn before it hit my car. And don't get me started on the cyclists.
I'm a history buff, so I love the historical aspects of Boston. But you could not pay me to ever go there again of my own volition.
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 05:47 AM (4df7R)
Gas taxes don't even come close to paying for road maintenance. Most of it is paid for by property taxes. Bikes/motorcycles/scooters also don't cause any damage to streets. It's everything over 2.5 tons which really does a number on asphalt.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 05:47 AM (ijjAe)
Ack! The blog suddenly expanded like Michael Moore's waistline.
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 05:48 AM (4df7R)
But when he started shouting angrily at people who passed him, I realized that certain cyclists are incurable douchebags who really do endanger themselves.
Here is what I do when I get a douchebag biker, or pedestrian for that matter. As you are passing them, hold down your windshield wiper spray lever. You'll inevitably get them fairly wet, and there is nothing they can do as they can't catch you.
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 05:48 AM (wuv1c)
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Posted by: Jean at June 13, 2011 05:52 AM (WkuV6)
Same reasons that make a car more convenient make a bus more convenient. Changing a train route costs a fortune. Changing a bus route costs a bench and a sign. Buses are easier to maintain and go along with traffic.
Many train fans will tell you how awesome it is that trains don't slow down for traffic jams, but in my experience (In Austin, where Cap Metro has trains and buses) the trains are slow anyway, and also interfere with traffic by forcing lots of RR crossings to drop.
And damn is a train system super expensive. That's the real point. It's an avenue for corruption. Especially if you know in advance where the stations will be, and buy lots of land in the area (which often are soon developed).
Buses are the answer. If you REALLY need to get there at 300 mph or faster, use an airplane. It's not like high speed trains wouldn't have the TSA too.
Posted by: Dustin at June 13, 2011 05:54 AM (Q3nWV)
The worst is during sporting events. A million drunken idiots drive into the city and decide that the 45mph they are used to driving on highway width roads in suburbia is perfectly fine on narrow city streets. The concept of one way streets is alien to them. Parking restrictions what parking restrictions?
Resident Only Parking?
"What's that? What do you mean I can't park here FUCK YOU!"
-You wouldn't like it if I parked in your driveway would you?
"No...uuuh Fuuuuck you GOOOO REDSOOOX WOOOOOOhhh"
*tow truck arrives*
*5 hours later*
"But OFFICER MY CAR WAS PARKED RIGHT HERE!"
-You have a sticker?
"No...but"
-Tough shit, should have paid for parking.
Dumb fuckers keep parking in AMBULANCE ONLY ZONES at elderly housing complexes and hospitals. Honestly what is wrong with these people?
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 05:54 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: Samuel L. Jackson at June 13, 2011 05:55 AM (B9H/R)
Mitt has that, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." vibe in extra strength, IMO.
Posted by: The Hammer at June 13, 2011 05:57 AM (PER0T)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2011 05:57 AM (/Gi/y)
I bet OBlahBlah dosn't give us half the Halp New Orleans got and we don't efn want it stay the hell away dumbo.
Posted by: Concealed Kerry at June 13, 2011 05:58 AM (vXqv3)
Posted by: dagny at June 13, 2011 05:59 AM (/Gi/y)
There's also a few choke points in the freight system which the Feds could easily make a large loan to Norfolk Southern to rebuild and more than be repaid upon completion. But I guess trains that will have 2 people on them are more important than allowing 200 car bi-level freight trains, which carry a few thousand tractor-trailers worth of cargo each, be able to go anywhere in the country.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 05:59 AM (ijjAe)
Driving in boston does mystefy and stupefy the tourists, but it's really easy.
There is one rule:
Never, ever make eye contact with another driver.
If you make eye contact, they will take it as a sign that they can cut you off or go first or whatever, no matter what the circumstances would otherwise prescribe.
And be sure to look near other drivers' eyes, so that if they make the same mistake, you can cut their ass off, too.
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2011 06:00 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Jean at June 13, 2011 06:00 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 13, 2011 06:01 AM (NtTkA)
Posted by: Marybel at June 13, 2011 06:03 AM (Hic+o)
Boston is one of the worst places in the world. Why every business in the state wants to be as close to it as possible is beyond me.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 13, 2011 06:03 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: hutch1200 at June 13, 2011 06:03 AM (FV03B)
Yeah, I'd agree with that. Of the cities we've lived in or visited, Boston was the worst for big city traffic (exascerbated by the ridiculous traffic circles) and Minneapolis was the best.
LA drivers are, by in large, actually pretty polite on the freeways about letting you in. The hazard there are the motorcycle gangs and the illegals.
Houston drivers are fine except in parking lots during the summer heat.
Chicago had become much less pleasant for driving in the 2000s compared to the 90s.
Rural drivers are pretty annoying, too, particularly when it comes to them pulling out in front of you at low speeds when it's completely unnecessary.
Posted by: Purity internet warrior at June 13, 2011 06:04 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Jean at June 13, 2011 06:04 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:06 AM (TFxd0)
In Charleston everyone does that, even trucks unloading. You have to be very careful turning into some of those narrow one way streets. Half the time there is a huge truck sitting in the middle of the road unloading. No room to get around him so you will be stuck until he finishes unloading unless you want to try backing up to get around on another block.
Of course then you will be going the wrong way on a one way street. Look out cops here I come.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 06:07 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Jean at June 13, 2011 06:07 AM (WkuV6)
I can attest to both, though frankly I'm tempted to call Minneapolis a 'city by courtesy', on account of how it feels like a lot of mid-sized communities situated near a central business district and some gloriously half-hearted sports teams. Twenty years ago I had no problem with the idea or act of wandering around downtown on foot, which is good the number of times I got lost after Thanksgiving getting back to school. (Accidental traditions are the best!)
No idea if it's the same now, but it wouldn't surprise me terribly.
Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord© at June 13, 2011 06:07 AM (GBXon)
Actually, I'm not a speeder.
Rural drivers, or small town drivers from rural areas, consistently pull out in front of other cars even when there are no cars behind that car for as far as the eye can see.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:08 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 06:08 AM (wuv1c)
The worst is during sporting events. A million drunken idiots drive into the city and decide that the 45mph they are used to driving on highway width roads in suburbia is perfectly fine on narrow city streets.
And when you say "narrow city streets" you are talking about BOSTON narrow, which is damn narrow even by other major city standards!
The concept of one way streets is alien to them.
The one way streets in Boston are, I must admit, a maze that even the most cautious out-of-town driver get lost in without any intentional malice. But I can only imagine how awful it must be when you have a bunch of drunken idiots driving wherever they want with no regard for how damn stupid they're being.
Parking restrictions what parking restrictions?
HAH! THIS one sounds so completely like what happened to an acquaintance back in college, it's eerie. (He was the idiot who parked illegally, so he got very little sympathy from me.)
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 06:09 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Jean at June 13, 2011 06:11 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at June 13, 2011 06:12 AM (RJ+Yj)
Mitt has that, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." vibe in extra strength, IMO.
Then you better go move to that ashram because I've got news for you --- they all have that same vibe (and vice). In the entire history of the human race there has never been a leader whose response to some problem or another was ... Sorry, nothing I can do, better solve it yourself.
I take that back. There was a guy named Bernie Epton, a liberal Republican who ran for Mayor of Chicago in 1983 but lost. At some campaign debate he was asked by a black woman who obnoxiousness was exceeded only by her girth: "What are you going to do about our children dropping out of school?''
In response, Epton committed the proto Kinsley gaffe: "Nothing. That is not the job of the mayor of Chicago. Keeping your kids in school is your responsibility."
Posted by: Occam's lather at June 13, 2011 06:12 AM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 13, 2011 06:12 AM (9Ecto)
Posted by: irongrampa at June 13, 2011 06:13 AM (ud5dN)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:13 AM (TFxd0)
The only older city I have driven through and not had too much of a problem was NYC, but I stayed on the freeways.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 06:13 AM (M9Ie6)
Rural drivers, or small town drivers from rural areas, consistently pull out in front of other cars even when there are no cars behind that car for as far as the eye can see.
Animals do that. Cats, chipmunks, whatever. It's weird.
Posted by: Truman North at June 13, 2011 06:14 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: hutch1200 at June 13, 2011 06:14 AM (FV03B)
Soon we will all be able to walk out of our egg crate government housing and jump on a blazing fast 45 mph train to commute to our government job. Government cheese and bread offices will be conveniently located between our housing complex and the train station, making errands easy (aside from the lines). When I get a hold of some bad government cheese, I can stop by the government healthcare office and make an appointment for sometime in the next 3-6 months to get my government issued bottle union-made bismuth liquid (none of that evil corporate Pepto in our socialist utopia!)
Then we can all aspire to the dream that one day, if we can obtain the necessary permit, we can have a child who will marry into a Nomenklatura family and be able to retire to a dacha outside the city.
Yay!
Posted by: Damiano at June 13, 2011 06:14 AM (3nrx7)
I think it's time to get rid of right on red. The phenomenon you describe is far too common. Often it's that the moron behind you hasn't read the signs (and the turn is not permitted) or they are in a tall vehicle with better visibility than you have and they decide it's safe for you to go.
And, of course, there is now the rolling right on red and the dreaded late night left on red!
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:15 AM (TFxd0)
It used to be a pretty conservative area when I was there. I heard though that the libtards had taken it over now.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 06:16 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 13, 2011 06:16 AM (WRtsc)
Yay!
Posted by: Damiano at June 13, 2011 10:14 AM (3nrx7)
We agree
Posted by: Equality 7-2521 at June 13, 2011 06:17 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Dang at June 13, 2011 06:17 AM (TXKVh)
The ONLY reason we're here is The Committee decided living close to our kids was fitting, after retirement.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 13, 2011 06:17 AM (ud5dN)
No, I don't mean regular Harley riders, weekend or otherwise. I mean the gangs of folks who drive on the freeways at ultra-fast speeds zipping in and out of traffic. We encountered that several times coming back from LAX. I can't remember what it's called, but it's apparently some sort of phenomenon. Sort of like a flash mob on motorcycles. Their intent is to surround the traffic, not pass through it. They pop wheelies and whatnot.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:17 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: hutch1200 at June 13, 2011 06:18 AM (FV03B)
You get a lot of that in Phoenix, too. I always attributed it to the combo of wrinklies and spring break and college students.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:19 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 06:19 AM (M9Ie6)
I know, because taking that many tractor-trailers off the road wouldn't do anything to lower shipping costs, travel time, gas consumption, road wear, and traffic.
I hate CSX in Massachusetts for refusing to operate a real freight railroad. Lots of industrial customers on abandoned ROWs because CSX can't be bothered to go after customers or maintain track. Some times of day the highways around Boston are clogged with trucks because of this crap.
Now the wonderful leadership at city hall and the statehouse are doing everything they can to kill off the last of the rail yards in Boston and rail access to the port. I'm sure that'll just make traffic even better and improve logistics for industries....yep
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 06:19 AM (ijjAe)
Yeah, I think it was that way in CA, too. I vaguely remember that from the drivers test.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:20 AM (TFxd0)
I mean the gangs of folks who drive on the freeways at ultra-fast speeds zipping in and out of traffic.=y-knot
Those are called SQUIDS! Everybody including Mennonites hate those pricks.
Posted by: hutch1200 at June 13, 2011 06:20 AM (FV03B)
Posted by: Berserker at June 13, 2011 06:20 AM (mUSYR)
Sounds like Austin drivers.Either stoned or tweaking... not many normals out on the road.
Posted by: Chariots of Toast at June 13, 2011 06:22 AM (XyjRQ)
Yeah, I guess that's them. I didn't know what they were called, but they scared the shit out of me.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:22 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Honey Badger at June 13, 2011 06:23 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Y-not
Yeah, they are everywhere. They slow the car traffic on a freeway so there's lots of open space ahead for their little friends to zip around all the lanes like it's their personal playground. Sometimes the playground turns into a meat grinder.
Posted by: Dang at June 13, 2011 06:24 AM (TXKVh)
Studded tires or zip tires around your tires work. internally geared hubs, chain cases, drum/disc brakes/iron oxide brake pads handle crappy weather fine. Clothing is the big deal in the winter time. Just like on motorcycles it's easy to freeze or get wind burn. Overdressing isn't possible since you're trying to avoid sweat. Cold weather also kills batteries in lighting if one doesn't have generator powered lights. Winter darkness + no lanes for refuge + no lights = someone is going to hit you from behind.
I don't get how so many people ride in the Twin Cities. It's freaking cold in Boston, but up there brrrrr......
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 06:24 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: irongrampa at June 13, 2011 06:25 AM (ud5dN)
How abot a 30" wide motorcycle only lane? The worst Triumph 2200cc bike gets 40 mpg. A decent used, $2500 jap 750, will do an easy 85 mpg. Toss in a tax rebate for bikes under 1200cc and see what shakes out.
But, as my lib buddy who also rides, explains why it will never pass. "Riding is fun...it'll never pass".
Knocking skanks up is fun too, but we reward that shit!
Posted by: hutch1200 at June 13, 2011 06:25 AM (FV03B)
She got a ticket.
I mean, wtf? That's crazy.
Of course, she made the mistake of explaining to the judge (or "judge") that she was going 5 mph over the speed limit, but I have to say that I think it's ridiculous she got a speeding ticket. And that cop should be reprimanded for pulling someone over under those circumstances.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:26 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 06:26 AM (4df7R)
It should also be noted that I make a point of watching for cyclists--don't agree that they need to be in the midst of motor traffic, but I refuse to do anything to further endanger them.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 13, 2011 06:27 AM (ud5dN)
Put your emergency flashers on and sit. She would have passed into oncoming traffic through a red light, hit an old lady with a walker in the crosswalk, thrown a Dunkin' Donuts cup at a veteran in a wheelchair on the sidewalk, then illegally parked in an ambulance only parking zone, of course at a 45 degree angle with half her car blocking a travel/bike lane, before exiting to buy cigarettes and scratch tickets with her EBT card. Or at least I see that a few times a week here.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 06:30 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: bigred at June 13, 2011 06:30 AM (weBtw)
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 06:30 AM (4df7R)
Heh. I've always said that if a Houston driver runs you off the road, it's because they intended to. If an Austin driver runs you off the road, it's because they had their head up their ass.
Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 13, 2011 06:31 AM (5d6vv)
Posted by: Honey Badger at June 13, 2011 06:32 AM (GvYeG)
I have been 140 mph on a Honda 750 (4 cyl model)
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 06:32 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 10:30 AM (ijjAe)
And that's Auntie Zetuni on a GOOD day.
(And then she'd get in her car and come up to NH to buy liquor, cuz it's cheaper here)
Posted by: MWR at June 13, 2011 06:32 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Honey Badger at June 13, 2011 06:32 AM (GvYeG)
Heh. Libs hate cars for allowing the proles to come and go as they please. The taxes and union featherbedding and everything else is nice, but the control is ultimately what they seek. Motorcycles are at least as bad for the same reasons (plus the part where they blow away the always-handy "you're raping Gaia" argument).
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2011 06:33 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: irongrampa at June 13, 2011 06:34 AM (ud5dN)
btw my brother will not be happy w/ this thread, he loves himself the high-speed rail and facts that show it's failure be damned
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 06:35 AM (UzBwz)
Motorcycles and scooters under a certain engine size are allowed in bike/bus lanes in Boston/Cambridge/Brookline/Newton/Somerville. Becoming quite popular in the warmer months. Lanes are a min of 4'-0", usually 5'-0". Got to watch for right hooks from turning vehicles not merging into the lanes before turning though. Hard to do since no one here uses turn signals.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 06:35 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: hutch1200 at June 13, 2011 06:35 AM (FV03B)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 10:34 AM (TFxd0)
I can't elaborate, I unblocked the site because I realized I needed to see what their cooky commenters views on the news was and alas I clicked a Headlines comment section that made me remember why I despise them so
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 06:36 AM (UzBwz)
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 06:37 AM (UzBwz)
This is why we can't have nice things. Because politicians are some of the stupidest people to walk the planet. They need to have what Europe has without looking at WHY Europe has it and WHY we don't. Here's a hint, you imbeciles: It's because Europe is small and the US is huge. And despite having high-speed rail, it's still faster to drive between most cities.
Posted by: FPW at June 13, 2011 06:37 AM (TV27A)
That was back in my young and stupid days. It wasn't even my bike and it was on the Nimitz freeway heading out of Oakland.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 06:38 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: hutch1200 at June 13, 2011 06:39 AM (FV03B)
I assume the John Ziegler article in the headlines with 110+ comments. Yeah, I skip those. And the "science" ones. And the Romney ones. And the Christie ones. And the...
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:40 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 13, 2011 06:41 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 13, 2011 06:42 AM (IdEqt)
No that mpg thing was for your 85 mpg. I had seen it as 85 mph initially. I really did do 140 mpH on that old Honda. (It wasn't stock btw).
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 06:42 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2011 06:43 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 13, 2011 06:44 AM (WRtsc)
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 13, 2011 10:42 AM (IdEqt)
he did until the playoffs, it's still Wade's team and Lebron is just another player in it. but the big 3 got to the Finals, hopefully they'll learn from this and I have confidence they'll be back.
sorry the Heat hatred doesn't get to me, a great season is a great season and we'll be back whether the Lebron haters want us to or not.
congrats to Dirk but fuck Cuban and Terry.
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 06:44 AM (UzBwz)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 13, 2011 06:44 AM (+EWJm)
Posted by: hutch1200 at June 13, 2011 06:45 AM (FV03B)
Little help here.
A moral dilemma--just acquired another handgun. The lawn also needs mowing.
So do I proof test the weapon in the interests of safety, or improve the curb appeal of the house (in accordance with the Committee's wishes)?
Posted by: irongrampa at June 13, 2011 06:46 AM (ud5dN)
If you get stopped anywhere in the South do NOT get out of the car. The cops WILL go for their gun.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 06:46 AM (M9Ie6)
I'll have to check them out more regularly (I only go there following links now).
I like Hot Air's layout, especially as a news site.
Basicallly, I'm down to Ace, NRO Corner (RINO!!!!), Hot Air, and Althouse (ok, so sue me - I scan her for the pop culture stuff). Jawa and Blackfive haven't been holding my attention much lately, but I check the former daily.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:46 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 13, 2011 10:44 AM (WRtsc)
yeah, it really makes me fear the future of the country if even our own side has that kind of stupidity flowing like that
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2011 10:43 AM (tqwMN)
I just can't sop. I've blacked it, and everything but something tells me to go watch a train wreck
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 10:44 AM (TFxd0)
I am, WWE's been stale lately so i'll pass on it tonight
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 06:46 AM (UzBwz)
Apparently, Ayn Rand, is their greatest hero.
Posted by: blindside at June 13, 2011 06:47 AM (3Uns6)
New gun always comes first.
Posted by: Vic at June 13, 2011 06:47 AM (M9Ie6)
/obscure?
Posted by: Goove Champion at June 13, 2011 10:45 AM (ijjAe)
Isn't that "Never get out of the boat" from Apocalypse Now.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 13, 2011 06:47 AM (136wp)
Posted by: irongrampa at June 13, 2011 10:46 AM (ud5dN)
Tuck the gun in your shorts. Nobody wil notice the lawn!
Posted by: hutch1200 at June 13, 2011 06:48 AM (FV03B)
You always allude to the cult, and yet they rarely show up. If I counted the number of times you preemptively denounced the cult and the number of times they actually jacked a thread, I think the first number would be far larger than the latter.
It is not the cult that drags Palin into every thread.
Posted by: Sauron, LIVE! from the outer void at June 13, 2011 06:48 AM (agD4m)
Posted by: tmi3rd at June 13, 2011 10:47 AM (WRtsc
Proof test at the ppl bitching about your lawn!
Posted by: hutch1200 at June 13, 2011 06:49 AM (FV03B)
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 13, 2011 06:49 AM (IdEqt)
Now if they were going to build switchgrass fired steam trains, that would be a different matter!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 13, 2011 06:50 AM (yrGif)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:50 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: hutch1200 at June 13, 2011 06:50 AM (FV03B)
Posted by: Sauron, LIVE! from the outer void at June 13, 2011 10:48 AM (agD4m)
I was refering to a Hot Air Thread and the comments there that happen to be based on the cult (and yes i'll call it that).
and please don't get off about me being some you know who hater because i've mocked Hannity's mancrush on Newt, Hugh's mancrush on Romney, and the Huckster.
I'm an equal opportunity mocker and snarker.
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 06:51 AM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 10:50 AM (TFxd0)
i'm wondering though if CNN will fuck it up like their YouTube debate from 08. remember that? questions on evolution and non-important stuff like that. it was a joke.
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 06:52 AM (UzBwz)
Looks like proof testing wins out. We still have some ballistics gel left, never shot at the stuff until the other day. Pretty neat, what a .44 cal round ball does. Now I understand why there were so many amputations in the Civil War.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 13, 2011 06:54 AM (ud5dN)
Well, that's a given.
I don't like that these things are called "debates" when they rarely (if ever?) are. They're more like the format to the Miss America question competition. A real debate would be much more interesting.
I really am annoyed with Mitt, because I'd like him to be a viable option, but he keeps shooting himself in the foot.
But Pawlenty rubs me the wrong way. He has a permanent smirk on his face. I hate it and it makes it hard to envision him as CiC.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 06:55 AM (TFxd0)
High-speed rail is 45 mph as per the article. You'd have to figure out what 90 mph was called first ;-)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2011 06:55 AM (tqwMN)
With deepest apologies to Rudyard Kipling
Train-Geld
It is always a temptation to an unionized minority
To call upon taxpayers and to say: --
"We demand massive public works projects--we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you build us tracks to go away."
And that is called asking for Train-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Train-geld
And then you'll get rid of our refrain!
It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy public,
To puff and look important and to say: --
"Though we know we should allow free markets reign, we have not the will to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."
And that is called paying the Train-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Train-geld
You never get rid of the Train.
It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any group,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --
"We never pay any-one Train-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!"
Posted by: Warthog Kipling at June 13, 2011 06:55 AM (WDySP)
CNN Debate Questions For Tonight:
1. What Are Your Views On Global Warming?
2. What Are Your Views On Homosexuality?
3. What Are Your Views On Evolution?
4. How Do You Feel About Muslims?
5. Would You Throw Grandma Off The Cliff Like Paul Ryan Plans To?
6. Is The President A Good Man?
7. How Would You Help Union Familes?
8. Did Paul Revere Use Bells Or Lanterns?
9. Why Do You Hate Black People?
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 06:55 AM (UzBwz)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 10:55 AM (TFxd0)
at this point no one gets me excited primary wise, i'm still waiting for someone to jump in. if the field stays as is, which is highly doubtful, I have a hard decision to make.
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 06:57 AM (UzBwz)
Posted by: YRM's Bro at June 13, 2011 06:59 AM (UzBwz)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2011 06:59 AM (HMdeP)
Driving 55 mph in the passing lane: Pennsylvania or Delaware plates...almost without fail
Driving in the passing lane at exactly the same speed as the car in the other lane: Ditto
When trying to make a left turn at an intersection (when they have the green light), failing to drive out into the middle of the intersection so the 500 cars behind who want to go straight cannot pass: Yup
What you mean my EZ-pass doesn't work? Indeed
I thought EZ Pass Only means I can pay cash in this lane.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 13, 2011 06:59 AM (agD4m)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2011 07:00 AM (HMdeP)
Posted by: stuiec at June 13, 2011 11:00 AM (HMdeP)
hey! I liked that movie (i'm probably the only guy who does)
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 07:01 AM (UzBwz)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 13, 2011 07:01 AM (+EWJm)
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 07:03 AM (UzBwz)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 13, 2011 11:03 AM (eOXTH)
or we could add on an Ace mega movie review
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 07:05 AM (UzBwz)
Posted by: YRM's Bro at June 13, 2011 10:59 AM (UzBwz)
Since Europe has trains and socialism, I see no further need for discussion on the topic.
Posted by: Barky O at June 13, 2011 07:06 AM (yrGif)
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 07:07 AM (UzBwz)
For most areas, large bike lanes are overkill. Just a decent sized shoulder on the road is welcome.
On topic, I'm very happy Gov Scott shot down the proposed high speed rail here in FL. It amuses me to hear my coworkers bitching about it.
Posted by: Edray at June 13, 2011 07:07 AM (Qi4CH)
Posted by: d_fitz at June 13, 2011 07:08 AM (EZxp6)
Jeez, John Ziegler is now sayin Palin can't win in 2012.
I put the link up in the sidebar.
When you've lost a guy who made a movie about you then you've got some problems.
Several of his criticisms have been made by others, but it's different hearing it come from him since he's been her biggest defender since 2008
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 07:08 AM (wuv1c)
A veritable Paul Revere you are, what with "the Palinistas are coming! The Palinistas are coming!" all the time.
There's how many here? Three or four? Not exactly a ravening horde and, by the time they usually show up, the four or five not-Palinistas have already steered the thread off into LaLa land.
You want to worry about a horde? Wait til the Paultards get their shit together.
Posted by: Sauron, LIVE! from the outer void at June 13, 2011 07:09 AM (agD4m)
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 11:08 AM (wuv1c)
Jesus Ben, I tried to get away from this conversation when talking about it earlier!
Palin fans to start claiming Ziegler is just unhappy Palin didn't give him a job in 3..2..1..
really, they think that
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 07:10 AM (UzBwz)
Super 8=boring and cliche
discuss
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 11:08 AMSaw it Friday. It sucked.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 13, 2011 07:10 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 07:10 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 13, 2011 11:10 AM (FkKjr)
have no idea why it's gotten so many good reviews
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 07:11 AM (UzBwz)
Liberal logic-part 2: We must "invest" in government run high speed rail because we can get it up and running in no time flat.
Hmmmm.
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 13, 2011 07:11 AM (yrGif)
Regrettably, Hot Air still wins. Drudge is not that useful -- too much clutter and no summaries. I appreciate the summaries and quotes pulled at Hot Air even if sometimes they quotes are designed merely to drive traffic.
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Posted by: Anthony Weiner at June 13, 2011 07:12 AM (Txl/u)
Posted by: rEVOLution! at June 13, 2011 07:13 AM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 11:08 AM (wuv1c)
Jesus Ben, I tried to get away from this conversation when talking about it earlier!
Palin fans to start claiming Ziegler is just unhappy Palin didn't give him a job in 3..2..1..
really, they think that
ha! sorry, I stepped away to do some work, then checked a few sites for sidebar stories. I missed the who snafu in the comments.
I just saw it as a fairly damning article considering Ziegler is essentially Fan #1 of Palin.
I like her a lot, but at this point she's not ever carrying people who like her and she's alienating some people, I will be honest and include myself in this category, with her continuing "will she or won't she" schtick.
She needs to shit, or get off the pot at this point.
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 07:14 AM (wuv1c)
here's my movie review
Super 8=boring and cliche
discuss.
Concur. You left out trite and hackneyed. Only worth seeing at home for the special effects. Otherwise, waste of time.
Posted by: Chariots of Toast at June 13, 2011 07:14 AM (XyjRQ)
I wonder what proportion of the time it takes to get a new oil field up and running has anything to do with actually getting it up and running, and how much of the time is directly related to all the liberal bullshit hoops one has to jump through.
Posted by: Sauron, LIVE! from the outer void at June 13, 2011 07:14 AM (agD4m)
Just like we provoke Muslims by not becoming Muslim. QED.
Posted by: Jack at June 13, 2011 07:15 AM (kCT7A)
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 11:14 AM (wuv1c)
yeah but her biggest fans are claiming Ziegler is just jeleous he didn't get a job. these people would prob drink the kool-aid w/ her if she asked them to.
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 07:16 AM (UzBwz)
DOOM gets replaced by all Weiner all the time, I adapt, join in, follow and now there's no DOOM and no Weiner news?
All the internet was like a giant "Where's Weiner" book and Ace had the magnifying glass pointing to the Weiner on every page. Hope he's sleeping in.
Everyone have a good day.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 13, 2011 07:17 AM (GKQDR)
Concur. You left out trite and hackneyed. Only worth seeing at home for the special effects. Otherwise, waste of time.
haven't seen it, but they've done a good job marketing it. It looks appealing in the trailers and I get that 1980s-1990s Speilberg feel when i see the trailer.
But the reviews have been pretty bad.
Maybe Speilberg outsourced it to his mexican cousin Steven Speilbergo who is still trying to recover from his last cinematic debacle A Burns for All Seasons.
Posted by: Ben at June 13, 2011 07:17 AM (wuv1c)
*************************************************
Yeah, the bad guys were white and worked for the eeeeeevil Military.
The only clued in adult was the magical Black Man.
Who saw that comin'?
Posted by: Chariots of Toast at June 13, 2011 07:17 AM (XyjRQ)
Some moron in the Kahleeforneeha legislature is proposing that cars give 3 feet clearance to bicycles even if the bikes are in bike lanes... even if they have to cross the center line to maintain the 3 feet.
These people get elected because they are smarter than the rest of us. Ask their online GF's.
Posted by: torabora at June 13, 2011 09:00 AM (GXsNq)
They did that this last year here in CO. Idiots.
Posted by: tangonine at June 13, 2011 07:21 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Sauron, LIVE! from the outer void at June 13, 2011 11:14 AM (agD4m)
What's that you say?Shell Oil Company has announced it must scrap efforts to drill for oil this summer in the Arctic Ocean off the northern coast of Alaska. The decision comes following a ruling by the EPAÂ’s Environmental Appeals Board to withhold critical air permits. The move has angered some in Congress and triggered a flurry of legislation aimed at stripping the EPA of its oil drilling oversight.
Shell has spent five years and nearly $4 billion dollars on plans to explore for oil in the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas. The leases alone cost $2.2 billion.
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 13, 2011 07:21 AM (yrGif)
Posted by: Gov. David Patterson at June 13, 2011 07:22 AM (4Kl5M)
Who saw that comin'?
I sure didn't.
Posted by: Gov. David Patterson at June 13, 2011 11:22 AM (4Kl5M)
you must admit it fits the narrative!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 13, 2011 07:23 AM (yrGif)
Posted by: John Coffey at June 13, 2011 07:25 AM (4Kl5M)
how 'bout : "fake but true"
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 13, 2011 07:28 AM (yrGif)
Some moron in the Kahleeforneeha legislature is proposing that cars give 3 feet clearance to bicycles even if the bikes are in bike lanes... even if they have to cross the center line to maintain the 3 feet.
Austin passed that ordinance. Of course, they love the bicycles, hate the cars. I believe it also includes pedestrians and wheelchairs, although I'm not sure why they would be in the street.
Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 13, 2011 07:36 AM (5d6vv)
Someone asked you on the other thread if you thought Perry would resign if he entered the race.
What do you think?
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 07:37 AM (TFxd0)
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Posted by: Lawrence of the Labia at June 13, 2011 07:31 AM (vqLRv)
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Oh, I almost forgot: Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-hah!
Posted by: Master Fritz, Zen Guru at June 13, 2011 07:43 AM (GwPRU)
That's stupid. Every other state with 3 foot passing laws, it only applied when a bicycle is riding in traffic and not in a designated lane. Defeats the purpose of lanes!
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 07:43 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at June 13, 2011 07:47 AM (vA9ld)
Members of the unwashed proletariat have the option of riding in government sponsored HSR with all the amenities, or purchasing the much maligned Chevrolet Volt. There are no exceptions to the rule, and it will be rigorously enforced by the Sheriff Joe Biden.
Democrat voters call Jamie Gorlick for the unmentioned exceptions.
Posted by: Barack Obama, awaiting my statue in Rio at June 13, 2011 07:47 AM (cwFVA)
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 13, 2011 11:35 AM (IdEqt)
You know Pride and Prejudice and Zombies? It's kinda like that, in the sense that somebody took a coming-of-age movie set in the late 70's and tacked on a human-eating alien we are supposed to sympathize and fear at the same time.
The boy and girl who were the main stars were okay, but the rest of the kids were hyper-annoying. Every five seconds the alien smacks something metal to make you jump in your seat because there was a loud unexpected noise.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 13, 2011 07:47 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: Jean at June 13, 2011 07:53 AM (WkuV6)
Thank heavens Schwinn got bankrupted out of Chicago by the UAW.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 07:53 AM (ijjAe)
Little help here.
A moral dilemma--just acquired another handgun. The lawn also needs mowing.
So do I proof test the weapon in the interests of safety, or improve the curb appeal of the house (in accordance with the Committee's wishes)?
The solution is obvious. Shoot the lawnmower.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 13, 2011 07:54 AM (8rHXV)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at June 13, 2011 07:54 AM (ijjAe)
Apparently, the Department of Transportation wants Iowa to help pay for a high-speed rail line from Iowa City to Chicago.
No no no, we don't want the rail to go at high speeds. The trains will fall off!
Posted by: The folks in Iowa City and Chicago at June 13, 2011 07:55 AM (2X8VA)
Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2011 07:57 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord© at June 13, 2011 08:00 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2011 08:04 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 13, 2011 08:04 AM (IdEqt)
Someone asked you on the other thread if you thought Perry would resign if he entered the race.
What do you think?
I don't think he will. Bush didn't resign until he was president-elect. There's really no need for the gov to resign when the legislature is not in session. Since our legislature meets only in odd numbered years, Perry's got plenty of time to campaign before he has to decide to resign or not.
Posted by: mpurinTexas supports Rick Perry, bitch at June 13, 2011 08:05 AM (5d6vv)
yeah but her biggest fans are claiming Ziegler is
just jeleous he didn't get a job.
Posted by: YRM (Great Season Heat, Now Go Canucks) at June 13, 2011 11:16 AM (UzBwz)
Maybe he is frustrated by not getting a job and probably thinks that he could have managed her situation better. But he seems to think that (a) her resignation was inevitable and necessary for herself, her family and Alaska and (b) disqualifies her from the presidency at this time.
I defend Sarah Palin any chance I get because she doesn't deserve any of the crap that's been thrown at her, but I read Ziegler's piece as fair and correct. And, honestly, I think that she'd have a big place in politics if people weren't so afraid that she'll run again and are thus constantly trying to destroy her.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 13, 2011 08:05 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Jean at June 13, 2011 08:09 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Big Tony Weiner at June 13, 2011 08:11 AM (ZrS0c)
Uh, yeah.
We have "high-speed rail" here in Jax. Three whole miles of it.
It connects the public bus hub and the commuity college on one side of the river and the $500k+ condos on the other side of the river. It costs 35 cents to ride it and is a very, very popular attraction for the school kids who take field trips to ride on it.
It was, and continues to be, such a waste of taxpayer money that no politician dare to take on the fact that an extension into nearby neaighborhoods would actually make it useful. So, it just loops its little useless 3 mile journey, day in and day out: A tribute to wasteful and short-sighted pork.
Oh, and forget shutting it down. To do so would require payback to the federal government of about $90M so we continue to operate it at a considerable loss.
Let's not forget, whether you live here or not, YOUR taxpayer money funded it as well....all twenty-plus years of failure of it.
Posted by: Clueless at June 13, 2011 08:11 AM (LyOUH)
So Weiner won't resign, Obama calls Weiner's lies and cheating "a distraction" and won't make any further comment. So - It's ok to cheat and lie as a a congress-person? I guess politics trumps honesty on the left.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 13, 2011 08:12 AM (0fzsA)
I guess politics trumps honesty on the left.
You guess? You don't actually have any doubts about that fact do you?
Posted by: Clueless at June 13, 2011 08:14 AM (LyOUH)
Due to ability to lie and push back on the questioner, I now declare that when someone is caught lying and tries to to shame the one questioning said lie, to be referred to as:
pulling a weiner
Posted by: elspeth at June 13, 2011 08:16 AM (0AkWH)
Posted by: ranger117 at June 13, 2011 08:17 AM (Ynkmx)
Post paritisan politics, unicorn sightings, Recovery Summer, the rise of High Speed Rail.
Which of these is more likely to occur in your lifetime?
[trick question, ans. - none of the above]
Posted by: chuck in st paul at June 13, 2011 08:22 AM (EhYdw)
So Weiner won't resign, Obama calls Weiner's lies and cheating "a distraction" and won't make any further comment. So - It's ok to cheat and lie as a a congress-person? I guess politics trumps honesty on the left.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 13, 2011 12:12 PM (0fzsA)
Lemon, I agree that this is a "dis" word, but I think the right word is disgrace NOT distraction.
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 13, 2011 08:23 AM (yrGif)
Posted by: Mr Pink at June 13, 2011 12:04 PM (IdEqt)
Us Steeler fans hate you right back.
Posted by: tangonine at June 13, 2011 08:25 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2011 08:28 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: eaglewingz08 at June 13, 2011 08:37 AM (ktkHk)
Appendix A to Rules for Radicals
1. Cheat
2. Lie
3. Profit
Posted by: S. Alinskiy at June 13, 2011 08:53 AM (yrGif)
how the fuck are we not cattle?
Posted by: sifty at June 13, 2011 09:00 AM (2dbd9)
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Posted by: AmishDude at June 13, 2011 12:05 PM (T0NGe)
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I think that the path for her big place in politics ran through the Senate. Had she gone up against the Looloo Scruntmeister, she would have won. That would've carried her to 2016 should the unthinkable happen and Obama wins re-election.
There are reasons for not pursuing the Senate seat - I know a lot of folks said she'd be "wasted" in a legislative body when she is an executive at heart - but I still think that would have been her best road to the White House. She needs that type of experience, imho, and it would have erased the damage from her prematurely shortened governorship.
Posted by: Y-not at June 13, 2011 09:13 AM (TFxd0)
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