1 "what's ya got in your pant leg Joey?"

2 I see our bag full of ballots from Cook County finally made it

3 that last 3 percent sure is taking forever. I'm a little worried They must have worn out the machines counting em?

4 Gambling at Rick's?

5 I voted for Kloppenburg... twice

6 singing ::All we are saying... is give cheats a chance..

7 If Kloppenburg wins, her opponents should move on to a "recuse Kloppenburg" effort.

8 It's time for purple fingers.

9 She's doing it wrong.

10 What's the mathematical likelihood that all these elections with discovered ballots that need to be hand counted would always go to the dems?

11

They're grabbing all the people that were bus'd in  sleeping around the campusus and court buildings.

Get up and i'll buy ya some dope.

12 We can talk about fraud forever, but the truth is that the population is shifting with enormous influence for (R) candidates.

Just take Wisconsin as an example. In a remarkably good climate, a (R) governor won Wisconsin with 52% of the vote. In a slightly less favorable climate, the (R) judge either won or lost by a handful of votes.

In a Presidential election year with normal turnout, neither of these would be a contest. There was extremely low turnout in Milwaukee. With even 50% turnout in Milwaukee, the (D) wins easily.

The non-Hispanic white population in Wisconsin fell by 1.78% from 2008 to 2010. The corresponding share of the non-Hispanic white electorate fell by around 1.12%, because the minority population is much younger. There is no reason minority populations can't vote (R) but given recent elections, there is no reason to expect them to vote that way.

Obama won Wisconsin by over 400,000 votes in 2008 (out of about 3 million). Just given population changes, we would expect him to win 500,000 if the demographic groups broke the same way. They probably won't exactly but will it be enough to make up 500,000 votes? Nope.

Fraud is just a distraction. The future is about these changes. In 2008, the minority share of the electorate was about 25.5%. In 2012, 28%. In 2016, 31%. In 2020, 34%. This requires no additional immigration, just population aging.

13 I just made poopie again.

14 and we are going to keep counting until we win...

15 What's the mathematical likelihood that all these elections with discovered ballots that need to be hand counted would always go to the dems?

100%. Next question.

16 campuses

17 Humans are a sneaky, nasty species. No wonder the Galactic Federation has quarantined us.

18 Oh look, a "We are not only doomed today, but doomed forever because there will be more brown people every year" bore.

19 This is what happens when one party not only sees no problem with cheating but thinks they have a moral imperative to cheat if it's the only way to fight evil (which they are only capable of defining as "Republican").

20 If it is close enough to cheat, they'll cheat, and they'll win.  As soon as the preliminary numbers didn't have Prosser up by 3% or more, I knew it was a loss. 

It's so weird, right?  Only D votes get misplaced.  And undercounted.  And found in trunks.  They should be more careful!

21 #13 Again?  This makes once.  And you called for an early decision by 2-3%.

22 If we lose this by only ~1,000ish votes, that sucks, but Wisconsin was always an odd place to have the big anti-union war anyway. Wisconsin practically invented the public sector union and has been Progressive since time immemorial: If public sector unionism squeaks by in WI its doomed in all the other purplish to purplish-blue states. So yeah, WI is boned, but the rest of us, not so much. Except CA NY NJ and IL, all KGCLOTB.

23 It's amazing, I can tell which counties "host" the state universities just from the ballots.

Way to go Wisconsin!! /sarcasm needed?

24 Ann Alhouse says that if Kloppenberg wins, the Prosser should start an immediate recusal effort.

Given typical democrat vote fraud, I always expected Kloppenberg to win. I am shocked that it is even this close.

25 Holy shit, man...

I sink millions into this shithole cheese-dick state, and all I get is a veritable fucking TIE?!?!?!?

26 2010 was not a wave election, so that's twice.

27 I'll repeat a quote of Churchill that I previously posted. The best argument against Democracy is a five minute conversation with an average voter.

28 i know, someone Hit a light pole somewhere in the suburbs of Madison and lights were out for a while, the trucks with the ballots couldn't find their way to building c where they were to be counted, happens all the time.

29 #18

We are not 'doomed' because of brown people. I clearly said there is no reason that minority groups can't vote (R).

All this fraud talk though is about a relatively small amount of votes. Republicans have to convince minority voters to swing to them in order to be viable in future elections. If you would rather ignore that and swing at fraud windmills, good luck.

30 Ann Althouse voted enthusiastically for the JEF, so excuse me if I think her notion of getting Kloppenderfuhrer to recuse herself has a chance in hell of actually happening.

31 Ya know, we could always just pass this things again, right????

32 12 We can talk about fraud forever, but the truth is that the population is shifting with enormous influence for (R) candidates.

Just take Wisconsin as an example. In a remarkably good climate, a (R) governor won Wisconsin with 52% of the vote. In a slightly less favorable climate, the (R) judge either won or lost by a handful of votes.

In a Presidential election year with normal turnout, neither of these would be a contest. There was extremely low turnout in Milwaukee. With even 50% turnout in Milwaukee, the (D) wins easily.

The non-Hispanic white population in Wisconsin fell by 1.78% from 2008 to 2010. The corresponding share of the non-Hispanic white electorate fell by around 1.12%, because the minority population is much younger. There is no reason minority populations can't vote (R) but given recent elections, there is no reason to expect them to vote that way.

Obama won Wisconsin by over 400,000 votes in 2008 (out of about 3 million). Just given population changes, we would expect him to win 500,000 if the demographic groups broke the same way. They probably won't exactly but will it be enough to make up 500,000 votes? Nope.

Fraud is just a distraction. The future is about these changes. In 2008, the minority share of the electorate was about 25.5%. In 2012, 28%. In 2016, 31%. In 2020, 34%. This requires no additional immigration, just population aging.

Posted by: Paper at April 06, 2011 11:05 AM (VoSja)

 

so the current majority will be overwhelmed by the current minorities sometime in the next several years or so?

two words: civil war

and if you think i'm hyper-ventilating, check your history books when these things happen there is always a war.

33 so there was a 1200 vote swing?

34 Has there ever been a close modern election where the Republican candidate gained more votes during a recount?  I can't think of any. 

35 Oh no, we may have lost a statewide vote in Wisconsin by a few hundred votes! The Republican Party is doomed! Doomed I tell you!

36 What we are really seeing is a schism where the USA divides into two nations. Politically this has already happened. Next, will be physically. The two tribes simply can not live under the same roof.

37

The Magical Ballot Fairy comes through for the Democrats in yet another close election?

The deuce you say!

38

#34

NY-25.

39 Much as how we can't rely on the MBM to give Americans a straight story, we can't afford to win elections only within the MoF.

40

two words: civil war

and if you think i'm hyper-ventilating, check your history books when these things happen there is always a war.

Posted by: Shoey at April 06, 2011 11:10 AM (473WA)

I've been feeling uneasy about that prospect for a very long time.

41 smile guys it took millions of Union dollars and cheating for Klopp to get this far . Now if we could just repeat this spending of Dem Union funds in a few states. we can weaken their chances of screwing with 2012 elections.

42

In NY25 the initial total put the Dem ahead enough for the AP to call it, only to be forced to backtrack on that.

Also last night they "overcounted" 10,000 votes in Dane county.

I will laugh myself silly if they have another overcount- and a correction puts Prosser back in the lead. If they botch stealing this one, muhahahahaha...

43 Klopp up by 361.

44 She's down to being +311.

45

Klopp up by 361.

360 skittles and one unicorn.

46 #29 You see me swinging at fraud windmills? No you don't.  Just seems sort of weird to read about demographic trends *oh woe is us* in the midst of reading returns in a 0.04% election.  Save that shit for another thread, maybe.

Actually, tilting at the fraud windmill might just make some sense in a race with a winning margin of less than a 1,000 out of 1.5 million votes cast.  Sure as heck seems a lot more relevant then Professor Pedantic's lecture on long term demographic trends.

47

#44

where are you getting that number? AP site is slow as usual..

48 44 She's down to being +311.

Shit, I shouldn't drink this early...

49 smile guys it took millions of Union dollars and cheating for Klopp to get this far .

Strange how they have millions for an election but not one dime for their benefits....

50 The nice thing about living in a banana republic?  Plenty of bananas.

51 This isn't about the Wisconsin election. It is about the 2012 Presidential election to me; the one that really matters.

Losing that election means:
1. Losing the ability to stop Obamacare
2. Losing the battle on the budget
3. Losing any responsible conclusion to Afghanistan and Iraq
4. Losing the general character and form of US public policy for a more 'social democratic' model of government.

52 http://elections.todaystmj4.com/G8801.htm

There ya go, CAC

53 Tami, yes it is.

54 http://is.gd/0D1qbO

55

So Prosser is up 800 with 1% left to count and now she's up 350?

That's a pretty big shift considering 1% is about 14,500 votes.

Either way there will be a recount. Even in Prosser ends up ahead. There has to be after that 10,000 vote miscount last night.

Unfortunately we always lose recounts, the only hope I have is Darth Space Khan Reince Prebius will utilitze RNC money to fight during the recount as this is his home state.

56 50 The nice thing about living in a banana republic?  Plenty of bananas.

No shit? I'm so fucking there...

57

The minor fluctuations are probably absentees in the precincts already reported.

5 still outstanding with K up only 311.

according to the liberal swing state project, 3 of those 5 are Prosser precincts.

according to another source at HHR, only Juneu is a K district.

either scenario could leave Prosser barely on top ahead of a recount.

58 Shit, I shouldn't drink this early...

Posted by: Eric in Chicago

 

Wait one. You stopped at some point? After the rickety roller coaster ride last night, I saw no reason to interrupt the drinking.

59 By the way, for those who wanted the Honey Badger Flaming Skull-- I actually avoided updates because, seriously, I didn't want to *jinx* anything. I was seriously worried about that. I wanted the Honey Badger, and if Prosser had been up by 3000 this morning I would have dared the jinx. but, alas, he wasn't.

60 OH MY GOD DAD, I CAN'T FIT ONE MORE SINGLE LINCOLN LOG IN MY ASS! MY GOD, WAKE UP! I'M ALREADY STUFFED FULL! PLEASE MAKE PROJECT ANUS TOWER STOP!!!

61 #51 So post it on the next thread dealing with, oh I don't know, that election or something. 

Fuckin A, the worst thing about losing these minor races is that it brings out all the Professors of Doom to tell us all the other ways we are well and truly screwed.

62
We're going to win this election fair and square, no matter the cost.

63 The nice thing about living in a banana republic?  Plenty of bananas.

No shit? I'm so fucking there...

Posted by: King Kong

 

Typical. Use me and leave me.

64 58 Shit, I shouldn't drink this early...

Posted by: Eric in Chicago

 

Wait one. You stopped at some point? After the rickety roller coaster ride last night, I saw no reason to interrupt the drinking.

Posted by: Blue Hen

Had to hydrate and drop some Immodium....

65 We lost a statewide vote in the hearland of LaFollette Progressivism by <1,000 votes on 1.5 million cast. Gee, Obama will wipe the floor in right-to-work VA and historically Republican Ohio because of this!

66 I'M NOT BIG ENOUGH TO PLEASE A WOMAN. MY GOD, GET A SEX CHANGE!

67 ALL IS NOT WELL!!!!

68 If the GOP lead is within 2,000 votes anymore, I just assume the Democrats will get it eventually. They always do.

69 I actually avoided updates because, seriously, I didn't want to *jinx* anything. I was seriously worried about that.

I wanted the Honey Badger, and if Prosser had been up by 3000 this morning I would have dared the jinx.

but, alas, he wasn't.

Posted by: ace

 

Good call. Guardianship of the flaming posts is an awesome responsibility.

70 So are the vote counts lagging the precinct counts, or are the precinct counts lagging the vote counts?

71 If I make any more poopy my skin is gonna turn inside out.

72 63 The nice thing about living in a banana republic?  Plenty of bananas.

No shit? I'm so fucking there...

Posted by: King Kong

 

Typical. Use me and leave me.

Posted by: Fay Wray (in dire need of reconstructive gynocology)

You white chicks have always been too high-maintenance.

PS - That was goddamn funny my ape-tits are still shakin

73

Wait one. You stopped at some point? After the rickety roller coaster ride last night, I saw no reason to interrupt the drinking.

Posted by: Blue Hen

Had to hydrate and drop some Immodium....

Posted by: King Kong

Amateur. i don't monkey around when I drink.

74 I was hoping to wake up and this would all be over....oh, well.

..Refresh, Refresh, Refresh...

75 Let this be a lesson.  If we lose the bankroll war in 2012, Emperor Hussein probably wins another term, warts and all.

76

#61

Ok. I get that, but here is how my mind works.

Let's say Prosser wins this election and Walker gets all he wants. How long does it take before it goes right back to how it was? 2012? 2016? This is just my concern. The underlying numbers seem more relevant in battling for the fiscal solvency of Wisconsin (or the nation) than a single election.

77 If the dems and unions pull out ALL the stops and can only win by less than 500 votes in the home state of the progressive movement --> sea change.

Hey dems, you're Bob Dylan's Mister Jones.

78 I believe we were outspent in 2010.  Am I wrong?

79 I was hoping to wake up and this would all be over....oh, well.

..Refresh, Refresh, Refresh...

Posted by: Devilish

You poor fool. Don't you realize that you haven't yet awoken? You're living a dream, nay, a nightmare. And it (and this frigin'election) will continue forever and ever....and ever......

80 PLEASE, SOMEONE GET ME SOME IMMODIUM ADD. My ass is just hyper, hyper active this morning. I think I see blood! MY ASS IS LITEALLY ON THE LINE HERE PEOPLE!

81 77 If the dems and unions pull out ALL the stops and can only win by less than 500 votes in the home state of the progressive movement --> sea change.

Hey dems, you're Bob Dylan's Mister Jones.

Thank you! That'll be 15%, please.

82 THE NUMBERS AREN'T THERE, FOLKS.

Posted by: Greg

but the caps certainly are.

 

P.S. Remember thou art a conservative. Remember thou art a conservative

83 THE NUMBERS AREN'T THERE, FOLKS.

Posted by: Greg at April 06, 2011 11:23 AM (A0Q4i)

Never stopped the Democrats

84 heck, we should just Fake the Dems out with Hyperbole on our side, Every Race will mean the end of the world for them. tee hee

85 I can't figure out why Greg keeps screaming at us about his flaming rectum.  What, CVS is out of Preparation-H?

86 They just updated my link...

Only TWO votes added, total????

87 Can't Walker just pass it again and be done with this nonsense?

88 Please do not cut-n-paste the concern troll

89 The reason late returns from urban areas always favor (D)emocrats is that they have to know how many they need to count.

90

_{You poor fool. Don't you realize that you haven't yet awoken? You're living a dream, nay, a nightmare. And it (and this frigin'election) will continue forever and ever....and ever......}

_{Posted by: Blue Hen}

Damn you, Leonardo DiCaprio! What dream level are we on?!?

91 87 Can't Walker just pass it again and be done with this nonsense?

No shit, dude.

92

#86

Ground sloths were hired by the last governor.

93 In fairness to the process, I see that Milwaukee County is one of those with late reporting precincts. Milwaukee has the largest population, and favors Democrats.

I'm not ruling out shady dealings -- that seems par for the course -- I'm just saying there's a credible reason to believe the late reporting is actually going towards Kloppenburg.

94 And the big pause over night is 100% for the D. 

95 Only TWO votes added, total????

Posted by: Eric in Chicago

that was gramma and grampa Anfonson, they've been gone  for a few years , but  they begged for us to help the unions.

96

#95

Actually willow looks like they voted for Prosser.

Good to have the dead on OUR side for once.

97 95, o hell don't ruin my shtick!

98 One would think the dead would be inherently old-school conservative.  Why are we letting the Democrats disenfranchise our voters?

99

Ok. grampa Anfornosn was kicked out of the Union for ratting out Hoffas kid shooting at eagles .

o whatever. hush.

100 Please do not cut-n-paste the concern troll

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth

 

Sorry about that. No flaming whips please.

101 96

#95

Actually willow looks like they voted for Prosser.

Good to have the dead on OUR side for once.

Friggin amateurs need to learn how to use the deceased!

102 OT:  From The Daily Caller

Two mainstream news organizations are receiving hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars from Obamacare’s Early Retiree Reinsurance Program (ERRP) — a $5 billion grant program that’s doling out cash to companies, states and labor unions in what the Obama administration considers an effort to pay for health insurance for early retirees. The Washington Post Company raked in $573,217 in taxpayer subsidies and CBS Corporation secured $722,388 worth of Americans’ money.

“It is fine with me if they continue covering the ObamaCare debate,” said Rep. Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee, in an e-mail to The Daily Caller. “When NBC used to cover energy issues, they identified themselves as a subsidiary of General Electric. CBS and Washington Post just have to disclose that they are subsidiaries of the Obama Administration.”

http://tinyurl.com/44s78b4

103

You guys are gonna be real pissed when this all comes coming back to you and hurts us and the GOP

don't get mad, i'm just a conservative like you, really I am, even though I get happy over losses

104 wish youze guys would let me know BEFORE i chat smack.

105

#103

Well apparently the real greg has a serious bowel condition.

106 Win some, lose some. But losing mostly-blue WI (Obama 57% of 2-party preferred) by <1000/1.5 million? After being outspent by 100%? Darn, might as well move to New Zealand.

107 104 wish youze guys would let me know BEFORE i chat smack.

I prefer smacking chat....or was that smacking carpet????

108 And with 1 millionth of the vote still outstanding, the Democrat, after trailing the entire day surges into the lead after receiving 110% of the vote in the final holdout district.  The fact that this is statistically impossible is immaterial.

109 Governor Walker: Voter ID law. Pronto. End the fraud before the next vote. This election proves that the Dems were wrong about their "vast majority.". The recall elections are doomed. Especially with a Voter ID law preventing fraud.

110 Ooops, wrong thread....

111

Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2011 11:33 AM (JEVge)

I think I hate Greg more then even Christoph

112
So the citizens of Wisconsin vote against they best interest by a small margin.  The new and improved Wisconsin Supreme's invalidate the law, and 1500+ unionized workers join the unemployment line.

Without a doubt, the citizens will bitch and moan about the lack of services after the layoffs, and will continue living in the liberal blue fart cloud of denial.

They will moan it's that mean bastard Walker and his criminals in the State House that screwed the citizens of Wisconsin. 

The great unwashed of Wisconsin came to the fork in the road, and took it!

113 Well, Juneau is in.  That leaves 4.

Pro-Prosser - 1 Jefferson, 1 Taylor, (2 Milwaukee?)

114 It seems the far far far left districts ALWAYS report late.

115 114 It seems the far far far left districts ALWAYS report late.

You just NOW figured that out???

116

#113

apparantly Prosser GAINED in the finals with Juneau tallied.

he trails by 263 votes left.

117 wait- now trailing by 240.

118 Joanne Kloppenburg   739,557
David Prosser (inc)       739,317

119

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at April 06, 2011 11:35 AM (ZHsNw)

think it's only WI? this shit will happen everywhere if we don't learn from this; this country is boned with this problem of millions wanting their gumbit crack even though the gumbit is broke

120 114 It seems the far far far left districts ALWAYS report late.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at April 06, 2011 11:35 AM (Er/am)

That way the know how much to cook the books.

121 Taylor in now - Only Milwaukee(2) and Jefferson left - he's gonna pull this off...

122

he trails by 263 votes left.

Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2011 11:37 AM (JEVge)

I still think there's a lag. If you're watching close you're probably getting the precinct count updated and then the votes 5 or 10 minutes later. ... should give us a heads up to what votes are coming in. And if I'm wrong, we can spend all day furiously clicking refresh in vain hope of the AP adding a few more to Prosser.

123

#121

Don't be too cocky but if the districts left in Milwaukee are indeed the Republican ones there is a good chance he ends up ith about a 30-100 vote lead.

 

Before the vans start leaving kinkos of course.

124 Prosser now behind 234

125

#106

This is why people who can't seem to understand the numbers shouldn't comment on them. This election was like a midterm election, meaning low turnout among minority voters, young voters, etc.

If just Milwaukee had turned out anything like a normal Presidential election cycle, there would have no race at all.

I want Prosser to win. I gave money. I don't live in Wisconsin. But again, I want our gains to actually mean something over the long-term.

126 Make that 224.

Goddamned vodka goggles

127 117 wait- now trailing by 240.
Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2011 11:38 AM (JEVge)

I guess I'm being all Eeyore, but we know which way it will break. Liberal-leaning Milwaukee County will be the end of it. The final difference will not be a couple hundred, but a couple thousand.

128 If those outstanding Milwaukee votes are from R precincts, I hope they've got a bitter-clinger escort by now.

129 Every fucking time.  What are the fucking odds?  Seriously,  where's a mathematician to define the fucking odds that in EVERY election that's close,  with the republican leading,  that the final votes counted would tip the election to the democrats.

Fucking scum.

130 This is like watching a Steelers game, trying to come from behind in the last fucking seconds.

131 127 117 wait- now trailing by 240.
Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2011 11:38 AM (JEVge)

I guess I'm being all Eeyore, but we know which way it will break. Liberal-leaning Milwaukee County will be the end of it. The final difference will not be a couple hundred, but a couple thousand.
Posted by: JoeInMD

We may indeed lose this, Joe, but to lose by less than a few hundred out of 1,500,000 million votes cast in a state that has been only slightly less libtard than the Bay Area is pretty fucking sea-changing.

132

"Court Race May Come Down to the Town of Lake Mills (Updated)
Randy Radtke
Managing Editor

With fewer than 200 votes separating incumbent Supreme Court Justice David Prosser and his challenger assistant attorney general JoAnne Kloppenburg, the election outcome could be affected by the Town of Lake Mills where all the votes have not yet been counted.

Because of problems with its tally seats, the township has not officially reported any vote tallies as of yet to Jefferson County and that means that between 700 and 760 votes have not been entered in the statewide totals for a seat on the stateÂ’s highest court."

 

If this is the case... Lake Mills is a red town. (pulled from HHR)

133

@ 121

Greg, what a pathethic joke, why don't we ban him already? not for being a dick or disagreeing w/ us, but the fact he runs around claiming to be conservative while laughing it up when we stumble. He cheers the unions on while claiming he's conservative and doesn't want them to win. He cheered on some close loses back in the Nov. elections even though he claimed he didn't want the Dems to win. He got mad as we cheered on the 63 seats gained in the House, even though he claimed he was w/ the GOP. He's a liar, he won't even stand up and tell us who he really is. Ban him

134

#131

(sigh)...I give up.

135

This is like watching a Steelers game

Posted by: Devilish

 

Hey now. You didn't have to start talking dirty

136

"The two tribes simply can not live under the same roof."

Particularly when one of the tribes has to pay the freight for both of the tribes.

And it does seem that whenever there are questions about uncounted/misplaced votes, the drill somehow morphs into: Count until the Democrat wins, then call the election over.

137 I hope the GOP was smart enough to have lawyers observing and investigating all this.

138

Posted by: Paper at April 06, 2011 11:41 AM (VoSja)

but this is no normal off-year election here, the unions made sure to get their people out (and frankly they did so as well back in Nov and made some races closer then the polls said and helped out Reid). I'm w/ you on the minority problem but it doesn't apply to WI, it's more of a union problem and unlike minorities they have no chance in Hell of changing their voting patterns. They just want their gumbit crack.

139 132
"Court Race May Come Down to the Town of Lake Mills (Updated)
If this is the case... Lake Mills is a red town. (pulled from HHR)Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2011 11:45 AM (JEVge)

Nice little town you got here ... it'd be a pity if somethin' was to happen to it ...

140 131. THANK YOU, Eric See, people who don't live swathed in blue don't understand - the fact that this blue, blue state, with all the unions going crazy . . . the fact that the very Dem votes of WI made this a nailbiter is A VERY GOOD THING. regardless of the WI SC which I honestly don't care about, this is a clear demonstration of the waning power of public sector unions, even in the friendliest possible venue - this should have been a cakewalk for them!

141

If this is the case... Lake Mills is a red town. (pulled from HHR)

Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2011 11:45 AM (JEVge)

But 700 is a small number.  Is it very very red?

142 Just as I predicted.  In close elections, Democrats cheat.  Always.

143 Paper.

Your comment about turnout in this election is so far off it's not funny. I *live* in WI and voted yesterday.  Turnout was *huuuge*.  As big as the election last november in my district at least.  My friend had a bigger turnout in his district than the last presidential election.  HUGE turnout, especially for a spring election.

144

#138

Part of that is true, but there were only 1.5 million votes in this election. There were 2.9 million in the Presidential election in 2008 in Wisconsin. The lowest turnout areas and demographics were strongly (D). Milwaukee in particular had very, very low turnout.

This is a strong sign that the Republicans in Wisconsin are doing an amazing job. Their strongly motivated base in now equal to the (D) base, and we should be really proud that happened in a state like Wisconsin. That said, it doesn't mean that we should look for Wisconsin to swing (R) in a Presidential election anytime soon.

 

145 "The two tribes simply can not live under the same roof."

This has been my feeling for a few years. We're arguing over two extremely incompatible views of the world.  I just don't see how a split happens.  Well, happens in anything resembling a civil fashion.  I can see the riots when the humans refuse to quit feeding the vampires.

146

We often read stories about people who did not vote in election X finding out months after the election that they indeed "voted".  Couldn't Prosser's people or Swing State Project put out some call to urge conservative people in very liberal districts to find out today if their non-voting relatives/neighbors voted, so that the fraud can be unmasked today rather than months down the road?

147

#143

You don't know what you are talking about. 1.5 million votes for this election. 3 million for the last Presidential election in Wisconsin.

I'm using verifiable facts; you are using you and your friend's experiences at the poll.

148 The nation needs a voter ID law. End the fraud.

149 also can we finally please stop the whole Dems are just like us narrative? these people will try and steal elections, cause class victimization, race victimization, and sex victimization to get their votes. Then while in power spend us into trillions of debt and when the country shouts "stop, we don't have the money anymore!" they just shrug their shoulders and spend more. sorry, this party has become a mass criminal organization; are the Reps perfect? hell no they aren't, just look at 2005-2008 but they sure aren't anything like the Democrats. From the 1830s and on, this party has always been on the wrong side of History and only caused headaches from the country. The Dem party must be fought by us, our children, our grandkids, and so on because there always will be that gumbit crack mentality.

150

#146

Swing State Project is a liberal group.

Their data though is good. They really pride themselves on accuracy even if it means their side is losing a race.

But don't expect them to organize for the conservatives.

151 142
Just as I predicted.  In close elections, Democrats cheat.  Always.
Posted by: Harry Reid at April 06, 2011 11:51 AM (ihSHD)

Why limit their cheating to close races? To keep up their game, they ought to cheat in all races, close or not. That way, when an occasional close race comes up, they've got a full arsenal of tried and tested tricks to draw upon.

/sarc (while conceding that there's probably too much truth in it)

152 140 131. THANK YOU, Eric

See, people who don't live swathed in blue don't understand - the fact that this blue, blue state, with all the unions going crazy . . . the fact that the very Dem votes of WI made this a nailbiter is A VERY GOOD THING.

Absolutely! If Jim Edgar had come out of retirement to run against Rahm in the Chicago mayoral, and had only gotten 45% of the vote, I'd have beeen a champagne-drinkin fool,

153 The key is to appeal to conservatives to do some digging for non-voters who "voted" in the most liberal of districts, because that is where the fraud-mongers will be the most brazen.

154 151. It's completely true in Philadelphia. The Black vote in North and West Philadelphia is a good deal fictional, consistently, so no one will question it and the voters are on the rolls every time.

155 via Legal Insurrection: voter fraud in Milwaukee county in 2004
"MPD report an indictment of MilwaukeeÂ’s election day incompetence"
http://badgerblogger.com/?p=6637

156

When there's more of us

Than there is a them

Democracy works without a hitch.

But, when there's more of them

Than there is a us

Democracy sure can be a bitch!

dedicated to Harry Greed

157 148
The nation needs a voter ID law. End the fraud.
Posted by: Muckdog at April 06, 2011 11:55 AM (I3r4O)

As much as I agree with the sentiment, such laws need to be enacted at the states'; level. Tenth amendment and all that.

158

Posted by: Paper at April 06, 2011 11:53 AM (VoSja)

wow looking at the numbers I can see your point, numbers don't lie I always say and I use numbers when debating why the right is right (no pun intended) most of the time. I disagree on WI not going red in a Presidential cycle anytime soon, though because of it's History I would say the Dems will have the advantage there come 2012. The state almost voted for Dubya in 00 and in 04, and cases of Dems slashing Rep buses' tires showed up in the 04 election there. So they've almost gone red, but of course WI is not OH or FL and though it is a competitive state the fact is they have leaned blue since 1988, and trends are hard to break. (just ask the GOP about MN or the Dems about the Dakotas)

159

I think the folks in Wisconsin have done an amazing job, and they deserve an incredible amount of respect for what they have done.

The cesspool there though won't be cleaned in one or two election cycles, and with the other demographic changes, it is going to be a slog for a very long time.

160 Don't they stop counting once the Democrat gets ahead?

161 Get out of my way everyone, I've got counting to do!!!

162 THERE ARE TWO TURDS STEWING IN MY UNDIES.  REPEAT THERE ARE TWO TURDS STEWING IN MY UNDIES. NAP TIME IS OVER. 

163

As much as I agree with the sentiment, such laws need to be enacted at the states'; level. Tenth amendment and all that.

Except for federal elections, where the federal government obviously has an interest. Article 5, section 1 grants Congress that power; considering that they can "judge the elections, returns, and qualifications" of their own membership, it seems to me that they can enact a national voter ID law and forbid the seating of any representatives or senators from states that do not ensure the qualifications of its voters. This would also naturally apply to presidential elections as well as state and local elections because it's extremely unwieldy for a state to develop two different registration systems (one for state/local elections and one for federal elections).

164 paper - motivation and turnout matter.  The positions, alliances, and background needed to enthuse the minority percentage of the electorate may cost a candidate more then the potential gain amongst the majority. 

Additionally, the minority component of the electorate is not monolithic.  Imagine a Ryan/Rubio ticket.

165 These votes should be a nice proxy for any recall that goes forward.... were someone inclined to parse the numbers.

166 Somebody get Screaming Greg some Calamine lotion or something.

167 Except for federal elections, where the federal government obviously has an interest. Article 5, section 1 grants Congress that power; considering that they can "judge the elections, returns, and qualifications" of their own membership,


So what of a state that demanded, for instance, an original long form birth certificate before being listed as candidate for president?

168 168 Except for federal elections, where the federal government obviously has an interest. Article 5, section 1 grants Congress that power; considering that they can "judge the elections, returns, and qualifications" of their own membership,


So what of a state that demanded, for instance, an original long form birth certificate before being listed as candidate for president?

Posted by: ef at April 06, 2011 12:20 PM (c7Pp2)

 

foul! 15 yard penalty! for using logic in a "birther" arguement.

169 10 What's the mathematical likelihood that all these elections with discovered ballots that need to be hand counted would always go to the dems?

Posted by: taylork at April 06, 2011 11:04 AM (5wsU9)

The same chance that random elements combined over time to create a sentient species that is capable of sending spacecraft outside it's home solar system.

170 who am i?

i'm someone that predicted the november elections closer than most.  and i'm someone who's spelled out the plain old fact that the numbers don't work for prosser to get enough votes to win.

and, as usual, i'll be proven right.

171 Intentionally reducing peoples' belief that elections are fairly honest encourages the losers to act out violently.
Just sayin'.

172 who am i?

i'm someone that predicted the november elections closer than most.  and i'm someone who's spelled out the plain old fact that the numbers don't work for prosser to get enough votes to win.

and, as usual, i'll be proven right.

Posted by: Greg at April 06, 2011 12:30 PM (A0Q4i)

Good job predicting that a flaming liberal would win an election in the Birthplace of Progressivism.  I'm impressed.  Really.  How did such a kooky idea even occur to you, and how did you have the courage, the fortitude, to publicize this controversial concept?

173 who am i?

i'm someone who repeated other peoples' predictions ad nauseum, and then put a spin on them to proclaim that democrats getting thrashed nationwide as some sort of minor sound and fury-signifying nothing, and then later jacking off over a judicial race in Wisconsin like it owes me money and that the conservative agenda is dead again.

and, as usual, when the actual political consequences of this latest election in no way resemble my predictions, i will be nowhere to be found.. 

174 172 Intentionally reducing peoples' belief that elections are fairly honest encourages the losers to act out violently.
Just sayin'.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 06, 2011 12:33 PM (McG46)

Except that we know they are not fairly honest. See Coleman, Minnesota 2008. And every other election where ballots were 'discovered' that went for the liberal. Or races where the Democrats try to do things like suppress military ballots. 

Conservatives and Republicans are most often the losers of these races, and do not act out violently. The liberals will act out violently whether it was fair or not.  Just like a dog sniffing its own shit and eating its own vomit, that is what liberals do.

175 who am I?

i'm someone who acted as it getting ass-raped like Justin Bieber in a cell at Pelican Bay State Penitentiary in November was nothing more than a spliner, then suddenly had a divine orgasm when my party managed to SEIU it's way into a 200-out-of-2 million vote election.

176 Shocking.. I mean Shocking!!!

177 I think the Dems do very well in using their peoples' natural incompetence at running government functions (water, roads, garbage, DMV, counting election ballots) to mask the select few who are very, very good at organized ballot cheating.

178 who am i?

i am the dunce who claimed several thousand democrat elected officials getting taken out was not the biggest massacre since little big horn. 

179 Alright, now AP is report 1 precinct left, but no change in vote.

180 Alright, now AP is report 1 precinct left, but no change in vote.

Posted by: ef at April 06, 2011 12:51 PM (c7Pp2)

And it's ion Jefferson County which went for Prosser 58-42. This could end up separated by less than 50 votes. Amazing.

181

And it's ion Jefferson County which went for Prosser 58-42. This could end up separated by less than 50 votes. Amazing.

Posted by: Rocks at April 06, 2011 12:55 PM (Q1lie)

Not really.  The Dems didn't want to make it too obvious.

182

#165

This is a very good point, and there is a lot of truth in this. We'll get to see how this works out in 2012 a bit I imagine.

Obama's election though showed that mobilizing non-white voters can be a path to victory. He lost white voters by about 11.5 million votes and won non-white voters by about 21 million votes. McCain still received millions of votes from non-white voters, but the overall trend is powerful.

At this point, it looks like Obama will have at least a 21-23 million gap in non-white voters in the 2012 election. It could be much higher if turnout of young minority voters is high (especially Hispanics ages 18-25).

This is why someone like Rubio (or other candidates) could be so important in forming a narrative for Hispanics to vote (R).

183 i'm someone that predicted the november elections closer than most.  and i'm someone who's spelled out the plain old fact that the numbers don't work for prosser to get enough votes to win.

Posted by: Greg at April 06, 2011 12:30 PM (A0Q4i)


No, you're someone who consistently over-predicted the results from Democrats and only changes your position to being more reasonable when your previous one becomes absolutely untenable--you consistently predicted the Republicans wouldn't do as well in the House as they did.  You predicted Russ Feingold would win out in November.  You predicted Kloppenburg would win by 3%.

That's beside the fact you always spin every contest as a negative for Republicans, only play up defeats for Republicans, and only focus on contests where Republicans do badly (cf., again, the Russ Feingold race, which you consistently blabbed about but then suddenly shut up about for some reason when he tanked).

Even if you're not a moby, you're clearly a troll...though I'd lean towards moby.

184 And I'm the guy who told you there were no more votes in Milwaukee County, and there weren't.  The AP did a terrible job this election with their precinct info.

Scott Walker is now a 4 year lame duck because he didn't have the balls to pass  a photo ID law immediately after he took office.  Do you think there aren't 300-500 "votes" that would not have been cast for Kloppy if that law was in effect.  That's the reality of the situation.

185 Lake Mills, is allthat is left, being conservative say 700 votes - split 60/40 = + 140 for Prosser, not enough.

We need 700 votes, split better then 65/35 and/or higher turnout.

186 PLEASE MAKE PROJECT ANUS TOWER STOP!!! Posted by: Greg at April 06, 2011 11:18 AM (A0Q4i) I like Operation Butt Jenga. Poor Greg. I had no idea that's what the Log Cabin Republicans did.

187 For all of the lawyer heading to Lake Mills:

Town website (nice btw as these things go) and I guess the Fargo Mansion Inn is best hotel in town.

any morons nearby?

188 the fact that democrats always get more votes in a recount doesn't prove they cheat, there's an alternate hypothesis the venn diagram of subliterates too incompetent to fill out a ballot properly without hand counting to clarify their assorted mistakes, is almost entirely contained within the venn diagram of democrats basically they are either cheaters or stupid or both

189

Another thing to consider, there was more television advertising money spent promoting Prosser than opposing Prosser. We didn't lose that battle.

We are going to have a money advantage in 2012 as well most likely thanks to the Supreme Court overturning the CFR laws. It would be ironic if McCain turned out to be the Presidential candidate most hurt by his own law.

190 Imagine a Ryan/Rubio ticket. Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2011 12:15 PM (WkuV6) Poor Rubio is so sick of hearing his name bandied about as the VP when no one is running for president yet, that he just lied and said no way will he be on a 2012 ticket, even though the GOP convention will be in Tampa this year.

191 Geez, I'm woiking as fast as I can.  I'm gettin' overtime fer dis, right?  Phew!

192 there's only 220 overall votes in lake mills,lol.  won't even help cut the margin much at all, which matters for recount

193 It's $5 per ward for a recount, which should be fairly manageable on a state-wide basis, judging from the shitfit the libtards stand to thrown when they lose...

According to Ohio and Indiana, of course.

194 Even if she wins, Kloppenberg will have to recuse herself from all cases related to legislation passed during Walker's governorship.

195 197 It's $5 per ward for a recount, which should be fairly manageable on a state-wide basis, judging from the shitfit the libtards stand to thrown when they lose...

We gotcha covered, homies. :-)

And tell Greg to stop sucking Trumka's cock...

196

Per TMJ 4 (WI TV)

The race between Justice David Prosser and challenger JoAnne Kloppenburg was officially too close to call, but unofficially, JoAnne Kloppenburg has earned at least a 219-vote edge.

Jefferson County Clerk Barbara Cook told Newsradio 620 WTMJ that Prosser had received 366 votes in the final municipality to report, the Town of Lake Mills, while Kloppenburg had 364 votes, with 24 hand-written votes yet to be counted.

197 And here come the electioneering reports:

"A student at a Milwaukee school told WRTL Jesse Jackson came to the school on Monday and talked to students old enough to vote. Jackson told them to vote Kloppenburg. Buses were at the school to take them to a polling place to register and vote. Appalling!"

198 Vote totals went down on the last update???

199 AP says they are rechecking their unofficial count. Things could change a bit (there was that 10000 vote error already).

200 202 Vote totals went down on the last update???

I was about to ask the very same thing...

201 206-vote margin now...

202 205 206-vote margin now...

Shit, this thing won't be decided until after the fooking All-Star Break.

Just pass the fucking law again and be done with it, Scott.

203 Not to rain on everyone's Eeyore skulk-fest, but Doug Hoffmann gained surprisingly large amount on Owens when they did the recanvasing for that race.

204 Not to rain on everyone's Eeyore skulk-fest, but Doug Hoffmann gained surprisingly large amount on Owens when they did the recanvasing for that race.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 06, 2011 02:29 PM (bAySe)

It's all about the recount either way.

205 Greg is the stopped clock of political handicapping.

206 Now it's a 204 vote margin.
An hour ago, it was a 206 vote margin.

By God, Mr. French, ain't these some interestin times we livin' in?

207 All precincts in now according to the AP

208 Prosser loses by 204...100% reporting

Let's resurrect this thread in September, when this might finally be settled.

209 Difference of 0.01%. That would mean an automatic recount in most States.

210
Actually, its 0.0001%.

211 It works out to be 0.000137840

or 0.0137%

212 Errr...good catch! You passed my test.

213 Margin Of Fraud, bitches.

214 Seven words:  Republican planted fraud with conspiracy power grab.  'pubs will do anything for power. A N Y T H I N G. Including murder.

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