1 Oh right, like this is going to go anywhere.

2 “I regret that we have reached this point,” Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.), the chairman of the committee’s Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee and the GOP’s pointman on the Solyndra investigation, said Thursday. “At this point in time, I am not confident that we will have a good faith response from the White House without issuing a subpoena.”

Oh, but a subpoena, that will make them respond in good faith.

3 “At this point in time, I am not confident that we will have a good faith response from the White House without issuing a subpoena.”

I hate to tell you Mr.Stearns, but you're not going to get a "good faith" response from this White House WITH a subpoena either.

"Good faith" is a concept that is totally foreign to this administration.

4 Another RAAAAACIST Post!! I knew it!!! 

5 apparently, the 'green energy' was referring to the movement of cash from the taxpayer to the government to cronies and then back to the government.

a perpetual motion machine!

6

I'll get right on that.

*walks into office, door closes behind him*

*maniacal laughter erupts from inside office*

7 I would like to know who the construction company/ies were that built Solyndra's new factory.

8 Don't give me that confused look.  That there is RAAAAACIST!!  The raciest kind of racism.

9 No one tell Jonathan Alter

10 Most transparent regime EVAAAR!

11 Opaque is the new transparent.

12
Are these people for real?

They regret that it has gotten to this point?

I am so sick of this goddamm Ned Flanders party.

13 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

14
I hate to do this, but I have to subpoena you fine fellows. Please don't be maddily waddily.

Okily dokily?

15

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16

So clearly what he need is more wasteful "stimulus". It's what God would want.

I'm so sick of the godless SCOAMF invoking the Lord as if he actually read or believed in a word of scripture.

17 "100 investigations of stimulus-funded companies that have recovered $2.3 million"

SO, hundreds of people investigate and you recover $23,000 per investigation. And you've lent out Billions. Yep, that's the Fed.

18 Oh, but a subpoena, that will make them respond in good faith.

Well, probably not, but there's not much else Congress can do.  On the other hand, if they get a bunch of redacted documents like the Oversight Committee did with the F&F documents, they can (and probably will) hold DoJ and DoE in contempt of Congress.

Which won't do much either, but what else can they really do?  There really is no law for the lawless- especially when they're the government.

19

Yesterday, the Department of Energy's Inspector General testified before the committee about the massive waste and fraud Â…

[LA Times]Â….He added that the under-resourced department faced a series of logistical obstacles in delivering money to companies...

 

Hmmm....I detect the media spin: the waste was caused by not spending enough.

20 15
Nice.

21 I hope these stout-hearted Congressional investigators have a "Sternly Worded Letter" ready for when the White House gives their subpoena the finger.

Or maybe even (*gasp*) a "Non-binding Resolution" (*shudder*)

Sheesh!

22 Upton, Upton . . . now where have I heard that name before?!?! O RITE! That lameass lightbulb ban! That STILL hasn't been repealed! I trust not any of these bozos

23 I so look forward to the day, this bunch of Chicago gangsters are in a shower, bending over to pick up a bar of soap for Bernie Madoff.

24 NOBODY expects the Racist Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise....

25 He added that the under-resourced department faced a series of logistical obstacles in delivering money to companies such as Solyndra, which filed for bankruptcy in September after receiving a $528-million government loan.


Would those obstacles be the law?

26

Quick - Obama. Get out the shredder. Send sheriff Biden out to lie and spin! The media is happy to oblige in the cover-up and down-play.

27 He added that the under-resourced department faced a series of logistical obstacles in delivering money to companies such as Solyndra, which filed for bankruptcy in September after receiving a $528-million government loan.

hahahahaha, best excuse I ever heard of from a government turd. Make my department bigger and we'll get right on it.

What needs to happen is to fire him and his entire department and eliminate it.

28

If this subject is framed as Obama’s DOE making “investments” that just didn’t pan out, it will amount to nothing.

 

This needs to be attacked as Obama giving taxpayerÂ’s money to big corporations to enrich campaign contributors. 

 

Quick!  Search the republican data base and see if we have anyone with credibility fighting “Crony Capitalism”.

29 Today, it is our last resort

It damn well better not be your last resort because this administration is not going to comply in good faith with your subpoena.

30 diverse, complex, and often asymmetrical set of stakeholders

What the f***?

From now on all stakeholders must be symmetrical?
We are actually paying this idiot's salary. Enjoy.

31 And Solyndra CEO gets $456G severance package but no word on whether he ever said, "That dress looks really pretty on you," to get really pissed off about.

32
This info is a terrific read. Thanks for the info.I am looking forward for more updates. Commemorative Obama Food Stamps  Michelle Obama Travel Collectibles  Obama Oil Well Plug Kit    Obama doll with mini telepromter    Bush Recession commemorative plate   Obama admin action figures including David Plouffe sixty-nining David Axelrod
Obama killing Osama bin Laden commemorative plate

33 "Good faith" is a concept that is totally foreign to this administration.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 03, 2011 11:06 AM (OtQXp)

We abide by hopenchange, my son.

34 These would be the documents, like the recent haul of documents at Righthaven, the fed is protecting for us...Yeah, ok.

35
Sooooo-lyndra , oh oh
Sooooo-lyndra, oh oh oh oh
No wonder my happy heart sings
Your cash has given me wings

Sooooo-lyndra , oh oh

36 To Democrats, government = ATM.

37

I'm so sick of the godless SCOAMF invoking the Lord as if he actually read or believed in a word of scripture.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 03, 2011 11:13 AM (4df7R)

This.  Their problem is if they did, they'd have to deal with all that icky "Thou shalt not covet" and "Thou shalt not bear false witness" stuff. 

38 To Democrats, government = ATM.

As in a source of money or the recently discovered job-killing effect?

39 Harumph!

(But let's keep the door open so that we can do similar things for our supporters once we get back in power.)

Harumph!

40

To Democrats, government  Tax payers =  ATM.

fify.

41

Posted by: Joe Merkin at November 03, 2011 11:24 AM (G/zuv)

Okay, you had me going for a minute there.

42
They would have needed a search warrant before the documents were shredded in order to reach the truth of the matter.

43 Tax payers =  ATM.

That would be borrowed money. Even better.

44 But Herman Cain may have made a rude gesture 16 years ago!!!!!

45 And while all this crap is going on they are sneaking another "comprehensive immigration reform bill" through the House.  Obama wants it so it must be bad. Romney also supports it. But all they are talking about is "E-Verify". What else is in the damn bill? This article doesn't say.

Link to The Hill

46 Their problem is if they did, they'd have to deal with all that icky "Thou shalt not covet" and "Thou shalt not bear false witness" stuff. 

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2011 11:26 AM (DrWcr)

Well, that and the inevitable sudden spontaneous immolations.  But mostly the sudden spontaneous immolations.

47
or...

It's like Obama & Congress took out a credit card in Your name.

48 This post is making me uncomfortable.  I think I'm being sexually harassed.  I'm calling Gloria Allred.

49 Didn't Jesus once say, "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away" and since Obama is my g*d. Let him have his money.

50

OT

I was just sent this Newt clip from last year. I know his ship has sailed for many. Don't watch it if you don't want to be reminded that he is still the best thinker and speaker in the national GOP.

http://tinyurl.com/422e6s7 

 

51

Good thing those hard working democrats at Fannie and Freddie are walking away with millions as it sinks. Hey I know - pass Obama's "job's bill"--  Also known in the real world as -- tax hikes! That way even more of our hard earned private money can be wasted on this corrupt regime's schemes.

52 I have a plan, but we're gonna need some bigger socks.

53

To Democrats, government Tax payers = ATM.

fify.

They view government as the resource that dispenses money to them. Their only interest in the taxpayer is ensuring that the dispenser remains filled.  Which, conveniently for them, the ATM has the power of force to make that so.

 

54
megajoule is a fun word to say

55

28......Quick! Search the republican data base and see if we have anyone with credibility fighting “Crony Capitalism”.

Well, I would hope not, Jwest.....since the term 'Crony Capitalism' is a liberal construct designed to demonize Capitalism.

Sarah Palin should have her mouth washed out with soap for repeatedly using that phrase. ....Or maybe she has a problem with Capitalism, since she has a soft spot in her heart for her "union brothers and sisters" who are out there in the streets extolling the virtues of Communism.

 

 

56

“I regret that we have reached this point,” Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.),

 

This is why it isn't going anywhere.  They regret it's gotten this far.

57 MFM: This is a scandal free administration, because if there is a scandal we are free not to report it.

58 21 I hope these stout-hearted Congressional investigators have a "Sternly Worded Letter" ready for when the White House gives their subpoena the finger.

Or maybe even (*gasp*) a "Non-binding Resolution" (*shudder*)

Sheesh!

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 03, 2011 11:16 AM (OtQXp)

Once again I will bust out some Red Dwarf all up in the hizzy, because this quote is always apropos when talking about bureaucrats (and hippies):

Rimmer: The time for talking is over. Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit them hard and hit them fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.

59 It's like Obama & Congress took out a credit card in Your name.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 03, 2011 11:32 AM (G/zuv)

Good analogy....it's identify theft.

60 I am so sick of this goddamm Ned Flanders party.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 03, 2011 11:11 AM (G/zuv)

 

The Republican Party is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure, just like our idiot king, Obama.

61 This is a big fuckin' deal.

62
Okayly dokaly do!

63 Didn't Jesus once say, "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away" and since Obama is my g*d. Let him have his money.

Posted by: Jay Carney at November 03, 2011 11:33 AM (136wp)

So Carney found a copy of "Stuff Jesus Said while Impersonating Ben Franklin vol 6" ?

64 This is why it isn't going anywhere.  They regret it's gotten this far.

Nah.  They just have to say that.  They're really happy that they get to discredit this administration and finally let the American People in on what sordid jerks they are.

Yeah... no.  Even I couldn't keep a straight face there.  We're Flayed*.

*Per the AoSHQ Updated Style Guide, this is the term for "beyond boned."

65

Good analogy....it's identify theft.

Posted by: Tami at November 03, 2011 11:36 AM (X6akg)

I have no idea where that 'f' came from....I swear.

66 Posted by: Vic at November 03, 2011 11:31 AM (YdQQY)

Appears to be a straight-forward requirement for e-Verify use. It does apply preemption so that states will be unable to set their own requirements and penalties.

67
Son a gun diddaly-un!

Why must you force us to issue the darn-diddaly-yarn subpoenas?

68

 

69 If this isn't a scandal it's a ______________.

70 Wouldn't you rather discuss the black fella's libido?  No, the other black fella.

71 Didn't Jesus once say, "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away"

Actually, Mr. Carney, that was Job.  Who was not having a good day.

72

So Carney found a copy of "Stuff Jesus Said while Impersonating Ben Franklin vol 6" ?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 03, 2011 11:37 AM (0q2P7)

It was under his copy of, "Things Thomas Jefferson maybe said when he was drunk and kind of cranky, Volume II, Issue 3."

73 Now boys and girls all of you know it's still the libtards turn, we'll get our turn in 2016..........now hush before I take my belt off.

74

Posted by: dagny at November 03, 2011 11:39 AM (cAVkv)

If this isn't a scandal it's a space station!

75 With everything going wrong only the Republican party could lose to Obama.  Way to go guys.

76

“…the term 'Crony Capitalism' is a liberal construct designed to demonize Capitalism.”

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 03, 2011 11:34 AM (qqn3x)

 

IÂ’m conservative and IÂ’m against Crony Capitalism. 

 

If you donÂ’t recognize the value of a candidate having this position, I think you should stay out of political consulting.

77 err, privileged communications, privileged communications!!!!

78 Hullo 411?  Can you give me a good number for Sandypants Burger, stat?

79 70 Posted by: dagny at November 03, 2011 11:39 AM (cAVkv)     Ooh, mad libs.   If this isn't a scandal it's a SCOAMF.

80
brb, givin advice to Greece & Europe on economic stimulus

81
brb, gettin advice from Greece on how to increase our debt-to-GDP ratio

82 SOME FREEK ASKED ME IF I WAS GLAD KADAFFY WAS DEAD.  IDIOT, OF COURSE IM OVERJOYED HE'S DEAD - HE WAS A RICH, WHITE SHIT!

83 I would like to know who the construction company/ies were that built Solyndra's new factory. I was thinking the same thing. They need forensic accountants in there matching POs, fixed assets, goods in inventory, invoices, and checks. I said earlier that they should even take core samples of the concrete foundations to make sure it matches what was spec'd and paid for.

84 72 Didn't Jesus once say, "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away"

Actually, Mr. Carney, that was Job.  Who was not having a good day.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 03, 2011 11:40 AM (8y9MW)

God works in mysterious ways

85 “Sometimes, in the course of an investigation, we find ourselves unable to secure necessary evidence,” full committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) said. Nevertheless, Upton was unable to see the light bulb go on in his head.

86

 Wouldn't you rather discuss the black fella's libido?  No, the other black fella.

Wait....that first black guy you were confusing with....is he even black? Nor do I consider sexual relations with a Wookie a "libido"......

87
I have no experience whatsoever in business.

And I haven't got the faintest clue about basic economic principles.

Today I'm jumping in my big blue jet areoplane and flying to France to share my knowledge on how to fuck up an economy and make things worse.

88 If this isn't a scandal it's an example of paralytic partisan rancor.

89
I can't wait until three years from now when I say to the Euro-Zone, "Thanks to me you're better off now than you were three years ago."

90 I hope someone spills a drink on odumbass or throws one in his face while he's over there being a stupid fuck, I would be happy with either one.

91
I'm going to do to Europe what I did to the United States.

You're welcome, world.

92 This White House doesn't care about any subpoenas. They do what they want knowing congress doesn't have the stones to stop them.

93

77....IÂ’m conservative and IÂ’m against Crony Capitalism.

If you donÂ’t recognize the value of a candidate having this position, I think you should stay out of political consulting.

First off, fuck you Jwest.

You slammed Mallumut in the 'State of the Race' thread not long ago.....crowing about how you base your views on logic instead of emotion.

Well that is total bullshit. Your comments always have an illogical emotional overcast to them. ....Which is common for Palinistas.

Cronyism occurs in all forms of government and has been around as long as prostitution. It is not the fault of Capitalism that cronyism occurs within its realm. Cronyism is the problem.....not Capitalism.

94 Yeah, this Solyndra fraud is pretty bad so, we should drop the F&F murder investigations to focus on this.

95 oy.

A group of 40 House Republicans, more than a dozen of whom have signed the Americans for Tax Reform pledge, signed a letter telling the Super Congress that “revenues must be on the table” in negotiations. The letter does not call for any tax increase, but does open the door for the possibility.

96 I've always thought that "crony socialism" would be a better term for it.

97 Cronyism occurs in all forms of government and has been around as long as prostitution. It is not the fault of Capitalism that cronyism occurs within its realm. Cronyism is the problem.....not Capitalism.

Indeed, if it's "cronyism" it is (by definition) not "capitalism."  Capitalism refers to a free market- which is something that does not, yea cannot, exist in conjunction with Governmental Cronyism.

98 "It starts with a sense of guilt we should all feel," he said. "We got to where we are by dumb luck."-  George Kaiser

99 96 oy.

A group of 40 House Republicans, more than a dozen of whom have signed the Americans for Tax Reform pledge, signed a letter telling the Super Congress that “revenues must be on the table” in negotiations. The letter does not call for any tax increase, but does open the door for the possibility.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 03, 2011 11:51 AM (JYheX)

Fucking chumps.

100
40 Republicans seem to have forgotten how they got in power in 2010.

Taxed Enough Already

And this is why we're gonna lose the House in 2012.

101 Why do republicans hate green energy so much? The republican controlled congress should be passing our enlightened and glorious president's job bill to help Americans, through our benevolent government. Democrats just want to get Americans back to work as opposed to creating faux scandals in an attempt to destroy our country's environment and best hope for energy independence.

102 Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2011 11:53 AM (v+QvA)

I like "Corruption."  What was wrong with that word?  Even "Cronyism" sums it up nicely.

103

Fascist corporatism has a nice ring to it, although some folks might read a knee-jerk anti-corporation sentiment into that. 

Crony socialism, the Fed is re-distributing our money to their conies. Ain't no invisible hand. It's right out in the open.

104

98 Cronyism occurs in all forms of government and has been around as long as prostitution. It is not the fault of Capitalism that cronyism occurs within its realm. Cronyism is the problem.....not Capitalism.

Indeed, if it's "cronyism" it is (by definition) not "capitalism." Capitalism refers to a free market- which is something that does not, yea cannot, exist in conjunction with Governmental Cronyism.
------

Agreed, AllenG.

In fact....it is often the socialistic burdensome regulations that are heaped onto our free market system which foster Cronyism, and cause it to occur.

105 Posted by: Steven Chu, channeling his inner Dean Martin at November 03, 2011 11:25 AM (C8hzL) Who????

106

This may make good headlines and a few low level “aides” may be sacrificed so these asshole can look like theyÂ’re doing “the peoplesÂ’ business”, but itÂ’s all bullshit.  The Repubs groveled for handouts for their pet alt energy contributors every bit as much as the dems did.

107 .it is often the socialistic burdensome regulations

I would go beyond "often" to "usually."  Overburdensome regulations cry out for bribery and graft, so that some companies can have an extra-market advantage.

Indeed, it's a vicious cycle.  Regulation leads to cronyism, which leads to more regulation.

108 Hey... Solyndra scandal, the economy and the unemployment rate aren't NEARLY as important the as Cain's 20 year old alleged 'sexual' fauz pas. C'mon.. get your priorities straight!  Thank gosh the MSM has their reporting priorities in line..

109 Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 03, 2011 11:58 AM (jx2j9)

Of course they are/did.  What did you expect them to do.  If the money is there, they are going to try get their piece of it.

Which is exactly why we should be focused on preventing the money from being there.

110 Appears to be a straight-forward requirement for e-Verify use. It does apply preemption so that states will be unable to set their own requirements and penalties.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 03, 2011 11:38 AM (eEfYn)

No mention of e-verify at all. But that could be what they are alluding to when they say "other system provided by Dept of Homeland Security". 

The thing that bothers me about this bill is the only punishment in it goes to the "immigrant" and not the employer. In addition, there is no funding for implementation or to fix e-verify if that is what they are talking about. IOW, it is another damn "border fence" that will never get built or fixed and it will never work.

Perry doesn't like e-verify because it is a POS that does not work. Even Newt said it was too broken to use. Romney likes it though.

Here is the bill they are talking about

BTW, there is another bill that has been voted out of committee that Smith has signed on to that raises the number of allowed "immigrants".

As for "preemption" once a federal law goes into effect it automatically "preempts" any State law that conflicts.

111 Which is exactly why we should be focused on preventing the money from being there.

Agree 100%. If you don't leave giant piles of cash around you don't get weasels.

112
I have a set of megajoules, right here.

\ oo /

113 “I regret that we have reached this point,” Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.), the chairman of the committee’s Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee and the GOP’s pointman on the Solyndra investigation, said Thursday.

When a Republican investigates a Democrat, he apologizes. 

They have the GOP in Washington so well trained.

114 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

115 It's Bush's fault...

116 It's Bush's fault...

What isn't?  Right?

117

109....Indeed, it's a vicious cycle. Regulation leads to cronyism, which leads to more regulation.

ObamaCare.

ObamaCare + Waivers = perfect example of Regulation fostering crony corruption.

Create a new law that is so diabolically heinous that even your own supporters come running for an exemption from it. ....This is a glaring recent and ongoing example of cronyism and corruption.

One could also call it a shakedown.....since many of these ObamaCare Waiver recipients have likely been 'inspired' to donate heavily to Obama's campaign.

 

118 WRT to the crony capitalization debate, I agree with all of the suggestions. It is important that we take back what words and phrases are used, as they are deliberately framing the debate wrongly, just by the words they choose. social justice, wealth redistribution, etc. All of their word choices are meant to confuse. Wealth cannot be distributed, only earned or inherited. Money can be distributed. Social justice is non sensical. Cronyism is a bad thing, and linking it to capitalism implies that capitalism is bad. crony-politics, however, just points out that politics can be bad!

119 A group of 40 House Republicans, more than a dozen of whom have signed the Americans for Tax Reform pledge......

Which tells you what those so-called "pledges" are good for. Also let's not forget about the new "Gang of 6" with the 3 RINOs that have signed onto a tax agreement with the Dems. Rember that it only takes a majority vote on this frakin' committee to approve the budget numbers and congress must "rake it or leave it" and if they "leave it they automatically cut budgets for the military and SS/Medicare. The military has already been cut in every budget for the last two years.

This committee was a GD disaster.

120 Didn't Jesus once say, "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away"

Actually, Mr. Carney, that was Job.  Who was not having a good day.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 03, 2011 11:40 AM (8y9MW)

God works in mysterious ways

So with the death panels Obamacare is a Job's program.

121

One could also call it a shakedown.....since many of these ObamaCare Waiver recipients have likely been 'inspired' to donate heavily to Obama's campaign.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 03, 2011 12:04 PM (qqn3x)

And do away with french fries.

122   I've always thought that if differing views were discussed without rancor, the resulting seismic disturbance would be astounding.


   Sure am sad that Sarah chose not to run. Also happy to have Perry as the backup. Even more satisfying would be him defeating Romney.

123 Obamas amending the freedom of information act to allow lying. Any doubt he'll not hesitate to lie to congress as well?

124 crony-politics, however, just points out that politics can be bad!

If there is a single occupation which lends itself more to corruption than "politician," I don't know what it is.

Which, of course, is another reason for Term Limits.  And a constitutional ban on "political families"  (I'm sorry, I liked GWB, but I think the fact his father was President should have excluded him.  Heck, I think the fact that his brother had been president should have excluded Ted Kennedy from being a Senator).

125 This committee was a GD disaster.

Posted by: Vic at November 03, 2011 12:05 PM (YdQQY)

I was told it guaranteed our electoral victory next November.

126 The HB is much on the haftin to be uproared!!!!!

127 OT: If I were one of these business owners in Oakland, I'd sue the friggin' mayor personally for this...

http://tinyurl.com/3qx67e7

128

First off, fuck you Jwest.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 03, 2011 11:50 AM (qqn3x)

 

Getting a little emotional there, arenÂ’t you?

129 Which, of course, is another reason for Term Limits.  And a constitutional ban on "political families"

Agree with the former, not the latter.  I have relatives on the opposite side of the political spectrum.  I'd hate to think if they were elected I couldn't be.

130 As for "preemption" once a federal law goes into effect it automatically "preempts" any State law that conflicts.
Posted by: Vic at November 03, 2011 12:00 PM (YdQQY)

It actually does more than override any conflicting requirements. It seems to prevent states from having any verification requirements:
SEC. 6. PREEMPTION. Section 274A(h)(2) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1324a(h)(2)) is amended to read as follows: `(2) PREEMPTION- The provisions of this section preempt any State or local law, ordinance, policy, or rule, including any criminal or civil fine or penalty structure, insofar as they may now or hereafter relate to the hiring, continued employment, or status verification for employment eligibility purposes, of unauthorized aliens. A State, locality, municipality, or political subdivision may exercise its authority over business licensing and similar laws as a penalty for failure to use the verification system described in subsection (d) to verify employment eligibility when and as required under subsection (b).'.

131 I have relatives on the opposite side of the political spectrum.  I'd hate to think if they were elected I couldn't be.

Nothing is perfect.  And I don't mean at all levels.  I don't think- for instance- that GWB should have been barred from being the Governor of Texas.  I don't think that Ted Kennedy being a Senator should have barred any other Kennedy from seeking that same office (or from being a Rep)- perhaps with the exception they shouldn't be able to a federal level office at the same time.

But I do think that political families breed corruption almost as surely as lawyers (usually for the affected industry) writing law.

132 The moneylaundering aspect of this is what needs to be accentuated.

133 There's no such thing as "crony capitalism." We already have a word that covers it: "graft."

134 Crony capitalism is not all bad, providing the business involved makes an honest attempt to create a product with value and integrity.

If you own a Japanese car, you're driving a long-standing example of not only crony capitalism, but a product subsidized by the government. Of course, the U.S. provides Japan with military security, allowing them to distribute their finances elsewhere. 

135 Yes, but they didn't need that section based on current case history.  But, maybe he put that in there in the event we get a real Supreme Court.

136 crony capitalism ... God I hate that phrase ... dorksville!

137

I like "Corruption."  What was wrong with that word?  Even "Cronyism" sums it up nicely.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 03, 2011 11:55 AM (8y9MW)

Nothing wrong with it at all. 

138

130......Getting a little emotional there, arenÂ’t you?

Perhaps.

I was responding to your telling me basically to shut the fuck up.

Unlike you Jwest....I don't crow about 'not being emotional' while hypocritically being emotional in doing so. ....So I will readily admit to succumbing to emotion when it comes to politics.

When it comes to the survival of our beloved Country and my family....I reserve the right to be emotional. But there is a pragmatism to that emotion, borne out of survival.

But when it comes to parroting the liberal phrases that have been constructed to do harm to our Republic....I will always call that out when I see that being done.

139 Rush defends the Cain leaks. Says "If it is true, who leaked it doesn't matter, it was going to come out anyway"

140 William Wallace would never say "crony capitalism".

141 ID RATHER LIVE UNDER AL KAIDA THAN *SPIT* CAPITALISM!

142 Rush defends the Cain leaks. Says "If it is true, who leaked it doesn't matter, it was going to come out anyway" Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 03, 2011 12:24 PM (0q2P7) Wouldn't so much call that a defense as much as simply a statement of fact

143 If you own a Japanese car, you're driving a long-standing example of not only crony capitalism,

In Japan the corporations ARE the government, so yes they have a "corporatist" government. But it still has nothing to do with capitalism.

We have never had a "corporatist" government here. It has always been what was called the "American System" in which one segment of the population was taxes to build infrastructure for another segment using "cronies" of the elites who were currently in power.

In other words it was gross corruption and the only way to keep it small was to keep government small and to limit the power of one party over the others.

Unfortunately we lost that in 1861.

144

138 crony capitalism ... God I hate that phrase ... dorksville!

I love you Honey Badger. ....You're prolly hot even without a leather kilt.

145 Crony capitalism is not all bad, providing the business involved makes an honest attempt to create a product with value and integrity.

Ummm... yes, it is.  First- as already mentioned- it's a stupid phrase.  When you replace it with "Corruption" or "Graft" it doesn't sound nearly so "not all bad," does it?  If (to use your example) Toyota or Honda could not compete without government subsidies, they should have been driven out of the market.

And, yes, that pre-supposes that the American Auto-Makers weren't also being helped by Cronyism (which they probably were).

146 ID RATHER LIVE UNDER AL KAIDA THAN *SPIT* CAPITALISM!

Posted by: KayInMaine at November 03, 2011 12:25 PM (Av+mD)

There are planes leaving everyday.

147 Posted by: Vic at November 03, 2011 12:20 PM (YdQQY)

Yeah. Precedent is so mucked up now it has lost all real meaning for application. The court will just rule how they want anyway.

I don't know that Smith is concerned about individual states having laws. Probably put it in to get someone(s) to support it out of committee.

148 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 03, 2011 12:00 PM (8y9MW)

Ya got that right.  But they'll find a way to steal it.  Remember earmarks?

149 Says "If it is true, who leaked it doesn't matter, it was going to come out anyway"

So... what people here have been saying for the last 3 days.

150 Topical, substantive newsy-news? You b@st@rds.

151 There are planes leaving everyday.

She's probably have to get a direct flight into China and head into that "worker's paradise" (where everybody is paid a "fair wage", according to some of the Occupy LA gits) known as North Korea. 

Barring that, she can go to Venezuela and head into Syria via one of Chavez's "Hezballah Air" flights. 

152 Ya got that right.  But they'll find a way to steal it.

Well, yes.  Fish gotta swim, playa gotta play, politician gotta cheat us out of our money.

That said, anything we can do to limit and/or curtail that is something we should be doing.

153 146 *adjusting leather kilt* ... why, thank you!

154 _{ID RATHER LIVE UNDER AL KAIDA THAN *SPIT* CAPITALISM!}

Well then, it's not my way, but if that's what you want...Shut up; The men are talking, your opinion doesn't matter, go hide under a mini-tent and learn your place.

155 Well then, it's not my way, but if that's what you want...

Sometimes I really love hanging out here.

156 But I do think that political families breed corruption almost as surely as lawyers (usually for the affected industry) writing law.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 03, 2011 12:17 PM (8y9MW)

The greater danger with political families is when an elected official starts appointing relatives into coat-holder positions (i.e. The Massachusetts Way).  That process should be banned.  I don't mind if they get elected, at least the people knew what they were getting.

157 There are planes leaving everyday.

She already lives in a Soviet Republic, so I'm not sure she wants to depart. In some ways, Maine surpasses Massachusetts.

158 When those Solyndra people took all that tax payer money they spent it on yachts and luxury cars and houses so it totally stimulated the economy.

159 Perry doesn't like e-verify because it is a POS that does not work. Even Newt said it was too broken to use. Romney likes it though.
Posted by: Vic at November 03, 2011 12:00 PM (YdQQY)

Vic,
I am not looking for you to provide citations, but have you seen any specifics from  the critics of e-verify with regard to it not working, etc?  I have seen a statement from Perry that it 'will not make a hill-of-beans worth of difference'  and similar comments from others. Have you seen any actual details on why they conclude it doesn't work?

160 Sort of OT: In other News, even Cuba is realizing that free(er) markets are the best way to help an economy.

161 Capitalism, cronyism, corporatism... semantics...

Japan's government is almost totally corrupt.  Still doesn't mean that their car manufacturers don't deliver a good product, even though that corruption is finally catching up to them and their sales are waning.
However, if a U.S. business of the elite provides a value product in spite the political implications, it's still a win-win proposition for us, even if it's part of the "Brother-in-law Effect" of a politician.

162 143 ID RATHER LIVE UNDER AL KAIDA THAN *SPIT* CAPITALISM!

Posted by: KayInMaine at November 03, 2011 12:25 PM (Av+mD)

I would rather you live under Al "Kaida" too.

163 That process should be banned.  I don't mind if they get elected, at least the people knew what they were getting.

That might work, too.  I still hold my firmer ban in reserve if it doesn't though.

I am not looking for you to provide citations, but have you seen any specifics from  the critics of e-verify with regard to it not working, etc?

I vaguely recall something a few years ago that discussed it's problems with BOTH false-positives and false-negatives.  Any system that is subject to both is not worth the time it took to develop.

164 160 When those Solyndra people took all that tax payer money they spent it on yachts and luxury cars and houses so it totally stimulated the economy.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 03, 2011 12:33 PM (pdRb1)

Ah yes, not unlike the broken windows theory, just with 50% more graft and waste.

 

165

161 RioBravo,

If I may interject.....I think it has something to do the fact that E-Verify simply uses the same system to 'check' for fraud that the fraudsters have used to commit the fraud. ....Which is why simply checking to see if a SocSec number exists, doesn't give an accurate read on whether the person using that number is a legal citizen.

166 Solynda, and now Fannie and Freddie have returned with the begging bowl while Bawney playmates get huge bonuses

But don't expect the Obamaville hippies to break any of THEIR windows or demand hangings

167 Nothing is perfect.  And I don't mean at all levels.  I don't think- for instance- that GWB should have been barred from being the Governor of Texas.  I don't think that Ted Kennedy being a Senator should have barred any other Kennedy from seeking that same office (or from being a Rep)- perhaps with the exception they shouldn't be able to a federal level office at the same time.

Actually, I do.  Sorry, but given the epic levels of corruption political dynasties are wreaking, we really need to go zero tolerance.

Full disclosure:  When I was younger, I had serious troubles working in my field in this region because of conflict of interest issues that effectively locked me out from most of the firms in this area.  It was crippling, but I eventually found employment in other areas.  My sympathy for family members of political types who would lose their cash cow positions is, predictably, nil as a result.

168 What's a subpena? It sounds dirty.

169 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 03, 2011 12:27 PM (8y9MW)

Heh -- I wouldn't buy a Japanese car on a bet.

170

S'up yall...

"Kaye" is a miserable scrunt of a syphilitic whore.

Just sayin.

 

171 I think Rush knows something and getting ahead of the story.

172 Here's an article on E-verify that says it's an onerous system for small companies. It's from a local NC paper.  I am not vouching for their POV, btw.

Excerpt:

E-Verify is a federal program that uses Social Security Administration  and Department of Homeland Security databases to check employment eligibility. Employers enter employee identity information and the system confirms it or a “tentative nonconfirmation” (TNC) notice is issued. That worker then has eight days to contest the notice with Social Security or Homeland Security. If the worker does not contest the result, the business must fire that employee or risk violating federal law.

In theory, punching in a name and Social Security number to verify work authorization sounds efficient. In practice, the system is problematic.

First, the system relies solely on databases. Errors that lead to false positives and negatives are unavoidable. E-Verify can’t identify folks who present counterfeit or stolen documents. If a person presents “good documents,” he or she is cleared for employment.

More troubling are the false negatives. E-Verify misidentifies U.S. citizens and legal workers as TNCs or even “final nonconfirmations” because of errors in databases. It can take months to get personal information corrected.

The Immigration and Policy Center estimates that as many as 104,495 U.S. citizens and lawful immigrant workers in North Carolina could be misidentified through E-Verify

173 Heh -- I wouldn't buy a Japanese car on a bet.

My family has owned several Toyotas, and they were far better than any of the American cars we ever owned.  My first car was a Toyota Corolla that was older than me.

I don't have any problem with Japanese cars (in fact, I drive a Nissan currently, and my only problem with it is that it's a car and not a truck).

174

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 03, 2011 12:39 PM (Lt/Za)

One of the few times I am disagreeing with him.  He's using extreme cases (ie Kennedy) to make his point that Cain is getting criticism for not handling this better. 

175

171, I like his thoughts. So, we're going to throw Cain under the bus because he doesn't deflect a media attack well?

And as Glenn Beck pointed out earlier: if Cain did do some questionable things almost a decade ago then find out if he's reformed or not. What does the man believe now? If he used to be a scumbag is he still one?

Of couse, this line of thinking could apply to the anybody but Romney crowd too.

176 Forget this junk - I want another post about how it's Herman Cain's fault that he didn't go traisping around with a big sign proclaiming loudly that he'd been accused of sexual harassment back in the '90s.

177 Why do I continue to read "subpoena" as "subparpenis", and why do I feel both embarrassed and insulted?

178 >>My family has owned several Toyotas

We've only owned a couple of cars - Saturn (lasted about 7 years 'til it was in a wreck), Toyota (lasted 10 years 'til it was in a wreck), and now a VW (almost 4 yrs) and Jeep (1 yr).  We've been lucky with all of them (so far), but that Toyota (RAV4) was a great little car.  It really was solidly built and even the interior trim stayed in great shape.  I'd be hesitant to buy a Honda - even the new ones seem cheap.  

179 Why do I continue to read "subpoena" as "subparpenis", and why do I feel both embarrassed and insulted?

I'm sure one of our spammers can help you with that.

180 far better than any of the American cars we ever owned.

American cars have greatly closed that gap. CR reports in family sedans reliability (based on previous models) #1 is Ford Fusion Hybrid, #2 Chrysler 200. Reliability compares well across all categories. If you want something anecdotal my company has a Jeep with 200K on it, original engine, still kicking.

181 As far as Cain is concerned, I just want him to say something along the lines of it was a long time ago, blah, blah blah. I just don't want him using the scorched earth policy of blaming Perry. That. Does not help anybody, and it does not clear his name.

182 Doesn't look like Herman's problems are going to go away anytime soon:

http://tinyurl.com/5vmd25h

183 Y-not, ConservativeMenAreJustHotter

Thanks for your comments on e-verify. I have a research topic now.

Also, I love this:
The Immigration and Policy Center estimates that as many as 104,495 U.S. citizens and lawful immigrant workers in North Carolina could be misidentified through E-Verify

104,495? Wonder how they got that number, as opposed to 100,000 or 105,000.

184 The Air Force is laying off 436 captains and majors as part of a multiyear program to adjust its staffing levels after its retention rate hit its highest level in 16 years. Although the cuts are aimed at meeting congressionally mandated targets, they are not related to the $450 billion that the Pentagon will slash from its budget over the next decade, officials told FoxNews.com. And this is just the beginning.

185 104,495? Wonder how they got that number, as opposed to 100,000 or 105,000.

Database query returns 104,495 records, but they haven't checked each one?

186 The I-9 is worthless, but required for every employee. Wanna be a jackass? If you have a really old passport, use it as your verifying document. Oops. My bad. Looks like CIS changed the form in 2009.

187 Just so you know what you're buying:

...Well-known Japanese companies routinely hire gangsters to rough up shareholders who ask embarrassing questions at company meetings. Even Japan's "convoy system" (often denounced as a devilish plot to destroy foreign competitors), in which weaker exporting firms are propped up by stronger, is merely ethno-economics in action in a multi-ethnic world marketplace. The current shoring up of insolvent banks with taxpayers' money is ethno-economics too. After all, the bad loans were made by Japanese to other Japanese, so the whole family has to help repair the damage -- like repaying a brother's debts.

I'll keep my CTS.  At least I'm financing American crooks.

188 Of couse, this line of thinking could apply to the anybody but Romney crowd too.

Well, no.  Romney still thinks Romneycare is the cat's meow.

189

IÂ’ve got to agree that Rush is off-base with this one.

 

Cain needed to come out with all the facts and a consistent story from the beginning.  He blew it.  We all know that “sexual harassment” claims can be false or overblown, but whatever he did or didnÂ’t do isnÂ’t the big problem.  He just didnÂ’t handle the situation properly. 

 

Yes, itÂ’s unfair treatment that the republican receive in the press, but thatÂ’s just the way it is right now.  We need candidates who can deal with it.  Cain canÂ’t.

190 So this is the only thread we get today then?

191

Well, no.  Romney still thinks Romneycare is the cat's meow.

Or to apply Beck's axiom he's still a scumbag.

192 OT: MSNBC hired Megan McCain as a "commenter".  Comedy gold should be incoming any minute now.

193 So, we're going to throw Cain under the bus because he doesn't deflect a media attack well?

Ummm... qualified 'yes?'  This is something he's going to have to be able to deal with.  GW was a thoroughly honorable man, but had to deal with a scandal or two.  He didn't do super well, but he did better than Cain.

And as Glenn Beck pointed out earlier: if Cain did do some questionable things almost a decade ago then find out if he's reformed or not.

This has little to do with it.  Certainly if he did something bad, that's a problem, but the current problem IS his handling of the situation.  It's been clumsy and obfuscatory.  And when obfuscating didn't work, he decided to point the finger at his preferred political rival (without any proof that I've seen, by the way) to attempt to deflect from the scandal itself.  (Really, that smacks of the Clintons' "Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy."  Not in tin-foil hattary, but in 'pay no attention to the allegations, pay attention to those making them.')

I'll say again- based on what we KNOW it looks like there is no "there" there.  On the other hand, if there was no "there" there, I would expect Mr. Cain to have been more straightforward about the issue from the beginning.

Of couse, this line of thinking could apply to the anybody but Romney crowd too.

It could- if we were willing to forgo the idea that "actions speak louder than words."  The facts of Romneys actions are what make him unacceptable- it's just that his "stop me when you've heard something you like" doesn't help.

194 #187 ..Oh,Oh...

195

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Posted by: alexthechick at November 03, 2011 11:13 AM (VtjlW)

that was delightful ,alex.

196

tami

 

you know who this hurts?  curious

197 Vic,
I am not looking for you to provide citations, but have you seen any specifics from  the critics of e-verify with regard to it not working, etc?

Newt talked about it in one of the debates. Perry talked about it in a Q&A session with a reporter. Of course you will never hear about why he doesn't like it, you only hear that he opposes e-verify so he is soft on illegals.

WSJ article

198 American cars have greatly closed that gap.

Yeah, I know.  And the next vehicle I want is (probably) a Ford F-150.  I'm just talking about my personal experience.

199 New thread...guess who it's about?

200 Why the hell is what Nancy Pelosi has to say about next years elections leading the 12 Oclock news?  I am so sick of this terrible woman.

201 #187 ..Oh,Oh...

Oh.  So maybe there is a "there" there.  Now I don't know what to think.  I generally trust PJM, so when they say they've verified the sources and the name of the woman, I believe that.

Until now, this was mainly an MFM story.  Now we have a conservative news outlet saying there may actually be a story here.

202 205 New thread...guess who it's about?
Posted by: Tami

I bet it's about your boobies.

203 198 OT: MSNBC hired Megan McCain as a "commenter".  Comedy gold should be incoming any minute now.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 03, 2011 12:55 PM (tqwMN)

She'll feel right at home, birds of a feather and all that.

With her boobs and Cuntessa's ass they could actually create a show I would watch.

 

 

204 OT

Sleazeball Joe Francis (Founder of Girls Gone Wild) is suing a Vegas Casino for harassment. How has he been harassed? They were trying to collect a 2 million dollar gambling debt.

http://tinyurl.com/3ub3nm3

205

The new motto of the DoE should be "Don't Just Do Something, Sit There!"

It would be safer overall for the rest of us.

206 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

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