July 19, 2011
— rdbrewer The vote total was 234-190. It's not expected to get through the Senate, I guess, but hey, it's a plan. In related news, Senator DeMint says that Obama is only backing the "gang of six" plan because the GOP is on the move:
"I don't know enough about the Gang of Six proposal, but I do know the only reason the president is stepping up and saying he might support this is that Republicans are now on the offense with a plan that would increase the debt limit in a way that Moody's and S&P would recognize as credible long-term deficit reduction," DeMint said Tuesday on Fox Business Network.. . .
"There is only one proposal that actually is written that will be voted on, and that is the ‘cut, cap and balance’ proposal," DeMint said.
I don't know enough about the gang of six proposal either. But from Drew's post earlier today, it seems a little vague, a little aspirational--a little long on promise and short on specifics. And how many times has the GOP been lead down the primrose path on promised future spending cuts? Reagan and Bush 41, from what I can recall. I'm sure there are others. Because of this, I'm leaning toward not liking it, and I'm starting to wonder whether Senator Coburn deserves the name "Dr. No." But we'll see.
Added: Representative Paul Ryan is on Fox right now, and he sounds more than a little skeptical about the gang of six plan. He doesn't like the backdoor way it miraculously appeared today. Again, it's hard to see why Senator Coburn is involved in this.
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fuck the senate!
If I were the house leadership, I'd call it a day and bug the fuck out of DC for the rest of the month.
Posted by: Serious Cat at July 19, 2011 05:04 PM (bAySe)
Anybody have a roll call list yet? I keep trolling the house clerk site, and the thomas loc site, but they don't seem to have it yet.
Maybe we could beg for a bump/update when a roll call becomes available?
Posted by: knob at July 19, 2011 05:04 PM (oOrVj)
Posted by: Bob Saget has not been banned yet at July 19, 2011 05:04 PM (NLWij)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 19, 2011 05:05 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at July 19, 2011 05:06 PM (VidfH)
This.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 19, 2011 05:06 PM (GTbGH)
Boehner? I woulda taken that guy apart.
[...]
I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody.
*squirt*
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at July 19, 2011 05:08 PM (w41GQ)
Hey Senors, STFU and deliberate on house bills when the budget is involved..
Posted by: Jimmah at July 19, 2011 05:08 PM (TfRqk)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 19, 2011 05:10 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 19, 2011 05:10 PM (Ra7iV)
Posted by: Talking Turkey at July 19, 2011 05:11 PM (dKCBV)
It doesn't help when they can't even count up their own membership properly.
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 19, 2011 05:11 PM (3YDTN)
The Senate did not have the (good) electoral carnage the House had in the 2010 elections. So the country club R Senators feel insulated. I do hope this changes in the 2012 elections and the Senate gets more of what the House got in 2010.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 19, 2011 05:12 PM (4q5tP)
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 19, 2011 05:12 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: lions at July 19, 2011 05:13 PM (Mp19R)
If the R's agree to raise taxes - they can kiss it all goodbye. Losers.
Yeah cowards - just hand Obozo a win and say fuck you and goodnight - you worthless unprincipled spineless repugs.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 19, 2011 05:13 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: lions at July 19, 2011 05:14 PM (Mp19R)
Eric Cantor needs to say this:
"The House's plan is about solving a serious problem. The Senate's plan is about pretending to solve a serious problem
The House Republicans will not participate in pretending to solve serious problems."
Then let the Senate Republicans vote.
Posted by: mghorning at July 19, 2011 05:14 PM (mTXMT)
Posted by: SEIU/AFL-CIO/NLRB at July 19, 2011 05:15 PM (MZSfb)
The gang of six plan has fewer pages to it than it has member who wrote it: five
There is no way a real, grown-up federal budget fits in five pages.
therefore, the Ryan budget still has the unimpeachable advantage of being a real actual budget, and not just smoke you blew up my ass.
Posted by: Truman North at July 19, 2011 05:15 PM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Truman North at July 19, 2011 05:16 PM (K2wpv)
Oh I do so love the legitimate theater!
Well, now that that's done with, how about passing the real compromise between the Democrats and the Republican leadership, preferably at the last minute in the middle of the night, without giving people a chance to review the numbers until after the deed is done?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 19, 2011 05:17 PM (EeYDk)
Consider also the possibility that the so-called "Gang of Six" may have also agreed to work to get the "Cut, cap and balance" bill to the floor of the Senate in exchange for pushing their pet bill.
Doesn't mean that the House "Cut, cap and balance" bill will pass the Senate, but getting it to the floor and allowing debate is a small win for the Republicans. Getting the Senate to openly vote it down and then explain WHY to the people means something. It they never bring it to the floor (which is what happened to the Republican House budget), it's almost like it never happened.
I've listened to Coburn for too long to think he would give up on his most basic principles for a handful of magic beans.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes... at July 19, 2011 05:17 PM (sJTmU)
He had a series of posts detailing the various ways Obama increased the debt and at the same time whined about the debt. It was really awesome, great use of the medium.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 19, 2011 05:17 PM (T0NGe)
Did Obama ever actually present his healthcare plan to Congress?
Didn't think so.
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Did the dumbocrats even present the bill to congress? At midnight, yes, voting at 10AM that morning. 2000 pages, with reference to 200,000 othe pages.
Posted by: Jimmah at July 19, 2011 05:18 PM (TfRqk)
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2011 05:18 PM (AWzOz)
Posted by: Mr. Pink at July 19, 2011 09:06 PM (VidfH)
1986
1991
Won't get fooled again.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 19, 2011 05:18 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: mghorning at July 19, 2011 05:20 PM (mTXMT)
Posted by: inquisitive at July 19, 2011 05:21 PM (CL99U)
Coburns's a fucking idiot.
I read that shitpaper called the Gang of Six whatever.
Pathetic.
Just as one example of its stupidity, it fully retains the Earned Income Tax Credit - the very same fucking thing that eliminates millions of Americans from ever paying a dime of Federal Income Taxes, pushing the burden onto the other 49% and thus creating the welfare mentality that elected that motherless communist fuck to the White House.
And the spending cuts? All bullshit.
Did I mention that Coburn was a fucking idiot?
Posted by: TexasJew at July 19, 2011 05:21 PM (RppX1)
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2011 05:22 PM (AWzOz)
I'm sure some of that is a "it doesn't go far enough" thing. I'm sure that's the case with Bachmann. Paul? Well he likes being a dick just to be a dick.
It was going to pass anyway, so if they talk about how it doesn't go far enough, that's fine with me.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 19, 2011 05:23 PM (T0NGe)
@40, MB voted against it because it included a (triggered) increase of the debt ceiling by $2.4T. She previously said she would not vote for any bill that increased teh debt ceiling.
Good on her for keeping her word.
Posted by: knob at July 19, 2011 05:23 PM (oOrVj)
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 19, 2011 05:23 PM (Jyt+i)
Posted by: DocJ at July 19, 2011 09:22 PM (AWzOz)
Oh, we can get screwed, but not fooled.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 19, 2011 05:24 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Dan at July 19, 2011 05:24 PM (mXBxH)
Bachmann said she voted no because it didn't defund / repeal Obamacare.
Posted by: ATaLien at July 19, 2011 05:24 PM (2p0vz)
We compromise by raising taxes now,
They compromise by cutting spending substantially later.
What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 19, 2011 05:24 PM (0q2P7)
Low sloping forehead. Check
Narrow eye set. Check
Goofy Grin. Check
Thinks like a democrat. Check
Bullshits like a cheap whore. Check
Say it as many time as needed.
Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at July 19, 2011 05:25 PM (lpWVn)
Posted by: x11b1p at July 19, 2011 05:27 PM (nVLlM)
Posted by: TexasJew at July 19, 2011 05:27 PM (RppX1)
Posted by: ATaLien at July 19, 2011 05:27 PM (2p0vz)
It's a game of inches. How bad do we want that inch? Are we willing to risk everything to get that inch?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 19, 2011 05:28 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ATaLien at July 19, 2011 05:28 PM (2p0vz)
You are not serious unless you participate in politics outside this blog.
Half of you have surrendered and found refuge in your meanderings here. Go play ball on the field like we did in 2010.
Posted by: mghorning at July 19, 2011 05:28 PM (mTXMT)
As an Arizonan, I say "Fuck you!" to Coburn.
Sorry, Ace.
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at July 19, 2011 05:29 PM (qiOph)
Posted by: x11b1p at July 19, 2011 05:30 PM (nVLlM)
The Dims have played the GOP, yet again. The GOP naively waits for either Obama or the Sen Dims to provide a plan. The Sen Dems are dithering. Obama is running out the clock. All while the gentlemen from the GOP, expect the Dims are acting in good faith.
Jeez. They just fell for this 3 months ago (continuing budget resolution). The Dims stall, the GOP holds back, the clock strikes 11, no time for a CBO score, and just sign something. Not 60 or even $38 billion in savings. $352 million.
What's the correct term. Tools? Stools?
Posted by: not again at July 19, 2011 05:30 PM (ucq49)
Posted by: alexthechick at July 19, 2011 05:31 PM (sf+iw)
Posted by: Hey.Wheres.Barry at July 19, 2011 05:32 PM (hyP1j)
Posted by: USA at July 19, 2011 09:25 PM (6Cjut)
It's not so much that they're not objective, it's that they're so juvenile.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 19, 2011 05:32 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: x11b1p at July 19, 2011 05:32 PM (nVLlM)
You are not serious unless you participate in politics outside this blog.
Half of you have surrendered and found refuge in your meanderings here. Go play ball on the field like we did in 2010.
Nobody I respect more than a scold.
Posted by: fluffy at July 19, 2011 05:33 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at July 19, 2011 09:26 PM (hXJOG)
Look, I'm all for tax simplification and if it's a net tax cut I'm OK with it, but what I would do is make sure that all spending cuts are now and tax increases...do not start until 2013.
Yes, the Democrats could filibuster repeal (as Ace pointed out to me), but the GOP candidate will run on repealing these tax increases and a bunch of GOP Senators will be elected in 2012.
Having a ticking tax bomb sitting right after the new president and Congress take office is a great motivator. Look, this crap is all about 10 year plans, so let's just do the tax stuff starting in about 19 months.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 19, 2011 05:36 PM (T0NGe)
Half of you have surrendered and found refuge in your meanderings here. Go play ball on the field like we did in 2010.
You mean get out there, knock on doors, contribute money, shit like that, so those we get elected can stab us in the back? OK where do I sign up?
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 19, 2011 05:36 PM (Jyt+i)
Yep. Likewise, I'm fond of the appeals to authority from the tiny people that live in flat screen.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 19, 2011 05:37 PM (GTbGH)
They compromise by cutting spending substantially later
What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose
"So, let me get this straight. First we have sex, then you promise to marry me afterward? Sounds solid!"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 19, 2011 05:37 PM (EeYDk)
Reuters gets it wrong.
"Most Republicans, especially Tea Party members in the House of Representatives, have vowed to block any revenue increases."
No - Republicans have vowed to block tax hikes. Tax hikes do not mean more revenue. Geez - how unprofessional and dumb and in the tank for the socialist agenda can a news agency be?
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 19, 2011 05:38 PM (0fzsA)
Me, I'm repped by Marsha Blackburn...she was a hoss when we had W, now she's nowhere to be found.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 19, 2011 05:40 PM (D+phB)
...though sadly less juvenile than the Dems in the House.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 19, 2011 05:42 PM (o2lIv)
God. Goebbels would be jealous.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 19, 2011 05:42 PM (T0NGe)
Bachmann said she voted no because it didn't defund / repeal Obamacare.
Posted by: ATaLien at July 19, 2011 09:24 PM (2p0vz)
Oh good, I thought maybe Debbie Waffleheimer Schmidt's stirring floor speech about Allen West wanting old people to eat catfood then die might have turned her.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 19, 2011 05:42 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 19, 2011 05:43 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 19, 2011 05:44 PM (Ra7iV)
Posted by: Dr. No at July 19, 2011 05:46 PM (Ra7iV)
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 19, 2011 09:42 PM (o2lIv)
A (very nice) liberal commented here a while back when the Weiner thing just got started and said something like, "He may be a jerk, but you would want him on your side."
My response was, "Not as a Congressman." A pundit, maybe, but I'd cringe at having somebody that relentlessly demagogic as an actual elected official.
Let's try to think of who on the right is anything like Weiner or DWS. Coulter? Levin? Even Breitbart entertains the other side and will concede a point once in a while as long as the opponent isn't being a partisan creep.
Barney Frank really started the whole unrelenting asshole Congressman schtick, but at least he's somewhat smart and has some reliable tricks, "Can I finish pwease?" But Weiner, DWS and even worse, Grayson are not only odious but they're pathetic to boot.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 19, 2011 05:48 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: chemjeff
Coburn temporarily walking away from the negotiations was as sincere as the car salesman walking away to talk to the credit manager to see if he'll sign off on the incredible deal you just got....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 19, 2011 05:50 PM (EeYDk)
Posted by: Serious Cat at July 19, 2011 09:04 PM (bAySe)
+1000!
And on the way out the door, comment, "see -- that's how it works: you do your job, then you can go on vacation."
Posted by: cthulhu at July 19, 2011 05:54 PM (kaalw)
It is difficult indeed. I know of some Republican lawmakers and talk-show hosts I do not like, but they are nothing like Weiner or DWS.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 19, 2011 05:55 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 19, 2011 09:50 PM (EeYDk)
To offer another POV, I find it hard to believe that Coburn doesn't have an ulterior motive. His entire history in the Senate defies the idea that he's making a deal now just for being "pals", and gamesmanship is far more important in the Senate than the House, due to the 60% requirement. If he does make a deal, then my progress towards complete disillusionment will be complete. I'll be all Eeyore, all the time.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at July 19, 2011 05:57 PM (D+phB)
"How I imagine how Andrew Sullivan imagines a vagina"
Close. Add a raspy tongue and a brillo pad coating, and you're there
Posted by: perfectionist at July 19, 2011 05:59 PM (ucq49)
Posted by: Fred at July 19, 2011 06:07 PM (6FGVd)
Posted by: Trust No One at July 19, 2011 06:18 PM (bPgPL)
Somebody has to stop this tea party and get Obama reelected! I only got so many good years left and if I am going to:
A. Get to live the real life version of Fallout.
B. Find out who the anti-Christ really is
Then... Obama has to be reelected or else my dream dies and I have to go back to boring old life of work, mortgages, taxes, and uninspired media entertainment! Think of the bratty children who will be sold into Chinese slavery and the enviromentalists who will watch Iranian nukes scorching the earth.. think of the children!
Posted by: Shiggz at July 19, 2011 06:18 PM (mLAWK)
Posted by: Shiggz at July 19, 2011 06:22 PM (mLAWK)
Posted by: Barbara Billingsley from the grave at July 19, 2011 06:31 PM (bPgPL)
Posted by: Kaye Y. Jellee at July 19, 2011 06:36 PM (r4t7/)
80 Nobody I respect more than a scold.
Yep. Likewise, I'm fond of the appeals to authority from the tiny people that live in flat screen.
Okay, I'll try to stimulate support for candidates that will support freedom through smaller gobernement, donate my money and my time to do this, and you all can sit here and decry my attitude, criticize my spelling and turn on each other.
We get the government we deserve. By that definition: You all deserve a government you can complain about, and that's about all.
Posted by: mghorning at July 19, 2011 07:02 PM (mTXMT)
Posted by: Cortillaen at July 19, 2011 08:10 PM (brMcr)
Posted by: dscott at July 19, 2011 08:18 PM (NGe7F)
Posted by: K~Bob at July 19, 2011 11:25 PM (eD8re)
Dude. You take to task people you don't know, for not doing the things that you think they should, while not actually knowing whether they do them or not. And this takes the form of you complain on a blog about people complaining on a blog.
Next you'll be telling the blog host how to run his blog. Oh, wait ...
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 03:32 AM (GTbGH)
So, as long as the House remains resolute, it's cut, cap and balance, or Obama and the Democrats shut down the government.
The House needs to do what it was elected to do. They've passed the bill. Tell the Senate the game is over.
Posted by: MarkD at July 20, 2011 04:33 AM (6CLxP)
Posted by: Sharron Angle at July 20, 2011 04:34 AM (zIpt+)
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/backs away, horrified
This is not how we do things in Washington!!
Posted by: White House Spokesdouche at July 19, 2011 05:02 PM (3YDTN)