1

There was a photo op after the vote with Ryan. Boehner and Cantor were standing behind him. I kept secretly wishing Ryan had the Burritos for lunch and sharted on both of them.

2 Damn! I wish they had just passed the RSC bill.

3 $1 trillion deficit is the best we can do? When do we cut up the Federal credit cards?

4 Brace yourself everyone:  This is the 'real battle' we've been told to expect.  Boehner will be like Sauron with the One Ring, Sending Democrats flying with his powerful gavel.

5 4R no's-- Jones, McKinley, Paul, Rehberg

6 Somebody show it to Nacy and Sparky so they know what one looks like.

7 GOP lines up to defeat their own bill for deeper cuts.

Lord, if big rocks are coming to destroy Washington, can it be soon?

8 Who's this DrewM person?

9 Hey...it's DrewM.  Long time no see.

10 OK. So I've been busy with work. What's BIRM?

11 But I Repeat Myself (Dems = MFM)

12 Drew M, back from exile. Welcome, and how come you missed my Big Victory_tm?

13 BTW - What's JEF mean? I see a lot of references of it but missed what it stands for.

14 Hoyer played this game because he knew some Rs are nervous-enough as it is about Ryan's budget, so he tried to show that the conference is unserious about cutting spending. Personally, I wouldn't have been offended if the RSC budget passed but they simply don't have the people to support it. Roll Call also says that 57 RSC members voted against the measure, including some who changed their votes once Hoyer created the disturbance.

15 JEF=JugEaredFuck

16 Drew,

I see your point, but I'm not sure I agree here.  True, political reality might require some walkback, but I think there's some value in presenting a coherent vision to the American people.  Just last week, we presented the Ryan plan.  Despite preferring the RSC plan, I can get behind the Ryan plan, and many conservatives feel the same way.  We've already stepped up to the craps table and laid down a very large bet on the Ryan plan.  If we suddenly shift our money to the RSC plan, the casino (the American people) isn't going to like it.

17 “Democrats, vote 'present!' ” House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) shouted at his colleagues, who tried, one by one, to switch their "no" votes to "present."

"But most Democrats voted 'present,' which forced Republican leaders to adjust their votes at the last second in order to ensure the defeat of the RSC budget. Even after adjusting to the Democratic procedural move, 119 Republicans voted for the RSC budget, and 120 Republicans voted against it, and it failed in a 119-136 vote."

18 Remember, this plan is only opeational until 2012. Win the WH and you could have a balanced budget within 9 months. Just sayin. The big news is Congress was able to craft a budget. Contrast that with the last Congress. Oh yea, I would bet this one is greater than the 8 page budget our Third World Leader has offered.

19 baby and old people killers?   Ppfshaw!

Just tell'em you were miscommunicatin'.  

Like when Kobe Bryant miscommunicated by calling a ref a "fag," you know, he got fined $100,000. 

That kind of miscommunicatin'.

20 And, as they noted, it's dead on arrival at the Senate. So does this mean we get another shutdown melodrama or does Boehner not have the stomach for that?

21 I keep waiting for signs that we are outmaneuvering the opposition. So far I haven't seen any.

22 I like Paul Ryan, I really do.

But can someone explain to me how you can present a budget with a 1 trillion deficit, when that deficit includes 1 time expenditures like Porkulus? What do we have now for our extra 800 billion that we didn't have 2 years ago? There is NO way people have suddenly become 800billion worth of dependent in just 2 year.s

23

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2011 02:48 PM (VuLos)

Thanks.

24

DrewM! Which of course is pronounced "DROOOOM"...

Anyone already see Michelle Malkin's post about AmeriCorps people signing up loads of people for food stamps? And...

More troublesome: AmeriCorps workers are themselves being encouraged to sign up for food stamp benefits — giving new meaning to “hands-on” (or rather, “hands-out”) experience.

Oy.

25 Obama just needs to dig into his stash.

26
Memo to: the Republicans in the House

Immediately hold hearings to investigate if Obama lied us into war with Libya.

You must stop focusing only on the budget because the Democrats are preparing to throw an uppercut to your jaw and knock you out.

Beat them to the punch and provide a distraction to keep Obama and the Democrats on their heels.

27

"...which forced Republican leaders to adjust their votes at the last second in order to ensure the defeat of the RSC budget. Even after adjusting to the Democratic procedural move, 119 Republicans voted for the RSC budget, and 120 Republicans voted against it, and it failed ..."

 

Is it time to warm up the tar yet?

28 Senate's out on recess until May 2.  It won't be not voted on there until at least then.

29 Now that the Ryan plan has passed the House, it's time for TEA Partiers to study it, then help educate their friends, families and acquaintances as to why they need to pressure their Senators to vote for it. We need to begin a series of nationwide demonstrations designed to build interest and help knock down the Democratic talking points. Ads must be run by the RNC that will show people in 55 and up talking about how they're protected under current Medicare rules, but that the changes in the Ryan plan will help their kids and grandkids get out of debt while still having a Medicare security blanket when they eventually hit retirement age. Sure, we might not scare enough Dems in the Senate to go for this, and it may be impossible to get Obama to sign it, but we can move more of the American people to our side.

30 Even Gohmert switched to no.

31 Truman (#29): If that's the case, then TEA Partiers also need to attend any town halls to lobby their Senators to vote for it.

32
rottentomatoes.com rates the Ryan budget a 0%

/bites fingernails

^{_{(this is a joke,btw)}}

33 I'm confused.
Do I need to resupply my rape kit?

34
Seriously, we need to be attacking the Democrats with a flurry of issues, not one issue at a time.

Keep them on their heels or they'll use all their resources and simply knock us out one issue at a time in the court of public opinion.

35

Maybe because the leadership wanted to give Ryan some authority and leverage to help make his case.

I dont understand the logic of cutting our leaders off at the knees, weaken them, and then acting suprised when the press is able to spin stories undermining them, when they are already undermined. And then act suprised that they cant rally the caucus, when the cuacus is constantly told how much the leadership sucks.

Just yesterday, 100 billion was the magic, golden Tea Party number. All was lost because Boehner didnt get 100 billion. Now, the same factions are complainging abouy trillions in cuts. Huh?

 

 

36

The Republicans like the Ryan budget because it allows them to get deficit reduction from things that happen decades from now. It gives them a convienient excuse to spend more now than is fiscally responsible.

I think Ryan is an outstanding guy, but he is just being used. Watch what happens as the Medicare and ObamaCare part of the bill fall away, will the budget baseline number come down? Will they get less than a $1 trillion deficit in exchange for the things they have to give up?

37

Here's another way to look at it from a boned perspective:

Merrill Lynch World Wealth Report 2010 states global market capitalization is $47.9 trn.

In the last 3 years, the United States has oerspent $5 trn.

Just in the last 3 years, the United States CHARGED AND DID NOT PAY FOR more than 10% of all of the wealth in the ENTIRE WORLD.

That's why I'm angry all the time.

38 We need a list of the 120 and the 190 or so that voted for this and the CR deal.  Identify those vulnerable to a primary challenge and get started.  Who is going on point for this ...

39 It wouldn't be AOS if there wasn't a negative post after passing a plan that previously had been praised. Terminator conservatives. It's what they do.

40

Lest there be any sort of confusion:

The article doesn't say:

"...with four Republicans supporting ..."

but does say:

"...with four Republicans opposing ..."

But maybe that was obvious.

41 GOP lines up to defeat their own bill for deeper cuts.

Lord, if big rocks are coming to destroy Washington, can it be soon?

Posted by: nickless at April 15, 2011 02:43 PM (ZHZdZ)

What a bunch of worthless fucking turds with no sense of commitment to any philosophy of governing.  They're dicking around with halfassed procedural games instead of being serious about any fucking thing.  To hell with all of them.  My hatred of those cocksuckers has officially entered the "dangerous to one's health" stage.

42 I'm rather disappointed Ryan (an RSC member) switched to no* but I understand why he did it. When your budget isn't even overwhelmingly supported by a majority of your members, you have to brake this one. If the conference would've supported earlier measures to cut deeper-- which he supported-- then there wouldn't have been this mess.

_{*He and Hoyer were yelling the on the floor, so they were among the last ones left.}

43

 

4/14 - The leadership didnt get a 100 billion in cuts for FY 2011. Primary them all!

4/15 - The leadership only got trillions in cuts for FY 2012. Primary them all!

44 37 The Republicans like the Ryan budget because it allows them to get deficit reduction from things that happen decades from now. It gives them a convienient excuse to spend more now than is fiscally responsible...

But the same goes for the Republican Study Committee budget.

45

" It's like one side plays for keeps and the other not so much."

Or maybe the other side doesn't really, actually, honestly believe in any of the stuff it says.  Maybe, just maybe, they're all statists at heart, too.

46 The point is to keep the American public at large on the side of ever increasing cuts. Ryans plan is an excellent start but even it doesn't go far enough. That has to be the message that the public gets again and again and again. It isn't about division within the party. It is about making sure the party itself gets pushed more and more in the direction of cuts by the public. The problem is that big and momentum must be maintained in the direction of cuts whenever possible. Pushing the RSC's plan does that.

47

#45

Absolutely right. There are no really tough short-term decisions in either of the bills.

Again, this is political theater in large part that isn't their fault. They have ridiculously high expectations placed upon them with a Senate and White House fighting them.

48 Initially, 124 Republicans were prepared to support the measure offered by the conservative RSC, but several switched their votes when it appeared the bill could pass.

They all would have switched if they had to, to make it fail.

The only thing that stopped any of them from flipping is the fact that D "base" voters are crazed idiots. Hoyer could have made all the Ds vote yes, to "force" a bunch of Rs to switch to offset them, but it would cause a Naderite blow-up that might cost them some seats.

I'm sad it couldn't happen. Clarity is good.

I'm rather disappointed Ryan (an RSC member) switched to no* but I understand why he did it.

Yeah. The RSC plan wouldn't raise taxes to EU levels, and doing that is the only thing he cares about.

49

" It's like one side plays for keeps and the other not so much."

One side fights by Marquess of Queensbury rules and the other starts out by kicking you in the nuts.

50

@44: "4/15 - The leadership only got trillions in cuts for FY 2012. Primary them all!"

Better late than never, I suppose, but unless they immediately cut the government by about 40%, it's all pretty much irrelevant.  Day late and 1 X 10¹⁴ dollars short.

51 I still believe that BO and Ryan were playing on the same team.  And the alleged problems between them were manufactured for the masses.

Watch how fast the debt ceiling bill becomes a done deal.  They want to leave on their vacations, it's a beautiful sunny day in DC and they're "outta here"

Cross another republican possible pres candidate off my list.

52 Good add on Drew, that's exactly what I thought of when the dems went present.

Why repubs won't ever play hardball just drives me nuts.

53 You guys be crazy. We just passed the Ryan plan that we have been talking about wanting to pass. Now you act like it's a defeat. As I said, you guys be crazy.

54 Posted by: polynikes at April 15, 2011 03:15 PM (7sQ6G)

A lot of us preferred the Rand Paul bill but we got Ryan's bill cause the prez and the dems were simply too lazy to write their own new bills and the republicans want their vacations.  Plus the Ryan bill they passed probably does not resemble the Ryan bill you initially saw.

55 I actually watched this bit of theatre on TV and it was an absolute mess. So much yelling-- especially with Ryan and Hoyer-- and Hoyer was getting an absolute kick of it. The thing that really irks me about it, though, is that the Dems think it's cute to vote present. Yes, we know that the Republican Party is weak and that's why they wouldn't support further cuts to Ryan's budget originally, but the Dems didn't do themselves any favors by showing that they think voting is a joke.

56 55 ...Plus the Ryan bill they passed probably does not resemble the Ryan bill you initially saw.

It was passed unamended per Cantor's decision.

57 >>A lot of us preferred the Rand Paul bill but we got Ryan's bill cause the prez and the dems were simply too lazy to write their own new bills and the republicans want their vacations. You do realize that Rand Paul is a senator, right?

58
the Dems didn't do themselves any favors by showing that they think voting is a joke.

When you're not held accountable, you can do anything you want.

59 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 15, 2011 03:17 PM (uVLrI)

I'm firmly convinced that they could do something terrible in front of the cameras, in chambers,  and would still have the unbridled adoration of the masses.

60

One side fights by Marquess of Queensbury rules and the other starts out by kicking you in the nuts.

Good thing our side has no nuts.....

Hey. That must be why our side never reacts. Because they don't feel anything...being nutless and all.

61 You do realize that Rand Paul is a senator, right?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2011 03:18 PM (TMB3S)

yes of course but Ryan could have adopted that bill, maybe mixed with some of his bill, and had a much better bill.

62 You guys be crazy. We just passed the Ryan plan that we have been talking about wanting to pass. Now you act like it's a defeat. As I said, you guys be crazy.

Posted by: polynikes at April 15, 2011 03:15 PM (7sQ6G)

If at the end of this thing the '12 budget is the Ryan plan I'll be amazed.

63 >>yes of course but Ryan could have adopted that bill, maybe mixed with some of his bill, and had a much better bill. What specifically would you like to have seen taken from Rand Paul's proposal.

64
that is, the Fourth Estate is a just a bunch of Democrat operatives

65 I am going to have to wait a few days to pass judgement on the budget to see what it really ends up being and if there was some late switcheroo.  But I can say right now I don't like the repubs wimpy tactics.  This fight is against the senate, not the neutered house dems.

66 It's like one side is all pussy wimps and the other side is all Democrats.

67

I'm actually please with Ryan and happy with this win.

although it won't pass the senate, it is at the least showing our hand to Americans and the longer unemployment rises ,rising costs of foodstuffs, gas go up, americans will want to Know Why. i think it's a win. They'll want some normalcy back!  Now we ask that Republicans saty serious. (and pray they will be)

68 49 Yeah. The RSC plan wouldn't raise taxes to EU levels, and doing that is the only thing he cares about.

The tax plan within both budgets is the same. Only differences are essentially the size of the cuts and how fast Ryan's reforms are implemented.

69

@54: "You guys be crazy. We just passed the Ryan plan that we have been talking about wanting to pass. Now you act like it's a defeat. As I said, you guys be crazy."

So, the ship of state is flooding at 1,000 gal/sec.  We just signed a purchase order for a single pump that can remove 25 gal/min.  Never mind that the pump won't ever actually be delivered or installed, of course.  Huzzahs all around, as the day has been saved.

It's a nice gesture, but that's all it is.

70 What specifically would you like to have seen taken from Rand Paul's proposal.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2011 03:21 PM (TMB3S)

for starters, the elimination of whole unnecessary departments. 

71

Calm down folks - at least the govt is taking care of one crucial issue...

"Authorities in New York City said they've interrupted the illegal flow of billions of dollars. They've unsealed an indictment charging 11 people with bank fraud and illegal gambling in a prosecution of the three largest Internet poker companies."

I fucking hate what this country has become.

72 This representative republic thingy isn't working out, by the way.

73
This is what to expect next:

Economists agree that Ryan's budget plan will cost five-million jobs.

74 Bevel I don't expect it will be but the Ryan plan is the bill we had been discussing as our starting point of what's going to be negotiated in the Senate. Why criticize it now except for ' I be crazy' reasons?

75 Posted by: steve_in_hb at April 15, 2011 03:23 PM (5lEKX)

have you been following Raj's trial?

76 Man what an asshole:

As for the biggest strength Obama believes he has heading into 2012? He said it was his "confidence in the American people."

77 Everythings is just shits and giggles until the 2012 election. We will have to elect a conservative who does not give a shit about what polls, the Dems or the MFM say. Honey Badger approved. Speaking of which, are any morons going to the big rally in Madison tommorow?

78 62 yes of course but Ryan could have adopted that bill, maybe mixed with some of his bill, and had a much better bill.

I would have loved to see Ryan, Paul, and Garrett create the strongest budget possible, but it simply doesn't have conference support. As it is, the only reason why Garrett's bill almost passed was due to Dems voting present. Otherwise, almost everyone on this list would have voted yes but it still wouldn't have passed the House. The alternative didn't pass last year when Pence and Ryan did it, and wouldn't have done it here without Hoyer's little gag.

79 Posted by: polynikes at April 15, 2011 03:24 PM (7sQ6G)

If you look back to all my posts I have always said I favored Rand Paul's bill over Ryan's bill.  I felt Ryan's bill wasn't good enough for the patient's condition.  He  wrote a bill for a conscious patient, rand paul wrote one to start pulling the patient out of the coma.

80

4/14 - The leadership didnt get a 100 billion in cuts for FY 2011. Primary them all!

4/15 - The leadership only got trillions in cuts for FY 2012. Primary them all

Need a stalking horse to get their attention, going after the entrenched leadership is probably not worth the effort - but those junior members from solid red districts need a little push.  If anything, it gives the leadership more to bargain with ...

81

Rand Paul's bill only touched discretionary spending. Ryan's budget begins the process of tackling the long term problems with third rail entitlements.

Its took a hundred years to get here. But liberals are better tacticians than conservatives. They are committed and patient. Conservatives just throw temper tantrums and want a hundred years of entrenched entitlements ended in one election cycle without controlling the White House of Senate.

 

82 Guys calm down. This is all prelude to 2012. If you cut with a machete Sparky gets re-elected. First things first. Get Sparky out of the way then swing the machete. You are going to need a real President to swing it anyway. There is no way a committee is going to do it.

83 Wow only 1T in deficits! WINNING! sigh... those who think themselves our masters are idiots.

84 The House majority is not monolithic (obviously). Not everyone of them is a tea party poster child. Leaders have to keep a hear of cats together. It's not a gig I'd sign up for.

I'd do it with threats of a wooden baton massage to anyone who steps out of line.

85 Obama proposes strategy for cyber-identity 'ecosystem'

The Obama administration on Friday unveiled its long-awaited strategy for creating an "identity ecosystem" that would improve the security of online transactions.

The goal of the National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace is to create digital identity credentials that consumers could obtain from either a public or private provider. The credential would allow a user to log into any website. 

The administration claims participation in the identity ecosystem will be entirely voluntary and users can choose to remain anonymous online. But privacy and civil rights advocates are sure to be concerned over what could be viewed as an attempt to create a type of digital ID card.

Several prominent Web firms and retailers have lined up to back the initiative, including Google, Verizon, Paypal and AT&T. The companies are likely drawn by the promise of allowing customers to pay their phone, utility and other bills from their mobile devices or the Web without having to remember a plethora of passwords.

86

Or maybe the other side doesn't really, actually, honestly believe in any of the stuff it says.  Maybe, just maybe, they're all statists at heart, too.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 15, 2011 03:11 PM (xy9wk)

 

This.  Kill them all... politically of course

87 I remember the day circa 1980 when my dad was ranting about the national DEBT reaching $1 trillion.  These days we do it year in and year out.  Now that's progress.

88 You guys be crazy. We just passed the Ryan plan that we have been talking about wanting to pass. Now you act like it's a defeat. As I said, you guys be crazy.

Posted by: polynikes at April 15, 2011 03:15 PM (7sQ6G)

Yup. They also passed a repeal of Obamacare and read (an edited version of ) the Constitution to start the session.

None of this nonsense has been anything but theatrics that they hope will keep the base appeased while they cave in to every last one of Obama's socialist fantasies.

89 Lets just say the repubs would have said "everybody vote yes" when the dems started going present.  Alas, we would have a better position right off the bat.

90 Democrat politicians love big government and are willing to spend other people's money to support it.

Republican politicians (most of them, anyway) love big government but aren't willing to pay for it.

The two groups working together have brought us to the present state of trillion dollar plus deficits as far as the eye can see.

And doom.

91 >>for starters, the elimination of whole unnecessary departments. Well Paul will have the opportunity to introduce that in the Senate were it will be promptly rejected. In what parallel universe are some of you operating where being in the minority in the Senate and having a socialist president and a complicit msm doesn't matter? Ryan's plan proposes making significant changes to Medicare and Medicaid and the usual suspects are demagoguing the shit out of them already. It'll be a freaking miracle if they get through in anything like the shape they were proposed. But you honestly think with the current make up of DC you are going to get the DOE or some other agency outright closed? Dream on. All that would do is endanger possible cuts by allowing the left to portray Republicans as out of touch, crazy, baby killers and elder killers. Ryan's bill is a fine start. You want more? How about we concentrate on taking the Senate and the presidency next year.

92 60 I'm firmly convinced that they could do something terrible in front of the cameras, in chambers,  and would still have the unbridled adoration of the masses.

The chair should have stopped both that and those environuts singing in the gallery. Voting present is not leadership, it's gamesmanship. Also, while I wish the Republicans were stronger on this issue, the simple fact is that they aren't and weren't. The Budget Committee members will all end-up with knives in their backs but the leadership wouldn't have even touched the RSC budget with a 10-foot pole.

93

"Apparently passing a $3.5 trillion spending plan with, um, only 1 trillion dollars in deficit is something to be excited about."

By which you really mean to say that it is really a $5.34 trillion spending plan with exactly $1.98 in spending cuts that will compound in thirty years to $49.99 in total spending cuts, much like the fucking deal that was made last week.

94 Tell me at least obamacare was defunded in this budget that will die in the senate.  Tell me they kept that promise.

95 At least they voted present instead of hiding in a broom closet so there wouldn't be a quorum. That's their other voting tactic.

96 I mean, Boehner's own Budget Committee just took a hit at the hands of Obama the other day and he just offers some weak statement about it being a campaign speech. Well, we knew that Mr. Speaker, but the rest of the leadership has all done better in denouncing what Obama did than you are.

97 95 Tell me at least obamacare was defunded in this budget that will die in the senate.  Tell me they kept that promise.

Yes-- repealed and defunded.

98 Rape the Taxpayer.

Lather, Rience, repeat.

99 Since the Republican House hasn't been able to get the Senate and White House to go along with them, it's probably time to give up and give it all back to the Democrats.

100 Witness the might of this fully armed and operational BONING.

101 Is anyone else having trouble with the site?

102

The Obama administration on Friday unveiled its long-awaited strategy for creating an "identity ecosystem" that would improve the security of online transactions.

The goal of the National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace is to create digital identity credentials that consumers could obtain from either a public or private provider. The credential would allow a user to log into any website.

Oh goody. Just in time for .gov enforcement of the Amazon Tax.

103
yes, me

sometimes the cherry  gets glitchy

104 Although I respect Paul Ryan and his budget, why is the budget always balanced by medicare, medicaid social security or defense??  Why don't we balance it by limiting foreign aid, or congressional travel and staff?  Or even the departments of energy and education?

105 Why does Representative Ryan hate minorities ???????????

106 102 Is anyone else having trouble with the site?
      Yes, there is not enough liberal point of view here.

107

4/14 - The leadership didnt get a 100 billion in cuts for FY 2011. Primary them all!

4/15 - The leadership only got trillions in cuts for FY 2012. Primary them all!

Posted by: swamp_yankee at April 15, 2011 03:10 PM (ZIpcL)

Where are you coming up with "trillions in cuts for FY 12?" If you could pull Speaker Boned's limp member out of your mouth for a minute, you would note that "leadership" hasn't got squat for '12, as yet. Before they even engage the other side,they are proposing adding another $1tr. to the debt for FY 12. Excuse me if I pass on building another monument to John Boned.

108 At least the Progressive Plan with $16T worth of tax increases failed miserably. Even a number of Dems couldn't vote for that one.

109 http://tinyurl.com/4ynquvv
This article calls palin a birther. It is from drudge and it's from the article where Obama talks about horns or something. Anyway even though she has denied birtherism they call her a birther...wow. Well it is a uk newspaper so it is ok if they are ignorant. Even Democrat buttlicker snufalupagus lumped in Palin with those who denied birtherism. The one thing though is trump, i'm nervous about  him. I really hope others start hitting him in the nuts soon because he can not gain any traction

110 106 Why does Representative Ryan hate minorities ???????????

Posted by: Yobanda Sumbaldi at April 15, 2011 03:45 PM (SZy+Y)

Of course you know that Obama hates minorities.

He isn't willing to balance the budget on the backs of wealthy NPR executives.

111 Somebody tell me why, on every last one of these bills, the Republicans can't simply pass a no-bullshit, this-is-what-we-have-to-do-if-we're-not-going-to-go-bankrupt, adult plan. No fluff, no compromises, just a bitchslap of reality.

Oh sure. It would die in the Senate and Obama would be too busy golfing to sign it. Who cares?

Pass it. Stand on it. Get on every available soapbox and defend it.

If the other side wants changes, then let them propose, debate, justify, and vote on them in the other Chamber and send a passed bill back to the House. Boehner and Co. have no business negotiating directly with Harry Reid, then trying to cram a crap-sandwich down the House's throat after the House did it's job.

When the government shutdown is looming and the Democrats start crying about the apocalypse of naked babies and grandmas eating cat food off the ground, simply state the unvarnished fact: The House passed a bill that works. Harry Reid chose not to even bring it up for consideration and has offered no plan of his own. Obama is out vacationing, golfing, and campaigning. We have done everything in our Constitutional authority and are awaiting the other branches of government to do theirs.

Then let the chips fall where they may.

Instead, we keep passing a token appease-the-base bill, then going out of our way to try to talk Obama and Co. up from zero on an entirely separate measure that in no way resembles the bill that was passed.

112 105 Although I respect Paul Ryan and his budget, why is the budget always balanced by medicare, medicaid social security or defense??  Why don't we balance it by limiting foreign aid, or congressional travel and staff?  Or even the departments of energy and education?
------------------ Because foreign aid and congressional travel don't amount to jack. Because eliminating the DOEs x2 doesn't have the kind of support it should. But mostly because Medicare, Medicaid and SS come out at night. Mostly.

113
speaking of the feds sticking their nose into our cyberspace...
============================================

The Department of Justice in a court filing Wednesday in New Haven District Court announced an unprecedented “reverse hack” to remove a password-stealing computer virus from more than 2.3 million infected computers worldwide.

The virus, known as Coreflood, exploits vulnerable, unpatched Windows systems.

...

Coreflood records every keystroke of the infected machine, transmitting personal information such as user names, passwords, and the contents of emails and documents back to the main virus server for analysis by criminals who can then gain access to the victimÂ’s bank and email accounts. 

...

TodayÂ’s court ruling gives the government the authority to intercept traffic from the infected machines by impersonating the central virus servers.

...

The government says that any personal information sent from infected machines to their servers will be discarded.

“These actions to mitigate the threat posed by the Coreflood botnet are the first of their kind in the United States and reflect our commitment to being creative and proactive in making the Internet more secure,” said Shawn Henry, Executive Assistant Director of the FBI’s Criminal, Cyber, Response and Services Branch.

114 109 At least the Progressive Plan with $16T worth of tax increases failed miserably. Even a number of Dems couldn't vote for that one.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby, looking for a silver lining at April 15, 2011 03:47 PM (uVLrI)

Driving the country over a cliff without even taking the scenic route is "progress".

115 Tell me at least obamacare was defunded in this budget that will die in the senate.  Tell me they kept that promise.

Yes-- repealed and defunded.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 15, 2011 03:37 PM (uVLrI)

Excellent news there. Now we get to see if they have any stones, cuz that's what it will take to keep that part in.

116 How you folks liking my protege, John Boehner?

117 If they really wanted to fix it wouldn't they just shut it down by not extending the debt ceiling?

Pros and cons to this?

118 So when do they vote to raise the debt ceiling, thereby avoiding TEH ECONOMIC ARMAGEDDONZ!!!!!!!!1?

119 Any compromise between driving over a cliff and stopping is still driving over a cliff. In a situation like this, the initial position has to be so extreme that the compromise means something useful.

120 Morons & Moronettes, please reconcile yourself to the fact that both parties will vote for restraint about five minutes after the U.S. government is no longer able to borrow or print acceptable notes for payment for its various boondoggles.

They'll become very conservative then, I promise. DOOOOOOOOOOOM!

121 OT: 

Results from Wisconsin counties show a conservative state Supreme Court justice has won re-election in a race seen as a referendum on Republican Gov. Scott Walker's divisive union rights law.

County tallies show Justice David Prosser defeated JoAnne Kloppenburg by 7,316 votes out of nearly 1.5 million votes cast.

http://tinyurl.com/3vobm9e

122 >>Although I respect Paul Ryan and his budget, why is the budget always balanced by medicare, medicaid social security or defense?? Take a look at the percentage of spending on those 4 areas. You could literally cut all discretionary spending to 0 and we would still be on an unsustainable path. http://tinyurl.com/3pfxcwr

123
How about this?

Speaker Boehner reinstates PAYGO and says to Obama and Democrats: if you want to increase spending more than the 2009 levels, then YOU propose a tax for paying for it.

124 Great news.  I just provided valuable leadership on my household budget.  I/we decided that this fiscal year we will be able to swing a $225,000 deficit.  I just have to notify my creditors.  I am PSYCHED!

125

Just in the last 3 years, the United States CHARGED AND DID NOT PAY FOR more than 10% of all of the wealth in the ENTIRE WORLD.

That's why I'm angry all the time.

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at April 15, 2011 03:06 PM (GKQDR)

No sense being angry about it - it upsets the digestion, and does nothing to solve the issue.

I'm assuming this view springs from the idea that the US is living large at the world's expense.  (please forgive me if I am misinterpreting what you're saying)  If that's the case, I would say first off that the US is responsible either directly or indirectly for most of the wealth production in the world.  Second, if the rest of the world is pissed, they can stop trading with us.  Stop taking our dollars if they're so worried.  Our inflation is not ideal, but compare it to the inflation in China!  And just watch what happens to the Euro in the next year.  We're not putting a gun to anybody's head and saying "Sell me your shit or die!"  Frankly the world owes us 10% of its wealth at the very least.  They should bow down low and thank us for allowing them to maintain their absurd, state-engineered, export economies.  Without the US market, global trade is annihilated over night.  Without the US market, major segments of mankind would be stuck at subistence living, back in their mud huts, rather than enjoying the fruits of modern life.   

We have serious problems to solve, but as for the rest of the world, they can go pound sand.  I'm not interested in their complaining.

126

Although I respect Paul Ryan and his budget, why is the budget always balanced by medicare, medicaid social security or defense??  Why don't we balance it by limiting foreign aid, or congressional travel and staff?  Or even the departments of energy and education?

Look at this pie chart.

All that stuff you mention = jack squat in the big picture.

And that red slice (interest) is gonna be the biggest piece of the pie in about 8 years.

127

As Joey Biden would say, that's a Big F'n Deal.

 

That's a damned lie. I said, "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

128 125 Great news.  I just provided valuable leadership on my household budget.  I/we decided that this fiscal year we will be able to swing a $225,000 deficit.  I just have to notify my creditors.  I am PSYCHED!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 15, 2011 03:57 PM (yQWNf)

If they're not swayed, tell them you'll cut 15k from that deficit, and in 10 years with compounding interest they should have their 225k back.

129 Instructions to fix the Federal Budget:

1. Load entire federal budget into a one spreadsheet and eliminate all other copies
2. Delete spreadsheet

See! I am total with Obama on his initiative to use technology to streamline government processes!

130 The update on this piece by Dan Foster is interesting:

UPDATE: How significant a victory for conservatives is the Ryan budget? Way back in January, a GOP aide inside the budgeting process told me that the Ryan folks had a two-by-two matrix of what they thought was possible to get in the budget. On the x-axis was whether non-defense discretionary spending would be rolled back to 2008 or 2006 levels. On the y-axis, whether or not the budget would make a serious attempt to tackle entitlements. At the time I told the aide the smart money was on a budget with 2006 spending levels and no entitlement reform, as it was far more politically palatable. The source expressed hope that I was wrong, but worried that I was right.

Well, I was wrong: The Ryan budget rolls back non-security discretionary spending to 2006 levels, and fundamentally reforms Medicare and Medicaid.

How did it happen?  One, the overlapping coalition of freshman, tea-partiers, and conservative stalwarts put their foot down and made leadership understand that they mean business. And two, President ObamaÂ’s proposed budget was a joke, leaving an opening for a bold GOP plan.

131 122 OT: 

Results from Wisconsin counties show a conservative state Supreme Court justice has won re-election in a race seen as a referendum on Republican Gov. Scott Walker's divisive union rights law.

County tallies show Justice David Prosser defeated JoAnne Kloppenburg by 7,316 votes out of nearly 1.5 million votes cast.

http://tinyurl.com/3vobm9e       Hehe. How soon before union scum in WI begin to set themselves on fire in front of the state capitol? Need to DVR that.

132 The Dems were counting on them making fools of themselves by having to switch votes.

They should have done the unexpected and passed the damn thing. Let the Senate sit on it.

It doesn't matter what you do - you're going to be accused of trying to do in autistic children and old people. For crying out loud, they are spending more in 2011 than in 2010, yet still being accused of throwing grandma and little disabled Joey under the damn bus.

They still haven't grasped the concept that the media is not on their side. Fuck it. Revel in it and make these cocksuckers in the media squirm. If you stick to principals that are valid, the rest tends to work itself out.

133
M80: Heath Shuler didn't vote for it? Are you as surprised by this as I am?

134 117 How you folks liking my protege, John Boehner?

Posted by: Denny Hastert at April 15, 2011 03:51 PM (K/USr)

Great.  They'll self-destruct before long. Tea Party are just insolent babies. They are incabable of leading. John Boner sucks!!!

135 We need Nancy Pelosi (R).

We have John Boehner (C)*

*Crying party

136 Here is a novel idea, why don't we focus on wringing every last wasted dollar out of the rest of the budget before we tackle entitlement reform.  That way it is a much easier sell to the public that granny isn't going to get her meds because the mean old Congress.  As long as there is one dollar of waste in the rest of the budget, it is going to be a really tough sell that granny needs to foot her own way.  I am purposely being snotty to prove a point.  We still have billions in waste in the other parts of the government, including defense, so the squishes are going to prevent any savings period.  We need to chop everything to the bone before we touch granny's medicare.  If we slice everything down to the bare minimum then you have a really good leg to stand on for going after granny's medicare or raising taxes to cover the gap in cost.  Let the people truly see that even after gutting the rest that there still isn't enough money to cover entitlements, so either they get fixed or taxes need to be raised to cover the cost (those taxes won't just be on the rich either because after we soak them for 100% we still don't have enough).  This is the only way to wake up the people to this problem because otherwise they just think it is typical Washington double talk and BS.

137 Should have taken the 2008 budget and change the dates to 2012. Then say 'It starves and kills as many as Nancy did in 2008.' I can't believe they are voting to increase the defecit by another trillion. How can they now vote against raising the debt limit if they already passed a budget that does precisely that???

138
I was gonna say it's too bad Paul Ryan couldn't get a Democrat to co-sponsor his bill.

It would help insofar as it would be a little bit harder for Obama and the media to smear it as extreme or "tea party extreme."

139 134 M80: Heath Shuler didn't vote for it? Are you as surprised by this as I am?

According to both Politico and The Hill, the Dems were told to vote no, so they did. Shuler is a member of the Budget Committee and seems genuinely concerned about this issue, but he's still a Dem who believes revenues and higher spending solve problems.

140

#132 122

Its better to have loved and lost but it is great to hate and win!!!!!!!!!!!

141 #132 They would never do that. They'll engage in mass abortions to protest the bill, while screaming 'Scott Walker wants to starve illiterate children.'

142 Morons & Moronettes, please reconcile yourself to the fact that both parties will vote for restraint about five minutes after the U.S. government is no longer able to borrow or print acceptable notes for payment for its various boondoggles.

They'll become very conservative then, I promise. DOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Posted by: Fat Bald & Sassy at April 15, 2011 03:53 PM (uPJN

If things have to get that bad, it will be the fault of the Republicans.  They are the absolute worst campaigners, worst communicators, and most limp-wristed leaders the US has ever seen.  They are on the right side, yet have no strength, no will, no fire.  They practically give the game away to the enemy.

But that said, you'll probably be waiting a while to see the day that the government can't buy stuff.  I don't know about the rest of you, but my demand for dollars remains strong.  I'll give the government what it wants in exchange for those.  It's just a question of how many.  You see, I need dollars to pay my many taxes.  That's not likely to change any time soon.  If I don't pay those taxes, men with guns come to my door and take me away to a bad place.  Happily, just about everyone else also needs those dollars to pay taxes, so I will probably retain the ability to trade with most of those people in the form of dollars.

At base, the ability of the US government to impose tax in the money of its own making is the true source of the dollar's value.  No matter what modern nation you live in, you're a slave to its currency.

143 And another thing, how can be demand a balanced budget amendment in return for raising the debt ceiling when we just had a vote for a trillion dollar deficit?  Makes you think that the debt ceiling vote isn't going to go the fiscal conservatives way and we the people are going to get shafted again just like this little budget bill screw job.

144 If you don't cut mandatory spending to the bone while reforming entitlements, then you won't have a balanced budget. This budget makes a majority of its cuts from mandatory-- which is good-- but neither it nor Paul's budget nor RSC's slash entitlements as much as is needed.

145 Paul Ryan and John Boehner are just awful. You should primary themm, truly.

146

So are the Dems now the party of 'no? Or are they the party of 'present'?

 

There's the next TV ad:

"Last year, Dems didn't even bother submitting a budget. This year, see how seriously they take the budget process( cut to Hoyer running around, playing games). Finish with an estimate of how much Congress costs per day, noting that "one reason our debt is so high is because this is how they spend their time"

147

Anyone already see Michelle Malkin's post about AmeriCorps people signing up loads of people for food stamps? And...

More troublesome: AmeriCorps workers are themselves being encouraged to sign up for food stamp benefits — giving new meaning to “hands-on” (or rather, “hands-out”) experience.

Oy.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 15, 2011 02:57 PM (XdlcF)

Cloward Piven much?

148 They'll engage in mass abortions to protest the bill, while screaming 'Scott Walker wants to starve illiterate children.'

Posted by: blindside at April 15, 2011 04:05 PM (x7g7t)

I believe abortion is murder, but when libtards do it I'm tempted to look the other way.

And actually, you might be on to something in that last bit.  If you tell a kid he doesn't get any supper unless he finishes his reading lesson, that's prolly a good motivator to hit the books.  Maybe we SHOULD stave illiterate children.  Heck, that also helps fix the childhood obesity problem.  No Tubby - no ding dongs for you until you finish War and Peace. 

149

There's the next TV ad:

"Last year, Dems didn't even bother submitting a budget. This year, see how seriously they take the budget process( cut to Hoyer running around, playing games). Finish with an estimate of how much Congress costs per day, noting that "one reason our debt is so high is because this is how they spend their time"

 

Add in some shots of the Fleebaggers kicking up dirt in their minivan headed off to party at Best Western in Illinois.

150 They should abolish the ability to vote present. Too many of these lawmakers use it to sit on the fence, refuse to show-up for work, or use it for other tricks. Congresscretins should be forced to either vote aye or nay.

151

There's the next TV ad:

"Last year, Dems didn't even bother submitting a budget. This year, see how seriously they take the budget process( cut to Hoyer running around, playing games). Finish with an estimate of how much Congress costs per day, noting that "one reason our debt is so high is because this is how they spend their time"

 

Add in some shots of the Fleebaggers kicking up dirt in their minivan headed off to party at Best Western in Illinois.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at April 15, 2011 04:14 PM (GcCdF)

 

Yes yes!  Howzabout  a clip of O'Bumbles promising to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, ending with Judge Smails going "Well????????" 

152 151 They should abolish the ability to vote present. Too many of these lawmakers use it to sit on the fence, refuse to show-up for work, or use it for other tricks. Congresscretins should be forced to either vote aye or nay.

Sounds like a racist proposal to me, along with being only a mere gimmick politicians use to deceive their constituents...

/Wait a minute.

153

How about a constitutional amendment that states that congress and the president don't get paid in years running a deficit? 

 

Hahahahahahahaha!  I crack myself up. 

154 124
How about this?

Speaker Boehner reinstates PAYGO and says to Obama and Democrats: if you want to increase spending more than the 2009 levels, then YOU propose a tax for paying for it.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 15, 2011 03:57 PM (uFokq)

And this would be a deterent how?  /snark off

Nice hash btw :-)

155

121 Morons & Moronettes, please reconcile yourself to the fact that both parties will vote for restraint about five minutes after the U.S. government is no longer able to borrow or print acceptable notes for payment for its various boondoggles.

At some point, don't you have to ask--why should I care about saving Leviathan from collapse? Its hell bent on going over the cliff, so are the 52%ers. Let em have what they want, just focus on staying clear of the 'splosion when if comes to earth. If you are counting on SS or Medicare, that sucks, but you know better than to count on it. So long as the line is held on the taxes you pay to Leviathan, let it gorge and explode as it wishes.

Better to devote energy thinking about what comes next, than to waste it trying to protect the socialists from themselves.

156

@92: "Ryan's bill is a fine start. You want more? How about we concentrate on taking the Senate and the presidency next year."

To what point and purpose?  The GOP *HAD* the House, Senate, and White House, and couldn't/didn't cut anything.  They didn't eliminate anything.

157 151 They should abolish the ability to vote present. Too many of these lawmakers use it to sit on the fence, refuse to show-up for work, or use it for other tricks. Congresscretins should be forced to either vote aye or nay.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 15, 2011 04:18 PM (uVLrI)

"When it came time to save Social Security and Medicare, Congressman Blowhard voted present.

Congressman Blowhard -- present for special interests, but not present for you."

158 "Win the WH and you could have a balanced budget within 9 months. " HAHAHAHAHAHAHA;HA!!!! Good one, dude.

159 I'm beat.

How bout more of not-your-daddy's Herb Alpert

160

@105: "why is the budget always balanced by medicare, medicaid social security or defense??  Why don't we balance it by limiting foreign aid, or congressional travel and staff?  Or even the departments of energy and education?"

Because medicare, medicaid, social security, and defense are the biggest items.  Zeroing out foreign aid, congressional travel and staff, and the Energy and Education still wouldn't even make a dent, unless the others are cut, too.

161

To what point and purpose?  The GOP *HAD* the House, Senate, and White House, and couldn't/didn't cut anything.  They didn't eliminate anything.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 15, 2011 04:21 PM (xy9wk)

That was when there was a little moisture in the basement.

Now the water level is two inches from the electrical box.

162 On the bright side, think of all of the Red Chin-ee money that's gonna go up in smoke once the good ol' USA hits the debt default button. The free money fuckweasels that built this house of cards will desperately cast about for scapegoats to no avail, cuz da money they depend on for da power fix will be long gone.

Most of the world banking system will grudgingly refinance as long as our government agrees to starve widows and orphans along the lines of the current Democrat demagoguery.

A self-fulfilling prophecy, that. As a side benefit, the free money fuckweasels will be out of power for a good century or two; sadly, our side just won't be around to say "I told you so."

163

Yes yes!  Howzabout  a clip of O'Bumbles promising to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, ending with Judge Smails going "Well????????" 

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 15, 2011 04:19 PM (XBM1t)

That would be soooo good, but the GOP is much to cooth for that kind of biting snark.  Maybe Trump wouldn't have a problem with it though.  He seems to be serving that purpose right now, and the GOP is too damn stupid to see that's exactly why people are liking him!

164 "I don't think Ryan is a squishy sellout, far from it. But he, Boehner and the rest of the leadership can't get too far out in front of what will get at least 218 GOP votes."

Trump said almost exactly the same thing on Rush's broadcast today. I think Trump is correct to say that it's the President who should be leading this, and the R's who should be blocking. (Sadly, Trump also wet all McCain-ish, and made a big deal about getting along with the Dems.  No "defeat them" talk outta Trump's piehole.)

But that need for a leader isn't what we have (all credit to Ryan, but he's not in an actual "leadership" position yet), so someone--someone--has to show leadership, or the "throw them all out" BS begins to take hold. That should be Boehner. I agree with Rush's call to send budget resolution after budget resolution to the Dems and make them owners and keepers of this mess.  That's the only rational thing to do.

165 Starting to rethink my position that Democrats are concentrated evil and Republicans are diluted.

Voting for a trillion dollar deficit isn't very diluted.

166 Heh. "wet".  Ironic typo, that.

167 God forgive me for saying this. I hope that one of the PIGS nations and/or the EU comes apart. Perhaps perhaps that will be the clarion call, or at least the exhibit #1 in Ryan's training film: "avoiding fiscal V.D.; Stop sticking it in there or it will fall off"

168

Posted by: K~Bob at April 15, 2011 04:26 PM (L6o2V)

I hope trump has peakeked i dont want him to have more traction

169 "Voting for a trillion dollar deficit isn't very diluted."

Hooray for "our side" not being quite as mind-numbingly leftist as those damned, dirty leftists!

Golf claps for everyone.

170 158 151 "When it came time to save Social Security and Medicare, Congressman Blowhard voted present. Congressman Blowhard -- present for special interests, but not present for you."

The Rs may be cowards but the Dems just proved they're obstructionists who love Kabuki. Of course, the vote tally on the Garrett Amendment is still ugly for every Republican who changed their vote, but...it's just so messy. The conference refuses to endorse further measures earlier, they weaken their hand in drafting a budget, a number of Rs are still squeamish on the Ryan proposal, and some conservatives had to vote against a budget that would get ditched out of the gates versus one that has a slight chance of being workable. The whole entire thing is incredibly fucked-up; and I don't say that lightly.

171 This latest budget fiasco just goes to show that if we let idiots vote then we get what we deserve.  We continue to return the same dumb assholes to the Hill and keep expecting them to do something different.  We did a great job of putting out a bunch of liberal Democrats, but we did nothing to the big spending Republicans from the Bush Era. The Republicans had it all for six years and didn't fix a damn thing, so what makes you think they are going to do anything different now.  We need a whole new crop of testy, angry tea party bastards up on the Hill that aren't going to take shit from either side of the aisle.

172 It would help insofar as it would be a little bit harder for Obama and the media to smear it as extreme or "tea party extreme."

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 15, 2011 04:04 PM (uFokq)

You should not drink to excess this early in the day.

173 Flap, he's got a lot of desperate "Republicans" by the dangly bits. They want a savior, not a leader. Same Republican idiots that voted for Obama.

174 The whole entire thing is incredibly fucked-up; and I don't say that lightly.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 15, 2011 04:32 PM (uVLrI)

Well, I do declare!  Miss '80sBaby must have a bee in her bonnet to use such salty language.  Go get 'em!!

175 OT: Berlin said Smirnov had done research on the Internet to determine if Illinois had the death penalty, deciding to go through with VeselÂ’s murder when he discovered it does not.

But it isn't a deterrent.

176 The whole entire thing is incredibly fucked-up; and I don't say that lightly.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 15, 2011 04:32 PM (uVLrI)

The problem: There is no responsible Democrat anymore.  Not one.  They are all leftist assholes and most just want to see the country burn.

177
> 172 "We continue to return the same dumb assholes to the Hill and keep expecting them to do something different. "

That's why I'm not doing it anymore.  But mention that here, and you'll get called names.  Hey, it's all about winning!

Not anymore. It's about long-term survival.

178

Posted by: Reactionary at April 15, 2011 03:58 PM (xUM1Q)

Hi Reactionary.

No, it's not that the US is living large at the world's expense. Those that make and create the wealth deserve it. And you're right, the world is horribly worse off without the United States.

What I meant is that borrowing is at insane, unsustainable levels. You can't borrow 10% of the world's wealth every 3 years. Yet, in three years, the United States managed to borrow a tenth of the world's wealth and we have literally nothing to show for that $5 Trillion dollars.

If that money was spent on something tangible, something real, something that would make America much less energy dependant: nuclear plants, more Hoover damns, oil development across the country, SOMETHING, it would be less maddening. But by spending 1 / 10 th of the world's wealth over the last 3 years, we have nothing to show for it, no space stations, no trips to Mars, no clones of Scarlet Johannson, no weather machines, no death rays to scare our enemies - nothing.

Maddening, but as you said not good for the digestion.

 

 

179 Testy conference meeting this morning

I'm a bit surprised it was Bachmann after she reversed course on the deal so quickly, but it's still good she spoke her mind.

180 Flap, he's got a lot of desperate "Republicans" by the dangly bits. They want a savior, not a leader. Same Republican idiots that voted for Obama.

Posted by: K~Bob at April 15, 2011 04:33 PM (L6o2V)

I dont think that is why he is making traction in polls.

181 172 This latest budget fiasco just goes to show that if we let idiots vote then we get what we deserve.

Posted by: Sandy Salt at April 15, 2011 04:32 PM (iGZkF)

Universal suffrage + public education + political control of education + politically-driven media = DOOOM!

182 '80sBaby is irked. It's not just the salty language. Her prose is usually fine as silk. That one was full of bumpiness.

183

The problem: There is no responsible Democrat anymore.  Not one.  They are all leftist assholes and most just want to see the country burn.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 15, 2011 04:37 PM (T0NGe)

Exactly!   Most of the "moderate" Blue Dogs lost their seats in Nov 2010.  The "safe" seats returned the Weiners, Wasserman-Schultzs, Pelosis, Jackson-Lees, Franks, etc. ad nauseum.   Concentrated insanity.

184 "...in three years, the United States managed to borrow a tenth of the world's wealth and we have literally nothing to show for that $5 Trillion dollars."

I beg to differ.

185 Damm them rebubs are like shit through a goose, might smell as bad when this is all over too.

186 I may have to drink myself into a stupor until October 2012 because the BS level flying around the Hill makes the monkey cage at the zoo look tame.

187 I think the Trump factor right now is that he's not pussy-footing around with the media, and he is focus-grouping his every word.  People are sick of politic-speak and being owned by the likes of the View Shrews.  I hate to say it, but I think Trump's forceful character and straight spoken, no holds barred manner of speaking will resonate with with a lot of people.  The 2012 election will go to the person who can make people believe that they aren't just another squishy polictical animal, but someone who is willing to really fight for America - fight the left, fight the media, fight the Amercia haters, fight islam, fight bureaucrats, fight mother earth worship.  There's going to have to be some real fire in the belly and the backbone and will to use a big stick.  This may very well be our last chance. 

188 trump is a lib though.

189 177 The problem: There is no responsible Democrat anymore.  Not one.  They are all leftist assholes and most just want to see the country burn.

I knew how much Obama and his closest allies hate America, but to see some more sensible Dems act that way was disgusting. As a long-time political observer I've seen some nasty tricks played, but this one really takes the cake. The House was in chaos and the chair refused to do anything meaningful about this election ploy. RSC deserved a fair hearing and a fair vote.

190 I have a good analogy to show the relationship of Democrats and Republicans.

Remember the Harlem Globetrotters when they tour have a 'Opposing' team to 'play' against while they go about their wacky routines and act as the 'straight men' to the gags? The Generals I think they were named?

Well the Democrats are the Globetrotters and the Republican are the Generals.

Most of the long term Republicans play as if they're there to make the Democrats look good.

And they succeed so very well.

They know that all the squishy 'let's all get along' and 'big tent' and 'we have to win elections to make a difference' crowd will keep voting for them no matter how bad they act.

I think their strategy is going to backfire this time as the stakes are too high for a sham 'opposing' party.

191 I like the Donald attacking the Joker's BS back story and willing to name names.  I wonder if we are ready for another TV star in the WH.  He does know the ups and downs of business and how much government involvement screws things up, so he might just be the best shot we have at putting an outsider into the WH to kick Congress in the ass to actually fix this country.  He might actually call BS on at budget that has a trillion dollar deficit because you can't do that in the real world, only in DC.

192 189 trump is a lib though.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 15, 2011 04:48 PM (qDGqf)

Don't matter.  People will gravitate to him if he keeps up the verbal assaults.  People are craving that and it will sway many. 

193 Posted by: ÚÑÈ at April 15, 2011 04:54 PM (QGA1H) No, we don't want no stinkin' goats.

194

Posted by: Sandy Salt at April 15, 2011 04:51 PM (iGZkF)

You're shitting me right? Why do you want a democrat to be the gop nominee?

195 I really hope Palin goes back to the attack soon to get trump OUT. Didn't Tpaw and flip flopney announce? where are they? It shows how much they suck.

196 RE Obama's remarks caught on-mic:

"Coming back from Chicago Friday afternoon, White House press secretary Jay Carney said onboard Air Force One that what his boss said to donors last night is the same thing he said in public, and that Obama isnÂ’t embarrassed about any of it, the pool reported."

197

You're shitting me right? Why do you want a democrat to be the gop nominee?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 15, 2011 04:55 PM (qDGqf)

Hey, we're not called The Stupid Party for nothing!

198

Naturally, the Repubs aren't going to take advantage of the best opportunity they've had to cram the JEF's and Reid's refusal to pass Ryan's budget straight up their asses. They (the Repubs) should be wall-to-wall on every political talk show, news conference, and Flip camera lens they can find saying how irresponsible O and Reid are for still wanting to spend money we don't have.

Jeez Louise, when are they going to start fighting back against the progressive stoopid? All they need to say is the truth. How fucking difficult can that possibly be? What is so hard to adopt the MBM method of criticize, criticize, criticize, all the time, 24/7, 365 that this president is a jackwagon who wants to give our country away to the Chinese instead of doing what every household in America has to do, namely live within its' means with a balanced budget every single fucking month?

Damn, I need a beer. Sorry for the rant, y'all.

 

199 For Christ sakes, I would love anyone that would kick the Joker out of office and the Donald is about the only one in the damn race at the moment that has any stones to say the emperor has not clothes.  Hell no, I don't want a Dumocrat as the nominee, but I would like someone that has some actually leadership skills and can put two thoughts together that make any sense.  Haven't seen that out of any of the dumbasses running so far except Cain, but he hasn't risen to the full on national level yet. If anyone is thinking of voting for Romney they should have turn in their voter registration card because they are brain dead.  It seems like there are only two people in the news that are calling it like it is and that is the Donald and Michelle Bachmann.  Palin is AWOL and still not ready for prime time.  I am pissed because I don't have better choices then this, so sue me if I like a guy that is at least willing to throw himself against the media machine.

200 201, I got into it last night with someone about the Donald. I think he is smart and capable of hiring good people. That's what good execs do. Yes, he could be a great pres. However, I also agree he has some libtardness in him. The libtardness may not allow him to make life painful enough for the non- producers of this country to become producers.

201 I bet Palin is enjoying the vacation from the MFM since they are all after Teh Trump now for attacking their god. I'll never vote for him (unless he gets the nomination), but I enjoy him putting some knowlege out there to the same low-information voters that voted for Ø. You know, the Idol and Apprentice viewers.

202

Same old 'business-as-usual' Washington politics.  This time it's called 'deficit cutting', so they're giving the American people the tried'n-true

Sham-Poo treatment

Blather, mince, repeat.

Looks like something gets done, but really doesn't.

Time to crank up the "Recall Revolution" and get ALL of those clowns out...

203 why didn't they grab the 2007 budget, do a search and replace of 2007 with 2012...

That would be the right path to solvency...