January 12, 2011

Illinois Democrats Engage In Liberals Other Favorite Hobby: Raising Taxes
— DrewM

Sure, demonizing Sarah Palin and conservatives in general is fun but it's just a means to an end...increased Democrat control of government and society. And what do Democrats do when they are in charge? Raise taxes! A lot.

Democratic Illinois lawmakers beat a looming deadline and approved a 66 percent income-tax increase in a desperate bid to end the state's crippling budget crisis.

Legislative leaders rushed early Wednesday to pass the politically risky plan before a new General Assembly was sworn in at noon, taking a slice out of the Democratic majority and removing lame-duck lawmakers willing to support the tax before leaving office.

The rate increase might be the biggest any state has adopted in percentage terms while grappling with recent economic woes. Nevertheless, Illinois' tax rate would remain lower than in several other states in the region.

The increase now goes to Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn, who supports the plan to temporarily raise the personal tax rate to 5 percent, a two-thirds increase from the current 3 percent rate. Corporate taxes also would climb as part of the effort to close a budget hole that could hit $15 billion this year.

...Quinn's office said the higher taxes will generate about $6.8 billion a year — a major increase by any measure.

It will be coupled with strict 2 percent limits on spending growth.

So taxes go through the roof but there'll be a "strict" (sound serious!) limit in NEW spending? How about, I don't know...CUTTING spending?

Oh and Illinois Democrats? Yeah, don't count all that new money just rolling in. Behold what Oregon's massive tax increase did for the state's coffers.

In 2009 the state legislature raised the tax rate to 10.8% on joint-filer income of between $250,000 and $500,000, and to 11% on income above $500,000. Only New York City’s rate is higher. Oregon’s liberal voters ratified the tax increase on individuals and another on businesses in January of this year, no doubt feeling good about their “shared sacrifice.”

Congratulations. Instead of $180 million collected last year from the new tax, the state received $130 million. The Eugene Register-Guard newspaper reports that after the tax was raised “income tax and other revenue collections began plunging so steeply that any gains from the two measures seemed trivial.”

One reason revenues are so low is that about one-quarter of the rich tax filers seem to have gone missing. The state expected 38,000 Oregonians to pay the higher tax, but only 28,000 did.

In soon to be related news...Illinois' neighbors in Wisconsin (led by a new Republican Governor) is cutting taxes and is "Open for Business".

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1 We're boned

Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at January 12, 2011 08:46 AM (S5YRY)

2 Huh, I must have missed the part in Pat Quinn's campaign where he promised to raise taxes by 66%. I mean, surely he told voters this was what he intended to do while running for office, right?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 12, 2011 08:46 AM (b0BN0)

3 We're boned.

Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at January 12, 2011 08:46 AM (S5YRY)

4 When the going gets tough, you simply raise your salary. Don't you people know anything?

Posted by: Chicago School of Economics at January 12, 2011 08:48 AM (FcR7P)

5

It will be coupled with strict 2 percent limits on spending growth.

Whaddya wanna bet there are "Emergency exceptions" to that "strict" 2% spending growth rule?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 12, 2011 08:49 AM (b0BN0)

6 At least we didn't elect a President from Illinois...oh wait. Yeah, boned.

Posted by: Whatever at January 12, 2011 08:51 AM (hF6Nm)

7 Quinn won election only carrying Cook County, and maybe East St. Louis. Every other county went Republican. The jagoffs in Cook County would vote for Vlad the Impaler if he ran on the Democrat ticket. And, big surprise, just about all the money this tax increase brings will flow to Cook County. So, business as usual in the Big Sleazy.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 12, 2011 08:52 AM (2PTT7)

8 Hate to tell ya, but the new GOP could easily go down this road. We already saw a huge tax increase on estates this year on account of the "deal." Anyone think the next Federal budget (whenever it happens, or is it CR for the next two years?) will actually be smaller than last year's? With baseline budgeting in place? And what about all the money that was sunk into FNMA and FMAC? Those are officially not included in debt levels. Noted in CDR M's article on stealth bailout from the sidebar: ...Fannie and Freddie can be used in the future as a mechanism for the Fed (with government complicity) to transfer the bad assets to the taxpayers. Since the GOEs (government owned enterprises) are off balance sheet to the federal debt, the deception can be hidden from less discerning observers.

Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 08:53 AM (AZGON)

9 Hey IL businesses,

Not sure that you know this, but in a stunning change of heart, we, the residents of Michigan, elected a new pro business governor. Honest. And right now, if you can believe this, our taxes are less than IL, and we're not so far if you're thinking of relocating....

Love,

The State of MI

Posted by: shibumi at January 12, 2011 08:53 AM (OKZrE)

10 Karma, FIBS.

Posted by: gary gulrud at January 12, 2011 08:53 AM (/g2vP)

11 Maryland did the same thing a few years ago and also ended up with millions less in the coffers.

Posted by: CDR M at January 12, 2011 08:54 AM (cqZXM)

12 >>>66 percent income-tax increase !!!!!

Posted by: Robert_Paulson at January 12, 2011 08:54 AM (NhcdH)

13 Loving your new stuff, CDR M.

Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 08:55 AM (AZGON)

14 The jagoffs in Cook County would vote for Vlad the Impaler if he ran on the Democrat ticket.

To be fair, a lot of Cook County voters have no control over their votes because they're dead.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 12, 2011 08:55 AM (4ucxv)

15 To be fair, a lot of Cook County voters have no control over their votes because they're dead. That must be why voting booths in Illinois so often smell of embalming fluid.

Posted by: George Orwell at January 12, 2011 08:56 AM (AZGON)

16 Karma, FIBS.
Posted by: gary gulrud
-------
Fuck you.  We'll take our tourism dollars elsewhere.  No more fried cheese curds on our way to Lake Geneva!  No more trips to Door County!  Hahahaha.. have a Brandy Manhattan on me, sucker!

I'm moving to Indiana anyway.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 12, 2011 08:59 AM (f9c2L)

17 Raising the rates to 5% is through the roof???

Its 7% here and has been for decades.

Posted by: Vic at January 12, 2011 09:01 AM (M9Ie6)

18 I, however, am in Texas.  Here, by Constitutional Amendment, Texas must have a zero-based balanced budget.  That means we start with a list of necessary items and move on down through the "nice" ones until there's no more money.

Which is not to say the government doesn't look to tax increases to keep funding levels the same from session to session, but the tax increases tend to be much smaller.  And, with 101 Republicans in the State House, we may not have any tax increase or new fees at all this time.

Take that Illinois.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 12, 2011 09:03 AM (8y9MW)

19 Me too, Jerry.
(At least, I'd LIKE to.)

Posted by: Cathy at January 12, 2011 09:04 AM (Y/X5L)

20 Circle squared:

Chicago's Daley says he's coming after Oregon business
Published: Friday, January 29, 2010
The Oregonian

Chicago Mayor Richard Daley says he's fixing to recruit Oregon businesses now that the state made the blunder of waging "class war" by passing measures to tax higher-income Oregonians and corporations.

“It will help our economic development immediately," Daley told the Chicago Sun-Times. "You’d better believe it. We’ll be out in Oregon enticing corporations to relocate to Chicago. I’ll be very frank. I make no bones about that. If those states want to do that, so be it."

It's one thing to hear such sentiments from the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, but another from Daley, a lifelong Democrat from President Obama's home town.  And Daley's rhetoric certainly appears pitched to Oregon businesspeople upset at passage of the measures.

“What happened in Oregon is not good news for Oregon. They believe that anybody who makes $125,000 or more [annually] or businesses or anyone who makes $250,000 — they’re gonna start taxing them. They call them ‘rich people,’ ” the mayor said.

“I’ve always thought America stands for [rewarding success]. You finish high school. You work hard, go to college and you hope to succeed in life. I never knew it’s a class war—that those who succeed in life are the ones that have to bear all the burden. I never realized that. It will be a whole change in America that those who succeed and work hard [that] we’re gonna tax ‘em more than anyone else.”

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 12, 2011 09:04 AM (o2L+O)

21 We do things differently out here. We live in paradise and there is no day of reckoning. Of course, when there is no one left but undocumented guests from the fine nations to our south, the paradise will be complete.

Posted by: Clownifornian, dreaming at January 12, 2011 09:06 AM (AZGON)

22 Hey IL businesses,

Ignore MI we have no corporate or personal income tax.

Come to Sioux Falls South Dakota.


Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2011 09:06 AM (tf9Ne)

23 No more trips to Door County!

And I-43 is already safer!

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 12, 2011 09:08 AM (4ucxv)

24 I miss Wyoming.
4% sales tax, 0% state income tax,  no traffic, beautiful country, no lines at the DMV (I was seriously the only person in the building when I went in to renew my DL one day), etc.

Posted by: Cathy at January 12, 2011 09:09 AM (Y/X5L)

25 Income tax increase didn't work?  OK, let's try....

Oregon's Jan. 1 gas-tax increase causes spike in pump prices
Tuesday, January 04, 2011
The Oregonian

Some state lawmakers predicted that oil companies would adjust prices downward so that consumers wouldn't feel sucker-punched by Oregon's 6-cent-a-gallon gas tax increase on Jan. 1.

Apparently, that was wishful thinking.

The average price of a gallon of regular unleaded gasoline in Oregon has jumped 6 cents to $3.14 since last week, according to data released Tuesday by the AAA of Oregon and Idaho.

In Idaho, competition in Pocatello has driven the price of a gallon of gas below $2.60 a gallon at several stations.

The national average, meanwhile, gained nearly three cents to $3.07.

Nationally, said AAA spokeswoman Marie Dodds, surging crude oil prices are to blame for climbing prices at the pump. Crude oil is trading around $90 per barrel, up from about $70 last summer. Many analysts expect crude to reach $100 in 2011.

The 6-cent increase in Oregon's gas tax, part of the Jobs and Transportation Act passed by the 2009 Legislature, took effect on New Year's Day.

The gas tax, which has been at 24 cents a gallon since 1993, will help raise $300 million a year for state, county and city road and highway projects. By comparison, the gas tax in Washington state is 37.5 cents per gallon, and 46.6 cents per gallon in California (the nation's highest).

Sponsors of the transportation act bill predicted that oil companies would lower wholesale prices to the Northwest to keep consumers coming to the pump. Several economists, however, scoffed at the notion, saying drivers have shown a willingness to pay much more, which has eliminated the market's responsiveness.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 12, 2011 09:10 AM (o2L+O)

26 I, however, am in Texas.  Here, by Constitutional Amendment, Texas must have a zero-based balanced budget.


Blasphemy! Haven't you read my column, wingnut!!1!

Posted by: Paul Krugman at January 12, 2011 09:11 AM (+hVrU)

27 I'm going to show you why America is screwed: All my leftist friends who live in Illinois are all on Facebook whining about the taxes and saying they're going to move. Some of them will. When they move to your conservative states they will then vote for the exact same leftist policies that caused the huge debt and massive tax hikes.

Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 09:11 AM (6ftzF)

28

DEAR ILLINOIS BUSINESSES:

Stop in Oklahoma on your way to Texas.  Check it out.  Stay a while.

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 12, 2011 09:12 AM (yjWUo)

29 We can't afford to pay for your current tax rates.

You're going to pay it and like it and if you complain, you're responsible for the shooting deaths in Tuscon

Posted by: IL Democrats at January 12, 2011 09:12 AM (vdfwz)

30

chalk another one up to a lame-duck legislature and middle of the night voting.

words can not express my anger...

Posted by: Shoey at January 12, 2011 09:13 AM (ehKDD)

31

All my leftist friends who live in Illinois are all on Facebook whining about the taxes and saying they're going to move. Some of them will.

When they move to your conservative states they will then vote for the exact same leftist policies that caused the huge debt and massive tax hikes.

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Colorado at January 12, 2011 09:14 AM (OlN4e)

32 This is bracing news. Yay, Cook County- you am all so ver' special.

Reason #3,456 I am happy I moved the hell outta Chicago down to Texas.


Posted by: Asian Carp Tsar (now with Kung fu grip!) at January 12, 2011 09:14 AM (KM+vI)

33

Colorado is going full tilt UNION.

Say hello to the suck, Colorado economic outlook.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 12, 2011 09:15 AM (0fzsA)

34 They never learn.

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at January 12, 2011 09:15 AM (GBXon)

35 Hi Illinois businesses....

Wanna move just 3 hours south?

wink wink,

Love,

Indianapolis, Indiana

Posted by: Mitch Daniels at January 12, 2011 09:16 AM (ph9vn)

36 Happens every time the raise taxes on "the rich", Rich people can afford to move. If you over-tax them, they find a state that won't.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 12, 2011 09:16 AM (zqzYV)

37

Just wait until Rham gets in as mayor-for-life.

oho - you folks in Illinois ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 12, 2011 09:17 AM (0fzsA)

38 Several economists, however, scoffed at the notion... Only several? O/T: where'd the robot voices go? That was a funny one.

Posted by: t-bird at January 12, 2011 09:17 AM (FcR7P)

39 If Illinois would just institute a corruption tax, all their problems would be solved.

Posted by: nickless at January 12, 2011 09:18 AM (MMC8r)

40 Hi Illinois businesses....

Wanna move just 3 hours south?

wink wink,

Love,

Indianapolis, Indiana


Our Mafia is slashing prices!

Come To Missouri!

Posted by: nickless at January 12, 2011 09:19 AM (MMC8r)

41 i'll bet dollars for dimes that the state will not collect anywhere close to 6.8 billion, in fact, i'll guess that overall tax revenue for the state will actually decrease.

Posted by: Shoey at January 12, 2011 09:20 AM (ehKDD)

42

echo 38

 

That was epic

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 12, 2011 09:20 AM (fLHQe)

43 The only thing missing from this post is a noose.

Posted by: a uncivil spirit of divisiveness and intolerance at January 12, 2011 09:20 AM (S5YRY)

44

The gas tax, which has been at 24 cents a gallon since 1993, will help raise $300 million a year for state, county and city road and highway projects.

 

Sure it will, tucked away in a nice lockbox

Posted by: Flammenwerfer at January 12, 2011 09:21 AM (FIDMq)

45 My eyes! They no longer see! (Those disappeared posts...)

Posted by: CJ at January 12, 2011 09:22 AM (9KqcB)

46 ** waves from across the state line in Paul Ryan's district**

Hey.  Elections have consequences. 


Posted by: mama winger at January 12, 2011 09:22 AM (KDX07)

47 Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 12, 2011 01:17 PM (0fzsA) Yeah, as bad a Dalely was he came out against this tax hike. Said it would drive business out of state. That type of speech is typically verboten amongst the left. Rahm is going to turn Chicago into Detroit. I was already planning to move. This only strengthened that resolve. I've got my eye on coastal Texas or Florida. I'm done with snow and want to be near the ocean.

Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 09:23 AM (6ftzF)

48 I'm liking Wisconsin more and more.
If and when we ever do have the National AoSHQ Meetup, let's do it in Wisconsin.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 12, 2011 09:23 AM (PaSAU)

49 Where is the other thread?

((waving))

hi runningrn!

Thanks for asking about Mom in the disappeared thread.

She is having a very difficult time right now, not sure of what is going to happen. Any and all prayers are welcome and very much appreciated!

Posted by: shibumi at January 12, 2011 09:23 AM (OKZrE)

50 48 I'm liking Wisconsin more and more.
If and when we ever do have the National AoSHQ Meetup, let's do it in Wisconsin.

I thought the agreed place was East Saint Louis?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 12, 2011 09:24 AM (9hSKh)

51 Okay...so it's not just me...you're not seeing what I'm not seeing, right??

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 12, 2011 09:24 AM (XdlcF)

52

Democrats will never ever ever ever admit the truth – raising taxes do the opposite of what they ant.  Raising taxes can shoot down revenue and kill jobs. No matter, itÂ’s all about control.

 Leftists only know how to think in the linear.  They believe with raging blind faith that raising taxes is an automatic way to fill the stateÂ’s coffers with welfare state big government goodness. 

Leftists hate the individual - they love the collective.  Leftists don't trust the individual, they only trust the totalitarian fascist control of a big government "other".

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 12, 2011 09:26 AM (0fzsA)

53

Well, it's 9% less than what they were contemplating earlier.  75% was the number bandied about. 

I wonder if Boeing will move their corperate HQ now.  They left WA for IL a while back.

Also, OR raised their taxes (with a special tax on the "wealthy") and their tax revenues were a lot less last year than the year before.  The problem with these idiots in government, they think of revenue in static terms.  They don't think that anyone would ever leave.  I'm sure that the Dems will work on legislation that will force businesses and the wealthy to stay in highly taxed states because they are liberal bastions.  I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Posted by: runningrn at January 12, 2011 09:26 AM (ihSHD)

54 did a whole thread disappear? oh and the nut job didn't even watch tv didn't like the news and didn't listen to talk radio......so.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 12, 2011 09:27 AM (eOXTH)

55 Posted by: rdbrewer at January 12, 2011 01:12 PM (yjWUo)

If you stop, you may never get out.
After all, the only reason Texas hasn't fallen into the gulf is that Oklahoma sucks.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 12, 2011 09:27 AM (8y9MW)

56
Typical.

Anti-Tax, Anti-Government wingnuts.


Posted by: Soothsayer3P0 at January 12, 2011 09:28 AM (6cqZX)

57

Thanks for asking about Mom in the disappeared thread.

She is having a very difficult time right now, not sure of what is going to happen. Any and all prayers are welcome and very much appreciated!

Drats!  I'm sorry to hear that.  I will continue to keep you guys in my thoughts and prayers.  Keep us all posted on what's going on.

Posted by: runningrn at January 12, 2011 09:28 AM (ihSHD)

58 The Oregon tax example is even better - the increase in income tax was made retroactive, so it was harder to avoid. The revenue shortfall will be even bigger this year. It's especially amusing, given that in Portland, you can just move across the river to Washington and pay **no** income tax. You have to move your employment too (Oregon taxes people who work in the state), but I know a number of consultants who have done just that.

Posted by: Oregon Is Dumber Than Dirt at January 12, 2011 09:29 AM (QgAFR)

59 Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 01:23 PM (6ftzF)

Then, as much as I love Texas (Read: the most awesome State God gave Man), I'd have to say Florida may be a better choice.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 12, 2011 09:30 AM (8y9MW)

60 Liberals put the fuckin' in Fuckin' Stoopid.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 09:30 AM (eCAn3)

61 OR's gas tax is still lower than ours (WA).  The gas there is cheaper and someone pumps it for you.  (NJ and OR don't allow people to pump their own gas). 

Posted by: runningrn at January 12, 2011 09:31 AM (ihSHD)

62

...but monkeys are banned

I'm still trying to convince IN or MO to invade my section of the state and claim us as accquired territory.

Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 09:32 AM (5/yRG)

63 Sorry to hear about your mom; hope everything works out in the end.

Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 09:33 AM (5/yRG)

64 27 I'm going to show you why America is screwed:

All my leftist friends who live in Illinois are all on Facebook whining about the taxes and saying they're going to move. Some of them will.

When they move to your conservative states they will then vote for the exact same leftist policies that caused the huge debt and massive tax hikes. Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 01:11 PM

Tell them to move to California, it's not like they'd make it any worse. Lots of young people who don't live there think California is Utopia anyway, so they'll probably do it

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2011 09:34 AM (vdfwz)

65

It's especially amusing, given that in Portland, you can just move across the river to Washington and pay **no** income tax. You have to move your employment too (Oregon taxes people who work in the state), but I know a number of consultants who have done just that

Yeah, the retroactive thing was just evil.  We dodged a bullet with our last election.  Bill Gates Sr. was shilling for a state income tax "on the wealthy".  Luckily, even the idiots in King County, WA's most populous county (who fraudulently elected Governor Fraudoire in 2004) voted it down. 

Posted by: runningrn at January 12, 2011 09:34 AM (ihSHD)

66 She is having a very difficult time right now, not sure of what is going to happen. Any and all prayers are welcome and very much appreciated!

Posted by: shibumi at January 12, 2011 01:23 PM (OKZrE)


God bless and keep her.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at January 12, 2011 09:34 AM (eCAn3)

67 The increase now goes to Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn, who supports the plan to temporarily raise the personal tax rate to 5 percent, a two-thirds increase from the current 3 percent rate. Corporate taxes also would climb as part of the effort to close a budget hole that could hit $15 billion this year.

I wonder what Boeing now thinks of its decision to move their HQ to Chicago...?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 12, 2011 09:34 AM (nD3Pg)

68 Quinn will make deals with any BIG business, like Boeing, who threaten to move. So this tax falls right on the working man, small business.

WI does look good. We'll be taking our IL unemployment check up there to look for work.

Anyone want to buy a hovel in the country with enough wood stored for several winters?

Posted by: Lizabth at January 12, 2011 09:34 AM (JZBti)

69 OTOH, this may just light such a fire of anger, IL might turn red.Whoops..was that violent?

Posted by: Lizabth at January 12, 2011 09:35 AM (JZBti)

70

Besides losing out on tax revenue when companies leave a state, there's the loss of accompanying jobs and workers (thus the state loses out on more tax revenue).  Idiot Demotards.

Posted by: runningrn at January 12, 2011 09:35 AM (ihSHD)

71 On Monday when Quinn was sworn in that night he had a big party to celebrate and the Illinois Dems all turned out. Hmmm..didn't the MFM say inappropriate it was for Republicans on Capital Hill to have a party considering how bad the economy is? After that the Dims, who has promised the unions everything and more, decide they have to "grow up" about this and get serious about the state's financial problems by passing tax increases. There will not be one cent of spending cuts. And the dumbfucks who voted for them are now all upset that the idiots they elected are raising their taxes. But I'm sure come the next election the same corrupt bastards will get re-elected because Illinois just can't have any of those EVIL Republicans elected. Unless it's a total squish like that pussy Mark Kirk

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 12, 2011 09:36 AM (1Jaio)

72 All the people who oppose paying more of their fair share in taxes and want to move out are stupid violent teabaggers

Our state will become smarter and safer along with all the extra money we'll get, so it's win-win!

Posted by: IL Democrats at January 12, 2011 09:36 AM (vdfwz)

73 64  This is what encourages me (besides the unlikelihood that our house would ever sell) to just wait this out.  Pretty soon they may all leave...

Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 09:36 AM (5/yRG)

74

Hey, look! Seems like we can spend and spend and not increase taxes somehow...I'm sure that will work out just fine...

 

Once again, Gov. Bobby Jindal is saying, "One thing we absolutely will not do to balance the budget in 2011 is raise taxes on our people."

With Louisiana facing a $2 billion shortfall that he and legislators failed to address last year, the choice is increasing revenue and/or sweeping reductions in state services.

... 

Last session, lawmakers revived an estimated $30 million in pet projects — including earmarks for museums, senior centers, water and sewage systems and an array of other local projects — in the final minutes of the session while health care and higher education faced layoffs.

*****

Gov. Bobby Jindal has told higher education leaders to plan for budget cuts of less than 10 percent in state funds next year. 

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 12, 2011 09:37 AM (XdlcF)

75 Not that anybody on that side of the river has any income to tax, but while you're here getting cheap cigs and gas you might want to check out our bargain priced real estate.....

Posted by: TBinSTL at January 12, 2011 09:37 AM (od3xr)

76

All my leftist friends who live in Illinois are all on Facebook whining about the taxes and saying they're going to move. Some of them will.

When they move to your conservative states they will then vote for the exact same leftist policies that caused the huge debt and massive tax hikes. Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 01:11 PM

 

Yup, that's what happened here in WA. All the Californians moved up here in the 80'sbecause of the inflated housing down there.  Not only did they drive up our housing prices, but they turned this state deep blue.


Posted by: runningrn at January 12, 2011 09:37 AM (ihSHD)

77

Congratulations. Instead of $180 million collected last year from the new tax, the state received $130 million.

I'm gonna go ahead and laugh.

Libs never really did have a good grasp on that whole cause and effect thing did they?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 12, 2011 09:39 AM (2C9Yx)

78 See, most folk in IL have just skated along, enjoying their 3% income tax rate, esp non-property owners in CHI and burbs. This changes that. And when the progs can't afford their arugula, watch out! They may just see red.

Posted by: Lizabth at January 12, 2011 09:39 AM (JZBti)

79 75 Oh...it's been done, believe me.  Trouble is that pesky bit with nobody wanting to move here (thus getting our place sold).  I need to win the lotto.

Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 09:39 AM (5/yRG)

80

If you try to explain any of this to a liberal, they'll just shrug and talk about the next tax that is better, or that this is why the federal government should tax rather than states, or that this is why the VAT is better, or whatever is the tax flavor of the month.

Liberals see a 14 trillion dollar economy an as opportunity not as an outcome of particular cultural values, public policies, and legal institutions.

Posted by: Paper at January 12, 2011 09:39 AM (VoSja)

81

With Louisiana facing a $2 billion shortfall that he and legislators failed to address last year, the choice is increasing revenue and/or sweeping reductions in state services.

 

How much of this, if any, was due to the Dear Leader banning oil drilling last year?

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 12, 2011 09:41 AM (R2fpr)

82 And in other news, Dem congressman shows just how sexist he can be:

"You know, Sarah Palin just can't seem to get it, on any front. I think she's an attractive person, she is articulate," Clyburn said on the Bill Press radio show. "But I think intellectually, she seems not to be able to understand what's going on here."

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 12, 2011 09:41 AM (xQAv5)

83 69 Judging from the results of the last election, IL did pretty much go bright red...except for a few key counties...

Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 09:43 AM (5/yRG)

84 True 'nuff, and this might be Chi's 'Obama' moment.

Kinda like the thing that you can't believe you were stupid enough to do, and want to correct ASAP.

Even Mayor Daley is ripping the dems for this stinker. That's a step in the right direction. This'll hit city dwellers hard, and wake some up.



Posted by: Lizabth at January 12, 2011 09:46 AM (JZBti)

85 Esp if CHI get the 60% property tax increases to fund the 'pension reforms', bwhahaha.

One good thing about living out in the sticks, in IL. Our property taxes aren't linked to a municipality.

For the land we have, they're pretty cheap. Farm lobby protects us a bit.

Posted by: Lizabth at January 12, 2011 09:48 AM (JZBti)

86

All my leftist friends who live in Illinois are all on Facebook whining about the taxes and saying they're going to move. Some of them will.

When they move to your conservative states they will then vote for the exact same leftist policies that caused the huge debt and massive tax hikes.

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Colorado at January 12, 2011 01:14 PM (OlN4e)

 

Yeah, no kidding.

Posted by: New Hampshire at January 12, 2011 09:50 AM (4df7R)

87

How much of this, if any, was due to the Dear Leader banning oil drilling last year?

I do not know. Will investigate a bit. But I like hearing this:

According to Coldwell Banker CEO Jim Gillespie, Shreveport's real estate market is a rare bright spot in an otherwise gloomy national scene. 

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 12, 2011 09:50 AM (XdlcF)

88

Dear Illinois Business:

We got the reddest of carpets in Oklahoma.

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 12, 2011 09:50 AM (yjWUo)

89

After all, the only reason Texas hasn't fallen into the gulf is that Oklahoma sucks.

Naw, Texas blows.  They always reverse that.

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 12, 2011 09:52 AM (yjWUo)

90

Demography is destiny. Illinois has a large foreign born population and the minority population is around 35%. This is excluding gay, white voters and making no correction for the large number of liberal voters in Chicago (the urban effect). This means that there is a huge base for Democratic politicians in statewide elections. Even factoring in lower voter participation by minority voters given past voting patterns by race, it is nearly impossible to imagine anything nearing a conservative candidate winning a statewide election.

This doesn't change without either:

(1) Minority voters abandoning the Democratic Party in large numbers

(2) Republican politicians winning well over 65% or more of the white vote in elections

I don't see how this is possible except in a midterm election.

Posted by: Paper at January 12, 2011 09:52 AM (VoSja)

91

Dear Illinois Business:

In Oklahoma the waving wheat sure smells sweet, when the wind comes right behind the rain!

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 12, 2011 09:53 AM (yjWUo)

92

Dear Illinois Business:

And in Oklahoma you'll still be on Route 66! 

Come on down the pike.

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 12, 2011 09:54 AM (yjWUo)

93

92 Careful, instead of the businesses you might wind up with hordes of disposed and by now completely broke Illinoisians flooding your borders.

Amnesty!!!!

Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 09:57 AM (5/yRG)

94 The increase now goes to Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn, who supports the plan to temporarily raise the personal tax rate to 5 percent, a two-thirds increase from the current 3 percent rate.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Don't you fucking love it when the commie left says that a tax is "temporary"

Yeah, I see the repeal of that tax increase in the future.  "If we lowered the personal tax rate back to the previous level it would cost eleventy billion dollars.  We need another revenue stream" 

Posted by: Hedgehog at January 12, 2011 09:57 AM (Rn2kl)

95 Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 12, 2011 01:17 PM (0fzsA) California? Nah, most of them are looking at Indiana. The border is right there. Sucks for you Hoosiers.

Posted by: Chicago Jedi at January 12, 2011 10:01 AM (6ftzF)

96 Ordinarily I would oppose it.  But, my dad has a state pension and they voted for these douchebags and anyway I don't live there anymore, so fuck 'em.

Posted by: mongo78 at January 12, 2011 10:04 AM (2b46R)

97

"We had an emergency, a fiscal emergency," Quinn said during a statehouse news conference this morning, just hours after the state Senate voted to send him the tax legislation.

 
"Our house was burning," Quinn said. "Our fiscal house was burning."

 

You and the Dims set the fire you asshole and now you're claiming the only solution is to throw gas on the fire.

 

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 12, 2011 10:09 AM (1Jaio)

98

96 When it happens in your state I'll remember to return the feeling -- this is another reason why the country is boned.

Do you think all those liberals in IL are going to stay put once the payment is due?  No, they'll move, and it won't just be the wealthy ones -- eventually, when the gravy train runs out all the welfare lifers (not people who are now forced onto it thanks to the economy -- the die hard professional ones) will move out to greener pastures too.  They may show up in your neighborhood, and they won't want to change their lifestyles any, because nobody has ever held them accountable (the whole: oh well, not my problem, la la la).


And that's an encouraging thought...that maybe there will be a mass exodus...in which case if I can perhaps I should stay put.

Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 10:11 AM (5/yRG)

99 "Congratulations. Instead of $180 million collected last year from the new tax, the state received $130 million. I'm gonna go ahead and laugh. Libs never really did have a good grasp on that whole cause and effect thing did they?" I repeatedly submitted comments to the online version of the Portland paper prior to the vote on the new taxes pointing out that the new taxes weren't going to collect anywhere the expected amount of money. After all, who could have possibly foreseen this?

Posted by: Oregon Is Dumber Than Dirt at January 12, 2011 10:11 AM (QgAFR)

100

This competition between the states will kill us all. The evil rich people just move around to avoid shared sacrifice. We need to centralize all taxation so every state is on an equal footing of screwedness. (I had a conscious dream about this morning.) We can do this under the 'Welfare Is Good' clause of the Constitution. Another dream I had showed me that people could buy an electric car instead of paying taxes, so don't tell me I'm not trying to help the economy!

 

Posted by: Ima Libidiot at January 12, 2011 10:14 AM (QFQ6n)

101

Gee, maybe I should move to Illinois. Here in California I pay 10% state income tax, along with 10% sales tax.

 

Posted by: Scott at January 12, 2011 10:14 AM (94iTV)

102  (NJ and OR don't allow people to pump their own gas). 

Posted by: runningrn at January 12, 2011 01:31 PM (ihSHD)

LOL- seriously?  Let me guess, they are all members of the Petroleum Transfer Technicians Union

Posted by: Flammenwerfer at January 12, 2011 10:20 AM (FIDMq)

103

101 ...and we just banned monkeys   (say what you will, but that's one piece of ridiculous legislature I can get behind)

 

 

100 I hope that was a sock, but the thing of it is what happens in one state does effect the rest of the country -- look at CA, CO, AZ.  It may seem like "oh well, not my state" but it does have repercussions on the rest.  Right now the idiot Dems in my state are doing their utmost to turn the place into one big Detroit...what will the consequences be for the rest of the country?

And with IL you can't really say: oh the whole state is soooo deep blue they're all idiots, fuck them; last election (even 200 showed that to not necessarily be so

Posted by: unknown jane at January 12, 2011 10:20 AM (5/yRG)

104

bwahahahahahahaahahaahahahaha

At least we get to have a say here in kookafornia on Brown's tax hike proposal.

Since we already voted down an extension to the income and VLF taxes in 2009 by a 2-1 margin, in every single county, it will be embarassment #1 of a billion for Governor Moonbeam.

The ONE good thing about Brown is he is silly enough to push for it to go on a ballot in a special June election. The track record for voter turnout? 22% in the last one in 2009. They tried the whole union-backed ads too then warning that schools and firefighters and police would all be cut- and it still went down in flames in Alameda county.

Posted by: CAC at January 12, 2011 10:26 AM (wO0WW)

105

The ONE good thing about Brown is he is silly enough to push for it to go on a ballot in a special June election. The track record for voter turnout? 22% in the last one in 2009. They tried the whole union-backed ads too then warning that schools and firefighters and police would all be cut- and it still went down in flames in Alameda county.

Posted by: CAC at January 12, 2011 02:26 PM (wO0WW)

This is where the lack of responsibility of CA voters comes in handy. The Blue voters can't be guilt-tripped into voting in a tax increase. And the few "broken glass" Red CA voters won't vote for it either.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 12, 2011 10:44 AM (z1N6a)

106

50 48 I'm liking Wisconsin more and more.
If and when we ever do have the National AoSHQ Meetup, let's do it in Wisconsin.

I thought the agreed place was East Saint Louis?

If you losers have a pair among you, why don't you hold it at CHEEKS.  If it's still there... been awhile.

Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at January 12, 2011 11:47 AM (qL20/)

107 As one caller to a radio show noted this morning, what's most amazing is that they are raising taxes by 66% on families already suffering the effects of the recession that have had to cut their own personal budgets while on the other hand they are increasing State spending.  There are no budget cuts in "The Plan".  Thus, people have to cut even further while the legislative gravy train to the Dem base of state union workers and Cook County welfare bums remains open.  Lou Lang, a genius Illinois legislator, said he knows it was a job killer but didn't really care. 

Posted by: ed at January 12, 2011 12:14 PM (Urhve)

108 Not only are there no cuts, there are 2% allowable increases in spending each year, for the next four.

Unless there is 'an emergency'. Then the 'cap' of 2% allowable growth goes bye-bye.

So this tax increase is NOT going to pay down deficits, it's going to more spending...wheeeeew!

Posted by: Lizabth at January 12, 2011 12:20 PM (JZBti)

109 Buddy of mine just left Illinois for ... Texas. Company needed him more down there cause the business in Texas is growing, while the business in Illinois is stagnant.

Maybe these things are related.


Posted by: hui at January 12, 2011 12:55 PM (QcFbt)

110 The ONE good thing about Brown is he is silly enough to push for it to go on a ballot in a special June election.

A question: Does anyone think that this special election called by Brown is going to be labeled as a waste of money, just like Schwarzenegger's special election in 2005 where the propositions he backed went down to defeat?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 12, 2011 01:15 PM (nD3Pg)

111 Any takers on the bet that the tax revenues will be less than predicted while the spending increases will top the "hard cap" put into the legislation?

Posted by: ed at January 12, 2011 01:31 PM (Urhve)

112 I have been considering taking a position in Illinois for the last several weeks. This morning I sent the company who offered the position a copy of this new story along with a counter offer, they can increase the offered compensation by 14%, guarantee any new tax increases will be directly offset by increased compensation or allow me to live in nearby Wisconsin with mileage and time allowance, or the deal is off. we'll see what happens

Posted by: raddave9 at January 12, 2011 01:38 PM (vROgM)

113

Well, I just opened an Illinois corporation.

Me not too smart.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 12, 2011 02:13 PM (u7MHs)

114 The jokes on you...  when we default on all our debt - you bitchez will be bailing us out...

Posted by: C(r)ook County Public Sector Union at January 12, 2011 05:53 PM (YJgUl)

115

chalk another one up to a lame-duck legislature and middle of the night voting.

words can not express my anger...

Well how else are we going to pay for paintbrushes and canvases for the innocent, incarcerated Gangster Disciples, who will soon rest easy when I abolish the death penalty?

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