August 02, 2011

In Three-Way Race of Romney, Bachmann, and Perry, Romney Would Be Ahead
— Ace

Interesting finding. This is not yet working out the way I imagined.

Rasmussen reasons that soon enough the field will be winnowed from the large field to the more realistic smaller field, and looks ahead to where Republicans will be then.

In a three-way race between Romney, Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann and Texas Governor Rick Perry, Romney earns 34% of the vote, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Republican Primary Voters. Bachmann picks up 27% support, while Perry, the only one who has yet to formally declare heÂ’s a candidate, gets 26%. Five percent (5%) like some other candidate, and eight percent (8%) are undecided.

So close to a three way tie, but not quite, as Romney leads.

What's more, if it becomes a two man race between any two of them, it's a closer tie:

The race is a virtual tie, however, if itÂ’s a two-way race. In a showdown between just Romney and Bachmann, 44% of primary voters support Romney, while 42% favor Bachmann. The remaining 14% either like another candidate or are undecided.

Pit Romney against Perry alone, and the former Massachusetts governor earns 43% while the Texas governor gets 39%. Nine percent (9%) prefer another candidate, while another nine percent (9%) are undecided.

A matchup between Bachmann and Perry finds the two candidates deadlocked with 39% support each. Twelve percent (12%) support another candidate, and nine percent (9%) are undecided.

Posted by: Ace at 02:15 PM | Comments (322)
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1 First?  Don't care.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 02, 2011 02:16 PM (qiOph)

2 Perry is within the margin error with Romney, and he hasn't even announced yet.

Perry 2012!

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 02, 2011 02:17 PM (kUaEF)

3 Perry & Bachmann are pulling the same voters. Romney's # is his peak.

Posted by: observer at August 02, 2011 02:18 PM (EQN6X)

4 It's my turn.  Stand back and bask in the awsomeness that is Mittens.

Posted by: Mittens Romney at August 02, 2011 02:18 PM (jucos)

5 None can question Mitt's leadership during the debt ceiling crisis!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 02, 2011 02:18 PM (uhAkr)

6 fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap

Posted by: Mitt-lovin' Dan at August 02, 2011 02:19 PM (MMC8r)

7 *cough*ROMNEYCARE*cough*

Posted by: 4 feet of hairy-toed terror, and that's just my swingin' cod at August 02, 2011 02:19 PM (9c5/H)

8 I like Perry/Rubio.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 02, 2011 02:19 PM (qiOph)

9 We may as well jailbreak the 2012 election and get someone really really redmeat in there, cause there's no reason to nominate Obama-lite. and, as a concerned catholic conservative, I find Romney's recent bullshit to be concerning. Maybe we should be building up Tpaw?

Posted by: joeindc44 at August 02, 2011 02:20 PM (QxSug)

10 A corn sombrero on every head!!

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at August 02, 2011 02:20 PM (zsvKP)

11 Bachmann and Perry split some of the Not-Romney vote.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 02:21 PM (GTbGH)

12 To quote Red State Update: Fuck it, McCain - I want Obama demylinated this campaign cycle. _

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 02, 2011 02:21 PM (h6mPj)

13 Pretty damn good for an undeclared candidate.  Watch for Perry to be neck-and-neck with Romney soon after announcing.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 02, 2011 02:22 PM (PPTvT)

14 If Kennedy Romney is elected, America will be ruled by Rome Salt Lake City!!!!

Posted by: nickless at August 02, 2011 02:22 PM (MMC8r)

15 Why can't I like Perry. I try. If he's the nominee I'll work for him. But right now? It just ain't working for me.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Dad at August 02, 2011 02:23 PM (YulS3)

16 so whomsoever can take Obama apart during those opportunities - gets my vote. - I'm thinking Perry at the moment. Though I'd support a Herman Cain candidacy up to the point where Cain is accused of racism or commiitng black-on-black crime

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 02, 2011 02:23 PM (h6mPj)

17 I gets no respect

Posted by: T'Paw! at August 02, 2011 02:24 PM (GTbGH)

18 Why can't I like Perry. I try. If he's the nominee I'll work for him. But right now? It just ain't working for me.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Dad at August 02, 2011 06:23 PM (YulS3)

Tammy Bruce calls him GWB with a face lift.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 02, 2011 02:24 PM (zsvKP)

19 It's because I'm a seagoing water mammal, isn't it?

Posted by: Thaddeus McOtter at August 02, 2011 02:25 PM (MMC8r)

20 The guy people haven't heard of and isn't in the race didn't win this poll. Funny, that.

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2011 02:25 PM (FcR7P)

21 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Posted by: Phred at August 02, 2011 02:26 PM (MMC8r)

22 Dump Barry 'n Hire Perry

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 02, 2011 02:26 PM (pLTLS)

23 one thing about Michelle Bachman - Obama can't manage to keep straight the medical histories or birth dates of two kids; Bachmann, I'm guessing, knows these facts about her own and most, if not all, of her foster kids. -

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 02, 2011 02:26 PM (h6mPj)

24 I said it a while back..  If he were really in the lead all of this stuff  FROM THE MEDIA !!!111eleventy!! that he is in THE LEAD!!!1111!!!  would not be there.  I got a call from a fundraiser from his camp today and you could tell the dude was ready with "he is a proven leader" stuff and heard a raft of noise about the no leadership on the debt deal.   Romney is toast..  like a really nice hair Zombie; good lookin' ..  but, dead man walkin'...

Posted by: catman at August 02, 2011 02:26 PM (NYdB8)

25 Perry & Bachmann are pulling the same voters.

The numbers don't show that. They do show that the three's support doesn't overlap by much, and Romney's fans are far more strident and purist and fuck all those other guys than the other guys' fans are.

Unexpectedly.

("Unexpectedly" means "predictably" now, right?)

Posted by: oblig. at August 02, 2011 02:26 PM (xvZW9)

26 I.AM.NOT.AN.ANIMAL!

Posted by: Ron Paul at August 02, 2011 02:27 PM (GTbGH)

27

Do we all get another wife when Romney wins?

Posted by: Trouble enough with one at August 02, 2011 02:27 PM (Spd4/)

28 How many Obama voters know deep down that they fucked up, but won't admit it, even to the point of keeping him in there in the hopes that he'll finally get it right, and thus, prove them right in their 2008 vote? Yes, I am always pessimistic about elections, but people don't like to admit they made a mistake at the polls any more than they do in other areas of their lives.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Dad at August 02, 2011 02:27 PM (YulS3)

29 No offence, but kinda tired of stupid polls. Lets just deal with it when the thing starts ! Shall we???

Posted by: marine43 at August 02, 2011 02:28 PM (uIZ/w)

30 Considering Romney is VERY well known and Perry is not, this doesn't bode well for Romney.

Romney has a couple deal killers:

1) The evangelical arm of the Republican will NEVER vote for a Morman, especially if they have an evangelical (Perry) to vote for instead.
2) During this time of conservative resurgence and the Tea Party, Romney is just too much of a squish.

Perry wins nomination easily IMHO.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 02, 2011 02:29 PM (uVlA4)

31 28 I.AM.NOT.AN.ANIMAL! Posted by: Ron Paul at August 02, 2011 06:27 PM (GTbGH) Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!

Posted by: George Taylor at August 02, 2011 02:29 PM (kUaEF)

32 OT
American thinker peace be Ann Bernhard,  I want to say she is hyperventilating but point by point I found nothing inaccurate about anything she said.

http://tinyurl.com/3pb4b87

Posted by: Shiggz at August 02, 2011 02:29 PM (v8Pb8)

33 ... re: People voting for Obama versus People Saying they Voted for Obama. My SWAG is that 3-5% of the voters will claim to have voted for Obama but, in the privacy of the voting booth, voted for someone else.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 02, 2011 02:30 PM (h6mPj)

34 RuPaul!

Posted by: GOProud at August 02, 2011 02:30 PM (MMC8r)

35

Unexpectedly.

("Unexpectedly" means "predictably" now, right?)

Posted by: oblig. at August 02, 2011 06:26 PM (xvZW9)

Yes it does.  That's why we keep using it.

Posted by: The MBM at August 02, 2011 02:30 PM (oVQFe)

36 Bob Dole says this is Bob Dole's race to lose.

Posted by: Bob Dole at August 02, 2011 02:30 PM (raxYt)

37 As long as Bachmann doesn't win the nomination, everything's cool. 

She just has to be stopped, is all.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 02, 2011 02:30 PM (D9z3D)

38 Things are looking good for Perry. 


Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 02:31 PM (5H6zj)

39

AHOY!

Posted by: PALINISTO! at August 02, 2011 02:31 PM (CrDb/)

40 Why isn't Ron Paul mentioned.  He's your best bet.  All my lefty friends tell me that and of course I believe it.

Posted by: curiously stupid at August 02, 2011 02:32 PM (oVQFe)

41 Romney ain't happening, period. Romney is just a reincarnation of Juan Amnesty McVain (the other Soros candidate) and doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell when the presently non-engaged (which is most people) as his was the model for commie-care nationally. Romney is a Mormon - a no-go in the South, Romney is a baby-killer, a no-go in the South, Romney was pro-queer marriage, a no-go in the South. Romney is the Establishment candidate, a no-go everywhere. Romney is the biggest flip-flopper that ever came down the pike, and that is a no-go everywhere, especially now that TEA Partiers (the basis for a Third Party already installed and working) are forming a potential third party.

Posted by: You Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 02:32 PM (a8a3g)

42 It would be interesting to distinguish who people want as the candidate and who they want as president.

Posted by: Randy M at August 02, 2011 02:33 PM (vI8R6)

43 As long as Bachmann doesn't win the nomination, everything's cool. 

She just has to be stopped, is all.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 02, 2011 06:30 PM (D9z3D)

She really sounded like a fucking idiot on Laura Ingraham's show yesterday.  I've cut her slack in the past but I'm all tapped out.  Just another shiny turd that the Minnesota fuckheads drop acid and elect.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 02, 2011 02:33 PM (zsvKP)

44 My democrat family members, that have never voted for a Republican candidate at any level, tell me that Romney is the only Republican they could see voting for. Last time around they were pushing McCain. I'll still vote for the turd sandwich. (Or do we vote for the total douche. I get confused which one we own)

Posted by: osoloco at August 02, 2011 02:33 PM (D7W2L)

45 Mittens has got to be fumin' to see these numbers for Perry.  Too funny.

Posted by: observer at August 02, 2011 02:33 PM (EQN6X)

46 jeffb i thought palin had to be stopped....so bachman trumps palin? you'd be ok with palin as a candidate now?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 02, 2011 02:34 PM (eOXTH)

47 Romney will continue to slide the closer we get to labor day. That is when the campaigning will really start and when voters traditionally start paying attention.

The real race looks like it will boil down to a contest between Bachmann and Perry. Bachman will probably take Iowa. Romney will take NH.

South Carolina right now is a tossup. A LOT will depend on who Nikki Haley endorses and she has kinda been palling around with Perry.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 02:34 PM (M9Ie6)

48

Yeah have to stop Bachmann.  Don't make Jeff B. look like the pathetic shit he claims her and Palin's supporters are because he refuses to vote her.  And he spends all his time bashing people that aren't thrilled

Because you know its those people that are the "take my ball and go home" ones despite the evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2011 02:35 PM (oVQFe)

49 This trend will last until Rick Perry debates. Then Rick Perry will pull ahead and stay ahead.

Right now, Romney gets to read Sarah Palin's Facebook page, wait 3 days, and then announce his new policy that sounds suspiciously like what Sarah Palin wrote.

Romney won't be able to bend with the breeze and be Bill Clinton 2.0 for much longer.

Bachmann will continue to make Jeff B. curl up in a corner and mewl like a kitten with a hot curling iron in its ass for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 02:35 PM (ECjvn)

50

It would be interesting to distinguish who people want as the candidate and who they want as president.

I think Romney would make a fine President-elect.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 02, 2011 02:36 PM (gTGz3)

51 It would just be amazingly awful if Conservatives blow a once-in-a-generation to ensure conservative rule for decades to come by nominating... ...a Mormon version of Senator Maverick.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 02, 2011 02:36 PM (kUaEF)

52 I think you should support a true American Hero, one who is not afraid to reach across the aisle whenever a camera is available, er, if a knife needs twisting in my consituents' backs, erm,  when the circumstances demand compromise of all my purported values...

 ahh, Fuckit.

You could do worse than voting for Obama.

Posted by: John McCain at August 02, 2011 02:37 PM (raxYt)

53 I agree with a lot of the previous posts.  I think if and once Perry formally announces he is running these numbers will shift in his favor.

Posted by: Stella at August 02, 2011 02:37 PM (tYR6e)

54 Perry has some BIG negatives for those who bother to do any research in to his history. The TEA Partiers are going to be looking askance at this guy when/if he announces and they start researching even fairly recent history. Perry-mongers need to hit the books and brush up on their Perry history.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 02:37 PM (a8a3g)

55 I think Romney would make a fine President-elect. Posted by: FireHorse at August 02, 2011 06:36 PM (gTGz3) Maybe after the election, he could go down to the National Museum of American History and appropriate Bambi's old Office of the President-elect seal?

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 02, 2011 02:38 PM (kUaEF)

56 Bachmann pretty much took herself out of contention with her debt-ceiling votes (on top of her emerging past as a fucking loon).

I trust she'll withdraw gracefully once Perry gets in and this becomes a Perry-Romney race.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 02, 2011 02:38 PM (PPTvT)

57

Romney totally wimped out on the debt deal, Bachmann and Paerry are the only ones left standing, even Sarah supported this deal, which is sad because i really liked her but can't support her any more, not after this.

 

Posted by: Shoey at August 02, 2011 02:38 PM (jdOk/)

58

sigh, i will vote for anyone not Obama, still i'm not thrilled in the slightest.

but that's ok. I hope He is paying attention to the majority of republicans  (not in poltical office  but average Joe)

Quit spending! quit giving the gvt more power!

Posted by: willow at August 02, 2011 02:38 PM (h+qn8)

59 One...Two...Three...Four...I declare a Flame War!

Posted by: QE3 at August 02, 2011 02:39 PM (JMsOK)

60 Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 06:37 PM (a8a3g)

Yeah, well seeing as how you couldn't get through your anti-Romney screed without lying, I'm not thinking I'm too worried about Rick's skeletons. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 02:39 PM (5H6zj)

61 Perry has some BIG negatives for those who bother to do any research in to his history.

heh.

Pretty sure we know he's a politician and Jesus isn't running.

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 02:39 PM (ECjvn)

62 a loon?

Posted by: willow at August 02, 2011 02:39 PM (h+qn8)

63 I do not think SC will go for Romney even though it is "his turn". Once they get a good look at his record in MA they will see "another NE liberal squish gun grabber" and that will kill him here.

It truly will boil down to Bachmann and Perry and who Haley endorses. So by the time SC is done Romney will have won only one State and that will be NH.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 02:40 PM (M9Ie6)

64 I doubt Perry will get much more than Huntsman! Nobody from Texas is going to win anytime in the near future.

Posted by: Jimi at August 02, 2011 02:40 PM (JMsOK)

65 If it's a virtual tie in a two man race I'll take Bachmann over Romney...

...re Perry: I don't discuss "candidates" who haven't announced a candidacy.

Posted by: Sgt. York at August 02, 2011 02:41 PM (QHzLG)

66
What's this?

Octomom® is putting on her gloves to become a celebrity boxer?

She has, how many, 12 kids?

After having 8 babies at one time, I'm pretty sure I don't want to see her box.

Posted by: soothsayer at August 02, 2011 02:41 PM (0zKHM)

67 Perry=George Bush III

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 02:41 PM (a8a3g)

68 67 One...Two...Three...Four...I declare a Flame War!

Five...Six...Seven...Eight, Let out all your Romney/Perry Hate!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 02, 2011 02:41 PM (c0A3e)

69

"I don't want to see her box."

Week Old Roast Beef Sammich?

Posted by: Jimi at August 02, 2011 02:42 PM (JMsOK)

70 Perry has some BIG negatives for those who bother to do any research in to his history.

You are talking to the wrong crowd. We have all done the "research". Sure he has some negatives, they all do. But there is nothing there that can not be laid to rest with some smart campaigning.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 02:42 PM (M9Ie6)

71 Perry-mongers need to hit the books and brush up on their Perry history.

Perhaps you could bring the knowledge.  We got TT-Corridor, HPVgate and instate tuition, any more?

Oh, and the rape and sodomy thing which is water under the bridge.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 02:42 PM (GTbGH)

72 For half a decade now I hear conervatives divided over Rick Perry.  Many good conservatives from Texas with lots of complaints etc..  I would really really like a good trustworthy frank conservative report on his pros and cons.  I am open to making my decision on that.  Instead I just hear a lot of cheer-leading and backbiting.  I am open to convincing and cheerleaders form both sides of the field I find bone-able but not persuasive.

Posted by: Shiggz at August 02, 2011 02:42 PM (v8Pb8)

73 Romney is the new McCain. Democrat favorite.

Posted by: LAZRTX at August 02, 2011 02:42 PM (WvqFW)

74 7667One...Two...Three...Four...I declare a Flame War!

Five...Six...Seven...Eight, Let out all your Romney/Perry Hate!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 02, 2011 06:41 PM (c0A3e)

 

not until i see the pom-poms...

Posted by: Shoey at August 02, 2011 02:43 PM (jdOk/)

75 Rue Paul.

(not a typo)

Posted by: Sgt. York at August 02, 2011 02:43 PM (QHzLG)

76 I'm for Mitt.  I'm against Mitt.  I'm for Mitt.  I'm against Mitt.

Posted by: fish out of water on a deck at August 02, 2011 02:43 PM (EQN6X)

77 Perry wins nomination easily IMHO.

Actually I don't know if anyone can get a majority. You *know* what happens then right?

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 02:44 PM (0q2P7)

78 It's wasn't sodomy-sodomy.

Posted by: rick perry's hair crosses the memes at August 02, 2011 02:44 PM (GTbGH)

79 60 Perry has some BIG negatives for those who bother to do any research in to his history. The TEA Partiers are going to be looking askance at this guy when/if he announces and they start researching even fairly recent history. Perry-mongers need to hit the books and brush up on their Perry history.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 06:37 PM (a8a3g)

He's my governor, you're full of shit.

Posted by: Jimmuy at August 02, 2011 02:44 PM (W789i)

80 It's really beyond me why the state that keeps giving us Lindsey Graham deserves any status as the one-stop litmus test for conservatism in primary candidates.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 02, 2011 02:44 PM (PPTvT)

81

Maybe after the election, he could go down to the National Museum of American History and appropriate Bambi's old Office of the President-elect seal?

And any leftover stationery. They could just put a sticker over Obama's name.

Posted by: FireHorse at August 02, 2011 02:44 PM (gTGz3)

82
you reckon she sports a jock strap, Fish?

or a reasonable facsimile type of contraption?

Posted by: soothsayer at August 02, 2011 02:44 PM (0zKHM)

83 Nobody who implemented ObamaCare Beta and is named MITT will win the nomination this time around.

He just isn't different enough from Obama this time. Maybe in years past he could have done it handily. However, this time around people will be looking for Charles Bronson, not Bronson Pinchot.

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 02:45 PM (ECjvn)

84 75 Perry=George Bush III

George Bush (either one) >>>> Barack Obama

Perry >>>> Barack Obama

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 02:45 PM (5H6zj)

85 Every negative thing well-documented about Romney just happens to be a "lie"... If you happen to be from Utah or MI

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 02:45 PM (a8a3g)

86 Instead I just hear a lot of cheer-leading and backbiting.  I am open to convincing and cheerleaders form both sides of the field I find bone-able but not persuasive.

I have written evals on every one of the candidates who have announced and Perry. It lists how they rate on 6 critical conservative categories. Most all of the regulars here have seen those evals.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 02:45 PM (M9Ie6)

87 And any leftover stationery. They could just put a sticker over Obama's name.

White-out.



I denounce myself.

Posted by: dick cheese at August 02, 2011 02:45 PM (GTbGH)

88 Mitt Romney is the Republican's only chance to win.

Just like when we anointed John McCain the chosen one in the last election *, we have only your best interests at heart.


*Not to be mistaken with The Chosen One, Barack Obama, PBUH.

Posted by: MSM at August 02, 2011 02:46 PM (raxYt)

89 Has to be a Governor. And not a Mitt. So . . . and btw - I think Dems/mushy-headed Moderates will cotton to Perry just fine once they get to know him a little. He's not all that different from Mittens (in looks, which honestly is all that many voters are looking at)

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 02, 2011 02:46 PM (SB0V2)

90 91
you reckon she sports a jock strap, Fish?

or a reasonable facsimile type of contraption?

Posted by: soothsayer at August 02, 2011 06:44 PM (0zKHM)

 

as long as she don't wear, short-shorts :-0

Posted by: Shoey at August 02, 2011 02:46 PM (jdOk/)

91 Lets wait till they have a debate on one of them says that Poland has always been free or the like. Someone will stumble

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 02, 2011 02:47 PM (i6RpT)

92 Ace, "you gotta" get out of the Blogway more often.  What Romney appears (and I stress appears)  to lack in conservative cred, he more than makes up in being the opposite of JERK-NESS.  President Jerk's opposite is Mitt Romney.

Romney/West 2012

Posted by: ParisParamus at August 02, 2011 02:47 PM (prJ2X)

93 I have written evals on every one of the candidates who have announced and Perry. It lists how they rate on 6 critical conservative categories. Most all of the regulars here have seen those evals.

You mean the Vic Personal Preference Tests?  Yes, we've seen those. 

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 02, 2011 02:47 PM (PPTvT)

94 Every negative but well-documented thing about Romney is a "lie" unless you are pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, or pro-socialist death-care.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 02:47 PM (a8a3g)

95

"It's really beyond me why the state that keeps giving us Lindsey Graham deserves any status as the one-stop litmus test for conservatism in primary candidates."

It is a good place for Democrats to cheat and dictate our candidate. It has deep DemonRat roots. I mean come on.....you didn't actually believe that Republicans would defend themselves, did you?

All the Democrats register as Democrats in the East, and Florida! 

Posted by: Jimi at August 02, 2011 02:47 PM (JMsOK)

96 Hey, RD Brewer, go eat some corn!

Posted by: ParisParamus at August 02, 2011 02:48 PM (prJ2X)

97 ...... as a concerned catholic conservative, I find Romney's recent bullshit to be concerning. --------------------------------------------- And Romney's a Mormon and thus condemned to hell. That can't be good. Second look at McCotter?

Posted by: Sally Boehner at August 02, 2011 02:48 PM (O0Wa5)

98 It's really beyond me why the state that keeps giving us Lindsey Graham deserves any status as the one-stop litmus test for conservatism in primary candidates.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 02, 2011 06:44 PM (PPTvT)

I've lived here for the last 5 years, to my everlasting shame. It's a great state, except for the corrupt GOP establishment.

Posted by: MSM at August 02, 2011 02:48 PM (raxYt)

99 Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 02, 2011 06:47 PM (PPTvT)

You know undead, I think there may actually be two people who frequent this blog who give a shit what you think.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 02:49 PM (M9Ie6)

100 Hmm . . . my Inner Voice has suddenly started not making any damn sense. Maybe I need a cup of decaf or a shot or something.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 02, 2011 02:49 PM (SB0V2)

101 Now that Ron Paul is soon to be Former Congressman Ron Paul, his robots are really desperate to get noticed.  I expect every effin' thread to be trolled by those morons. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 02:49 PM (5H6zj)

102 /sock off for 109

Posted by: krakatoa at August 02, 2011 02:49 PM (raxYt)

103 "Romney is the new McCain" = the candidate I like is actually weak, so lets exaggerate the stronger guy's flaws."

Posted by: ParisParamus at August 02, 2011 02:50 PM (prJ2X)

104 Funny you mention that name,  if we cant get this country back on track we are going to end up with an Augusto Pinochet. 

-Note the amount of dictators who turn power back over after they have cleaned house could be counted on one hand.  Not one of them was a Marxist.   (even though every Marxist sold themselves as such)

Posted by: Shiggz at August 02, 2011 02:50 PM (v8Pb8)

105 62 Bachmann pretty much took herself out of contention with her debt-ceiling votes (on top of her emerging past as a fucking loon).
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 02, 2011 06:38 PM (PPTvT)

Well, I am Minnesota's State Bird! As for the f*cking: opposite sex only, buckeroos!

Posted by: A F*cking Loon, Esq. at August 02, 2011 02:51 PM (YAJZH)

106 Copied, just because I laughed out loud:



Anyway, like I was sayin', corn is the fruit of the plains. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, corn-kabobs, corn creole, corn gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple corn, lemon corn, coconut corn, pepper corn, corn soup, corn stew, corn salad, corn and potatoes, corn burger, corn sandwich. That- that's about it.

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Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 02:51 PM (GTbGH)

107 Fuckin, DUH, no shit Ironside.

--the me

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 02:51 PM (ECjvn)

108 I've lived here for the last 5 years, to my everlasting shame. It's a great state, except for the corrupt GOP establishment.

Posted by: MSM at August 02, 2011 06:48 PM (raxYt)

The good thing that has recently happened here is that Lindsay Graham has lost control of the State GOP. That is why he is hearing footsteps. I think he is looking to hitch up with one of the candidates as for a VP slot.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 02:51 PM (M9Ie6)

109 So we got the Palin Hate crowd diversifying into Bachmann hate.
We've got the Perry is erratic, crowd
The Mittens is consistent, consistently liberal, crowd.

I'm not prepared to say anyone is far off base here, so where does that leave us?

Oh and donÂ’t even say "RON PAUL!"


Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 02:52 PM (0q2P7)

110 I'll vote for any cracker who'll pay my damn mortgage, 'kay?

Posted by: Peggy Joseph at August 02, 2011 02:52 PM (MMC8r)

111 What if you throw the Fat Man in that list?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 02, 2011 02:52 PM (i6RpT)

112 " 20 Why can't I like Perry. I try. If he's the nominee I'll work for him. But right now? It just ain't working for me. Posted by: Jack Bauer's Dad at August 02, 2011 06:23 PM (YulS3)
"

Because he just looks like another well coifed politician.  we are wary of such folks.  His record is strong, though imperfect, and he's a good campaigner in my opinion.  We cannot intelligently support him until he has performed in a debate and handled a wider array of issues with answers.  I believe he is the best one, but many people realize they do not have enough info to go on.

Electability is so key, because we are all, honestly, voting against Obama.  We want our primary vote to be the most anti Obama it can be.  We need to know Perry on foreign policy and especially how he'll compete against Obama next year.

The polls right now show that someone who hasn't even answered those questions is competing seriously against Romney, entirely because his resume is so much better.  The sky is the limit for Perry.  I hope he looks like Romney in the debates (I do not like Romney, but think his anti-Obama rhetoric is excellent).


Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 02:53 PM (519+h)

113 You know undead, I think there may actually be two people who frequent this blog who give a shit what you think.

Vic, whatever did conservatism do before you arrived to show it the way with your brilliantly-crafted Evals?

I know I'm grateful.  Why, we might have wandered in the wilderness for years.  Decades, even.

Thank God someone arrived to bring us the Word.  And that Word is Michele Bachmann. 

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 02, 2011 02:53 PM (PPTvT)

114 Yeah, but how does Obama poll againt Generic Teabagger Hostage-Taking Terrorist?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Jesusland Liberation Army - Political Terror Brigade at August 02, 2011 02:53 PM (lGFXF)

115 George W Bush GAVE us Barack Obama

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 02:54 PM (a8a3g)

116 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Lif at August 02, 2011 06:50 PM (OWjjx)

There you go again. That logic shit will screw things up every time. Next thing you'll be saying is that Keynes sucks donkey cock because there hasn't been a single example of pure Keynesian economics that has worked in the real world.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 02:54 PM (LH6ir)

117 85 I'm for Mitt.  I'm against Mitt.  I'm for Mitt.  I'm against Mitt.
Posted by: fish out of water on a deck at August 02, 2011 06:43 PM (EQN6X)


FTW!!!

Posted by: A F*cking Loon, Esq. at August 02, 2011 02:55 PM (YAJZH)

118

Posted by: Mittens at August 01, 2011 01:34 PM (Hx5uv)


I cannot express the happiness this ridiculous comment gave me.  SNL hasn't been that funny in the past 15 years combined.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 02:55 PM (519+h)

119 Fear the vag.

Posted by: GeoffBee at August 02, 2011 02:55 PM (MMC8r)

120 George W Bush GAVE us Barack Obama

That is so full of wrong it's hard to know where to start.

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 02:55 PM (ECjvn)

121

"George W Bush GAVE us Barack Obama"

Really how's that?

Posted by: Jimi at August 02, 2011 02:55 PM (JMsOK)

122 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Lif at August 02, 2011 06:53 PM (OWjjx)

Maybe...just maybe, I'll accept Greinke as VP.

Sabathia/Greinke 2012

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 02:55 PM (LH6ir)

123 Right now, according to Rush (and etc) Elmer Fudd is "electable" over Hussein...How many people here want Elmer Fudd as POTUS?

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 02:55 PM (a8a3g)

124 George W Bush GAVE us Barack Obama Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 06:54 PM (a8a3g) No,The 52% who are eternally cursed did

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 02, 2011 02:56 PM (i6RpT)

125 So we got the Palin Hate crowd diversifying into Bachmann hate.

Wrong; Palin would be my first choice easily but I want no part of Bachmann.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 02, 2011 02:56 PM (zsvKP)

126 Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 06:49 PM (M9Ie6)

LEAVE HIM ALONE!

I HAVE A BIG RACK!

Posted by: curiously dense at August 02, 2011 02:56 PM (LH6ir)

127 One thing about Romney:  he has a first-class television ad person.  Whoever is doing his ads,  they are direct, easy to understand,  and go after Obama ruthlessly.

If I were voting just based on ads,  Romney would be the winner.

I am not,  though.

Posted by: Miss Marple at August 02, 2011 02:57 PM (Fo83G)

128 I still say Palin is not going to run.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 02:57 PM (M9Ie6)

129 The hobbits always win. The bums always lose.

LOTR and the Big Lebowski are prophetic movies.

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 02:57 PM (ECjvn)

130

"How many people here want Elmer Fudd as POTUS?"

I prefer Daffy Duck!

Posted by: Jimi at August 02, 2011 02:57 PM (JMsOK)

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 02, 2011 02:57 PM (c0A3e)

132 @131 George W Bush GAVE us Barack Obama

Yes, damn him all to hell for not running for a third term!

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 02:58 PM (5H6zj)

133

He's my governor, you're full of shit.

Posted by: Jimmuy at August 02, 2011 06:44 PM (W789i)

Are all Texans this logical and able to convince with the sweet power of reason and thought?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 02:58 PM (LH6ir)

134 Does this corn sombrero make my ass look big?

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at August 02, 2011 02:58 PM (zsvKP)

135

"How many people here want Elmer Fudd as POTUS?"

I prefer Daffy Duck!



I want someone to go all Tasmanian Devil on Barry.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 02:58 PM (GTbGH)

136 Bush spending, Medicar B, Education Bill written by Ted Kennedy, resurrection of LAWS, Amnesty one and two, Patriot Act, and etc... and etc... how soon we have forgotten the evils of "moderate, compassionate conservatives"

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 02:58 PM (a8a3g)

137 135 Fear the vag.

But eat mine first.

Posted by: Crazed West Virginia Woman Wielding a Knife at August 02, 2011 02:59 PM (c0A3e)

138 George W Bush GAVE us Barack Obama No, dummy. JOHN FUCKING MCCAIN gave us Barack Obama.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Jesusland Liberation Army - Political Terror Brigade at August 02, 2011 02:59 PM (lGFXF)

139 Soooo Bush being like a liberal made people vote liberal?

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 02:59 PM (ECjvn)

140 24 Dump Barry 'n Hire Perry Or Dump Barry 4 Perry

Posted by: izoneguy at August 02, 2011 02:59 PM (i6Neb)

141 Bush spending, Medicar B, Education Bill written by Ted Kennedy, resurrection of LAWS, Amnesty one and two, Patriot Act, and etc... and etc...

So, you got nothing on Perry we haven't already heard then?

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:00 PM (GTbGH)

142 Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 06:45 PM (5H6zj)

Well, the retard who lives next door is >>>>> than Obama, so you haven't said much.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 03:00 PM (LH6ir)

143 People are most familiar with Romney and they are still learning about Bachmann and Perry. For Perry to be in 3rd despite not having formally entered the race is impressive.

Posted by: 80sBaby at August 02, 2011 03:00 PM (o2lIv)

144 Howard the Duck/Roger Rabbit......2012!

Posted by: Jimi at August 02, 2011 03:01 PM (JMsOK)

145 That right there is almost enough to seal the deal.

That is a compelling argument.

Where is curious? We need to ask about how her? friends feel about mittens and MB.

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 03:01 PM (0q2P7)

146 a8a3g is very very angry. 

That makes it either a Paulbot or a Democrat. 

Fortunately, my bi-curious Puerto Rican friend in NYC gave me a sooper sekret program to filter out a8a3g's comments. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:01 PM (5H6zj)

147 Why I like Rick Perry:  Curious said that Rick Perry was not liked by her/his/its friends in New York.

We might want to listen to it.  As everyone knows, no Republican has ever won the presidency without carrying New York City.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 02, 2011 03:02 PM (PPTvT)

148 Hussein was handed a war-time presidents powers by a "moderate" who wouldn't clean out the commie-lib Dem moles in the gov't when he took office, and then had to put up with law suits for firings, and leaks from various agencies like FBI and CIA. Bush, as head of the party did not defend himself (That is CONSERVATIVES) and he spent our money like a drunk. Conservatism lost it's cred entirely under the RINO machine that is still running the party and betraying us now.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:02 PM (a8a3g)

149 a8a3g has convinced me.

I won't vote for George W. Bush this time around. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:02 PM (5H6zj)

150 My friends, it's very hurtful what those mean Hobbits have been saying about me.  I see some of them are on this computer thingy.  I'm going to have to reach across the aisle to find out how to deal with them.  Then I'll name names.

Posted by: Juan McAmnesty (RINO- My Friends) at August 02, 2011 03:02 PM (zsvKP)

151 My inner voice is getting off track. 

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:03 PM (GTbGH)

152 Conservatism lost it's cred entirely under the RINO machine that is still running the party and betraying us now.

You're using the world "us."  I don't think it means what you think it means. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:03 PM (5H6zj)

153 Perry was pro-Amnesty, Perry was pro-mandatory HPV vaccine for little teen girls for starters

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:03 PM (a8a3g)

154
A national survey picks up voters in Rino states, like California and the Northeast, that won't vote until after the big slug of Southern states, including Texas, vote in March.

That could allow a conservative-ish candidate to put Romney to bed early, regardless of his national percentage.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 02, 2011 03:04 PM (EeYDk)

155 164 That right there is almost enough to seal the deal.

That is a compelling argument.

Where is curious? We need to ask about how her? friends feel about mittens and MB.

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 07:01 PM (0q2P7)

She's in the previous thread explaining her super awesome comment blocker that she claims to have missed one of Jane D'oh's hashes even though Jane almost always has the same hash that when quoted gives the

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2011 03:04 PM (oVQFe)

156 @157, no, you're both right. Both W and Mackerel let the media set the tone, W and Mackerel both accepted blame for the Fannie Mae bubble...like idiots. And then Mackerel decided to lay down to Obama.

Posted by: joeindc44 at August 02, 2011 03:04 PM (QxSug)

157 No, dummy.

JOHN FUCKING MCCAIN gave us Barack Obama.

No Dummy. Bush gave us 500B deficits, Medicare P Drugs, and was so moderate that he moved the overton window so far to the left McCain looked OK. Then McCain gave us Obama by engineering a campaign at a Walmart kiosk. More than enough guilt to go around.

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 03:04 PM (0q2P7)

158 "Curious said that Rick Perry was not liked by her/his/its friends in New York."

He's sounding better all the time.

Which candidate would John Mccain hate the most?  I think probably Cain, then Bachmann, then Perry, then T Paw, then Romney.

Another half assed yet fairly reliable metric, IMO.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 03:04 PM (519+h)

159 Perry was pro-Amnesty, Perry was pro-mandatory HPV vaccine for little teen girls for starters

And?  We've heard those.

Drink on eminent domain and TTC.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:05 PM (GTbGH)

160 "Bush gave us 500B deficits"

John Mccain voted on them.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 03:05 PM (519+h)

161 While McVain did give us JEF, he was helped by the MFM (duh!), white guilt, Hannity/Ingraham et al. who soured many GOPers to McQueeg over amnesty and who stayed home, the economic meltdown (orchestrated by ME money/Soros and McCain's stoopid 'suspend the campaign' to circle jerk in DC), a $500 million cash advantage to Teh Won and, of course, albeit to a lesser degree democrat vote fraud.

And here we are.

Posted by: observer at August 02, 2011 03:05 PM (EQN6X)

162 Let it burn.

I wouldn't bother to drive a quarter mile to vote for Romney or Perry.

Seriously, fuck it.

Posted by: Oh, Hi Mark at August 02, 2011 03:06 PM (TDMuG)

163 True story.  Rick Perry ordered the Texas Rangers to go onto each and every school bus and jab little girls in the arms.  Then he shot their pet coyotes. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:06 PM (5H6zj)

164 Wait,  also drink on in-state tuition for illegals.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:07 PM (GTbGH)

165 As to Perry, I've heard tell he's a cutthroat on the campaign trail (and decent shot on the jogging trail)...

Posted by: observer at August 02, 2011 03:07 PM (EQN6X)

166 No Dummy. Bush gave us 500B deficits, Medicare P Drugs, and was so moderate that he moved the overton window so far to the left McCain looked OK. Then McCain gave us Obama by engineering a campaign at a Walmart kiosk. More than enough guilt to go around. Quit saying "Overton Window," fag.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Jesusland Liberation Army - Political Terror Brigade at August 02, 2011 03:07 PM (lGFXF)

167 I'm a Texan and I think Rick Perry sucks!

Oooooooo

"I wouldn't bother to drive a quarter mile to vote for Romney or Perry.

Seriously, fuck it.

Posted by: Oh, Hi Mark at August 02, 2011 07:06 PM (TDMuG)"


Yeah, what's the difference between Perry and Obama?  Other than a lot.

Posted by: Coyote Orphan at August 02, 2011 03:07 PM (519+h)

168 Flipper Romney is a pussy.

Posted by: SurferDoc at August 02, 2011 03:08 PM (STdkO)

169 1/2 of 1/3 of the government



Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 03:08 PM (ECjvn)

170 Perry was pro-Amnesty, Perry was pro-mandatory HPV vaccine for little teen girls for starters


Well OK those are pretty bad. (And by pretty bad, they make me crawl like fingernails on a chalkboard)

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 03:09 PM (0q2P7)

171

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by: How curious will eventually see al comments here at August 02, 2011 03:09 PM (oVQFe)

172 True story.  Rick Perry goes to the border every night with wire cutters and lets the illegals in.  Then he gives them the contents of little school girls' piggy banks. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:09 PM (5H6zj)

173 mandatory hpv? or available as an option?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 02, 2011 03:09 PM (eOXTH)

174 Rick Perry ate my baby.

Posted by: A Dingo at August 02, 2011 03:09 PM (PPTvT)

175 You'd think Democrats would love Rich Perry.

They are the party of Roman Polanski, who loves to jab little girls.

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 03:10 PM (ECjvn)

176 Rick Perry's middle name is Hussein. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:10 PM (5H6zj)

177 Perry is hip-deep in the Trancontinental Highway up from Mexico (thus eminent domain). Lets just take what land we need for a highway from the narco-terrorist state to the South from landowning Texans. And this thing is starting up again...

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:11 PM (a8a3g)

178 Rick Perry sold dope disguised as a nun.

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 03:11 PM (ECjvn)

179 Rick Perry stole my reefer!!!

Posted by: Paulbot at August 02, 2011 03:11 PM (5H6zj)

180

I would hink with multiple birts at one birthing,  she probably had a c section

but  i don't actually know it for a fact

Posted by: willow at August 02, 2011 03:11 PM (h+qn8)

181 Perry is hip-deep in the Trancontinental Highway up from Mexico


ummm. did that get built?

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 03:12 PM (ECjvn)

182 Rick Perry, curious and Your Inner Voice walk into a bar ...

Posted by: No Whining at August 02, 2011 03:12 PM (YAJZH)

183 Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 02, 2011 07:09 PM (eOXTH)

It was not mandatory, but parents had to opt out, which was more than simply saying, "no thanks, my daughter will keep her legs together." Forms to be filled out, etc.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 03:12 PM (LH6ir)

184 Hannity/Ingraham et al. who soured many GOPers to McQueeg over amnesty and who stayed home

Sorry but I give this little to no credence.  McStain losing was entirely on him.  When the race began I thought he was a good guy; by the time it was over I couldn't stand seeing or hearing him.  He and his dimwit campaign fuckheads ran an extremely inept operation that really brought into question if they really wanted to win.  Granted it was an uphill climb because of how popular sentiment was being driven by the salad tossing media; but the fuckups by that senile cocksucker when El JEFe was making a complete ass out of himself in the debates to the point where "None of the Above" looked like the best chance is all due to Johnny Jerkoff being a horrible candidate.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 02, 2011 03:12 PM (zsvKP)

185 Mandatory -- NOT "optional", and Texans had a screaming fit at the time (rightly so)... but how soon we forget our Constitution.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:12 PM (a8a3g)

186 I could find no evidence after much searching that Perry ever supported amnesty. Let's see a link for that one.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 03:12 PM (M9Ie6)

187 Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 07:11 PM (a8a3g)

If you had your wish, who would be the Republican nominee for President in 2012?

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 03:13 PM (ECjvn)

188 >>Well OK those are pretty bad.

I highly recommend you not take anything that asshat is saying on face value.  If s/he/it wants to provide links, fine.  Otherwise, it's just randomly posting negatives about... oddly enough... two of the top GOP candidates. 

Posted by: Paulbot at August 02, 2011 03:13 PM (5H6zj)

189 Perry is hip-deep in the Trancontinental Highway up from Mexico

Drink!

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:13 PM (GTbGH)

190 Quit saying "Overton Window," fag.

Ohhhh suddenly we don't want to talk politics eh? What would you rather I say? The spectrum of views generally held by the public moved to left by virtue of the fact he allowed himself to be defined to the far right, and as a result the commonly held conservative views that could be held without being "extreme" were significantly limited. Seems like an awful lot to say instead of "The overton window moved left"

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 03:13 PM (0q2P7)

191 If it came down to Bachmann vs. Romney, Bachmann wins hands down because while both exhibit erratic behavior, at least the one with the vee-jay-jay has a legitimate reason.

Posted by: Fritz at August 02, 2011 03:13 PM (p2IBw)

192 I'd like to think Romney's lead in the three way comes from conservatives being divided on their first choice.  Those two ways are closer than I'd expect for that though.  Still, it's early, and we're still partly just polling name recognition.

Posted by: Dave R. at August 02, 2011 03:14 PM (ObItG)

193 Keith Richards For President.

Posted by: Racefan at August 02, 2011 03:14 PM (5djKh)

194 Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 07:11 PM (a8a3g)

Dude, you are a little wound up. Smoke a bowl, chill out, and realize that the future of America is not conservatism. The collectivist wave will eventually sweep over even you.

Posted by: Lucy'sRabbit (NJProgressive) at August 02, 2011 03:14 PM (LH6ir)

195 What's all this about trannies driving Continentals to Mexico?

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 02, 2011 03:15 PM (P57Q4)

196 https://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr /july-28-2011/rick-perry-gets-d-minus-immigration- middle-bad-gop-pack.html

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:15 PM (a8a3g)

197 Your Inner Voice, there is no perfect candidate...none.

We get it...you don't like Perry.  So who is your choice?

Posted by: Tami at August 02, 2011 03:15 PM (X6akg)

198 Rick Perry's nothin' but a low-down double-dealin' backstabbin' larcenous perverted WORRRRRRM!!!!!!

Posted by: Hanover Fiste at August 02, 2011 03:15 PM (PPTvT)

199

@181

"Let it Burn"

It is to are advantage to let the Democrats have it all back, and force them to take responsiblity for it all....[As I Duck]

But of course nobody has the balls to do it. Instead well get weak majority's and RINO President, and then take all the blame only to let Democrats have Super Majority in 2016, and watch the country fall apart regardless by 2020.

It sucks....No Doubt....

Posted by: The Bearded Bishop at August 02, 2011 03:15 PM (JMsOK)

200 I could really give a krep about the HPV vax. I think it's required at my daughter's school anyway, and I don't think there is anything wrong with it. My father used to run a Wound Care Center and saw a lot of young people with throat cancer from HPV. What is the big deal?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 02, 2011 03:16 PM (SB0V2)

201 Perry= George Bush one and two.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:16 PM (a8a3g)

202 @215
Citing numbers usa.  Well, at least we know where you stand. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:16 PM (5H6zj)

203 Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 07:12 PM (M9Ie6)

Screw you cracker. Links and details are for socialists and Bush lovers.

Posted by: My inner rectum at August 02, 2011 03:16 PM (LH6ir)

204 the hpv executive order had an opt out plan..... from politifact: On Feb. 2, 2007, Perry issued an executive order — not a piece of legislation, as he said — requiring the Texas Health and Human Services Commission to adopt rules mandating all girls entering sixth grade to receive a vaccination against the types of HPV, a sexually-transmitted virus, that causes most cases of cervical cancer and genital warts. The order included an opt-out "in order to protect the right of parents to be the final authority on their children's health care." Perry ordered the Department of State Health Services to allow parents dissenting for philosophical or religious reasons to request a conscientious objection affidavit form. That form, which has been available since 2003, enables parents to enroll their children in public school even if they lack state-required immunizations. It's automatically granted as long as parents provide all required information. it goes on to talk about that private schools don't have to accept the opt out form, that seems stupid to me but what ever... it seems like he was trying to do something he thought was good, realized was stupid and has backed away from it......should we tar and feather him?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 02, 2011 03:16 PM (eOXTH)

205 Link does not work.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 03:17 PM (M9Ie6)

206 Rick Perry is a neocon.  (That's Joooo for those of you who are not listening to the voices in your head.)

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:17 PM (5H6zj)

207 Rick Perry squeezed the Charmin.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 02, 2011 03:17 PM (P57Q4)

208 The "who is my choice" question is a rhetorical trap, and irrelevant, as not everyone is in the race yet... Try again.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:17 PM (a8a3g)

209 The "who is my choice" question is a rhetorical trap, and irrelevant, as not everyone is in the race yet... Try again.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 07:17 PM (a8a3g)

LMFAO!!!

Posted by: Tami at August 02, 2011 03:18 PM (X6akg)

210 I found the "number USA page and it does NOT say he supported amnesty.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 03:19 PM (M9Ie6)

211 Bwahahahahahah!

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Tea Party terrorist, and proud of it at August 02, 2011 03:19 PM (UOM48)

212 Well done, Tami. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:19 PM (5H6zj)

213 Numbers USA has a grading for Perry on immagration, it is the top of the page on Yahoo search of "Amnesty Rick Perry"

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:19 PM (a8a3g)

214 I think we're done with this one. 

Next!

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:19 PM (5H6zj)

215 The "who is my choice" question is a rhetorical trap, and irrelevant, as not everyone is in the race yet... Try again.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 07:17 PM (a8a3g)


We already knew you were full of shit. But thanks for making it official.

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 03:19 PM (ECjvn)

216 222 Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 07:12 PM (M9Ie6)

Screw you cracker. Links and details are for socialists and Bush lovers.

Who is this, really?  Sounds familiar.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Tea Party terrorist, and proud of it at August 02, 2011 03:20 PM (UOM48)

217 Seems like an awful lot to say instead of "The overton window moved left" But it's not as ghey.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Jesusland Liberation Army - Political Terror Brigade at August 02, 2011 03:20 PM (lGFXF)

218 Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 02, 2011 07:16 PM (SB0V2)

The big deal is that it can be prevented by abstinence, safe sex, or just being smart. This isn't like mumps or polio or chicken pox. It is a sexually transmitted disease.

It's a family matter, not a public health matter.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 03:20 PM (LH6ir)

219 Yes they graded him low, but he did not support amnesty. BTW, my eval rated him low on Immigration but he did not support amnesty.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 03:21 PM (M9Ie6)

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:21 PM (GTbGH)

221 So everyone here is good with the state of the Texas border then...Hmmmm How are you Texans with the border situation?

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:21 PM (a8a3g)

222 I just wish Perry would jump on in.


Posted by: Jane D'oh, Tea Party terrorist, and proud of it at August 02, 2011 03:21 PM (UOM48)

223

Here's a forecast from an ex-Cali and a 4-year Texan who looks at national politics and the world daily. 

The ticket which can win is Perry/Bachman or Perry/Palin, if Palin will ride ride shotgun...which I doubt. 

Successful governing experience/Tea Party conservatisim/ federal congress experience, and physical attractiveness for the droids. 

May not happen because of RINOs and LINOs but, imho has the chops other than in the NE and Cali.

A ticket to support when the time comes.

RiverRat

Posted by: RiverRat at August 02, 2011 03:21 PM (LdwK7)

224 it seems like he was trying to do something he thought was good, realized was stupid and has backed away from it......should we tar and feather him?

The problem is, he thought butting into children's health care and taking away parent choice *was* a good thing to do.

Basically it went
Problem
Use the States Authority to compel action.
Problem solved.

I have serious issues with that line of thinking. Esp when it is telling me what I *will* do with my child's medical care.

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 03:21 PM (0q2P7)

225 Who is this, really?  Sounds familiar.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Tea Party terrorist, and proud of it at August 02, 2011 07:20 PM (UOM4

That is NJC's sock.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 03:22 PM (M9Ie6)

226 mike he never took the parents choice away....there was an option to opt out......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 02, 2011 03:22 PM (eOXTH)

227 Perry = Satan-worshiping donkey fellators.

Posted by: Your Second or Third Inner Voice, the One That Hates You at August 02, 2011 03:23 PM (Nvw83)

228 How's that Nuevo Laredo - El Paso situation? How's it going over there at Eagle Pass? Perry making some bold moves on the border in the deep interest of Texas citizens?

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:23 PM (a8a3g)

229 Christie is going to get the republican nomination and his running mate will be a hispanic woman who is a born again christian.

either that or bachman and she will be the historic first woman president.

with perry you get "we don't want another republican governor from Texas" from the independents.  With romney you get "we want obamacare repealed and he may not have his heart in it due to romneycare" from independents.

so it's not going to be either of those two.

Posted by: curious at August 02, 2011 03:24 PM (k1rwm)

230

That is NJC's sock.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 07:22 PM (M9Ie6)

I prefer "CBD."

Humph!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 03:24 PM (LH6ir)

231 In A December 2006 editorial, Gov. Perry wrote: "I would rather know who is crossing our border legally to work instead of not knowing who is crossing our border illegally to work. A guest worker program that provides foreign workers with an ID removes the incentive for millions of people to illegally enter our country. It also adds those workers to our tax base, generates revenue for needed social services and it can be done without providing citizenship."

I'm down with this, if it disallows anchor-babies.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:24 PM (GTbGH)

232 But it's not as ghey.

Meh., Fine calls me the ghey then. It's a useful political concept. I'm going to keep using it.

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 03:25 PM (0q2P7)

233 I like Perry/Rubio.

This is my dream pick.  At least for 2012.

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 02, 2011 03:25 PM (EIlEQ)

234 ...I mean bold moves that don't include taking land from citizens for a Transcontinental Corridor up into the middle of the country?

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:25 PM (a8a3g)

235 so charliebrown's dildo has an inner voice? wow......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 02, 2011 03:25 PM (eOXTH)

236 Guys, Numbers USA is against current levels of legal immigration.  I would not rely on the grading scheme from them, or from any advocacy group, without bearing in mind their POV and absent any primary source materials (texts of bills, news accounts, speeches, position papers).

Perry has been governor for a decade.  Surely there must be tons of laws he pushed for and enacted that show what an open borders guy he is. 

Plus, of course, there are all those pictures of him at the border loading illegals into the back of his pick up truck. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:25 PM (5H6zj)

237

"Perry making some bold moves on the border in the deep interest of Texas citizens?"

You bet he is! He cut down Illegal immigration by 1%. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Dude!

Leave Perry alone!

If the country wants that NeoCon, then let 'em have 'em! It's what they deserve!

Posted by: The Bearded Bishop at August 02, 2011 03:26 PM (JMsOK)

238 Perry got caught up in the rush to eliminate a bad thing with a supposed miracle vaccine.

He went too far in trying to get widespread vaccinations.

He got his pee-pee whacked.

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 03:26 PM (ECjvn)

239 So everyone here is good with the state of the Texas border then

In his February 2007 State of the State address, Gov. Perry said: "I am also proposing a $100 million investment in a more secure border. There is no such thing as homeland security without border security. It is not hyperbole to say terrorists view our international border with Mexico as a prime point of entry – that is the conclusion of the U.S. intelligence community.... The best plan to secure our border involves intensive operations with federal, state and local officials working together to seal off common illegal crossings. So far we have used all available resources to fund additional patrol hours, new vehicles, and new technology for local law enforcement."
Source: http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/5567/

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:26 PM (GTbGH)

240 so it's not going to be either of those two.

But what would your *friends* say is the worst Republican nominee?

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 03:26 PM (0q2P7)

241 Like I said... research.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:26 PM (a8a3g)

242 Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 02, 2011 07:22 PM (eOXTH)

Yes, but it required forms and time. It wasn't a trivial thing. Relatively easy, but I think that the state should be careful when compelling this kind of thing. And it is compulsion for many people who are intimidated by the power of the state.

This is by no means a deal-breaker for me, but I would like to hear his rationale for signing the bill.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 03:26 PM (LH6ir)

243 @246

You owe me a monitor. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:27 PM (5H6zj)

244 Plus, of course, there are all those pictures of him at the border loading illegals into the back of his pick up truck. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 07:25 PM (5H6zj)

He just hired them to haul away coyote carcasses.

Posted by: joncelli at August 02, 2011 03:27 PM (Nvw83)

245 OMG meow

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 03:27 PM (ECjvn)

246 ..I mean bold moves that don't include taking land from citizens for a Transcontinental Corridor up into the middle of the country?

Drink!

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:27 PM (GTbGH)

247 Perry has been governor for a decade.  Surely there must be tons of laws he pushed for and enacted that show what an open borders guy he is.

I found some good stuff he did and some bad stuff. The record on that one was "mixed". He is not really "open borders" but he isn't real good on closing the borders either (other than calling for the "fence").

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 03:28 PM (M9Ie6)

248 Research "FINA-NAFI"

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:29 PM (a8a3g)

249 Ya still know who this helps???

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at August 02, 2011 03:29 PM (zgZzy)

250 Research "FINA-NAFI"

no

Posted by: sif t. baggins the Tearorist: Mind Crimes Division at August 02, 2011 03:29 PM (ECjvn)

Posted by: Jose at August 02, 2011 03:30 PM (WTNJJ)

252 Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 02, 2011 07:25 PM (eOXTH)

Nope, that isn't me. Check the hash. And I guess I could be using a proxy, but I don't think that is sporting. There are certain unspoken rules for socking.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 03:30 PM (LH6ir)

253 "Lets just take what land we need for a highway"

Um, are you serious?  This is a totally legitimate reason for the government to take land.  One of the few.  And Texas does have a huge problem with I-35.  We do need more highway.  It's just a fact.

Also, one thing we also need is for Mexico to become a better country.  While the main problem is corruption in their lawless society, we will eventually want them to be a healthy neighbor whose citizens aren't fleeing illegally across our border.

I-35 already is unbelievably clogged with freight from Mexico.  We need more capacity.

My problem with the TTC is not eminent domain.  It's that it doesn't benefit Texans as much as it benefits others.  Making Texas easier to bypass doesn't help our economy.  Making an enormously expensive road should come at the expense of those who use it, and profit Texans instead of someone else.

I want something like the TTC, only done in a more Texas benefiting manner.  And Perry saw the light on this.  He has made a handful of bad calls, and undid them all before they did any harm, and over 11 years of making thousands of calls.  So I think this shows he's a pretty reasonable guy.

Curious thinks people won't vote for Perry because he's from Texas.  That is stupid.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 03:32 PM (519+h)

254 This is by no means a deal-breaker for me, but I would like to hear his rationale for signing the bill.

I re-read the history on this yesterday.  The vaccine came out, shortly thereafter Perry signed an executive order to mandate the vaccine (with opt-out option), a sizable fraction of the public were quite upset, both houses of the legislature bitch-slapped him by passing a law to reverse that EO, and Perry signed it. 

As far as I can tell, zero girls were vaccinated under the program. 


Personally, I am opposed to using schools to deliver vaccines for diseases that are not contagious by casual contact, so I would have opposed that vaccine had I been in Texas.  But with a ten year governorship and his current track-record on jobs, I am not going to disqualify Perry over this.  It was a dumb idea, he got put into his place, that's all. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:32 PM (5H6zj)

255 261 i don't think it's trivial either....i didn't allow my girls to get the vaccine here in az.....and if i were in texas...i would have filled out the form......no matter how much time it took...i pity the kids who have parents who would be bullied into doing something they felt was wrong.....they are being raised to be sheep.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 02, 2011 03:33 PM (eOXTH)

256 My inner voice sounds like a Paulian.

Posted by: sif t. baggins, TEArorist at August 02, 2011 03:33 PM (ECjvn)

257

@271

Awesome....if the Repubs go with Perry, that means Obama wins, and we finally get to make the Democrats take responsiblity for something. That means in 2016 we could actually save it....well considering it lasts that long  

Posted by: The Bearded Bishop at August 02, 2011 03:33 PM (JMsOK)

258 151

He's my governor, you're full of shit.

Posted by: Jimmuy at August 02, 2011 06:44 PM (W789i)

Are all Texans this logical and able to convince with the sweet power of reason and thought?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 02, 2011 06:58 PM (LH6ir)

No, but we're pretty good at telling when someone is full of shit. As said shit-mill's later comments have clearly shown. (Why waste perfectly good logic and reason on a bag full o' shit?)

Posted by: Jimmuy at August 02, 2011 03:33 PM (W789i)

259 PPP Va. poll: Perry 20 Romney 16 Bachmann 15 Palin 13

More interested in Rasmussen. Never put much stock in PPP or Gallup or Pew to accurately poll Republicans or Conservatives.

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 03:33 PM (0q2P7)

260 @266

That's my assessment of him too, Vic.  He's about the same as my current governor or maybe a bit better. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:34 PM (5H6zj)

261 Awesome....if the Repubs go with Perry, that means Obama wins



Good evening, Ladies and Gentlemen

Texas has created 265,000 jobs in the last two years and has a balanced budget.

Thank you and good night.

Posted by: Rick Perry's Stump Speech at August 02, 2011 03:36 PM (GTbGH)

262 Curious thinks people won't vote for Perry because he's from Texas.  That is stupid.

There is a lot of fill in the blank you could be doing with that.

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 03:36 PM (0q2P7)

263 276 My inner voice sounds like a Paulian

Yes. 

I'm sick of doing the trolls' research for them.  I won't do it any longer.  If they have a charge to level, provide a link to a primary source.  Otherwise, STFU. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:36 PM (5H6zj)

264 There you go, "Dustin" is fine with Kelo-v-New London Texans. I would suggest the close research of fairly recent history, and Perry has been in his office a long time. That Corridor is not a regular highway! And, ultimately it is the equivalent of Amnesty on steroids. Oh, and ask interstate truckers how GWB helped their industry...

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:36 PM (a8a3g)

265

If y'all choose to ignore Perry because he's a lttle sqishy on immigration you'll have Obama for 4 more. 

Perry is solid on "smart" immigration and I'm speaking as a Texan who employs people who will work...Latinos and not NE Demoncrats.

Who do propose? Tancredo!  Get a clue...this battle is not about immigration.

RiverRat

Posted by: RiverRat at August 02, 2011 03:38 PM (LdwK7)

266 That Corridor is not a regular highway!

Drink!

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:38 PM (GTbGH)

267 " The vaccine came out, shortly thereafter Perry signed an executive order to mandate the vaccine (with opt-out option), a sizable fraction of the public were quite upset, both houses of the legislature bitch-slapped him by passing a law to reverse that EO, and Perry signed it. "

Fair synopsis.  I found it infuriating.  Partly because the vaccine was not well tested and we didn't even know what the real results of it were.  How effective, how long, etc.

Rick Perry is not nearly as libertarian as I'd like.  That's just a fact.  He's made a couple of calls wrong, and he was willing to deal with the mess once he stepped in it, like a man, signing the bill reversing his own EO in this case. 

Not perfect.  Not a political like Obama.  Do not worship him.  He is not smarter than the average bear and will not affect the rise of the oceans or anything like that.  He will administrate with competence and if he screws up, he will intelligently deal with it.  He has a record of spending cuts, despite an amazing effort to lie about this great record.  He has a record of getting out of the way of the private sector.  It's not like Rick Perry is the reason Texas has such a great economy with all these new jobs.  Rick Perry simply was smart enough not to be the reason we have an intrusive government in the way of those jobs.   Get it?

He doesn't need to be perfect.  He doesn't need to be able to solve everything.  He needs to get government out of our way, and I think he's the most electable guy who will do it.

I do not know this for sure, and we would be idiots to bank on him before he's performed in debates and laid out his plans.  It is so early.  But he's definitely my preference at this prelim stage.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 03:38 PM (519+h)

268 282 Curious thinks people won't vote for Perry because he's from Texas.  That is stupid.

There is a lot of fill in the blank you could be doing with that.

Posted by: MikeTheTearorristHobbitWereMoose (Fully DOOM! Certified and Compliant) at August 02, 2011 07:36 PM (0q2P7)

She'll just claim that she can't see your comment anyways.  Even though that's absolute shit.

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2011 03:39 PM (oVQFe)

269 Just call anyone who asks questions about the recent, easily researched history of their candidate a "troll" or a "Paulian" and that will just make all the questions go away. Smooth.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:40 PM (a8a3g)

270
Curious thinks people won't vote for Perry because he's from Texas.  That is stupid.

Well, since she only knows NYC she is right, people in NYC will not vote for a conservative Texan.  But then again, people in TX will not vote for a liberal from MA or NYC.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2011 03:40 PM (M9Ie6)

271 Seriously, Rick seems the best of a middlin lot to me right now, if you discount Sarah running.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:40 PM (GTbGH)

272 The Perry Mob is on the march, and will not be denied their true-blue "Christain Conservative" candidate.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 03:41 PM (a8a3g)

273 Oh, and ask interstate truckers how GWB helped their industry...

the truckers at your glory hole are not necessarily representative of all truckers.

Posted by: sif t. baggins, TEArorist at August 02, 2011 03:41 PM (ECjvn)

274 Just call anyone who asks questions about the recent, easily researched history of their candidate a "troll" or a "Paulian" and that will just make all the questions go away. Smooth.

We don't want questions, we want answers and links.  Get to fucking work or get your shinebox.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 02, 2011 03:42 PM (GTbGH)

275 I found it infuriating.  Partly because the vaccine was not well tested and we didn't even know what the real results of it were.

Yeah, that was my impression. 

Look, I would be pissed at him over the EO, but in the scope of a decade as governor, it's just not that big a deal to me.

Does anyone really think the Department of Education will be bigger and stronger under President Perry?  I sure don't. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:42 PM (5H6zj)

276 "284 There you go, "Dustin" is fine with Kelo-v-New London Texans. I would suggest the close research of fairly recent history, and Perry has been in his office a long time. That Corridor is not a regular highway! And, ultimately it is the equivalent of Amnesty on steroids. Oh, and ask interstate truckers how GWB helped their industry..."

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 07:36 PM (a8a3g)



Why in the everloving hell would you put my name in quotes?  For some reason the hard left hates my guts lately.

Kelo?  I'm OK with Kelo?

Are you stupid?  I'm OK with the government using land for a highway.  I did not say I was OK with the government taking your home so a business could make a hotel there.

I am OK with the government using land for things government has a legitimate interest in.  Such as roads.  I explained my qualms with the TTC, and as you know, the TTC was not to be.

Democracy works in Texas, you see.  When Perry screwed up, he saw the light of reason.  And he only screwed up a handful of times.  He's been governor longer than all his competition has been, combined, with fewer screwups than most of them (And any of the serious ones).

Your insane attack on me, instead of my opinion, placing BS in my mouth I never said, reminds me a lot of the crap I am getting from other kooks lately.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 03:42 PM (519+h)

277 The Perry Mob is on the march, and will not be denied their true-blue "Christain Conservative" candidate.

There you go, concern troll, you laid the final piece in your troll puzzle.

go get your fuckin shine box.

Posted by: sif t. baggins, TEArorist at August 02, 2011 03:43 PM (ECjvn)

278 227 The "who is my choice" question is a rhetorical trap, and irrelevant, as not everyone is in the race yet... Try again.

Posted by: Your Inner Voice at August 02, 2011 07:17 PM (a8a3g)

They didn't ask which candidate you wanted numb nuts.  Hell Perry isn't a candidate yet.  In your perfect little delusional world, who would you want to vote for?

Posted by: buzzion at August 02, 2011 03:43 PM (oVQFe)

279 Speakin' of shine boxes, I haven't seen Unclefacts in a long time.

Posted by: Tami at August 02, 2011 03:44 PM (X6akg)

280 289 Just call anyone who asks questions about the recent, easily researched history of their candidate a "troll" or a "Paulian" and that will just make all the questions go away. Smooth.

Here are the rules, since clearly you are new. 

If you are going to make an assertion, you need to back it up with facts.  Facts are not "grades" doled out by fringe advocacy groups.  Facts are citations to primary news sources, bills/laws, and speeches. 

Come back when you've done your homework. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:46 PM (5H6zj)

281 Love it when the Paultards come out to play.

HEROIN SHOOTERS FOR EVERYBODY!!!!

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 02, 2011 03:47 PM (7utQ2)

282 Your Inner Voice is almost certainly a retard concern troll whose candidate is Barack Obama.  They want you to think it's Sarah Palin.

The idea is to make Palin and Perry fans hate eachother.  Which is stupid as 90% of one is both.  I like them both.  I think they are both good people.

I do not need to insult people to make my point, unlike asshole concern trolls.  If I disagree, I can explain what about the damn think I disagree with I think is wrong.  It's like rocket science, I guess.

Sure, I might insult you, but my argument doesn't rely on insults and accusations and stupid crap.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 03:47 PM (519+h)

283

Perry can't Win! Just like Jeb Bush can't Win!

He is from Texas. We will rally the opposition, and shut down the base with a Perry Nomination. If he was HardCore-RightWing-Principled Conservative...then O.K. it would make sense. But if you're gonna go with Perry you might as well stick with Romney. Romney will pick up alot more NorthEasters, and I think he wins the Hair War!

Posted by: The Bearded Bishop at August 02, 2011 03:48 PM (JMsOK)

284 People are most familiar with Romney and they are still learning about Bachmann and Perry. For Perry to be in 3rd despite not having formally entered the race is impressive.

Really?  He's still not known; like how many have even heard him speak?  Perry is little more than Mr. Generic Republican right now; that he scores so low is a bad sign; not a good.

Posted by: ParisParamus at August 02, 2011 03:48 PM (prJ2X)

285 Romney will pick up alot more NorthEasters, and I think he wins the Hair War!

Yes, because the key to this election is how much we lose Massachusetts by....10 or 20 points.  Electoral math fail.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 02, 2011 03:51 PM (7utQ2)

286 @304 Your Inner Voice is almost certainly a retard concern troll whose candidate is Barack Obama.  They want you to think it's Sarah Palin.

My money is on a Paulbot, but it could be a lib, I guess.  I would think even a lib would realize this is not a Mitt-friendly site, so that's why I tend to lean Paulbot.  They're the ones most desperate to be considered relevant during the last year and a half of their cult.   

It can't be trying to emulate a Palin supporter given that it keeps flinging out the anti-Christian stuff. 

Posted by: Y-not at August 02, 2011 03:51 PM (5H6zj)

287 299 Speakin' of shine boxes, I haven't seen Unclefacts in a long time.

Posted by: Tami at August 02, 2011 07:44 PM (X6akg)


Seriously.  I miss him.  One of my favorite morons.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Tea Party terrorist, and proud of it at August 02, 2011 03:51 PM (UOM48)

288

@307

Ahhhh Hello? You can't win an election by winning the Bread Basket and Texas! Somebody has to secure Florida, Ohio, Penn, etc....

Rick Perry is sure as hell not going to be able to do that!

Posted by: The Bearded Bishop at August 02, 2011 03:52 PM (JMsOK)

289 "Perry is little more than Mr. Generic Republican right now; that he scores so low is a bad sign; not a good.

Posted by: ParisParamus at August 02, 2011 07:48 PM (prJ2X)"

The poll was of likely republican primary voters, not the general public, Paris.

The Generic Republican comparison makes no sense, IMO.

I think he's doing amazingly well against Romney, who has been running for president nearly the entire long time Perry has been running a state many times larger, more complicated, and more effective than Mass.

And Romney was not reelected.  Why was that?  I know he didn't run, but I think it's because he was unpopular as his term was not very successful.

That matters the most to me.  That's why I prefer Perry to many other republicans apart from ideology.  He was a good enough governor that he was reelected over and over.  More than anyone in my state's history.

He's successful at government leadership.  You're right he is not yet leading in the polls, but he's leading as far as the resume goes.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 03:53 PM (519+h)

290 Posted by: The Bearded Bishop at August 02, 2011 07:48 PM (JMsOK)

your pick?

Posted by: sif t. baggins, TEArorist at August 02, 2011 03:53 PM (ECjvn)

291 Ynot, it could be a paulbot.  I never really got a good grasp on those critters.

Regardless, a lot of concern trolls want to pretend to be Palin fans.  They act terribly and then people assume Palin fans are all crazy.

I realize there really are a few Palin cult of personality types out there, but I think tons of them are concern trolls for Obama.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 03:54 PM (519+h)

292 Rick Perry is sure as hell not going to be able to do that!

Yeah, can't see how Perry could possibly win in Florida.  Or Ohio, Wisconsin, Virginia, Pennsylvania.  Any of those, given the election results last November.  What's job creation when you've got Romneycare to run on?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 02, 2011 03:55 PM (7utQ2)

293

Seriously.  I miss him.  One of my favorite morons.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Tea Party terrorist, and proud of it at August 02, 2011 07:51 PM

Yeah, I agree.  Hope he's ok...

Posted by: Tami at August 02, 2011 04:00 PM (X6akg)

294

@312

I'm a Bachman guy. I am of the opinion that we should get major majorities in the House and Senate and leave Obama in place, The country is too stupid to understand how the government actually works and Democrats will actually have to take some responsiblity. She can't win!

Then in 2016 hopefully we can keep the majorities and find a Conservative to win, and begin fixing some of this stuff.

We are not going to get large enough Majorities and a Conservative President in 2012 to fix any of it anyway, so people need to be careful what they are doing, because Democrats are playing a much more skilled and aggressive long term game than Republican ever dreamed of being able to play.

 

Posted by: The Bearded Bishop at August 02, 2011 04:01 PM (JMsOK)

295 I am definitely bookmarking this page and sharing it with my friends.

Posted by: Always a Witch AudioBook at August 02, 2011 04:03 PM (fhv4U)

296 I am of the opinion that we should get major majorities in the House and Senate and leave Obama in place


Soooo. All those people who go to the polls next November to vote for Republicans for House and Senate should then (since they are already in the voting booth voting for Republicans in large enough numbers to gain majorities in the House and Senate) vote for Obama?

Posted by: sif t. baggins, TEArorist at August 02, 2011 04:12 PM (ECjvn)

297

@314

You're thinking at a high level of political thought. You have failed to consider the what actually wins Presidential elections, amongst the idiot unwashed masses of a spolied rotten country. You're not incorrect....just Idealistic!

Posted by: The Bearded Bishop at August 02, 2011 04:14 PM (JMsOK)

298

@320

No...they should vote their conscience! But with the understanding that the Democrats and the media fully intend to drop a Shit Sammich on the Republican sand force them to take the Blame for Obama, should a Republican win, handing them back the Congress and the Executive Branch in 2016, and that will happend.

So then one has to ask himself...are we playing the same game, and do we even know the rules to game that is being played.

If winning is the goal then fine, but that has nothing to do with actually being able to trun the Sinking Tintanic around. The question becomes, who wants to be the Captain as her bow slips into the Deep.

Posted by: The Bearded Bishop at August 02, 2011 04:19 PM (JMsOK)

299 amongst the idiot unwashed masses of a spolied rotten country

That's my United States of America you are talking about, Hoss.
Remember that.

Posted by: sif t. baggins, TEArorist at August 02, 2011 04:19 PM (ECjvn)

300

@323

Yep....mine too, and I aint afraid to call a Spade-a-Spade!

Posted by: The Bearded Bishop at August 02, 2011 04:21 PM (JMsOK)

301 Since Perry has not officially announced, any polling or analysis including him should also include Palin if you want accuracy.

Posted by: davidt at August 02, 2011 04:22 PM (8Pgd/)

302 1) That Rick Perry is within 6% at 39-45 is big trouble for Romney. Romney has 86% name recognition while Perry has 56% name recognition according to Gallup. Once you correct for name recognition, that puts Romney at about 36% and Perry at 48%.

2) He hasn't even declared yet. He'll get a similar boost to his numbers as other candidates did when they officially entered.

3) Rick Perry was at one of the first TEA Party rallies on April 15, 2009. Pretty hard to argue with those credentials over some of the other more recent converts/panderers.

4) He's been governor for 10 years and lt. governor for 2 years before that. TX Dems are the most vicious bastards around. If they haven't found anything to "get" him with, it's highly unlikely that's there's any real dirt to find on him.

5) When you break down his support numbers from Gallup, he draws almost exactly equally from Bachmann and Romney as well as some from downticket conservative candidates.

6) Both Palin and Giuliani will endorse him.

The race is his to lose.

Posted by: Jim B at August 02, 2011 04:54 PM (QD3//)

303 #325 - Palin's not going to run.

It's not just a matter of showing up and making an announcement that you're going to run. Campaigns require lots of fundraising and campaign infrastructure and she hasn't done any fundraising and she has no campaign infrastructure. She isn't liked by the big money people who are the ones who REALLY fund the campaigns. She consistently polls among the worst against Obama. She's got a got a gig where she is making a ton of money, no way she's going to put her family through that media ring of fire again when she can influence events from her Facebook account. She's too smart to run.

If loyal supporters were all it took to win, we would have elected President Ron Paul in 2008.

Posted by: Jim B at August 02, 2011 04:57 PM (QD3//)

304 "3) Rick Perry was at one of the first TEA Party rallies on April 15, 2009. Pretty hard to argue with those credentials over some of the other more recent converts/panderers."

Yes, it's amazing to me how Romney will explain his views on something after everyone else has.  I don't think Perry can be thrown in that boat.  He's been with the Tea Party from the beginning.  He isn't one of those obnoxious ones who pretends he started the Tea Party.  He simply joined with it.

" he draws almost exactly equally from Bachmann and Romney"

I find this not surprising.  He's got many of both's most positive traits.  What many like about Romney is that he has gravitas and is a hard hitter with executive experience.  No surprise many would switch to Perry there.

I like Bachmann.  I think she will continue to be competitive after Romney is not (I think conventional wisdom is otherwise).  We'll see how well Perry can win her fans over.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 04:59 PM (519+h)

305 #314 -

One word answer for you: unemployment.

If it's still high in November 2012, the guy with the country's strongest employment record is going to beat the snot out of the "lets pivot to jobs over and over" again guy every time.

Posted by: Jim B at August 02, 2011 04:59 PM (QD3//)

306 #328 - The big problems for Bachmann are:

a) No legislative record. Yes, she can point to a whole lot of things she voted AGAINST. But to be perfectly blunt about it, wasn't that PRECISELY what Barack Obama said too?

b) No chief executive experience. She could make a convincing argument against Romney that her lack of experience beats Romney's experience considering that he signed RomneyCare. But how does she make that case against Perry? She can't. And once again, wasn't one of the chief criticisms against Obama that he had never been a chief executive? And hasn't the country been suffering because he's getting OJT training? You can't beat something with nothing, and again - just trying to be completely honest - nothing is all she's got.

Posted by: Jim B at August 02, 2011 05:04 PM (QD3//)

307 Jim, that's true.  Bachmann lacks accomplishments.  I am surprised that she's this successful, but I admit I like her anyway.  I do not think she should be our nominee without serious executive experience.  But apparently her supporters don't agree with me (or more accurately, they have no confidence in the people with experience at this time).

Perry has a clear path to winning many of them over.  We'll see what happens.  If Palin endorses him, he will win.  Period.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 05:14 PM (519+h)

308

Still creaming over SuperRick!, who still though, seems to need the dumb girl to ReallyWin!

Idiots.

ChristieDanielsRyanTrumpCainBachmannPerry

Posted by: njinfl at August 02, 2011 05:45 PM (M2X9r)

309 Try and keep this mind when it comes to the nomination,  From Time magazine article, Mar 31, 1980

http://tinyurl.com/3sebm34

"And since G.O.P. Front Runner Ronald Reagan relies upon a base of support that is on the far right wing of the Republican Party, some experts have long declared that if he wins the nomination, the G.O.P. would simply be repeating the suicidal Goldwater campaign. Ex-President Gerald Ford left no doubt about his views when he warned last month: "A very conservative Republican cannot win in a national election."
 
 
" National opinion polls continue to show Carter leading Reagan by an apparently comfortable margin of about 25%. They also show that more moderate Republicans like Ford would run better against the President"

"Reagan cannot hope to win, however, unless he moves beyond the hard-line conservative base that has sustained him since he first appeared on the national political scene as a spokesman for Goldwater himself. He has no experience in Washington politics or foreign affairs. "
 
"Worse perhaps than the verbal gaffe is Reagan's relentlessly simple-minded discussion of complex problems"
 
"One of his proposed cures for inflation is the notion that a huge tax cut will restore the productive vitality of the economy and control price rises. Most economists believe this approach is nonsense, that it would simply fuel more inflation."
 
"Reagan's loose statements and flabby positions will make splendid targets for Jimmy Carter. John Sears, Reagan's former campaign manager, was worried by that very problem during his year-and-a-half reign, and after Reagan fired him in late February, Sears complained publicly that Reagan does not have well-prepared policy positions. Frets Sears: "I'm not sure that he is now adequately briefed on matters on which politicians and the press and the people hold him to account."

Posted by: Shiggz at August 02, 2011 05:47 PM (v8Pb8)

310 1)Perry is despised by the Dem power brokers in Austin. 2) Perry used the word "secession" in a Tea Party speech. 3) Perry has the radical philosophy that there should be 50 independent States with a weak central government handling defense and what-not for the 50 but otherwise it should STFU. 4) Perry has a lot of faults but he is NOT backed by the MSM or any of the thousands of Soros organizations. I'm open to hearing more from him. God Bless Texas.

Posted by: er at August 02, 2011 06:41 PM (mexsR)

311 Dream Act

Posted by: IlleglaslovePerry at August 02, 2011 06:55 PM (G/JLJ)

312 "

Still creaming over SuperRick!, who still though, seems to need the dumb girl to ReallyWin!

Idiots.

ChristieDanielsRyanTrumpCainBachmannPerry

Posted by: njinfl at August 02, 2011 09:45 PM (M2X9r)"


Perry doesn't think Palin is dumb.  Neither do I.  Only idiots think that.

Frankly, the smarter someone is, the more the MSM hates them.  Just look how they hate Scalia and Thomas.  Thomas is freaking brilliant, and among the most consistent and logical jurists in American history, and the left acts like he belongs on a plantation.

Let me ask: does anyone need Obama's help to win in 2012?  Any big democrats desperate for his endorsement?  Will they after he's kicked out of office?  Bush will have a longer term impact than Obama.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 07:02 PM (519+h)

313

Dustin,

I was sarc-ing at #333.  I'm a depleted uranium hard core Palinista.

Perry is just the latest, most bestest ABP to be pimped by this blog.

Posted by: njinfl at August 02, 2011 07:20 PM (M2X9r)

314

Michele Bachmann in Three-Way with Perry, Romney

Gotta love those headlines!

Posted by: Filthy Sockpuppet at August 02, 2011 07:29 PM (1kwr2)

315 I'm a Romney fan, but Perry is my second choice. I think that Romney's business experience will draw less ideological Republican voters to him. I can't see how anyone can compare him to McCain- speaking personally, I was absolutely repulsed by McCain both in the primaries and the general. As a side note for those Rubio fans, if you're looking for him to be on the ticket, the best chance is with Romney at the top since his relationship with both senior and junior Bush is reportedly strong. Perry- not so much. As Jeb's frequent tears at Rubio's speeches attest, they love them some Marco. I would expect the entire Bush family, if they have any influence here, to recommend Rubio for #2.

Posted by: Moonbeam at August 02, 2011 07:34 PM (kfgVy)

316 I like Romney/Obama.

Posted by: Molon Labe at August 02, 2011 07:42 PM (g5MrG)

317 I'll be voting for Zombie Elvis.  The plus side is Zombie Elvis has more functioning brain cells than anyone in Washington.  The downside is the poor bastard will die again from lack of brains.

Posted by: AdamM at August 02, 2011 08:42 PM (8NmGw)

318 "

I was sarc-ing at #333.  I'm a depleted uranium hard core Palinista.

Perry is just the latest, most bestest ABP to be pimped by this blog.

Posted by: njinfl at August 02, 2011 11:20 PM (M2X9r)"


My bad,

Palin haters are so bad it's hard to know when someone is sarcastically trying to post as one.

Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 10:33 PM (519+h)

319 "I'm a Romney fan, but Perry is my second choice. I think that Romney's business experience will draw less ideological Republican voters to him"

I've heard that before.  I'm probably just too ideological to understand.  I grant Romney made a lot of money with Bain and that shows something impressive with respect to how the business world works.  I don't want to discount that.  But compared to running Texas for 11 years?  Hmm. 

Anyway, you're right that Perry and Bush are not of the same camp.   Romney probably is more like Bush, and I don't mean that as an insult to either.


Posted by: Dustin at August 02, 2011 10:37 PM (519+h)

320 To any conservative who stays home because they don't like the Republican nominee: How'd that work out for ya' in '08?

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party Terrorist at August 03, 2011 06:13 AM (64S5N)

321 Thanks for finding the time to line all this out for people. This particular write-up has been quite helpful to me.

Posted by: Jimmy Choo at August 04, 2011 07:11 PM (ms78E)

322 Slowly, he finds a truth from putting stall is that if he wishes to stay away

Posted by: Shop New Balance at August 10, 2011 01:08 AM (r5X7Y)

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