August 10, 2011

Iowahawk Headline: "London Rioters Resent Media Image of Hooded Teen Thug" UPDATED
— Ace

Iowahawk does it again.

Except all he did was link it on Twitter.

The headline's real. A rag called the Montreal Gazette actually published that headline.

A lot of people are asking if Britain should get their gun rights back.

Some of them even are British.

“Britain’s gun laws are among the most draconian in the world, yet the nation has some of the highest levels of violent crime and burglary in the West, and there is no shortage of gun crime in major cities such as London and Manchester. While criminal gangs are often able to acquire firearms on the black market, ordinary law-abiding British citizens are barred from owning guns for self-defence.

The riots in London, the West Midlands and the North West should prompt a renewed debate in Britain over the right to bear arms by private citizens. The shocking scenes of looting across the country are a reminder that the police cannot always be relied upon to protect homes and businesses during a period of widespread social disorder. The defence of life and property can never be entrusted solely to the state, not least when there is a complete breakdown in law and order. As we have seen this week in Britain, when individuals are barred from defending their own property from mobs of vicious thugs, sheer anarchy and terror reigns.

BTW, the cops claim there was no order given to sit on their hands and do nothing.

I think they're lying, possibly covering for the mayor or something, or their own do-nothing leadership, and it will take a serious investigation to shake them off that lie.

Instapundit has more on the debacle, contrasting Korean shopowners in the 90s LA riots to the disarmed Brits.

UPDATE [DiT]: Looter photoshops, also via Iowahawk.

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Posted by: Ace at 03:43 PM | Comments (364)
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1 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2011 03:44 PM (sYXFH)

2 I don't know if it has been mentioned, but Greg Gutfield, on that 5 show on Fox, asked Bob Beckel if the Left was actually extorting the taxpayers into giving more money to these scum, in order to keep them from rioting. If there were tax cuts, there would be riots. Strangely, Mr. Beckel refused to answer the question. So, I wonder how close to the nail Gutfield actually struck.

Posted by: moki at August 10, 2011 03:46 PM (dZmFh)

3 I'm investing in hoodies and baseball bats.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 03:47 PM (UOM48)

4 BritainÂ’s gun laws are among the most draconian in the world, yet the nation has some of the highest levels of violent crime and burglary in the West, and there is no shortage of gun crime in major cities such as London and Manchester.

But, but I thought guns caused crimes all by themselves!  Theoretically then, no guns should equal little to no gun crime, right?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 03:47 PM (c0A3e)

5

"An armed society is a polite society"  - R. A. Heinlein

"A disarmed society is a violent society"  - Reality

Posted by: ZBBMcFate at August 10, 2011 03:48 PM (Hj9yW)

6 In Britain,realistic TOY guns are illegal.(Many parts of the US also including Nanny Bloombags NYC).TOYS.

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2011 03:49 PM (sYXFH)

7

Oh! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

Posted by: Dennis the Peasant at August 10, 2011 03:49 PM (yjGZ/)

8 1 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2011 07:44 PM (sYXFH)


I don't care.

Obama Is awesome.

Posted by: The Stupid 52 at August 10, 2011 03:49 PM (F2lG1)

9 "These Tea Party people think they can do anything they want. Next thing you know they'll be vacationing on Martha's Vineyard."

- John Kerry

A note from our attorneys: This is not a real quote.

Posted by: dr kill at August 10, 2011 03:49 PM (le5qc)

10 Bless the 3 kids that died as a result of these feral kids and their fucking tantrum.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 10, 2011 03:52 PM (uZ84e)

11 Crazed Palestinian Gunman Angered By Stereotypes

Posted by: The Onion at August 10, 2011 03:52 PM (xy9wk)

12

Iowahawk does it again.

 

...and the amazing thing is that iowahawk didn't start watching SNL until he was 10!

Posted by: garrett at August 10, 2011 03:52 PM (c8L22)

13 The comments in the Daily Mail piece the other day (which obviously is not a scientific sample) made it seem to me like the Brits are quite happy being unarmed. One of them kept telling all the Americans to stop lecturing them about their lack of firearms. I'm not sure why the anti-gun people don't understand that bad guys always have weapons, whether they be guns or knives, and no law will ever fully prevent that. It's just a matter of letting the good guys be armed as well.

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 03:53 PM (YxBuk)

14 Australia too,recently passed draconian gun laws.Again,toy guns are illegal.This world is sick,terminally ill.

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2011 03:54 PM (sYXFH)

15 Britain has lots of gardeners. A sharpened shovel will do wonderful things to a looter.

Cricket bats work too. Just ask Shaun.


Posted by: sifty the Teahad Hobbit at August 10, 2011 03:54 PM (ECjvn)

16 Australia passed their gun ban recently, many years after England. You'd think they'd see the crime stats in England and go, "Oh, shit, well, that was a bad idea."

Instead you get, "Well, they just didn't do it right. We can do it better."

Same result.

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 03:54 PM (YxBuk)

17 11 One of the fathers was asking his friends and neighbors not to retaliate, but to let the legal system deal with the perps. I appreciate his restraint, but a small part of me would like to see his neighborhood take on those scumbags.

Posted by: moki at August 10, 2011 03:54 PM (dZmFh)

18

Violent mobs!

 Coming soon! To a neighborhood near you!

 oh, wait...

 

Posted by: Warren Bonestel at August 10, 2011 03:55 PM (E7Z1r)

19 I'm glad I was able to visit London back when the biggest threat was the IRA.  We actually had to evacuate our hotel one night because of a paper bag found in a hallway.  Turns out it was someone's lunch.

I'd love to see yobs try that stuff down south, not in Atlanta (where it would take off like wildfire) but in the smaller towns and rural areas.  Popcorn time.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 03:55 PM (UOM48)

20 14 The comments in the Daily Mail piece the other day (which obviously is not a scientific sample) made it seem to me like the Brits are quite happy being unarmed.

(A) It hasn't spread to *their* neighborhood yet. 
(B) They like to feel superior to Americans and that's all they've got.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 10, 2011 03:55 PM (73tyQ)

21 I'm not sure why the anti-gun people don't understand that bad guys always have weapons, whether they be guns or knives... Don't they have a knife crime problem? I'm on my phone and too lazy to search.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 10, 2011 03:55 PM (uZ84e)

22 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:55 PM (UOM4

The only thing that makes this scarier than the IRA is that the cops aren't doing anything about it. I wouldn't have wanted to be in England during the IRA bombings. I'm not sure why you think that was a "safer" time.

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 03:56 PM (YxBuk)

23  Coming soon! To a neighborhood near you!

Not in my perimeter neighborhood.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 10, 2011 03:56 PM (GTbGH)

24 Guns wouldn't replace guts. No matter how many they had. The scenes of abject cowardice and meek surrender are heartbreaking.

Hitler's grandson would be living in Buckingham Palace today if this generation of Brits had been in charge during the Blitz.

Posted by: sifty the Teahad Hobbit at August 10, 2011 03:57 PM (ECjvn)

25 Don't they have a knife crime problem? I'm on my phone and too lazy to search.

After the gun ban was initially passed, stabbings skyrocketed. I believe beatings did, too. No linky - I think I heard that when John Lott was on one of the talk radio shows.

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 03:57 PM (YxBuk)

26 16 Britain has lots of gardeners. A sharpened shovel will do wonderful things to a looter.

Cricket bats work too. Just ask Shaun.

lol.  The Winchester rifle at The Winchester worked well enough too.

There was a famous case in Britain a few years ago where a farmer shot at some burglars but in the end, it was the farmer who was deemed the criminal and had to pay some kind of restitution to the burglars and their families.  Pathetic...there are probably similar cases of mis-justice in Australia as well. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 03:57 PM (c0A3e)

27 24 Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:55 PM (UOM4

The only thing that makes this scarier than the IRA is that the cops aren't doing anything about it. I wouldn't have wanted to be in England during the IRA bombings. I'm not sure why you think that was a "safer" time.

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 07:56 PM (YxBuk)

I didn't say it was a safer time.  I totally appreciate the horror the IRA inflicted.  But London is in worse shape now than after the bombings in WW II.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 03:58 PM (UOM48)

28 (A) It hasn't spread to *their* neighborhood yet. 
(B) They like to feel superior to Americans and that's all they've got.

I take (B), they're just like our home-grown lefties.

Posted by: Retread at August 10, 2011 03:58 PM (BO5ap)

29 18 11 One of the fathers was asking his friends and neighbors not to retaliate, but to let the legal system deal with the perps. I appreciate his restraint, but a small part of me would like to see his neighborhood take on those scumbags.

Maybe, he's just saying that for the media.  In his native language he is saying something else.

Though I hope not.  Fuck, what's the point?


Posted by: Jack at August 10, 2011 03:58 PM (8IAHO)

30 I don't even think the Brits are allowed to carry pepper spray, at least that's what somebody I knew who studied for a few semesters in London told me. 

Basically, if you are accosted, all you can do is scream for your life and hope the Bobbies hear you before you are beaten/stabbed/raped/mugged/murdered.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 03:59 PM (c0A3e)

31 Jeffrey Dahmer Resents "Cannibal" Slur, Suggests Simple Red Wine Reduction Sauce As Perfect Accompaniment For Human Kidney.

Posted by: The Daily Bugle at August 10, 2011 03:59 PM (QKKT0)

32 BBC radio last night said they didn't want to use water cannon or rubber bullets "on the mainland" though they have used them in northern Ireland. Then they quoted some citizens whining that there were "no baton charges" against the youths. Perhaps I can't blame the nannied Brits for wanting the cops that tell them not to put chicken wire over their outbuilding windows lest some poor thief get injured sent into the melee with only batons, but, really? I think these British riots are showing that socialism ie marxism leads to anarchy when its done without draconian totalitarianism ala the old Soviet Union. And either way good people who just want to provide for themselves or their families get royally shafted.

Posted by: PaleRider at August 10, 2011 03:59 PM (ql12X)

33 Oh and BTW,these thugs will get off scot free(a few charged with minor offenses with fewer convictions).

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2011 04:00 PM (sYXFH)

34 lol.  The Winchester rifle at The Winchester worked well enough too.

Dogs can look up.


ahh. The movie that gave me the phrase "cockacidal maniac".

Posted by: sifty the Teahad Hobbit at August 10, 2011 04:00 PM (ECjvn)

35 If you cunts don't cough up more tax revenue, I'll kill this fookin' puppy!  Wankers.

Posted by: President O'bama at August 10, 2011 04:00 PM (p2IBw)

36 Let the world disarm.  Then only the US will have guns.  I say it's a win win.

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 10, 2011 04:00 PM (bJF0a)

37 I think there is a significant corollary to the 'an armed society is a polite society' (I agree Mr. Heinlein). Responsible people are jealous of their rights. They will not carelessly risk losing a right by casually abusing it. This is why gun crime from CCW license holders is so low. It's not just that they are already law abiding in the main. They are extra vigilant of their own self control to maintain that right.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 10, 2011 04:01 PM (ENKCw)

38 35 The Irish are Papist wogs and therefore any tactic can be used against them.

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2011 04:01 PM (sYXFH)

39 I know! You construct a weapon. Look around, can you form some sort of rudimentary lathe?

Posted by: AE at August 10, 2011 04:01 PM (YYjeh)

40 Here's the case I was thinking of:

Tony Martin.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 04:01 PM (c0A3e)

41 32 Exactly.Defending yourself is illegal.

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2011 04:02 PM (sYXFH)

42

Redeye showed a clip last night of the rioters "helping" a kid up off the ground who looked like he'd been beaten up, you could even hear the news people commenting on it.  And then they got quiet as they watched them open up his backback and steal some stuff out of it.

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 04:02 PM (GULKT)

43 16 Cricket bats work too. Just ask Shaun.
_________

If cricket bats are so wonderful, why are the Brits all going for baseball bats?

Posted by: Anachronda's home IP is banned at August 10, 2011 04:03 PM (FzhYM)

44 Everybody and their mum has a gun 'round here! -Andy

Who has guns? -Nick Angle

Farmers. - Andy

And farmers' mums. -other Andy

Posted by: sifty the Teahad Hobbit at August 10, 2011 04:04 PM (ECjvn)

45
WOW have you guys seen this crap about the photo that the white house took and RELEASED of the return ceremony for the SEALs?

http://tinyurl.com/3q5ah2e

And here it is on the WH page as the "photo of the day":

http://tinyurl.com/3t3w3kj

This is f------ outrageous.  19 of the 30 families said they DID NOT want photos released, and that means of anything, and Obama fucking did it anyways. 

Outrageous.

Posted by: dan-O at August 10, 2011 04:04 PM (BAjNF)

46 If cricket bats are so wonderful, why are the Brits all going for baseball bats?

Because: America wins.

Posted by: sifty the Teahad Hobbit at August 10, 2011 04:05 PM (ECjvn)

47

If cricket bats are so wonderful, why are the Brits all going for baseball bats?

Because no bat provides such a wonderful haymaker than a good ol' Louisville Slugger (affectionately called "Louie").

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 04:06 PM (c0A3e)

48 BTW, the cops claim there was no order given to sit on their hands and do nothing.

Wouldn't surprise me if there was no order. I don't think you want to dive into a mob unless you're prepared to bust heads and they'd probably get into serious trouble with the PC bosses if they did that.

Posted by: Heorot at August 10, 2011 04:06 PM (bAyio)

49 The style of foxhunting that used to be practiced in the UK didn't use firearms.  The dogs killed the fox; the hunters just rode the horses and followed the dogs.

FWIW, it's still possible for a private citizen to own firearms in the UK, but not for self defense and it's limited to mostly shotguns.

Posted by: ARL at August 10, 2011 04:06 PM (xCoRj)

50 Snake Plissken once killed a big giant dude with a baseball bat. i saw it on TV.

Posted by: sifty the Teahad Hobbit at August 10, 2011 04:07 PM (ECjvn)

51

@16: "Britain has lots of gardeners. A sharpened shovel will do wonderful things to a looter.

Cricket bats work too. Just ask Shaun
."

Zulu spears killed British soldiers quite effectively, too; but look how that war ended.  Looters bricks/molotovs outrange shovels and cricket bats, unfortunately.  Standoff capability is important for defending things against masses of people.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 10, 2011 04:07 PM (xy9wk)

52 50 He really needs to go.GO now before he does more harm.I know it ain't happening but it should.

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2011 04:07 PM (sYXFH)

53 Britain better institute a 'Castle Doctrine' at the same time, or their Ruling Elite Bureaucrat Class will more vigorously pursue any Briton who defends himself than they will the miscreant who caused the threat to them.

And, re: the Newsweek sidebar post, can I offer a 'Fuck Jon Stewart?'  Stewart lambasts Newsweak for their Bachmann picture, because their overt media bias is giving credence to the Right's claims of media bias. The whole bent of Stewart's report, in fact, does the same thing with it's 'fuck the WingNutz' commentary, but we know Little Jonny isn't really quick enough to spot that subtlety.

Posted by: nickless at August 10, 2011 04:08 PM (MMC8r)

54 48-cricket bats are thin and flat-great for spanking, but not particularly useful for stoppage. Baseball bats are. One of the weirder country rules we encountered was that baseball bats are actually outlawed in Poland, as deadly weapons. Wait for the Brits to hear that, and impose it on their subjects.

Posted by: moki at August 10, 2011 04:08 PM (dZmFh)

55 Michael Caine and Sean Connery could end this shit in one night.

Deputize them and let them loose.

Posted by: sifty the Teahad Hobbit at August 10, 2011 04:09 PM (ECjvn)

56 One of the comments in the Daily Mail article said, "If there was Sharia law, this would never happen." I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 04:09 PM (YxBuk)

57 I'm coming for your blunt objects

Posted by: bho at August 10, 2011 04:09 PM (2Lchj)

58

@20: "I'd love to see yobs try that stuff down south, not in Atlanta (where it would take off like wildfire) but in the smaller towns and rural areas.  Popcorn time."

I was at UGA during the Rodney King riots.  When stuff started getting a little crazy in Techwood, there were concerns that the projects in Athens might start rioting, too.  The owner of Franklin's gun store then announced that he was running a special: an SKS and 100 rounds of ammo for $79.  Athens was very quiet after that.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 10, 2011 04:10 PM (xy9wk)

59 If cricket bats are so wonderful, why are the Brits all going for baseball bats?

A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms. Enthusiasms, enthusiasms... What are mine? What draws my admiration? What is that which gives me joy? Baseball!

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 10, 2011 04:10 PM (bjRNS)

60 Posted by: President O'bama at August 10, 2011 08:00 PM (p2IBw)

You stuttering cluster fuck wanker!
Don't you go running around running around re ro.

Posted by: Terry Donovan at August 10, 2011 04:10 PM (F2lG1)

61 I see a hoodie and a mask coming at me he/she gets two in the chest and one in the head.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:11 PM (x3YFz)

62 I think these British riots are showing that socialism ie marxism leads to anarchy when its done without draconian totalitarianism ala the old Soviet Union. Exactly. Now, how to effectively message this to Americans that hate preachy politics and shit without an honest press to help. Cuz, you know the millionaire billionaire Tories are to blame for the brutalization of the underclass that deserve a fine wine with their flatscreen.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 10, 2011 04:11 PM (uZ84e)

63 62 One of the comments in the Daily Mail article said, "If there was Sharia law, this would never happen." I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 08:09 PM (YxBuk)

Just wait till that idiot finds out that they aren't allowed to drink under Sharia.

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 04:11 PM (GULKT)

64 @24: "I wouldn't have wanted to be in England during the IRA bombings. I'm not sure why you think that was a "safer" time."

The IRA phoned in warnings about their bombs.  The goal was to disrupt commerce and show that they could strike anywhere, at any time, not to inflict casualties.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 10, 2011 04:12 PM (xy9wk)

65 Cuz, you know the millionaire billionaire Tories are to blame for the brutalization of the underclass that deserve a fine wine with their flatscreen.

Hey, they're just taking their taxes back! I wonder if I can steal the flat screen TVs from the welfare queens or raid the Katrina FEMA trailers and tell them I'm taking *my* taxes back.

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 04:12 PM (YxBuk)

66 [...] baseball bats are actually outlawed in Poland, as deadly weapons.

California law outlaws them, too, sorta. An ex-cop explained it to me thusly: "You're taking it to a game, and you tell the cop nicely, then it's a baseball bat. You give him attitude, and it's a club, and you're going to jail."

Have I mentioned I hate living here sometimes?

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 10, 2011 04:13 PM (bjRNS)

67 I see a hoodie and a mask coming at me he/she gets two in the chest and one in the head.

That's the fact Jack.

This crazy flash mob looting shit will be in Los Angeles in a month when the temps fall a bit.

 


Posted by: sifty the Teahad Hobbit at August 10, 2011 04:13 PM (ECjvn)

68 71-brilliant.

Posted by: moki at August 10, 2011 04:13 PM (dZmFh)

69

Ot but this is an answer someone asked me in the other threat

171

When did your warriors join the af?  I'm a recovering Military Training Instructor, and I'd bet the rent I know their TIs.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 07:27 PM (x3YFz)

The first one went through ROTC at Mississippi State University and got her commission in 1999. Right now she is a Major and in Paris France. She just gratuated from DLI in Monterey.

The younger one is a TSGT, she enlisted on June 11, 2011 and was in Lackland during 911.

Both have been deployed several times, the worst one was when both of them were in Iraq at the same time, one in Bagdad and one in Kirkuk

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 10, 2011 07:34 PM (H/MnC)

Posted by: Ma Bell at August 10, 2011 04:13 PM (H/MnC)

70 50
WOW have you guys seen this crap about the photo that the white house took and RELEASED of the return ceremony for the SEALs?

http://tinyurl.com/3q5ah2e

And here it is on the WH page as the "photo of the day":

http://tinyurl.com/3t3w3kj

This is f------ outrageous.  19 of the 30 families said they DID NOT want photos released, and that means of anything, and Obama fucking did it anyways. 

Outrageous.

Posted by: dan-O at August 10, 2011 08:04 PM (BAjNF)


This WH is criminal.  And keep in mind, the Hollywood film coming out Oct. 12, 2012 about Barky taking out bin Laden.  They've literally given the producer full access to secret information at the Pentagon about the kill.  Rep. Steve King wants an investigation into this crap.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 04:13 PM (UOM48)

71

Just wait till that idiot finds out that they aren't allowed to drink under Sharia.

Well, the males are *allowed* to, but if you're one of those idiot drunk woman rioters, you would probably be flogged under Sharia law if caught out in public, or even in your home, inebriated. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 04:14 PM (c0A3e)

72 Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 10, 2011 08:12 PM (xy9wk)

Except for the schools they bombed in Northern Eire?

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 04:14 PM (YxBuk)

73 The IRA phoned in warnings about their bombs.  The goal was to disrupt commerce and show that they could strike anywhere, at any time, not to inflict casualties.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 10, 2011 08:12 PM (xy9wk)

Amatuers.

Posted by: Any Allah Respecting Muslim at August 10, 2011 04:14 PM (jucos)

74 From Kratos' Tony Martin link:

During 2003, Fearon applied for, and received, an estimated £5,000 of legal aid to sue Martin for loss of earnings due to the injuries he had sustained. However, the case was thrown into doubt when photographs were published in The Sun, showing him "cycling and climbing with little apparent difficulty" suggesting that Fearon's injuries were not as serious as had been claimed. While the case was pending, Fearon was recalled to jail after being charged with the theft of a vehicle while on probation on a conviction for dealing heroin.


The shocker, to me, is not that the bad guy sued farmer Tony but that he was given legal aid to do so. That's a welfare state gone crazy.

Posted by: Retread at August 10, 2011 04:14 PM (BO5ap)

75

I do wonder what it takes for someone to overcome all of their years of liberal indoctrination. For me, living in America during 9/11 brought me to the conservative side.

In terms of gun ownership, the shooting at Virginia Tech made me realise that all of the 'gun nuts' were correct and the gun-free zone only applied to the victims. Knowing the typical lefty response, that was the day I joined the NRA.

 

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 10, 2011 04:14 PM (GKQDR)

76 I have parrots.  Weird opening comment, but what that means is I keep in touch with about 40-80 people that live in Britain, Australia, New Zealand, China, Taiwan and a whole bunch of other places.  Many of those folks I count as friends, and they're scared.

Wish I could do more to help them.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:14 PM (x3YFz)

77 Hey, they're just taking their taxes back! I wonder if I can steal the flat screen TVs from the welfare queens or raid the Katrina FEMA trailers and tell them I'm taking *my* taxes back.

Setting your sights too low, Rum.

I want the Enterprise.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2011 04:15 PM (7utQ2)

78

I haven't read all of the comments yet, but has anyone noticed...yeah they have.

Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.

Posted by: Guy who doesn't read the comments at August 10, 2011 04:15 PM (hbAPu)

79 California law outlaws them, too, sorta. An ex-cop explained it to me thusly: "You're taking it to a game, and you tell the cop nicely, then it's a baseball bat. You give him attitude, and it's a club, and you're going to jail."

Which is why you carry one of those huge black Mag-Lites.  "No, officer, it's only a flashlight!".

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 04:15 PM (c0A3e)

80 Asked by a TV reporter "Is rioting the correct way to express your discontent?", one of the rioters said "Yes. You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?" "Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you." Britain's worst rioting in decades were in 1985. A policeman was hacked to death. After these riots, the same young man pointed out, "They built us a swimming pool." http://tinyurl.com/3c7jjoy

Posted by: moorebeer at August 10, 2011 04:15 PM (3MTp9)

81 72-seriously? Any chance you could move? When our household effects arrived, the Polish customs confiscated my kids' baseball bats. Made it heck when they had school leagues. The school had to get special permission from the government to have bats, and had rules for issuing them to the students-essentially, only at practice and games, otherwise they had to be locked up. I see this silliness coming to the US far too quickly.

Posted by: moki at August 10, 2011 04:15 PM (dZmFh)

82 79 The IRA phoned in warnings about their bombs.  The goal was to disrupt commerce and show that they could strike anywhere, at any time, not to inflict casualties.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 10, 2011 08:12 PM (xy9wk)

Amatuers.

Posted by: Any Allah Respecting Muslim at August 10, 2011 08:14 PM (jucos)

Warriors.  Honorable ones, at that.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:16 PM (x3YFz)

83
California law outlaws them, too, sorta. An ex-cop explained it to me thusly: "You're taking it to a game, and you tell the cop nicely, then it's a baseball bat. You give him attitude, and it's a club, and you're going to jail."

My truck always has a baseball glove, some baseballs, and two bats behind the seats. Never know when I might want to take the boy out to the park for a catch.

I also like to keep a 1 1/4" combination wrench in the map pocket of the driver's door for tightening the big bolts on the bumpers which keep working lose.

Posted by: sifty the Teahad Hobbit at August 10, 2011 04:16 PM (ECjvn)

84 In terms of gun ownership, the shooting at Virginia Tech made me realise that all of the 'gun nuts' were correct and the gun-free zone only applied to the victims. Knowing the typical lefty response, that was the day I joined the NRA.

That makes two of us.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2011 04:16 PM (7utQ2)

85 Wish I could do more to help them.

Help them with their asylum application?

(Hopefully the Texas morons will do the same for me if the time comes.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 10, 2011 04:16 PM (bjRNS)

86 76 I bet they let them watch the real footage.

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2011 04:16 PM (sYXFH)

87 I want the Enterprise.

The shuttle? Or NC-1701?

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 04:16 PM (YxBuk)

88

@67: "I see a hoodie and a mask coming at me he/she gets two in the chest and one in the head."

You were, aware, sir, that tonight was Halloween? I learned my lesson after the Shakespeare in the Park mishap.

Posted by: Frank Drebin, Tangonine's Arresting Officer at August 10, 2011 04:18 PM (xy9wk)

89  The school had to get special permission from the government to have bats, and had rules for issuing them to the students-essentially, only at practice and games, otherwise they had to be locked up. I see this silliness coming to the US far too quickly.

Posted by: moki at August 10, 2011 08:15 PM (dZmFh)

They'll take my Louisville Sluggers from my cold dead hands.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist and Baseball Lover at August 10, 2011 04:18 PM (jucos)

90 I want the Enterprise.

The shuttle? Or NC-1701?

CVN-65

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2011 04:18 PM (7utQ2)

91 18 11 One of the fathers was asking his friends and neighbors not to retaliate, but to let the legal system deal with the perps. I appreciate his restraint, but a small part of me would like to see his neighborhood take on those scumbags. Posted by: moki at August 10, 2011 07:54 PM (dZmFh) This must have been shortly after he got his son's blood all over his own face trying to resuscitate his boy. Surprising reaction. One would expect the opposite given that situation. Yet another reason I don't want the US to be more like Europe.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 10, 2011 04:18 PM (uZ84e)

92 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2011 08:18 PM (7utQ2)

Heh. I call dibs on the shuttle.

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 04:19 PM (YxBuk)

93 I thought the Poles would be smarter than that.

Posted by: steevy at August 10, 2011 04:19 PM (sYXFH)

94 Holy shit!

The best O'Reilly in years!

Posted by: They Call Me Mr. Tibbs at August 10, 2011 04:19 PM (piMMO)

95

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2011 08:18 PM (7utQ2)

An elegant weapon of war. 

Unfortunately, the Chi-Coms are busy building their own fleet and we're helping finance this endeavor. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 04:20 PM (c0A3e)

96 A few years ago, my sister gave me a tool for Christmas that cracks open a window if you're trapped under water, and has a razor thingy to cut seat belts.

The glass breaking end of the tool is quite...heavy and interesting.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 04:20 PM (UOM48)

97 Wow this is soo helpful I have been trying to figure this out on my own for a long time now. Hopefully making this change will help encourage discussion on my blog.

Posted by: The Accident Audio Book at August 10, 2011 04:20 PM (gRXfV)

98 The best word I've heard yet to describe these vermin is feral.

I take care of a colony of feral cats. They do not bite the hand that feeds them.

Posted by: They Call Me Mr. Tibbs at August 10, 2011 04:21 PM (piMMO)

99 seriously? Any chance you could move?

Seriously. Same type of thing applies to knives -- if you're pleasant with the policeman about your paring knife, then it's a paring knife; if you're not, it's a dirk.

I normally have pretty good relations with the cops I run into. (Well, except for the one I got into a fight with on the hockey rink.) But I don't like their ability to make a judgement call like that.

I have an escape plan, should I need it.


Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 10, 2011 04:21 PM (bjRNS)

100 94

@67: "I see a hoodie and a mask coming at me he/she gets two in the chest and one in the head."

You were, aware, sir, that tonight was Halloween? I learned my lesson after the Shakespeare in the Park mishap.

Posted by: Frank Drebin, Tangonine's Arresting Officer at August 10, 2011 08:18 PM (xy9wk)

On Halloween it's a shotgun.  Can't match the round to the barrel. 00 buck ftw.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:21 PM (x3YFz)

101 105 The best word I've heard yet to describe these vermin is feral.

I take care of a colony of feral cats. They do not bite the hand that feeds them.

Posted by: They Call Me Mr. Tibbs at August 10, 2011 08:21 PM (piMMO)

feral bunnies!  with BIG TEETH!

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:22 PM (x3YFz)

102 A few years ago, my sister gave me a tool for Christmas that cracks open a window if you're trapped under water, and has a razor thingy to cut seat belts.

The glass breaking end of the tool is quite...heavy and interesting.

I have one of those and gave one to my mother as well. As freaked out as I get crossing some bridges, it's surprising I haven't stuffed life vests under my seats yet.

Posted by: They Call Me Mr. Tibbs at August 10, 2011 04:22 PM (piMMO)

103 The shuttle? Or NC-1701?

That's NCC, little girl.

Posted by: Matt Jefferies at August 10, 2011 04:22 PM (w89E+)

104 We prey for mob action down here in Texas.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 10, 2011 04:23 PM (1fB+3)

105 Unfortunately, the Chi-Coms are busy building their own fleet and we're helping finance this endeavor.

Two ways to view it.

A.  Worrisome.

B.  Stocking up on popcorn to watch the landing practice.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2011 04:23 PM (7utQ2)

106 We prey for mob action down here in Texas.

I see what you did there.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 10, 2011 04:23 PM (bjRNS)

107 Thankfully, this woman survived her ordeal with the "yobs":

Revealed: Face of woman who leapt from the flames to escape the Croydon inferno



Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 04:24 PM (c0A3e)

108 102

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 10, 2011 08:18 PM (7utQ2)

An elegant weapon of war. 

Unfortunately, the Chi-Coms are busy building their own fleet and we're helping finance this endeavor. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 08:20 PM (c0A3e)

If I told you what I know, which I can't (need to keep that TS), you'd weep.  We're so fucked it's not funny.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:25 PM (x3YFz)

109 105 The best word I've heard yet to describe these vermin is feral.

I take care of a colony of feral cats. They do not bite the hand that feeds them.

Posted by: They Call Me Mr. Tibbs at August 10, 2011 08:21 PM (piMMO)

The best word that I think should be used to describe these vermin is Targets

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 04:25 PM (GULKT)

110 That's NCC, little girl.

Posted by: Matt Jefferies at August 10, 2011 08:22 PM (w89E+)

It was a typo!

Oh hey, are you why they're called Jefferies Tubes?

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 04:26 PM (YxBuk)

111 119 That's NCC, little girl.

Posted by: Matt Jefferies at August 10, 2011 08:22 PM (w89E+)

It was a typo!

Oh hey, are you why they're called Jefferies Tubes?

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 08:26 PM (YxBuk)

Go have a cookie Rum.  Good job

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 04:28 PM (GULKT)

112 Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them. Yet no one could have foreseen that day that America would be led by a man of African descent.

Posted by: Major Major at August 10, 2011 04:28 PM (VMcEw)

113 In the United Kingdom, it is my understanding that you have to get a "permit" of some sort to buy a fucking pizza cutter.  That was at the time they were trying to outlaw steak knives for gawds sake.!

Posted by: jwm at August 10, 2011 04:28 PM (spEu4)

114 If I told you what I know, which I can't (need to keep that TS), you'd weep.  We're so fucked it's not funny.

I don't doubt you, brother.  At least these Red aircraft carriers would be vulnerable to the next generation of cruise missiles, should we ever bother to develop them. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 04:29 PM (c0A3e)

115

Oh hey, are you why they're called Jefferies Tubes?

Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 08:26 PM (YxBuk)

Jeffreis was the name of the set designer or whatever job it was that designed much of the ships in Star Trek. The Jeffries tubes were named in honor of him.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 10, 2011 04:29 PM (GKQDR)

116 Hey, they're just taking their taxes back! I wonder if I can steal the flat screen TVs from the welfare queens or raid the Katrina FEMA trailers and tell them I'm taking *my* taxes back. Posted by: Rum, High Functioning Sociopath at August 10, 2011 08:12 PM (YxBuk) It's totally racist to take federally funded televisions away from people that survived a hurricane 6 years ago.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 10, 2011 04:29 PM (uZ84e)

117 When one reads the pablum coming from your average Brit in the Daily Mail,... bah. Where's bigel?

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 10, 2011 04:29 PM (ueOM5)

118 Because no bat provides such a wonderful haymaker than a good ol' Louisville Slugger (affectionately called "Louie"). Ash, maple or aluminum (aluminium)

Posted by: pko Strany at August 10, 2011 04:30 PM (RJOgX)

119 Yet no one could have foreseen that day that America would be led by a man of African descent.

Posted by: Major Major at August 10, 2011 08:28 PM (VMcEw)

SRLY?


Still pissed about last night in Wisconsin? Poor thing.



Posted by: sifty the Teahad Hobbit at August 10, 2011 04:30 PM (ECjvn)

120 116 112 We prey for mob action down here in Texas.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 10, 2011 08:23 PM (1fB+3)

I love Texans.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 08:24 PM (qjUnn)

I call myself a Texan.  My family moved around so much (mom running from my crazy father) we hit every state west of the Mississippi.  I settled in Texas, and LOVE Texase, but... I love Colorado even more.  clear fields of fire, elk, bear, trout, deer, NO HUMIDITY. 

Just stay south of Denver and Boulder.  Denver = hippies and a central hub for the mexican drug trade, Boulder = stupid rich hippies and liberal shitbags.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:30 PM (x3YFz)

121

@69: "Just wait till that idiot finds out that they aren't allowed to drink under Sharia."

Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan: I can taste neither the fermentation of grape, nor of wheat.  What? Why do you laugh? 
Herger the Joyous:  HONEY! It's made from honey!

Posted by: Mead, glorious Mead at August 10, 2011 04:30 PM (xy9wk)

122 aluminum

Watch a Brit try to pronounce that. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 04:31 PM (c0A3e)

123

Posted by: Frank Drebin, Tangonine's Arresting Officer at August 10, 2011 08:18 PM

Hey Frank! Howyadooin?

Posted by: fluffy at August 10, 2011 04:32 PM (4pSIn)

124 alouminiam

Posted by: phoenixgirl at August 10, 2011 04:33 PM (eOXTH)

125 O'Reilly is finally doing something worthwhile.

Going after that bitch Cynthia McKinney, running around in the Mideast bashing the U.S.

PUT THAT BITCH IN JAIL.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 04:33 PM (UOM48)

126 I read an article this afternoon where a police chief was basically saying that the squirt gun method was far too draconian for these precious Yobs. They're ticketed and sent on their way, thank you very much!

Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 04:33 PM (Ws7wI)

127 Mexican drug trade and liberal policies mix about as well as Gin and Milk. Beware! Btw, if you have a good gin & milk drink recipe, do share.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 10, 2011 04:34 PM (uZ84e)

128 131 aluminum Watch a Brit try to pronounce that. Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 08:31 PM (c0A3e) "Al-lee-me-nee-um." Sounds like their g-strings are too tight.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 04:34 PM (kUaEF)

129 Lord. McKinney is on with Bill O's guy Jesse Waters.  She works for Saddam Hussein's former defense attorney. 

!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 04:34 PM (UOM48)

130 PUT THAT BITCH IN JAIL.

If there was any justice, she'd be in jail at least twice, once for assaulting a police officer and the other for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. 

Remember this?

McKinney appears on Libyan TV

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 04:36 PM (c0A3e)

131 Home owners should burn down a police station or home of an MP for every building the looters burn. Then force a consitution guaranteeing the right to self defense.   "They burn our homes we burn yours."   After a few MPs end up homeless they'll have a entirley different outlook...

Posted by: theworldisnotenough at August 10, 2011 04:36 PM (w53kK)

132 123 If I told you what I know, which I can't (need to keep that TS), you'd weep.  We're so fucked it's not funny.

I don't doubt you, brother.  At least these Red aircraft carriers would be vulnerable to the next generation of cruise missiles, should we ever bother to develop them. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 08:29 PM (c0A3e)

It's pretty simple:  just overwhelm Aegis with numbers.  Low tech and sheer volume. 300 incoming.  It's not a mental leap it's simple, stupid, and it works.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:37 PM (x3YFz)

133 Sounds like their g-strings are too tight.

I never trust anyone that doesn't tune at least a 1/2 step down.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at August 10, 2011 04:37 PM (JEvSn)

134 our mistake is we built our defenses bases on our own capabilities.  M I S T A K E.  Fucking pentagon.  They don't know shit.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:38 PM (x3YFz)

135 I want the Enterprise. CVN-65 or OV-101?

Posted by: pko Strany at August 10, 2011 04:38 PM (RJOgX)

136 Oh hey, are you why they're called Jefferies Tubes?

Yep!  Anyway, I came up with "NCC" by adding an extra "C" to the standard "NC" registration used for U.S. military aircraft.  Ya know, 'cause it was the future and stuff.  Later a bunch of Trekkies came up with the idea it stood for Naval Construction Contract, but whatever, so long as I was able to take Yeoman Rand behind the soundstage every so often and slip her my own Jefferies Tube.

Posted by: Matt Jefferies at August 10, 2011 04:40 PM (w89E+)

137

@103: "A few years ago, my sister gave me a tool for Christmas that cracks open a window if you're trapped under water, and has a razor thingy to cut seat belts."

Oh sure.....where was that when I needed one?

Posted by: Zombie Jessica Savitch at August 10, 2011 04:41 PM (xy9wk)

138 I just talked to my mom.  We have relatives in Birmingham.  My aunt and several cousins.  My oldest cousin has 2 daughters 18 and 15 and a son 13.  They are grounded.  As in they do not go out of the house until this shit stops.  They are beyond pissed.

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:41 PM (Z71Vg)

139 What? I post about a great O'Reilly moment and nobody inquires about it?

I'm telling you anyway.

There is a pretty blonde, tan lady, a business-owner, who has been on FNC quite a bit lately. I wish I could remember her name. Well, O'Reilly had her and another woman on to discuss current affairs. Before it was over the one nutty bitch had explained that the problem with the economy is created by the lack of demand (no shit?) and that the cause is businesses refusing to hire people. Now, let's not just assume her argument ended there folks. She took it to another level.

Businesses, even without demand, need to hire people because once they start paying them, they can become consumers and THAT will drive up demand.

I might be making light of the business owner's response in saying that she completely lost her shit.

Posted by: They Call Me Mr. Tibbs at August 10, 2011 04:41 PM (piMMO)

140 128 Yet no one could have foreseen that day that America would be led by a man of African descent. Posted by: Major Major at August 10, 2011 08:28 PM (VMcEw) I think everyone assumed it would happen sooner or later. But the fact a unique combination of circumstances including unprecedented terrorist acts, two wars, and a major financial disaster led to the election of an narcissistic, incompetent, utterly unqualified and untalented mulatto to the White House must be considered a double blow to black people everywhere.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 04:42 PM (kUaEF)

141 You only need a 5% strike rate.  You don't think China can just crank out thousands of low tech missiles?  Enough to cripple a fleet.  Fuck, I could do it.

Course... I'd get a knock on my door from a SEAL team, but it's China:  there's 20 people waiting to take my place.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:42 PM (x3YFz)

142 146 @103: "A few years ago, my sister gave me a tool for Christmas that cracks open a window if you're trapped under water, and has a razor thingy to cut seat belts." Oh sure.....where was that when I needed one? Posted by: Zombie Jessica Savitch at August 10, 2011 08:41 PM (xy9wk) Jessica, you were so drugged out that night, you could have had it up your cute little ass and not known where it was.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 04:43 PM (kUaEF)

143 It's pretty simple:  just overwhelm Aegis with numbers.  Low tech and sheer volume. 300 incoming.  It's not a mental leap it's simple, stupid, and it works.

Yep - sink a multi-million dollar aircraft carrier with lots cheaper missiles. 

IIRC, there are Russian copies of the Sunburn missile available that can also evade most aircraft-carrier-based defense systems. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 04:43 PM (c0A3e)

144 Home owners should burn down a police station or home of an MP for every building the looters burn. Then force a consitution guaranteeing the right to self defense.   "They burn our homes we burn yours."   After a few MPs end up homeless they'll have a entirley different outlook...

Methinks this concept, "self-defense", does not mean what you think it means.

Posted by: They Call Me Mr. Tibbs at August 10, 2011 04:44 PM (piMMO)

145

@107: "00 buck ftw"

Bah.  Handloads with lengths of #12 piano wire.  Or cut-shells with birdshot.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 10, 2011 04:44 PM (xy9wk)

146 Eh, mate, Barack Obama is a bloody bollocksed pillocky cock-up of a wretched bloody shagging, what?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 10, 2011 04:44 PM (AZGON)

147 147 I just talked to my mom. We have relatives in Birmingham. My aunt and several cousins. My oldest cousin has 2 daughters 18 and 15 and a son 13. They are grounded. As in they do not go out of the house until this shit stops. They are beyond pissed. Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 08:41 PM (Z71Vg) By God, if this crap ever comes to these shares there WILL be lynchings, and not just of rioters. The powers-that-be had BETTER be prepared to act with more balls than David Cameron and his crew.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 04:45 PM (kUaEF)

148 David Burge SEND A GUN TO DEFEND A BRITISH HOME (1940)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 04:45 PM (UOM48)

149 Shout out from Kenessaw, city with the lowest probability for riots in the U.S.

Posted by: Minuteman at August 10, 2011 04:45 PM (hbAPu)

150 By God, if this crap ever comes to these shares there WILL be lynchings, and not just of rioters. The powers-that-be had BETTER be prepared to act with more balls than David Cameron and his crew.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 08:45 PM (kUaEF)


raaaaaaccccciiiiiiiiissssssstttttt

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 04:46 PM (qiOph)

151 I never trust anyone that doesn't tune at least a 1/2 step down. Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at August 10, 2011 08:37 PM (JEvSn) What tuning is that? Sounds like it would be flat.

Posted by: ErikW at August 10, 2011 04:46 PM (y/98P)

152

By God, if this crap ever comes to these shares there WILL be lynchings, and not just of rioters. The powers-that-be had BETTER be prepared to act with more balls than David Cameron and his crew.

Cameron doesn't have any balls. He's a worthless piece of shit.

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:46 PM (Z71Vg)

153 WTF? Is this place being fucked with again?

Posted by: ErikW at August 10, 2011 04:47 PM (y/98P)

154 158 Shout out from Kenessaw, city with the lowest probability for riots in the U.S.

Posted by: Minuteman at August 10, 2011 08:45 PM (hbAPu)

My lib in-laws don't live far from you (in a retirement village).  They don't approve of guns.

However, a high-five from a gun-lover from the coast.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 04:47 PM (UOM48)

155 My oldest cousin has 2 daughters 18 and 15 and a son 13. They are grounded. As in they do not go out of the house until this shit stops. They are beyond pissed.

Good for your cousin! This is what every parent in England should be doing right now.

Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 04:48 PM (Ws7wI)

156 raaaaaaccccciiiiiiiiissssssstttttt Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 08:46 PM (qiOph) If anyone was stoopid enuff to be offended by my comment, I feel sorry for them.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 04:48 PM (kUaEF)

157 The oh so wise mayor of Kansas City is thinking about a 9:00 curfew.  We have had mobs running thru the Plaza since late last Fall.  A friend of mine knows a couple who got the shit beat out of them at a restaurant a few weeks ago.  No one did a damn thing and the cops did nothing either.  Total bullshit what's going on right now.  Total bullshit.

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:50 PM (Z71Vg)

158 Philly's Mayor Nutter rocks.  He'd be run out of town on a rail in Atlanta.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 04:50 PM (UOM48)

159 Go ahead and outlaw baseball bats.  In the tradition of friendly Friar Tuck, you can always find a sturdy piece of hardwood for dual use as a walking staff...

Posted by: drfredc at August 10, 2011 04:50 PM (iNKlO)

160

I passed through Dearbornistan, Michigan today. That has to be one of the cities with the highest probability for riots in the U.S.

 

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 10, 2011 04:50 PM (GKQDR)

161 So long as I was able to take Yeoman Rand behind the soundstage every so often and slip her my own Jefferies Tube. Posted by: Matt Jefferies at August 10, 2011 08:40 PM (w89E+) When I was 14, I was sure Yeoman Rand had her very own holodeck in her panties.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 04:51 PM (kUaEF)

162 152 It's pretty simple:  just overwhelm Aegis with numbers.  Low tech and sheer volume. 300 incoming.  It's not a mental leap it's simple, stupid, and it works.

Yep - sink a multi-million dollar aircraft carrier with lots cheaper missiles. 

IIRC, there are Russian copies of the Sunburn missile available that can also evade most aircraft-carrier-based defense systems. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 08:43 PM (c0A3e)

And US Naval Warfare needs to move back to the volume over quality approach.  For every genius in the US there are 10 in China, you don't think they're farming the smartest?  They are.  China has the advantage in numbers, EVERYWHERE:  bullets, missiles, rifles, cyber, geniuses. 

If I knew how to defend against China I'd be snuggling up to the CJS.  I don't.  All I know how to do is point out the weaknesses in the areas I know:  space and naval.  The pentagon doesn't value the opinions of people that really know, though, so my phone isn't going to ring anytime soon.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:51 PM (x3YFz)

163

Good for your cousin! This is what every parent in England should be doing right now.

She's a good gal, but they are really terrified right now.  No way she is letting her kids out in that environment. 

 

 

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:52 PM (Z71Vg)

164

Oh, sure, they'll get their gun rights back.

*Paulie Walnuts nod*

Right after the shopkeepers are allowed to clean up the glass in their own establishments!

Posted by: RushBabe, Resisting Much at August 10, 2011 04:52 PM (Ew27I)

165 When I was growing up, there were comedy programs on TV about people on the "dole" in England.  It was like looking into future America except that it doesn't seem so funny now.  What is happening in England now is still looking into the future except that time is compressing now.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 10, 2011 04:53 PM (jx2j9)

166 They need RoboCop! RoboBobbie? RoboConstable? RoboChiefInspector? RoboMrBean? RoboWatson?

Posted by: mike at August 10, 2011 04:53 PM (Qg0Un)

167 155 Eh, mate, Barack Obama is a bloody bollocksed pillocky cock-up of a wretched bloody shagging, what? Click click click. Cluck click click click. Pop... Click click click.

Posted by: Zulu Nation SpokesTribesman. at August 10, 2011 04:54 PM (uZ84e)

168 and they're mirroring our SEAL training, and our ranger training, and our combat controller training, and our pararescue training, and our force recon training.  They're 5 years behind us.  The only thing they lack is true combat experience.  It is only there that still gives us the edge.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:55 PM (x3YFz)

169 If we calls these people thugs and gangsters, what do we call TEA partiers?!?!?!

Posted by: Froma Scallop at August 10, 2011 04:55 PM (BP6Z1)

170 Jane, I wish the KC mayor would have the balls to say what the Philly mayor said.  Bout damn time someone said it.  I feel uneasy even going to see my son and he always comes out to my car and makes sure I am okay and then walks me back when I leave.  But hells bells, no offense to my son, but he's not much of a fighter.  If a gang showed up wanting to give us shit, we would be helpless. 

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:55 PM (Z71Vg)

171 One of the things I remember from my 10 day trip to London and outskirts many years ago with an old boyfriend and another couple, was the complete lack of middle easterners on the streets.

A friend came back a couple of weeks ago and said, "Yeah, it's Londonistan now."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 04:56 PM (UOM48)

172

My lib in-laws don't live far from you (in a retirement village). They don't approve of guns.

 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 08:47 PM (UOM4

 

Isn't that cute? Here's to hoping that the don't have reality intrude upon their liberal delusions but that they might, by some miracle, have a revelation to the truth.

 

Regards

Posted by: Minuteman at August 10, 2011 04:56 PM (hbAPu)

173 177 and they're mirroring our SEAL training, and our ranger training, and our combat controller training, and our pararescue training, and our force recon training. They're 5 years behind us. The only thing they lack is true combat experience. It is only there that still gives us the edge. Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 08:55 PM (x3YFz) Oh come on, lots of countries do that. The French, the Brits, even the Czechs of all things have their special forces. The Chinese are not 10 feet tall, any more than the Soviets or Krauts were. At the end of the day, everyone knows if they actually sink an American aircraft carrier with 5,000 people aboard, it will be total thermonuclear war. THAT more than anything keeps the fleet safe.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 04:57 PM (kUaEF)

174 What tuning is that? Sounds like it would be flat.

Eb. Black Sabbath tuned Db. And they ruled, but you already knew that of course.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at August 10, 2011 04:58 PM (JEvSn)

175 IIRC, there are Russian copies of the Sunburn missile available that can also evade most aircraft-carrier-based defense systems. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 08:43 PM (c0A3e)

I don't see how anyone is going to be able to protect their ships if we ever get in a real war. The US is getting ready to test fire a mach 20 missile. Now how do you defend against that?

Posted by: robtr at August 10, 2011 04:59 PM (MtwBb)

176 182 177 and they're mirroring our SEAL training, and our ranger training, and our combat controller training, and our pararescue training, and our force recon training. They're 5 years behind us. The only thing they lack is true combat experience. It is only there that still gives us the edge.
Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 08:55 PM (x3YFz)


Oh come on, lots of countries do that. The French, the Brits, even the Czechs of all things have their special forces. The Chinese are not 10 feet tall, any more than the Soviets or Krauts were. At the end of the day, everyone knows if they actually sink an American aircraft carrier with 5,000 people aboard, it will be total thermonuclear war. THAT more than anything keeps the fleet safe.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 08:57 PM (kUaEF)

I think you missed my point.  They're not 10 feet tall, but there are 10 of them for every 1 of you, so they're 60 feet tall.  And our current administration would never use a nuke, Obama is too much of a pussy.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 04:59 PM (x3YFz)

177 heh

David Burge John Kerry proposes 2 part debt reduction plan: 1. Marry rich widow 2. Windsurf

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 04:59 PM (UOM48)

178 For every genius in the US there are 10 in China, you don't think they're farming the smartest?

I dunno about this. Their pop is only 4 times the US', and more than half of that are still peasants.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 10, 2011 05:00 PM (zz0ma)

179 But the fact a unique combination of circumstances including unprecedented terrorist acts, two wars, and a major financial disaster led to the election of an narcissistic, incompetent, utterly unqualified and untalented mulatto to the White House must be considered a double blow to black people everywhere. Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 08:42 PM (kUaEF) This. It won't be though because the attitudes are so deeply seated, the only thing that matters is that this all about 400 years of slavery and getting back at the white man or whatever. The continued racial enslavement of minorities by liberals is reprehensible and disgusting. Fuckers are evil.

Posted by: ErikW at August 10, 2011 05:00 PM (y/98P)

180 I must be a geezer but I remember there being riots through out the 60s, the 70s, the early 80s, the 90s. I don't remember off hand riots 2000-2009. Oh, Katrina. There are riots going on all the time. The UK was always having riots when they weren't having Irish terrorist attacks. Every G8 summit or whatever they call it there is a riot. A couple of months ago, there was a riot over cuts. This is really nothing new.

Posted by: mike at August 10, 2011 05:00 PM (Qg0Un)

181 182 177 and they're mirroring our SEAL training, and our ranger training, and our combat controller training, and our pararescue training, and our force recon training. They're 5 years behind us. The only thing they lack is true combat experience. It is only there that still gives us the edge.
Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 08:55 PM (x3YFz)


Oh come on, lots of countries do that. The French, the Brits, even the Czechs of all things have their special forces. The Chinese are not 10 feet tall, any more than the Soviets or Krauts were. At the end of the day, everyone knows if they actually sink an American aircraft carrier with 5,000 people aboard, it will be total thermonuclear war. THAT more than anything keeps the fleet safe.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 08:57 PM (kUaEF)

and the French and Britain aren't potential enemies.  Nor are the Russians or the Germans.  You have heard of Taiwan, yes?

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:01 PM (x3YFz)

182

And the format is fucked up. Whatever.

 

Posted by: ErikW at August 10, 2011 05:01 PM (y/98P)

183

@169: "I passed through Dearbornistan, Michigan today. That has to be one of the cities with the highest probability for riots in the U.S."

Pikers.

Posted by: Oakland and Cleveland at August 10, 2011 05:01 PM (xy9wk)

184

I think you missed my point.  They're not 10 feet tall, but there are 10 of them for every 1 of you, so they're 60 feet tall.  And our current administration would never use a nuke, Obama is too much of a pussy.

If it ever came to something like that, I would hope to hell someone would lock Zero up somewhere and take over.

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:02 PM (Z71Vg)

185 188 For every genius in the US there are 10 in China, you don't think they're farming the smartest?

I dunno about this. Their pop is only 4 times the US', and more than half of that are still peasants.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 10, 2011 09:00 PM (zz0ma)

we have a population of 310 million.  China has a population of 3.5 Billion.  Might want to brush up on your basic math.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:02 PM (x3YFz)

186 I dunno about this. Their pop is only 4 times the US', and more than half maybe 85 percent of that are still peasants. Posted by: Waterhouse at August 10, 2011 09:00 PM (zz0ma) FTFY China's population is NOT a source of strength: it's one of their greatest weaknesses. Moreover, their idiotic one child policy & cultural practice of invariably aborting females is creating a demographic DISASTER for them.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 05:03 PM (kUaEF)

187 Uh, China has a population of 1.3 billion.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 10, 2011 05:03 PM (zz0ma)

188

O/T

 

http://tinyurl.com/3q5ah2e
The families said NO PICS. The pentagon agreed. The white house photographer went, took at least one pic, and published it.

Asshole

Posted by: dagny at August 10, 2011 05:03 PM (E5UEE)

189 Not that my son wouldn't die trying to defend me.  He would.

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:03 PM (Z71Vg)

190 we have a population of 310 million. China has a population of 3.5 Billion. Might want to brush up on your basic math. Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:02 PM (x3YFz) You mean, 1.3 billion. Maybe - maybe - 200 million are "middle class," by standards most Americans would not consider middle class at all.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 05:04 PM (kUaEF)

191 Not that my son wouldn't die trying to defend me.  He would.

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:03 PM (Z71Vg)

I thought you were going to buy a shotgun?

Posted by: robtr at August 10, 2011 05:05 PM (MtwBb)

192 Dear God.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A White House photographer was allowed to take and widely distribute a photo from the ceremony Tuesday for the return of the remains of 30 American troops killed in a weekend helicopter crash in Afghanistan despite the Pentagon's claim that any public depiction of the scene would violate the wishes of bereaved families.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 05:05 PM (UOM48)

193

@186: "I think you missed my point.  They're not 10 feet tall, but there are 10 of them for every 1 of you, so they're 60 feet tall."

How badly did they outnumber us?  And how badly did we kick the absolute bejesus out of them?

Posted by: The Imperial Japanese Army at August 10, 2011 05:06 PM (xy9wk)

194

I thought you were going to buy a shotgun?

I'm thinking more of a handgun.  I have used one before so I am comfortable with them.  Then get a conceal and carry permit.  I know... I need to quit talking about it and just do it.

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:06 PM (Z71Vg)

195

I'm thinking more of a handgun.  I have used one before so I am comfortable with them.  Then get a conceal and carry permit.  I know... I need to quit talking about it and just do it.

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:06 PM (Z71Vg)

Yup, now would be the time.

Posted by: robtr at August 10, 2011 05:07 PM (MtwBb)

196

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 09:05 PM (UOM4

Unbelieveable. They are pure unadulterated evil.

Posted by: dagny at August 10, 2011 05:07 PM (E5UEE)

197 Also, let's remember that (well, until Obama came along, anyway) America is on track to have a population of something like 450 million by mid-century, about the time China will be DRASTIC population decline. In terms of demographics, America is - well, again, pre-Obama - sitting pretty compared to every other major nation in the world. One FUCKING PRAYS the blight called Obama will be discarded to the Trash bin of History next year.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 05:08 PM (kUaEF)

198 I stand corrected.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:09 PM (x3YFz)

199 Sean Hannity or Mitt Romney?

Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 10, 2011 05:09 PM (dWPyO)

200

If I knew how to defend against China...

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 08:51 PM (x3YFz)

I know crap but since I'm moving to South Korea, I've thought of the scenario.

1. As it looks like attack is going to happen, surprise attack first. Hundreds of rockets fired into China's existing 14 nuclear power plants with the goal of creating nuclear disasters. Make it a real crappy day one for the Chinese....

2. I'd like to see thousands of missiles fired at the Three Gorges Dam.

3. Thousands of missiles used to completely destroy the Great Wall of China

4. Thousands of missiles used to destroy the Terracotta Army

5. Obviously, target the government people first.

That would be day one.

If nuclear weapons are available and no country answers our calls for aid and everything looks lost.

1. Nuke both the North and South poles

2. Set off nukes in the oceans with the goals of creating tsunamis both around China and the rest of the world.

3. Nuke Mecca and blame it on the West.

And then go from there.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 10, 2011 05:10 PM (GKQDR)

201 208

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 09:05 PM (UOM4

Unbelieveable. They are pure unadulterated evil.

Posted by: dagny at August 10, 2011 09:07 PM (E5UEE)


I'm so angry I can't speak.  God bless the poor families.  He is the epitome of self-absorbed evil.  I hate him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 05:10 PM (UOM48)

202 143 our mistake is we built our defenses bases on our own capabilities.  M I S T A K E.  Fucking pentagon.  They don't know shit.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 08:38 PM (x3YFz)

What do you mean? We built our defenses based on our capabilities or do you mean something else?

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:10 PM (LD21B)

203

I'm thinking more of a handgun.  I have used one before so I am comfortable with them.  Then get a conceal and carry permit.  I know... I need to quit talking about it and just do it.

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:06 PM (Z71Vg)


Make sure that you go above and beyond mere concealed carry training.  I don't know where you live, but your local range should have access to an NRA-certified trainer to give you some tactical training.

You won't be wasting time or money.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 05:10 PM (qiOph)

204 "Al-lee-me-nee-um." It's on my shed yule.

Posted by: Al Yewminium, actually at August 10, 2011 05:10 PM (ZZrwB)

205 202 we have a population of 310 million. China has a population of 3.5 Billion. Might want to brush up on your basic math.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:02 PM (x3YFz)

You mean, 1.3 billion.

Maybe - maybe - 200 million are "middle class," by standards most Americans would not consider middle class at all.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 09:04 PM (kUaEF)

I was incorrect.  I blame it on lack of Mila Jovovich.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:10 PM (x3YFz)

206 how come you guys aren't talking about how excited you are about the dinner?

link

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 05:11 PM (k1rwm)

207 I was thinking of getting a couple of tactical 12 gauges for the house.

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 10, 2011 05:11 PM (KbEJl)

208

we have a population of 310 million.  China has a population of 3.5 Billion.  Might want to brush up on your basic math.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:02 PM (x3YFz)

Um, China has 1.5 billion, not 3.5.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:11 PM (LD21B)

209 They are actually arguing what constitutes coverage when the families said "no coverage".

Posted by: dagny at August 10, 2011 05:11 PM (E5UEE)

210

I was incorrect.  I blame it on lack of Mila Jovovich.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:10 PM (x3YFz)

Meh, she's nice, but needs bigger tits.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:12 PM (LD21B)

211 222

we have a population of 310 million.  China has a population of 3.5 Billion.  Might want to brush up on your basic math.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:02 PM (x3YFz)

Um, China has 1.5 billion, not 3.5.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 09:11 PM (LD21B)

yeah, for the third time.  Got it.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:12 PM (x3YFz)

212 205 @186: "I think you missed my point. They're not 10 feet tall, but there are 10 of them for every 1 of you, so they're 60 feet tall." How badly did they outnumber us? And how badly did we kick the absolute bejesus out of them? Posted by: The Imperial Japanese Army at August 10, 2011 09:06 PM (xy9wk) In Korea, the American 1/23 Infantry battalion took on several DIVISIONS of Chinese at Chipyongni, South Korea. The Chinese losses at the hands of a force they outnumbered by about as much as the Persians outnumbered the Spartans at Thermopylyae were so great that American machine gunners were going into shock... not because of injuries, but just the sheer psychological shock of killing so many people in so short a time. I'm proud to have served with the 1/23rd back in '85-'86. Tomahawk!

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 05:12 PM (kUaEF)

213 Heh:

jaketapper Jake Tapper
wow, look at all the ambassadors from democracy-free countries that abuse human rights at the WH tonight for the Iftar dinner. Good times!
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Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 10, 2011 05:12 PM (IoUF1)

214 We're depraved on accounta we're deprived!

Posted by: The Jets at August 10, 2011 05:13 PM (luUxa)

215 Eat your peas!

Posted by: Barry at August 10, 2011 09:10 PM (hXJOG)

I did already, you only gave me two peas and that's after you doubled my ration.

Posted by: robtr at August 10, 2011 05:13 PM (MtwBb)

216

yeah, for the third time.  Got it.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:12 PM (x3YFz)

lol, what about my question on your comment 143?

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:13 PM (LD21B)

217 yeah, for the third time. Got it. Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:12 PM (x3YFz) Did I mention that China only has about 1.3 billion people? I keed, I keed...

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 05:13 PM (kUaEF)

218 224

I was incorrect.  I blame it on lack of Mila Jovovich.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:10 PM (x3YFz)

Meh, she's nice, but needs bigger tits.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 09:12 PM (LD21B)

NONO!  I LOVE her because she's screaming hot, has great legs, gorgeous lips, stunning eyes, and PERFECT boobies.  I like 'em like that.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:13 PM (x3YFz)

219

yeah, for the third time.  Got it.

Yeahhhh I'll make sure you get a copy of the memo about the Chinese population reports.

Posted by: Bill Lumberg at August 10, 2011 05:14 PM (KbEJl)

220 223 They are actually arguing what constitutes coverage when the families said "no coverage".

Posted by: dagny at August 10, 2011 09:11 PM (E5UEE)

My heart is broken for the families.  It really is All About Him, isn't it?

I hate him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 05:14 PM (UOM48)

221 I was thinking of getting a couple of tactical 12 gauges for the house.

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 10, 2011 09:11 PM (KbEJl)


Just wondering ... what is a "tactical" 12 gauge?

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 05:15 PM (qiOph)

222

Hypothetically, if one were to get a firearm to protect one's self and property, what would be the way to go?  I'm thinking of a pump shotgun and semi automatic hand gun combo. But what do I know.  I have shot several types of guns but only minimally just to try it out with friends that owned them.  Of course the right gun/combo would have to include the right training.  Not to mention sifting through local laws.

Knives I've got covered.  If it's sharp I can put it where it needs to go.  I once put a 4 inch nail in a guys face under the eye from 20 feet away.  Of course that skill is better suited for the movies and not the reality we are seeing over the pond.

Regarding the cricket paddle, if you swing it with the thin side at someone it could be effective.

BTW I was in line at Walmart earlier and the guy ahead of me turned to his buddy and said "Did you know that Obama is a studdering clusterfuck of a miserable failure?"

Posted by: PugBoo Tea Party Canine Sleeper Cell #4 at August 10, 2011 05:16 PM (5nHLW)

223

Make sure that you go above and beyond mere concealed carry training.  I don't know where you live, but your local range should have access to an NRA-certified trainer to give you some tactical training.

I have a good friend who carries a gun in her purse, has the permit etc... she took the training and all.. she will be the one I go to.  Plus my daughters friend is a cop, so he can help me out too.

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:16 PM (Z71Vg)

224

Just wondering ... what is a "tactical" 12 gauge?

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 09:15 PM (qiOph)

A gun that you use for tactical purposes, rather than strategic....

Yeah, I dunno what I'm talking about.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:16 PM (LD21B)

225 NONO! I LOVE her because she's screaming hot, has great legs, gorgeous lips, stunning eyes, and PERFECT boobies. I like 'em like that. Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:13 PM (x3YFz) I knew we'd see eye to tit eventually!

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 05:17 PM (kUaEF)

226

Just wondering ... what is a "tactical" 12 gauge?

I had it described to me as shorter tactical guns vs. hunting shotguns which have longer barrels.

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 10, 2011 05:18 PM (KbEJl)

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 10, 2011 05:18 PM (jx2j9)

228

I'm so angry I can't speak.  God bless the poor families.  He is the epitome of self-absorbed evil.  I hate him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 09:10 PM (UOM4

Liberals truly have no honor or character.  If they can get away with it, they will.

If there were no laws against murder, they would murder.  There is a lot more than the law that holds society together (as we see in England).  There are social constraints that are placed on people.  If those constraints are ignored, Katy bar the door.

Unless a crying mother makes a youtube video decrying this event, they will get away with this one.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 10, 2011 05:18 PM (73tyQ)

229

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 10, 2011 09:13 PM (G/MYk)

No, the Great Wall of China is destroyed completely. Even in the event of complete surrender by China. Whenever anyone in the world remembers the Great Wall of China, I'd want them to remember that it was destroyed because China attacked South Korea.

Oh, and my plans would also have satellite technology in place to destroy every Chinese satellite in orbit - first off. Then the government. Nuclear plants. The dam. Other dams and power plants. Then we wipe out their history. And then day two.

 

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 10, 2011 05:19 PM (GKQDR)

230

Yeah, I dunno what I'm talking about.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 09:16 PM (LD21B)


Dude, no sweat.  Most of us start out there.

Do you have specific questions?  I'm sure that there are folks right here at AoSHQ that could help you help yourself.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 05:19 PM (qiOph)

231 231

yeah, for the third time.  Got it.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:12 PM (x3YFz)

lol, what about my question on your comment 143?

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 09:13 PM (LD21B)

I meant we built our defenses based on the idea that our enemy would employ the same high-tech ninja stuff we deploy (blame this on grumman, lockheed, and all those other fuckers... alongside with the whores in the Pentagon that hand out contracts).

We don't have the doctrine or the means to deal with the naval equivalent of the IED.  Hundreds of low-tech missiles that only need a 2% hit rate to cripple a fleet.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:19 PM (x3YFz)

232

Take the class and determine whether or not you would shot to kill if you felt your life was threatened.
Only carry it if your prepared to use it.

I have no problem defending myself even if it means killing someone.  Believe me.


Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:19 PM (Z71Vg)

233 NONO!  I LOVE her because she's screaming hot, has great legs, gorgeous lips, stunning eyes, and PERFECT boobies.  I like 'em like that.

Too bad her acting sucks, *shrugs*.  And I'm still mad at her for ruining the Resident Evil franchise with her crappy live-action RE movies, but her and her hubby Paul WS Anderson share the blame for that affront. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 05:19 PM (z5ByW)

234 #197 China's population is NOT a source of strength: it's one of their greatest weaknesses. Moreover, their idiotic one child policy & cultural practice of invariably aborting females is creating a demographic DISASTER for them.

If you consider what societies do historically with millions of unmarried males, it might be that China's 30 million male surplus could be a disaster for a whole lot of neighboring countries.

Posted by: Jack at August 10, 2011 05:20 PM (8IAHO)

235 Now they have a knife ban too, after this they be banning bricks.

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 05:20 PM (duqON)

236

I had it described to me as shorter tactical guns vs. hunting shotguns which have longer barrels.

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 10, 2011 09:18 PM (KbEJl)

that and they hold more rounds, some of them have a pistol grip and a rail where you can mount a light or lazer sight.

Posted by: robtr at August 10, 2011 05:20 PM (MtwBb)

237 Oh, and my plans would also have satellite technology in place to destroy every Chinese satellite in orbit - first off. Then the government. Nuclear plants. The dam. Other dams and power plants. Then we wipe out their history. And then day two. Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 10, 2011 09:19 PM (GKQDR) Oh, and ravish all their hot women! Don't forget Ravish all Their Hawt Women!!!

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 05:20 PM (kUaEF)

238 Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at August 10, 2011 09:18 PM (hXJOG)

Ahh yes, now we get to yell at each other over the age-old question:

Mossy vs Remi

Discuss.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 05:21 PM (qiOph)

239 243

Just wondering ... what is a "tactical" 12 gauge?

I had it described to me as shorter tactical guns vs. hunting shotguns which have longer barrels.

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 10, 2011 09:18 PM (KbEJl)

it's a 12-gauge wielded by someone who thinks they know what they're doing.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:21 PM (x3YFz)

240

jaketapper Jake Tapper
wow, look at all the ambassadors from democracy-free countries that abuse human rights at the WH tonight for the Iftar dinner. Good times!
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Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 10, 2011 09:12 PM (IoUF1)

Jake's always been a snarky guy, but it's almost as if he doesn't respect the WH very much.

Interesting, BTW, that Michelle is out in Oregon "visiting her brother" while Islamapalooza is going on.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 10, 2011 05:21 PM (73tyQ)

241 Change in travel plans. London sucks. Haiti seems like they might want a few  bucks. Whatever...

Posted by: Zelda Starr at August 10, 2011 05:21 PM (4vsjd)

242 Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:19 PM (x3YFz)

Got it, I see what you mean. Those phalanx guns would run out of ammo right quick against such a salvo, but what would be the solution to that threat otherwise?

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:21 PM (LD21B)

243 My heart breaks for the families who actually believed their son's/husband's/father's Commander in Chief would respect their broken hearts with the simple request....NO PHOTOGRAPHS.

But Barry the Boy King must have his photo op.

I hate him.  I weep for our military serving under him, my boy included.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 05:22 PM (UOM48)

244 254

I had it described to me as shorter tactical guns vs. hunting shotguns which have longer barrels.

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 10, 2011 09:18 PM (KbEJl)

that and they hold more rounds, some of them have a pistol grip and a rail where you can mount a light or lazer sight.

Posted by: robtr at August 10, 2011 09:20 PM (MtwBb)

When you're on the business end of a shotgun, none of that really matters.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:22 PM (x3YFz)

245 That Rem Model 870 looks pretty badass. 4-5 hundred?

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 10, 2011 05:22 PM (KbEJl)

246

Dude, no sweat.  Most of us start out there.

Do you have specific questions?  I'm sure that there are folks right here at AoSHQ that could help you help yourself.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 09:19 PM (qiOph)

I was joking.

Though I will be needing to get myself some guns whenever it is I can find a damn job.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:23 PM (LD21B)

247 To think only last week local NYC radio was advertising a Getaway Weekend to London as a great vacation idea! Heh.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 05:23 PM (kUaEF)

248 Tangonine, the problem isnt technology - the navy has been trying to avoid a brown water fight since Vietnam. The LCS is a disaster because the requirements and missions are a mess.

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 05:23 PM (duqON)

249 I have a 9-iron that will defend my home just fine. I hate guns.

Posted by: Stupid Lib Squish at August 10, 2011 05:24 PM (KbEJl)

250 Too bad her acting sucks, *shrugs*.  And I'm still mad at her for ruining the Resident Evil franchise with her crappy live-action RE movies, but her and her hubby Paul WS Anderson share the blame for that affront. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 09:19 PM (z5ByW)

I didn't think her acting is that bad, she just needs bigger tits!

Oh, sorry, decadence and all that.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:24 PM (LD21B)

251 261 Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:19 PM (x3YFz)

Got it, I see what you mean. Those phalanx guns would run out of ammo right quick against such a salvo, but what would be the solution to that threat otherwise?

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 09:21 PM (LD21B)

As I said earlier, if I knew the answer to that question, I'd be earning $2M a year advising the pentagon.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:24 PM (x3YFz)

252 @236

Here are some tactical shotguns by Benelli.  Yes, I've been looking mighty closely at firearm procurement since Friday evening.  The prices will only rise so I may as well do some shopping while the e-Money in my bank account will purchase me more than bread and toilet paper (if I'm lucky).

Posted by: Herr Blücher at August 10, 2011 05:24 PM (2HyAo)

253 268 I have a 9-iron that will defend my home just fine. I hate guns.

Posted by: Stupid Lib Squish at August 10, 2011 09:24 PM (KbEJl)

the bad guys won't be bringing golf clubs.  Your choice, though.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:25 PM (x3YFz)

254 262 My heart breaks for the families who actually believed their son's/husband's/father's Commander in Chief would respect their broken hearts with the simple request....NO PHOTOGRAPHS.

But Barry the Boy King must have his photo op.

I hate him.  I weep for our military serving under him, my boy included.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 09:22 PM (UOM4

I'd like to see the Today Show interview that father of the SEAL they interviewed the other day.  I'd love to hear what he has to say now.

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 05:26 PM (GULKT)

255

As I said earlier, if I knew the answer to that question, I'd be earning $2M a year advising the pentagon.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:24 PM (x3YFz)

Well, at least the Chinese are as vulnerable to such an assault as we are. More so, probably.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:26 PM (LD21B)

256 I've been watching the lefty pundits over the past few days as they've been diving off of Barry's mortally wounded ship of state.  They are really, and I mean really, really, pissed.  Their deity turned out to be only human and worse, a lying, insubstantial con man. 

It's almost as if they want sympathy - that they want us to understand how they could be so taken in - so utterly stupid.

I'll think I'll think about it.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 10, 2011 05:27 PM (jx2j9)

257 272 268 I have a 9-iron that will defend my home just fine. I hate guns.

Posted by: Stupid Lib Squish at August 10, 2011 09:24 PM (KbEJl)

the bad guys won't be bringing golf clubs.  Your choice, though.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:25 PM (x3YFz)

My nightstand contains a Glock 30, a Sig P229 (those are for the wife), and next to that I have my Mossberg 590.  Wife knows that if the dogs bark and the glass breaks, she gets the Glock and she doesn't shoot (she can't shoot for shit, and I don't need her puttin 2 in my spine) unless I go down.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:27 PM (x3YFz)

258

I'd like to see the Today Show interview that father of the SEAL they interviewed the other day.  I'd love to hear what he has to say now.

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 09:26 PM (GULKT)

Yes.  Please.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 05:28 PM (UOM48)

259 its funny - we here see rioters rioting for no reason other than to destroy and it pisses us off b/c we want law and order,of course these shit stains they get a pass from the MFM. (except when the conservative hooligans decided to take to the street last night-notice c*o*n*s*e*r*v*a*t*i*v* hooligans). when we hold a peaceful demonstration in DC with 1 million people we catch more shit and name calling from the MFM than these fucksticks rioting in England. I think one day I will turn on the t.v. a get to watch a 3-D version of a reporter getting her head caved in by a liberal "rioter" while screaming out the word teabaggers are responsible for this.

Posted by: x11b1p at August 10, 2011 05:28 PM (nVLlM)

260 Oh, sorry, decadence and all that.

lol.  'tis alright, I've reformed, rather, returned to form.  No need to castigate anybody for enjoying what I never will. 

Besides, since I'm genetic dead-end, y'all must do a bit extra decadence to fill in the gap that I've left,

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 10, 2011 05:28 PM (z5ByW)

261 It really is All About Him, isn't it?


Yes. He does not care at all about the soldiers who were killed. He cares about Obama and Obama only. It is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen.

Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 05:28 PM (Ws7wI)

262 KG, the solution isnt CIWS its killing their launch platform before they can find you and get a solution. The tech and training to find us is the real gap - we will own the blue water for a generation. Once you get into the littoral, restricted brown water - then, hmmmm

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 05:28 PM (duqON)

263 Well, at least the Chinese are as vulnerable to such an assault as we are. More so, probably. Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 09:26 PM (LD21B) Much more than that, the comparatively prosperous city dwellers live in perpetual fear of a massive uprising in the primitive, impoverished countryside. China must maintain at least something like a 10 percent annual economic growth rate just to keep from exploding... and most observers believe that the Commies are lying through their teeth about their economy in fact growing anywhere near that rate.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 05:28 PM (kUaEF)

264 Here's dumb question..does Bass Pro carry stuff like those tacticals or are they strictly huntin?

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 10, 2011 05:30 PM (KbEJl)

265 Posted by: Herr Blücher at August 10, 2011 09:24 PM (2HyAo)

Benellis are nice as shit, though they're expensive as shit too.

If you're cost-sensitive, stick with Remington and Mossberg.  You can pick up a Mossy 500 A for around 300 -350, cheaper used.  Just buy plain Jane, then make it as "tacti-cool" as you want with pistol grips or magazine extensions or white lights or recoil reducing stocks or whatever.

The point is, your initial outlay for the firearm - plus some defensive ammo for it - will immediately provide you with a tool that will do the job.

Make it reflective of your individual defense profile as you go.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 05:31 PM (qiOph)

266 I didn't think her acting is that bad, she just needs bigger tits! Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 09:24 PM (LD21B) Don't those come with controls for Small & Perky, Massively Impressive, and "Christina Hendricks Class" settings these days?

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 05:31 PM (kUaEF)

267 240

Just wondering ... what is a "tactical" 12 gauge?

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 09:15 PM (qiOph)

A gun that you use for tactical purposes, rather than strategic....

Yeah, I dunno what I'm talking about.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 09:16 PM (LD21B)

Generally a 12 Ga.pump-action shotgun, nearly always a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870, with a bunch of black plastic "tacticool" shit attached to it.  These accessories can be, but are not limited to: lights, lasers, shell carriers, pistol grips, extended magazine tubes, reflex or red-dot sights, and so on.  Some of these accessories can improve the ability to shoot well under stress, if proper training has been conducted.  Most of the time, they're there for the "cool" appearance.  That's not to say that the "Tommy Tactical" guys can't shoot, but most that I've met like buying toys more than practice.  A stock 12 ga. pump SG, in the hands of a shooter who practices their "Oh Shit" shooting is more than enough in 99% of those bad situations.  00 buck is persuasive at any volume; delivery is the issue, not appearances.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is a suspected TEAhadist at August 10, 2011 05:31 PM (D+phB)

268 Once you get into the littoral, restricted brown water - then, hmmmm

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 09:28 PM (duqON)

Under what ciscumstances would we need to? Taiwan?

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:32 PM (LD21B)

269 Oh, and ravish all their hot women! Don't forget Ravish all Their Hawt Women!!!

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 09:20 PM (kUaEF)

That goes without saying.

 

Well, at least the Chinese are as vulnerable to such an assault as we are. More so, probably.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 09:26 PM (LD21B)

Of course they are. The mistake would be to fight them as they expect to be fought - you don't fight them man to man where their numbers are an advantage they plan to use. Strike first and push them a great step backward.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 10, 2011 05:32 PM (GKQDR)

270 277 I've been watching the lefty pundits over the past few days as they've been diving off of Barry's mortally wounded ship of state.  They are really, and I mean really, really, pissed.  Their deity turned out to be only human and worse, a lying, insubstantial con man.

I could snark that we knew this well before the election.

But liberals know that their programs don't work if ordinary schlubs are in charge.  That's why they need ubermensches to rule over them.

And they never find him.  Never.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 10, 2011 05:33 PM (73tyQ)

271 I wish one of the "photo op" parents or wives of the SEALs and troops would get in the faces of the MFM and let Barky have it.

I just cannot imagine how they must feel by his betrayal. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 05:33 PM (UOM48)

272 284 KG, the solution isnt CIWS its killing their launch platform before they can find you and get a solution. The tech and training to find us is the real gap - we will own the blue water for a generation.

Once you get into the littoral, restricted brown water - then, hmmmm

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 09:28 PM (duqON)

Yes, but since our space budget is virtually zero (there is no gapfiller, for example, for the loss of TSAT... Global Hawk was supposed to fill that but it's shit) and you're not going to get the real-time NRO data. 

I'm bumping up against shit that I can't say.  None of that is calssified.  I haven't had to turn on the filter in a while, but you guys have me having to parse what I say.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:33 PM (x3YFz)

273 THIS is injustice: http://tinyurl.com/44w3qw8

Posted by: Ginger Sunnybrook at August 10, 2011 05:33 PM (Hic+o)

274 osted by: StPatrick_TN is a suspected TEAhadist at August 10, 2011 09:31 PM (D+phB)

Yup.  What he said.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 05:33 PM (qiOph)

275 Don't those come with controls for Small & Perky, Massively Impressive, and "Christina Hendricks Class" settings these days?

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 09:31 PM (kUaEF)

Damnit, the dial doesn't go far enough!

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:34 PM (LD21B)

276

  delivery is the issue, not appearances.

Well when I pose for the Christmas card in front of the Gadsden Flag it will.

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 10, 2011 05:34 PM (KbEJl)

277 AND .. (should have driven this home in my last)

Practice, practice, and practice some more.  Then go practice.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 05:35 PM (qiOph)

278 Who knew that the rioting terrorist teabaggers in Britain are such fans of hoodies?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 10, 2011 05:35 PM (s3Qvq)

279 Here's dumb question..does Bass Pro carry stuff like those tacticals or are they strictly huntin?

They carry 3 18" 12 gauges in their catalog.  2 of which carry 6+1.

Express is their economy line.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 10, 2011 05:35 PM (GTbGH)

280 Ginger Sunnybrook at August 10, 2011 09:33 PM (Hic+o)


That makes my blood boil.

Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 05:36 PM (Ws7wI)

281 FWIW I just got back from my hairdresser who is somewhat liberal, her girlfriend ( yes she is) told me she is voting Republican no matter who the candidate is come 2012.  There is a wave beginning out here in peasantville and those who ignore it do so at their own peril.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 10, 2011 05:37 PM (3TjSM)

282

Under what ciscumstances would we need to? Taiwan?

This bunch is probably thinking Louisiana.

Thanks for the shotgun info..

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 10, 2011 05:39 PM (KbEJl)

283 Almost as dreadful as the rioting masses is the almost total loss of Britain's fashion sense! If they don't get their S#!* together UK's Olympic costume will be a track suit with a hoodie. Save us all the trouble of having to see that.

I wonder what the opening ceremonies will be like...

Posted by: Alex at August 10, 2011 05:39 PM (YS0ko)

284 There is a wave beginning out here in peasantville and those who ignore it do so at their own peril. Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 10, 2011 09:37 PM (3TjSM) My quite liberal Jewish friend at work tells me there is no way Obama gets his vote this year. That doesn't mean he'll come out and vote Republican, necessarily... but it's a start. Something wicked is this way coming, for the Democrats.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 10, 2011 05:39 PM (kUaEF)

285 @307
You're braver than I am, mpfs.  I avoid political discussions with people who are holding sharp implements and hot irons near my face. 

I accidentally unearthed that my current hairdresser's new husband is a Truther and Paulbot.  Fortunately, my hairdresser herself is apolitical.

Posted by: Y-not at August 10, 2011 05:40 PM (5H6zj)

286 Those tactical guns are great but IF LEGAL I would cut the stock off to a pistol grip shortening the entire length.
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit! at August 10, 2011 09:35 PM (tHnoW)

Maintain minimum barrel length of 16" (I think, but won't swear to), and overall length of 24" (same disclaimer applies), and you've got a plain old "cruiser" shotgun.  Mossberg sells one in this config, and you don't have to do any sawing.  Anything shorter than these length specs (check them, don't trust me) requires an ATF stamp and ~6 month wait to own, as it qualifies as an AOW (any other weapon, e.g. not a short-barreled rifle, suppressor, destructive device).

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is a suspected TEAhadist at August 10, 2011 05:40 PM (D+phB)

287 307 FWIW I just got back from my hairdresser who is somewhat liberal, her girlfriend ( yes she is) told me she is voting Republican no matter who the candidate is come 2012.  There is a wave beginning out here in peasantville and those who ignore it do so at their own peril.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 10, 2011 09:37 PM (3TjSM)


Read my post at #204 and send it to her.  As reinforcement.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 05:40 PM (UOM48)

288 289 240

Just wondering ... what is a "tactical" 12 gauge?

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 09:15 PM (qiOph)

A gun that you use for tactical purposes, rather than strategic....

Yeah, I dunno what I'm talking about.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 09:16 PM (LD21B)

Generally a 12 Ga.pump-action shotgun, nearly always a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870, with a bunch of black plastic "tacticool" shit attached to it.  These accessories can be, but are not limited to: lights, lasers, shell carriers, pistol grips, extended magazine tubes, reflex or red-dot sights, and so on.  Some of these accessories can improve the ability to shoot well under stress, if proper training has been conducted.  Most of the time, they're there for the "cool" appearance.  That's not to say that the "Tommy Tactical" guys can't shoot, but most that I've met like buying toys more than practice.  A stock 12 ga. pump SG, in the hands of a shooter who practices their "Oh Shit" shooting is more than enough in 99% of those bad situations.  00 buck is persuasive at any volume; delivery is the issue, not appearances.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is a suspected TEAhadist at August 10, 2011 09:31 PM (D+phB)

the "tacticool" reference is funny, and given that 99% of the people that buy one aren'd door kickers... yeah.  My mossberg holds 9+1, got a pistol grip and that's it.  Who needs a laser sight for a fking shotgun?  srsly?

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:41 PM (x3YFz)

289 274 absolutely

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 05:42 PM (JjNG+)

290 My stylist is gay, and former Navy (heh) and he and his partner are as conservative/Republican as you can get.  He worships Glenn Beck and wants to be involved in the Tea Party, but he's always working when we have rallies.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 05:42 PM (UOM48)

291 I see that Bass Pro also has the Mossberg 500 with a 20" barrel.  Nice capacity of 8+1 in regular and 7+1 in magnum shells.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 10, 2011 05:42 PM (GTbGH)

292 Tango, I love my 229.  Probably too much, but you only live once.  If you haven't yet, consider the SRT upgrade.  It's real nice.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is a suspected TEAhadist at August 10, 2011 05:44 PM (D+phB)

293 I'm a huge mossberg fan.  Of course I also like wet boobs, so kinda take that as you will.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:44 PM (x3YFz)

294 This is what I love about this place.  Starts with Iowahawk and ends with guns and gay hairdressers.

Posted by: mpfs, TPT at August 10, 2011 05:45 PM (3TjSM)

295 Another thing guys--Remora holsters. They're like sharkskin or something. they don't shift.

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 10, 2011 05:45 PM (KbEJl)

296 Who needs a laser sight for a fking shotgun?  srsly?

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:41 PM (x3YFz)

Sometimes you wanna blind them before you shoot 'em.

Posted by: KG at August 10, 2011 05:45 PM (LD21B)

297 So what would you guys recommend for someone who has literally never held a gun before?

Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 05:46 PM (Ws7wI)

298 I thought they badgered him into making one for their weasel

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 05:46 PM (JjNG+)

299 Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at August 10, 2011 09:12 PM (IoUF1)

Tapper is a closet conservative or at least a libertarian. C'mon out Tappy, the water's warm and pragmatic.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 10, 2011 05:47 PM (DEcmU)

300 321 Tango, I love my 229.  Probably too much, but you only live once.  If you haven't yet, consider the SRT upgrade.  It's real nice.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is a suspected TEAhadist at August 10, 2011 09:44 PM (D+phB)

It's my carry.  I have a shitload of handguns, few glocks (and they're close seconds) AND a very very sexy Beretta 92E, but that p229 is what I carry because it's the one pistol I would want in my hand when I'm scared shitless in the local Stop-n-Rob when some punk decides to rob it.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:47 PM (x3YFz)

301 This is clearly the fault of those terrorist Tea Partiers holding the world hostage.

Posted by: cherry π at August 10, 2011 05:47 PM (OhYCU)

302 So what would you guys recommend for someone who has literally never held a gun before?

What's your purpose?  Home defense, carry, hunting?

Posted by: toby928™ at August 10, 2011 05:47 PM (GTbGH)

303 The next question, now that you have your shotgun, what shell to load it with?

Discuss among yourselves.


Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at August 10, 2011 09:45 PM (hXJOG)


New ONT up, but Federal Reduced Recoil 00 Buck.  For home defense, anyway.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 05:48 PM (qiOph)

304 Lauren, an instructor

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 05:48 PM (JjNG+)

305 Home defense.

Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 05:49 PM (Ws7wI)

306 an instructor

Ha.  Literally the best answer.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 10, 2011 05:49 PM (GTbGH)

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 05:49 PM (k1rwm)

308 328 So what would you guys recommend for someone who has literally never held a gun before?

Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 09:46 PM (Ws7wI)

A lot of research and a place where you can try out several handguns to find out what's comfortable for you.  If you ever have you use it, you're not going to be aligning a sight picture or worry about your proper stance:  you want something that is a natural extension of your arm/hands and is comfortable.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:50 PM (x3YFz)

309 Can you just go to a shooting range and ask for lessons?


Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 05:51 PM (Ws7wI)

310 287
Benellis are nice as shit, though they're expensive as shit too.

[...]

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 09:31 PM (qiOph)

Thanks for the advice. I'm just window shopping right now and that one caught my eye--though I'm sure as shit not spending $100 for a "desert camo" option and its 4+1 capacity is bothersome as well.

Posted by: Herr Blücher at August 10, 2011 05:51 PM (2HyAo)

311 I just watched a show on the teevee that I had never seen before -Modern Family - and I discovered something wonderful.

Two words..Sofia Vergara.

mrs. beedubya had better be ready for tonight

Posted by: beedubya at August 10, 2011 05:52 PM (AnTyA)

312 316 Here is another sweet little gun that shoots a 410 shotgun shell, which close in will kill anything you hit.

Here comes "The Judge"!

http://tinyurl.com/2junjs

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at August 10, 2011 09:40 PM (hXJOG)

The ballistics are poor for .410 - they'll ruin somebody's day, but aren't incident-enders against a determined assailant.  The Judge is most effective using .45LC, but you can get the same or better terminal ballistics from any revolver chambered in .357 or larger (or even .38spl+P).  Also, it should be noted that NO handgun round is a one-shot fight-stopper, period.  Pick one you like, and learn to put holes where holes need to be.  Even .45acp, 10mm, and the massive .44mag are not instantaneous deathrays.  Pistols aren't magic.

/I'm just trying to share some knowledge, Billy Bob - shoot whatever you like as often as you like - I just wanted to throw that out there for some of the commenters who are thinking of getting a weapon for defense.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is a suspected TEAhadist at August 10, 2011 05:52 PM (D+phB)

313 342 328 So what would you guys recommend for someone who has literally never held a gun before?

Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 09:46 PM (Ws7wI)

A lot of research and a place where you can try out several handguns to find out what's comfortable for you.  If you ever have you use it, you're not going to be aligning a sight picture or worry about your proper stance:  you want something that is a natural extension of your arm/hands and is comfortable.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 09:50 PM (x3YFz)

If you carry, you need to understand that the first time you pull, and probably, statistically, the ONLY time you'll pull, is from behind a rack of Cheetos with some madman emptying his clip in your general direction.  You'll be shaking, scared, and the gun is secondary to the amount of training you've had. 

Buy something comfortable, then train, train, train, then go train and train some more.  Training will keep you alive, not the pistol.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:54 PM (x3YFz)

314 So what would you guys recommend for someone who has literally never held a gun before?

Mitt, just stick with you varmint gun

Posted by: cherry π at August 10, 2011 05:56 PM (OhYCU)

315 335 The next question, now that you have your shotgun, what shell to load it with?

Discuss among yourselves.


Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at August 10, 2011 09:45 PM (hXJOG)


New ONT up, but Federal Reduced Recoil 00 Buck.  For home defense, anyway.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 09:48 PM (qiOph)

yup.  00 buck.  9 balls of hate.

Posted by: tangonine, Tea Party Terrorist at August 10, 2011 05:57 PM (x3YFz)

316 I remember those armed Korean shop owners from back in '92. I had one of those giant C-band satellite dishes on my roof and I was able to watch the local LA news coverage of the riots in real time. One of the local stations was showing those men on the roof brandishing the rifles, and the news anchor was crapping himself on the air, almost screaming for them to "put the guns away before somebody gets hurt!!!"...ignoring the basic fact that those buildings were not touched, while city blocks were burning nearby.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at August 10, 2011 05:57 PM (jn3w5)

317 Re: Barky and the transfer of the heroes. Could that SOB learn how to salute? He looks like he is trying to karate chop a peeled bananna. Dumb ass.

Posted by: Ronster at August 10, 2011 05:58 PM (Oz+gx)

318 220

Oh please!  Quit your fucking whining and carrying on.  Get your scrawny ass upstairs and whine to your dear precious momma.  Most here don't give a flying fuck what you think or 'feel'.  DO YOU NOT FUCKING GET THAT??

The people that give a half a damn about what you have to say, just don't know you yet, they will in time.  The majority of us know. 

You have shown your true colors around here, and even those who tried to give you support and knowledge now know what a pusillanimous twat of a bitch you are.

I've always wondered how someone like you could hang around knowing that everybody despises you.  But yeah...I've decided your just like obama...a zero..a nothing...very narcissistic and so full of yourself that you just couldn't imagine anyone not falling at your feet, kissing your ass, and hanging on every word you utter and every breath you breath.  But, yeah, you are exactly like him.

You know what...there are somethings I disagree with  my "Independent"  friends about, but I tell you what...YOU sure put them all in a bad light.

You are nothing but a sack of sniveling snot that is not fit to tend to the lowest live form on this planet.

Now go read this to your mommy, so she can once again soothe your evil soul, and tell you how everyone is soooooo mean.

Then ask her, how can she not be so fucking ashamed to have raise a child like you.


Posted by: jwm at August 10, 2011 05:59 PM (spEu4)

319 343 Can you just go to a shooting range and ask for lessons?


Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 09:51 PM (Ws7wI)

You can, but guns, much like cars, computers, guitars, appliances, and pretty much everything else with a devoted following attract fans who want to sell them, but don't know them.  Call it the "Bubba Factor".  If you're looking for good instruction, start here.  They're very credible, and often have courses tailored to women, new shooters, or often both, if there's enough interest in the area.  I cannot emphasize enough that if you learn good technique and habits from the outset, you'll be outshooting the bubbas in a matter of weeks, and will progress far beyond their abilities in the future.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is a suspected TEAhadist at August 10, 2011 06:00 PM (D+phB)

320 Posted by: StPatrick_TN is a suspected TEAhadist at August 10, 2011 10:00 PM (D+phB)

Agreed.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 06:01 PM (qiOph)

321 Thanks everyone!

Posted by: Lauren at August 10, 2011 06:02 PM (Ws7wI)

322 Herr Blucher: the advantage of the benelli is your 14yo daughter could send all 5 of those rounds accurately downrange before the first shell case hits the ground. The real concern with a pump is short stroking it due to lack of upper body strength, space, or stress. That benelli is a legal smg.

Posted by: Jean at August 10, 2011 06:12 PM (v9wwx)

323 hahhahahhahahah

353 220

Prosím vás! Přestaň kurva kňučení a výkonu. Získejte vychrtlý zadek nahoru a kňučet do Vážení drahých máma. Většina zde nedávají létání kurva, co si myslíte nebo "cítit". Copak FUCKING dostat, že?

Lidí, kteří dávají půl zatraceně o tom, co chcete říct, prostě vím, že přesto, že se v čase. Většina z nás ví.

Ty ukázaly své skutečné barvy tady, a dokonce i ti, kteří se snažili, aby vám podporu a znalosti nyní vědí, co bojácný píčo zkurvysyn jste.

Vždycky jsem přemýšlel, jak někdo jako byste mohli postávat s vědomím, že každý pohrdá vámi. Ale jo ... já jsem se rozhodl si stejně jako Obama ... .. nula nic ... velmi narcisistní a tak plný sám sebe, že jste prostě nemohl představit, že někdo nepatří k nohám, políbil prdel, a visí na každé slovo, které vyslovit, a každý nádech vám dech. Ale jo, ty jsi přesně jako on.

Víš, co ... je něco přes nesouhlasím s mým "nezávislý" přátelům, ale ti, co ... Jsi si jistý, dát je všechny ve špatném světle.

Ty nejsou nic jiného než pytel kňourání hlen, který se nehodí inklinovat k nejnižší žít formuláře na této planetě.

Nyní jděte si to vaše maminka, a tak se může opět uklidnit vaše zlé duše, a řeknu vám, jak se všichni soooooo znamenají.

Pak se jí zeptat, jak je možné, že není tak sakra stydět, že vychovávat dítě, jako jsi ty.


Přidal: JWM na 10.08.2011 21:59 (spEu4)

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 06:15 PM (k1rwm)

324 West is a stud.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at August 10, 2011 06:15 PM (qiOph)

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 06:20 PM (k1rwm)

327 Jane D'oh at 262, this was my exact sentiment upon seeinng the picture of the president at Dover today. Is there no depth too deep for him to sink to?

Posted by: Ellen at August 10, 2011 06:28 PM (B1FXc)

328 Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at August 10, 2011 09:40 PM (hXJOG) I carry this on days I can use a shoulder holster. Personal defense ammo that consists of 3 nine millimeter slugs plus 12 steel BB's in one shotshell, with a few .45 long colt mixed in for fun. Expensive to shoot for fun but the peace of mind from the stopping power is worth it. Heavy but nicely balanced piece. Taurus makes solid weapons.

Posted by: Zulu Nation SpokesTribesman. at August 10, 2011 06:32 PM (uZ84e)

329 Stupid Zulu sock from hours ago. Shoo!

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 10, 2011 06:35 PM (uZ84e)

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 06:42 PM (k1rwm)

331 *361*

So...that's it?  Well aren't  you just the clever one?  Now go upstairs and tell mommy just how clever her little precious is.  To be able to bable my comment into a foreign language.  Wow, how serious special.  Maybe mommy will let you suck on her titty tonight, because you are such a sweet little pussy-baby.

Posted by: jwm at August 10, 2011 06:43 PM (spEu4)

332

Bob Beckel demonstrated what an idiot he is when he stated the riots were caused by austerity measures and when asked if these measures should be cut because of the violence he avoided answering.  He is the face of progressivism gone nuts.  A tiny little man, a drug addict whorte monger whose intellect is somewhat south of Barney Frank and whose integrity is less than John Kerry's heroism.

 

The only positive thing about him one might forced to say is that he is the poster bouy for lepers and retards.

Posted by: Molon Labe at August 10, 2011 06:46 PM (g5MrG)

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 07:10 PM (k1rwm)

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 07:19 PM (k1rwm)

335 No one here gives a Damn about your links you stupid troll. Leave and find another place where you can pretend to be independent.

Posted by: filter this you stupid troll at August 10, 2011 07:19 PM (j+tgP)

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 07:21 PM (k1rwm)

337 Interestingly enough, during WWll, the NRA gathered some 7000 firearms to give to the beleaguered brits who, even then, had subjugated their safety to the crown

Hopefully that won't happen again, as few were returned and most were destroyed in demonstrations of liberal superiority.

Posted by: Oh yeah at August 10, 2011 07:21 PM (y0VOX)

338 Go on up....suck on mommy's titty and get some rest so you are all refreshed tomorrow  for your later than late links that make you feel so relevant .  Just remember to keep mommy near by so she can  pat you on the head when no one is paying any attention to you.

Just remember...those that do, pay attention, just don't know you as well, but they will soon come to.

You will obtain the true badge of the gutterscrunt.  I do know that is your goal.  I'm just being of service.

Enjoy your narcissistic dreams, and your nyc nightmares!

Posted by: jwm at August 10, 2011 07:23 PM (spEu4)

339 Posted by: jwm at August 10, 2011 11:23 PM (spEu4)

you do know that everything you post and buzzion and a couple of others are being monitored right?

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 07:24 PM (k1rwm)

340 Yeah by your pussy cowardly liberal friends we know.  So scary.  I dare them to show some balls and comment.  And you can leave then because we don't need to hear anymore stupid second hand accounts of what they say from your lying trolling ass.

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 07:27 PM (GULKT)

341 monty, have you seen this chart?

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 07:30 PM (k1rwm)

342 Do Sybil's friends monitor when IT links gay pron?

I bet they do. I bet it's quite the Lemon Party!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 10, 2011 07:34 PM (t69or)

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 07:35 PM (k1rwm)

344 I wonder if your friends monitored this place yesterday when your pathetic ass was gone and thought "wow these guys seem pretty reasonable and friendly"

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 07:38 PM (GULKT)

345 HEY SUNT, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE LINKING?

WHO DO YOU THINK CLICKS YOUR LINKS AFTER YOU LINKED GAY FUCKING PORN?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 10, 2011 07:40 PM (t69or)

346 Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 10, 2011 11:40 PM (t69or)
you know how we know you are really old?  Casue that wasn't gay pron it was regular guys regular real guys and regular real girls go to the site.  It was a mistake and I apologized.  I trusted someone I shouldn't have trusted.  But, since you are perfect, you wouldn't know about stuff like that.  Wow, if you have kids their life must be hell on earth.  Do you ever enjoy life? 

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 07:50 PM (k1rwm)

347 Everyone but you is calling it gay porn you little troll.  And if it wasn't gay porn why do you need to apologize so much for it.  Just one more instance of you lying and trying to twist what actually happened so you can claim to be an innocent victim.

Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 07:54 PM (GULKT)

348 @*375*

You really think I give a flying fuck?

You?  Your so called "friends"?  Who else?  Want to try an scare me scrunt?  HAHAHA!    You are such a fucking low life loser it would be pathetic if it weren't so fucking funny.  

Who you gonna send after me, huh?  I say, FUCKING BRING IT!   I'm ready.  I'm prepared.  Lets see who fucking walks away.

Bring it you little slummygrimmygutterscrunt.  Come on, be the bitch you proclaim to be, and bring it!  I look forward to it!

Posted by: jwm at August 10, 2011 07:55 PM (spEu4)

349 I guess TROLL missed the ads on the page where guys were taking it up the poop shoot. In all it's glory (hole)

How did you miss that on your 'regular guys regular real guys' website, TROLL?

You're in your 20's (allegedly) and you spend at least 14-16 hours a day here linking shit that no one fucking reads. And  you're not wanted here. Who does that?  Yeah, great life '20's Something', TROLL. That's certainly not how I spent my 20s.

Go tell your Mom she should have swallowed the night you were conceived, TROLL.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 10, 2011 07:59 PM (t69or)

350 Posted by: buzzion at August 10, 2011 11:54 PM (GULKT)

It was a place where real guys upload real pictures of their real junk.  I guess you old folks might think it was gay pron but it wasn't.  I apologized cause I didn't realize when I copied and pasted it from my friend's email that it was so graphic a link.  I trusted her and she apparently had a different moral filter than I do.  So, it offended some people and I apologized.  BTW, I learned a lesson to always check any link before I post it anywhere.  I'm actually totally paranoid about it now.

So, that is my last explanation to you.  back you go on the beta filter....

and j whatever.....it's common sense to watch how you speak to another poster on the internet, you never know who is watching.

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 08:00 PM (k1rwm)

351 shouldn't you guys be on the ONT?  What are you doing on here?

Posted by: . at August 10, 2011 08:03 PM (k1rwm)

352 @*382*

"Oh Whhhhhhaaaaaaaahwaaaaaaaaahhhhwahhhhhhhh.  It was a perfectly fine site.  Nothing wrong with it...but whaaaaaaaahwhaaaaaaaaaahh, my friend betrayed me so it wasn't my fault.  But there wasn't anything wrong with it...whaaaaaaaaahhh."

You lying whining crying sniveling bitch.  *big loogy spit*

You know what?  People like you make me more sick to my stomach than the libtards do.  They are sick of soul and mind.  YOU and those like you are devoid of soul or mind.  Just purely deranged and evil.

Pass this on to your mommy, titty baby, so she can once again sooth your evil mind.  
And then, once again ask her, how in the hell she can not be absolutely ashamed to have raised a child like you.

Posted by: jwm at August 10, 2011 08:03 PM (spEu4)

353 /beta filter on....

/beta filter off...

Another FIERCE night in the life of a faaabulous NYC 20's Something Gal!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 10, 2011 08:03 PM (t69or)

354 Chill out.

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 10, 2011 08:04 PM (p4cAN)

355 Care to answer why you still comment here when pretty much a good portion of the blog has told you to get lost and go to hell?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 10, 2011 08:04 PM (t69or)

356 Someone already created a filter for the blog in 2008 you ignorant little stain. Go away.

Posted by: leave troll at August 10, 2011 08:06 PM (7THYp)

357 I don't say anything...and I mean anything on here to an individual that I wouldn't say in person.  I'm not afraid of doing so.  So don't try and fucking threaten me you gawdamn gutterscrunt.

Posted by: jwm at August 10, 2011 08:08 PM (spEu4)

358 @*387*

Oh just thought we'd come and keep company so you wouldn't have to sit her all night and yammer at your gutterscrunt self. *sweet smile*

care to chat?

Posted by: jwm at August 10, 2011 08:13 PM (spEu4)

Posted by: jwm at August 10, 2011 08:39 PM (spEu4)

361 The byline of that piece of repugnant mob-fellating moral equivalence in the Montreal Gazette?

Mohammed Abbas.

Just sayin'.

Oh yeah, and he works for Reuters.

Just sayin' again.

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at August 10, 2011 10:13 PM (QxGmu)

362 Boring? Huh? Nothing like a dumb and dumber haircut to just scream "EXCITING".

Posted by: Doom at August 10, 2011 11:41 PM (1awZ0)

363 20 I'm glad I was able to visit London back when the biggest threat was the IRA.  We actually had to evacuate our hotel one night because of a paper bag found in a hallway.  Turns out it was someone's lunch.

I'd love to see yobs try that stuff down south, not in Atlanta (where it would take off like wildfire) but in the smaller towns and rural areas.  Popcorn time.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 10, 2011 07:55 PM

Jane, I'm down Brunswick way. Every day the regrettably Dead Miss Emily drove 30 miles to work, I made sure she had a loaded sidearm in the glove box and a 12 gauge shotgun in the trunk- just in case she needed something better that a sorry-assed pistol.

I agree about Hot-lanta... it's a pesthole. Down here you'd see neighbors banding together, and forming Vigilance Committees if the "authorities" failed.

We take care of our own.

Posted by: backhoe at August 11, 2011 02:24 AM (rFdqZ)

364

For all our Transatlantic chums, here's a brief run down of what you may carry for personal defence outside of your home in the UK:-

Nothing.

Here's a list of things you may lawfully use in the defense of your own home in the UK:-

Nothing.

Here's a very brief list of the type of weapons that are regularly used in violent crimes in the UK:-

Knives, machetes, axes, samurai swords.

Tasers, pepper sprays.

Converted 'Brockock' starting pistols re-chambered to fire live rounds

Revolvers and semi-automatic pistols

Shotguns (being England they tend to be double barrelled rather than pump action, but we can live in hope)

Military grade semi- and fully-automatic weapons including AK47's, MAC 10 SMG's, and even a WW2 vintage Sten gun.

The above list is by no means exhaustive, does not include 'ad hoc' weaponry such as bricks, bottles and attack dogs.

And, as you can see, its all working out spiffingly.

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Bobo at August 11, 2011 03:45 AM (LU5Sp)

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