August 04, 2011
And: Will He Bother Even Running?
— Ace I've been peddling this crazy semi-prediction for a year and a half. I've mentioned it on the blog.
If Obama looks doomed a year out from the election, will he simply decline to run?
Roger Simon asks if he should.
Obama seems to be acknowledging his failure thusfar when he adds a a special new caveat to his Yes We Can slogan:
"It's been a long, tough journey. But we have made some incredible strides together. Yes, we have. But the thing that we all ought to remember is that as much as good as we have done, precisely because the challenges were so daunting, precisely because we we were inheriting so many challenges, that we're not even halfway there yet. When I said 'change we can believe in' I didn't say 'change we can believe in tomorrow.' Not change we can believe in next week. We knew this was going to take time because we've got this big, messy, tough democracy," President Obama said at a campaign fundraiser in Chicago on Wednesday night.
No, he didn't say "tomorrow" or "next week." However, hedid actually provide a specific time frame. In 2009, he said: "if I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition."
We're now six months out from "three years." And what does "done" mean? Done seems to mean "economy fully recovered and growing."
I think "done" will have to be redefined as "barely begun" for him to have any chance.
Should he decline to run again? Even if he believes in the Leftist Dream, he has to begin to realize another leftist, without his track record of demonstrable failure, would have a better chance of keeping the dream alive.
The Chattering Classes have a heard mentality. While three months ago they were airily predicting Obama almost could not lose, they are now reversing themselves. This latest article from Politico is one of the most forward-leaning of its type so far, virtually predicting that Obama is doomed.
The consensus has been that for all his problems, Obama is so skilled a politician — and the eventual GOP nominee so flawed or hapless — that he’d most likely be reelected.Don’t buy into it.
This breezy certitude fails to reckon with how weak his fundamentals are a year out from the general election. Gallup pegs his approval rating at a discouraging 42 percent, with his standing among independents falling 9 points in four weeks.
His economic stats are even worse. The nation has 2.5 million fewer jobs today than the day Obama took office, a fact youÂ’re sure to hear the Republicans repeat. Consumer confidence is scraping levels not seen since March 2009.
Where’s the bright spot? Hard to see. Obama has few, if any, domestic achievements that enjoy broad public support. No one assumes employment, growth or housing prices to pick up much, if at all — something Obama is essentially powerless to change. And the political environment and electoral map are significantly tougher than in 2008, especially in true up-for-grabs states.
“The historical precedents of what happens to incumbent presidents in these economic circumstances are not positive or encouraging,” said Geoff Garin, a top Democratic pollster. “There has been a false sense of confidence among a lot of Democratic activists.”
Obama advisers acknowledge the challenges posed by the economy but argue that voters will like his rescue of the auto industry, signing of Wall Street reform, championing of new restrictions on credit-card issuers, repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell,” investments in clean energy and victory on insurance protection for people with pre-existing conditions.
OMG, he's going to run on the auto bailouts and Don't Ask, Don't Tell being repealed?
Is that the best you've got? Seriously?
That's a long piece from Politico, and worth reading in full (just for entertainment and schadenboners). Like coaches say, you're never as good as it looks like you are when you win, and you're never as bad as it looks like when you're losing.
But Obama has six to nine months to get us out of this hole. That's it. And if the double-dip comes -- forget it. That will take us deep into 2012.
One area Politico discusses (apart from the obvious ones -- the horrific economy, the $7 trillion in new debt he'll have added) is Obama's weak legislative legacy.
I don't think this stuff drives elections much in the first place. But it is notable that while Obama's stewardship of the economy gets low marks, his legislative accomplishments -- much easier things to do, given his party controlled Congress for two years -- are also unpopular.
A big hurdle for the president is the unpopularity of the very policies that his team thought would be big accomplishments in the first term.Obama delivered on his promise to help prevent an economic collapse early on, help save the auto industry, crack down on Wall Street and then enact the most sweeping expansion of government-supported health care coverage since the 1960s. ItÂ’s not clear heÂ’s getting much of a political boost for any of it.
A top Democratic strategist who is close to the White House said that Obama’s first-term record “is going to be, on balance, probably a liability” for his reelection, partly “because of the failure to sell and explain the things that they were doing.”
Ah. That again. Obama, the alleged great communicator, just hasn't "sold" these wonderful things properly.
“I believe history will judge what they did to be correct,” the strategist said. “But the failure to communicate why they were doing it has meant that there is such confusion. … It’s ground he’s going to have to make up, rather than things he’s going to be able to run on.”Polls show his economic policy, the health care law and the auto bailout get positive reviews from fewer than half of voters. Hard to see how that changes.
I suppose there is some room for liberal hope in the idea that Obama is such a great orator. He will fill people with gauzy good feelings as he did in 2008.
But is that even true? Was he a good orator, ever? Is he even above average?
Matthew Continenti doesn't think so.
Barack Obama has a communications problem. His reputation for eloquence and argument is highly exaggerated—at best. Speech after speech, appearance after appearance, the president has failed to persuade the undecided that his views are correct, much less win over opponents. You can blame partisan polarization, the institutional limitations of the presidency, the diversity of new media, whatever. The truth is, the more Obama talks, the worse he performs....
The classic example of the presidentÂ’s failure to sway public opinion remains health care. The Washington Post reports that Obama has delivered 58 speeches on the topic since he became president. An obvious case of diminishing returns: According to the RealClearPolitics average of polls, Americans oppose the presidentÂ’s health care overhaul 51 percent to 38 percent.
Now there is one card left to play, of course. Racism.
Oh I don't think that will fly. At all. I think it will be seen as what it is, an embarrassing demonstration of incompetent excuse-making for previous incompetence.
Still, some on the left are giving it a go.
Barack Obama's difficulties are the result of racism: It has been a frequently recurring theme ever since he emerged as a serious presidential candidate. Obama himself has raised it occasionally, though not often, but his supporters fall back on it all the time--including now.Here's DeWayne Wickham in yesterday's USA Today: "This total lack of respect is downright contemptible--if not unpatriotic. Such contempt, I'm convinced, is rooted in something other than political differences. . . . The presence of Jim Crow, Jr.--a more subtle form of racism--is there."
What prompts these accusations of racism? In Wickham's words, Speaker John Boehner "contemptuously waited more than half a day to return a call from the president," and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor complained to reporters that Obama cut short a meeting, "as though the president needs his permission to end a White House gathering." In reference to the Cantor spat, Wickham writes:
That encounter might have reminded Obama of the open letter Frederick Douglass, a runaway slave and abolitionist who became one of this nation's first black diplomats, wrote to his slave master.It would be "a privilege" to show you "how mankind ought to treat each other," Douglass told the man who had badly mistreated him. "I am your fellow man, but not your slave.
This is overwrought to the point of absurdity.
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For the purpose of argument, let's stipulate that the assertion is true: that racism is the reason Barack Obama is unable to govern effectively. What are the implications?
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The trouble with this for the president's supporters is that one cannot assert Obama is unable to govern effectively because of racism without conceding that he is unable to govern effectively. To put it mildly, that is not a strong argument in favor of re-electing him.
It's all so absurd -- only racists would vote against a president who's had a 9% unemployment rate throughout most of his term! -- and yet, it's among their declining bullet-points in the case for Barack Obama.
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Posted by: California Red at August 04, 2011 01:33 PM (7uWb8)
Posted by: elspeth at August 04, 2011 01:33 PM (0AkWH)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 01:34 PM (AZGON)
Can't have that.
Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2011 01:35 PM (X6akg)
Should he decline to run again? Even if he believes in the Leftist Dream, he has to begin to realize another leftist, without his track record of demonstrable failure, would have a better chance of keeping the dream alive.
Whether Obama believes in the Leftist Dream, he believes more strongly and deeply in his right to use Air Force One as the ultimate private jet and to have his favorite entertainers, sports stars and chefs come running to him at the snap of his fingers. And his wife shares that deep commitment to sharing the perks of office.
Ex-Presidents get treated well, but they don't get the same treatment as when they were in office. Obama will not give up the chance to extend his luxury ride another four years -- not for anything.
Posted by: stuiec at August 04, 2011 01:36 PM (Di3Im)
Posted by: Chas at August 04, 2011 01:36 PM (49b0V)
Pathological narcissists do not willingly give up the spotlight. He will run. He will lose. And the usual suspects will talk of conspiracies, racism, and the immaturity of the American people (you know, the same that hired the guy in 200
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 04, 2011 01:36 PM (7utQ2)
What prompts these accusations of racism? In Wickham's words, Speaker John Boehner "contemptuously waited more than half a day to return a call from the president," and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor complained to reporters that Obama cut short a meeting, "as though the president needs his permission to end a White House gathering."
OK. And go back to the time when Bush was President and Pelosi walked to a microphone after her meeting with him was done and promptly announced he was a deranged lunatic (or something to that effect). The MSM is getting very nervous. Glad to see it.
Posted by: joejm65 at August 04, 2011 01:36 PM (UZuc4)
Don't forget our gauzy dream of High Speed Rail, wingnut.
Posted by: Jay "Baghdad" Carney at August 04, 2011 01:37 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 01:37 PM (AZGON)
Heh. Was that on purpose?, because that is exactly right if it was. One MFMer says something and they all repeat what they heard.
Posted by: Dow down 10% + at August 04, 2011 01:37 PM (4QeK8)
RCP Average Direction of the Country 6/24 - 7/31
Right Track 24.5% Wrong Track 68.3%
Spread -43.8
Toast.
Posted by: reposted, for great justice at August 04, 2011 01:38 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: ace at August 04, 2011 01:38 PM (nj1bB)
He's going to be a drag to the point where a bunch of Dems in winnable House and Senate races will go down with him, a la Carter in '80 taking a bunch of entrenched Senators like Frank Church, George McGovern, and others out due to the early concession.
Will he decline to run? No.
The only thing he's really done since getting elected was to run an eternal re-election campaign. There's no way he's going to leave before he and Mooch-elle live it up at taxpayer expense one last time.
It may come down to the Dems deciding to throw him under the bus in order to save themselves, otherwise we could end up seeing some shocking firsts like a Republican winning the open Senate seat vacated by Daniel Inouye in Hawaii.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 04, 2011 01:39 PM (JqpkY)
Posted by: ace at August 04, 2011 01:39 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 04, 2011 01:39 PM (4QeK8)
Posted by: baseballguy at August 04, 2011 01:40 PM (MaS0T)
No, you didn't say "tomorrow" or "next week." However, you did actually provide a specific time frame: In 2009, he said: ""if I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition."
Don't read anything into that. Obama's promises are utterly meaningless.
Posted by: Cicero at August 04, 2011 05:33 PM (QKKT0)
More to the point, Obama could never have dreamed in 2009 that his policies would have put him and the country into the position they are in. He was certain then that unemployment would be under 6 percent, the deficit would be shrinking due to high GDP growth and concomitant revenues, and the world would be a tranquil and joyous ball of wonderfulness because of his transformative presence on the global stage.
If one of his advisors had pulled him aside after he made that statement and warned him that he'd virtually promised not to run if things weren't rosy and hunky-dory in Spring 2012, Obama would have said, "Relax, man -- what are the chances that the economy won't be chugging along by then? Zero!"
Posted by: stuiec at August 04, 2011 01:41 PM (Di3Im)
I have said for 6 months he will not be the nominee. Health concerns or time with family will be the excuses, but Obama will NOT be the Democrat nominee. It would be iffy if the election was this November, but add in another whole year of this crap? The bloom is off the rose/turd. Once the average person sees that it is allowable to disapprove of Obama, and not racist, game over. He will lose at least another 5% in the polls, leaving only the die hard liberals/commies, and a certain group that voted for him at around 95%.
The left never gives up the cause, and if they have to use back channel pressure to get JEF to step aside, they will. Hillary could run as a centrist compared to Barky and have a very good shot at winning the whole thing.
Don't get me wrong, I want JEF to get his shot in the teeth. He can't take it, glass jaw and all that. It will absolutely destroy him. In the end, the big money Dems will even step on to save him from himself.
Posted by: Lord Humungus Wasteland Jihadi at August 04, 2011 01:41 PM (Yv6gq)
NO chance whatsover that Juguears will not run for re-election.
If the last 3 years have taught us anything, it is that he is incapable of admitting failure. Anytime he tries, he immediately shifts to blaming Bush or some other nefarious cause.
If the stock market picks up, it will be based on HOPE (that a Republican nominee will be able to beat Obama and begin a recovery that reverses his disastrous policies.
Posted by: Kortezzi at August 04, 2011 01:41 PM (piR98)
Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at August 04, 2011 01:42 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Jollyroger at August 04, 2011 01:42 PM (NCw5u)
Posted by: Y-not at August 04, 2011 05:39 PM (5H6zj)
I still think Buchanan's got him beat. But you know who is coming up hard on the outside coming out of the clubhouse turn.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 04, 2011 01:42 PM (7utQ2)
Destiny and all that other happy yummy bullshit. Plus Michelle will pull his ears off and beat him with them once she realizes she's about to lose her staff of 26 toadies. He'll run and like it.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 04, 2011 01:43 PM (ENKCw)
I denounce myself in advance.
Posted by: Fritz at August 04, 2011 01:43 PM (/ZZCn)
Posted by: Larry Dickman at August 04, 2011 01:43 PM (4t9J5)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 01:43 PM (AZGON)
I took a girl out on a date once. We went for dinner, then a stroll around town (I was a poor student). We then adjourned to my room, where she necked with me for about three minutes, and then left.
So for my comparatively large investment in time and money, I got three minutes of "gauzy good feelings."
It may have been (but really wasn't) worth it once, but I sure as shit didn't take her out for dinner again.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 04, 2011 01:43 PM (LH6ir)
Andrew Malcolm in the LAT used a succinct phrase that I think best describes Obama's presidency.
Ambitious but unspecified.
Obama knows where he wants to go but he doesn't have a fuckall clue about how to get there.
Posted by: soothie at August 04, 2011 01:43 PM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Will Folks at August 04, 2011 01:45 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 01:45 PM (AZGON)
"Obama has few, if any, domestic achievements that enjoy broad public support."
But he does look great in expensive sunglasses, enjoys the finest wine, and let's not talk bout how moist he makes liberal women.
He's got a lot to recommend him.
Let's vote him in again. He's black.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at August 04, 2011 01:45 PM (tcSZb)
1. Does anyone here no of anyone who was NOT an Obama supporter in 2008 that IS now?
2. Does anyone here know of anyone who supported Obama in 2008 that no longer does?
Add to that that he has completely lost independents and there is no way blacks and young people will voted for him in droves like last time and I believe you are looking at a landslide electoral defeat.
The remaining question is, when do the powers that be in the Democrat Party also come to this revelation and realize that not only will they lose the presidency with Obama in 2012, they will get crushed in Congress on his coattails of defeat.
When that word goes out, look for the MSM to turn on Obama like a pack of hungry wolves.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 04, 2011 01:45 PM (uVlA4)
Posted by: mpfs, Weeping, Broke, Tea Party Terrorist at August 04, 2011 01:46 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 04, 2011 01:46 PM (c45xH)
Everyone is saying "if the double dip comes..." That is ludicrous. We never got out of the first dip. We're just sinking lower.
He'll also run on how he "got" OBL.
Posted by: kevlarchick at August 04, 2011 01:46 PM (TNuqz)
One small step for man, one huge clusterfuck for mankind.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 04, 2011 01:46 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 04, 2011 05:43 PM (LH6ir)
She probably went to go see Buzz Lighttouch after y'all were done, CBD.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 04, 2011 01:46 PM (JqpkY)
From Taranto's Best of the Web:
Stuck With Obama
Another man of the left who is unhappy with President Obama is Washington Post columnist Harold Meyerson, one of about three self-described socialists in America. "President Obama is faring poorly these days," Meyerson observes, "but he can console himself with the fact that he'll probably be spared the fate of previous presidents who fell on hard times: a primary challenge."
Meyerson identifies two reasons for this. The first is that among the left, antipathy toward the Republicans outweighs dissatisfaction with the president. The second is interesting:
The other reason Obama hasn't faced a challenge, and isn't likely to, is that he's black. Any Democrat who would challenge Obama, whatever the basis of his or her candidacy, would almost surely encounter intense opposition from the party's African American base, the one group in Democrats' orbit that regularly votes Democratic at a 90 percent rate. Such a challenge could create a rift that might take decades to heal.
Yesterday we examined, and rejected, the proposition that racism is to blame for Obama's troubles. Here is a man of the left arguing that Obama is benefitting politically from race-based solicitude because he is black. #BeforeBlackPresidents, a failed president had to worry about a primary challenge.
Posted by: stuiec at August 04, 2011 01:46 PM (Di3Im)
It was McCarthy in '68.
And as for those other indicators, it's only August of 2011.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 04, 2011 01:46 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: President Corky Mcfuckup at August 04, 2011 01:46 PM (0yGvK)
So for my comparatively large investment in time and money, I got three minutes of "gauzy good feelings."
It may have been (but really wasn't) worth it once, but I sure as shit didn't take her out for dinner again.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 04, 2011 05:43 PM (LH6ir)
I was on the rag. Asshole.
Posted by: CharlieBrown's Dildo's date at August 04, 2011 01:47 PM (NCw5u)
He God damn well better. We need to see him repudiated by the voters. After all he has put us through, we deserve some satisfaction.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 04, 2011 01:47 PM (NecE5)
Posted by: willow at August 04, 2011 01:47 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 01:47 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 04, 2011 01:47 PM (uVlA4)
Hey, If I hadn't been president, we'd all be speaking Farsi, the Dow would be at 90, and there'd be a Taco Bell on every corner.
Posted by: Barky Malarky at August 04, 2011 01:48 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: fluffy at August 04, 2011 01:48 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 01:48 PM (AZGON)
let's recall some of our favorites.
"America is Back" by Newsweek
and Esquire mag gave us this just a month ago:
"Can we just enjoy Obama for a moment? [...] Because twenty years from now, we're going to look back on this time as a glorious idyll in American politics, with a confident, intelligent, fascinating president riding the surge of his prodigious talents from triumph to triumph. Whatever happens this fall or next, the summer of 2011 is the summer of Obama."
Posted by: soothie at August 04, 2011 01:48 PM (sqkOB)
So, if there is a primary challenge, it can only come from another African-American.
Looking at you Harold Ford.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 04, 2011 01:49 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: C*ntessa Brewer at August 04, 2011 01:49 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 01:49 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 04, 2011 05:47 PM (uVlA4)
Yo. Pretty sure we should own that one.
Posted by: Greece at August 04, 2011 01:49 PM (NCw5u)
Posted by: Larry Dickman at August 04, 2011 01:49 PM (4t9J5)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at August 04, 2011 01:50 PM (kG75t)
Posted by: Dave C at August 04, 2011 01:50 PM (rus4r)
I'll be in my bunk until tomorrow.
Striking all the big red words from my little black book.
Posted by: goy at August 04, 2011 01:51 PM (AfU1B)
Posted by: James at August 04, 2011 01:51 PM (GkYyh)
1. Does anyone here no of anyone who was NOT an Obama supporter in 2008 that IS now?
2. Does anyone here know of anyone who supported Obama in 2008 that no longer does?
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 04, 2011 05:45 PM (uVlA4)
May be just anecdotal, but being from uberlib metro NY, I had several friends who voted for The Won, mainly to prove they weren't racists. When I couldn't convince my one friend who I consider the bellwether voter (basically fundamentally conservative, but doesn't know it), I knew we had no chance. I knew the bloodbath was coming last year when the bellwether told me he was voting party line R. Even my dedicated commie-lib friends hate the JEF now. One-and-done.
Posted by: mugiwara at August 04, 2011 01:52 PM (KI/Ch)
You cannot have ze duck. You think with a portfolio like zees you can have ze duck?!
You can have ze chicken.
Posted by: Patrick Stewart at August 04, 2011 01:52 PM (/GX8/)
Prove it. Inconsistency is a libtard trait, but this guy has raised it to a level somewhere between the orbits of Jupiter and Saturn.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 04, 2011 01:52 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: Barack "Gollum" Obama at August 04, 2011 01:52 PM (136wp)
Posted by: Jollyroger at August 04, 2011 01:52 PM (NCw5u)
x2.
He's getting donations (Other People's Money) and there is no credible challenger. No reason not to run.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 04, 2011 01:53 PM (DEcmU)
Posted by: mpfs, Weeping, Broke, Tea Party Terrorist at August 04, 2011 01:53 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 01:53 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: dɥoǝuıxƃıɹl at August 04, 2011 01:53 PM (eOXTH)
Thankfully, no one remembers me anymore. If they do, they think I'm some jackhole in a tent in Korea.
Posted by: Franklin Pierce at August 04, 2011 01:53 PM (JqpkY)
You can have ze chicken.
Posted by: Patrick Stewart at August 04, 2011 05:52 PM (/GX8/)
Make it so, Number One.
Posted by: Barack "The Alien" Obama at August 04, 2011 01:53 PM (136wp)
Posted by: Dave C at August 04, 2011 01:53 PM (rus4r)
Posted by: Will Folks at August 04, 2011 05:45 PM (nj1bB)
Ace has the best Will Folk sock. Always awesome.
Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2011 01:54 PM (/GX8/)
not to mention this from April 2010:
“We caught a lot of bad breaks on the way down. We’re going to catch a few good breaks because of good planning on the way up.... All in all, we’re going to be creating somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 jobs next month."
That sounded so good to Biden's own ears and the crowd in PA loved it, too. So Joe went even further with this:
"Even some in the White House said, 'Hey, don't get ahead of yourself.' Well, I'm here to tell you, some time in the next couple of months, we're going to be creating between 250,000 jobs a month and 500,000 jobs a month."
Posted by: soothie at August 04, 2011 01:54 PM (sqkOB)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 01:54 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Marmo the Greater at August 04, 2011 01:54 PM (Tm9Vp)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 01:55 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at August 04, 2011 01:55 PM (kG75t)
You WILL enjoy my Hope & Change, but first you will blow me!
Posted by: Barry Soetoro at August 04, 2011 01:56 PM (WeedA)
Way too soon to write Toonces off. The economy will come back in anticipation of a new President. And Obama will claim it's the long overdue recovery he's promised. We can only hope it'll be too little too late. He is a formidable liar, I mean campaigner.
From now to November 2012, the Dow & other market indices will fluctuate inversely with Jugears' poll numbers.
Posted by: Kortezzi at August 04, 2011 01:56 PM (piR98)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 01:56 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 05:54 PM (k1rwm)
You mean the psychic website who's bullshit you actually believe.
Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 01:56 PM (oVQFe)
They have two candidates I see as viable to the center and right, but are unpalatable to the far left and black voters in their party... former Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) and former Gov. Phil Brederson (D-TN).
I don't see them being nominated in 2012 because those two groups would just sit at home, but I could see them being possibilities for 2016 if there's a housecleaning after Obama loses.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 04, 2011 01:56 PM (JqpkY)
Posted by: sherlock at August 04, 2011 01:57 PM (6rLSO)
Posted by: dɥoǝuıxƃıɹl at August 04, 2011 01:57 PM (eOXTH)
So to answer the question if Obama is doomed -- yes.
Because he is surrounded by fools and nincompoops such as Joe Biden, Tim Geithner, David Plouffe, Newsweek, Esquire, Politico, NBC, CBS, Eric Holder, and so on.
Obama is a polished turd and no one wants to buy a polished turd...again.
Posted by: soothie at August 04, 2011 01:58 PM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Larry Dickman at August 04, 2011 01:58 PM (4t9J5)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 01:58 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 01:58 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Lord Humungus Wasteland Jihadi at August 04, 2011 01:58 PM (Yv6gq)
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 04, 2011 01:58 PM (xy9wk)
That is Obama. He has bullshitted his way through life on the color of his skin and the facile glibness of his oratory, aided by the affirmative action of all who had any influence. Now, when there is nobody above him in the heirarchy to coddle him and cover for him, he is well and truly fucked. The only problem is that now there are 300,000,000 Americans who depend on him to do the smart, or at least the least stupid thing, and...he doesn't know what to do!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 04, 2011 01:59 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 05:43 PM (AZGON)
So you're saying there's a chance. Yeahhhh!!!
Posted by: angler at August 04, 2011 01:59 PM (SwjAj)
The nation calls out for Cynthia McKinney.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 04, 2011 01:59 PM (Hx5uv)
He doesn't know how to fail because nobody has ever allowed him to fail.
Posted by: sifty t. baggins the Tearorist at August 04, 2011 01:59 PM (ECjvn)
Sounds like a wonderful commercial:
Voice over: "In 2009, Barky promised to fundamentally change America..."
Start video of Obamster saying (or printed on screen) "if I don't have this done in three years...
transition into the tidbits showing the bailout, the stimulus, and Obamacare being passed -- into unemployment rates rising, stock market crashing, GDP flatlining, national debt skyrocketing (this may actual be a hockey stick graph I can believe in unfortunately) , etc.
transition back to Obamster with ", then there's going to be a one-term proposition."
conclude with the debt numbers continuing to tick up, with voice over "Is he done yet?"
Posted by: Dilligas at August 04, 2011 01:59 PM (HhjUQ)
Posted by: The MFM at August 04, 2011 01:59 PM (rus4r)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 02:00 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: sherlock at August 04, 2011 05:57 PM (6rLSO)
Oh, you haven't seen their "The Sophisticates Joke" yet
Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 04, 2011 02:00 PM (136wp)
Actual, open fondling.
I have Matthews in the pool. So to speak.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 04, 2011 02:00 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: dɥoǝuıxƃıɹl at August 04, 2011 02:00 PM (eOXTH)
Not counting Bill Clinton, you have to admit I am the greatest Black President this country has had. Ever!
Posted by: Barack Obama, The President of the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations. at August 04, 2011 02:00 PM (hbAPu)
thanks mr. boehner.
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 02:01 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 02:02 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: blue star at August 04, 2011 02:02 PM (MLZxF)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 05:54 PM (k1rwm)
Even Miss Cleo thinks Obama is toast.
So you know psychics too? Where do you find the time?
Posted by: mpfs, Weeping, Broke, Tea Party Terrorist at August 04, 2011 02:02 PM (iYbLN)
o/t
can't tell if I'm relieved or sadden by the fact that Eureka is ending after next season
Posted by: The Dude at August 04, 2011 02:02 PM (M8yfa)
I watched it too, but I don't know whether the quotation is real, so I used the movie.
But wow, you are old. Did you ride a horse to school?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 04, 2011 02:02 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: dɥoǝuýxƃýɹl at August 04, 2011 05:57 PM (eOXTH)
my psychic told me you'd say that.
Posted by: curiousity at August 04, 2011 02:02 PM (c45xH)
Posted by: Barack Hussain Obama: Winning the Future at August 04, 2011 02:03 PM (hbAPu)
Posted by: Dave C at August 04, 2011 02:03 PM (rus4r)
Posted by: Jim at August 04, 2011 02:03 PM (YwDKF)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 02:03 PM (AZGON)
He's won elections, for his ability to read a teleprompter.
He once had a feeling of humility, but it passed.
He is the most arrogant man in the world.
Posted by: Barry Soetero at August 04, 2011 02:03 PM (bRMSH)
The dem talking heads seem to think if only Obama could present the progressive agenda using just the right magic words we would all suddenly say "aha!" and fall into line. But we are not stupid. You can wrap a shit sandwich in wonder bread but it will still taste like shit.
Obama himself even said today that the reason he has not succeeded is because of this damned democracy thing. If only he could just rule like a king everything would be fine (btw, the scary party is that he really does believe that).
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 04, 2011 02:03 PM (uVlA4)
Posted by: twiceblessedmom at August 04, 2011 02:03 PM (ttO5a)
They already charge interest. They should be capped. And I have no idea what you mean by subsidized.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 04, 2011 02:04 PM (7utQ2)
who precisely will decide to oppose the First Best Historically Brilliant Black Preznident?
A half black half Hispanic female of "different abilities".
Posted by: Mama AJ at August 04, 2011 02:04 PM (XdlcF)
can't tell if I'm relieved or sadden by the fact that Eureka is ending after next season
I've watched 7 of the 8 episodes of Outcasts and I'm angry beyond reason that there will never be an episode 9.
Posted by: FireHorse at August 04, 2011 02:04 PM (gTGz3)
Posted by: Bill Ayers at August 04, 2011 02:04 PM (STTZD)
Posted by: Barack Obama, Short Attention Spander in Chief at August 04, 2011 02:05 PM (hbAPu)
*makes note to pick up popcorn tomorrow*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 02:05 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 02:05 PM (k1rwm)
Explains a hell of a lot.
Posted by: Cicero at August 04, 2011 02:05 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 04, 2011 02:06 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 06:04 PM (k1rwm)
Only you are dumb enough to believe psychics. But then again you think Perry won't fly in other states because he's from Texas. Oh but Ron Paul will fly in other states. And Trump and Giuliani are serious contenders. So you are pretty stupid.
Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 02:06 PM (oVQFe)
Obama was elected because those who voted for him were enthralled by his ability to read a speech. Those who continue to support him remain enthralled by that singular superficial talent.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 04, 2011 02:06 PM (jx2j9)
I've watched 7 of the 8 episodes of Outcasts and I'm angry beyond reason that there will never be an episode 9.
Posted by: FireHorse at August 04, 2011 06:04 PM (gTGz3)
awesome show and it's going to have a second season
Posted by: The Dude at August 04, 2011 02:06 PM (M8yfa)
Posted by: Methos at August 04, 2011 02:06 PM (sOXQX)
the particular blog post is "Why was one of my predictions removed?"
and I'm pretty sure one of you selfish bitches had something to do with it.
Posted by: curiousity at August 04, 2011 02:06 PM (c45xH)
If it starts looking like he's going to suffer a landslide defeat, I wouldn't be surprised if he does quit.
His ego is unlikely to handle being crushed very well.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at August 04, 2011 02:07 PM (1rHeD)
Posted by: Barack Obama, Short Attention Spander in Chief at August 04, 2011 02:07 PM (hbAPu)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 02:07 PM (AZGON)
Ace, the presidential election of 2012 may be the least of our worries if this DOOM! thing goes the way I'm thinking it will. We've hit the debt wall. And I'm talking about total debt, not just government debt, which is about 350% of GDP. Yes, that's right. 150% seems to be the limit. We held there from the end of WWII (after the Depression worked off the last time total debt went over 200%) up until the late 80s or so. And then the Ponzi started, accelerating with the housing bubble. We hit 200% of GDP in 2000, and should have crashed then, but the Fed and Fannie and Freddie managed to keep the Ponzi going a little longer and get us to 350%.
It's over. That debt must be destroyed, and that means weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. We're not going to grow one iota until this bad debt is done away with. And that means Great Depression 2.0. Our only choice is whether that will be deflationary depression, or a (hyper-)inflationary one. Governments survive deflationary collapses. They don't survive hyperinflationary ones.
A half-assed joke I start hearing in tin-foil circles was that Obama would be the last president of the first American Revolution. That doesn't seem so crazy a thought to me now.
We don't have 10 years, maybe not even 5.
Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at August 04, 2011 02:07 PM (VVB18)
Some enterprising individual ought to figure out how to make supplemental bumper stickers that change the slogan to Are You Insane?!
Also, you got a question, you ask the 8 Ball (Puddy).
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 04, 2011 02:08 PM (4136b)
They already charge interest. They should be capped. And I have no idea what you mean by subsidized.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 04, 2011 06:04 PM (7utQ2)
essentially they are cutting off the knees of the "rich kids" to provide pell grants to the poor kids. A lot of the selfish parents of the "rich kids" didn't save so the rich kids have been using loans. If they start charging them interest from day 1 of college, then they are screwed and your kid now won't be able to go to college.
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 02:08 PM (k1rwm)
I hate it when I forget the lesbian...
I keep one in the trunk of my car, along with a toothbrush and a clean pair of boxers.
For emergencies.
Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2011 02:08 PM (/GX8/)
Posted by: toby928™ at August 04, 2011 02:09 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: The Dude at August 04, 2011 02:09 PM (M8yfa)
A French court on Thursday ordered an investigation into new IMF chief Christine Lagarde's role in a $400 million arbitration deal in favor of a controversial tycoon.
Investigators will open an inquiry this week into possible charges of "complicity to embezzlement of public funds" and "complicity to forgery," prosecutors said.
Lagarde was France's finance minister when magnate Bernard Tapie won a 2008 settlement with a French state-owned bank over the mishandled sale of sportswear maker Adidas in the 1990s. Critics viewed the settlement as an overly generous chunk of taxpayer money handed to a brash businessman.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 04, 2011 02:10 PM (4QeK8)
essentially they are cutting off
the knees of the "rich kids" to provide pell grants to the poor kids. A
lot of the selfish parents of the "rich kids" didn't save so the rich
kids have been using loans. If they start charging them interest from
day 1 of college, then they are screwed and your kid now won't be able
to go to college.
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 06:08 PM (k1rwm)
Damn those "selfish parents" to hell!!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 02:10 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 02:10 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: mpfs, Weeping, Broke, Tea Party Terrorist at August 04, 2011 02:11 PM (iYbLN)
Previous comments about the psychic blog.
I suggest reading the March 24th one first then the March 18 one just so you can see how she likes to mischaracterize a previous comment she makes to make herself sound better.
Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 02:11 PM (oVQFe)
Some folks I know have kids in state schools charging $40k a year. They're already getting screwed.
Posted by: Methos at August 04, 2011 02:12 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at August 04, 2011 02:12 PM (fuw6p)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 02:12 PM (QxSug)
Whether Obama believes in the Leftist Dream, he believes more strongly and deeply in his right to use Air Force One as the ultimate private jet and to have his favorite entertainers, sports stars and chefs come running to him at the snap of his fingers. And his wife shares that deep commitment to sharing the perks of office.
Ex-Presidents get treated well, but they don't get the same treatment as when they were in office. Obama will not give up the chance to extend his luxury ride another four years -- not for anything.
Posted by: stuiec at August 04, 2011 05:36 PM (Di3Im)
THIS. I've said since early 2008 that Obama is severely overrated as an intellect, an ideologue, and almost anything else he has been called by both his supporters and detractors. He is an ordinary man who simply bullshitted his way all the way to the White House. He was promised an easy time of it and all the livin' large while Valerie Jarrett and Rahm Emanuel ran the country.
He was never, ever, expected to do any heavy lifting. And so he won't. But with everything crashing down around him, he will not stand down because he has zero prospects for living like a billionaire after he leaves office. And because he really believes his own bullshit.
Posted by: rockmom at August 04, 2011 02:12 PM (lSyyU)
*makes note to pick up popcorn tomorrow*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 06:05 PM (UOM4
Lefties are honing their blame for this market disaster. Idiots like Bob Beckel and Alan Colmes were blaming the Tea Party and Bush. In Beckel's case, blamed the Tea Party for exactly the opposite effect that he was blaming them for a few days ago. On idiot on Fox Business actually blamed not continuing to spend more for the sell off. And they are doing it with a straight face - insisting they are right in their irrationality.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 04, 2011 02:12 PM (jx2j9)
I think it's been slowly dawning on Dick that he's a one-termer. And that's scary. The crazy gets thick when someone gets the idea that they have nothing else to lose.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 04, 2011 02:13 PM (0D0gY)
Damn those "selfish parents" to hell!!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 06:10 PM (UOM4
I was going to answer its blather, but then saw your comment. Much better. Besides, I have no fucking clue what it is babbling.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 04, 2011 02:13 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Jesusland Liberation Army - Political Terror Brigade at August 04, 2011 02:13 PM (lbo6/)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 02:13 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 06:10 PM (QxSug)
aren't you lovely. People planned for education except the fuckers in congress made education unaffordable even if you believe merill lynch and put away the greatest amount you could. those folks are paying their own way and need loans to pay the rest.
boehner was played, they are "his pell grants".
btw, lots of kids in college and grad school are being informed of this and the reaction is "damn the old people, they did this and we have to pay for it now". The republicans won't have to push grand ma off the cliff, her family will do it for them at this rate
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 02:13 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Dave C at August 04, 2011 02:13 PM (rus4r)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 02:14 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 02:14 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Larry Dickman at August 04, 2011 02:14 PM (4t9J5)
It is a sign that everyone is waiting for another shoe to drop. A running shoe.
I have many times said that there is a wellspring of resentment and rage toward the media in this country that no candidate has tapped. The first one who says "I am going to cut down the Dems, using a jawbone ripped from the corpse of the MSM as my sword!" is going to unleash a firestorm.
Posted by: sherlock at August 04, 2011 02:14 PM (6rLSO)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 04, 2011 02:15 PM (jx2j9)
Huh. You'd think she would have saw it coming.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 04, 2011 02:15 PM (4QeK8)
One of you morons want to take this one?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 02:15 PM (UOM48)
If they start charging them interest from day 1 of college, then they are screwed and your kid now won't be able to go to college.
Wimmens Studies Majors, awkwardly, hit hardest...
with latex phalli
Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2011 02:15 PM (/GX8/)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at August 04, 2011 06:12 PM (fuw6p)
Nah, she's pretty selfish. I have to do all the work.
Posted by: Huma Abedin at August 04, 2011 02:15 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: fluffy, moderately old person at August 04, 2011 02:15 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 04, 2011 02:16 PM (eMPxE)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2011 02:16 PM (SB0V2)
Obama is DONE. There is NO chance of economic recovery in time for election. ZERO. NADA. ZILCH.
Politically speaking, Republicans have to worry about facing Hillary (if she primaries Obama, she'll win in a f**king landslide). That's it.
This stock market crash has destroyed the credibility of middle-of-the-road Republicans who insist on mini-cuts to the budget. Even Paul Ryan's program looks ridiculously pussyish in comparison to what this country actually has to do to get its house in order.
We are royally f*cked. Obama is even more so, politically speaking.
Posted by: stickety at August 04, 2011 02:16 PM (FUDwf)
Wait... What?! What kind of new crazy is this? Rich kids using loans?! Next you'll tell me they use books, and subways, and remote controls too!
The horror.
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat can't tell if... at August 04, 2011 02:17 PM (4136b)
Oh boo fucking hoo, not everyone can go to college. Most of the subtards in college right now don't belong there in the first place.
Why the fuck should I subsidize some dickweed who is getting a degree in "Women's Studies?" That'll really contribute to society. Learn a fucking trade for Gawd's sake. The world needs ditch diggers too.
Posted by: mpfs, Weeping, Broke, Tea Party Terrorist at August 04, 2011 02:17 PM (iYbLN)
In my fantasy, his aides and secret service are peeling his fingers off the doorway of Air Force One.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 02:18 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: sifty t. baggins the Tearorist at August 04, 2011 02:18 PM (ECjvn)
@45: "1. Does anyone here no of anyone who was NOT an Obama supporter in 2008 that IS now?
2. Does anyone here know of anyone who supported Obama in 2008 that no longer does?
Add to that that he has completely lost independents and there is no way blacks and young people will voted for him in droves like last time and I believe you are looking at a landslide electoral defeat."
Anecdote only, but still....
My office building is largely occupied by a major university's computer science department. Overhead a bunch of their higher-ups (all cracka-ass crackas) talking at lunch two days ago about how Obama was not a success, but that he *had* to be re-elected to that he could succeed.
While waiting to file documents at court, I was standing behind two black women who were *very loudly* complaining that "We're just like Europe now!" "We fought a damn war to kick them out!" "No one has any money!" "No one can get any justice!" "This ain't America anymore!" and put all the blame squarely on "politicians". I would hazard a guess that they are no longer staunch Obama supporters.
Still, his white support base in the LA area is becoming even more fanatical, as far as I've seen.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 04, 2011 02:18 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: fluffy, not-so old person at August 04, 2011 02:19 PM (4Kl5M)
Do you really understand any of what you are saying? Try to learn some economics and then come back here.
Subsidized student loans are simply a subsidy of higher education. When something is subsidized we tend to get more of it, with fewer market driven price controls. And that is exactly what happened, with a concurrent decrease in quality.
Loans are the worst thing that ever happened to American higher education. And please, refute this with your big New York intellect.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 04, 2011 02:19 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2011 02:19 PM (SB0V2)
Posted by: dave clark at August 04, 2011 02:20 PM (VFYKw)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 02:20 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Mr Pink at August 04, 2011 02:20 PM (X3gob)
Hmmmm, does the Dow dropping 500 points in one day count as a Tragedy happening betwee July and September? Because if it does then I'm a fucking psychic! I predicted a tragedy happening within that window back in March!
Check me out. Psychic! Right here baby!
Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 02:20 PM (oVQFe)
Obama is DONE. There is NO chance of economic recovery in time for election. ZERO. NADA. ZILCH.
Politically speaking, Republicans have to worry about facing Hillary (if she primaries Obama, she'll win in a f**king landslide). That's it.
Posted by: sticketyObama is done but there is not a chance Shrillery bails now. She wouldn't have any way of differentiating herself from his administration. She was a part of it.
"Vote for me, I'll only helped him for 3 years!" ?
As all the cool kids say, Derp.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 04, 2011 02:20 PM (DEcmU)
I disagree. My mom made one of the best law schools in the country. At he time she didn't qualify for student aid and they told her there were no loans. she didn't go and that is a shame. I don't want to see that happen again to my generation.
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 02:21 PM (k1rwm)
This line from the Politico article jumped out at me:
No one assumes employment, growth or housing prices to pick up much, if at all — something Obama is essentially powerless to change.
Is the Left really going to argue that Presidents are powerless to change the course of the economy? Really? After nearly eighty years of Keynesian intervention as the modus operandi of the Democratic Party?
Besides, there's lots Obama could do to change employment, growth and housing prices. He could repeal Obamacare, he could rein in his regulators, he could make the Bush tax cuts permanent, he could make a serious effort to reform entitlements as a way of cutting the deficit going forward, etc., etc. He won't do any of this, but that doesn't mean that he's "powerless" to do so. What he's "powerless" to do is make false things true... he's "powerless" to make government-run health care, hyper-regulation, higher taxes, and runaway entitlements a successful way to spur a modern economy. He's an awfully Orwellian figure -- our most "black is white" and "war is peace" President ever -- but he can't really make black white, or war peace, and he can't make left-wing economics work.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at August 04, 2011 02:21 PM (qHCyt)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 04, 2011 02:21 PM (4QeK8)
Also bad: his strong, though narrowly-focused, Executive policy which is to say "regulatory." Since he was Legislatively impotent (except for Obamacare which is a highly dubious "win"), his circumvention of the People's voice has not won him favor. And to business it's been a disaster. Unmitigated, nation-breaking disaster.
While the Keynesian spending has been devastating, it's a continuation of the government status quo. IOW something of a shared fault even as he accelerated it. What's his and all his and is the, ahem, elephant in the room and almost never discussed is this administration's heavy hand of regulation. From banks to cars to oil to energy to education to food... you name it - everything spells "Cass Sunstein" and nudge dynamics. These nanny-statists are waging war though circuitously.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 04, 2011 02:22 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 06:21 PM (k1rwm)
Here we go.........wa, wa, wa..
Every hear of working your way through school???
Posted by: mpfs, Weeping, Broke, Tea Party Terrorist at August 04, 2011 02:22 PM (iYbLN)
@62: "Thats the thing about narcicissm. The county could halfway be glowing due to a Iranian nuclear attack with the Dow hovering around 900 and a Mexican invasion imminent and Barry would still run. Because hes the most awsome person ever, THE ONE (tm), a legend (in his own mind) and who is he to deny us himself?
Hey, If I hadn't been president, we'd all be speaking Farsi, the Dow would be at 90, and there'd be a Taco Bell on every corner."
My advisors have failed Me. My generals have failed Me! The German American people have failed Me! I should have followed Stalin and had every one of you traitorous motherfuckers shot!
Posted by: Prezidizzle Obizzle in the First Bunker at August 04, 2011 02:22 PM (xy9wk)
Cut all grants and loans to everything but hard sciences and engineering.
Fuck your Doctorate in Flower Arrangement.
Posted by: sifty t. baggins the Tearorist at August 04, 2011 02:22 PM (ECjvn)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 02:22 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 02:23 PM (k1rwm)
"I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"
-- Howard Beale
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at August 04, 2011 02:23 PM (1rHeD)
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 04, 2011 06:16 PM (eMPxE)
Just wait. They'll use the same spew right before election day that they did in the last one: If Obama isn't elected, there'll be massive race riots in cities all over the nation.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 04, 2011 02:23 PM (0D0gY)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 02:23 PM (QxSug)
I disagree. My mom made one of the best law schools in the country. At he time she didn't qualify for student aid and they told her there were no loans. she didn't go and that is a shame. I don't want to see that happen again to my generation.
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 06:21 PM (k1rwm)
Is she a selfish, cranky old person too? Because she's probably my age, or close.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 02:24 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 04, 2011 02:25 PM (eMPxE)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 06:21 PM (k1rwm)
Your act is tired. Your audience is non-existent. Your delivery is poor. Your timing is awful. Your point is invalid.
Posted by: sifty t. baggins the Tearorist at August 04, 2011 02:25 PM (ECjvn)
Student loans are one of the big three of government subsized boondoggles. THe other two are health care and housing. The latter has crashed, and the other two soon while.
Bed-wetting do-gooders decide that the poor and disadvantaged need something (education, housing, medical care) and start throwing ridiculous amounts of money at it. That bids the price up beyond reason.
And crooks and scam artists always take advantage of the do-gooder's naivete and make a killing off their blind throwing of money at these things.
Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at August 04, 2011 02:25 PM (VVB18)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 02:25 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 06:21 PM (k1rwm)
It's your mom's fault for not being good enough to get the full ride.
Your generation will learn quickly that education isn't a basic human right.
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat can't tell if... at August 04, 2011 02:26 PM (4136b)
Ah yes. Anecdotal evidence. Perfect.
Or, your study has an "n" of 1. Which means that it is invalid.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 04, 2011 02:26 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: sherlock at August 04, 2011 06:14 PM (6rLSO)
Actually, the first candidate who start talking about blowing up the Big Government, Big Bank, Big Corporation model entirely and getting back to Smaller Everything, with More Freedom, will win in a landslide. This isn't about populism, either, it's about WHAT WORKS.
Everyone in America recently has seen what works. What works is blowing up the model. Amazon.com. The iPhone. Google. Things that give poeple CHOICE, and FREEDOM from bureaucratic old models. Things that work FAST and SIMPLY. But our government is still creaking along on a 1950 platform - slow, complicated, never adjusting to new preferences or realities. And Barack Obama is that platform's biggest champion. This is why he should get shellacked next year, IF the Republicans can find a candidate with the vision to express it.
Posted by: rockmom at August 04, 2011 02:26 PM (lSyyU)
From what I can tell just from your posts your "generation" doesn't do shit and doesn't know shit from shinola.
Posted by: mpfs, Weeping, Broke, Tea Party Terrorist at August 04, 2011 02:26 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 06:21 PM (k1rwm)
check it out, there are enough lawyers. Who cares if there's one less.
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 06:23 PM (QxSug)
Not as if mommy dearest is hurting anyways. Marrying someone, popping out something so insanely stupid its breathtaking, and getting to live in some rich upperclass New York neighborhood. Yeah boo-hoo to your mommy.
Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 02:26 PM (oVQFe)
Thing of beauty, that would be.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 02:26 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 04, 2011 02:26 PM (7EV/g)
@106: "Where can they go from here?"
We will join The Obamessiah in preaching RaHoWa against you cracka-ass crackas!
Posted by: The Media at August 04, 2011 02:27 PM (xy9wk)
He is in a weak position. My biggest point of pessimism is about the temptation of class warfare. In some cases the worse things get, the better you do by promising to stick it to the rich, even when that would actually make things worse. Expect that to be a major issue for Obama. And it will be one with major negative consequences for the country if he does win. Hopefully there are still enough producers and would-be producers voting to turn him out.
Posted by: Dave R. at August 04, 2011 02:27 PM (eKLWV)
"A top Democratic strategist who is close to the White House said that Obama’s first-term record “is going to be, on balance, probably a liability” for his reelection, partly “because of the failure to sell and explain the things that they were doing.”
Why aren't the damn dogs eating the dog food? We've got snappy labels, generous coupons, an extensive media blitz, consumer focus group testing out the wazoo, yet the dogs won't eat it. What gives?
Posted by: Top. Men. in the Whitehouse at August 04, 2011 02:27 PM (4q5tP)
Why has the price of higher education skyrocketed?
Don't hurt yourself.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 04, 2011 06:26 PM (7utQ2)
the teacher's union....
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 02:28 PM (k1rwm)
Oh, I agree. Far better would be to make sure everyone can get an advanced degree and go $150k in debt even though there are no jobs for these people. And the only people I can get to work on my roof are illegal aliens.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 04, 2011 02:28 PM (XIXhw)
Despite all the "blocked people" her tech friend blocked on her computer.
Posted by: sifty t. baggins the Tearorist at August 04, 2011 02:28 PM (ECjvn)
Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 02:29 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: mpfs, Weeping, Broke, Tea Party Terrorist at August 04, 2011 02:29 PM (iYbLN)
I tried to explain it to her. I even used small words. She ignored it.
Troll, sock or just profoundly, mind-numbingly stupid?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 04, 2011 02:29 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 02:29 PM (QxSug)
I don't know, but I hope Perry is in.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 02:29 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 02:31 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: mpfs, Weeping, Broke, Tea Party Terrorist at August 04, 2011 02:31 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at August 04, 2011 02:32 PM (YWk21)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 02:32 PM (QxSug)
Yes, keep screaming in my face that I am an inbred, racist, terroristic asshole, and I'll be sure to vote for your guy!
I can't wait for the bumper sticker line: Picture of Obama, with the words: "Vote for Il Douche, or You're a Fucking Racist Asshole!"
Posted by: Sharkman at August 04, 2011 02:32 PM (wMsKw)
"Yes, I would very much like a pony" and now are saying
"WTF? I have to pay for feed and tack? I have to clean out it's stall? WTF? You never told me that. The pony in the picture was really pretty, but this one poops a lot, and is kinda stupid. Please take it away."
Posted by: Less at August 04, 2011 02:34 PM (PGXeZ)
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 04, 2011 02:35 PM (eMPxE)
Posted by: chai at August 04, 2011 02:35 PM (Q5eIV)
In my fantasy, his aides and secret service are peeling his fingers off the doorway of Air Force One.
Think he'll pry all the Os off the keyboards in the WH?
Posted by: Retread at August 04, 2011 02:35 PM (BO5ap)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 04, 2011 02:36 PM (0D0gY)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 06:21 PM (k1rwm)
Sure she did. Was admitted to a top law school and just didn't go. No loans, so no way to figure out a way to pay for it, or find a man to marry, have him work and support her while she attended, and then she could find a sweet job with a great law firm because she is a graduate from a top law school. Uh-huh. She just didn't go. Uncle Sugar wasn't there to help her out and make everything all nice and easy and fair, so she had to do something else with her life.
Listen here. My mom was plenty bright enough to attend college too, but she didn't. Her dad died when she was 13, and she had 4 younger siblings. She didn't fucking cry about what-ifs. She got working, and worked hard. Met a man and married him, and together they have enjoyed a successful life and established an educational trust that goes mainly towards scholarships for women to attend college.
People like you make me fucking suck. Life didn't work out exactly for my family. Boo hoo hoo. You fucking go through paying off large loans just to operate your business during the Carter years and get back to me about fucking college expenses back in the day.
Posted by: Lord Humungus Wasteland Jihadi at August 04, 2011 02:36 PM (Yv6gq)
Barack's popularity continues to fall. George Soros decides he needs a new sockpuppet and switches his support to Hillary. The primary fight is hard and brutal but ultimately money talks and bullshit walks. Her Hillariness is the nominee.
Barack then decides to run on the Hope And Change Party ticket.
The Democrats enter the election season divided, and with all their money spent already. Neither Barack nor Hillary polls more than 20 percent, and the new President Chris Christie appoints Rudy Giuliani as Attorney General with instructions to dig up everything those evil corrupt liberal motherfuckers have been burying since 2008, nail it to their fucking skulls, and leave them dangling from the flagpole for the world to spit at.
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 04, 2011 02:37 PM (tpyRR)
Posted by: shecky at August 04, 2011 02:37 PM (r3K3d)
But...what would happen if everyone could get unlimited loans for things like womyn's studies doctorates and societal facilitator master's degrees? Answer? Look around. Enough.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 04, 2011 02:38 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: curious at August 04, 2011 06:21 PM (k1rwm)
She lied to you. There have always been loans.
Posted by: dagny at August 04, 2011 02:40 PM (5NVOF)
He'd be a fool to go that route. The class-warfare well is dry.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at August 04, 2011 02:41 PM (1rHeD)
Re: Student loans.
As stated above, the cuts only apply to grad students, who will have about 20% of the loan that had the interest being paid by the government while in school (the other 80% was always on the student), no longer being paid by the government. The total amount of money an individual can borrow is not changed, it just means the interest starts accruing a little faster.
Second, without student loans only rich kids could become doctors or lawyers, and only people who work for companies with generous tuition payment plans could become PhDs. I much prefer the half meritocracy, half legacy system we have now compared to an all-legacy system for professionals.
And yes, I have (or had) a vested interest in these loans. I'll be the first to agree that not everyone needs higher education, but money shouldn't be what determines who gets to practice law or medicine.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at August 04, 2011 02:42 PM (SnXrr)
But...what would happen if everyone could get unlimited loans for things like womyn's studies doctorates and societal facilitator master's degrees? Answer? Look around. Enough.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 04, 2011 06:38 PM (7utQ2)
Come on don't blame the stupid little troll. She can't ask her friends the correct answer since they're all liberals. And talk radio isn't talking about higher education right now, so that eliminates all of her critical thinking abilities. So she's just left with her lists of word association for people pretending to be conservative. So she hears education costs and so according to her cheat sheet that means its the fault of Teacher's Unions. Nevermind that she obviously doesn't understand the differences between higher education and K-12.
Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 02:43 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 04, 2011 02:43 PM (Bs3Ne)
You said the same thing before the 2010 elections. How'd that work out for you, you fucking imbecile?
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 04, 2011 02:44 PM (P57Q4)
She lied to you. There have always been loans.
Posted by: dagny at August 04, 2011 06:40 PM (5NVOF)
I doubt her mom lied to her. She's probably making it up on the spot. Like she did with her claims about mommy telling her to just take the mandatory HPV shot.... That they had in New York.
Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 02:44 PM (oVQFe)
Obama is not LBJ, and Michelle is not Lady Bird. The O's live to be worshipped and they need to be America's king & queen for that to happen.
Obama will be the nominee in 2012, and anybody in his own party who opposes him will be labeled the R word.
Posted by: Boots at August 04, 2011 02:44 PM (neKzn)
Here's the scenario that freaks me out. You get student loans if you're one of the left's predetermined under classes. If not, you don't. You really want every doctor being affirmative action??? Every lawyer? Every dentist (shudder)?
I may have to advise my sons to marry non-whites so that their children qualify for the govt student loans.
Posted by: dagny at August 04, 2011 02:45 PM (5NVOF)
Second, without student loans only rich kids could become doctors or lawyers, and only people who work for companies with generous tuition payment plans could become PhDs.
The latter part is not true. Grad students in the hard sciences are paid as teaching and/or research assistants. Not paid well, mind you, but paid.
It's PhD candidates in the bullshit departments who have to pony up.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 04, 2011 02:47 PM (Bs3Ne)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 02:48 PM (QxSug)
I really have a hard time getting worked up about the government, particularly the federal government, reducing the money it pours into student loans.
Posted by: Y-not at August 04, 2011 02:49 PM (5H6zj)
I tell young people today not to go to college. I recommend tech schools or jobs that will teach a viable skill like cabinet making, heavy equipment operator or mechanic. A college degree is becoming passe in the job market.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 04, 2011 02:51 PM (0D0gY)
Posted by: Anabolic State at August 04, 2011 02:51 PM (e1pl5)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 04, 2011 05:47 PM (uVlA4)
Yo. Pretty sure we should own that one.
Posted by: Greece at August 04, 2011 05:49 PM (NCw5u)
Pikers.
Posted by: North Korea at August 04, 2011 02:52 PM (9gvjb)
Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at August 04, 2011 02:54 PM (VVB18)
Oh, you guys wanted your hope and change now?
Posted by: Presidick Wee Wee at August 04, 2011 02:54 PM (I1w2T)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at August 04, 2011 02:55 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Jim at August 04, 2011 02:57 PM (FHnWX)
Posted by: Dan at August 04, 2011 02:59 PM (mXBxH)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at August 04, 2011 03:06 PM (YWk21)
Posted by: logprof at August 04, 2011 03:10 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 03:19 PM (7P7Ij)
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The Democrats enter the election season divided, and with all their money spent already. Neither Barack nor Hillary polls more than 20 percent, and the new President Chris Christie Perry appoints Rudy Giuliani as Attorney General with instructions to dig up everything those evil corrupt liberal motherfuckers have been burying since 2008, nail it to their fucking skulls, and leave them dangling from the flagpole for the world to spit at.
FIFY. And let me add:
The Interior Dept. becomes the Department of Drill, Baby, Drill and is headed by Ms. Palin.
Defense will be headed by Allen West.
Treasury will be run by Thomas Sowell.
HHS is under the management of .
DHS is now run by the ATF agent who was in Mexico City during F&F.
Ag will focus on game management and hunting under Ted Nugent.
State is lead by John Bolton.
DOT will focus on our needs under Carroll Shelby.
Education, Energy, Commerce, Labor and HUD are combined into The Department of Waste under Ron Paul!!!11!
Posted by: Ducatisti at August 04, 2011 03:23 PM (KYE7u)
Looks like I need to go shopping for an AA12 semi-auto shotgun like the one that FPS Russian was demonstrating the other day.
When you absolutely, positively have to take down a group of rampaging people in a short period of time, accept no substitutes.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 04, 2011 03:23 PM (b8JnP)
Posted by: chillin the most at August 04, 2011 03:26 PM (6IV8T)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 03:28 PM (7P7Ij)
See, with Van Jones in charge, how could the Chinese not love us?
Posted by: K~Bob at August 04, 2011 04:12 PM (hsyHs)
Posted by: Typical Obama Voter at August 04, 2011 04:14 PM (+9O6v)
Posted by: The Regular Guy
I like this new guy. Another quality comment.
Posted by: toby928™ at August 04, 2011 04:32 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Lewis Stien at August 04, 2011 04:35 PM (qXGZK)
That's a total pudding dream, I know but it would be awesome
Posted by: Arcade Hero at August 04, 2011 04:38 PM (mmHDH)
Looks like I need to go shopping for an AA12 semi-auto shotgun like the one that FPS Russian was demonstrating the other day.
When you absolutely, positively have to take down a group of rampaging people in a short period of time, accept no substitutes.
You need to go on down to Red Jacket Firearms and have them set you up with a nice Saiga 12. I have one. You should have one too. Nice gun. My Father In Law asked me what the heck I needed one of them for. I told him ending arguments. He conceded the point.
Posted by: Lord Humungus Wasteland Jihadi at August 04, 2011 04:44 PM (Yv6gq)
thanks mr. boehner.
What the fuck business does the federal government have doling out student loans?
Cut them out of the picture and the cost of education will go down. $80-$100 K for a useless sociology degree subsidized by the government?
We need more plumbers, and mechanics fewer sociologists any way.
Posted by: jrg at August 04, 2011 05:44 PM (BkQvr)
A moment of silence as Obama blows by him with little respect.
Posted by: NortonPete at August 04, 2011 05:48 PM (8zxoH)
He's spent his entire career in pursuit of the job he now has. More importantly, I don't think he thinks he can lose. I mean, he never has before.
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Barry has lost before, but you didn't hear about it in 2008 because the MSM was too busy pushing the myth of his so-called brilliance. Barry ran for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives and lost, before he won the U.S. Senate seat in Illinois (that Senate race was the race in which he got the other Dim challengers knocked off the ballot, and then managed to get his Repub. opponent's sealed divorce records made public).
The media's efforts to cast Barry as a genius politician and the most gifted orator since Abe Lincoln wouldn't have been quite so persuasive if the general public knew that Barry had not been able to convince a mainly black Congressional district in Chicago to elect him as their representative, or that he only won his Senate seat using loopholes and trickery to eliminate/disadvantage his opponents.
Posted by: AZC at August 04, 2011 06:09 PM (HFscI)
Posted by: Greg at August 04, 2011 06:18 PM (WJ0tA)
Posted by: Jimmy Choo at August 04, 2011 07:18 PM (ms78E)
Posted by: Comanche Voter at August 04, 2011 08:19 PM (3ESDJ)
Laughing hard at the idea that Obama is doomed when the new CBS poll out today has his approval at 48% and people still blame Bush for the horrific economy and Obama basically gets a free pass from the public.
Who's this "Bush?"
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 04, 2011 08:31 PM (Bs3Ne)
Have to concur with Ace statement that he's been peddling crazy predictions for awhile. One more motivation speech for Romney/RINO and I'll vote for Obama.
But the idea that Obama won't run is laughable. He can't bear the idea that he makes Carter look like a god. That he makes Clinton look like Jesus. That he makes Nixon look like a saint.
Obama may win the Star Wars Bar States like California and NY but he's going to lose deep blue states like Pennsylvania and Michigan. He is toast.
Posted by: Molon Labe at August 05, 2011 08:24 AM (g5MrG)
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No, you didn't say "tomorrow" or "next week." However, you did actually provide a specific time frame: In 2009, he said: ""if I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition."
Don't read anything into that. Obama's promises are utterly meaningless.
Posted by: Cicero at August 04, 2011 01:33 PM (QKKT0)