1

LOOK AT MY CHART!!!!!!!!!

THERE ARE LINES ON IT!!!!!!!!!

2 Atkins is bollocks.  The solution is to get off your fat ass and exercise.  _{Advice I admit I'm not good at taking myself, but there you have it.}

3
Eggs are bad for you!
ten years later: Eggs are an excellent source of protein!

4 What an asshole. In sufficient quantity, WATER is toxic.

5

Plus, methinks we may be perilously close to breaking Ace's blog.

It's acting like Ed Schultz.

6

that vid is an 90 minutes

cliffs?

7 Is there sugar in pudding???

8 I'd rather listen to the song by The Archies for an hour and a half.

9
And here's his long (hour and a half) lecture on sugar.

I'm no academic, but come on, man, sugar warrants a paragraph, at most.

10 Egg yolks are bad for you because they're high in cholesterol. So is bacon. Don't eat them every day and you'll be fine. Diets are bullshit. Exercise will make you: - healthy - a Goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaurus. Like me.

11

Eggs are bad for you!
ten years later: Eggs are an excellent source of protein!

This. I was in my thirties when I started to notice the pattern. Every few years, some pointy-heads come out with some new study showing that this or that is good or bad for you, like coffee.

I'm back to eating what I damned well please.

Eat right, exercise, die anyway.

12 Life is toxic. It'll kill you in the end. All things in moderation, kids.

13

Sadly, even if sugar is toxic, I love it too much to quit it.  I do, however, try to limit my intake.  I avoid the worst stuff, like wonderful donuts, delicious regular pop, etc. 

mmmmm... sugar...

And hey - gotta die of something.  I'd like to see a diet that promises me a massive heart attack or stroke in my early-to-mid 70's.  My Grandad is 90 now, and it ain't looking like a great deal.  I'd rather check out ahead of that. 

14 I thought 'Copper Blue' was their only good album.

15 All things in moderation morons.

16 A documentary all Morons should consider: Fat Head. The Government-Nutrition Complex is almost as bad as the Climate Scientology movement.

17 I've read several posts about this and the most cogent answer is: well, yes, if you eat too much of it. Hell water will kill you if you drink too much.

18 Meh. Too much of pretty much anything is a bad thing. Newsflash: fructose has been with humans since humans began and we've coevolved with it as a foodstuff. IOW, it isn't poison. Well, at least it isn't poison like the farkin' CO₂ those evil plants are spewing out. Dirty bastids.

19

To all the chemist-types here: isn't alcohol a sugar?

20 My answer to any of this kind of talk is a story my brother told me.  He was in the Corps of Cadets at Texas A&M, and one of his buddies was a real food Nazi.  At one point, he saw my brother eating something or other, and they got into it, mildly.  Eventually, the Food Nazi (attempting to show my brother's folly) said something along the lines of "When you're 90 years old and in a wheel chair..."  At which point, my brother interrupted: "I'll tell you how good it tasted."

Well, Sirs, I'll tell you how good it tasted.

Also, it should be mentioned, people have been eating Fructose for about as long as man has been, well, eating, and obesity has only become a general problem relatively recently in history.  I'm not thinking that Fructose is a villain, I'm thinking that people are stupid and eat too much of the wrong things and don't get enough exercise.  But I'm not a doctor, so my opinion probably doesn't count.

21

Please.  From someone who has to constantly watch the diet, it's not fructose, it's not protein or fat.  It's the quantity.  As someone upthread has already mentioned, water can be toxic in high enough amounts.

I'm really fucking tired of all the food nazis we've got living in this country.  I mean really really fucking tired of them.

22 I don't know if I buy the Villain Fructose claim.

I'll buy it if it means they go back to making Coke with real sucrose again.

23
Pour some sugar on me.

24

Nice Post - Sugar Tits.

25 Sugar toxic? To your teeth, perhaps.

26 I was kinda shocked recently, to find out  that when they do dye tests for cancer, that they inject sugar dye into you because cancer feeds on it. I'm not a nanny stater or health freak by a lonnng stretch , but i  was kinda freaked out by that....

27 Did I mention my sugary, buttery, tart cherry pie is delish? Surely those bioflavonoids and anthocyanins or whatever negate the toxic sugar?

28 Yes, fruit is bad for you. You eat fruit and you will die. Statistics show that 99.99999% of all dead people ate fruit at sometime in their life.

Why do people pay so much attention to these cranks? What's next -- WERE THE MAYANS VISITED BY ALIENS?!

29 :shrug:  I did lose weight in the "crash" portion of the South Beach Diet, but it's just too radical a lifestyle change to keep up.  At least for me.  But most of my fat-ass problems are caused by sitting on it.

SORRY FOR OT:  Tomorrow is Earth Day, and I ask all morons not of the Christian faith to look around at all the ads and signs about the environment and Gaia and CO₂, and imagine that instead of low carbon footprints and sustainability someone was shoving Christ in your face, in the most offensive way possible, every two minutes.  (IIW, if things *really were* the way some people *claim* they are.)

I am a middle-aged moron, and I remember when there was lead in gasoline and the trash got burned in the county incinerator (ashes falling in my yard when the wind was wrong).  The air and water are a lot cleaner now, I wish the evangelical enviros would be happy about it and leave my light bulbs alone.

30 Fructose is metabolized differently from glucose, in a way that bypasses insulin regulation. So don't eat much of it if you're diabetic or a lard-ass.

If you're not diabetic or a lard-ass, enjoy your Pepsi and Ding Dongs, unless or until they're making you a lard-ass. Then stop, or you might get diabetes.

31 Interesting, i shall ponder this over a glass of iced tea *pours 1 cup sugar into glass of iced tea*

32 Mexican Coka-Cola has the real sugar in it, right?

33

Screw it, even if it is bad for me, I'm going to eat what I want.  I'm 37; it isn't like I'm going to lose the good years.  In fact, I might start smoking again.  If I lose ten years off my life, that's ten fewer years crapping my Depends.

Grim

34 I thought that the Atkins diet fad had been discredited long ago. Sugar is toxic? Well I guess if you got the EPA to "study" it it would be a carcinogen after they fed 50 pounds of it to a 3 ounce white rat.

This is the same kind of shit that gets stuff like the globull warming scam pushed.

35 Not buying it. We are omnivores, unless you are vegan, just like bears. Bears eat fruits and berries as part of their diet, why would humans, whether you believe in evolution, we have no reason to evolve into food limitations or creation, the garden of Eden was full of fruit. Bears eat fruit, and have no adverse affects, why would we? Though we do have a lot of fruits, especially in CA. Maybe these are the ones he is referring to as toxic.

36
Egg yolks are bad for you because they're high in cholesterol. So is bacon. Don't eat them every day and you'll be fine.




Fuck that noise. I'm going down with a bacon-contented smile on my face.

Eggs bad, bacon bad, chocolate bad, ice cream bad, alcohol bad, beef bad, milk bad, etc. We might live longer by cutting these out of our diet, but why would we want to?

37 BackwardsBoy: "To all the chemist-types here: isn't alcohol a sugar?"

No. Alcohol is an alcohol. But it is derived from the decomposition of sugar and it does have an -OH group.

38
Ack. I got some Nobel on my sock.

39 Sugar + Heavy Cream + Saucepan = Caramel Aint nothing wrong with that.

40 Fuck with my sweet tea and I will bring hell to earth, and I know how.

41
Jeff, diets are the key. Exercise is like masturbation -- mostly for self-enjoyment and fun.

42 Is this the same Doc what told Jenny McCarthy vaccines gave her kid autism?

43

"And hey - gotta die of something.  I'd like to see a diet that promises me a massive heart attack or stroke in my early-to-mid 70's.  My Grandad is 90 now, and it ain't looking like a great deal.  I'd rather check out ahead of that. "

 

My observation is the last 3 years of life suck, like suck out load suck. Better to be felled in mid stroke than wither hoplessly for years watching TeeVee. It wouldn't be so bad if we had NFL Football on year round. Absent that, die hard and fast.

44 Eggs are bad for you!
ten years later: Eggs are an excellent source of protein!

Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8

Preach it egghead.

45 OK.  Let me let you in on a little secret.

No matter what you do, no matter what you eat, no matter how much you exercise...

...you're going to die anyway.

46 WERE THE MAYANS VISITED BY ALIENS?!

Yes.

47 I can't see a post about Atkins without pointing out --
Dr. Atkins killed my father.

He was a huckster. An incompetent pseudo-scientist snake oil salesman that was only interested in selling books and bilking patients. My father had undiagnosed congestive heart failure while a patient under his care. (It was diagnosed when his heart stopped) (Atkins was a cardiologist)

His diet may or may not work for losing weight, but it is certain death for heart patients. His kelation crap was just a way to steal from patients. A provably ineffective treatment for the problems caused by his diet.

48
Bacon is great but all that fat is not conducive with erectile function.

49 Everything in balance, sugar, salt, bacon, salad, blondes, brunettes, redheads. Too much of any one of those things will kill you.

50 Sugar + Butter + vanilla = frosting. You can use frosting for all kinds of fun things.

51

I've had two heart attacks and croaked once already.

I find that Honey Badger fellow intriguing...

52
next study: Cats are causing women to be single.

53 Mexican Coka-Cola has the real sugar in it, right?

Last time I was there it did. Kosher Coke also has real sugar in it.

54 Done heard the kooks who claim sugar is as dangerous as heroin.  I've had my fun laughing at them and now they are getting tiresome.

55 45 OK.  Let me let you in on a little secret.

No matter what you do, no matter what you eat, no matter how much you exercise...

...you're going to die anyway.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 20, 2011 03:57 PM (T0NGe)

The deuce you say!

56 Well, I've never gone full monty on the Atkins thing, but I gotta tell ya, the ONLY time I was able to lose a significant amount of weight was by cutting sugar out of my diet and by MODERATELY reducing carbs (and I love my carbs).  I was never in better shape or health than when I stopped eating cookies, cake and ice cream and really cut back on the bread and pasta.  The minute I let that devil sugar creep back in, my weight went right back up.  I think that there's something to be said for eating fewer processed foods and more "whole foods" if you will.

57 I've been snorting pixie stix for years and i'm just fine

58

Is Sugar Toxic?

 

No, but Sugar, Sugar is!

59
...you're going to die anyway.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 20, 2011 03:57 PM (T0NGe)

Arg! Where's the spoiler warning??

60 Evolution, it's what's for breakfast.

61

Bacon > Eggs.  You can't lube nothin' with an egg.

62 It's those days when I abstain from masturbation that are really killing me.

63

And hey - gotta die of something.  I'd like to see a diet that promises me a massive heart attack or stroke in my early-to-mid 70's.  My Grandad is 90 now, and it ain't looking like a great deal.  I'd rather check out ahead of that. 

Posted by: Reactionary at April 20, 2011 03:49 PM (xUM1Q)

 

That's what I used to think, until I started approaching that age.  Trust me.  Your perspective will change. 

64 My observation is the last 3 years of life suck, like suck out load suck. Better to be felled in mid stroke than wither hoplessly for years watching TeeVee. It wouldn't be so bad if we had NFL Football on year round. Absent that, die hard and fast.

Where does doing the nasty with 5 lithesome cheerleaders fit in to your die quick scheme?

65

Bacon is great but all that fat is not conducive with erectile function.

You aren't telling me anything I didn't know already.

66

Listen up morons.  I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night and I can tell you this...eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you shall die.  Words to live by.

Enjoy your life, quit worrying about every goddamn thing.  Geez, isn't Ofuckstick enough torture for a lifetime?

 

67 Spoken like a man who knows, Soothsayer. I find my wife participates in sex more vigorously when her lungs are not crushed flat by the giant gut flap pinning her to the mattress. On the other hand, I hear gut-fold sweat makes an excellent lubricant, in a pinch. Maybe it's a trade-off.

68 Any excuse to post this clip.

Hey, it's vaguely sugar-related. Fake sugar, sure. Still. Be sure to watch to the end for Elliott's awesome scream, and everyone's reaction.

69

OT

I'm somewhat torn, I guess this is cool, but the inability to climb, take off on his own power, or do any power manuevers makes this look like a partially powered ultralite. So the coolness is more like mehness for me.

70 I suggest the hate-to-be-ignorant morons read Taubes' ideas and check out Dr. Eades' blog.

The rest finish your Doritos and Dr. Pepper and get to work. These used comics and VHS tapes won't sort themselves.

71 Songs with Sugar in the title, I'll start, Lips like sugar, Echo and the bunnymen

72
I like my tea like half sweet and half unsweet.

73
Which brings up the old vegetable joke:

Vegetables are not food
Vegetables are what food eats
Fish are fast vegetables
Fruit are vegetables that fool you by tasting good
Mushrooms are what grows on food after it dies

74 Life is a seed in your last bowl.

75

OT, but why do liberals find it permissable to savage a young child with Down Syndrome?  

Leading Leftie Blog (Wonkette) Mocks Sarah PalinÂ’s Handicapped Baby on His Birthday (link is to Gateway Pundit)

I mean, yes, okay, I get that the left has no shame, class, or sense of decorum, but seriously?  SERIOUSLY?

Forget sugar being toxic.  You want real toxicity, I give you THE LEFT WING.

76

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 20, 2011 03:55 PM (Ilc9V)

Many thanks for the info. I was always more of a physics guy than a chemistry guy.

77 Bacon > Eggs.  You can't lube nothin' with an egg.

Word

78

...you're going to die anyway.

Isn't that what that preacher dude kept saying in Poltergeist 2?

79 I would encourage you to read Taubes "Why we get fat and what to do about it."

Two years ago I weighed 250 pounds and got the speech from my doctor about how I was pre-diabetic.  I went on an Atkins diet.  I now weigh 162 pounds and my insulin resistance is 100% gone.  Period.  I have been at a stable low weight for more than a year and a half.

Atkins most definitely is NOT bollocks.  Reducing carbs in your diet works!.  And my blood chemistry is in great shape as well.

I am not suggesting Taubes is definitely 100% right about everything, but what he has to say is something you definitely ought to consider if you are looking at losing weight.

By the way, I live to eat, so I still eat just about everything.  I just have to limit certain things to more special occaisions.

80 The key to health is moderation regardless of what you eat. Eat some sugar, mainly with desert after a meal. Eat some eggs. Get some exercise, at least 30 min 5 days a week.

Its when you do the opposite of all that that you get into trouble. I know. I smoked 3 packs of cigs a day. Drank beer out the kazoo every Friday. Ate like a horse and after I retired got little exercise and gained 10 pounds.

Wasn't long after I retired that I had a heart attack.

81 Any Kind of Lube will do.

82

Wow, alot of judgement from many who haven't watched or read.

These guys are decidedly NOT food nazis. Yes, people have a right to eat poorly, but they should have all the information when doing so.

And morons, please, exercise is a terrible way to lose weight. One mile of running is roughly equal calorically to a slice of bread. You won't make it that way, guaranteed.

But you'd know that if you watch the video and read Taubes' material. 

83

Oh yeah something else to worry about, third hand smoke.  Can you fucking believe it????

http://tinyurl.com/ljr5mt

84

Where does doing the nasty with 5 lithesome cheerleaders fit in to your die quick scheme?

 

I did say better go out mid stroke than wither. What about mid-stroke confused you? 

85 Stress fucks people up a lot worse than any of this shit. Let's regulate it.

86

Calm down guys.  I've looked into the matter and it's really not at all hard to figure out:  Most people eat too much sugar and too many carbs.  Most people eat too many calories.  Most people are therefore overweight/downright fat.

Though going totally no-carb/no-sugar isn't really sustainable, sometimes the "crash" aspect of such a diet can help a person realize how much damn sugar they were really eating everyday (this was my case).  Once you start eating the carbs and sugar again, you realize you really don't need to have some kind of sweet with every. single. meal.

Then when you start to pay even a little attention to total calories, you begin to realize that you've been eating enough for a 6' 5" 20 year old professional athlete, and maybe if you scaled the quantity back a wee bit, you can maintain a healthy weight.

Finally, you begin to realize all the "But we're all gonna die anyway" arguments are also crap, because most people when they finally lose weight don't say "Great!  Now I can live another 10 years!" but rather they say "Great!  Now I feel normal again, and I look good for once in the last 15 years!"

This isn't rocket science, everyone knows, or can find out, what to do to look and feel like they're 18 again.

87
You guys call it gluttony.

Charlie Sheen calls it winning!

88 The Atkins diet works but it's still a diet. After 2 weeks you will kill for a saltine.

89 I did say better go out mid stroke than wither. What about mid-stroke confused you?

Ah.  So you come and go at the same time.

Gotcha.

90 When I was a kid, everyone just counted calories to lose weight.  With the 1,000's of special miracle diets since, I'm convinced we will simply return to counting calories again before its all over.  There's nothing special about fructose, carbs, saturated fats or anything else.  Calories in, calories out (exercise) is all you need to know.  The rest is a money-making scheme.

91 19

To all the chemist-types here: isn't alcohol a sugar?

No, although there are sugar alcohols, which are basically sugars with an OH attached to them

(The OH functional group is what makes an alcohol an alcohol). 

92 Taubes' "Good Calories, Bad Calories" is a fantastic read, though it gets deep into fancy-pants doctor speak at times. You can also watch "Fat Head" on Netflix for free, which relies heavily on Taubes' and Lustig's work. In fact, I think a lot of you here would really enjoy it. No, really! Full disclosure: I'm a bit of a Taubes fanboy. I was a doughy vegetarian for 13 years, but since I swore off sugar and bread I've dedicated my life to consuming tasty animal flesh and lifting heavy shit like a goddamned man. Feelin' damn good.

93 To dismiss Taubes as an "in the bag Atkins guy" is not particularly useful.  Taubes is a science journalist with degrees in physics and engineering, who has spent the last ten years actually examining all of the scientific evidence on the subject of nutrition and obesity.  His 2007 book Good Calories, Bad Calories is a fascinating and compelling work, and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

And it's just not debatable that millions of us can't and don't process carbohydrates well, and the evidence is overwhelming that the government food pyramid is a extremely harmful for many of us.

94
Bacon is great but all that fat is not conducive with erectile function.



Well, my personality inevitably leads me into celibacy so Mr. Winky is kind of on funemployment.

95 blame your obesity on a villain. whatever gets your fat ass through the day. or eat a little less and move around a little more.

96 Speaking of toxicity (apologies, as this probably already has been posted), its the dose that makes the poison - everything is toxic at the right dose.

97 Yes, even though I exercise every day, the evidence seems to be that exercise absolutely DOES NOT work for long term weight loss.  This seems to be primarily because it makes people eat more.  I exercise because I like it.  I don't actually know whether it contributed to my personal weight loss.  It likely did, but I seem to be pretty good at avoiding increasing my food intake when I choose to focus on it...

98
Today on The View Ace: Is Sugar Toxic?

99 4 What an asshole.

In sufficient quantity, WATER is toxic.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 20, 2011 03:45 PM (Y0wFY)

Yup.  Wee for Wii radio stunt that killed a woman because she kept drinking water.

100 I love all the comments from people who clearly didn't watch the video.

Here's the Executive Summary:

- People eat way more fructose than they used to, because it's in damn near everything, and that leads directly to our national health issues.

- Fructose is metabolized only by the liver, just like ethanol (with similar results, hence the "toxin" comment). A vastly higher percentage of fructose is converted to fat than glucose (which is metabolized everywhere).

- There is no real difference metabolically between sucrose and HFCS. So "real sugar" is just as bad for you.

- If you're going to eat fructose, eat it in whole fruit because the fiber mitigates some of the negative effects of the fructose. Plus, vitamins and whatnot.

- You should exercise, as you'll be healthier and a faster metabolism helps mitigate the problem.

That's it. He doesn't say we should ban anything or whatever. He's just saying that you and your kids are fat and have the diabeetus because you eat and drink too much sugar. Why this is offensive I have no idea.

101 I'm convinced we will simply return to counting calories again before its all over.

That's basically Weight Watchers--with the points and all.

102 Read the story of Dr. Tarnower's special diet and you'll know what quackery is all about.

103 Ace, wow I actually watched this video last night. I think he's on to something. I thought the video was totally worth watching.

104 99 Tomarrow on Ace, are fat girls attractive?

105 One mile of running is roughly equal calorically to a slice of bread.

According to a University of Syracuse study jogging 1 mile burns 124 calories. A slice of bread is 67 calories.

But the purpose of exercise is not so much to lose weight, although it does help with that. It is to keep your heart healthy.

106

Personally, I'd prefer to die at the sexual mercy of whichever set of twins were in Playboy the last time.

They'd never get the casket lid shut all the way. Or get the smile off my face.

107

I've done a diet for candida before which is pretty much a gluten free diet, no sugars at all or even starches that break down into sugar.

I'm not a large guy and didn't have much excess weight to lose at the time, but the pounds just flew off.

 

108
We're not poo pooing the good doctor for his position on sugar.

We're poo pooing the fact that people make a big deal about diets when it really just comes down to common sense.

109 I'm going to play it safe and eat sugar-encrusted steak.

110 #95:  Taubes documents how some people continue to get fat even when they are on starvation diets.  Some bodies seem to be very good at taking the available calories and storing them as fat and not giving them up even when the energy needs are there.  Taubes seems to assert that lots of fat people do not get fat because they are hungry and lazy but that they are hungry and lazy because their bodies are too good at storing fat.

Much as I want to judge fat people as weak, because it makes me look good, I think I believe him that there are some bodies that just have to work much much harder to remain lean, and that they absolutely cannot do so by moving more and eating less.  They have to eat less of the stuff that keeps their insulin levels elevated so their fat retention regulation is constantly storing fat and never has the opportunity to release it....

111 are fat girls ARE attractive?!!

Fixed!!

112

Yup.  Wee for Wii radio stunt that killed a woman because she kept drinking water.

 

She must have gotten hyponatremic.

113 Why do you hate Big Cola, Ace?

Drink baby drink!

114 it boomba boom cheezwhiz fatasses.

115

It was the sugar that made me accidently shoot my brother. Three times. In the chest.

 

116 Doug #110, the percentage of fat people who actually have metabolism disorders is very very VERY low.  Most people who are fat just eat too much.

117 - a Goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaurus. Like me.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 20, 2011 03:49 PM (Y0wFY)

Yeah, but who wants to get humped by a dinosaur?

118
cheezwhiz, schmeezwhiz. Someone needs to invent baconwhiz.....instant bacon in a spray can.

119 Tomorrow on Ace:  To Wax or Not To Wax, A Man's Dilemma in 2011.

120 117, I know I know, Another dinosaur.

121 "Why this is offensive I have no idea." seriously. for people supposedly skeptical of government data and promises, sure seems like we have a lot of (literal) kool aid drinking on this site.

122 Yeah, sugar is toxic. That's why all the Amish die in their early thirties.

123 I had no idea that your body could differentiate between types of carbs. I thought a carb is a carb.

124 Personally I think whether or not you run to obesity is dependent on heredity and age more than anything.

All you youngsters will find that after you cross 30 the weight goes on a lot easier and comes off a lot harder because your metabolism changes. It gets worse the older you get. When you cross 50 it becomes a losing cause unless you diet and exercise literally all the time.

125
this might be a good thread to say the replacement weather-babes on Fox have been giving me eye-boners.

126 I love all the comments from people who clearly didn't watch the video.



Ace didn't really expect us to watch this.  He just pretends like he did

Ignorance is truly bliss, in this case.

127

One mile of running is roughly equal calorically to a slice of bread.

According to a University of Syracuse study jogging 1 mile burns 124 calories. A slice of bread is 67 calories.

But the purpose of exercise is not so much to lose weight, although it does help with that. It is to keep your heart healthy.

 

I don't know anyone that just runs 1 mile (unless it's a track meet). 

And yeah, running/exercise isn't just good for your heart, it's good for your mind and soul as well.  You get the old endorphin release, and it's all good.  Plus, it's a great stress reliever, a great social activity, and it's just a lot of fun.  The hardest part is getting started.

128 Not too many fatasses on chain gangs or on the front lines. Do what they do (work your ass off) and you'll lose weight. The body doesn't have a choice.

It's a simple machine.

129 Tomorrow on Ace: The Guys Dish on teh Royal Wedding.

130 The only caveat I have for the Adkins diet is; have you seen the price of meat and eggs lately?  Macaroni and cheese may be all we can afford down the road.

131 117 - a Goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaurus. Like me.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 20, 2011 03:49 PM (Y0wFY)

Yeah, but who wants to get humped by a dinosaur?

Posted by: tcn

Yeah, did you every see how little their arms are?  Fucking goofy looking.

132 #116 Being fat IS a metabolism disorder, genius.

133 You people need to stop eating fat, sugar and salt.  Now fuck off and pass me the ribs, pork rinds, french fries and the bucket of ice cream.

134 instant bacon in a spray can.

I thought there was such a thing.  To the Internet!!

135 Wait.  Sugar is bad for you?  Seriously!?

Great.  Now you tell me.

136 "97 Yes, even though I exercise every day, the evidence seems to be that exercise absolutely DOES NOT work for long term weight loss.  This seems to be primarily because it makes people eat more.  I exercise because I like it.  I don't actually know whether it contributed to my personal weight loss.  It likely did, but I seem to be pretty good at avoiding increasing my food intake when I choose to focus on it..."   Are you talking about weight loss or fat loss? Exercise builds muscle, which weighs more than fat. When you boil a chiken, the fat floats the chicken stays submerged.

137 Tomorrow on Ace: Do These Buttless Chaps Make Me Look Fat?

138
I belong to Planet Fitness, which I call Planet Fatness because I'm clever.

Anyway, everyday I see a bunch of really fat women on the treadmills and elipticals and they never make any improvements. Why?

Because after spending two hours at the gym and burning 200 calories and sweating 3lbs of water from their ass-cracks, they never make any improvements because after they go to Dunkin Donuts and eat a 600 calorie donut and a Diet Coke.

139 Tomorrow on Ace:  What Axe Body Spray Attracts the Most Babes?

140

AoSHQ style section:

Bacon caused erections - Fact or fiction.

141 And morons, please, exercise is a terrible way to lose weight. One mile of running is roughly equal calorically to a slice of bread. You won't make it that way, guaranteed. You make Ed Schultz sound like a fucking super genius. That was full of stupid.

142 They don't even need to go to Dunkin Donuts. a bottle of Gatorade does just as much damage. (Lustig addresses this specifically in the lecture, should you choose to watch it)

143 Tomorrow on Ace:  Getting the Most Out of Your ManSpa Day!

144 I don't know anyone that just runs 1 mile (unless it's a track meet).

Yeah,there is that too. I do two miles every morning that weather permits but I do it at a fast walk (Dr. Detroit). Sports doctors recommend that once you cross 40 that you switch to fast walking because it is too hard on your joints and ankles.

145 No sugar in my house since I was a kid. My father was a health food guy way before it was fashionable. Don't miss it. Thanks, Dad. 

146

"Yeah, did you every see how little their arms are?  Fucking goofy looking."

 

Yeah, no shit, and nasty feet the size of a Rambler. They remind me of Janet Reno.

147 Bacon Crackers and cheese whiz, washed down by your favorite combination of barley, rice, hopps and cool spring water.

148 People eat way more fructose than they used to, because it's in damn near everything, and that leads directly to our national health issues.

What national health issues?  The fact that life expectancy is higher now than when people were 'fit' fifty years ago?

I buy that sugar and everything else is bad for you, but is this really a problem?

149 WERE THE MAYANS VISITED BY ALIENS?!

Yes.

Posted by: booger knows this to be true at April 20, 2011 03:57 PM (9RFH1)

Oh crap. My son is 100% Mayan Indian. I'm living with a little alien.

150

I don't know anyone that just runs 1 mile (unless it's a track meet).

Guess what? Now you do.
Every Saturday I run 1 mile at 7:30 or less.

151 Charles Bronson is ashamed of us all.

He's looking down at us from his throne of bones and shaking his head while he pets his armored Honey Badger.

152 Check out Fat Head on Hulu or Netflix streaming.  The USDA Food Pyramid has killed more people than Rachel Carson.

153 YES!!

Exercise builds muscle, which weighs more than fat.

Stop it.  A pound of muscle weighs exactly the same as a pound of fat.  The fat takes up more volume, though.

154 116:  So you claim.  Taubes claims otherwise.  People are free to look at the evidence and decide what they believe.  Yes, people are fat because they eat too much, but the question is, WHY do they eat too much?  Taubes presents an answer which you are free to examine or not and free to agree with or not.  I happen to think he is probably right.

155 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 20, 2011 03:56 PM (Y0wFY)

Sprinkle some sea salt on the caramel just before it is completely cool. The contrasts of the salt, the fat, and the sweet is marvelous.

In fact, dip the caramels in dark chocolate, and then sprinkle the sea salt on them; that's even better.

156

"Because after spending two hours at the gym and burning 200 calories and sweating 3lbs of water from their ass-cracks, they never make any improvements because after they go to Dunkin Donuts and eat a 600 calorie donut and a Diet Coke."

 

A Diet Coke can fix anything. It's like the duct tape of diet.

157 Tomorrow on Ace:  Bridal Fashions or Does This Ginormous Dress Make My Ass Look Fat.

158  Life is a seed in your last bowl.

Posted by: Aqua Buddha at April 20, 2011 04:04 PM (0oUd+)

Dude I HATE it when that happens! It fucking pops and shoots out and lands on my hoodie and burns a hole through it and I'm all like WHOA! did you see that seed fucking pop? It was like a little evil Viet Cong in my bowl that's launching mortars at me and trying to kill me!

159 It's all because Moochelle said so.

160
Tomorrow on Ace:  Grooming Your Ewok -- Do's & Don'ts

161 Everyone knows a pound of bricks weighs a ton more than a pound of feathers!  Stupid reich-wingnut!

162
Do you have a problem with thunder thighs or chunkiness? Join me and the other fags in Sweatin' to the Oldies.

163

A Diet Coke can fix anything. It's like the duct tape of diet.

When I worked at BK during my tumultuous teenage years, I never failed to gleam amusement from the people who ordered a large double whopper with cheese meal with a Diet Coke, heh. 

164 Sugar is good food. Read the labels. Vegetables will not sustain life.

165 Gabriel Iglesias joke:  "Hey Gabriel, Why do you drink diest soda?" "So I can eat regular cake"

166 Bacon caused erections - Fact or fiction.

I volunteer for that experiment.  Get one pound of bacon, crisp.  Add 5 lithesome cheerleaders...

167

Guess what? Now you do.
Every Saturday I run 1 mile at 7:30 or less.

 

Well, you are the first then.  Do you warm up?  Do you cool down?  And you would be burning more calories than a slice of bread; body weight and intensity figure into that calculation too. 

168 Posted by: Gabriel Syme at April 20, 2011 04:06 PM (g84Si)

Preach it brother!

169
Gatorade is awful stuff. So is Vitamin Water.

All fruit juice is crap. Even a glass of fresh squeezed OJ is loaded with sugar (carbs). Just eat a friggin orange or two.

170 Tomarrow on Ace, Ciggerettes, deadly habit or supermodel supper.

171
Tomorrow on Ace:  Grooming Your Ewok -- Do's & Don'ts






Brain bleach needed. The first thing I thought of was "landing strip".

172 Tomorrow on Ace:  How To Handle Life's "Stickiest" Situations.

173 I've been told by a few conservative doctors that fasting is very good for you but not as a way to lose weight and I've been convinced by the GF to do it with her once a month starting off at only one day of fasting to eventually increase to two days at a time. At least I'll save on the food bill.

174 Tomorrow on Ace:  Manscaping for Mother's Day!

175 Shut up and eat your fuckin grapes.

176 Taubes also posted his blood chemistry results on his website.  Not too shabby.

http://tinyurl.com/44bmfj7

177

178

And yeah, running/exercise isn't just good for your heart, it's good for your mind and soul as well.  You get the old endorphin release, and it's all good.  Plus, it's a great stress reliever, a great social activity, and it's just a lot of fun.  The hardest part is getting started.

Right, but it is not a good way to lose weight. For most, it is simply impossible to exercise off excess calories. Consumption increases to match exenditure. Not for all, but for most. Weight loss is 80%+ diet-related.

179

"Stop it.  A pound of muscle weighs exactly the same as a pound of fat.  The fat takes up more volume, though."

 

Yes, but fat will float, muscle not so much. This is fact you may wish to consider in your Tsunami survival plans.

180 Dad's Diet Plan:

Dad: "Grab that pick and shovel. In one week I want one acre of that alfalfa field broken up and double dug and then raked smooth."

Me: "But Dad, this field is a mile from the house."

Dad: "Yep. And then you get to make the rows and dig a ditch around it. Now qit your bitchin' about your weight or get to work"

181

They've done just about everything with bacon.

Now they just need to weaponize it. _{(We are currently in a war, btw...)}

182 Tomorrow on Ace:  Ace and Rachel Ray Throw a Party!!!!

183 High fructose corn syrup (American Coke and most other soft drinks) is far more difficult for your body to metabolize and gets stored as fat even with exercise.
Sugar can be accessed for energy far more easily with proper exercise.

Eliminate processed foods and soft drinks as they have HFCS (because it's cheaper than sugar) and when you start looking at ingredients as I had to because of a health problem, you'll find HFCS is in everything due to cost.
That is what needs to be avoided, sugar not so much.

And yes Mexican Coke has beet sugar and the illegals will go the extra mile to get it.   

184

Doug #154, the reason people eat a lot is because it makes them feel good to eat (evolution is hard to beat).  The reason there are more fat people than ever before is because food is cheaper than ever relative to the average american income.  Historically, only the rich could afford enough food to get fat, which is why it has always been synonomous with being rich.  By almost any historical or global standard, even the poor in america is rich, relatively speaking. 

It's as simple as this: Cheap food = fat people. 

185 Think of fruit as junk food. Might as well eat Twinkies.

186 I've been told by a few conservative doctors that fasting is very good for you

Why, so my ulcer can start digesting my stomach again?  No thank you.

Must have something in stomach at all times.

187 Yes, but fat will float, muscle not so much. This is fact you may wish to consider in your Tsunami survival plans.

So in case of a plane crash into water or a Tsunami, Moochelle's ass can be used as a flotation device? 

188 Stop it.  A pound of muscle weighs exactly the same as a pound of fat.  The fat takes up more volume, though.

Posted by: CUS at April 20, 2011 04:22 PM (wOGfT)

It's called density.  Fat is less dense than muscle, so if you build muscle, while burning fat, there's a chance you won't lose any weight while shedding fat inches. 

I'm just sayin....

189 The sugar is treated by your body like alcohol. Minus the buzz, but your liver enjoys getting fatty. Instead of a beer belly, you get a soda belly.

Over 3/4 of you in your Moms' basements have dicky do's. That's your fat belly sticks out more than your tiny prick does. It's not fun having metabolic syndrome. Can lead to diabetes. Plus rather sucks not being able to see your pudding dipper. You probably pee all over the toilet cause it's too hard to see where you are aiming with that big gut of visceral fat obstructing the view. Plus sex has to suck, I bet you get out of breath whacking the bishop. That is sad. Or if married and living in your in-law's basement, you probably always have sex with her on top doing all the work. Is nice, but guys come on. She deserves better.

Let's not beat each other up. Long as you are conservative, I'd like to see you change your life around. If you are a lib, well keep shoving that sugar down your pie hole.

190 Our bodies are genetically engineered, by years of natural selection - not monsanto, for hard labor. Sitting on our asses , reading some crazy, right wing hate blog isn't going to change that. Isn't their another study out their that links sitting to heart attacks?

191

Stop it.  A pound of muscle weighs exactly the same as a pound of fat.  The fat takes up more volume, though.

 

True dat.  I always wish people could come to surgery and see the difference.  Fat is nasty, slimey, yellow blobs of grease.  When we used to fillet the entire leg open to harvest leg vein for bypass surgery, gobs of fat used to fall out of the heavier people's thighs.  We had to wipe them off the floor with alcohol so that people wouldn't slip and fall.  Now we're doing endoscopic vein harvesting, that's not such a problem any more.  It was a real safety issue back in the day. 

192 Put the Coke back in Coke.

193 Posted by: Vic at April 20, 2011 04:12 PM (M9Ie6)

Don't bother with actual facts; he's a concern troll.

194

What's an ewok landing strip?

Is that like Airstrip One?

195 You make Ed Schultz sound like a fucking super genius. That was full of stupid.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 20, 2011 04:20 PM (FI38b)

 

I know that it may be outside the paradigm of most people, but yes, exercise is not that proficient at losing fat.  It's all about caloric intake and how many calories a person burns during a normal day.  Contrary to popular belief, exercise, as people understand it today, really doesn't burn that many calories. 

196
Do you warm up?  Do you cool down?  And you would be burning more calories than a slice of bread; body weight and intensity figure into that calculation too. 

Yes and yes, but just briefly. I'm not in the gym to lose weight. I do just a little cardio on Wednesdays and Saturdays. Other days I'm training with weights.

197

Christina Hendricks will never drown.  For this I am thankful.

198 Read Taubes, learn about Ancel Keys, compare the wisdom of the US Dept of Ag versus 500 million years of animal kingdom evolution. Bacon shall set you free.

199 Tomorrow on Ace: Bra and Swimsuit Intervention Summer Special!!!!

200

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 20, 2011 04:27 PM (qIHlG)

Wow. That was intense. I've never seen so much meaning in so much nothingness. It's like when I read what you didn't say, my third eye opened to the universe.

201 Posted by: Gabriel Syme at April 20, 2011 04:27 PM (g84Si)

Care to back up any of your blather with actual facts; rather than the made-up ones that you seem to prefer?

202 <i>We're poo pooing the fact that people make a big deal about diets when it really just comes down to common sense.</i>

Spoken by another lean person whose never had a weight issue and doesn't understand the subject.

Virtually every fat person you've ever seen has done the whole "eat less, eat in moderation, exercise" bit with limited, or no, success.  Some people's metabolism can not sustain a low-fat diet such as the government and diet experts recommend.  I can't go a month on a low-fat diet of fewer than 2500 calories a day, because I'm starving the whole time. My blood sugar goes through the roof, my insulin goes way up, my fat stores all of the energy, and I haven't got any left for living.  But on a virtual-no-carb diet, I'm quite comfortable on 1700-1800, and the weight just falls off. 

Yeah, it sounds simple to say "eat less, exercise more" but for most people, there's more to it - a lot more to it - than that.

203 Don't listen to runningrn. She's a giant fatass. Probably from all the exercise. Here's the best health tip you'll get: You can gain a full optical inch by shaving off your man-bush.

204 185:  Again,  Taubes' claims differ from yours.  I encourage people to examine his claims.

205

Bacon shall set you free.

Testify!

206
Any pro and amatueur bodybuilder will tell you, (and these people are the experts), that diet is 75% of their regimen. The rest is weight-resistance training and cardio.

207 Tomorrow on Ace: When do some exercise regimes cross the line?

208 Yes, but fat will float, muscle not so much. This is fact you may wish to consider in your Tsunami survival plans.

I thought CUS just said that.

209 Just placed Taubes "Why We Get Fat and What to Do About It" on hold at the library. Only book by him in the catalog. I will post my review in the Sunday book thread when I'm done. Lol. .

210 We have cheap food and most have little work in their work.

211
Tomorrow on Ace: Pudding Recipes with Kathie Lee

212 For cardio I go over to the LA zoo and chase the tigers around.

213 Over 3/4 of you in your Moms' basements have dicky do's. That's your fat belly sticks out more than your tiny prick does. It's not fun having metabolic syndrome. Can lead to diabetes. Plus rather sucks not being able to see your pudding dipper. You probably pee all over the toilet cause it's too hard to see where you are aiming with that big gut of visceral fat obstructing the view. Plus sex has to suck, I bet you get out of breath whacking the bishop. That is sad.


It's like you're looking into my soul.

214 184 And yes Mexican Coke has beet sugar and the illegals will go the extra mile to get it.   
Posted by: ontherocks at April 20, 2011 04:28 PM (HBqDo)     Mexican Coke is amazing.  It kicks regular coke's ass.  Seriously.

215 Yeah,there is that too. I do two miles every morning that weather permits but I do it at a fast walk (Dr. Detroit). Sports doctors recommend that once you cross 40 that you switch to fast walking because it is too hard on your joints and ankles.

Posted by: Vic at April 20, 2011 04:20 PM (M9Ie6)

Tell that to my dad. He took up mountain running when he was 68 because he was tired of having to get a physical every year to keep his pilot's license. He's 81 now, has his own age group so he wins everything. He lost about 30 lbs, got very buff for an old guy. He went in for his stress test and the doc finally gave up. He just kept on going. We figure he won't die of anything specific, just one day on the trail he will sort of implode and that will be the end. Probably sometime in his 90's.

216

You can gain a full optical inch by shaving off your man-bush.

 

So that makes you four inches Jeff?

217 213 Will you puree kathie lee or chop her up in chunks?

218

I'm not one of the food Nazis and don't give a damn what people eat.

I do like to look into people's shopping carts though when grocery shopping. You can pretty much guess just by looking at people what's going to be in their cart.

I'm pretty happy with fruits, vegetables, rice, fish and nuts. Occasionally chicken, hamburgers, steaks and pizza.

When I busted my elbow in South Korea, I was in the hospital for 17 straight days. Every meal was a bowl of white rice, a bowl of soup, and four little side dishes (one always Kim Chi). I LOVED THAT!! I still miss the hospital food.

219 Tomorrow on AoStyle:  Broad Brush or Slip & Slide - How to bring out the Cougar in You.

220 Tomorrow on Ace:  Which Manshaper Undergear Is Best For Your Package?

221 Posted by: Vic at April 20, 2011 04:20 PM (M9Ie6)

There is some interesting research into walking as exercise that shows that varying the pace is extremely effective in increasing fitness and calorie use. The study I read broke it down into slow (1-1.5 mph) medium (2-3 mph) and fast (3-4 mph). Those are manageable speeds, even for someone as ancient as you (I kid).

We used to call that interval training or fartleks. Nothing has changed.

222

#204 Lyford, the main reason you can be comfortable on a 18K no carb diet is protein takes longer to digest than carbs.  If you try to make it on 25K heavy carb diet, not only will your stomach be empty a lot sooner, but your blood sugar will spike then crash, making your body crave more food/carbs, and sooner or later you binge (again on high carbs) and that's that for the diet.

Cars also increase seritonin for a while, which is why they are good comfot food.  When you're hooked on that feeling, you crave them more.

Like I said, this aint' rocket science, anyone, ANYONE, can learn it and lose weight.

223 Well, so much for cheap food.

224 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 20, 2011 04:28 PM (9hSKh)

For Guam.

225 208:

Don't forget the steroids and bull semen.

Bodybuilders. Let me shoot this shit I bought online in Burma into my delts and then when I'm finished I'll lecture you about making good choices at Whole Foods.

226

What about manscaping? Who is doing it?

227

We used to call that interval training or fartleks.

Huh huh huh, you said "fartleks."

228 "163  A Diet Coke can fix anything. It's like the duct tape of diet.

When I worked at BK during my tumultuous teenage years, I never failed to gleam amusement from the people who ordered a large double whopper with cheese meal with a Diet Coke, heh. "

 

As I said Diet Coke can fix anything. Tastes like shit, but it can fix anything.

229 Tomorrow on Ace: tips to make your woman go mad. With special guest, Dr. Amy Bishop.

230 If your head fell off, you might lose 8 pounds (from fox):

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano's outgoing communications chief is known for his combative style. But in a confrontation that was undisclosed until now, he once threatened to "f---ing decapitate" the staff at the immigration office press shop. 

231 Eat Soylent Green, no sugar and remember:  You are what you eat!

232 Tomorrow on Ace: Lymphedema - cumbersome impediment or bitchin' conversation starter?

233

As I said Diet Coke can fix anything. Tastes like shit, but it can fix anything.

Posted by: Ginormous at April 20, 2011 04:36 PM (Q5+Og)

It's an excellent cleaning agent for corroded car battery terminals.

234 Won't the vegetarians taste better after the Apocalypse?

235 Tomorrow on Ace:  Which Manshaper Undergear Is Best For Your Package?

Posted by: Count de Monet

 

The day after tomorrow on Ace: What to do when your 'package' is damaged during shipping (and handling)

236

"When I busted my elbow in South Korea, I was in the hospital for 17 straight days. Every meal was a bowl of white rice, a bowl of soup, and four little side dishes (one always Kim Chi). I LOVED THAT!! I still miss the hospital food."

 

You are seriously twisted.

237 I don't see why our great leader doesn't just outlaw all the foods we currently eat and have Purina create some kind of People Chow. Dogs routinely live into the triple digits (modified for species) on their stuff.

238 204:  Absolutely!, and that thing I like about Taubes' work is that it explains WHY your experience is as it is.   I really find it hilarious when someone assures me that the method I used to lose and maintain the loss of almost 100 pounds just doesn't work.

Taubes is likely wrong about a number of things, but the one thing he is right about is that the diet industry is bullshit.  It isn't your friend.  Start learning why people REALLY get fat and get back to enjoying real food.  I am also reading "In defense of food" by Pollan.  I think he is a bit of a liberal Dbag, but the book seems to be on the mark for the most part.

239

The day after tomorrow on Ace: What to do when your 'package' is damaged during shipping (and handling)

But mostly handling.

240

Charlie Brown: Read the book and watch the video. They are more than adequately annotated.

No need for prickishness.

241 Tomorrow on Ace:  Women Leaving Men for Women Who Are Leaving Men.

242 Contrary to popular belief, exercise, as people understand it today, really doesn't burn that many calories<<< 800-1000 calories. One hour. Every. Saturday. The other two days a week are weights, but the benefit is that it cranks your metabolism for longer while building muscle. I've been a sloppy bitch. I KNOW what it takes to burn fat. Fuck a scale. You'd never guess I am 210 lbs. . 

243

Posted by: runningrn at April 20, 2011 04:29 PM (ihSHD)

 

Also, what many people don't understand about the "pot belly" is that much of the fat causing that appearance is not under the skin, but behind the abdominal muscles snuggled next to the intestines.  It's called the omentum.  And it can be huge as I learned cutting autopsies for school money.  Plus the fat of that omentum is the hardest to lose by whatever method of diet one chooses.

244 Eat Soylent Green, no sugar and remember:  You are were what you eat!

Posted by: Speller

 

FIFY

245 lauren: "I had no idea that your body could differentiate between types of carbs. I thought a carb is a carb."

"Carb" is a shortcut terminology. Carbohydrates can be of variably-lengthed carbon chains with extensive three-dimensionality. We have various enzymes (3D proteins themselves) that must be able to bind (fit like lock-n-key) and cleave those carbohydrates down, and there is variability in the metabolic pathways to achieve that binding/cleaving. Some pathways are more efficient than others. The body differentiates, so to speak, due to the enzymatic capabilities of different organs and constituent cells.

246 If I got Kim Chi for dinner, I would be seriously thin, too. That shit is fit for no animal to consume, let alone human. My dog wouldn't even piss on it.

247

I think High Fructose Corn Syrup is the devil.

Life expentency has only gone up 7 years since it was introduced.

248 Won't the vegetarians taste better after the Apocalypse?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 20, 2011 04:38 PM (qIHlG)

Interesting theory. Would that be along the lines of grain fed beef?

249 Mexican Coke?

250 you can get still cane sugar Dr. Pepper from the Dublin TX Dr. Pepper bottler. best at 10, 2, & 4.

251 Any pro and amatueur bodybuilder will tell you, (and these people are the experts), that diet is 75% of their regimen. The rest is weight-resistance training and cardio.

Don't forget the diuretics.

252 I'm waiting for bilal to weigh in on this important topic.

253 Tomorrow on Ace:  Women Leaving Men for Women Who Are Leaving Men.

Posted by: mpfs

Where does that leave us?

254 Word of the day: Moderation

Anything is bad for you if you overindulge (including excercise.)

255 258 Word of the day: Moderation

Sometimes, moderation needs to be taken in moderation. 

256

It's an excellent cleaning agent for corroded car battery terminals.

And it's good for cleaning love bugs from the front of your car.

257

 Don't listen to runningrn. She's a giant fatass. Probably from all the exercise.

Aw geez, Jeff!  Why don't you  just tell everybody who I really am?  A 400 lb., unemployed truck driver with a face that resembles Helen Thomas except I'm a white man. 

258 Too bad good diet doesn't stop you from fatally slipping on an icy sidewalk.

259 Tomorrow on Ace:  How to Disguise That Goiter.

260 I don't see why our great leader doesn't just outlaw all the foods we currently eat and have Purina create some kind of People Chow. Dogs routinely live into the triple digits (modified for species) on their stuff.

Posted by: Splinterhead at April 20, 2011 04:39 PM (MFBDm)

 

.....or solent green.

261 BTW the "Soylent" in Soylent Green (the original story) came from combining soy and lentil.  Had nothing to do with cannibalism.

262 What time do the british pansies get to the library?

263 - a Goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaurus. Like me.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 20, 2011 03:49 PM (Y0wFY)

Jeff, I think you have exercise mixed up with Red Man chewing tobacco.

264

"Also, what many people don't understand about the "pot belly" is that much of the fat causing that appearance is not under the skin, but behind the abdominal muscles snuggled next to the intestines.  It's called the omentum.  And it can be huge as I learned cutting autopsies for school money.  Plus the fat of that omentum is the hardest to lose by whatever method of diet one chooses."

 

Thanks Soona. Between Omentum and Obama I think I am completely fucked.

265 I'm sick of condescending do gooders fucking around with what I eat...I hope there's a special circle of hell reserved just for them.

266

Don't forget the diuretics.

 

Or the laxatives, HGH and roids.

267 Don't listen to runningrn. She's a giant fatass. Probably from all the exercise.

Aw geez, Jeff!  Why don't you  just tell everybody who I really am?  A 400 lb., unemployed truck driver with a face that resembles Helen Thomas except I'm a white man. 

Posted by: runningrn

 

Hah! Jeff pay up! You owe me $5.

( I am sooo going to be in trouble now)

268 Too much moderation is a bad thing.

269

I'm sick of condescending do gooders fucking around with what I eat...I hope there's a special circle of hell reserved just for them.

THIS!!!

270 255 Any pro and amatueur bodybuilder will tell you, (and these people are the experts), that diet is 75% of their regimen. The rest is weight-resistance training and cardio.

Don't forget the diuretics.

Posted by: CUS at April 20, 2011 04:40 PM (wOGfT)

Or the topically applied Prep H to really make the muscle definition "pop"!

 

Why are 90% of the ads in the local "Health & Fitness" magazine for cosmetic surgery and dental work?

271

Aw geez, Jeff!  Why don't you  just tell everybody who I really am?  A 400 lb., unemployed truck driver with a face that resembles Helen Thomas except I'm a white man. 

Posted by: runningrn at April 20, 2011 04:42 PM (ihSHD)

Heh, you couldn't tip 400 lbs. if there were 6 of you. Now go eat some cheezeewiz

272 Bastard! He's always one step ahead of me.

273 Posted by: Gabriel Syme at April 20, 2011 04:39 PM (g84Si)

Climb down off your pompous high horse and I'll be less prickish. Unsupported statements and acts about a complex system such as human metabolism is what has gotten this country into its obesity mess.

274

Most Hispanic markets carry the Mexican coke/pepsi.
There's one about a block from me.

275 Forget sugar. By the end of our 2nd term we'll have you wignut mouthbreathers eating cardboard and lentil sammiches.

Posted by: Barry and Mookie Obama at April 20, 2011 04:43 PM (vbh31)

You mean there are folks out there eating something else?

276

The other two days a week are weights, but the benefit is that it cranks your metabolism for longer while building muscle.

 

Lean muscle mass burns calories at rest.  It increases your basal metabolic rate.

277

People have been eating fruit sugar for MILLIONS OF YEARS!!!

Not at our current rates of consumption. Hence the issue discussed.

278 And hey, don't forget Pepsi Throwback and 125th-anniversary Dr. Pepper made with real sugar.

279 I can't go a month on a low-fat diet of fewer than 2500 calories a day, because I'm starving the whole time.

LOL, I shoot for < 2000 calories per day. Miss it some times but generally that's what I hit. I'll lose weight in the non-Winter months because I do get more exercise. And yes, since I quit smoking I am hungry all the time.

Tell that to my dad. He took up mountain running when he was 68 because he was tired of having to get a physical every year to keep his pilot's license.

I take it he is running on dirt and not the road. But regardless, the sports Drs don't recommend jogging when you get older. Fast walking is just about as good. The real key is to get your heart rate up.

The study I read broke it down into slow (1-1.5 mph) medium (2-3 mph) and fast (3-4 mph).

The plan I follow was from the Mayo Clinic. I do two miles and shoot for 30 min or less.

280 So that makes you four inches Jeff? I, umm... prefer the metric system.

281 193 Put the Coke back in Coke.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 20, 2011 04:29 PM (qIHlG)

And use. The lotion. With. The motion.

IYKWIMAITYD

282

Heh, you couldn't tip 400 lbs. if there were 6 of you. Now go eat some cheezeewiz

 

I'm bigger than I look!  (Or at least I think I am taller than I am!)

It was great to meet you last Friday, robtr!  And to think, you live just down the street from us!

283 Pepsi Throwback is disappearing locally.

284

I think High Fructose Corn Syrup is the devil.

Life expentency has only gone up 7 years since it was introduced.

It doesn't burn off with exercise and sugar does, but HFCS is cheaper so that's what is added to processed food.

Do a quick search and you'll see.

285 The local Kroger (Indianapolis) still has lots of 12-packs of Throwback.

286

It was great to meet you last Friday, robtr!  And to think, you live just down the street from us!

Posted by: runningrn at April 20, 2011 04:47 PM (ihSHD)

You too it was fun. We will do it again soon I am sure.

287 Why are 90% of the ads in the local "Health & Fitness" magazine for cosmetic surgery and dental work?

Superficiality.  (is that a word).

All is vanity.  That and the first place girls lose fat is in their boobs, so they go get fake ones.

BTW:  Did you know there's fake boobs for men?  Designed to look like pecs?  And fake calf 'muscles'?

288 The low-fat, high carb diet that most of you are on is terrific. By terrific, I mean it has been very good for my side business of retrofitting rascal scooters with heavy-duty suspensions and dual oxygen tank holders.

289 Posted by: Vic at April 20, 2011 04:46 PM (M9Ie6)

Dad mostly trains in the city and runs his big races in the boonies, so, both. You should see him in those lycra tights and tshirt. Scary for an old guy.

Rules don't always apply, and that's why government rules about diet and exercise are going to be just plain crap.

290

Why are 90% of the ads in the local "Health & Fitness" magazine for cosmetic surgery and dental work?

I dunno, but all those 'muscle' magazines are crap. Everything in them is crap.

291 254 you can get still cane sugar Dr. Pepper from the Dublin TX Dr. Pepper bottler. best at 10, 2, & 4.

I was in the crawl space of my house a few years ago putting in new cables for the tv and found an old Dr Pepper can that looked like it was from the 50's or older. It had a stick figure guy on it urging people to try Dr Pepper hot.

292 Mmm. Cardboard and lentil.

293

They've done just about everything with bacon.

Now they just need to weaponize it. _{(We are currently in a war, btw...)}

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 20, 2011 04:28 PM (QMtmy)

 

An idea whos time has come, for the wars with Muslims.

294 People have been eating fruit sugar for MILLIONS OF YEARS!!! Please. Look outside your window. Do you see any fruit trees with fruit on them? Were there ever fruit trees in your area that had fruit on them today, April 20th, when you got hungry?

295 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 20, 2011 04:39 PM (FI38b)

That's the advantage of exercise that some of the simpletons up-thread don't understand. Yes, you burn calories during exercise, but you also build muscle and increase the metabolic requirements of your body. Because muscle at rest uses more energy than fat at rest, your baseline caloric demands increase. And regular exercise resets the thermostat of your body, increasing the baseline again. It's like magic.

296 I dunno, but all those 'muscle' magazines are crap. Everything in them is crap.
Not everything.

297

They've done just about everything with bacon.

Now they just need to weaponize it. _{(We are currently in a war, btw...)}

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 20, 2011 04:28 PM (QMtmy)

 

An idea whos time has come, for the wars with Muslims.

 

 

Bacon Grease NAPALM and BACON BOMBS

298 Hey, that's right, today is 4/20. Woohoo!

299
"10 Steps To Get Summer Abs"

"Killer Chest Workout"

"Legs & Butt Routine For the Bikini"

300 Tomorrow on Ace:  Anteater or Helmet Head? - The Debate Rages On!

301 All is vanity.  That and the first place girls lose fat is in their boobs, so they go get fake ones.

Posted by: CUS at April 20, 2011 04:48 PM (wOGfT)

Bull. My 42 D's  haven't changed one iota from 110 lbs to 170 lbs, and frankly, that's disturbing.

302
2 Atkins is bollocks.  The solution is to get off your fat ass and exercise.

All exercise does is make you hungry. If you reduce the amount of intake, you'll lose weight even without exercise. And, if you exercise and fail to control your intake, you'll maintain your weight, or actually increase it.

Also, I'm losing weight just by eating less and more proteins and fewer carbs/sugars.

303 Please. Look outside your window. Do you see any fruit trees with fruit on them? Were there ever fruit trees in your area that had fruit on them today, April 20th, when you got hungry?

Posted by: t-bird at April 20, 2011 04:49 PM (FcR7P)

You do know that back when we didn't have access to fruit year around we lived to be about 45 don't you?

304

My 42 D's  haven't changed one iota from 110 lbs to 170 lbs, and frankly, that's disturbing.

Yes, a 42-inch ribcage on someone who weighs 110 would be.

305

 It had a stick figure guy on it urging people to try Dr Pepper hot.

Had a friend of mine whose granny would make that for us. Hot, with a slice of either lemon or orange, I forget which.

Awfully good in the wintertime, but that was back in the early '70's. I think they still used sugar in it then, but I'm not sure of that either.

306 You mean bacon SMART bombs.

307

Tomorrow on Ace: Turning vice into virtue; that cheese puff dust can be your spring tan base!

308 All is vanity.  That and the first place girls lose fat is in their boobs, so they go get fake ones.

Posted by: CUS at April 20, 2011 04:48 PM (wOGfT)

Bull. My 42 D's  haven't changed one iota from 110 lbs to 170 lbs, and frankly, that's disturbing.

Fructose or sugar / fake boobs or real... who cares I'm in either combo works for me. 

309

I lift beer up and put it down.

 

310 "People have been eating fruit sugar for MILLIONS OF YEARS!!!" Yes, but they were eating it with a ton of fiber and water and vitamins that are also found in the fruit. Fruit sugar wasn't isolated like it is now.

311 OT: Breaking via Twitter: Government Accountability Board confirms JoAnne Kloppenburg has filed for a statewide recount.

This is the judge candidate in WI.

Hopefully the fix isn't in and she's just wasting tax dollars.

312
haha @ simpletons

it's funny because the words you and Jeff are looking for are anabolic and catabolic.

313 "
That's the advantage of exercise that some of the simpletons up-thread don't understand."

Well, I have understood that quite well for a very long time, and yet I still read an increasing number of articles that talk about the evidence for the assertion that exercise leads to weight loss.  Apparently there is somewhat of a paucity of compelling data on the subject.  But as I said, I exercise anyway, because it has other benefits.

314 And the grocery stores here carry Pepsi, Coke, Mountain Dew and Sprite from the bottlers in Mexico that use real sugar, they cost $1.15 each though.

315

How many calories, Charlie? And after the magic happens, how many additional calories on average will the average person consume to offset the increase in base metabolism?

There is no magic. Exercise is the smaller portion of the weight loss equation.

316 BTW:  Did you know there's fake boobs for men?  Designed to look like pecs?  And fake calf 'muscles'?

I didn't know that.

Decisions decisions fake pecs or a Barrett 107A1?

I'm getting the Barrett.

317 I knew about calf implants, but fake moobs?  That's just wrong.

318 316

I lift beer up and put it down.

mmmm...

319

Yes, a 42-inch ribcage on someone who weighs 110 would be.

Posted by: meekrob at April 20, 2011 04:52 PM (cFF/w)

Was 38 then, but still D. So, go figure. It ain't the boobs that disappear.

320 Bull. My 42 D's  haven't changed one iota from 110 lbs to 170 lbs, and frankly, that's disturbing.

I'll go yell at every women I've ever seen complain about this--why they have to keep three sizes of bras.  "I can't go on a diet, then I'll go back to an A cup."

I'm sure you are well liked by the womens </sarc>.

321 The plan I follow was from the Mayo Clinic. I do two miles and shoot for 30 min or less.

Posted by: Vic at April 20, 2011 04:46 PM (M9Ie6)

 

Yeah.  That's about right.  Twenty minutes to get the heart rate up and ten minutes to maintain it.

322

I take it he is running on dirt and not the road. But regardless, the sports Drs don't recommend jogging when you get older. Fast walking is just about as good. The real key is to get your heart rate up.

 

Doctors, schmocters.  Tell that to Sister Madonna Buder, Ironman competitor and nun, who didn't start running til she was 48 years old:

on August 30, 2009, Sister Madonna completed Ironman Canada (Penticton, British Columbia) in a time of 16:54:30. This accomplishment broke her own record of being the oldest female to complete the Ironman distance at 79 years old. In fact the Iron Man organization has had to add new age brackets as the nun gets older!  Unfortunately, although Sister Madonna started the 2010 Ironman Canada competition at the age of 80 she was unable to complete the course due to a wetsuit issue. She has registered for the 2011 Ironman Canada competition and is still active. She is an avid athlete participating in numerous marathons and triathlons in addition to being a senior Olympian. She holds several records in various distances 

Tell that to Ed Whitlock who was the first person over 70 to run a marathon under 3 hours (2:59) in 2003 and then went on to run "his best time, 2:54:48 at age 73, the world record for men 70 to 74; if age-graded this time is equivalent to a 20-year-old running 2:03.57.

"On September 26, 2010, Whitlock ran the Toronto Waterfront Half Marathon in 1:34:23.4.

After turning 80, Whitlock improved the Marathon world record for his age category with almost 15 minutes to 3:25:43 at the 2011 Rotterdam Marathon on April 10, 2011.

Whitlock also competes on the track, he currently (2009) holds 12 world age group records ranging in distances from 1500m to 10,000m and age groups 65+, 70+ and 75+."

323
for decades surgeons have been cutting up weiners making them into fake vaginas and pec implants surprise you?

324 How many iotas are in a pair of 42D's?

325 Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 20, 2011 04:53 PM (uFokq)

Actually no, I wasn't looking for those words. But please, go right ahead with your jargon.

326 You do know that back when we didn't have access to fruit year around we lived to be about 45 don't you? That's average life expectancy. If you made it thru the broken bones and infections of childhood, warrior-hood, and your tribe kept on winning, you'd live to a normal age.

327 This week on AoStyle:  Hump piercing; how much pus is too much?

328

BTW:  Did you know there's fake boobs for men?  Designed to look like pecs?  And fake calf 'muscles'

 

There are also silicone "six-pack abs" implants too.

329 The only easy calories to lose are the ones you don't stuff down your word hole.

330 Catabolic?

331 it's funny because the words you and Jeff are looking for are anabolic and catabolic. No, I'm pretty sure those words are "Jeff's balls" and "soothsayer's manpleaser."

332 1) Diet is religion, and therefore the discussion is 99% wasted.

For the other 1%:

A) The Dreaded High-Fructose Corn Syrup is 55% fructose. The World Savior Cane Sugar in your "throwback" sodas is 50% fructose.

B) You can't catch diabetes from soda.

C) Search for junk food science blog. It has references.

D) Other than that, don't believe internet posters on medicine. Including me.

333

for decades surgeons have been cutting up weiners making them into fake vaginas

Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 20, 2011 04:56 PM (uFokq)

OWOWOW!!!

Why did you have to go and do that?

334

do all you want, however you want...heck, justify it however you would like, while you are at it.

Your Genetic Lottery Ticket has more to do with it than any of the nonsense put forth on this thread.

335 Posted by: Gabriel Syme at April 20, 2011 04:53 PM (g84Si)

You are confused. A rational long-term exercise program will help most people to lose weight. If some of those people use it as an excuse to eat even more, and offset the weight loss from exercise? Well, that's not the issue.

336 The only easy calories to lose are the ones you don't stuff down your word hole.

Posted by: sifty at April 20, 2011 04:58 PM (+cmP9)

The best exercise is the push-aways.  Push-away from the table after one plate.

337

People have been eating fruit sugar for MILLIONS OF YEARS!!!

But not lots of it, every day of the year, washed down with juice and followed with a bunch of carbs.

I feel so much better and have so much more energy with very little carbs. Do I miss them? Yeh. But I love feeling better, so it's worth it. If you aren't having problems, then I don't know if it would be worth. We don't know enough to be sure.

I haven't lost as much weight as I'd like, but I look so different. I looked at my military ID today and my face doesn't even look like it belongs to the same person.

338

 But as I said, I exercise anyway, because it has other benefits.

 

Yeah, me too.

339

If any of you are ever in a situation where you would have to cannibalize me, IÂ’d like to note that youÂ’ll find the prime cuts of Meanie to be in the lower back.  My shoulders are rather muscular, so slow cooking would render them quite tasty.  DonÂ’t bother with the liver, and I think my pancreas and gall bladder are pretty much spent.  Everything else can be rendered into sausage. 

340 Posted by: runningrn at April 20, 2011 04:56 PM (ihSHD)

Sounds pretty much like my dad. He even has groupies who call him asking for running tips and advice. Groupies in their 30's. Mom thinks it's cute. Of course, she does the walking group while the guys go running, so she is looking pretty good for 80, too.

We should be so lucky.

341 #301 I've filled buckets of blackberries when I was a kid by the end of April if that counts. That was in South Louisiana so no, no apple trees,

342 "Also, it should be mentioned, people have been eating Fructose for about as long as man has been, well, eating,"

No, you don't understand.  People were eating fructose with fiber.  Like if you grab a sugar cane and eat it, you just ate a stick.

We actually did not evolve eating this purified sweet food that is empty of raw material like fiber, and it's proven that our body does not process that in a good way.  It clogs your arteries and makes your ass big.

Watch the video.  The reason he's talking about fructose is not because it's worse than other sugars, but because many compare HFCS to regular sugar in a fruit, which is true as long as you ignore the rest of the fruit.  In that sense, sure, fructose from an Apple is just like HFCS, but it will kill you.

Yes, exercise and moderate diet are the real keys to a healthy life, but there is reason Atkins works for losing weight.  Understanding that is not a good reason to practice Atkins, but once you understand it, you will eat more fiber, and not eat so much pure sweet crap.

343

And breast implants for your curvy lady tattoos.

Also, horns for your head implants.

344

"That's average life expectancy. If you made it thru the broken bones and infections of childhood, warrior-hood, and your tribe kept on winning, you'd live to a normal age."

 

This is true. Also true, you would be one skinny arthretic toothless old fuck gumming your dinner and cackling like a hen if someone threw you a bone to gnaw on. Good times.

345 I've had enough.  Off to the gym.  Bench and shoulders today.

And a nice rib roast afterwards. 

346 Posted by: runningrn at April 20, 2011 04:56 PM (ihSHD)

Yes, but how many joint issues/problems have they had?

Yes you can still jog and run above 40, but you have to be very very careful The older you get the more likely joint damage is to occur.

347 I think it's lack of oxygen that makes you fat...your body needs oxygen to burn fat and the do gooders are taking more than their fair share...

348

 A rational long-term exercise program will help most people to lose weight.

I don't argue that point. I am saying that exercise is the smaller end of the wedge. Proper diet will have a much larger impact for "most people" trying to lose weight. The body is brilliantly adaptable, and in "most people" it adapts to increased caloric demands by...wait for it...demanding increased calories.

349

Yes, you burn calories during exercise, but you also build muscle and increase the metabolic requirements of your body. Because muscle at rest uses more energy than fat at rest, your baseline caloric demands increase. And regular exercise resets the thermostat of your body, increasing the baseline again.

I also eat less when I'm exercising more. Something to do with the fact that I'm exercising instead of eating. And not eating as much when I'm tired because I exercised. Plus the emotional feeling of "I'm exercising and wannna loose weight, so I'm not going to fuck it up by eating back all the calories I burned."

Gotta run...tho' not literally...

350 Yes you can still jog and run above 40, but you have to be very very careful The older you get the more likely joint damage is to occur.

Posted by: Vic at April 20, 2011 05:02 PM (M9Ie6)

This is true if you are going to get joint problems, period. For those of us who aren't, it just isn't an issue.

Mostly depends on genetics.

Nobody in my family is going to win any races on speed, but given enough distance we can all do very well, thank you. That's the same genetics that means we might have kidney stones but our joints and bones are just fine. And, like my dad, by the time we hit 80 or so, we can will all of the races, all of the time.

351 I applaud each and every one who spelled "lose" correctly on this post.  Nothing gets my ginormous fat ass chapped faster than having to wade through a bunch of "loose" miswordings.  Kudos!

352

It is absolute nonsense.  Monosaccharides (the common ones in the diet are glucose, fructose, and galactose, either aldosugars or ketosugars) are all converted upon absorption by the biochemical factories of your body known as cells into glucose.  Glucose is the major fuel of the body.

Not having enough glucose forces the liver metabolism to get creative to synthesize it via alternate pathways because guess what?  The brain only uses glucose and it uses a lot of it, all the time.  Severe hypoglycemia equals unconsciousness, coma, and death.  If the body has to get too creative to make glucose, primarily from fat stores, large amounts of organic acids called ketone bodies spill into the blood, causing a potential fatal acid/base imbalance.

The signature characteristic of your body metabolism is flexibility--it was a significant evolutionary advantage because it meant that early humans could subsist on widely varying foods, which probably varied from day to day.  People get by on dramatically different diets--Inuit eat tremendous amounts of fish protein, southeast Asians consume tremendous amounts of plant carbohydrate, yet neither group is unhealthy. 

Bottom line is it is best to remember the rule of moderation-- eat sensibly and let your remarkable metabolism do the rest.  Just don't be stupid.  Too much of anything is not good and will cause problems.  Trying to paint sugars as evil and eliminate them from the body is not only foolish, but futile.  Your body merrily converts excess fat and protein to glucose, and vice-versa. 

Same deal with vitamins, by the way--either potentially toxic (fat-soluble vitamins) or a waste of money (as you flush the excreted water-soluble vitamins, you may as well directly flush your cash).  Sensible diet, that is all.

353 First you get the sugar. Then you get the power.

354

People have been eating fruit sugar for MILLIONS OF YEARS!!!

Not at our current rates of consumption. Hence the issue discussed.

Posted by: Gabriel Syme at April 20, 2011 04:45 PM (g84Si)

Allright, egghead -- what were the primary sugar sources for homosapien sapiens for the last 200,000 years or so. Hint -- they feasted on all the fruit they could find.

355

Yes you can still jog and run above 40, but you have to be very very careful The older you get the more likely joint damage is to occur.

 

You'd be surprised how many Masters athletes (over 40 years old) that compete at a really high level still.  And yeah, you need to pay more attention to stretching and recovery, but a lot of people can still run high mileage and quality runs as they get older.  I run with (and behind!) a lot of them.  You'd be amazed to see how many 50 Staters (people who've run marathons in every state) there are who are older and retired (you almost have to be, to do all the traveling).  I know 60+ year olds who can run sub 20 minute 5k's. 

I'm not saying everyone can run like that, but there are a lot of people who can. 

356

Hint -- they feasted on all the fruit they could find.

All year round? I bet not.

In handy aluminum cans? I bet not.

Wrapped in colorful wrappers or boxes, with cute cartoon characters promoting their merits? I bet not.

Consumed? Yes. Feasted? Sure, when available. Today's quantities? Not a chance.

357
301 People have been eating fruit sugar for MILLIONS OF YEARS!!!

Please. Look outside your window. Do you see any fruit trees with fruit on them? Were there ever fruit trees in your area that had fruit on them today, April 20th, when you got hungry?

Posted by: t-bird at April 20, 2011 04:49 PM (FcR7P)

Drying fruit is an ancient technology.

And believe it or not, parts of the world are warm year-round. So warm, in fact, you can pick fresh fruit year round. Like in Africa, where humans evolved from.

358 Another thing I've learned is that young women who run marathons or otherwise exercise hard on a daily basis have a precipitous loss of estrogen production.  I've seen pap smears of women who are daily, moderate-distance joggers, and they present the same as 70 year old post-menopausal women. 

359

Hint -- they feasted on all the fruit they could find.

All year round? I bet not.

Ever hear of the tropics, dumbass?

360 They would have only had fruit for a limited time until they developed canning.

361 Attention: Large Morons My CPR qualification has long since expired. Due to liability issues, if your grease-clotted ticker gives out while I'm around, I may not attempt to resuscitate you. However, I will vigorously hump your jiggly man-titties while watching the light fade in your eyes.

362

 Hint -- they feasted on all the fruit they could find.

 

Uhh....Uh...OOhhh... the Humanity!

363 People have not been doing anything for millions of years.

364

'Another thing I've learned is that young women who run marathons or otherwise exercise hard on a daily basis have a precipitous loss of estrogen production.'

That is because of decreased leptin secretion by vastly diminished fat stores.  Leptin is permissive for the female menstrual cycle.  Doesn't make sense for the body to get pregant if it doesn't have the on-board reserves to sustain the pregnancy to completion.  Low leptin=amennorhea.  No menstrual cycle, no ovulation, no developing ovarian follicles each month=low estrogen.  And that means things like osteoporosis developing in a young woman.

365 I know a number of people over the age of 40 who jogged regularly. Jim Fixx comes to mind. Come on someone had to bring him up.

366 Pointless to argue about fruit availability. fructose corn syrup is the problem, not fruit with fructose in it.

367 "It is absolute nonsense.  Monosaccharides (the common ones in the diet are glucose, fructose, and galactose, either aldosugars or ketosugars) are all converted upon absorption by the biochemical factories of your body known as cells into glucose.  Glucose is the major fuel of the body."

So what is nonsense?  You know the video explained this too.

Sure, you've been eating fruit, but that's not the end all be all of fructose.

Eating fructose in an apple means your body has to process that apple.  It handles that in a different way from fructose without fiber.  The video is extremely well argued.  So glucose is the fuel of your body, but there's a process that gets there, and by the process we develop cholesterol.

368

Jim Fixx comes to mind.

Left Foot...Right Foot...

Left Foot...Right Foot...

Coronary Embolism!

369

 I believe Fixx had an undetected congenital heart abnormality.

Examples of well-conditioned athletes dropping dead of cardiac arrest due to these abnormalities, like extended QT, are fairly common.

 

370 Atkins was so skinny that he slipped on the ice and died.

371 Arthur Ashe?

372 Fructose is a simply six-carbon sugar.  It is a simply biochemical process to turn it into glucose.  That is what happens.  How can you possibly argue it is poison?  It doesn't build up to toxic levels, it is converted to glucose.

373 simply=simple

374 Arthur Ashe? Excess cock intake.

375 phineas, you would get your answer if you watched the freakin lecture.

376

Ever hear of the tropics, dumbass?

Granting that:

Just from HFCS (not including any other sources of dietary sugar):

40 lbs/year HFCS average consumption per person

22 lbs fructose in 40 lbs HFCS

454 grams per pound = 9,988 grams from fructose

One apple: 2.0 grams fructose = 4,994 apples equivalent

14 apples per day

You really think anyone ate 14 apples every day? If so, you're the dumbass.

I'll say it again: fructose yes, but not in today's quantities.

377
People have not been doing anything for millions of years.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at April 20, 2011 05:18 PM (qIHlG)

Hominids have. and if you check my post #361 I shortened the time span to modern humans.

378 Pointless to argue about fruit availability. fructose corn syrup is the problem, not fruit with fructose in it.

Posted by: kathleen at April 20, 2011 05:20 PM (U9C39)

 

Please.  Fructose is fructose.  Your body metabolizes it the same no matter where it comes from. 

I will ask the same question that another commentor/s said upthread.  Why is our life expectancy still rising nationally?  It's not all just good medical treatment.  And just to add to that.  I've been to many other countries and Americans are always taller and bigger boned (healthywise) than most anybody else in the world. 

Quit reading all the scare-tactic bullshit and open your eyes and look around.  Americans are pretty fucking healthy compared to most people in the world. 

379 I amend my prior statement - Diet is Religion, and heretics must be burned!

Ooga-booga!

380 Tomorrow at AoSHQ:  Guest post by Martha Stewart on the Art of Napkin Origami and Holiday Table Settings.

381 "Please.  Fructose is fructose.  Your body metabolizes it the same no matter where it comes from. "

Not true at all.  That's just medical fact.  Watch the 90 minute video.  It's very easy to understand, even though it takes forever.  The speed with which your body metabolizes something has consequences.  For example, the size of the lipids in your blood. 

seriously, eat more fiber.  If you want sugar, get it from fruit.

382 Having lost 150 lbs following the Atkins plan (high fat, low carb), I can say it works and works very well if you do it properly (Most people DO NOT).  No sugar, no gluten, lots of veggies, low glycemic fruits, no bars/shakes or processed foods, eating more calories than most other dieters.  Get to eat great things like eggs, bacon, steak, burgers (sans bun), chicken with the skin, veggies with butter, heavy cream with berries. And not be very hungry and still lose weight. 

There are lots of misconceptions about what we should eat out there.  Where do the standards for eating coming from?  The government?  Enough said.

383

This was a good discussion when it involved sugar and tits. Now it's worthless.

384

This was a good discussion when it involved sugar and tits. Now it's worthless.

Posted by: Jackhole at April 20, 2011 05:40 PM (+qHxi)

oh yeah and bacon

385 The use of scare words makes these discussions extremely obnoxious.  I mean, "toxic"?   Come on...that totally butchers normal English usage and treats your listeners like retards.  Rat poison is toxic, i.e., you drink a bit and your most likely screwed.  Cyanide is toxic for the same reason, etc.  Yeah, I'll buy that sugar has some adverse metabolic effects, esp. when consumed in high quantities over a long period of time without other nutrients to offset the negatives...but "toxic"?  Gimme a break.

And then the rub is that when you make this kind of objection to such hyperventilation, people say you're "ignoring" the facts or "denying" SCIENCE, when in face there never would've been a problem with the discussion if they've have been honest in their common language usage to begin with.

386

One apple: 2.0 grams fructose = 4,994 apples equivalent

14 apples per day

You really think anyone ate 14 apples every day? If so, you're the dumbass.

I'll say it again: fructose yes, but not in today's quantities.

Posted by: Gabriel Syme at April 20, 2011 05:28 PM (g84Si)

I just weighed an apple -- it weighed 250 grams.

Apples = 5.9 grams fructose/100 grams

One apple  = 15 grams (roughly) of fructose.

So you're already off by a factor of about seven, dumbass.

Throw in some figs, grapes, pears, bananas, kiwi fruit, raspberries, oranges, pineapples, melons and whatever else is available and 22 lbs. of fructose/year from natural sources isn't a stretch.

387 I'm willing to bet Gabriel Syme also believes coconut oil will kill you.

388 Watch the video before you comment!

389 Great... just great...  I just drank two margartias made with HFCS and Margaritaville tequila.  What was all that about moderation?  Is that like 2 but not 5?

390 "Americans are pretty fucking healthy compared to most people in the world." Not so much. When's the last time you left the country? I landed at JFK 2 weeks ago after being abroad and my first thought upon landing in America was "Everyone looks like shit!"

391 I landed at JFK 2 weeks ago after being abroad and my first thought upon landing in America was "Everyone looks like shit!"

If you were at JFK, or anywhere in NYC then you weren't seeing Americans.

392 Uh, yeah, vic, I was at the commuter flight terminal; you know, the terminal with all the midwesterners on their way home.

393 and when I got on the commuter flight plane, everyone on that plane, going to Ohio, looked twice as shitty.

394 lol stupid fatarses eating cheez thats why ur fat dick head american's

395 Dr. Barry Sears, Ph.D., lipid chemist, author of the Zone series of material, lays the data out there. Why be in doubt? Look at the data and decide for yourself. I preach not: find your own links. In my experience, you're either hungry or fat or you eat like that.

396 polynikes @348: yep, blackberries count. And they're deemed good things by low-carb, Atkins, Paleo- all of 'em that I know of.

397

I've seen the entire 90 minute video from Dr. Lustig and found it disturbingly fascinating. Even though I haven't cut soft drinks out totally......he was right about his information forever changing how I viewed HFCS and I have to agree it IS horrible stuff.

I still drink an occasional Cherry Dr Pepper, but I cut way back.

I won't drink the diet version cause that's sweetened with aspartame and I don't TOUCH that crap.

398 Throw in some figs, grapes, pears, bananas, kiwi fruit, raspberries, oranges, pineapples, melons and whatever else is available and 22 lbs. of fructose/year from natural sources isn't a stretch.

It's not 22 lbs per year, still-a-dumbass. That's just from HFCS, and doesn't include sucrose, other fruits consumed, whatever other sources.

To my point:
You are saying that our ancestors ate the same amount or more fructose than we do.
I say we eat more than they did.
You like to call strangers dumbasses.
I say that's a bad habit to get in to.
You say there once existed a place where there was never any drought, or insects, or birds or primates that competed for scarce SEAONAL fruit - even in the tropics.
I say existence was more hardscrabble than that, and that our ancestors, being smart, knew that fat and protein were better and longer lasting food sources and so only supplemented with fruit, rather than making it their dietary cornerstone, especially to the tune of 50+ pounds per year. (HFCS + sucrose + other sources).
You say that our ancestors ate so much fruit that they must have spent all their time shitting and being miserable.
I say you probably eat so much fruit that you spend all your time shitting and being miserable.

399 I read always, but comment seldom.  I went on the Atkins diet with my wife, years ago, to prove to her that there was no way it could work.  The first thing I did was buy 10 pounds of bacon, chop it up, and fry it.  (Ten pounds of bacon fits almost precisely into a one gallon Ziploc bag.)  I sat in front of the TV and ate bacon like most people eat popcorn.  I had steak and eggs at least every other day.  I ate like two pigs.  To my consternation, I lost weight.  Over about 8 months, I lost 40 pounds.  Unlike other diets, when I got hungry, I could eat something tasty, like a couple of pork chops. 
So, in spite of myself, instead of proving to her that the diet didn't work, I proved to myself that it did.

400 Mmm. Fruit feast.

401

Buford...  mmmmm a meat feast!  I'll add this.  I had the same mindset and tried a no carb diet, and though I didn't lose as much as you did, I lost 30 lbs in 6 months. 

Now I've gained a little back, but I eat few carbs, more meat.  My weakness is a beer or a cocktail.  That unneccesary input of carb/sugars makes up for eating ice cream or pizza, but I loves me a good drink...

402 Most of you morons won't realize this until it's too late but excess carbs in general and from sugars in particular, along with the plant toxins in grains and legumes, and the damage from excess Omega - 6 oils are what's killing you dummies.

Other things you'll learn just before you die:

Cholesterol doesn't cause heart disease

Saturated animal fat is your body's preferred fat

403

Okay, I'm a Ph.D. biochemist and here's my take for what it's worth (sorry if all these points have been stated upthread, but I couldn't wade(wait) through all of that to get to the end).  It is known that the liver's primary source for raw material to make fatty acids (many of which will end up as stored triglycerides; i.e. fat) is excess dietary glucose.  Your body will only store so much glucose, and it's not a lot.  For a couple of reasons, fat is a much better storage form of fuel than carbohydrate.  Your body can and very happily will take excess dietary carbohydrate and squirrel it away as fat.

 

Fructose, when metabolized in the liver, is converted into an intermediate in the process of metabolizing glucose and so in effect uses the pathway for metabolizing glucose.  The problem is that it feeds into the pathway for glucose metabolism past the major regulatory step of the pathway (phosphofructokinase-1 for all you hardcores).  To an extent, fructose metabolism in the liver (not in other tissues) proceeds somewhat unregulated.  It also occurs faster than glucose utilization because the aforementioned PFK-1 step of the glucose pathway is the bottleneck of the pathway, determining the overall rate at which glucose is broken down.  For this simple biochemical reason, fructose cannot be considered to be just the same as glucose.  The full implications of this remain unclear (the body is a very complex system).

 

Does the Atkins diet work?  Yes.  But not the same for everyone (the body is a very complex system).  It is very tempting to take individual biochemical facts and draw sweeping conclusions about the body as a whole.  The body is a very complex system (did I mention that before?).  Many other factors bear on the overall effects of such things as how much carbohydrate is in your diet.  I firmly believe that generally reducing carbs will help you to lose weight, but not everyone will see the same effects.  It's not unlike determining the behavior of CO₂ in the lab, and then going from that to New York City being underwater in 2112 (when the Elder Race will return to tear down the Temples of Syrinx).  It's too complex a system to have any confidence whatsoever in such predictions.

404 Oh, and the guys get shirts.

405 "To an extent, fructose metabolism in the liver (not in other tissues) proceeds somewhat unregulated.  It also occurs faster than glucose utilization because the aforementioned PFK-1 step of the glucose pathway is the bottleneck of the pathway, determining the overall rate at which glucose is broken down.  For this simple biochemical reason, fructose cannot be considered to be just the same as glucose.  The full implications of this remain unclear (the body is a very complex system)."

Posted by: Crimso at April 20, 2011 08:29 PM (UJYXL)

Thread winner! And about fucking time.

406 I've read Taubes' book and related literature, including dozens of medical papers. (I am a professional statistician who works with medical researchers.) I find them quite persuasive in challenging conventional beliefs about nutrition and health. Here are the main takeaways: * Cholesterol is not the culprit in heart disease. * Saturated fat is not the culprit in heart disease. * Polyunsaturated fats (like trans fats) should be avoided. * A calorie is not just a calorie: different macronutrient classes are metabolized along different pathways, and trigger different hormonal effects. In particular, fructose is quite unlike glucose. * The "diseases of civilization" (heart disease, obesity, Type 2 diabetes, cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, etc.) have arisen historically with the adoption of flour and sugar as dietary staples. * Exercise is not particularly effective for weight loss (but do it anyway for other reasons). * Calorie restriction is not effective for long term weight loss. * Further to that thought - to say that fat people are fat because they "eat too much and don't exercise enough" is as silly as saying "children grow bigger because they "eat too much and don't exercise enough." Hormones play a central role in explaining in both cases.

407 411: Yep Atkins is not equally effective for everyone.  For me it is a miracle, but while it does work for my wife it does not work anywhere near as well and it is very difficult for her to stick to it.

408 Wacko weirdo diets like the ones from hollyweirdos like JAMES CROMWELL and PAMALA ANDERSON a total dumb vegan diet thats totaly tastless and putrid

409 oh great. another food fad. whoopie. So they want the sugar crops for fuel, eh? gotcha.

410 All of the anti-carb stuff here---starting with this bit: "he makes the point that in 1982 the government admonished us to reduce fat consumption from 40% of the calories in our diets to 30%. The interesting thing is that America actually did so -- our current average fat intake did fall to 30%. At the same time, obesity and diabetes skyrocketed. So... that wasn't good advice" is rankly ignorant. (I include the biochemist's analysis, yes.) Let's start with this bit about how Americans reduced their fat intake to 30%. First, no, Americans didn't. The period in question is from 1965 to 1996. The government didn't start encouraging lower fat in 1965. Here's what happened: Americans decreased the percentage of their calories coming from fat over that period from 39 to 33 percent---while they increased total calorie and total fat consumption. To quote: "However, total calorie intake increased between 1991 and 1996. Over the same period daily total fat consumption rose from 70.9 grams (g) to 74.8 g. (Prev Med. 2001;32:245-254)" Four more grams of fat is 36 more calories. MORE fat in the diet. More meat too. Fat intake went up. At the same time, other crap---processed foods composed of simple and refined carbs, saturated fats and other fats, and protein---all increased. Calories of ALL sources went up---carb, fat, protein. Not by a far sight did Americans go on low-fat diets---and Lustig's claim that we went on low-fat diets because the relative percentage of fat in an increasing number of calories went down is included in the crap. An increasing number of fat grams in the diet, and fat in the diet, in a diet that is, overall, fat. Lustig said "the fat's going down, and the sugar's going up." Patently false. Both have gone up. The body isn't dealing with percentages when we load it up with excess calories. FAT is going up. A low-fat diet is not a reduction from 40 to 35%. A low-fat diet is 10% or so---real human needs. We don't need 40%, or 30%. We don't need anywhere near either of those. As to metabolism of fats and carbs: Fats can be deposited into the body immediately with practically no caloric expenditure--about 3% of the caloric value of the fat is used to store the fat. Carbs: First, carbs are used for energy needs, and only then is any stored; storage of carbs also costs calories, with 30% of carbohydrate calories burned to store it, and it is stored as glycogen first. It's kind of amazing that Lustig has arbitrarily selected one dietary component: HFCS. Yes, it has increased. But so has fat. He deceives with his use of percentages. He talks about how the pounds of HCFS consumed has increased. Well, so have the pounds of fat.