December 12, 2011
— Ace Hope springs eternal.
ARG, after polling 600 likely Republican caucus-goers over the weekend, reports that Gingrich has fallen to 22 percent support in Iowa, while Mitt Romney and Ron Paul are tied with 17 percent, and Perry has 13 percent support among respondents.
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Posted by: The Robot Devil at December 12, 2011 03:07 PM (DNTer)
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 12, 2011 03:08 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 12, 2011 03:09 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 03:09 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Lincolntf channeling Larry King at December 12, 2011 03:10 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: not from around here at December 12, 2011 03:11 PM (3akB4)
Posted by: observer at December 12, 2011 03:11 PM (vZqbm)
Posted by: A. Fufkin at December 12, 2011 03:12 PM (VQ0bX)
He actually wants the schools to teach prayer? I find this hard to believe. If so, it utterly disqualifies him to be President.
But I doubt he actually said that. Proof please.
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 03:12 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Jimmah at December 12, 2011 03:13 PM (TMeYE)
Posted by: tasker at December 12, 2011 03:13 PM (r2PLg)
Time will tell.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 12, 2011 03:14 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: not from around here at December 12, 2011 03:15 PM (3akB4)
Posted by: tasker at December 12, 2011 03:15 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 12, 2011 03:15 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: Chris at December 12, 2011 03:15 PM (FMjOm)
Posted by: mugiwara at December 12, 2011 03:15 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: runninrebel at December 12, 2011 03:15 PM (QiZow)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 12, 2011 03:16 PM (MMC8r)
Perry will be fine from now until ... oh
.... October 13th
when he'll flame out spectacularly.
That would not surprise me.
It will be something like Obama's 57 states....or worse.
Of course..."8 Supreme Court Justices"wasn't exactly a confidence builder either.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 12, 2011 03:17 PM (D8lbf)
Posted by: not from around here at December 12, 2011 07:15 PM
So, basically, what you wrote was bullshit.
Look, I don't like Rick Perry, but you can't just accuse him on BS grounds without proof?
Allowing students to pray whenever and wherever =/= teaching children to pray.
If, as you say, they can pray whenever they want now, then a Constitutional amendment allowing them to pray should do no additional harm.
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 03:19 PM (YiE0S)
About time.
Although when I saw that Romney was doing his (disgusting) attacks on Perry over Social Security again, I kinda wondered if Perry maybe weren't coming back again.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 12, 2011 03:19 PM (epBek)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 12, 2011 03:19 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: DCBrent at December 12, 2011 03:20 PM (zbkeA)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at December 12, 2011 03:20 PM (uVlA4)
Posted by: Herman Cain at December 12, 2011 03:21 PM (QiZow)
Posted by: tasker at December 12, 2011 03:21 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 12, 2011 03:21 PM (MMC8r)
But, geez, the words coming out of his own mouth - about the gays, the prayer stuff ...
^^ This.
The constant verbal gaffes and the debate perfromances don't make his case either. You can say that anyone can stumble like that. That's true, anyone can.
But "anyone" doesn't do it repeatedly, when they know what's coming, and when they've had weeks to prepare.
All it says is, "Hi, I'm Rick Perry and I can't think on my feet."
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 12, 2011 03:22 PM (D8lbf)
Posted by: Diane Sawyer's cough syrup at December 12, 2011 07:19 PM (PlLjX)
Say it, don't spray it...
Posted by: Diane Sawyer's xanax mixed with wine at December 12, 2011 03:22 PM (e6MoS)
Newt is a legislator. Legislators make bad Presidents. Executives make better Presidents.
Posted by: crosspatch at December 12, 2011 03:23 PM (ZbLJZ)
Posted by: Reason at December 12, 2011 03:23 PM (8s/Ek)
Posted by: not from around here at December 12, 2011 03:23 PM (3akB4)
Posted by: DCBrent at December 12, 2011 07:20 PM (zbkeA)
I dunno. I just think that treating homosexuality as if it were a genuine sexual desire that would prevent barracking is less condescending than treating it as if it were some weird fetish of no consequence.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 12, 2011 03:23 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: sonnyspats at December 12, 2011 03:25 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: Diane Sawyer's Douche bag at December 12, 2011 03:26 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: swamper at December 12, 2011 03:26 PM (D6Aty)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 12, 2011 03:27 PM (73tyQ)
I work in a public school and there is no policy to stop a kid from praying wherever and whenever they want.
ESPECIALLY during finals!
Posted by: Steven Chu at December 12, 2011 03:27 PM (nyxv/)
Crap. Now I have to go read and find out what Perry is actually planning to do.
Can't see teachers leading prayer. It would be funny to watch libs head explode at the proposal but otherwise meh.
Last productive person outta the country turn out the lights.
Posted by: AdamM at December 12, 2011 03:28 PM (bNIF9)
Iowa's that caucus horseshit, right? That makes organization a bigger deal than raw support.
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 12, 2011 03:28 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at December 12, 2011 03:28 PM (deaac)
Posted by: sonnyspats at December 12, 2011 07:25 PM (I/MzF)
It's a decent-sized bloc and Perry's the only one who made a play for them. A very clumsy and uncouth play, but a play nonetheless. It plays a big role in the caucuses, but in the last governor's election, the establishment guy crushed the evangelical candidate.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 12, 2011 03:29 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: theworldisnotenough at December 12, 2011 03:29 PM (NOFzo)
Crap. Now I have to go read and find out what Perry is actually planning to do.
Can't see teachers leading prayer. It would be funny to watch libs head explode at the proposal but otherwise meh.
Last productive person outta the country turn out the lights.
Posted by: AdamM at December 12, 2011 07:28 PM (bNIF9)
He wants it removed from the federal government and left up to state and local.
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2011 03:30 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Diane sawyers' cough syrup at December 12, 2011 03:30 PM (PlLjX)
not make them pray but allowqed to pray?
or wear a star of david or a cross, or a hajib?whatever
Posted by: willow at December 12, 2011 03:30 PM (h+qn8)
I can. In schools to which students take vouchers.
But then again, I don't believe in the doctrine of incorporation, so I say it's up to the states anyway.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 12, 2011 03:30 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at December 12, 2011 03:32 PM (h6mPj)
The next time you go for dinner please consider staying for breakfast.
...and lunch if you're hungry
Posted by: ontherocks at December 12, 2011 03:32 PM (HBqDo)
Crap. Now I have to go read and find out what Perry is actually planning to do.
One link in my name. I don't anything about the site, just was a search result that wasn't PolitiFact.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 12, 2011 03:32 PM (XdlcF)
Posted by: ace at December 12, 2011 03:32 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: newrouter at December 12, 2011 03:33 PM (xD4bD)
Bam!
Posted by: Rick Perry at December 12, 2011 03:33 PM (QiZow)
Posted by: Reason at December 12, 2011 07:23 PM
I would oppose that. And I dislike Perry already. However, where is some evidence this is what he wants. If so, I clearly missed it, or I would have dumped Perry before:
Horrible gay-baiting combined with demeaning the military service of thousands of Americans works wonders in Iowa.
Posted by: DCBrent at December 12, 2011 07:20 PM (zbkeA)
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 03:33 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: willow at December 12, 2011 03:33 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Rick "Remember the Coyote" Perry at December 12, 2011 03:33 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: swamper at December 12, 2011 03:34 PM (D6Aty)
Please cite that claim that he wants an "amendment permitting teachers to lead prayer in school."
You can't. he didn't say that. You're making it up.
Another commenter also made the same claim on this thread, and didn't offer any proof when challenged.
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 03:34 PM (YiE0S)
If he wants to put prayer "back" in public schools, what does that mean? Kids can already independently pray whenever they want
Um, you haven't been in a liberal school lately, have you.
http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Santa_Fe_Independent_School_Dist._v._Doe
And someone put me to some fucking knowledge about this Diane Sawyer thing
Posted by: imp at December 12, 2011 03:35 PM (UaxA0)
Posted by: English as second language at December 12, 2011 03:36 PM (FP6bs)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2011 03:36 PM (AF1jB)
Who knew the corpse of a feline could lunge vertically and attain such height after hitting so low?
Posted by: CAC at December 12, 2011 03:36 PM (oz5D/)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2011 03:36 PM (GZitp)
Last productive person outta the country turn out the lights.
By my calculations, that's going to happen on March 19th, 1987.
Posted by: Truman North at December 12, 2011 03:37 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2011 03:39 PM (GULKT)
“I happen to believe that should be a local decision. That’s not the Supreme Court’s decision to be telling Americans when and how they should pray.”
In an effort to appeal to Christian voters – especially in Iowa – Perry said if elected president he would travel the country making the case for a constitutional amendment to allow school prayer.
Posted by: willow at December 12, 2011 03:39 PM (h+qn8)
From my link:
In the 1962 landmark case Engel v. Vitale, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the New York school district violated studentsÂ’ First Amendment rights by requiring that they pray in the classroom prior to the start of each school day.
However, Perry takes exception to the high courtÂ’s ruling.
“I happen to believe that should be a local decision. That’s not the Supreme Court’s decision to be telling Americans when and how they should pray.”
So he wants it to be a local issue and therefore we need a Constitutional amendment. That makes my head hurt, but even if I was really against the idea, it's not like he can sign a decree his first day in office to do it.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 12, 2011 03:39 PM (XdlcF)
Perry doesn't have a campaign. He has a Kinetic Political Action.
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 12, 2011 03:39 PM (QKKT0)
In the 1962 landmark case Engel v. Vitale, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the New York school district violated studentsÂ’ First Amendment rights by requiring that they pray in the classroom prior to the start of each school day.
However, Perry takes exception to the high courtÂ’s ruling.
“I happen to believe that should be a local decision. That’s not the Supreme Court’s decision to be telling Americans when and how they should pray.”Okay, you've sold me. Perry's position is bullcrap. The Supreme Court had it right!
Students shouldn't be required to pray, not even as a "local decision". The ONLY person who should be making that decision is the student themself!
Perry sucks, dude.
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 03:39 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 12, 2011 03:40 PM (MMC8r)
wow, Romney's still afraid of Perry. That or the Romneybots have "attack Perry" written into their contracts for the pay per comment provision.
That right there is organization, thematic consistency, and multiple shills in the crowd.
Well done, campaign staffers!
Posted by: imp at December 12, 2011 03:41 PM (UaxA0)
And someone put me to some fucking knowledge about this Diane Sawyer thing
Some say she did not give the appearance of being sober while moderating the debate the other night. I can offer no opinion cuz I wasn't drunk enough to watch it.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 12, 2011 03:41 PM (XdlcF)
Her's a link stating Perry wants "organized" prayer in school.
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 12, 2011 03:41 PM (H/kgP)
She was a moderator for the debate this weekend, and was slurring her words. She appeared to be drunk.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 12, 2011 03:41 PM (SY2Kh)
Pop culture quiz: And ixnay on the wishing for more wishes. What was the movie. Hint: if you know, you have kids.
Posted by: pep at December 12, 2011 03:41 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Cornfed at December 12, 2011 03:42 PM (e32nw)
If Perry can surge enough to keep Paul to 3rd or worse, that is enough for me.
Perry's numbers nationally, within the party and amongst the general electorate, are absolutely fucking atrocious. Sub-30% approval in swing states. That collapse though has more to do with his campaign than the man himself, whose numbers were fantastic heading into his candidate announcement.
If he can figure out how magnets work, he can recover.
There is also a chance, Ace, that Christina Hendricks walks into your house and says shes leaving the stoner from SuperTroopers.
There is a category for such chances.
Posted by: CAC at December 12, 2011 03:42 PM (oz5D/)
Although the 1962 ruling did ban organized prayer in public schools, several states do allow students to pray during school hours.
Carol Greta, general counsel for the Iowa Department of Education, said children in public schools are allowed to pray. However, she said the primary issue is that school employees may not coerce or force students to pray in school.
In Texas, school systems are mandated to provide a minute of silence each morning for children to pray on their own if they so desire.
hmm the only problem i would see is if school had to be stopped to allow prayer.
is that saying this?
Posted by: willow at December 12, 2011 03:42 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 12, 2011 03:42 PM (h6mPj)
Look at Perry's polling. It's organic.
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 03:43 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 12, 2011 03:43 PM (Ho2rs)
________
Can't help but wonder if they refer to corporate headquarters as "The Castle ARG".
Posted by: Anachronda at December 12, 2011 03:43 PM (xGZ+b)
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2011 03:43 PM (KyJNR)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 12, 2011 07:41 PM (H/kgP)
You're actually trusting a post Gabe wrote as being factual and informed?
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2011 03:43 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 12, 2011 03:44 PM (AF1jB)
Posted by: notropis at December 12, 2011 03:44 PM (cjcCc)
There is also a chance, Ace, that Christina Hendricks walks into your house and says shes leaving the stoner from SuperTroopers. There is a category for such chances.
Oh, yeah, like that never happens.
Posted by: Will Folkes at December 12, 2011 03:44 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: School Prayer at December 12, 2011 03:44 PM (h6mPj)
American Research Group?
They bounce a good bit. They seem great in New England, but their record is a bit shaky outside of that region. Sort of like Quinnipiac in the mid-atlantic vs the rest of the country.
Posted by: CAC at December 12, 2011 03:44 PM (oz5D/)
This is a canard: a conservative candidate, or one who wants to sound conservative, immediately goes full retard and demands a Constitutional amendment.
It's a twofer: It convinces people who are amenable to the amendment that you're completely. fucking. serious., and also allows the vast middle to completely ignore the proclaimation, on account of, it's virtually impossible to pass even a very popular Constitutional amendment.
Of course, when the targetted constituency comes knocking about getting that amendment process fired up, the president can (correctly) say that the president can only suggest, not legislate, an amendment of this nature.
Posted by: Truman North at December 12, 2011 03:44 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: The Gamesters of Triskelion at December 12, 2011 03:44 PM (GaIwz)
I believe everything I read here.
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 12, 2011 03:45 PM (H/kgP)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at December 12, 2011 03:45 PM (MBAxd)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 12, 2011 03:45 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: andrew at December 12, 2011 03:45 PM (5PdYy)
Posted by: Mister Money at December 12, 2011 03:46 PM (wN82N)
Nah, we only do that for candidates that have a prayer of winning.
Posted by: pep at December 12, 2011 03:46 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Miss'80s at December 12, 2011 03:46 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at December 12, 2011 03:46 PM (Te1S8)
You were right. I was wrong, and Ace was wrong. There is proof to support your position. Rick Perry wants organized prayer in school.
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 03:46 PM (YiE0S)
My problem is that Perry's either being too cute by half and not 'splaining himself or his positions.
My most-favorable take on it is that he's trying to show the kind of guy he is, the way he'd want things to be, blah blah. As President, he has no control of amendments, so if you're against this one, just roll your eyes and don't worry about it.
I'm guessing he's pro apple pie, too.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 12, 2011 03:47 PM (XdlcF)
You were right. I was wrong, and Ace was wrong. There is proof to support your position. Rick Perry wants organized prayer in school.
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 07:46 PM (YiE0S)
Ok so then provide the link that Perry says he wants teachers leading prayer in school.
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2011 03:48 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Truman North at December 12, 2011 03:49 PM (I2LwF)
It's a twofer: It convinces people who are amenable to the amendment that you're completely. fucking. serious., and also allows the vast middle to completely ignore the proclaimation, on account of, it's virtually impossible to pass even a very popular Constitutional amendment.
And here we have the not-so-most-favorable take on it!
I can see grumbling about it, but to say "I would have loooovvvved Perry except for this" would be a little hard for me to understand.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 12, 2011 03:49 PM (XdlcF)
You're actually trusting a post Gabe wrote as being factual and informed?
Obviously it's the source material linked in Gabe's post that makes it believable, not Gabe's opinion itself. Fox News Sunday with Rick Perry himself doing the honors.Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 03:50 PM (YiE0S)
Then - nothing would get accomplished.
Posted by: Clarence at December 12, 2011 03:50 PM (z0HdK)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at December 12, 2011 03:50 PM (uVlA4)
As President, he has no control of amendments, so if you're against this one, just roll your eyes and don't worry about it.
I'm guessing he's pro apple pie, too.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 12, 2011 07:47 PM (XdlcF)
Besides having the Bully-pulpit and being able to go around the country and drum up support for it. Which is what he said he'd do, right along with a balanced budget amendment.
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2011 03:50 PM (GULKT)
ANY HINT that a commenter doesn't actively and excitedly condone their disgusting choices brings them flocking with cries of suppression .
Posted by: actual conservatives at December 12, 2011 03:50 PM (Zw/H7)
Well, that fries it.
First Labradors over Sheepdogs.
Now it's Apple over Blueberry.
No way. We need a true conservative.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 12, 2011 03:50 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Lord Humungus at December 12, 2011 03:51 PM (Yv6gq)
I'm not drunk. I'm retarded, wingnut. And you owe me an apology.
Posted by: Diane Sawyer at December 12, 2011 03:51 PM (QKKT0)
I just don't understand Ace on Twitter saying he prefers Mitt now for his electability. Everything says he just isn't liked period.
And I read that Savage has offered Newt 1MM to drop out of the race so Mittens can win. Because of his "Electability".
Posted by: Tendstl at December 12, 2011 03:51 PM (kb15i)
When the rest of the field is dren, and people are desperate, anything can happen.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 12, 2011 03:51 PM (oP4gk)
Posted by: ICBM/Buttplug Matrix Investigator at December 12, 2011 03:51 PM (xx2Hb)
Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2011 03:52 PM (7WJOC)
You're actually trusting a post Gabe wrote as being factual and informed?
Obviously it's the source material linked in Gabe's post that makes it believable, not Gabe's opinion itself. Fox News Sunday with Rick Perry himself doing the honors.Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 07:50 PM (YiE0S)
Nice link to CNN you have there.
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2011 03:52 PM (GULKT)
Anybody in the DC area feel a tremor yesterday? Nothing to worry about, it was only Michelle Obama helping break world record for jumping jacks , I do not denounce myself.
Posted by: Red Shirt at December 12, 2011 03:52 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: willow at December 12, 2011 03:52 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: runninrebel at December 12, 2011 03:52 PM (QiZow)
Posted by: runninrebel at December 12, 2011 07:09 PM (QiZow)
It may be true, but is it accurate?
Posted by: Mister Money at December 12, 2011 03:52 PM (wN82N)
Posted by: Ham Sandwich at December 12, 2011 03:53 PM (V6pJz)
Well, that fries it.
First Labradors over Sheepdogs.
Now it's Apple over Blueberry.
No way. We need a true conservative.
True Conservatives catalogue their favorite pies in alphabetical order. Starting with Cherry.
Posted by: Truman North at December 12, 2011 03:53 PM (I2LwF)
Ok so then provide the link that Perry says he wants teachers leading prayer in school.
He wants a 1962 Supreme Court decision which required children to pray overturned. He wants a return to organized prayer.Same difference.
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 03:53 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Rick Perry at December 12, 2011 03:53 PM (J8uGt)
What's so hard to understand about wanting Obama gone?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 12, 2011 03:53 PM (oP4gk)
Thanks for contributing. And be sure to pick up your free box of Rice-a-Roni on the way out.
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 12, 2011 03:54 PM (QKKT0)
A Mormon girl smiled at him. He folded.
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 12, 2011 03:55 PM (MMC8r)
A desperation to be right more frantic than a wet cat in a mailbox.
Just spitballin.
Posted by: sifty at December 12, 2011 03:56 PM (WsOiK)
Yeah, well, no matter what happens I'll either be staying home and not voting or voting directly for Obama. The key thing is making sure the field is clear for Sarah Palin to run in 2016. Without the Sarah there's no point in having a presidency. Besides, if Obama wins then we can impeach him. This is important, since those RINO pukes don't have the guts to impeach a RINO president, like Bushleague. So the whole strategy is to get the Democrat reelected so we can impeach him. Like the Newt did with Clinton. I liked that. It was red meat and I'm hungry. When Obama gets impeached we'll have won, or at least sent our message or whatever. I'm looking forward to that. Same holds true for the rapture.
Palin-O'Donnell, '16.
Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at December 12, 2011 03:56 PM (f8XyF)
It's one of those ten thousand dollar questions.
I explained it in my book, but that was the first edition.
Part of a 59 point plan, clearly laid out.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 12, 2011 03:56 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 12, 2011 03:56 PM (MMC8r)
Well technically she asked him if he wanted to buy some nice oak furniture, but he knew what she really meant.
Posted by: pep at December 12, 2011 03:56 PM (6TB1Z)
Ok so then provide the link that Perry says he wants teachers leading prayer in school.
He wants a 1962 Supreme Court decision which required children to pray overturned. He wants a return to organized prayer.Same difference.
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 07:53 PM (YiE0S)
Again nice link to CNN you have there dumbass. That ruling has been used as the precedent for more than just stopping required school prayer.
Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2011 03:56 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2011 03:57 PM (7WJOC)
Does not compute.
It does if you start from the assumption that Perry has fallen too far behind to be a contender. In that scenario it's a choice between Newt and Romney.
Neither are particularly conservative and they otherwise suck in their own special way, but Romney has the edge in that he's electable. Newt... not so much.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 12, 2011 03:57 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: not from around here at December 12, 2011 03:57 PM (3akB4)
Posted by: Mindy at December 12, 2011 03:57 PM (/3vIi)
......cuz I could back that one without a whole lot of research
Posted by: ontherocks at December 12, 2011 03:57 PM (HBqDo)
maybe T-Paw can comeback too...
come back T-Paw, comeback (sniffles)
good lord, i start to think this blog is regaining it's senses and then this.
Perry isn't very bright, very honest, or very conservative... let. it. go.
Posted by: shoey at December 12, 2011 03:57 PM (m6OUa)
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at December 12, 2011 03:57 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 12, 2011 03:57 PM (0yt4x)
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 12, 2011 03:59 PM (XdlcF)
Kids don't need to be brainwashed - no matter the religious shit poured into their skulls.
Posted by: Clarence at December 12, 2011 03:59 PM (z0HdK)
Posted by: Serious Cat at December 12, 2011 03:59 PM (2YIVk)
Unmentioned is the likelihood that he's had to take some pain pills, muscle relaxants. Which might explain his occasional "goofiness."
Of course, if your defense is -- I don't suck, it just seemed like I suck because of my crippling physical infirmities and the powerfully narcotic pain meds I take .... that raised other issues.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 12, 2011 04:00 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 12, 2011 07:57 PM (Ho2rs)
A troll in the mold of your favorite cat lady
Posted by: ontherocks at December 12, 2011 04:00 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: Random at December 12, 2011 04:00 PM (YiE0S)
No kidding?
I thought they removed it if you were running for president.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 12, 2011 04:01 PM (Qxe/p)
@54
Crap. Now I have to go read and find out what Perry is actually planning to do.
Can't see teachers leading prayer. It would be funny to watch libs head explode at the proposal but otherwise meh.
Last productive person outta the country turn out the lights.
Posted by: AdamM at December 12, 2011 07:28 PM (bNIF9)
When I was a kid I was a traveling military brat and in one of the schools in the south I attended there was a daily salute to the flag, then the lords prayer, in a public school. And you called the teachers "Yes Sir or Maam" , were respectful to them and your fellow students, and obeyed the rules, or got a "swat" or two.
Didn't hurt me at all.
Posted by: Mister Money at December 12, 2011 04:03 PM (wN82N)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 12, 2011 04:03 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: GMB who has killed the ONT at least 5 times. at December 12, 2011 04:04 PM (wY55N)
Posted by: ICBM/Buttplug Matrix Investigator at December 12, 2011 04:04 PM (xx2Hb)
heh. Bad sock puppeting effort.
No one in Vermont calls it "upstate." It's the northeast kingdom.
Posted by: Y-not, Vote for Rick or the puppy gets it at December 12, 2011 04:05 PM (5H6zj)
It's just so hard to get past what a monumental disaster and a disappointment his campaign has been thus far.
Posted by: runninrebel at December 12, 2011 04:05 PM (QiZow)
because I don't like (steevy) - some punk who spits out the same diseased shit every 10 minutes?
I have seen parrots with larger vocabularies.
"steevy" is a fucking moron.
Posted by: Clarence at December 12, 2011 04:05 PM (z0HdK)
Besides having the Bully-pulpit and being able to go around the country and drum up support for it. Which is what he said he'd do, right along with a balanced budget amendment.
Yeh, still a million times better than Obama going around bully-pulpit-ing about health care "reform". Plus, he might just be too busy cleaning up messes in D.C. to get around to it.
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 12, 2011 04:05 PM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Lord Humungus at December 12, 2011 04:07 PM (Yv6gq)
Posted by: Mindy at December 12, 2011 04:07 PM (/3vIi)
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 12, 2011 04:09 PM (XdlcF)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 12, 2011 07:53 PM (oP4gk)
Why is it people never quote everything you say?
As I finished, Romney is not liked period. Have read a few articles from our side pointing out this fact. How many elections does this guy have to lose for the "electability myth" to finally sink in? Its as if the default position is:
Newt = not electable
Mitt = solid winner
The base can't stand this guy, is it politcal pros position that no matter who wins the primary the base will automatically become enthusiastic? FTR, if Mittens wins the primary, I will phonebank and go door to door. I don't care who it is, except Paul. But I know many that won't be enthused.
Posted by: Tendstl at December 12, 2011 04:14 PM (kb15i)
Posted by: not from around here at December 12, 2011 04:14 PM (3akB4)
The homophobe/racist/whatever shit is old. Doesn't even make the meter tremble off of zero anymore.
Perry is in it until he wins or loses. I feel no desperation to be right about who wins next November.
But I will remember all the talking heads who called me names like an Irishman.
Posted by: sifty at December 12, 2011 04:15 PM (WsOiK)
Posted by: School Prayer at December 12, 2011 04:15 PM (h6mPj)
Well there you go, let's nominate Newt so you're "enthused" because that's all that matters. These are fucking politicians why anybody would be "enthused" with any of them is beyond me.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2011 04:18 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: No, I meant keep tilting at chickens -- no wait, oh dammit at December 12, 2011 04:20 PM (PxzSs)
Posted by: Enthusiasm Gap /~ at December 12, 2011 04:20 PM (h6mPj)
It used to be tradition to marry your cousin. Doesn't mean it's right just because that's how its always been done.
Posted by: not from around here at December 12, 2011 08:14 PM (3akB4)
Bad example, given that there doesn't seem to be any real downside to marrying one's cousin, pop culture opinion to the contrary.
As for the substance of you comment, shouldn't those who wish to change a traditional custom have the burden of proving that doing so will improve matters, particularly one as integral to a society as marriage?
Posted by: Grey Fox, team Solomon Kane at December 12, 2011 04:23 PM (sEvRn)
These are fucking politicians why anybody would be "enthused" with any of them is beyond me.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2011 08:18 PM (GZitp)
Well you know, those people that actually canvas and phonebank and put up signs in yards? They don't do it because they hate it.
Posted by: Tendstl at December 12, 2011 04:27 PM (kb15i)
Posted by: Chris R, red in NY-9 at December 12, 2011 04:28 PM (kPudl)
Ace,
As a default-Romney supporter I was initially hard on Perry's poor debate performances. And while of the entire field my fantasy pick is Santorum, I still default to Romney as the best practical choice.
But let me just say that if I could a push a button that would magically make Rick Perry the nominee in exchange for ending the nightmare scenario of running Gingrich in a general election: my fucking finger would broke from repeatedly stabbing that button.
Posted by: Dave at December 12, 2011 04:40 PM (SV650)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 12, 2011 04:44 PM (r4wIV)
Ace,
And I say that in full awareness of Perry's recent lapse on the 8 vs 9 Supreme Court Justices and the difficulty in recalling Sotomayora's name.
Posted by: Dave at December 12, 2011 04:45 PM (SV650)
Oh, and in completely unrelated news, many other social radicals who have been working to destroy the family unit and everything good are also big pushers of gay marriage. Just like Obama.
So I get giggles when "conservatives" hold the same position on gay marriage as Obama and fellow radicals. Tee-hee.
Posted by: Llorta at December 12, 2011 04:45 PM (qAxLS)
But all y'all "conservatives" keep believing the lie that the radical gay agenda folks are sellin' ya.
Posted by: Llorta at December 12, 2011 04:49 PM (qAxLS)
I know, right? How liberal can you be, wanting local communities to have the final say, rather than everything being micro-managed by the feds. Oh the horror!
And for those who are just oh so horrified at the thought of public schools have official prayers, because this would supposedly violate the Constitution, know that each session of Congress begins with a prayer offered by a preacher that is PAID to do so. Since the 1700s.
oh noz
Posted by: Llorta at December 12, 2011 04:54 PM (qAxLS)
Bob Dole can promise 4 solid hours of campaigning per day.
Posted by: Bob Dole! at December 12, 2011 05:04 PM (qVUxp)
Posted by: 1,000 Places to See Before You Die ePub at December 12, 2011 05:15 PM (NIv3S)
Posted by: Darth eman at December 12, 2011 05:17 PM (HUEsn)
Posted by: White RB at December 12, 2011 05:46 PM (LrLv1)
If you're desperate enough to support one of the current crop, you're desperate enough to support any of them.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 12, 2011 05:47 PM (baC5d)
Posted by: Sketching Light epub at December 12, 2011 06:07 PM (hy0BP)
Posted by: Something to Hold ePub at December 12, 2011 06:21 PM (z18f4)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at December 12, 2011 06:27 PM (HhCkU)
He'll last until Super Tuesday, March 6th.
*crosses fingers*
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at December 12, 2011 06:37 PM (GTbGH)
Ron Paul, about to hit flavor of the week and outpoll Romney.
Posted by: Entropy at December 12, 2011 06:43 PM (TLNYf)
Posted by: Entropy at December 12, 2011 06:51 PM (TLNYf)
Texas does not have a prayer thingy in it's constitution but we do have a balanced budget amendment and Perry led on that.
Posted by: The State of Texas at December 12, 2011 09:11 PM (tBMfq)
I am not clear if I totally understand the full thought pattern behind this.
Posted by: French Ducks in Venice ePub at December 12, 2011 10:38 PM (5wI0l)
Posted by: Jefferson Davis, former POTSUS at December 13, 2011 04:31 AM (7wNVI)
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