November 30, 2011
— JohnE. The Daily Caller caught up with Eric Holder to get his reaction to the growing list of members of Congress that are calling for his resignation (52 as of today). Holder's response was to demand that the Daily Caller stop publishing articles about it. Just in case you think I might be exaggerating by saying "demanded", check out this picture.
As Holder’s aide was escorting the attorney general offstage following his remarks Tuesday afternoon at the White House, a Daily Caller reporter introduced himself and shook Holder’s hand. The reporter asked him for a response to the growing chorus of federal legislators demanding his resignation.Holder stepped towards the exit, then turned around, stepped back toward the reporter, and sternly said, “You guys need to — you need to stop this. It’s not an organic thing that’s just happening. You guys are behind it.”
So, mystery solved. Audio of the exchange is below the fold.
Meanwhile, Fox News reported today that the whisteblowers that testified before Congress are seeing some retaliation from the Justice Department. More on that here.
"The only people who have been damaged from Fast and Furious, short of the obvious victims, are the people who tried to tell truth and blew the whistle," Dobyns said.Dodson was told he was toxic and could no longer work in Phoenix. With sole custody of two teenagers and under water on his house mortgage, Dodson found himself with no place to be and nowhere to go.
A supervisor suggested he'd be treated fairly at an office in South Carolina. Wanting to keep his job, protect his pension and pay the mortgage, Dodson had no other choice. He and his family now live in a small apartment, facing financial troubles, still labeled persona non grata by the very agency he carries a badge for, and regularly assaulted by leaks from "ATF sources at headquarters."
Dodson has tried to remain out of the public eye, has not filed suit and says only that he wishes to return to his work as an ATF agent.
The White House's Thanksgiving visitor log document dump produced some interesting names, including Rachel Maddow and convicted felon Robert Creamer. Doug Ross dug a little deeper into the data and found four face-to-face meetings between President Obama and Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler:
Item 1: In March of 2011, President Obama denied knowledge of 'Operation Fast and Furious' -- the Justice Department program that sent thousands of murder weapons to Mexican drug cartels.Also today: The Obama Administration has sealed all records relating to Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's murder.Item 2: According to documents obtained by the House Judiciary Committee, Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler was keenly aware of all aspects of Operation Fast and Furious as early as March 2010.
Item 3: Newly released White House Visitor Logs list Grindler as having visited the White House 40 times, but only four times with the President himself. All four meetings with the President occurred over a two-week period, between 7 May 2010 and 19 May 2010. According to The Los Angeles Times, these dates just so happened to represent the run-up to "the height of [Operation] Fast and Furious"
The Obama Administration has abruptly sealed court records containing alarming details of how Mexican drug smugglers murdered a U.S. Border patrol agent with a gun connected to a failed federal experiment that allowed firearms to be smuggled into Mexico.This means information will now be kept from the public as well as the media. Could this be a cover-up on the part of the “most transparent” administration in history? After all, the rifle used to kill the federal agent (Brian Terry) last December in Arizona’s Peck Canyon was part of the now infamous Operation Fast and Furious. Conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the disastrous scheme allowed guns to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels.
This is how innocent people behave, right?
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Posted by: Texan Economist at November 30, 2011 02:27 PM (Mr52M)
Uncle Fester seems a bit perturbed.
(Also, check out the expression on the woman behind him. That's going to be a long car ride back to Justice.)
Posted by: AMartel at November 30, 2011 02:30 PM (1Bqk7)
Posted by: kansas at November 30, 2011 02:30 PM (bcx/C)
Posted by: palerider at November 30, 2011 02:34 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: huerfano at November 30, 2011 02:35 PM (fecOD)
Posted by: Dang at November 30, 2011 02:36 PM (BbX1b)
Posted by: Oprah Winfrey's sybian at November 30, 2011 02:36 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 02:37 PM (qiOph)
Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2011 02:37 PM (MHerQ)
Posted by: mpfs, I pop in, I pop out. Too much drama!!! at November 30, 2011 02:37 PM (iYbLN)
Hey, no fair, you guys. Reporting facts.
Posted by: AMartel at November 30, 2011 02:38 PM (1Bqk7)
I do not think it means what they think it means.
Posted by: huerfano at November 30, 2011 02:39 PM (fecOD)
Vin Diesel and Stedman Graham starring in...
Fast and Furious 6: Under the Bus
Posted by: Movie Preview Guy at November 30, 2011 02:41 PM (AKEDb)
Posted by: Pecos, All Perry, all the time at November 30, 2011 02:41 PM (2Gb0y)
I don't know how old Holder is but I'm guessing I'm 15-25 years his junior.
I'm hoping that one day I'll be able to seek out his burial site and piss all over it.
Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 02:42 PM (jGDVS)
There is no one between Holder and Breuer. Either Breuer thought this whole thing up by himself or Holder and Obama are involved. Breuer is cooperating with the investigation. Holder may not have known anything about Fast and Furious, but his staff certainly thought that he did - since they sent him memos on the subject.
There is also the matter that a semi auto "AK47" in the US costs about $400 and a full auto black market AK in Mexico costs about $75. The flow of guns had to be subsidized or the Mexican Cartels would never have bought the Fast and Furious weapons.
How is that innocent mistake theory looking now Ace?
Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 02:44 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 02:45 PM (nRTou)
Don't Tell anyone a Federal Agent is Dead
Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2011 02:45 PM (MHerQ)
Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2011 02:45 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2011 02:46 PM (npr0X)
Erik W.
I'm 63 so won't be around to piss on Holder's grave. Could you remember me and have a couple of extra beers for me before you go over to the dumpsite, I mean gravesite?
Posted by: kansas at November 30, 2011 02:46 PM (bcx/C)
"As a new hire to the Attorney General's office your first order is to kiss my ring and swear allegiance to me and never ask any questions of all that I do"
Posted by: WheelmanForHire at November 30, 2011 02:47 PM (l8nIR)
I'm still waiting on Ramsey Clark.
Man, that shows you how awful Holder is ... he's worse than Ramsey Clark.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 02:49 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 02:52 PM (ylhEn)
I'm still waiting on Ramsey Clark.
Man, that shows you how awful Holder is ... he's worse than Ramsey Clark.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at November 30, 2011 06:49 PM (bjRNS)
For extra AoSHQ style points, dig him him up first, and give him a face-full. Steal any valuables buried with him to fund a fit-shaced Valu-Rite binge.
Then go skin a hobo to celebrate.
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 02:52 PM (qiOph)
Posted by: Lawrence of the Labia at November 30, 2011 02:53 PM (TkTh/)
Posted by: Dan Collins at November 30, 2011 02:54 PM (IsWed)
Posted by: mpfs, I pop in, I pop out. Too much drama!!! at November 30, 2011 02:54 PM (iYbLN)
Organic? It has been my observation that affirmative action types often insert improper words.
I think the word he was searching for was "Orgasmic"...
Posted by: runningrn at November 30, 2011 02:55 PM (u/RSM)
Like I said this morning when I linked tothe DC article. He lost it.
When they are at that point they are toast. Look for him going under the bus before the and of Dec.
But I don't want him "under the bus". I want him behind bars. And if he had stuck his finger in my face like that I would have broke it.
Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2011 02:55 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: mpfs, I pop in, I pop out. Too much drama!!! at November 30, 2011 06:54 PM (iYbLN)
I think that idea was floated a few years ago. Was that by you?
Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 02:56 PM (jGDVS)
Does Eric Holder strike you as the type of person to willingly fall on the sword? Not me. I think it's more likely he takes the whole thing down with him.
Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 02:57 PM (nRTou)
(Come to think of it, I've never seen an Ewok urinate. BONUS!)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx
Does an ewok have a penis?
We all know Eric Holder doesn't have one. Like Walter Peck in Ghostbusters. "Yes this man has no dick."
Posted by: mpfs, I pop in, I pop out. Too much drama!!! at November 30, 2011 02:57 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 06:57 PM (nRTou)
That's what everyone said about the Blogovitch. Didn't happen.
Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2011 02:58 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 02:59 PM (nRTou)
That's why I think he is toast.
Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2011 03:00 PM (YdQQY)
Sometimes I suspect that I'm an asshole.
Reading about the poor plight of the ATF agent, living in an apt. Having hard times, my inside voice says fuck that mofo. I could give a shit about that government agent enforcing alcohol, tobacco, and firearms laws. He's the enemy as far as I'm concerned. Chose the wrong profession. Not as bad as DEA, which I would be laughing about, but not that good either.
I'm just a dick and can't help it. Sorry.
Posted by: Jimmah at November 30, 2011 03:01 PM (jup4s)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 30, 2011 03:01 PM (SKzd9)
I can't tell if the chick in the picture is stunned or aroused by the manly finger pointing.
She's wondering if she should pull it...
Posted by: runningrn at November 30, 2011 03:01 PM (u/RSM)
Posted by: Eric Holder at November 30, 2011 03:02 PM (AKEDb)
Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 06:59 PM (nRTou)
"Animal"? RACIST!!!!
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 03:02 PM (qiOph)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx
My estate has a Mannewoken Pis in every fountain!
Posted by: Louis XVI at November 30, 2011 03:03 PM (mIucK)
14 Organic is a very popular word with the libs, isn't it?
Have you ever noticed how specific words suddenly come into vogue with media and other liberals, and then disappear, only to be replaced by a new buzz word? "Robust," "vibrant," now "organic?"
It's almost as if they coordinated their views on a secret list or something.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 30, 2011 03:04 PM (SKzd9)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2011 03:04 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 03:04 PM (MMC8r)
Ha! I was just reading an article today about Alberto Gonzales from 2007. It was a transcript of Chuck Schumer and Newt Gingrich being interviewed together and both calling for his resignation.
Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 03:05 PM (nRTou)
Have you ever noticed how specific words suddenly come into vogue with media and other liberals, and then disappear, only to be replaced by a new buzz word? "Robust," "vibrant," now "organic?"
It's almost as if they coordinated their views on a secret list or something.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 30, 2011 07:04 PMWe'll be sitting around the kitchen table talking about Wall Street and Main Street but we'll have our boots on the ground, kicking the can down the road.
Posted by: the MSM at November 30, 2011 03:06 PM (fecOD)
Nobody sends an 4 star Admiral to do a Lt.Commander's job - which is the equivalent of the US Attorney's position at the Phoenix Field Office of the ATF - unless that Lt. Commander's unit is doing something terribly important.
Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 03:06 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 30, 2011 03:07 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: lmekdahl at November 30, 2011 03:09 PM (zgB7e)
14 Organic is a very popular word with the libs, isn't it?
Have you ever noticed how specific words suddenly come into vogue with media and other liberals, and then disappear, only to be replaced by a new buzz word? "Robust," "vibrant," now "organic?"
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So his assumption is that there are no laws he can break, unless a grassroot effort says he broke it? Who cares who is calling for his resignation. He's a criminal.
Posted by: Jimmah at November 30, 2011 03:10 PM (jup4s)
Posted by: palerider at November 30, 2011 03:10 PM (dkExz)
Is there some Fed primacy rule in play?
I would think that if local authorities caught a Fed agent performing an illegal act under state law, they could prosecute, right?
If not, would the Feds have to say there actions were official acts and therefore they had immunity??
Or, hope against hope, a Federal Mexican indictment? OMG, that would be hot!
Posted by: Ducatisti at November 30, 2011 03:14 PM (KYE7u)
Oganic? As in Volatile Organic Compounds? High vapor pressure, low boiling point?
research into VOCs and their effects is difficult. wiki.
This is indeed beginning to boil. Holder needs to Occupy Prison.
Posted by: Cicerokid at November 30, 2011 03:16 PM (GM96x)
He is doing surprisingly well in Florida.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 30, 2011 03:16 PM (pMrYf)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2011 03:17 PM (npr0X)
Posted by: real joe at November 30, 2011 03:17 PM (w7Lv+)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 30, 2011 03:17 PM (SKzd9)
Posted by: Ducatisti at November 30, 2011 07:14 PM
All the Federales say, we could have had him any day.
We only let him slip away out of kindness, I suppose.
Posted by: Pancho and Lefty at November 30, 2011 03:18 PM (fecOD)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 03:21 PM (MMC8r)
PHOTOSHOP AHEAD:
http://tinyurl.com/88quzwm
Posted by: WheelmanForHire at November 30, 2011 03:22 PM (l8nIR)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 03:22 PM (eCnLg)
It would be interesting to see a suit for wrongful death campaigned for by the dead agent's family.
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 07:21 PM (MMC8r)
Can one sue the Federal Gubmint?
Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 03:24 PM (jGDVS)
Posted by: Marie at November 30, 2011 03:24 PM (P9OJs)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 03:25 PM (MMC8r)
Since you sound pretty young, remind me never to piss you off
Plus, he can drink a whole six-pack before he has to go.
Posted by: ErikW's bladder at November 30, 2011 03:25 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: real joe at November 30, 2011 07:17 PM (w7Lv+)
I believe the official Ace of Spades party line is: Nothing to see here, move along.
Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 03:26 PM (ylhEn)
Can one sue the Federal Gubmint?
Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 07:24 PM (jGDVS)
Are you a minority? Undocumented "worker" maybe? Step into my parlor....
Posted by: The Association formerly known as ACORN at November 30, 2011 03:28 PM (/izg2)
Posted by: observer at November 30, 2011 03:31 PM (FCq0g)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 03:31 PM (MMC8r)
Fuck you President Cockknuckles and Attorney General Dicklock.
Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2011 03:31 PM (P1nni)
Posted by: Wink Martindale at November 30, 2011 03:32 PM (uuXjC)
Since you sound pretty young, remind me never to piss you off
Plus, he can drink a whole six-pack before he has to go.
Yeah, yeah, get off your fucking lawn, I know.
Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 03:33 PM (jGDVS)
Conducting activism and demanding answers from Holder serves a purpose. Sitting here needling the site hosts, not so much.
Posted by: Zimriel at November 30, 2011 03:33 PM (6GvAC)
Can one sue the Federal Gubmint?
Is one black? Has one ever farmed? Has one ever thought about farming?
Posted by: Sherrod at November 30, 2011 03:34 PM (GM96x)
I think Ace is just brutally allergenic to conspiracy theories and avoids buying into them at all costs.
I, on the other hand, believe the sole purpose of this operation was an attack on the second amendment and a push towards harsher gun control laws. So far, the more information that comes out, the more it looks like that was the case. Especially the head-smackingly ridiculous testimony of Dianne Feinstein during the hearing when she called for stricter gun laws because of the failure of this program.
These are all just theories so far, though.
Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 03:35 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 30, 2011 03:35 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 03:36 PM (eCnLg)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 30, 2011 03:36 PM (bxiXv)
Is Abe Vigoda going to play Fish?
________
Why not. He's still alive, isn't he? Maybe they can get Betty White to play Bernice.
Posted by: Anachronda at November 30, 2011 03:36 PM (NmR1a)
Since you sound pretty young, remind me never to piss you off
Plus, he can drink a whole six-pack before he has to go.
Yeah, yeah, get off your fucking lawn, I know.
===========================
You can walk on my lawn to get your ball, that's fine. Just stop pissing on my flower beds, please.
Posted by: grumpy old bastid at November 30, 2011 03:37 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: charlie gibson at November 30, 2011 03:37 PM (+56Bh)
Do you think I could get by with that?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 30, 2011 03:37 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 03:37 PM (eCnLg)
Posted by: real joe at November 30, 2011 07:17 PM (w7Lv+)
I believe the official Ace of Spades party line is: Nothing to see here, move along.
Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 07:26 PM (ylhEn)
Ah, the formbook. My mistake.
Posted by: real joe at November 30, 2011 03:38 PM (w7Lv+)
I suspect that his numbers will fall in the next couple / few weeks.
RCP has a graph on their front page that compares polling results for all the candidates. What's interesting is that Perry, Cain and to a lesser degree Bachmann all show a sudden rise in the polls, followed almost immediately by a sharp drop.
It looks like it's Newt's turn to climb and fall; you can see the sudden climb, the fall probably won't be long in coming.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 30, 2011 03:38 PM (SY2Kh)
This is how innocent people behave, right?
All the live long day.
Say, lookee here! What are these 700 FBI background files doing in the White House?
Whooee! Here, in the first family's private quarters on the 3rd floor of the White House, in a bookroom, are the supoenaed Rose Law firm billing records relating to Whitewater we've been looking for high and low during the past 2 years. [headslap] Golly, how did that happen?
All perfectly innocent behavior.
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 30, 2011 03:38 PM (4q5tP)
The most obvious part that this was a bungled government plan and cover-up is that the celebrity elite did exactly what they were told. I can still hear Oprah and Bono now.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 30, 2011 03:39 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 07:37 PM (eCnLg)
Now, now. You can't blame him for that traffic jam. Blame Curious for pressing her cat's nipples against the glass on the limo.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 30, 2011 03:39 PM (piMMO)
From their POV, they are always right and the only reason why the whole world doesn't agree with them is because right-wingers, via their propaganda organ Fox News, like and make shit up, and then via propaganda techniques trick half the country into believing them.
If it wasn't for the perfidy of Tucker Carlson's lie machine, we'd all be worshipping at Obama's feet right now. That is, according to them.
Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2011 03:39 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at November 30, 2011 07:35 PM (O7ksG)
You're an optomist. I like that.
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 03:40 PM (qiOph)
Fast and Furious? Never heard of it!
No kidding. Charlie, go out to the store and get me some batteries.
Posted by: Mrs Gibson at November 30, 2011 03:40 PM (4pSIn)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 03:40 PM (eCnLg)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx is channeling AllenG in the Pedantry Dept at November 30, 2011 03:40 PM (qiOph)
Posted by: no sniveling at November 30, 2011 03:41 PM (BSGjH)
So. How bad a decision would it be if, as a business person, I called out a MOH recipient and accused him of being mutually unstable and an alcoholic?
I tend to think MOH recipients kinda earn a pass for the rest of the ride, but you don't want someone to mess up your business.
Posted by: USS Diversity at November 30, 2011 03:41 PM (2sy9r)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 07:37 PM (eCnLg)
Well duh - he can piss off as many New Yorkers as he wants, the state will still vote for him by 30 points
I'm surprised he didn't take a leak on all of them from the top of the Empire State Building. "Ha ha ha enjoy that you suckas, who ya gonna vote for instead, the REPUBLICAN? HAHAHAHAH"
Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2011 03:42 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: JohnE. at November 30, 2011 06:45 PM (nRTou)
Actually it was never going to be difficult to tie Obama directly to the operation.
1. Only the POTUS can change the policy of a federal agency like the ATF - which was done in this case.
2. Because of the financial problem inherent in the operation (US prices for weapons too high to get he Cartels to buy them) there is a clear money trail which leads back to the White House and the stimulus bill - where the funds are set aside to run the operation.
Oh, I'm sorry Ace there I go offering irrefutable forensic evidence again. I denounce myself.
Nothing to see here; move along.
Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 03:42 PM (ylhEn)
The most obvious part that this was a bungled government plan and cover-up is that the celebrity elite did exactly what they were told. I can still hear Oprah and Bono now.
Hillary was out on point on the '90% of drug gang guns come from the US,' remember?
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at November 30, 2011 03:42 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: steevy at November 30, 2011 03:42 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: no sniveling at November 30, 2011 07:41 PM (BSGjH)
Just a couple guys hangin out, watchin WNBA, scratchin nuts and so on.
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at November 30, 2011 03:42 PM (qiOph)
Posted by: Hoss at November 30, 2011 03:42 PM (Cc+oi)
Maddow at the white house with Obama. Oh where does one even start with that???
Two over-rated twat waffles that don't do dick.
Posted by: fluffy at November 30, 2011 03:43 PM (4pSIn)
“You guys need to — you need to stop this. It’s not an organic thing that’s just happening. You guys are behind it.”
The Voices of Americans and Mexicans killed or wounded by weapons illegally supplied by the DOJ through the Fast and Furious program.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 30, 2011 03:44 PM (qwK3S)
Now you are starting to see the law as the Left understands it.
Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2011 03:45 PM (s7mIC)
Yeah. That's kind what I was thinking.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 30, 2011 03:45 PM (piMMO)
Arrogant selfish SOB
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2011 07:37 PM (eCnLg)
Well, NYC is the center of the universe for liberals and they get what they deserve when he comes to town.
Posted by: ErikW at November 30, 2011 03:45 PM (jGDVS)
It is surprisingly a great ad. I wish another campaign had made it.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 30, 2011 03:46 PM (d6QMz)
Dodson has tried to remain out of the public eye, has not filed suit and says only that he wishes to return to his work as an ATF agent."
Wow....that pension must be sweet. Let's see....his employer shits on him, shits on the Constitution, arms criminals, helps murder hundreds of people, including a fellow Fed, and this guy wants to STAY with them?
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 30, 2011 03:47 PM (jAqTK)
Maybe. I've always considered Newt smart, but that doesn't imply good judgement- which Newt has lacked on more than a few occasions.
Up until recently, he was largely considered an also-ran out to sell books. Once people are reminded (perhaps by other campaigns) of his history- resigning as speaker after being found guilty of ethics violations, less than conservative stances, etc- I suspect his numbers will fall some.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 30, 2011 03:47 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 30, 2011 07:46 PM (d6QMz)
yeah it is a good ad
let's hope that Luap Nor doesn't see much benefit from it
the thought of actually voting for RoN pAuL..... ugh
Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2011 03:50 PM (s7mIC)
@40: "Does Eric Holder strike you as the type of person to willingly fall on the sword? Not me. I think it's more likely he takes the whole thing down with him."
Not the best plan of action, we must say.
Posted by: Zombie Ron Brown and Zombie Vince Foster at November 30, 2011 03:50 PM (jAqTK)
yeah that's kinda what I was thinking. there aren't ANY other opportunities for him available?
Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2011 03:51 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 30, 2011 03:52 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Fritz at November 30, 2011 03:52 PM (FabC8)
Look at it from his perspective. He's got a family to feed, a pension to worry about, etc. I'm not sure the private sector is begging for employees with former ATF agent experience.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 30, 2011 03:53 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: steevy at November 30, 2011 03:53 PM (7WJOC)
So, what are the odds for Holder? Plane crash, canoe accident, Ft. Marcy Park, or something new?
Aspirin allergy?
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 30, 2011 04:05 PM (4q5tP)
Puhleeze! Whaddaya think this is? The Clinton administration?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 30, 2011 04:06 PM (piMMO)
I'm still waiting on Ramsey Clark.
I'll wait and travel to the dumpsite of Georgie Boy Soros.
Posted by: Shame The Shameless at November 30, 2011 04:10 PM (dH8nh)
So, what are the odds for Holder? Plane crash, canoe accident, Ft. Marcy Park, or something new?
Stuck acclerator in a Toyota, battery fire in a Chevy Volt, exploding tire on Ford Explorer, choking on a small game piece in a Happy Meal, shark attack whilst snorkeling, grizzly bear attack whilst on the Appalachian Trail, the possibilites are endless ...
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 30, 2011 04:14 PM (4q5tP)
Conducting activism and demanding answers from Holder serves a purpose. Sitting here needling the site hosts, not so much.
Posted by: Zimriel at November 30, 2011 07:33 PM (6GvAC)
Ah, but it is OK for Ace to say snide things about me? Which by the way he has done.
So far there is not even one shred of evidence that this was anything except what I say it was. Not one shred. I have answered every one of Ace's objections to this being the conspiracy it actually was.
If this were in doubt that would be one thing. The truth is the evidence against Anthony Weiner was a lot weaker than the evidence I have pointed out about Fast and Furious. Ace ran with the Weiner story because Weiner was a single person who screwed up. He won't run with this story because it is necessarily a conspiracy situation. Watergate was necessarily a conspiracy situation yet somehow Woodward and Burnstein ran with it.
Things which occur in the real world leave behind evidence of their occurrence because of their interactions with other real world entities. Things which did not occur have no effect, and leave behind no evidence. That is how you tell whether something is real or not. There is considerable circumstantial and forensic evidence that Fast and Furious was a conspiracy at the highest levels of government - that could only be true if that conspiracy actually existed. If it didn't exist there would be zero evidence that it did exist - that is how things work in the real world.
Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 04:19 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: Fox2! at November 30, 2011 04:33 PM (RJOgX)
Posted by: Keith Richards at November 30, 2011 04:36 PM (sA6GJ)
I have known three high ranking CIA officials - they all died of sudden onset brain tumors. Sudden onset brain tumors are pretty far down on the list of causes of death. From the military rule of thumb: once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action, that is enough to raise an eyebrow over.
Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 04:38 PM (ylhEn)
Hey, hey, DOJ!
How many Mexicans have you killed today?
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Posted by: toby928© at November 30, 2011 04:49 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: BuddyPC at November 30, 2011 04:59 PM (JjjnQ)
Posted by: Fate’s Edge ePub at November 30, 2011 05:18 PM (vaJa6)
I, on the other hand, believe the sole purpose of this operation was an attack on the second amendment and a push towards harsher gun control laws. So far, the more information that comes out, the more it looks like that was the case. Especially the head-smackingly ridiculous testimony of Dianne Feinstein during the hearing when she called for stricter gun laws because of the failure of this program.
These are all just theories so far, though.
No prosecutor ever goes into a court case with anything more than a theory- he simply tries to convince the jury that his theory is correct. He does so with evidence. Sometimes there is eye witness testimony - such as Agent Dobson has provided - sometimes there is circumstantial evidence or forensic evidence both of which have been pointed out here. When the defendants are dodging or ignoring subpoenas, stonewalling the investigation and citing the Sgt Shultz defense of "I know nuhsing" it is not a far stretch for any jury to find them guilty.
I think you are correct about Ace's reluctance to go farther.
Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 05:21 PM (ylhEn)
"Item 3: Newly released White House Visitor Logs list Grindler as having visited the White House 40 times, but only four times with the President himself."
Is Grindler an older white guy? If that couch in Reggie Love's office could talk...
Posted by: 66chevelle at November 30, 2011 05:34 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: Hedy’s Folly epub at November 30, 2011 05:53 PM (vaobd)
Posted by: Laura Castellano at November 30, 2011 05:56 PM (fuw6p)
Piss on his grave?
pfffft.
I want to mow down his apocalyptic zombie which rises up to serve in the final democrat administration let loose by the Lord after a thousand years.
Posted by: 66chevelle at November 30, 2011 05:59 PM (QjSgY)
Posted by: Pricing the Future ePub at November 30, 2011 06:11 PM (mLPSm)
@#2: "I don't understand how its possible for the Administration to seal the records. That just makes no sense.
Allowing him to do that just amounts to a title of nobility."
Kevin O'Reilly: "I know, right? I just hope the cocksucker is fired, so maybe I can come home by Christmas with the troops. This place is mondo scary"
Posted by: 66chevelle at November 30, 2011 06:17 PM (QjSgY)
So why are Holder and Obama getting a pass? POTUS and US Attorney General/ Even then, if they were Republicans they would be gone - especially if they were black Republicans. Remember, the race card only works in the media if your report card shows a D in party affiliation.
Posted by: An Observation at November 30, 2011 06:34 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: A man called Horse at November 30, 2011 06:36 PM (N/2ZI)
Thanks to Ace and the co-bloggers for more coverage on this.
I know they don't agree with my view but I'm with them on "get all the facts out there". Actually we should say truth because the left will pass of complete BS as "fact" (as in the 90% meme that started this whole thing).
Last I heard the next round of hearings is slated for 12/8.
Posted by: Scott J at November 30, 2011 07:19 PM (Ip8Ph)
Posted by: DRAW A MOHAMMED EVERY DAY at November 30, 2011 07:23 PM (tuCVl)
Posted by: December 1941 ePub at November 30, 2011 10:41 PM (5FOUx)
pdf to word transfer
Posted by: nanonu at November 30, 2011 11:02 PM (vzqIo)
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Posted by: OWSers... Not at November 30, 2011 02:27 PM (UzjcV)